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Speaker 1: You're listening to Taking Stock with Pimp Box and Kathleen

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Speaker 1: Hayes on bloom Bird Radio and ever evolving political campaign.

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Speaker 1: That is the story for Donald Trump, opening its first

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Speaker 1: week under new leadership, trying out a number of ways

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Speaker 1: to broaden it support and to begin to close the

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Speaker 1: polling gap with Hillary Clinton. Among the the pivots or

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Speaker 1: evolutions we expect to hear this week from Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: is a policy speech on immigration. How is he going

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Speaker 1: to change that and what kind of impact might he have?

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Speaker 1: Are very happy to be joined today by Mike Meetza,

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Speaker 1: executive editor for Bloomberg Politics, right here in our world

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Speaker 1: headquarters in New York. Welcome Mike, Thanks for having me. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, what has happened? We've had the departure of

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Speaker 1: Paul mana Fort, We've got poster Kelly on Conway Bright

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Speaker 1: Barton News co founder Stephen Banion involved now at the

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Speaker 1: at the Helm, and of course there's talk that from

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Speaker 1: the distance from the sidelines, Roger Ales, recently ousted at

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Speaker 1: Fox News, is also chipping in. What are you guys

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Speaker 1: hearing about what there he's being told and how he's responding. Um,

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Speaker 1: So I think what we're seeing right now. Is is

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Speaker 1: definitely a change in execution for the Trump campaign. The

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Speaker 1: strategy has stayed remarkably consistent. It's just they're they're changing

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Speaker 1: the way they're going about implementing that strategy. And I

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Speaker 1: think it's it's becoming much faster, uh. And that that

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Speaker 1: goes to the point of having a a CEO of

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Speaker 1: the campaign who ran this new site. So he's really fast,

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Speaker 1: he's really used to these these crazy fast news cycles. UM.

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Speaker 1: And he's being more disciplined when it comes to uh

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Speaker 1: the groups he's targeting. And that definitely comes from Kelly

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Speaker 1: and Conway. Like you said, who's whose roots are in

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Speaker 1: UH polling? And I think she would be able to

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Speaker 1: make the case to AH, to someone who's as obsessed

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Speaker 1: with polls as Donald Trump, that hey, we need to

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Speaker 1: reach out to these other groups in order to have

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Speaker 1: a chance to win. Mike, does Donald Trump have a

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Speaker 1: pulse on what attracts people for the daily news cycle?

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Speaker 1: Because for example, he went down to Louisiana to those

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Speaker 1: flooded areas before the president, before candidate Hillary Clinton hay

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Speaker 1: to visit. Now, that's that's actually a really good point.

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Speaker 1: He is a fully formed media animal. He consumes media

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Speaker 1: at all points on the clock. He's watching cable news,

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Speaker 1: he's on Twitter. We've seen him tweet in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the night. We've seen him, you know, tweet in

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Speaker 1: the middle of his work day. Um, he knows what's

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Speaker 1: going on, and he's he he looks, he looks to

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Speaker 1: a lot of different media out let's to figure out

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Speaker 1: what he's going to do next. I think you could

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Speaker 1: look at his convention speech He's even which was very

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Speaker 1: news driven as opposed to traditional convention speeches which would

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Speaker 1: focus on kind of like broader themes, more eternal themes

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Speaker 1: for America. Well before we started this discussion, in the

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Speaker 1: last couple of minutes, Mike, you were pointing out that, uh,

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Speaker 1: people very close to Donald Trump have very recent immigrants

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Speaker 1: in their families, um, notably Italian immigrants. Right, So he's

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Speaker 1: so close to an issue that many people feel he

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Speaker 1: has that he's anti immigrant. Right. First things he said

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Speaker 1: about looking very closely at the Muslims who are being

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Speaker 1: allowed into this country, no matter where they're from, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: What's it gonna say this week? Yeah, I know, it's

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Speaker 1: a really interesting point. And I think, um, I think

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Speaker 1: if you look at a lot of Trump's rhetoric and

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Speaker 1: rhetoric that comes from the campaign. They're they're definitely suspicious

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Speaker 1: of people who are either immigrants or the um the

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Speaker 1: sons and daughters of immigrants, and that comprises you know,

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Speaker 1: a huge uh you know that the huge share of

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Speaker 1: the American voting public. There are a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who are the sons and daughters of immigrants. Um So.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, it's very popular with his base,

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Speaker 1: and he he won the primaries because he was able

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Speaker 1: to outflank his his many many Republican opponents when it

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Speaker 1: came to immigration. Um so. I think that that drove

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Speaker 1: him this far, and I think at this point he's

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Speaker 1: looking for a way to kind of soften it a

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Speaker 1: little bit because one, uh one, it's definitely turned off

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Speaker 1: a lot of voters. In two, if he did win

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Speaker 1: the White House, it would be very hard to implement

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Speaker 1: something as drastic as a deportation of millions and millions

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Speaker 1: of illegal immigrants. I wonder if you could just cast

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Speaker 1: your vision to the future and the debates that will

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Speaker 1: be held with Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Are the

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Speaker 1: expectations for Donald Trump so low in terms of policy

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Speaker 1: points and facts and figures and those kinds of details

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Speaker 1: that he made likely surprised people during the debate. It's

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Speaker 1: it's entirely possible. This is this is definitely an expectations game.

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Speaker 1: But I think if you kind of start to think

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Speaker 1: about how that expectations game is played, I think you're

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Speaker 1: right one that uh, that Trump uh is not known

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Speaker 1: to be the kind of details driven debater or that

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton was. But also we're not seeing the kind

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Speaker 1: of rhetoric that we saw in past campaigns where uh,

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Speaker 1: you know what, when Romney was preparing to debate Barack Obama,

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Speaker 1: it was often said, you know, Barack Obama is one

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Speaker 1: of the best debaters in the United States history, and

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Speaker 1: of course it's going to be hard for Romney to compete.

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Speaker 1: And then he was able to really shock everybody with

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Speaker 1: that first debate and uh and uh leave it leave

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Speaker 1: it very much a mystery until election day who was

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Speaker 1: gonna win. Um. At the same time, I do a

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Speaker 1: few things that you could count on. One is that

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Speaker 1: there Trump will drive enormous interest in this uh, in

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Speaker 1: this debate. You know, if he he loves ratings, he

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Speaker 1: loves building up to one big climactic moment that will

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Speaker 1: decide things. I think if if you're a campaign like his,

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Speaker 1: who who's behind in the polls, who loves television, who

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Speaker 1: thinks they haven't advantaged, they would they would definitely be

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Speaker 1: driving towards one big moment like this. Mike knitz En,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much, Executive Editor, Bloomberg Politics. He can

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