1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Good morning, peepsen A. Welcome to Okay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Long Island Bunker. 3 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: Oh my fucking god, if you guys caught my live 4 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: yesterday following the fucking bombshell testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson, I 5 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: gotta tell you my jaw was on the ground for 6 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: the entire two hours. I mean, it's like, you know 7 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: a thing, right, Like, we all knew that Donald Trump 8 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: was a criminal. We all knew that Donald Trump was 9 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: a tyrant. We all knew Donald Trump functioned as a 10 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: mobster and doesn't write anything down and doesn't send emails, 11 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: and threatens people and doesn't pay people that he hires, 12 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: and we know all of these things that he used 13 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: his platform to throw other people under the bus. As 14 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: people were testifying before his impeachment a committee hearing he 15 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: was threatening them on Twitter before he was kicked off 16 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: after the insurrection, but to hear Cassidy Hutchinson tell us 17 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: exactly the ways in which Donald Trump was functioning on 18 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: the days that led up to the insurrection and the 19 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: hours that the insurrection was happening, and then what followed 20 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: was jaw dropping. This is not anything that you anticipated 21 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: hearing about the president of these United States. So let's 22 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: start off with the fact that the way that the 23 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: committee began the hearing with a picture an inside look 24 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: inside of the West Wing of the White House. And 25 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: I will tell you, as somebody who has had the 26 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: good fortune of being able to go to the West 27 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: Wing of the White House, it is much smaller than 28 00:01:55,480 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: it is actually being depicted pictorially, right. And so when 29 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: and I want to I want you all to understand 30 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: that the reason why the Committee did that is because 31 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: one of the first things that Republicans would do as 32 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: their retort, would be to say, oh, well, harpo, we 33 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: don't know this woman, who who this man like? We 34 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: don't we don't, we don't know her. She was in 35 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: the room where it happens. Her office was right in 36 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: between the Oval office, Mark Meadows's office, and the Vice 37 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: President's office. So for Donald Trump to use whatever bullshit, um, 38 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: I don't know mail t chimp fucking account that he's 39 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: using to be able to send his thoughts over social media, 40 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: he says, oh I don't know who she is. Of 41 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: course you do, Donald Trump. You know who every moderately 42 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: attractive white, young white woman is because you are a 43 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: fucking sexual predator. We know that one hundred percent. So 44 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: there is no way that you're flying on Air Force one, 45 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: in your close close quarters where there are tons of 46 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: pictures with you with her right that you're going to 47 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: say that you don't know who this person is, or 48 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: they're going to try and diminish her title. And what 49 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: she did, what Cassidy did was be able to articulate 50 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: very clearly not over state, not understate. She chose her 51 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: words very clearly right. She knew the inner workings of 52 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: this administration. She knew the inner workings of the Republican 53 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: Party because she had been on the Hill. Here's the 54 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: thing that I will say is in a side that 55 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: pisses me off, is that everyone the media wants to 56 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: talk about, oh my god, she's only twenty five. She's 57 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: only twenty five, folks. I worked on the Hill as well. 58 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: Everybody that works on the Hill, aside from the chief 59 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: of staff is usually somebody that is in their twenties. 60 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: Why because the pay is really shipped, but the access 61 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: to power makes the setup for your career moving forward 62 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: really fucking good. If you're smart and strategic, can know 63 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: how to navigate, and so it is not shocking to 64 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: hear that this young woman is working in the White House, 65 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: who is working on the hill, because if you ever 66 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: go to the Hill, you will know that a lot 67 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: of the legislative aids, the staff assistance had, all those 68 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: people are in their twenties. But let me tell you something. 69 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: The things that stood out to me as we were 70 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: taking this all in just one bombshell at a motherfucking 71 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: time was first of all, that Donald Trump and Mark 72 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: Meadows and Cippollini and all of these people knew days 73 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: before the insurrection even happened that it was going to 74 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: be dangerous. That they received right from the Capitol Police 75 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: information and intel that the people that were coming to Washington, 76 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: DC to this quote unquote stop the Steel Rally, were 77 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: coming to quas harm. That was a part of the plan. 78 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: They were the architects, and that was a strategy that 79 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: was planned b for the Trump administration, right. It was 80 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: to cause as much harm as possible. They knew that 81 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: these people were violent. The other thing that we learned 82 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: is that Donald Trump knew that the people that were 83 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: standing before him on the ellipses, which he wanted to 84 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: make sure looked full because he wanted it to be 85 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:07,679 Speaker 1: as full. I'm certain as his inauguration day is that 86 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: he was told that the people that were not going 87 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: through the metal detectors were armed with a R fifteens, knives, guns, 88 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: brass knuckles, handcuffs. I mean, these people were coming to 89 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: go to war because their president told them to go 90 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: take back their country by any means fucking necessary, and 91 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: they were prepared with the equipment to do so. And 92 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: Donald Trump knew it. And knowing that when Liz Cheney said, 93 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: let's roll the fucking tape of Donald Trump then telling 94 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: them to go march to the Capitol, knowing that these 95 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: people are armed and violent and hyped up on his 96 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: stop the steel fucking chance, he sent them to go 97 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: attack his vice president, to go attack the members of Congress. 98 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: And then who's gonna hop in the beast and head 99 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: to the Capitol himself? If not for his attorney Cippolini. 100 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: That's like, no, no, no, no no, because this is 101 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: gonna be obstruction of justice. You can't go there. Donald 102 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: Trump gets in the beast and says, I'm the President 103 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: of the fucking United States. Take me to the fucking capital. 104 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: Secret Service says no, Donald Trump grabs the wheel. Then 105 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: he grabs the clopical of the secret service member. Bitch, 106 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: that is assault. You have Rudy Giuliani right now talking 107 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: about a slap on the back is simple assault? Well, 108 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: what the fuck would you call what Donald Trump did 109 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: to his secret service member in the car? Then when 110 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: he does not get his way, and we know we 111 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: knew from Ejean Carroll when she told us when she 112 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: told Donald Trump no and he sexually assaulted her in 113 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: a department store, we know that this white, privileged sis 114 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: heateral man does not take no for a fucking answer. Right, 115 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: He gets back to the White House, throws his lunch 116 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: at the wall like a fucking tyrannical toddler catch up 117 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: running down the walls of the White House. If that 118 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: image does not not conjure the trash and the destruction 119 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: that this administration did to our democracy, it is just 120 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: the perfect. As my friend Washaht said, an exquisite image 121 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: of the Trump administration is that fast food crap sliding 122 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: down the wall of our White House. I gotta tell 123 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: you that. Then, when asked by Liz Cheney, Miss Hutchinson, 124 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: is this the first time that Donald Trump would react 125 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: in such a manner in the White House. Oh no, no, no, 126 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: it's not. Donald Trump was known for flipping tablecloths and 127 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: throwing shit all over the ground when he did not 128 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: get his way or when he did not like something. Right, So, 129 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: the twenty some odd women that accused Donald Trump of 130 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: sexual assault and harassment, maybe we want to believe them now, 131 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: m I gotta tell you that. I mean, it is incredible. 132 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: It is breathtaking that none of these people are in jail, 133 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: that none of these people have been indicted. I keep asking, 134 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: where the fuck is Merritt Garland? Did that motherfucker get 135 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: off the plane from the Ukraine? Is he still there 136 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: right defending their democracy while ours crumbles because he believes 137 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: in the institution. Well, let me tell you something, Merrick, 138 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: there won't be much of an institution left if Donald 139 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: Trump is able to run for president again. Because you're 140 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: taking your sweet fucking time over seventeen months and you 141 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: haven't put together a motherfucking case yet, give me a break. 142 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: There is more than enough information, more than enough evidence 143 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: to be able to indict every single one of these people. 144 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,559 Speaker 1: And now we know that Mark Meadows, along with Rudy 145 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: Giuliani and others asked for a fucking pardon. Ah my god. 146 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: The other breathtaking part, Oh, I don't know. Mike Flynn, 147 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: the convicted fucking felon, who then, when asked by Liz 148 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: Cheney in his deposition, do you believe general in the 149 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: peaceful transfer of power? He pled the fifth? What kind 150 00:08:54,240 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: of banana republic tootolerant, totalitarian bullshit is this? These people 151 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: are wild. This testimony was wild, and it was wild 152 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: because it was so level headed. What she offered was like, 153 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: this is what was said, this is what I heard. 154 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: I was in the room where it happened. I mean, 155 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you that, at this point in time, 156 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: if Donald Trump, Mark Meadows, Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, Sipoloni, 157 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 1: if all of these people are not indicted, right, are 158 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: not charged with crimes against this country, with obstruction of justice, 159 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: with fucking treason, right Like, if they are not charged, 160 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: then I am going to be convinced that the Department 161 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: of Justice is in cahoots with the Trump administration in 162 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: the attempt to overthrow our government, because there is just 163 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: no other explanation for their inaction at this time except 164 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: for the fact that I say all of the time. 165 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: White men in power do not take down other white 166 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: men in power. Right, That is not what the system 167 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: was built for. The system was built to protect white 168 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: men and their property from everyone else. Right. Oh my god, folks, 169 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you if you did not watch my 170 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: live yesterday, it is up on my Instagram page. If 171 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: you're not following me, had over there at D two cents. 172 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: It's the same that it is on Twitter. D E 173 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: E t w O c E n t s. Also, 174 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: I posted a series of TikTok's and over at TikTok 175 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: I am Danielle Moody Underscore and I'm popping all the 176 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: way off over there, so be sure to check me 177 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: out there. Coming up next, our good good in house doctor, 178 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzel is back from his trip to Europe 179 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: and he has some very eye opening things that he 180 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: was asked that he learned on his trip away that 181 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: he is going to bring us up to speed on 182 00:10:52,120 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: and that conversation is coming up next. 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What did you do? 214 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: Remind us of where you were and why you were there. Well, 215 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: I went to Sweden. I was in three different towns 216 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: in Sweden giving lectures at different universities around Sweden. And 217 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: Sweden's a pretty interesting place because everybody speaks English. And 218 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: the reason they speak English is because they used to. 219 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: They were telling me they used to all speak German, 220 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: but then after World War Two they were like, Man, 221 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: Germany is a sinking ship, ethically problematic, So we're going 222 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: to tie our ship to not just the you know, 223 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: the currency of what it means, what you get out 224 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: of speaking English in this world. A lot of residence 225 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: between Scandinavia and the United States a lot of political residents. 226 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: So the thing is, we've looked at you guys as 227 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: a kind of beacon, and we are professional. Conversations are 228 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: in English, and it's got it's been great for us 229 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: so far, and now like, what the fuck is happening? 230 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: What are you doing? And should we be you know, 231 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: we be rethinking our alliances now. Of course it's important 232 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: because Sweden is also thinking about joining a NATO now, 233 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: and so there are alliances military alliances that we're forming 234 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: with people in Sweden. But I just think culturally there's 235 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: kind of this moment. I mean, Sweden's a place with 236 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: relatively universal healthcare. It's got a kind of interesting complicated 237 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: history of race, which is what I was talking about there. 238 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: But but but but in general, they kind of looked 239 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: to the US as as a beacon. But it's a 240 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: very liberal, relatively liberal society in terms of people pay 241 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: high tax. Actually they actually paid not as high tax 242 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: as I thought they high tax, But we actually pay 243 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: high tax also, it turns out, but for their attax. 244 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: Like I'll give you an example. I spoke at this 245 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,359 Speaker 1: beautiful university, Lund University in Sweden, or the top universities 246 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: and it's free. Nobody pays tuition. Wait wait, I'm sorry, 247 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry start again, because you know you broke up 248 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: in my ear when I heard the word. It was 249 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: a beautiful university and it was free for everybody. I mean, 250 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: it's very competitive to get in, but everybody sees the 251 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: National University as like the crowning jewel, creating smart, intelligent 252 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: people for their country. And people won't don't pay tuition. 253 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: They want smart and intelligent people in the country. I mean, 254 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: it's crazy. And they're well trained and all these things. 255 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: Now you know, there are trade offs. They don't have 256 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: the freedom and the liberty. Like I tried to bring 257 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: my AAR fifteen and they wouldn't let me do it, 258 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: oh and and all these kind of things. And they're 259 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: very kind of wary about religions. So when I tried 260 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: to kneel down at the fifty yard line, they wouldn't. 261 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: They wouldn't. Just look funny. But the thing is, there 262 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: were great roads, there was relatively good healthcare, the infrastructure 263 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: felt like it was working. And I'll tell you the 264 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: craziest thing about Sweden, aside from the Pact, that the 265 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: fact that they pay less taxes than we do. Keep going. Um, like, 266 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: you go to a traffic light and like there's no 267 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: cars anywhere nearby in these towns where I was, and 268 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: there's no cars, and like I'm from New York. I'm 269 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: just like, I'm just gonna walk our street. But everybody 270 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: looks like and I mean like it's like old grannies 271 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: but also like tatted people with mohawks and nose rings 272 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: and stuff. They're all waiting at the red light for 273 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: the light to turn green so they can cross the road. 274 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: And I'm just like, what's going on here? Like, yeah, 275 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: we kind of believe in society, we're all kind of 276 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: playing by the same rules and stuff like that, and 277 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: and I'm just like it was mind blowing. And I'm 278 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: just like, oh yeah, when you imagine that you're part 279 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: of a civil society. Actually, the part of the idea 280 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: is like even if the rules don't totally make sense, 281 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: like literally there were no cars coming, but everybody's like, well, 282 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: you know, we just we just all played by the rules. 283 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: And when I went to Denmark, another place that's you know, 284 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: got its own complicated history. There's complicated histories of colonialism 285 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: and racism and all these countries. So I'm not trying 286 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: to brush that over, but it was just weird. Again. 287 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: It just makes you realize like the level of just 288 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: what's the word, like things have just crumbled, not just 289 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: in our infrastructure, but how we think about our relationship 290 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: to one another, and you kind of don't see it 291 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: until you go to another place. And when I was 292 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: in Copenhagen, everybody and their grandmother bikes, Like everybody bikes 293 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: there because gas is expensive, because it's faster and quicker, 294 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: but also because they have amazing bike lanes all over 295 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: the city that are not part of the road. They're 296 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: raised up, they're separate there. It's actually terrifying because you realize, 297 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: oh shit, this is not the sidewalk, but but it's 298 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: like separate bike lanes that go one direction that are 299 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: raised up so you can't actually drive onto them unless 300 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: you really are trying, but nobody does. And really the 301 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: bike logic is kind of how people engage. And another 302 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: similar thing happened, like I was supposed to go left 303 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: and intersection. I'm on these bike lanes, which I'm thinking, 304 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: these are again great bike lanes, but then I'm like, 305 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: I'm from New York. I'm just going to take a 306 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: left turn at the intersection because that's what I do. 307 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: So I went out into traffic. I turned left because 308 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: there were no cars coming. Within two seconds, a police 309 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: car pulled me over and they were like, you just 310 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: turn left, not using the bike lane. You turn left 311 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: in the street. And I said, you know, what do 312 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: you mean and it's like, yeah, you have to use 313 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: the bike lane. But they were so nice about it, 314 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: and they're like, just here, we don't do that. We 315 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: all played by the rules. And by the end, I'm like, oh, 316 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: I can see that, you know, I can see that. 317 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: I was actually really grateful. I'm like, in New York, 318 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: nobody gives two hoots if I drive in traffic or 319 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,239 Speaker 1: just like if you get if you get rid, if 320 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: you get run over, it if you don't block traffic 321 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: for too long. But they're like they have police who 322 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: are making sure people follow the bike rules. Like it's 323 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy. So Jonathan, you know what what were 324 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: because it's just it's just amazing. I don't think I 325 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: haven't been to Europe since twenty eighteen. Uh no since yea, 326 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: since twenty eighteen, um, and I want to know what 327 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: were some of the questions that were being asked you. 328 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: You know, you were there to give lectures um on 329 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, on gun violence, on the rise of fascism 330 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: and white supremacy that is happening in both the United 331 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: States and around different countries in Europe. And so what 332 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: were some of the questions that people were asking, because 333 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: while you were there, there was a lot that was 334 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: unfolding in the United States. Oh well, one thing, of 335 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: course is no one in the world. Can let me 336 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: just say one thing before that, actually, because what I 337 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: was thinking when I was just telling you this is 338 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: like that's everybody's fear, like oh my god, big brother, 339 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: or you know whatever. But I just say, there was 340 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: something nice about everybody kind of following the same rules. 341 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm the person who's saying this, but 342 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: actually it kind of like lowered the anxiety a little 343 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: bit as far as I could tell. I mean, I'm 344 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: no expert. I was away for two weeks, but I 345 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: was interacting with an awful lot of people, and I 346 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: was giving lectures that were where we were talking about 347 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: this stuff. Like I was giving quite well attended, like 348 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: packed house kind of lectures, and they were like, oh, 349 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: we're such rule followers that they were apologizing, and I'm like, yeah, 350 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 1: I'm I'm from the US, I'm not a rule follower. 351 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: But I also thought, you know, I don't know, and 352 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to follow like crappy rules 353 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: like I have to, you know, take a knee at 354 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: the fifty yard line and stuff like I'm not doing that. 355 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: But but it was something nice about I don't know, 356 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: what do you call it, socialist democracy kind of thing, 357 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 1: like I don't know, everyone having a respect for one 358 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: another and acting in a civilized society like they care. 359 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: But also like I guess they could see the benefit 360 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: of I mean, there were a lot of people who complained, like, oh, 361 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: I hate paying taxs. Of course that's always going to 362 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: be the case, but you could kind of see the 363 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: benefit of paying tax like all the street lights worked, 364 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: and the roads were nice relatively, and there was public 365 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: transportation like literally everywhere you went, and there were schools, 366 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: and healthcare wasn't in anywhere near the urgent like sky 367 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: is falling kind of thing. So I don't know, I 368 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: felt kind of nice actually, so so now understanding that, 369 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: let me say, yeah, with your with your question, though 370 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: they can't understand how any city and how any country 371 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: in the world could have Brazilian guns on the street. 372 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: So the gun stuff is such an level of insanity. 373 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: They're like, you're not at war with each other, what 374 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: the hell are you doing? And so the gun thing, 375 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: by far was the hardest thing to understand. So how 376 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: do you explain it? Well, that was what my talks 377 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: were about. Yeah, I told I explained the racial history 378 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: of the United States and pharmactic and gun company advertising 379 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: and the ways that guns are used in the service 380 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: of an ideology that claims to be taking over democracy 381 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: for people and foments its own form of racial resentment. 382 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 1: But it's just the irony was it was the polar 383 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: opposite of the ideology of communalism that exists in other 384 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: parts of the world. So I don't know, those are 385 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: my talks. And they were like at the end of 386 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: the talks, they'd be like, thank you so much, it's 387 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: so helpful to understand that, and we're going to start 388 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: talking to Germanic, you know, Like it was just it 389 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: was it was interesting. Do you feel I mean in 390 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: in in the time that you were gone and again 391 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: you were you were away for two weeks, do you 392 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: feel and you're you were away and and now the 393 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: president you know, was attending the G seven, right, and 394 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: we have all of the leaders of the G seven 395 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: absolutely astonished and horrified, um about from McCrone to Trudeau 396 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: to you know, to Johnson saying, my god, I cannot 397 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: believe that you took away abortion access. Do you feel 398 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: like in the time that you were there, that the 399 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: sentiments around the United States, um, are are falling, that 400 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: that that that that as the United States, you know, 401 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: I was watching as Joe Biden is standing, you know, 402 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: and and and is at the podium, and all of 403 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: the other leaders you know, are are flanking him on 404 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: either side, as as has always been the case, and 405 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 1: I'm saying, why are you all letting him speak? Like 406 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: in my own mind, like what is what is Joe 407 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: Biden President Biden offering to the world? And so what 408 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: were some of the things that you were feeling or 409 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: hearing from people about their feelings towards the United States 410 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: and where we are as opposed to where we were 411 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: pre Trump. Well, I mean understand that when in Scandinavia 412 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: it's very close to Russia, and so leading I mean, 413 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: there were a lot of debate about yes or no 414 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: on NATO. Honestly, these countries with long histories of not 415 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: joining or neutrality quote unquote for better or worse. But 416 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: I would say the United States has shown leadership in 417 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: the Ukraine crisis, and I don't think that was lost 418 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: on a lot of people. So it's not like our 419 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: internal politics are Our pegn policy has been very solid. 420 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: But I would say that I just think that you 421 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: have to leave this country to just see the everyday 422 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: effects of the fai moral leadership that we have. It's 423 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: really almost hard to quantify. It's not about rulers. It's 424 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: never going to make it to a newscast. But people 425 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: have looked up to the United States to be a 426 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: beacon of free thought and free speech and creative ideas 427 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: and innovation. And even if you like go to the 428 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: Design Museum in Copenhagen, like it's kind of like there's 429 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: Scandinavian design, and man, did they make some awesome chairs. 430 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: But then there's like all this cool stuff that was 431 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: happening like in New York and Alabama and blah blah 432 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: blah that inspired us to create like jazz chairs and 433 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Like the expression of our ideals has 434 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: led to a kind of moral leadership that's not quantified 435 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: by just the basic things of politicians. And it's really 436 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: sad to see us losing that in a way that 437 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: these kind of divisions and divisions about thought about suppression 438 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: of syllabi about one particular religion, which is the religion 439 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: I grew up under Biden Missouri, like all of a 440 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: sudden coming to dominate in all these ways. Like it's 441 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: just it's so bad for us ethically and morally internally, 442 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: but you kind of see it in an almost more 443 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: depressing way when you go somewhere else. And so it 444 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: was a kind of sad feeling of like we rescued 445 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: the world from and in the aftermath of World War two, 446 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: and I feel like all that order, all the martial 447 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: planned era goodwill that we built up, is now flipping itself. Jonathan, 448 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: what is the like I want you to be able 449 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: to explain to people, like what the failure of America 450 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: right now, what that is going to mean for the 451 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 1: rest of the world, because it isn't just about the 452 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: moral leadership, which I thank you so much for saying, 453 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: because I don't think that that is something that you 454 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: can quantify that other people's democracy. We're built out of 455 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: America's democracy. And so with us having creating this moral 456 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: leadership vacuum, what happens to the rest of the world, 457 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 1: in your in your opinion, if it was America, that 458 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: again is no longer this beacon to look up to, 459 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: because we are regressing in every which way possible. It's 460 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: it's a it's a global movement, and so partially all 461 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: of these countries also have right wing movements that have 462 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: been squelched for for a long time or haven't risen 463 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: to power, and so it's really what we're doing is 464 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: we're opening the door for a right wing ascendence. I 465 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: think as kind of part of the concern it's hum 466 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 1: I can you know, there's a lot of anti immigrant 467 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: movements across Europe and Scandinavia. There's a history of militarization, 468 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: which has not been the case really in the after 469 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: mouth of World War Two because the United States was, 470 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: you know, the protector in a certain kind of way. 471 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: And I think when we take all of that away, 472 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: there's some bad elements there. Certainly in the Middle East 473 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: we're seeing the potential return of Nittanyahu, for example, and 474 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: the collapse of the Israeli government, which, say what you 475 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: will about Israeli politics, there are a lot of solid 476 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,719 Speaker 1: liberal people there who are fighting for different kinds of 477 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: justice across Israeli Palestinian coalitions and other things. And I 478 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: think you could see the return, you know, I just 479 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: think that religious kind of right wing stuff is partially 480 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: we're at risk of having the world turned to the 481 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: right in a lot of other areas as well. So 482 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: it's not just like they're going to move past us, 483 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: it's also like we're a beacon potentially for threats to 484 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: liberal democracy and other places. That's my concern right now. 485 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: And I mean I read, I read newspapers from across 486 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: the world, but I am concerned reading the Israeli papers 487 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: right now. I mean, this is their third they're headed 488 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: into their their third election in yah in like in 489 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,719 Speaker 1: five in less than in like less than five years, 490 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: um and and we have seen time and time again 491 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: the coalitions that they put together collapse, which now has 492 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: made room for Net and Yahoo to make his return. 493 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: To your point, and we know exactly what Net and 494 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: yah Who's game is about? And so what do you think, 495 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: as as you were abroad, how how is this, it's 496 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: almost like, I don't know, I feel like we're in 497 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 1: a horror movie where all of the the Avengers, instead 498 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 1: of them being good, it's all of the bad super 499 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, super villains forming a new alliance. And so 500 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: what does that mean for the world, for the future 501 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: of the of the new World Order? You know, I 502 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: think it's something to be worried about. I mean, remember, 503 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: like the play book is right wing ideologies, make partnerships 504 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: with right wing religious ideologies, kind of suppressing suppressing that 505 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: with often demographic white majority m politics and UM. And 506 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: so I think there's going to be a lot of 507 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: free will that's at risks across the globe in a way. 508 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: I mean, the counter message isn't just look what a 509 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: bunch of fucktards America is. It's kind of like, look 510 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,239 Speaker 1: at the method, look at what happened in America, and 511 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: we can do that playbook here also that playbook. If 512 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: it playbook works in America, it can work in a 513 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: bunch of other places. And so I just think, I 514 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: guess it's a very very very dangerous moment. And I 515 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: think the fact that this is happening in the US 516 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: and for us, like honestly I mean, we probably will 517 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: talk about it next week, probably, um, but this is 518 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: just the beginning. I mean, the gun ruling from the 519 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: Supreme Court was about as catastrophic a ruling. I don't 520 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: think people fully grasp just how catastrophic. I grasped it 521 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: because we've been talking about We've been talking about it 522 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: four months and you told us that it was coming. 523 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, Jonathan that as soon as that 524 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: ruling came down, I had several friends who like myself, 525 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: have always been anti gun and have believed that people 526 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: should not own weapons of war text me and say 527 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: that they are going to the fire room range that 528 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: they want to get licensed. That if everyone is now 529 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: going to be armed to the armed to you know, 530 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: armed to the to the hills, then like, how are 531 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: we all going to be sitting around singing Kumbaya and 532 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: trying to keep peace when every when there's an a 533 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: R fifteen in your face. And the other important part 534 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: that people should know about this and we should talk 535 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: about this like lan next week. As it didn't just 536 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: overturn gun laws like the ones in New York, which 537 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: is bad enough in of itself, it also basically eviscerated 538 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: the ability to do anything about it. The ruling basically 539 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: said that if any gun law needs to be true 540 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: to the way we thought about guns in seventeen ninety 541 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: one to eighteen fifty six or something like when basically 542 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: when the Second and fourteenth Amendments were ratified, and so 543 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: that basically, if you can't show some kind of historical connection, 544 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: your gun law is unconstitutional. Why is that important? Well 545 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: to sendate just to great fanfare past this bipartisan gun 546 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 1: law and that thing. But not only that, it has 547 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: red flag laws, right, that's a big part of it, 548 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: but there were no red flag laws in seventeen ninety one. 549 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: It also has domestic violence protection. There was no domestic 550 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: violens protection in the constitution. That wasn't even a concept. 551 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: People just did it. And so the gun law itself 552 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,959 Speaker 1: is probably going to be unconstitutional, and get ready for 553 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: gun laws across the country to fall for that reason 554 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: that basically there's no historical precedent. 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