Speaker 1: You're listening to Taking Stock with Pimp Box and Kathleen
Speaker 1: Hayes on bloom Bird Radio and ever evolving political campaign.
Speaker 1: That is the story for Donald Trump, opening its first
Speaker 1: week under new leadership, trying out a number of ways
Speaker 1: to broaden it support and to begin to close the
Speaker 1: polling gap with Hillary Clinton. Among the the pivots or
Speaker 1: evolutions we expect to hear this week from Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is a policy speech on immigration. How is he going
Speaker 1: to change that and what kind of impact might he have?
Speaker 1: Are very happy to be joined today by Mike Meetza,
Speaker 1: executive editor for Bloomberg Politics, right here in our world
Speaker 1: headquarters in New York. Welcome Mike, Thanks for having me. So, uh,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, what has happened? We've had the departure of
Speaker 1: Paul mana Fort, We've got poster Kelly on Conway Bright
Speaker 1: Barton News co founder Stephen Banion involved now at the
Speaker 1: at the Helm, and of course there's talk that from
Speaker 1: the distance from the sidelines, Roger Ales, recently ousted at
Speaker 1: Fox News, is also chipping in. What are you guys
Speaker 1: hearing about what there he's being told and how he's responding. Um,
Speaker 1: So I think what we're seeing right now. Is is
Speaker 1: definitely a change in execution for the Trump campaign. The
Speaker 1: strategy has stayed remarkably consistent. It's just they're they're changing
Speaker 1: the way they're going about implementing that strategy. And I
Speaker 1: think it's it's becoming much faster, uh. And that that
Speaker 1: goes to the point of having a a CEO of
Speaker 1: the campaign who ran this new site. So he's really fast,
Speaker 1: he's really used to these these crazy fast news cycles. UM.
Speaker 1: And he's being more disciplined when it comes to uh
Speaker 1: the groups he's targeting. And that definitely comes from Kelly
Speaker 1: and Conway. Like you said, who's whose roots are in
Speaker 1: UH polling? And I think she would be able to
Speaker 1: make the case to AH, to someone who's as obsessed
Speaker 1: with polls as Donald Trump, that hey, we need to
Speaker 1: reach out to these other groups in order to have
Speaker 1: a chance to win. Mike, does Donald Trump have a
Speaker 1: pulse on what attracts people for the daily news cycle?
Speaker 1: Because for example, he went down to Louisiana to those
Speaker 1: flooded areas before the president, before candidate Hillary Clinton hay
Speaker 1: to visit. Now, that's that's actually a really good point.
Speaker 1: He is a fully formed media animal. He consumes media
Speaker 1: at all points on the clock. He's watching cable news,
Speaker 1: he's on Twitter. We've seen him tweet in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night. We've seen him, you know, tweet in
Speaker 1: the middle of his work day. Um, he knows what's
Speaker 1: going on, and he's he he looks, he looks to
Speaker 1: a lot of different media out let's to figure out
Speaker 1: what he's going to do next. I think you could
Speaker 1: look at his convention speech He's even which was very
Speaker 1: news driven as opposed to traditional convention speeches which would
Speaker 1: focus on kind of like broader themes, more eternal themes
Speaker 1: for America. Well before we started this discussion, in the
Speaker 1: last couple of minutes, Mike, you were pointing out that, uh,
Speaker 1: people very close to Donald Trump have very recent immigrants
Speaker 1: in their families, um, notably Italian immigrants. Right, So he's
Speaker 1: so close to an issue that many people feel he
Speaker 1: has that he's anti immigrant. Right. First things he said
Speaker 1: about looking very closely at the Muslims who are being
Speaker 1: allowed into this country, no matter where they're from, etcetera.
Speaker 1: What's it gonna say this week? Yeah, I know, it's
Speaker 1: a really interesting point. And I think, um, I think
Speaker 1: if you look at a lot of Trump's rhetoric and
Speaker 1: rhetoric that comes from the campaign. They're they're definitely suspicious
Speaker 1: of people who are either immigrants or the um the
Speaker 1: sons and daughters of immigrants, and that comprises you know,
Speaker 1: a huge uh you know that the huge share of
Speaker 1: the American voting public. There are a lot of people
Speaker 1: who are the sons and daughters of immigrants. Um So.
Speaker 1: At the same time, it's very popular with his base,
Speaker 1: and he he won the primaries because he was able
Speaker 1: to outflank his his many many Republican opponents when it
Speaker 1: came to immigration. Um so. I think that that drove
Speaker 1: him this far, and I think at this point he's
Speaker 1: looking for a way to kind of soften it a
Speaker 1: little bit because one, uh one, it's definitely turned off
Speaker 1: a lot of voters. In two, if he did win
Speaker 1: the White House, it would be very hard to implement
Speaker 1: something as drastic as a deportation of millions and millions
Speaker 1: of illegal immigrants. I wonder if you could just cast
Speaker 1: your vision to the future and the debates that will
Speaker 1: be held with Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Are the
Speaker 1: expectations for Donald Trump so low in terms of policy
Speaker 1: points and facts and figures and those kinds of details
Speaker 1: that he made likely surprised people during the debate. It's
Speaker 1: it's entirely possible. This is this is definitely an expectations game.
Speaker 1: But I think if you kind of start to think
Speaker 1: about how that expectations game is played, I think you're
Speaker 1: right one that uh, that Trump uh is not known
Speaker 1: to be the kind of details driven debater or that
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton was. But also we're not seeing the kind
Speaker 1: of rhetoric that we saw in past campaigns where uh,
Speaker 1: you know what, when Romney was preparing to debate Barack Obama,
Speaker 1: it was often said, you know, Barack Obama is one
Speaker 1: of the best debaters in the United States history, and
Speaker 1: of course it's going to be hard for Romney to compete.
Speaker 1: And then he was able to really shock everybody with
Speaker 1: that first debate and uh and uh leave it leave
Speaker 1: it very much a mystery until election day who was
Speaker 1: gonna win. Um. At the same time, I do a
Speaker 1: few things that you could count on. One is that
Speaker 1: there Trump will drive enormous interest in this uh, in
Speaker 1: this debate. You know, if he he loves ratings, he
Speaker 1: loves building up to one big climactic moment that will
Speaker 1: decide things. I think if if you're a campaign like his,
Speaker 1: who who's behind in the polls, who loves television, who
Speaker 1: thinks they haven't advantaged, they would they would definitely be
Speaker 1: driving towards one big moment like this. Mike knitz En,
Speaker 1: thank you very much, Executive Editor, Bloomberg Politics. He can
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