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Speaker 1: What strong my outs. I'm Robert Evans hosted Behind the Vastards.

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Speaker 1: I was up too late last night ingesting narcotics and

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Speaker 1: today is gonna be a ship show. Thankfully. To help

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Speaker 1: me get through it, I have my co host Jamie lofta,

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Speaker 1: what's going on you Tube? Literally it was just you

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Speaker 1: just got home and you just started doing with it.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know what I did last night? I

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Speaker 1: did well, we can edit out if you don't want

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Speaker 1: to get specific, but we can just bleep the drug

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Speaker 1: of choice, which would honestly make it sound way cooler

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Speaker 1: than what you actually did. Let's let's let's leave plausible

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Speaker 1: deniability that it might have been legal. Yeah, so so

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Speaker 1: I did something that was legal but very sad. I

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Speaker 1: did that thing where you get this the little, the

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Speaker 1: little four pack of tiny Sutter homes were on sale.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's that is deeply sad, James. And then I

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Speaker 1: drank go for It's sad. It's sad to drink. It

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Speaker 1: comes out to like two thirds of a bottle of wine,

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Speaker 1: which is actually, now that I'm saying it out loud,

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Speaker 1: also sad. But drinking four tiny bottles is it's tough.

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Speaker 1: It's tough. What what's sad is that when you're in

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Speaker 1: that space, you want wine, but you don't have your

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Speaker 1: ship together enough to open a bottle to like pull

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Speaker 1: a cork out. Like that's when you drink those Sutter

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Speaker 1: Home bottles a little, their twist tops, and they were

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Speaker 1: they were heavily discounted at my CV as God knows why.

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Speaker 1: Maybe there was tape on them. I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: think of them like the mood that you are in

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Speaker 1: when you drink that is like I have the wherewithal

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Speaker 1: I have no Like the most that I can handle

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Speaker 1: to be wine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just I

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Speaker 1: don't know I got I'm gonna cut myself slack on it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do any self searching about why I

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Speaker 1: drank the four tiny wines I had. I was fine.

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Speaker 1: I had a fine day. I don't have I don't

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Speaker 1: have a problem right now. No. You see this ties

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Speaker 1: actually into the theme of the episode, Jamie. This is

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Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards, the show where we talk about the

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Speaker 1: worst people in all of history, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: the worst people in all of history spend way too

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Speaker 1: much time analyzing themselves rather than just not thinking about

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Speaker 1: things too hard. And that is where we get terrible,

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Speaker 1: terrible people like the person we're talking about today. Love it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Who pulled it out? In the end? Who is it?

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Speaker 1: No one and no one ever tells me anything anymore.

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Speaker 1: I I asked to know, and then I was handily rejected. Well,

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Speaker 1: you will not know this person by their name. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever heard of Arthur Desmond? No? He sounds like

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Speaker 1: good sexy cartoon prints. He is not Google images. Have

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Speaker 1: you heard of Ragnar Redbeard? Yes? Why have I heard

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Speaker 1: of that? Is that a metal band? Robert Well? Actually, yes,

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Speaker 1: but that's not what it is originally. Um. You you

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Speaker 1: remember the Gilroy Garlic Festival mass shooting? Yes? I do, well. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: On July nineteen, Santino Lgan cut a hole in the

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Speaker 1: And of course, as we always do now after a

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Speaker 1: mass shooting, a bunch of researchers and law enforcement started

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Speaker 1: like going through that guy's online presence to try to

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Speaker 1: figure out all right, what was this one? Was this

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Speaker 1: guy like a white nationalist? Was the nicest guy? Was

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Speaker 1: this just like just a dude shooting people for no reason?

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Speaker 1: And we found an Instagram post that the shooter had

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Speaker 1: attached an image of like Smokey the Bear with a

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Speaker 1: posted read might is right by Ragnar red Beard? Why

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Speaker 1: room for hordes of mestizos and Silicon Valley white twats?

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Speaker 1: What was his post? So? My is Right is a

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Speaker 1: very famous book. It's not the most prominent piece of

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Speaker 1: white nationalist literature, but it's up there. Uh. And the

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Speaker 1: guy who wrote it used a pseudonym because no one

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Speaker 1: has ever been named Ragnar Redbeard Like Vikings would have

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Speaker 1: been like, dude, that's that's a little bit much, huh,

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, a little little silly, it's a bit over

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Speaker 1: the tight does sound like a like a steam punky

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Speaker 1: I I really One of the untold stories of history

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Speaker 1: is how many mass shootings Dungeons and Dragons has helped

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Speaker 1: us to avoid by giving people with too much imagination

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Speaker 1: and outlet rather than somewhere to go. Yeah, not mass shootings,

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Speaker 1: but like shitty books. I I shouldn't say mash it's

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Speaker 1: because the tale of Arthur Desmond is the tale of

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Speaker 1: a guy who if he'd gotten together with friends and

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Speaker 1: Sunday Bari, he wouldn't have written this book. It's it's

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Speaker 1: a class and dungeons and dragons. Oh, okay, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: christ Jamie, Okay, Sorry, King, just getting screamed at by

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Speaker 1: a man in a kimono not paid to be here, Robert,

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Speaker 1: you're just screaming. I mean a kimono. I do like

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Speaker 1: the kimono. I like the past. Thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: machete at where does the kimon what happened, Like, what's

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Speaker 1: the story with the kimono? Oh, much of my parents

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Speaker 1: kimonos as gifts on a regular basis. And they're comfortable. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well I like that. Yeah, yeah, they're nice. It's a

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Speaker 1: nice thing to put on when you're hungover in the

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Speaker 1: morning and you have to do your podcast with your

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Speaker 1: good friend Jamie Loftus. I can't say it enough. It

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Speaker 1: is not the morning, it is not. It is well

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Speaker 1: after two, but I have been up for less than

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Speaker 1: a half hour. That's true. It was fun to watch

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Speaker 1: in real time. Yeah. Yeah, if if my ship is

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Speaker 1: not together, like when i'm when it's not together, I

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Speaker 1: start comparing people who play Dungeons and Dragons to mass shooters,

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Speaker 1: which is wildly unfair and not the point I was

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Speaker 1: trying to make. Um But but and yet we had

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Speaker 1: to cancel you, and yeah this is how I get

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Speaker 1: Oh please cancel me. Oh my god, I could go

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Speaker 1: forget who too. I don't know who tweeted this, but

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Speaker 1: there was a tweet that was like, I hope when

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Speaker 1: I get canceled, I'm surrounded by my closest family and friends,

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Speaker 1: and as I feel the same way, we'll all be

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Speaker 1: canceled one day and then we will go to the

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Speaker 1: happy hunting grounds, uh, where we can all get on

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Speaker 1: open mics and shout racial slurs, which is uh, like, like,

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Speaker 1: the guy Jerry Seinfeld? No, No, no, Kramer, Oh, Michael

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Speaker 1: rich that's the joke. I was Michael Richard's heaven? Would

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Speaker 1: Jerry Seinfeld slurs. I'm like, why would you want that? Wrong?

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Speaker 1: It's this one poorly constructed joke after another. Um, you're

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Speaker 1: see the pieces of the joke everything. I can see

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Speaker 1: the ingredients, and but you just threw him in the bowl.

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Speaker 1: That's actually how I cooked breakfast, just oats without water,

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Speaker 1: what I do to my breakfast is gross. What do

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Speaker 1: you do to your breakfast? I get a bagel with

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Speaker 1: five packets of catchup. Now you see, Jamie, I was

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Speaker 1: actually going, like I was planning before you gave that out,

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Speaker 1: hopefully we get canceled first so we have some time

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Speaker 1: it's time to talk about a man who was never

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Speaker 1: canceled and definitely should have been Arthur Desmond, who was

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Speaker 1: almost certainly yeah yeah, yeah, So this this guy Ragnar

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Speaker 1: Redbeard who wrote this book Might is right. Obviously it

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Speaker 1: I'm not certain that Arthur Desmond is his real given name.

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Speaker 1: this guy sounded. Whichever one you want, Okay, So it's Brett, Okay,

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Speaker 1: a sign that somebody was up to a lot of good. Now,

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Speaker 1: whatever the reality of his mysterious origins, eight four is

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Speaker 1: the year in which Arthur Desmond first emerges solidly into

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Speaker 1: gotten kicked out of a first meeting where he's argued

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Speaker 1: on behalf of this. Uh this this former guerrilla leader,

424
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 1: current religious leader, Takutiel, He's still pretty pretty cool at

425
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: this point. Um. Now, the colonists mostly hated take Kuti

426
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 1: because you know, he'd been a violent and surgeant at

427
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: one point, and of course they were racist, but they

428
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 1: primarily were scared because they thought he was going to

429
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 1: disrupt the upcoming sale of a bunch of Maori land

430
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: to white people. Um, so they're they're big worry is that,

431
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: like he's gonna organize the local mayoris to stop this transaction.

432
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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna quote from tak for again. A few

433
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Speaker 1: days later, on the twenty first February, another large meeting

434
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: took place, this time in Gisborne. Eight hundred people attended

435
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: and passed a resolution to stop take Kutie by any

436
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: means necessary. Again, Desmond spoke in favor of tak Kutie's

437
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: visit He told the assembly that he had a message

438
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Speaker 1: from the Maori leaders at Takaraka and informed them that

439
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: they had no right to interfere in what was to

440
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: be a peaceful visit. Again, the settlers wouldn't listen and

441
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: a fight broke out. Desmond slightly outnumber it had to

442
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: be escorted from the meeting by the police. He was

443
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: described as the pakiha emmissary from the how House, which

444
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: is like the Pekia is like a word for white guy,

445
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: the how Houser or takutis you know, church in the

446
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: New Zealand Herald, and according to the paper, was luckily

447
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: to get out of the meeting alive. By this stage,

448
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: Poverty Bay was in a panic. The government stepped in

449
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: and arrested Takuti and his seventy followers, many of them

450
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: women and children, at Wayotahi. Takuti was charged with unlawful

451
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: assembly and dispatched to the Mount Eden Jail. So that's cool,

452
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: all right? Yeah, this is it's taking him a suspiciously

453
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: long time to become someone who's unsympathetic. That's part of

454
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Speaker 1: what's interesting about this guy to me is his journey.

455
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: I think I kind of get why he turned into

456
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: an asshole. UM. But that's the story we're building too.

457
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: So I think one of the problems when you have

458
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Speaker 1: a guy who ends up where where Arthur Desmond ends up,

459
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: which is basically a Nazi, UM, is it's easy to

460
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: like work backwards and and sort of attribute like the worst,

461
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: attributes that he wound up believing to like his prior actions.

462
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: So guys like Mark Derby, who is Desmond's biographer and

463
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: probably knows more about the guy than I do, suspects

464
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: that he mainly supported Take Cootie because he admired the

465
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: Maori leaders like violent past in his ruthlessness. UM. I

466
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: don't know how much I agree with that, And again

467
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: Derby has done more research than I have. But I

468
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: did read a lot of Desmond's writings on Take Cootie UM,

469
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: and I can't help but feel that there was more

470
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: going on than just his appreciation of the former insurgents,

471
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: like ability to do violence like that's certainly a part

472
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: of it. He does respect strength and like this guy's

473
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: the fact that like, unlike the working classes of his time,

474
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: this guy like stood up with a rifle and like

475
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, acted out what he believed in. UM. But

476
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: I I, yeah, I think there was more going on here.

477
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: He wrote a poem about take Cootie, which was the

478
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: first of many poems from Arthur Desmond because he was actually,

479
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: in my opinion, a pretty good poet. And I'm going

480
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: to read an exerpt from that poem, the Song of

481
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: Takuchi Home. No, it's actually pretty good. It's kind of

482
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: like Kipling and style, but um, at least from an

483
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: early age, less racist. And then it gets way more

484
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: racist than Kipling, So yeah, cool. They tried to enslave us,

485
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: to trample us down, like the millions that served them

486
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: in field and town. But the sapling that's bended when

487
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: freed will rebound. Exalt for Ta Kuti Yoho. He plundered

488
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: their rum stores, He ate up their priests. He robbed

489
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: the rich squatters to furnish him feasts. What fair halfs

490
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: so fine is their clover fed beasts? Exalt for Ta

491
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: Kuti Yoho in the wild midnight, for a whose footsteps

492
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: trod lighter in the flash of the rifle, whose eyeballs

493
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: gleamed brighter. What man with our hero could clinch as

494
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Speaker 1: a fighter? Exalt for Ta Kuti Yoho? They say it

495
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: was murder, But what then is war? When they slatted

496
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: our kin in the flames of the paw Oh, darker

497
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: their deeds and more merciless by far exalt for Takuti yoho.

498
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: So he's like, he uses a lot of yoho there yo,

499
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Speaker 1: lot I did. This is the most yoho ng I

500
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: have ever done in this So you're like, that poem

501
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: is awesome. Yeah, you can see you can see you

502
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: can see his appreciation for the guy's violence, but you

503
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: can also see that it comes from like his recognition

504
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: that these people have been oppressed by colonial power. And

505
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: he's like, look, you can call this guy brutal, but

506
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: like the whole colonial system is a thousand times more

507
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: brutal than whatever violence this insurgent den't, And that's the

508
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: real crime. See what I was seeing was an A

509
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: A A B rhyming pattern, and the B is always yoho.

510
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: Hey hey, it's his first poem. Okay oh, that was

511
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: a fun fourth gradest sign I am. I am going

512
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: to read a lot more poems before this episode. There

513
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: are there are. This is the most poems we're going

514
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: to have in an episode. Does he ever go slam?

515
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: Did he ever go off? The rhyme scheme. I think

516
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: in a modern era, this guy would be a white

517
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: rapper and would probably take like a violent wing turn.

518
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: He'd be like one of those flat earth rappers who

519
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: like rants about like Talmudic Jews, like I'm going on

520
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: a tour across the flat earth. Yeah, look out for

521
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: your boy may fall off the edge. Yeah. Yeah, that

522
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: he would be that guy a thousand percent. Okay. So

523
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: after the end of his political career, Arthur Desmond moved

524
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: to Auckland. He got a job is what's called a

525
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: gum digger, which I did not look up because I

526
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: just want to imagine that as like literally a harvesting,

527
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: like chewing gum from the world. I know what's got

528
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: to do with trees. I understand what it really is,

529
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: but I'm going to pretend that it's he's digging up

530
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: like like bubble yum um. He became a He became

531
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: a member of the Timber Workers Union, which was a

532
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: fairly new thing at that point. Unions were just starting

533
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: to take off all over the world in the late

534
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, and this was part of a global socialist trend.

535
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: Workers of the world uniting in order to strike and

536
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: bargain together for a larger share of the wealth they

537
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: created for their capitalist masters. Things started to look up

538
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: for Desmond. He was a point to represent the Timber

539
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: Union at the Auckland Trades Council, and finally he saw

540
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: his fellow laboring people realize how badly their bosses and

541
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: landlords were sucking them over. His firebrand instincts and poet's

542
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: heart made him an inspiring voice for labor. During a

543
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: maritime strike, he started publishing a newspaper, Tribune. It took

544
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: off among laborers and helped make Desmond a major leader

545
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: inside the strike. So he was just like, he's just

546
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: like marching around New Zealand being like, yoho, y'all, we

547
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: gotta there's probably a lot of your landhard's and asshole yoho. Look,

548
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: you couldn't get out of bed in the eighteen nineties

549
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: without a yoho or three. Like, let's be fair here. Yeah,

550
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: that's true, all right, So this is cool. Yeah yeah.

551
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: And one issue of Tribune he wrote, quote, how can

552
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: we expect just legislation and equal laws when those who

553
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: control private plundering concerns are legislators? Which is a fair,

554
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: fair question. Yeah. For the first time, in his life.

555
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: Things seem to be going very well for Arthur Desmond

556
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: thanks to the tribute, and he was finally making a

557
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: living as a writer, his dearest ambition, and he had

558
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: a prominent role stirring up the working class against the

559
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: capitalist pig dogs, his other dearest ambition. For a brief

560
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: shining moment, he tasted the sweet liquor of success, those

561
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: of us lucky enough to have drank it. No, it

562
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: tastes exactly like Shasta cola. Arthur Desmond's major target. What

563
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: that does? No, I was, I was just appreciating that

564
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: turn of phrase. Thank you. Arthur Desmond's major target during

565
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: this period was the Bank of New Zealand, which he

566
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: saw is the oppressive heart of the capitalist regime. And

567
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: it sort of was definitely was, absolutely it was. The

568
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: Bank of New Zealand was incredibly corrupt and existed primarily

569
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: to make the rich richer, something that has been true

570
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 1: of no other bank in history. On a regular basis.

571
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: Desmond excoriated them from his secret office hidden inside the

572
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: headquarters of the Auckland Employers Association. So he he sets

573
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: up an office in this big building and starts printing

574
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: like this, like far left Anti capitalist magazine without anyone

575
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: there like knowing it and without paying rent or anything

576
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: like that. And he gets away with it for about

577
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: three weeks and yeah, it's about all you could do.

578
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: That very stressful three weeks. Yeah, there's this weird, unshowered

579
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: guy printing off pages of newsletters. You should we do

580
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: something about. Someone comes up to him. He was like, hey,

581
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: you get out of here. And he's a giant, redheaded man,

582
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: like he's he's not he's hard to miss. Yeah, so

583
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: he's a giant like redheaded guy from New Zealand who

584
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: will eventually take on the rap name Ragnar red Beard.

585
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: If she told red Beard was a current like white

586
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: SoundCloud rapper, I wouldn't blink. I would I suspect there

587
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: are some. There's definitely like metal artists who use that

588
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 1: name and variations of it. There's like metal albums titled

589
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: Mit is right. He's inspired a lot of Nazi metal.

590
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: Good well, yes, so unfortunately, Yeah, after about three weeks,

591
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: the people who ran the association realized what was going on.

592
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: They told Desmond to clear his ship out and as revenge,

593
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: Arthur Desmond four just a confidential letter from a cabinet

594
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: minister to the association, basically accusing them of kicking him

595
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: out on the orders of a crooked politician. He used

596
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: this falsified information to accuse the association of conspiracy. Now

597
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: this did not sit well with the cabinet minister that

598
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: Desmond had implicated in a fake crime. He sued Desmond

599
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: for criminal libel, which Arthur Desmond was absolutely guilty of committing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

600
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: So he kind of oversteps here, uh, and things get worse.

601
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to quote next from Tierra, an online New

602
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: Zealand focused encyclopedia. Quote. His opponents retaliated with accusations that

603
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: his article christ as a Social Reformer, first published in

604
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: the literary magazine Zeelandia in June eighteen ninety and reprinted

605
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: as a pamphlet with an introduction by George Gray, had

606
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: been plagiarized from an American magazine. Desmond claimed that the

607
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: American article had been stolen from his own and dismissed

608
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: the accusation as an electioneering dodge. His attackers included the

609
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: leaders of the single tax movement in Auckland, with whom

610
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: he had also fallen out. Desmond next appeared in Wellington,

611
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: where in early eighteen ninety one, he endeavored to interest

612
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: the Wellington Trades and Labor Council and supporting a new

613
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: labor paper. He lectured on the Wellington waterfront on Sunday afternoons.

614
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: A young man, irish, eloquent, poetic, hard up, red haired

615
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: and red bearded is how he was described. So he

616
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: gets he gets canceled for plagiarizing and he has to

617
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: move to Wellington. I like that. I like this whole

618
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: like old timey narrative of when you get canceled, you move,

619
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: You just go to another city, goes somewhere else. I

620
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: waited to get canceled there. Yeah, there was a time

621
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: in which going from l A to San Diego was

622
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: like landing on the fucking moon, right right? You just

623
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: have a new name. They're like, oh yeah, By the way,

624
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: I did look up Ragnar red Beard SoundCloud and there

625
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: is a result of an Austrian man. He hasn't uploaded

626
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: for six years, but he has nine He has nine followers,

627
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: and uh. Some of his songs are called love Isn't

628
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: Everything Tuesday Again, Destroy with Love Heart. None of this

629
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: sounds like our Ragnar red Beard. No, I mean, but

630
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: it does. But all of all of his album art,

631
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: his pictures of his abs, but not his head. I mean,

632
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: are are his abs fired? Jamie His Yeah, they're good,

633
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: they're good. He's wearing a leather jacket and then it's

634
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: just his abs. Yeah. Okay, so that's just a chord plug. Yeah,

635
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: listen to this defunct SoundCloud rapper, or at least look

636
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: at his sweet sweet as sweet washboard abs. Mm hmm, hey,

637
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: good for him. It's weird that we call them washboard

638
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: abs because I feel like the period of time in

639
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: which people figured out how to have really nice abs

640
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: was not the period of time in which anyone used

641
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: washboards to wash clothing. And I also don't think a

642
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: lot of people can call to mind the image of

643
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: a washboard very quickly. No, it's one of those things

644
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 1: I just learned recently that upper case and lower case

645
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: letters referred to like back when people use printing presses,

646
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: you kept all the capital letters in one case, like

647
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: a literal case in the lower case, like there was

648
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: an upper and a lower case in the box where

649
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: you kept the letters. This is not that. But history

650
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: is so stupid, it's really dumb. It's so dumb. Wow,

651
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: Well we've got yeah, we've got stuff like that, Like

652
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: there's the fucking icon of a floppy disk in the

653
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: top left hand corner of a word document or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

654
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: so I guess washboard abs is like that anyways. Yeah,

655
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: Arthur Desmond probably had washboard ads at this point because

656
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: he rarely got enough money to eat properly, because he

657
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: was a poor intermittent fasting, which is what happens when

658
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: you get canceled for plagiarism and wind up working on

659
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: the docks. You fast a lot and get really sexy.

660
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure he was hot as fun at this point.

661
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: So Desmond did not stay in Wellington long. Rather than

662
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: battle the lawsuits over defamation in plagiarism, Arthur took the

663
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: root of all great conman and fled his home country

664
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: for a less lawbound end. In his case, it was Australia.

665
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: And in Desmond's defense, all Australians are criminals, so it's

666
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: a solid place to run after being caught committing numerous crimes. Wow,

667
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: he went there, he did, he did, and I will

668
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: go there. I I am firm about Australians being criminals.

669
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 1: Don't let him behind you. If you keep your wallet

670
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: in your back pocket. Now, Desmond landed in Sydney and

671
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 1: immediately got back to the thing he did best, rabble rousing.

672
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: Arthur befriended the leading men in Australia's labor movement, including

673
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: two guys who would go on to become Australian Prime ministers.

674
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: He started writing articles and poems again, and by eighteen

675
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: eighty nine was known as the poet of Revolution. In

676
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: my opinion, he was pretty good. I'm gonna read one

677
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: piece he published in Reynolds's newspaper. I think he gets

678
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: better at this point, so we'll see how you think, Jamie.

679
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: I kind of like some of them, like yoho, bitch,

680
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: it's good, Okay. So here's a poem he wrote. Yeah,

681
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: I don't need I don't need your ship. So I'm

682
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: gonna read a poem. I'm gonna read a goddamn poem.

683
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: A poem express. Some slay with sword, and some slay

684
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 1: with sword, and some with words. Some have no battle plan,

685
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: some stab with venom subtle word. Each does the best

686
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: he can, and each man gets what he can win

687
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: great wealth, great love, or fame. The conqueror gets his

688
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: just reward, the conquered gets his shame. And weak ones,

689
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: where a crown of thorns or bleat in living hell,

690
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: the strong man crowns himself with gold and all the

691
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: world as well, and each man gains what others lose,

692
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: no use to reason why, each plants his heel on

693
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: fallen foes by love or law or lie. Attle kind

694
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: of dark. It's really good. It's interesting. You can see

695
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: where you can see. He's his his ideology has started

696
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: to move on from like, uh, this sort of like

697
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: habitual um support of the working class and like anti

698
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: elite to like this um the strong get what they

699
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 1: can take and that's sort of normal. Like he started

700
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: the like he's he's gotten jaded at this point. Um,

701
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: so he's in his like moody poetry period. Yeah, yeah,

702
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: he's he's, he's he's gotten. He's he's turning emo a

703
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: little bit. The yoho's are gone. He's on the wave

704
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: now and okay, okay, he does change up as rhyme scheme.

705
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: He does. Yeah, he he took poetry too, and he's like, oh,

706
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: there's that. He's taken poetry three in a minute. Here,

707
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: it's uncool to rhyme yoho with yoho. Hey, hey, this

708
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: podcast is pro rhyming Yoho with Yoho, that's fair. Now.

709
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: Desmond starts another newspaper at this point, named Hard Cash.

710
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: Uh Taford describes it as a journal of finance and

711
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: politics published in Sydney. Desmond was clever as an accountant,

712
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: and his articles on how money rules the world were

713
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: well watched by businessmen. Now Desmond's like Hard Cash was

714
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: filled with like tips about which banks were going to

715
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: go up and like where you should pull your money

716
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: out of, which companies we're gonna take down earns, and

717
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: he developed a reputation of being incredibly accurate. So he

718
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: starts making a lot of money off of this because

719
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: both like working class people will buy it to know

720
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: like how to protect their money or what banks to

721
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: pull it out of, but also like the capitalist class

722
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: starts buying it because he's just he's always he's pretty

723
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: much always right about these things. And the police wind

724
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: up on his tail because they're like, number one, how

725
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: the fund does this guy know all this stuff? And

726
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: number two he's like causing runs on banks by telling

727
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: people to pull their money out of banks and stuff. Um.

728
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: And he's also kind of making himself very comfortable by

729
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: selling this this journal so he's gone from like, uh,

730
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: labor organizer fighting for the rights of the indigenous people

731
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: to like advising people and how to make a killing

732
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: in the stock market essentially, Like that would be the

733
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: modern um comparison, but he's he seems to be doing

734
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: it with an eye towards fucking up the economy. Um.

735
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: So he's he's still kind of an anti capitalist guy,

736
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: but he's also profiting heavily off of his anti capitalism, Right,

737
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I translate at it. Yeah, okay, okay,

738
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: so we're not I'm not I'm not totally lost yet. Okay,

739
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: not totally lost yet, but you're also trouble on the horizon.

740
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: Trouble on the horizon. He's getting more more cynical and

741
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: uh kind of um profiteering off of his off of

742
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: his activism. Yeah, which, you know, you could look at it.

743
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: He always was sort of doing that. Um. It's a

744
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: little hard to tell because we don't have huge amounts

745
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: of information about his earlier life. It honestly sounds like

746
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: he just wants to be a poet, but as like, oh,

747
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: I guess I have to do this other stuff to

748
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, like keep my poetry career moving. Yeah, yeah,

749
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: he's he's gotta he's he's got to start, uh the

750
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal in order to get his poems published.

751
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: Um yeah, that's that's kind of what's going on here now.

752
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: As an illegal magazine, Hard Cash was printed on a

753
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: secret printing press hidden inside a cave at a place

754
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: called West's Bush in Paddington. Because Australia is a ridiculous place. Uh,

755
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: the Australian Justice Department tried to shut it down. They

756
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: weren't able to track down Arthur Desmond because at this

757
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: point he was pretty good at avoiding the law. However,

758
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: they succeeded in arresting several other organizers who wrote for

759
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: Hard Cash, and these people like stuck with Desmond. They

760
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't give him up to the police. But Desmond kind

761
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: of abandons them immediately. Um like he's like he's just

762
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: he's just fucking in the wind. So his conspirators get

763
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: six months sentences and get charged with libelling the Prime Minister,

764
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: and Desmond flees from the law and keeps writing revolutionary articles. Um.

765
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: In the early eighteen nineties he joined up with the

766
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: Active Service Brigade, which was and by some accounts, he

767
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: actually created the Active Service Brigade, and this is an

768
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: anarchist political action group. Um. Now, I've read two different

769
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: sort of descriptions of what this was. The pro radical

770
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: politics description is that like conservative politicians were infiltrating labor

771
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: groups and left wing groups with like hidden um you know,

772
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: paid informants since off and the Active Service Brigade would

773
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: go in there and like beat the ship out of

774
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: those people and protect labor, organizing meetings to enshare free speech.

775
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: And the other description of what happened is that he

776
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: started a group of people who would beat the funk

777
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: out of anyone they disagreed with who tried to run

778
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: for political office, and like break up conservative political rallies.

779
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: I have no idea which is the actual case. Um,

780
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: probably a lot of both, to be honest. Yeah, it

781
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like either. Like scenario is entirely likely a

782
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: little bit of a he said, she has said nature

783
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: to that. Yeah, I'm gonna guess the conservatives are like

784
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: fucking around and trying to infiltrate left wing political groups,

785
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: and the Active Service Brigade ferrets those guys out. And

786
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm also going to guess they beat the ship out

787
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: of a lot of people who just disagree with them

788
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: because Arthur Desmond's kind of a dick, um, kind of

789
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he only becomes a famous Nazi. Yeah, he

790
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: does become a famous Nazi. I can't say which version

791
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: of events is true, but probably both, right, That's usually

792
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: the case. Let's situations like this, um now on paper.

793
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: The ideals of the Active Service Brigade were high. They

794
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: claimed to stand for free speech and attempted to quote

795
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: change the present competitive system into a cooperative social system.

796
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: There's lofty goals. Stood in contrast the deep economic depression

797
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: that was then sweeping through Australia. Banks were collapsing and

798
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: part due to the work that Arthur Desmond had carried

799
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: out as the editor of Hard Cash and Yeah. Desmond

800
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 1: finally was arrested, you know, in the early eighteen nineties,

801
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: not for running in a legal newsletter, but for writing

802
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: going bunk and chock on the wall of a bank, um,

803
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,479
Speaker 1: which seems to have been like part of a Yeah.

804
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: He was like writing that a bank was about to

805
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: run out of money. Basically, so he's trying to create

806
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: a run on the bank by by putting this s

807
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: graffiti up. Um, and he gets busted for that, but

808
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 1: he got busted for a banks crime. Yeah he did,

809
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: he did. I mean, like it's definitely more radical than

810
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: banks that he was actually trying to destroy a bank

811
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: by doing this, Like this is the eighteen nineties. Everything

812
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: was easier. No, that's hardcore. I mean, I'm back. Yeah,

813
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: Like if it is an easier error when you could

814
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: like funk a bank up by writing it's out of

815
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: money on the side and chopping the people just learned

816
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: to read, they won't believe it. Oh wow, Okay, so

817
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: he did. He did a little bit graffiti. He did

818
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of graffiti. Nice. Yeah. Now, the government

819
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: obviously hated Desmond's anarchist group, as all governments hate all

820
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: anarchists doing anything. Desmond was repeatedly accused of sundry dynamite plots.

821
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: And it's anyone's advice as to whether or not he

822
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: actually tried to blow anything up with dynamite, to be honest, probably, Yeah,

823
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean he sounds like that guy that he does,

824
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: sound like that guy dynamite plan and and there was

825
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: a lot of anner all over the world at this point,

826
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: late eighteen nineties, early nineteen hundreds. There's a lot of

827
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: anarchists blowing a lot of things up with a lot

828
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: of dynamite. Like when dynamite first gets made, they didn't

829
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: think that, like there's this interesting period in history when

830
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: like they know how to make really effective explosives that

831
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: anyone can use, but there are still aren't laws against anything.

832
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: So it's like dynamite gets made and you're like, well,

833
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: I guess we should just sell list to everybody and

834
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: at least to some problems. I'm just a little yeah, jeez, Okay,

835
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: you know, he's a I believe that he's a dynamite guy.

836
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: There's a really good chance he's a dynamite guy for sure. Yeah. Sure,

837
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: I have no trouble believing that. Now. Throughout all this,

838
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: Desmond continued to fight to convince the laboring class to

839
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: rebel against their capitalist masters. In eighteen ninety three, he

840
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: wrote another poem titled Labor Song for the hilariously named

841
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: Wago Worker, which I assume makes more sense if you

842
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: understand Australia worker. Okay, the Wago work. It's cute, right,

843
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: It's it's like a baby. It's like a it's like

844
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: a baby trying to say maga. Yeah, this is definitely

845
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: the opposite of maga though, well that's well, Robert turned

846
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: the m upside down. What do you have exactly? Wait,

847
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: we're going to read another calm. Oh you bet your asked.

848
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: We're going to read another poem Daniel Office. So this

849
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: was published along with a short one sentence editorial that

850
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: just said, if you vote for the government, you vote

851
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: for your own coffin political So now here, I'm going

852
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: to read labor song above the Senate's brawl, the maddening

853
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: roar for gain? Do you hear the Christmas Carol? The

854
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: felons clanking chains beyond yon prison walls your leg iron

855
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: comrade slaves, While here in marble walls are Harlot's nights

856
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: and knaves, your comrades rotten jail. The hungry cry for bread.

857
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: Your wives are thin and pale. Their hearts are filled

858
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: with dread, and earth resounds with praise and holy heavenly tones,

859
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: while tigers prowl the land to crush your children's bones. Home,

860
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: men of New South Wales hark here the fetters clink?

861
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: Are you but eunuch cherils that only scream and slink?

862
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: If you were virile men, you'd raise your strong right

863
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: arm beard tigers in their din to guard your mates

864
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: from harm. You live the life of dogs. You tug

865
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: and scat and strain. You backed the slaver flogs while

866
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: raking in his gain. You see your sisters starved. You

867
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: see them on the marts. You hear the tigers snarl

868
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: while rending out their hearts. Omen of New South Wales,

869
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: Behold your ruffian horde, who spurn you with their hoof

870
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: and bash you with the sword. Behold the butcher band

871
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 1: that sheer and tan your hide? Have you not grit

872
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: to stand and tame their wolfish pride? You rise to

873
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: voice your wrongs. They club you for your pains. We

874
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: allowed their murderous guns to scatter, splash your brains. They

875
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: steal your public lands, They steal the cash you earn. Hoh,

876
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: cringe to their commands. You're only dogs, not men. And

877
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: glattering halls they feast Harlet's knights and knaves while inside

878
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: prison walls your leg ironed comrade slaves, Homemen of New

879
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: South Wales hark here the fetters clink? Are ye but

880
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: eunuch slaves that only scream and slink? I liked that one.

881
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: That was a better poem, right he's got bad I was.

882
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: I was trying to but know that one slabs that's

883
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: a good one. That's a good poem, and you can

884
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: see where he's He's like, he's still a labor guy.

885
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: He's still on the side of like the working man.

886
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: But he's like Pisto's like, why won't people fucking rebel,

887
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 1: Like this ship has been sucked up for so long

888
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: it just keeps dilus. He's just like you you fucking

889
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: Unix if you were labors. Yeah, yeah, he just you

890
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: had some fucking He's definitely like a misogynist at this point,

891
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: but it's what do you want, right, Okay, So everyone's

892
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: a misogynist and that's normal and good and we love

893
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: that it's not normal like in fairness, like people like

894
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: Emma Goldman, like there's a lot of anarchists who are

895
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: actually like kind of radical about gender equality at this point,

896
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: but Arthur Desmond is not one of them. I genuinely, uh,

897
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: I liked that one. Yeah, it was a good poet.

898
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: I liked the part where I was like, I don't know,

899
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, and they said crush a child's bones

900
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, I like it. Yeah, yeah,

901
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: it's you can. You can. There's something like that's kind

902
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: of understandable there if you like, like most of us,

903
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: I think, have like looked out at the world recently

904
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: been like, why the funk are we letting this ship happen?

905
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: Like that's that that's an understandable impulse to be like

906
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: frustrated by that after so many years. Yeah, no, I

907
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, you know what I like? What? Tell me?

908
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: Tell me I know what products and services you know

909
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: what won't crush your children's bones advertiser or depending on

910
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: what you're in the market for, Yeah, they might crush

911
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: your bones, might crush your bones. You got to be careful.

912
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: Dick the Dick pills will give you a bone to crush. Well, there,

913
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: that could just be a service too, crushing your child's bones.

914
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: I wish we advertised for dominatrix is, but not the

915
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: ones that crushed children's bones, just adult bones. I was

916
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: thinking recently, I wish that a taxidermist would sign on

917
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: with our show. I think, Oh, wouldn't that be cool?

918
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: It would be really nice if there was like a

919
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: punk rock uh taxidermists that was willing to Yeah, put

920
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: in Beachdel cast In and off your taxidermy cocker spaniel.

921
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: I'm interested in like the ads you'd read for that,

922
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 1: do you have too many animal this in your freezer? That? Honestly,

923
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to get my hamster taxidermied, and then I

924
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: forgot that she was in my freezer, and then I

925
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: just kind of flung her out the window. Solid, really solid.

926
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: I dug a small hole, but I didn't put in

927
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: the effort I was planning. Yeah, we all dig a

928
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: lot of small holes in our lives, which is why

929
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: we all need the products and services that support this show.

930
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: Gorgeous pivot. Thank you products, We're back. Yes. So by

931
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: this point in time, Arthur Desmond has written his first

932
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: poem that appeals to Jamie loftus. So I'm glad we

933
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: finally got there. S you finally stand Arthur Desmond um. So,

934
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: As you can see by that poem, he was pretty

935
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: well on his way to being very disenchanted with left

936
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: wing politics. You can hear the frustration and rage at

937
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: the broader masses of the working class and their failure

938
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: to rise up in revolution. The labor government in Australia's

939
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: mild reforms had taken much of the wind out of

940
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: the left sales, and after eighteen ninety three, Desmond's writings

941
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: grew more defamatory towards elected leaders and markedly more anti semitic.

942
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: His authoritarian tendencies also grew more and more pronounced. And

943
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: it's here that we're going to get into some real

944
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: fun left wing political theory discussion. Do you love political theory,

945
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: Jamie love it? Yeah? Now, Desmond was definitely like in

946
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: the anarchists sort of strain of thought by this point

947
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: in time. But obviously that body of political theory is

948
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: is pretty wide. There's a lot of different types of anarchists,

949
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: and the particular variety Desmond seemed to be most sympathetic

950
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: to is called egoism. Now, the simple, partly accurate summary

951
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: of egoism is the idea that self interests should be

952
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: the foundation of morality, and in like the more positive

953
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 1: way to translate that is that like systems that force

954
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: people to act against their own self interests, like capitalism

955
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: forcing a laborer to work in a deadly mind in

956
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: order to make ends meet, like, that's fundamentally unethic goal

957
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: because it forces people to act against their self interest.

958
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: Better name for it than egoism, it needs work. You've

959
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: got some notes on this fringe political theory. Now, lefty

960
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: politics is a complex galaxy of frustratingly different belief systems,

961
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: most of which sound like nonsense to anyone who hasn't

962
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: read a bunch of books by dead men. My definition

963
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: of egoism isn't even super accurate to the egoism practiced

964
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: by most egoists today, because there's roughly as many different

965
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: branches of that theory as there are egoists, which is

966
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: to say about fifty the egoist Twitter. Yeah, there're sure

967
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: is uh the Yeah? They they fucking love. There's this

968
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: guy Max S. Turner who's like probably the most well

969
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: known egoist philosopher people on there's a big chunk of

970
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: people on Twitter who fucking love his ship. Um, which

971
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: I don't understand and will not attempt to analyze. But

972
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: he was a big influence on Arthur Desmond. Starner wrote

973
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: a book called The Ego and his Own Uh and

974
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: I yeah, again, I don't really understand Sterner's writings. They

975
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: seem kind of like, uh, I don't know, like nonsense

976
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: to me, um, But I did find a summary of

977
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: it by a group of hardcore libertarians with the American

978
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: Institute for Economic Research. Max S. Turner's individualist anarchism is

979
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: a way to overcome the horrors of the modern state.

980
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: He envisions a union of rational egoists in a society

981
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: that does not need a ruler. The community of rational

982
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: egoists is a universal commercial society. In fact, the more

983
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: a society is based on voluntary exchange, the less right

984
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: it is and thus less effective the force. Individualist anarchism

985
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: carries its purpose in itself and does not serve a

986
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: higher end. The rational egoist will respect the rights of

987
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: others because he respects himself. He will not be violent

988
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: because he does not want to be attacked. This attitude

989
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: of the individual anarchist stands in sharp contrast to the

990
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: destructive role of the collectivist entities. Individual egoism is the

991
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: answer to the egoism of the collectives. Sterner wrote, my

992
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: cause is neither the divine nor the human. It is

993
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: not the true, the good, the right, the free, etcetera.

994
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: But only mine. And it is not universal, but it

995
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: is unique like me, as I am only I. Nothing

996
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: goes beyond me and myself. I know right, I don't

997
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: like him, No, I don't like him either. Him. He

998
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like he would be I don't agree with him,

999
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: and I don't think he'd be fun to be around. Well.

1000
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: And it's the way that Sterner writes is kind of

1001
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: so broad that there's there's like a right wing and

1002
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: a left wing interpretation of the same book that come

1003
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: to really different conclusions, because there's a lot of Sternerist

1004
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: egoists who are not at all the pro capitalism interpretation

1005
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: and who take a totally different message from it. Again,

1006
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: I've tried to read the book, and I just decided

1007
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 1: to go read about the Syrian Civil War war because

1008
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: that's more uplifting. Um. It's just it's it's it's frustrating

1009
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 1: to me. I don't like political theory. UM. I kind

1010
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: of doubt that Desmond subscribed to the libertarian interpretation of

1011
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: Sterner's ideas because of his hatred of capitalism. Um. And

1012
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: also he was not at all an advocate of non violence,

1013
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: and in fact, in the early eighteen nineties he increasingly

1014
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: became an advocate for extreme violence. He started to write

1015
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: lovingly of man as the fighting, roving, pillaging, lusting, cannibalistic

1016
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: animal par excellence. So he definitely is takes a lot

1017
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: of these egoist ideas and that he is not the

1018
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: pacifist kind. He's not the oh if I don't hurt anyone,

1019
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 1: they won't hurt me. He's the killing, rape and conan,

1020
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: the barbarian kind of fucking egoists. So that's that's, that's

1021
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: where this guy starts turning as his frustration against the

1022
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: failure of the labor movement to rise up like bills right. Yeah.

1023
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: During his last months in Australia, Arthur Desmond started to

1024
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: publish a twenty five page tracked The Survival of the Fittest,

1025
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: which outlines some of his new ideas. In it, he

1026
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: wrote about man's desire to destroy as the thing that

1027
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: makes him the absolute monarch of the world. Now. Desmond

1028
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: was not the progressive sort of lefty either. He viewed

1029
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: women as frail beings at the best of times, and

1030
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 1: wrote for the welfare of the breeds and the security

1031
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: of descent, they must be held through subjection. He promised

1032
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: disaster would follow if quote every these lovable creatures should

1033
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: break loose from mastership and become the rulers or equals

1034
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: of man. Was he single for most of his life. Yeah,

1035
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: he did mayor me a girl that was like twenty

1036
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: something years younger than him when he was an old man,

1037
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: and then she left very quickly after that, and she

1038
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: died in a sanitarium. He does sound absolutely unlovable, I

1039
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: will say that. Yeah, he sounds hard to get along with.

1040
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: You get that feeling from the guy. Yeah, Okay, so

1041
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: he's single and he doesn't like it. He's single and

1042
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: he does not There's actually a lot of in cell

1043
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: stuff like she's frail and I actually don't even care,

1044
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: but I'm just because it needs to be said. One

1045
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: of the things that's interesting about Mike is right, which

1046
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: we're going to cover the book and a lot of

1047
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: the tail in part two. He kind of predicted thirty

1048
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Speaker 1: percent of the internet, um, and not the good you

1049
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: know what. Impressive but not good. He's he's ahead of

1050
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: his time, but not in a positive sense of that phrase,

1051
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: like he's ahead. He's ahead of his time in the

1052
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: same way that like the guy is in the eighteen nineties,

1053
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: who imagined, like the mass bombing campaigns that would be

1054
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: the few Trivi warfare were ahead of their time, like

1055
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: they were right, but not in a good way. But

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00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: also it's like and also, I mean, good for you

1057
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: for predicting something terrible that people were powerless. Yeah, so

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00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: Desmond had other influences besides Sterner. And again I don't

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00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: want to like, I don't want to like lead people

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00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: with the impression that Max Sterner would have necessarily supported

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00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: Desmond's conclusions about like women and all of this stuff

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00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: like this is just like yeah, yeah, I'm not I

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00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: don't know enough about Sterner to say that, but that

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00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: is what Desmond takes out of the writing. Yeah, Desmond

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00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: Dozmen's opinions on women seem more like a hymn thing. Yeah,

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00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: that was going on way before he started identifying as

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00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: an egoist too. He was always yeah, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of you know, male poets who feel that way. No

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00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: misogynist male poets. You would be shocked. Not I'm not

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00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: even think of anyone. Oh I am thinking of someone. Okay,

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00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: never mind, go ahead, I'm gonna keep standing my wokeking

1072
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 1: Reird Kipling, who h I think it is fair to

1073
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: describe as the least racist man in history. There you go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's not let's not fact check that at all. Yeah,

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00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: let's not fact check that in any way, shape or

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00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: form now Desmond had. Desmond had other influences besides Sterner.

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00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: Charles Darwin's writings on natural selection impressed upon him an

1078
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: almost religious belief in the importance of survival of the fittest,

1079
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: which is never a good set of thoughts to head

1080
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: too far down. He also devoured Nietzsche, particularly the anti

1081
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: Semitic bits of Nietzche's theory. All this, combined with his

1082
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: increasingly rapid disdain for the placid working class, turned Desmond

1083
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: from a labor organizer into a man who believed, quote,

1084
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: it is natural for men of power to rule feeble men.

1085
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: And yeah. In eighteen ninety four, the police finally got

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00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: close enough to catching Arthur that he was forced to

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00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: flee to Britain. We don't know precisely what he did

1088
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: during this period. There are stories that he traveled to

1089
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: Manchuria and South Africa, getting up to god knows what.

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00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: By the time he landed in North America in eighteen

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00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: nine five, he had made the full transition from union

1092
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: man to leftist revolutionary to nihilistic egoist. He settled in

1093
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: Chicago and almost immediately published a book, The Survival of

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00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: the Fittest in eighteen nine. We actually have one of

1095
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: the newspaper ads for this home and boy is it something.

1096
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: So this is actually for a later version of the

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00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: book when he changed the title to might is Right.

1098
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: But it's still a good note to end on. So

1099
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read I want, I want Sophie to show

1100
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: you that ad, and I'm going to read it out

1101
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: so it says in big capital letters, might is Right,

1102
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: the only book of its kind ever printed. If you

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00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: don't like this book, don't keep it, send it back

1104
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: at once, and I will refund your money and pay

1105
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: postage both ways. Might is Right or Survival of the

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00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: Fittest by Ragnar Redbeard. This is an historical and scientific

1107
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: revindication of the grand old Anglo Saxon war philosophy they

1108
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: can take who have the power, and they can keep

1109
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: who can and rugged boldness of style and volcanic energy

1110
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: of thought. This epic marking volume is without doubt the

1111
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: most remarkable pronouncement that has appeared in Christendom for fifteen centuries.

1112
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: Ragnar red Beard, taking up the threat of Darwin is

1113
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: Him where Spencer and Fear and Trembling laid it down,

1114
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: points out that The higher type of organism is the warrior,

1115
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: and that battle is the process ordained by nature for

1116
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: de fighting the born subordinates and cowards from born nobles

1117
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: and proprietors. Then war for life and land and love

1118
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: for women, power and gold, this earth and all its

1119
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: treasures vast is booty for the bold, Booty for the ballot,

1120
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: for the bold, the ball Okay, and there's a picture

1121
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: of the cowboy. Yeah, the car of the cowboy on

1122
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: his horse, Like this is just a throbbing penis of

1123
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: an advertisement. It was like, hey, this is just he

1124
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: could have just published a picture of his dick in

1125
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: the paper and it would have worked out. The same

1126
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: boy for the Bold. In the opening of the ad,

1127
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: he also gets defensive for no reason. He's like, yeah, rules,

1128
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: if you don't like it, you can return it. Like, bitch,

1129
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll like it. He's like, no,

1130
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: It's like he's in is a bedding rejection. How could

1131
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: you not like it? Look at the fucking cowboy and

1132
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: he and I would be fucking remiss if I didn't

1133
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: include a little bit of a poem. Yeah, And you

1134
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: can see the cowboy drawing clearly has a big beard, yeah,

1135
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: I think I think that's him as a cowboy. Yeah. God,

1136
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: so you love it, You love it, Jamie. You're gonna

1137
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: be You're gonna be so frustrated. Next episode. We're gonna

1138
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: read a lot from Mida's right next episode, and you

1139
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: are going to be beside yourself. This is like the

1140
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: This is like the fucking founding father of in cells

1141
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: and like the fucking worst parts of the Alt Right. Like,

1142
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: how could I not read this to you, Jamie, It's true,

1143
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: it's it does upset me the most. Yeah, well he

1144
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: had a good run there for a little while. But

1145
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: now he had a good run there for a little while,

1146
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: and then he became the patron saint of men who

1147
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: have a pile of cum socks beside their bed next

1148
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: to their rifle. Just like yeah, just like a gun

1149
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: next to a petrified sock. Just one doesn't flop if

1150
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: you pick it up. The sock is the best case scenario,

1151
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: the worst case scenarios. It's one of those anime pillows.

1152
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: Oh no, Yeah, if he'd been born in modern times,

1153
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: Desmond would have definitely fucked a pillow with a Japanese

1154
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: Wayfoo girl on it. He would have Yeah, he would

1155
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: have gotten one of the pillows with the holes in it.

1156
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: He would have had one. Yeah. Well, Arthur Desmond confirmed

1157
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: for pillow fucking. Yeah, And I'm not saying pillow fucking

1158
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: is a bad thing. I'm just saying he fits the bill.

1159
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: He fits the bill. Now, Jamie, in our next episode,

1160
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: we're going to go into detail about what exactly Arthur

1161
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: laid out in his manifesto, how it was received, and

1162
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: how it continues to influence people today. But that's all

1163
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: going to come on Thursday. For now, Jamie loftus, it's

1164
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: time for you to deliver your manifesto in the form

1165
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: of plugging Yo, plug dobles, okay, plugables. I wanted to

1166
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: plug right now Red Beard's SoundCloud of horrors everyone. I

1167
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: haven't listened to it yet, but I look forward to

1168
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: hearing your thoughts. Please hit my mentions. I will forget

1169
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: that I said this, and I will be confused. I'm

1170
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jamie Lofts Help, and you can listen

1171
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: to me on the Bechtel Cast every Thursday at oh

1172
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: wait and every Thursday period. Yeah, yeah, that's that's And

1173
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: if you're in New Yorker, l A. I'm doing my

1174
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: my one person show that is basically Elizabeth Holmes in October,

1175
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: so you can you can come. Elizabeth Holmes would have

1176
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: really appreciated the wisdom and Mida's right. She she seems

1177
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: about just delusional enough to be into it. Oh, brother,

1178
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: cannot find me on SoundCloud, although once I get canceled,

1179
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: I do plan to start a second career as that

1180
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: would be a great place for you to retreat to. Yeah,

1181
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: you can find me on Twitter when I get unbanned.

1182
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, what we will, well, Jamie, I posted a

1183
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: link to an article that I wrote about a terrorist attack. Uh,

1184
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: they hate that. Twitter banned made for that. Yeah, yeah,

1185
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: they hate it when you hate when you report that's bad. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1186
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's fun. Um. But you can find

1187
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: me presumably by the time this air is hopefully on

1188
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: Twitter at I right, okay. You can find this podcast

1189
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: on Twitter at behind the bat or at bastards pot

1190
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. You can find us on the internet at

1191
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: behind the Bastards dot com along with the sources for

1192
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: this article. Uh, you can buy t shirts, you can

1193
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: buy cups, can buy branded branded tasers, tear gas, grenades,

1194
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 1: whips and chains. Everything you need to make my right

1195
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: in your life off of t public dot com. Just

1196
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: slip up behind the bastards, terrifying, terrifying. Well what else, Robert,

1197
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: what is there? Something else? So? Yeah, don't you have

1198
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: another podcast with Katy Still and Crittie Johnston? Uh those

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01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 1: names aren't familiar to me? What's happening? Who? Maybe does

1200
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: a one pump, one cream mean anything to you? Sir?

1201
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,479
Speaker 1: Now that that now you're speaking my language. I also

1202
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Speaker 1: have a podcast Cody Johnson and Katie Stole about the

1203
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Speaker 1: election called Worst Year Ever. Because it will be the

1204
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: worst year ever. So you can get started this year

1205
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: with some some useful information to help arm you with

1206
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: knowledge for next year. Uh. So that you don't have

1207
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: to arm yourself with sticks and spears. Uh um, so

1208
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Speaker 1: that the end of the episode, next episode, we'll have

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Speaker 1: more poems. Oh good, yo ho yo ho,