Speaker 1: Music Saved Me.
Speaker 2: We're understanding in a much more objective way the power
Speaker 2: of music on the human brain. Do we know that
Speaker 2: it activates our brain like nothing else on earth? You
Speaker 2: know that when you just listen to music, the parts
Speaker 2: of your brain that are responsible for movement, language, attention, memory, emotion,
Speaker 2: all of these things are activated when we just listen
Speaker 2: to music. And there's nothing else on earth that activates
Speaker 2: our brain like music does.
Speaker 3: I'm Lyn Hoffman, and welcome and thank you so much
Speaker 3: for joining us for another episode of the Music Saved
Speaker 3: Me Podcast, the podcast where we discuss the healing powers
Speaker 3: of music with artists and musicians. Now, if you like
Speaker 3: this podcast, we think you'll like our companion podcast called
Speaker 3: Taken a Walk, hosted by the awesome buzz Night. Now,
Speaker 3: today we're taking a slightly different angle with our discussion,
Speaker 3: because today we get to talk about the actual scientific
Speaker 3: connection of music's healing powers with one get this of
Speaker 3: only two hundred and fifty music therapy fellows in the
Speaker 3: world and the creator of the first ever FDA approved
Speaker 3: prescription music product for stroke victims, mister Brian Harris, who
Speaker 3: is also the CEO of med Rhythms, a company he
Speaker 3: founded after carving out a quite remarkable career as a
Speaker 3: neurological music therapist. Brian Harris, Welcome to Music Saved Me.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much. It's really an honor to
Speaker 4: be here.
Speaker 3: Well, this is fascinating stuff because everyone understands that music
Speaker 3: can be very powerful as a tool, but it would
Speaker 3: seem that you have proven, beyond a shadow of a
Speaker 3: doubt that the healing power of music is really far
Speaker 3: bigger than anyone could have ever imagined.
Speaker 4: Am I right, Yeah, it's really incredible.
Speaker 2: I think all of us as humans have the experience
Speaker 2: where music has changed us in some way. It's made
Speaker 2: us feel emotions, happy, sad, etc. But now, through the
Speaker 2: advancements of neurotechnology, neuroimaging, neuroscience, we can begin to understand
Speaker 2: music in a completely different way. And that way is
Speaker 2: really through the objective power that it has to impact
Speaker 2: our brain, which is much bigger than I think what
Speaker 2: we expected or what we've known to date. And it's
Speaker 2: really an exciting time to be doing this work.
Speaker 3: It sure is now I've read I'm going to go
Speaker 3: a little out of order here because usually I like
Speaker 3: to start at the beginning, like where were you when
Speaker 3: things first began. But I read something so powerful yesterday
Speaker 3: that I have to share it with our audience. You said,
Speaker 3: you believe that right now, what you and your colleagues
Speaker 3: know about the power of music through the lens of
Speaker 3: neuroscience and what you're seeing in real clinical practice, is
Speaker 3: that music will change the future of global healthcare. Can
Speaker 3: you explain to us exactly what that means, because it
Speaker 3: sounds so exciting and promising.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is very exciting.
Speaker 2: And I think when we think about that very statement
Speaker 2: that I make in a lot of my presentations when
Speaker 2: I talk about the science, is I believe to my
Speaker 2: core that it will change.
Speaker 4: The future landscape of global healthcare.
Speaker 2: Because number one, we're understanding in a much more objective
Speaker 2: way the power of music on the human brain. That
Speaker 2: we know that it activates our brain like nothing else
Speaker 2: on earth. You know that when you just listen to music,
Speaker 2: the parts of your brain that are wasponsible for movement, language, attention, memory, emotion,
Speaker 2: all of these things are activated when we just listen
Speaker 2: to music. And there's nothing else on earth that activates
Speaker 2: our brain like music does. But it's also been shown
Speaker 2: that when you engage in music, so when we actually
Speaker 2: provide these interventions to our patients that have diagnoses across
Speaker 2: the board from stroke, Parkinson's disease, multiple scrosses, whatever it
Speaker 2: might be, that we can actually improve those functions that
Speaker 2: I just mentioned. So we can help somebody to walk
Speaker 2: better with the power of music, we can help somebody
Speaker 2: speak better with the power of music. And this is
Speaker 2: through objective science that we can see these outcomes. And
Speaker 2: so when you think about the broad applicability of how
Speaker 2: music impacts our brain and literally how it can be
Speaker 2: applied to our patients across the board with a number
Speaker 2: of disease states, the power is there to change the
Speaker 2: landscape of healthcare.
Speaker 4: We just have to implement it the right way.
Speaker 3: So if we could rewind, because that's just incredible news,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure a lot of people are very perked
Speaker 3: up right now to think about the application. Do you
Speaker 3: remember and we're going to get to that, by the way,
Speaker 3: I want to talk about all of this stuff, but
Speaker 3: first I want to know when your first personal connection
Speaker 3: with music was and how it impacted you and made
Speaker 3: you really get interested in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always been a musician. I've loved to play.
Speaker 2: I grew up as a violist first and then learned
Speaker 2: to play the drums and became a drum set player
Speaker 2: and just really loved that. And for me, when I
Speaker 2: think about the moment, there was a singular moment that
Speaker 2: actually changed my life when I witnessed the power of
Speaker 2: music that really threw me down to this trajectory to
Speaker 2: try to answer these questions and try to bring this
Speaker 2: to people. And that moment was when I was in
Speaker 2: my undergrad I went to the University of Maine and
Speaker 2: I took an online course in music therapy that at
Speaker 2: the time was taught by the only private practicing music
Speaker 2: therapist in the state of Maine, so there was very
Speaker 2: very few people that were doing this work. And I
Speaker 2: had an opportunity to intern with him one summer, and
Speaker 2: he was working with children and adults with severe developmental delays.
Speaker 2: And the very first time I ever witnessed music therapy
Speaker 2: in the presence of one of his clients. He was
Speaker 2: working with an eighteen year old that was physically and
Speaker 2: cognitively functioning at about a one year old level, so
Speaker 2: he was wheelchair round, couldn't speak, really had limited interactions
Speaker 2: with his environment at all. And this music therapist was
Speaker 2: not trained at the time in the neuroscience of music,
Speaker 2: but began to do live music with this boy, and
Speaker 2: within about ten minutes of him being in the presence
Speaker 2: of this music, he began to cognitively function at a
Speaker 2: higher level than what anybody in his life had seen before.
Speaker 2: So literally, his family and the people that worked with
Speaker 2: him every day came in the room and they were
Speaker 2: in tears because they couldn't believe how this boy was functioning.
Speaker 2: And it was at that moment in time that literally
Speaker 2: changed my life because I said, a I need to
Speaker 2: be using music in this way. This is my calling
Speaker 2: in life. And number two, if we can understand how
Speaker 2: this happened, And while witnessing this in real time was
Speaker 2: really a magical thing to witness, right, But I said,
Speaker 2: there must be a reason why his brain allowed himself
Speaker 2: to respond this way to music. And if we can
Speaker 2: answer that question, that's when we can really harness the
Speaker 2: power of music and then replicate it to help a
Speaker 2: lot of people. So not trying to take the feeling out,
Speaker 2: but take the magic out and put the science in
Speaker 2: so that we replicate it with more people.
Speaker 3: Well, how did your career path after that happen take
Speaker 3: you to Spalding Rehabilitation Hospital in Boston, which really was
Speaker 3: the genesis of men rhythms, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: After that moment, I decided that I was going to
Speaker 2: get a master's degree in music therapy, to become a
Speaker 2: board certified music therapist and really focus all of my
Speaker 2: energy on understanding the neuroscience of music, but more specifically
Speaker 2: than just the neuroscience of music, but really understanding how
Speaker 2: it can be clinically applied, which is through a sector
Speaker 2: of the field that's called neurologic music therapy that does
Speaker 2: just that. And so I spent a lot of time
Speaker 2: and energy learning and focusing on that, and then went
Speaker 2: to Spalding and I was very fortunate enough to get
Speaker 2: an internship there, and then they turned that internship into
Speaker 2: a full time role, and it was in that role
Speaker 2: of building their music therapy program. I was working primarily
Speaker 2: with stroke and brain injury patients. And after I started
Speaker 2: their program there, what we were seeing was that patients
Speaker 2: were getting better, faster, with greater results. And we now
Speaker 2: had the neuroscience to not only explain how it was possible,
Speaker 2: but also how we could standardize and replicate it so
Speaker 2: we could tell you here's why this patient's able to
Speaker 2: walk better, faster, etc. When we do this intervention, and
Speaker 2: here's how we can replicate this intervention with different patients,
Speaker 2: and we would see these replicable outcomes. And so very
Speaker 2: quickly after I started that program, that demand for the
Speaker 2: services within the hospital, so from doctors who are asking
Speaker 2: me to see their patients, but also from patients and
Speaker 2: their family members who were saying, you know, Brian, you
Speaker 2: helped my dad walk again.
Speaker 4: How do I get more of this when I leave
Speaker 4: the hospital?
Speaker 2: And at the time when I was delivering this care
Speaker 2: in the hospital, the answer was there's nothing you can do.
Speaker 2: And really, you know, as a clinician, that was really
Speaker 2: an awful conversation they have with patients and their family
Speaker 2: members on a regular basis. And so it was really
Speaker 2: based upon those results that we were seeing in the
Speaker 2: clinic and the demand that we were seeing that we
Speaker 2: started med Rhythms really around that fundamental mission of how
Speaker 2: can we bring this important care from inside the hospital
Speaker 2: to patients around the world that we believe not only
Speaker 2: need it, but really fundamentally deserve to have access to it.
Speaker 4: And that was really the genesis of the company.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, first of all, I don't know how many
Speaker 3: of us, even hearing you talk right now, knew that
Speaker 3: there was anything like music therapy that was offered, let
Speaker 3: alone all the way up the chain into neuroscience and
Speaker 3: what you're doing. So congratulations on bringing it to the forefront.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about med rhythms and how neuroscience
Speaker 3: and music intersect, specifically intersect, because it's fascinating and I'm
Speaker 3: guessing it's like in your company name, rhythm has a
Speaker 3: lot to do with it.
Speaker 1: Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Yeah, rhythm has a lot to do with it, and
Speaker 2: rhythm is a primary driver of the brain functions in
Speaker 2: terms of how we see outcomes. It's a really important
Speaker 2: queue for the human brain that allows it to function
Speaker 2: more efficiently and activates parts of the brain that other
Speaker 2: things can't.
Speaker 1: Can you give it?
Speaker 3: I heard you speak about things like live preferred music
Speaker 3: and neuroplasticity, and I know that's very scientific for people
Speaker 3: listening right.
Speaker 1: Now, they're like, oh, wait a minute, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about?
Speaker 3: But I mean a specific example maybe of what you've
Speaker 3: witnessed beyond what we just talked about in terms of
Speaker 3: using your product, which we're going to get to exactly
Speaker 3: what it is, but rhythms, meaning like people walking on
Speaker 3: a rhythm, or how certain things connect in the brain
Speaker 3: to make you understand that you need to do more
Speaker 3: with your speech or your movement after suffering from a stroke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what's really amazing about the power of music,
Speaker 2: and if we think about rhythms specifically, what the research
Speaker 2: shows is that when we as humans and these are
Speaker 2: this is objective neuroscience, so regardless of age or culture,
Speaker 2: or ability or disability, everybody's brain objectively responds the same
Speaker 2: to music. And when we think about rhythm, what's really
Speaker 2: exciting about that is what the research shows is that
Speaker 2: when we hear an external rhythm in our environment, like
Speaker 2: the rhythm of music, that it activates the auditory system
Speaker 2: of the human brain. So the part of your brain
Speaker 2: that's responsible for hearing because you hear the rhythm, but
Speaker 2: that the auditory system and the motor system, so the
Speaker 2: part of your brain that's responsible for movement are actually
Speaker 2: richly connected at both what we call the conscious and
Speaker 2: the subconscious levels in the brain, such that you can
Speaker 2: use an external rhythm to activate the motor system or
Speaker 2: the part of your brain that's responsible for movement.
Speaker 1: Can give me an example of that real yes.
Speaker 2: And so what this means for typically for people who
Speaker 2: are neurologically healthy, is that that's the reason why when
Speaker 2: we listen to music that has a strong beat to it,
Speaker 2: we want to tap our feet, we want to move
Speaker 2: our bodies, we want to tap our fingers. That's not
Speaker 2: an emotional reaction to music. That's the rhythm literally telling
Speaker 2: our motor system to fire. And if you ever wanted
Speaker 2: to actually test this out, I would encourage you to either,
Speaker 2: you know, listen to music that has a strong beat
Speaker 2: to it, try to tap along to the beat of
Speaker 2: the music.
Speaker 4: You'll be able to do that very easily and quickly.
Speaker 2: And then if you try to do the same thing
Speaker 2: but not tap along to the beat of the music,
Speaker 2: it's nearly impossible for you to not entrain what we
Speaker 2: call entrainment, which is like moving to the beat.
Speaker 4: Of the music.
Speaker 2: It's nearly impossible because the rhythm is literally giving your
Speaker 2: motor system a signal to fire. And in order for
Speaker 2: you to not move along to the rhythm, you actually
Speaker 2: have to come up with some sort of strategy cognitively
Speaker 2: to not listen to what's in your environment. So what's
Speaker 2: amazing about that is that That also applies to those
Speaker 2: who have damage to the motor system stroke, Parkinson's disease, etc.
Speaker 2: We can use an external rhythm to engage the part
Speaker 2: of their brain that's responsible for movement, and when we
Speaker 2: do that, it improves their walking ability, it improves their
Speaker 2: clinical outcomes.
Speaker 3: And what about with speech, because I do know that
Speaker 3: stroke sufferers do have a really hard time expressing what
Speaker 3: they're thinking in their mind getting it out of their mouth,
Speaker 3: and that's going to be extremely frustrating for people who
Speaker 3: are still in the prime of their lives trying to
Speaker 3: get through it.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a game changer for people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And as we think specifically about language, what's really
Speaker 2: fascinating is that these patients who have it's called aphasia
Speaker 2: as a clinical term, that which is the inability to
Speaker 2: speak language. But we've noticed that many times people who
Speaker 2: can't speak can sing. So they have no expressive language,
Speaker 2: but they could sing lines of songs. And the reason
Speaker 2: why that is is because, as I mentioned earlier, music
Speaker 2: really activates the entire brain, and the speech center of
Speaker 2: the brain is localized to one very specific area. So
Speaker 2: if there's damage to that speech center, we can use
Speaker 2: music to activate the rest of the brain to help
Speaker 2: improve the language outcomes and essentially teach the brain to
Speaker 2: use the undamaged parts of the brain to speak language.
Speaker 2: So we teach people to speak again through what looks
Speaker 2: like singing.
Speaker 3: That's incredible, absolutely incredible. You and your team, as I
Speaker 3: mentioned upfront in the intro, created the first product for this.
Speaker 3: I can't even believe I'm saying it, but you created
Speaker 3: the first product for stroke survivors listed with the FDA.
Speaker 3: Can you tell us about the world's first prescription music product,
Speaker 3: now there's a prescription I would.
Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, it's certainly it's an exciting moment for us.
Speaker 2: I mean, especially as a as a music therapist to
Speaker 2: be bringing the science but also bringing this application into
Speaker 2: the world and the The product that we've built is
Speaker 2: a product that's called our first product for chronic stroke survivors,
Speaker 2: is called in Tandem, and it essentially uses rhythm to
Speaker 2: help patients improve their walking who have had a stroke.
Speaker 2: And it uses an intervention that's called rhythmic auditory stimulation.
Speaker 4: So we're using rhythm to activate.
Speaker 2: The auditory system, which act activates the part of the
Speaker 2: brain that's responsible for a movement to improve those outcomes.
Speaker 2: As we were building the product, we did multiple successful
Speaker 2: clinical trials, so we believe that it worked. I saw
Speaker 2: that it would work in clinic when I was doing
Speaker 2: it with live music treating patients in the hospital, And
Speaker 2: essentially I taught the product how to think like a
Speaker 2: clinician because we wanted it to be able to be
Speaker 2: delivered autonomously in the home setting, without the need of
Speaker 2: a clinician to be present. So we built a product
Speaker 2: that has sensors that connect to the shoe that collect
Speaker 2: clinical grade data about how patients are walking. That data
Speaker 2: feeds into an algorithm that's based upon a mobile device,
Speaker 2: and then we deliver music via Ahead fund and the
Speaker 2: core being these algorithms where I essentially I taught the algorithm.
Speaker 2: You know, when you see X data from the walking,
Speaker 2: do why with the music? When you see why data
Speaker 2: come in, do zee with the music. And because of that,
Speaker 2: it can be an autonomous system where every patient gets
Speaker 2: a customize intervention based upon how they're walking in that moment.
Speaker 2: But we had to go through multiple successful clinical trials
Speaker 2: really in a clinically rigorous way, right, because if we're
Speaker 2: going to claim about the product or we want it
Speaker 2: to be used with patients. It's really important for us
Speaker 2: that we believe that it can work and that we
Speaker 2: prove that it can work. And so we did multiple
Speaker 2: successful clinical trials there and then we were able to
Speaker 2: list it with the FDA as a Class two prescription
Speaker 2: medical device, and then you know, now on our way
Speaker 2: to actually bringing it to patients who needed and that's
Speaker 2: a very long process. I set it in about thirty seconds.
Speaker 2: That's a very long, years long process to get through that,
Speaker 2: to demonstrate its efficacy, and now we're at a point
Speaker 2: where we can begin to bring into the patients who
Speaker 2: need it.
Speaker 3: Brian, I watched a video from twenty eighteen where you
Speaker 3: showed someone who had survived a stroke walking with a
Speaker 3: lot of help doing therapy, and minutes after you did
Speaker 3: a test with them with that rhythm, the therapy that
Speaker 3: you were talking about. This is back in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 3: and they showed him walking totally different, like immediate, It
Speaker 3: was almost immediate. So after seeing that, I was I
Speaker 3: just can't even describe to you what I was thinking.
Speaker 3: And I here we are twenty twenty five, and you're
Speaker 3: like on the cusp of everything exploding in such a
Speaker 3: fantastic way. Another thing that gets me excited is you
Speaker 3: have a collaboration with a number of partners, including Universal
Speaker 3: Music who is incredible too.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us about that.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm tearing up here because I'm just thinking
Speaker 3: about the applications and how many people you're gonna help
Speaker 3: and it's phenomenal.
Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate the comment.
Speaker 2: It's exciting for us too, and you know, our partnership
Speaker 2: with Universal Music Group has been amazing. And you know,
Speaker 2: we use music obviously as we deliver for the intervention,
Speaker 2: and what the research shows is that if you can
Speaker 2: do rhythmic auditory stimulation, so this intervention with music that
Speaker 2: people like, it actually enhances the clinical outcomes. But also,
Speaker 2: in addition to enhancing the clinical outcomes, we want people
Speaker 2: to do this on their own and their home, so
Speaker 2: we want it to be engaging and we want it
Speaker 2: to be motivating, and so we worked with Universal Music
Speaker 2: Group to actually get access to their catalog of music,
Speaker 2: so you know a number of different artists that patients
Speaker 2: can choose from, so they get to choose the music
Speaker 2: that they love, and then our algorithms essentially make it
Speaker 2: therapeutically valuable for them and it's really been an honor
Speaker 2: to work. I mean for me coming up from a
Speaker 2: musician's background becoming a clinician, to have the music industry
Speaker 2: engage what we're doing in what we're doing in such
Speaker 2: a profound and exciting way. UMG has just been amazing
Speaker 2: partners to us. I mean, they've made it very clear
Speaker 2: that they care about our patients, which is what I
Speaker 2: care about the most, but that they're supporting us across
Speaker 2: the board. And that's really been an amazing partnership from us.
Speaker 2: Because we're also as we build the product, right, you know,
Speaker 2: we have to demonstrate the music aspect. We have to
Speaker 2: demonstrate the clinical efficacy. You know, this is not just
Speaker 2: here's a random playlist for you to listen to while
Speaker 2: you walk, because we know that that doesn't work to
Speaker 2: yield outcomes. We have to pair the user experience and
Speaker 2: the music with our own clinical algorithms to show that
Speaker 2: we can actually make a clinical change in these patients' lives.
Speaker 4: And UMG has been a really important part of.
Speaker 3: That certainly, and such exciting stuff to look forward to.
Speaker 3: Can I what does it look like the device? I
Speaker 3: know that sounds like an odd question, but I'm trying
Speaker 3: to envision what this is. Is it just like an
Speaker 3: earpiece or yeah.
Speaker 2: So the kit has three components. There's two biomechanical footborn sensors,
Speaker 2: so they actually are small sensors that are I guess
Speaker 2: about the size of two thumbs together. That clip onto
Speaker 2: any shoe, so a patient can wear any shoe that
Speaker 2: they want, as long as a safe shoe for them
Speaker 2: to wear. Clip the sensor on. Then there's a mobile device,
Speaker 2: so a small mobile device that has just our application
Speaker 2: on it. And then there's a set of headphones. All
Speaker 2: of that is Bluetooth connected. Before a patient gets in,
Speaker 2: so all they have to do is open the product
Speaker 2: and put it on. So they connect the sensor one
Speaker 2: to each shoe, they start the program on the mobile device,
Speaker 2: and then they put the headphones on they begin to walk.
Speaker 2: As they begin to walk, the sensors are collecting the
Speaker 2: data about how they're walking, which is all the things
Speaker 2: that I would be looking at as a clinician if
Speaker 2: I was treating a patient.
Speaker 4: That data is feeding.
Speaker 2: Into the algorithm, and then the music that they hear
Speaker 2: is changing based upon how they're walking, and throughout a
Speaker 2: real thirty minute session, the music's changing to actually drive
Speaker 2: them to walk faster with better quality. So it's pushing
Speaker 2: them again, it's not just a random playlist. It's actually
Speaker 2: modifying what they're hearing such that it's pushing them to
Speaker 2: improve their walking speed and their walking quality.
Speaker 3: Now, not just stroke victims, Brian's helping with auditory issues
Speaker 3: and mobile issues, but also I read something about the
Speaker 3: potential breakthroughs in Parkinson's. Do you see that on the horizon?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an exciting time as we think about what
Speaker 2: the real power here is of music. And as I mentioned,
Speaker 2: we've seen it practically as we're treating patients clinically across
Speaker 2: a number of diagnoses that this can be really helpful
Speaker 2: for them. At med Rhythms, we've developed a product that
Speaker 2: does rhythmic auditory stimulation for walking, and we've done two
Speaker 2: successful clinical trials thus far in Parkinson's disease and are
Speaker 2: working through what the next steps may look like for
Speaker 2: that product as well. So it's exciting as we continue
Speaker 2: to expand across these diagnosis to really understand what the
Speaker 2: power of this could be.
Speaker 3: Wow, the power of this is just exponential in the world,
Speaker 3: and we're right on the precipice right now with AI
Speaker 3: exploding in ways that we haven't even begun to realize
Speaker 3: that are going to be so incredibly helpful to us,
Speaker 3: and we shouldn't be scared of it. We should embrace it.
Speaker 3: It's only going to help us. It's like taking a
Speaker 3: vitamin supplement. This is just going to supplement all the
Speaker 3: things that we do to the one hundredth power. And
Speaker 3: you're doing it. You're living proof, which is incredible. So first,
Speaker 3: I'm not worthy to even have you on the show.
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like I'm humbled by what you're doing,
Speaker 3: and I'm so excited for you and your team in
Speaker 3: the future. And if there's any way that we can
Speaker 3: help move that needle with you in the future by
Speaker 3: any means, we'd love to partner with you on that.
Speaker 3: And thank you for the amazing work of med Rhythms
Speaker 3: and for coming on music Save Me to talk about
Speaker 3: it is how can our listeners learn more before I
Speaker 3: let you go?
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that, and I just want to say
Speaker 2: it's an honor for me to be here, and it's
Speaker 2: an honor for me to do this work. Every day
Speaker 2: I get excited and I feel privileged that I have
Speaker 2: the opportunity to be using music in this way and
Speaker 2: more importantly, doing what we can to make an impact
Speaker 2: in the lives of people.
Speaker 4: Who need it.
Speaker 2: People want to learn more about the company, they can
Speaker 2: go to www. Dot Medrhythms dot com and we also
Speaker 2: have our first product is called in Tandem. They can
Speaker 2: also go to in tandemarx dot com as well to
Speaker 2: learn more about that specific product.
Speaker 3: And I also want to let everyone know that you're
Speaker 3: not paying to be on this show. This is not
Speaker 3: a commercial for your product. This is really collaborative people
Speaker 3: who want to help the greater good coming together to
Speaker 3: share to hopefully change lives for the better.
Speaker 1: And so I thank you for that as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you. It's certainly an honor and a privilege,
Speaker 4: So thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Thanks to meet you, Brian