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This was 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:59.000 originally suggested by Grace via email in like April two 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:03.320 thousand and fifteen, a while ago, which seems weird because 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:05.360 that does literally seem like that was a few months 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:09.800 ago to me, but like the middle of the summer. 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.960 I know, I'm not really ready for that idea yet. Um, 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:18.080 but this is a mystery that I've known about for 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:20.880 a while and has been on my radar for a while. 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.440 It's just this side of five years old. So we're 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:26.520 gonna do it perfect. I'm just gonna do a quick 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.600 little summary. Rebecca was four years old when she disappeared 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.920 from a cruise ship. Yes, we're doing cruise ship mystery. No, 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:42.480 it's not the one you want or that other. There 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.360 are lots of them, but we'll talk about that in 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.800 a minute. And you know, I think this is on 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.600 that drinking game that people keep talking about. But you 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:51.400 may or may not know that I worked on a 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:55.240 cruise ship for a while. And actually, um, the reason 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.800 that I know about this case is I've known about 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:01.240 it pretty much since it happened because the first ship 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:05.640 that Rebecca worked on ported in this same ports as 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.480 my ship did twice a week. I believe it was 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.200 three times a week, twice a week, and then my 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.120 last day on a cruise ship was literally like three 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:18.679 days after she disappeared. Okay, so what doing story? Yeah, 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:22.359 let's do the story. Yeah, because there's a whole bunch here. 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.040 There's there's quite a lot of story, a lot of 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.200 stuff here. Yeah, it seems kind of a simpler mystery 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.000 when you first sent it over, So I was really 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.760 surprised at how much content there was. Yeah, yeah, there's 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.080 there's like why people are exciting about it, Yeah, maybe 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:40.480 kind of it's a little mysterious. Rebecca was attending Plymouth 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:44.560 University studying Sports Science and Youth studies. When she was 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.240 a teen, she was a British Army cadet and she 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:52.680 taught UM sports at Camp America in Maine. Rebecca was 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.560 from Chester, England. In two thousand ten, Rebecca interviewed for 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.640 Disney Cruise Lines and was offered a job which is 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.960 actually pretty competitive, unlike the ship I was on. She 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.680 got to go to Disneyland in Florida for training, which 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:11.160 I'm super jealous about. Disney World, right, Disney World, Yeah, 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.400 in Florida. I want to go to the one in China. 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.160 It just opened. Actually a friend who opened that one 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.880 really yeah, really interested in she's the lead of the 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:25.079 pyrotechnics department there. It's really cool because if it euro 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.480 Disney and it's a trip to be in Disneyland in 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:30.200 another language, and I sort of maybe kind of know 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.120 some of what's going on, but I'd really like to 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:37.200 see it in the one that's in China. Was Yeah, 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.080 I want China. I want to go see that replica 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:42.560 of the Titanic that guy's building. Yeah, it's gonna be awesome, 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:44.800 Yes it is. I want to see the miniature reproduction 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:49.680 of the Great Wall of Okay, so Rebecca was placed 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.880 on the Disney Dream. I'm pretty sure that's the one. Uh, 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.240 it never really says, but that was the one that 0:03:56.400 --> 0:04:00.000 I was with, and it's the contract that it looked 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.640 like she was on. So and for the record, I 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.200 keep saying this, I never met Rebecca or anything like that, 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.560 so I don't worry m but I know people who 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.600 worked with her. So, so she was on a four 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:13.320 month contract. She did a two month vacation in between contracts, 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.720 which is pretty typical, and then she did her next 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.520 contract on the Disney Wonder, which ports out of l A. 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:22.000 And I think her first cruise was actually relocate cruise 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:25.680 because when they talk about her time on that cruise ship, 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.640 they talk about going through the Panama Panama Canal, and 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:32.400 a relocate for those who are unfamiliar, is outwardly facing 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.640 called the repositioning, which basically a lot of cruise ships 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.960 do winter kind of bad months in the Bahamas and 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:43.560 Eastern Caribbean and then they come over and do the 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:47.360 West Coast Caribbean and yeah of the United States and 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:51.040 the Alaska cruises during the summer, so they have to reposition. 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.360 Basically they go, you know, through the Panama Now and up, 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.880 and it's usually a fourteen day trip, and um, guests 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.400 can go on those trips, but also you know, obviously 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:03.040 the crew has to be on board at the same time. Probably, Yeah, yeah, 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.119 they do. Although I you know, I was really jealous. 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:07.720 I saw when the Wonder was going over for the 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:09.560 first time. It was a brand new ship and they 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:13.560 did their Atlantic crossing without any passengers because it was 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.040 brand new ship, but they had crew. And then they 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.640 also did their first run of their three day loop 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.080 without any passengers, and so you would look over and 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.880 it was just crew members. Like we had these big 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.200 laundry buckets that you would, you know, dump all the 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.800 laundry into, and they were just like running down the 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:35.840 promenade like racing each other like it was, and they 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:37.599 got to just they had the fore run of the ship, 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:39.680 and you know, these ships are big, they're made for 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:43.200 a lot of people, and it was just the crew. Yeah, 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:47.160 because really awesome. I was so jeal because normally, as 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:48.920 a crew member, you can't go into all the fun 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.760 party areas where the guests are some you we'll talk 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.480 a little bit more about the culture of cruise ships 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.880 in a minute, but you some people can like I could, um, 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:00.880 but not very many people. You did mention something that 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.480 I want listeners to understand, which is the sheer scale 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.040 of these ships. Oh yeah, I pulled up the maps 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.440 they are and these were they these were the small ships. Well, 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.120 these were the maps that were the ones that are 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.080 available on the internet from Disney that show you know, 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.960 so you can pick your room, what what deck you 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.400 want to be on, and it's still so much space, 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.040 let alone all the areas that passengers don't get to 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.000 go to. Those I actually looked at those maps. They're 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:31.960 pretty representative. It's just like three decks below that they have. Yeah, 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.520 those ships are so gigantic that I expect it's to 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.640 be another five or six decks down there. Well, you 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.000 can't go too far down because you get into the mechanics. 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:42.560 That's what. Well, that's what i'm including when oh you 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:44.719 are then, yeah, I guess I don't I don't actually 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:48.720 know the actual scope of I don't want um, but yeah, 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:52.760 they're pretty representative of what But they're giants. When you 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.760 look at these rooms and there the average cab and 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:57.560 I think it was on this Disney ship was two 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.440 square foot. Yeah, that's a big to me. That's the 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.200 big round on a ship that is actually quite a 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.800 bit room. But did you look at the map. There 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:10.280 are thousand and two thousand square foot suites that are 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.040 just I couldn't imagine those things. But of course they're 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.559 way high up, but it's just it's a huge ship. 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.040 Tons and tons of room, tons and tons of always 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:22.080 get lost on those things. Member crew members that probably 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.480 have like thirty six square feet, you know, they're little 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.600 in their little cell closet. It's yeah, it's less than that. 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:33.640 The Yeah, so there are rooms uh that are I 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.080 would say, yeah, probably about thirty six square feet, but 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.320 you share that with like three or four people because 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:41.600 it's bunk. It's bunk. It's four bunks up. It's it's 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:45.000 four bunks tall. So you've got the four bunks and 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.920 then there's a little there's a tiny little wardrobe for 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.440 each person that's built into the wall. And then there's 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:54.720 two desks, spaces, and um four safe and that's it. 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:58.160 Oh and a bathroom. Well actually in those ones, I 0:07:58.200 --> 0:07:59.680 don't think they had the room that I was in. 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:01.920 I had a bathroom in mind, but I mean it's 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.320 the kind of bathroom where the whole thing is the shower. 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.040 You know, there's a drain in the middle of the floor. Yeah, 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.640 it's like that. I think I let us astray there. 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:14.400 Sorry about that. It's okay. I mean, it's all stuff 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.400 that we will end up talking about. Almost true. Rebecca 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.920 was a youth worker. I think Disney actually calls them 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:25.760 youth activities counselors, which seems like still an oddly normal 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:29.160 name for Disney. You know, this is the kind of 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.400 place where Disneyland. I think everybody's called a cast member. 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.760 All cast members use activities. Counselors are basically there to 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:42.360 keep their babysitters, keep the kids busy. Drink, Yeah, it's 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:46.000 go drink. Yeah, I know that sounds really awful, but 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:47.960 it's true. If you've ever been on a cruise ship, 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.440 you know that's what you do, is you go drink. 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.080 I went on a cruise and it was no kids allowed, 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.360 and it was the greatest thing ever at first, until 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:00.560 I realized how drunk all the people around me were. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:04.400 are they all inclusive affairs? I mean, do you get 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:06.520 all your your food and booze? Well, okay, so I 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.640 don't know how DCL works. I'm sorry. Disney Cruise Lines 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.319 I'm going to call it dc L. But the line 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.839 that I was on, which I will not name, is 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:19.240 the kind of thing where there are certain restaurants and 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.960 buffets on the ship that are included, and then there 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.120 are others that you pay on top of your feet. 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:29.520 And I don't think any of the bars, except for 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:34.720 of course the casino bar, were a complementary. But there 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.640 were a lot of events where you could get complementary alcohol, 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:39.880 Like when you boarded the ship that I was on, 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.280 they handed you a hurricane. A lot of the ships 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.320 charge you for the booze because that's where they're making 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:48.480 some serious I have I have family that would go 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.920 on at least two cruises a year, and they were 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:56.600 always packing their cocktail mix in their luggage. And you 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.800 have to pack it in uh you know, like mouthwasher 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:02.480 some thing like that Bill coffin skate. You're not allowed 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.840 to bring liquor on. Do they actually look at your luggage? 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:09.600 Yeah they do. Yeah, it's rather cheeky. Why it goes. 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.760 It has to go through a scanner and everything. Are 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.560 you kidding me? Do you imagine? Can you imagine a 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.760 bomb on a boat? I guess that's true. I'm just 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:23.480 saying this, like, boats are scary enough as is, So 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.120 let's talk a little bit about Rebecca again. That's a 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:29.440 good idea. Rebecca was described as generally a happy person, 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.360 a kind of a prankster, all around upbeat. You have 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:38.000 to Disney. Well, it's interesting. There's an article we're going 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:42.240 to reference a lot, which is the Guardian article. And 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.880 the author of that went on a on a Wonder 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.600 cruise and he was talking to somebody who one of 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.720 the guys who was re varnishing railing and he said, 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:54.920 you know, okay, so what's it like actually though, you know, 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.000 what are you guys like actually? And he was like, no, no, 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.320 it's not an act. Would you kind of have to say? 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.440 But I think that the people who get hired for 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:07.880 Disney versus other cruise lines are Disney people. There generally, 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.440 there's a certain there's a certain brand of people who 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.360 like working on a ship for Disney, just like there's 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:16.520 a certain brand of people who love to work at 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:21.120 the theme parks. If it was me, they'd never hired 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.520 me because they know I would have gone psychotic in 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.760 the Goofy costume two days in absolutely and going to 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.120 work with the public and all that you've got a 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:34.160 kind of a happy person. There's a natural inclination that 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.720 they're looking for. Yeah, and it's you know, Disney specific. 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.400 I mean, I got hired on a cruise ship, so 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:42.360 anybody could, but you have to find the right one. 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:46.800 It also sounds like she had a partner or a 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:48.920 lover on the ship, but we'll kind of get to 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.880 that later. Yeah, I question of that, but I do too. Yeah, 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:56.880 onto the story. On March eleven, the Wonder pulled out 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.800 of the l A Harbor, heading on a normal voyage 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.360 down to the Mexican Riviera. Rebecca sent a Facebook message 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.080 to her parents saying she was planning to call the 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.959 next day. Later that night, Rebecca was hanging out with 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.040 one of her friends in the crew area, and she 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:14.480 referred to it as a secret corridor. And we'll talk 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:18.600 about that later too. The that Guardian article, the author 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:22.319 actually spoke with that friend that that Rebecca was hanging 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.199 out with, and he called her Melissa, which I don't 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.240 think it's her real name, but we're going to use 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.120 Melissa because that's the only name I have for her. 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.240 And she said, you know, she said they were hanging 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.439 out in this secret corridor. Which really just means on 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.520 monitored crew hall, which there are some. Again, you know, 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:39.920 we'll talk about that in a little bit. Melissa reports 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.840 that Rebecca had been trying to peel her fake eyelashes off. 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.480 Seemed vaguely like the sort of thing that she would 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.920 do when she was drunk. You know, that's sort of 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:53.320 like drunk person Melissa's fake fake eyelashes. But she had 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:55.560 just gotten off work, so I don't think she was drunk. 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.760 And that's highly frowned upon, isn't it. I'm drunk. Well, 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:00.920 and again we'll talk sure about that in a little bit. 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.400 I don't want to break up this story too much, um, 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.400 so we'll circle back around to that. I would think 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:09.280 there'd be nothing else to do. Again, we'll circle back, Okay, Yeah. 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.520 Melissa says that Rebecca asked her she was going to 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.960 go to the crew bar tonight or that night, I guess, 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.240 and Melissa said she would, but ended up not doing so. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.360 And then I haven't been able to find the CCTV 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.440 footage of this next part, so please keep that in mind. 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:27.880 But apparently at AM, Rebecca was on one of the 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.600 internal phones with someone, and reports are that she seemed 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.480 kind of distraught, and she hangs up the phone and 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.280 another crew member walks up to her and appears to 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.480 ask if she's okay. This is CCTV, so there's no sound, 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:43.400 and I have seen actually still some of this footage, 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.480 and I can't I really can't see how they can 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.800 even recognize whether it's Rebecca, much less whether she's distraught 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.120 or not, because it's so fuzzy, it's so low rich. Well, 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.720 it's hard to tell if it's you know, with the 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.360 low rez stuff. Sometimes it's easier to actually tell what's 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.160 going on when it is moving than it is from 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.240 screen caps. And then again I don't know, since I 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.400 haven't seen the footage, I don't know if it's actual 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.720 screen caps or somebody took a picture with a crappy 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.559 phone or what I've seen. I've seen. I've seen that 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.040 the only thing we've all seen probably the same two 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:15.120 or three images, and they are extremely hard to tell 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:19.680 what's going on. So I questioned it too, It's like okay, sure, yeah, well, 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.040 so apparently she seems distraught and then her crew member. 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:24.920 The fellow crew member walks up to her and says, 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.200 are you okay? And she appears to respond yeah, fine, 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.960 and people report this is a clear lip reading. There's 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.520 reports that the phone call was recorded, but I'm I 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:36.880 don't I'm not sure if that's true or not. That's 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:38.960 what that's what I heard. But that's kind of creepy 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:43.320 that they're recording everybody's internal phone calls. That's a that's 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:46.680 a massive amount of data. Did you think about the 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:50.440 massive Well, that's why I'm not so yeah, that's why 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.200 I don't. I don't just call the all the all 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.400 the camera footage. Yeah, yeah, I think I think it's 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:59.280 likely that they have phone records. I mean, I think 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.520 I think that Disney's telling the truth when they say 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.120 that they know who the call was between, but I 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.680 don't think they know what was said. That's silly. I 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:10.800 agree with that. Anyway. Rebecca walks down the hall. She's 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.200 seen quote pushing her hair back and putting her hands 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.640 in her back pockets unquote, which is apparently typical behavior 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.080 for her according to her parentscorn to her parents and 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.240 her friends, and then that's the last time anybody's ever 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:26.240 seen her, at least officially. Officially. Rebecca was scheduled to 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.240 start a shift at nine am on March twenty two, 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:32.080 but when she failed to show up, um, they obviously 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:35.120 raised the alarm and paged her and checked her room 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.680 and searched the ship and nothing. And this is very 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.800 important to note because you will see this overlooked in 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.840 almost everything. It's very important to know that the night 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:50.240 of the One was a s eday. And what that means, 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.040 for those of you who don't know what that is, 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.680 is that the ship did not port at all. It 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.600 left l A. And between the time that it left 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:03.120 l A and the time Rebecca disappeared, it was in 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:07.240 the middle of the sea the entire time as soon. Yes, 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.600 I mean, they never go so far that it's insane. Well, 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:13.920 I mean sometimes they do, but on these routes, they're 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.800 pretty close to the sea, but it's you don't You don't. Yeah, 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.200 I'm pretty close to the land, but you don't see 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:23.800 it pretty dang close in fact. Yeah, So that's very 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.480 important for a lot of reasons. But I'm just going 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:29.120 to keep mentioning that. And they did search the entire 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:33.080 ship before they made port. Very important. Cool. There was 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.720 an early report that UH fellow crew member said that 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:41.320 they had seen Rebecca go overboard at three am. Obviously, 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:45.160 with the discovery of the CCTV footage that is incorrect. 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.320 And also, I will just go ahead and state that 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:51.120 if you see someone go overboard, you call a code. 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.760 You don't just ignore it and go to bed. You 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:57.200 notify the bridge. And if you don't actually for somebody 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.640 come forward and say, yeah, I saw somebody go overboard 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.080 at three am, but I didn't notify anyone and didn't 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.960 try to render help. Could be a terminable offense if 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:11.400 not having charges. Yeah, because you're responsible for their death basically, 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:15.200 not I mean, not entirely, but basically. So I think 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.840 that that's been added to the story, if I'm honest. 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:24.760 But that's just my opinion. Man. Admit that the Wonder 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.760 and the crew of the Wonder did report. They called 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.600 it in. You know, they let the Coastguard know, They 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.320 let the Navy know, the Mexican Navy know, They let 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:37.320 pretty much everybody in the area know. We're missing a 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.880 crew member. We don't really know when we lost this crewmember, 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.240 but please can you help us look for her? So 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.800 the US Coastguard and the Mexican Navy did search the 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.159 international waters that the Wonder was sailing through in the 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.639 time that they thought she might have gone overboard. I 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.080 think they kind of first they were thinking maybe it 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.480 was three am, and then they found the CCTV footage 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.560 and then they thought, okay, so in between probably six 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.760 am and nine am, she went overboard, and I think 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.639 they probably used some deductive reasoning and thinking probably it 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:09.400 was before daylight. It is reported that the seas were 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.679 rough at that time, so it's pretty unlikely that she 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:16.399 would have just been, you know, floating there waiting for 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:20.040 somebody to come find her calms bottle water. Yeah, but 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.480 I heard that that night that she went overboard. If 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.440 she did, do you go overboard? It was kind of 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:27.600 rough seas, right, Yeah, that's what I mean. You know, 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:31.120 it was rough seas, so it would be unlikely without 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.080 any kind of floatation device or anything like that, it 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:36.040 would be hard. I think, you know, if she went overboard, 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:39.360 she would have been lost. And the difficulty is not 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.720 knowing exactly when and where she could have gone to 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.920 the water, because I actually tried to track down the 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.040 conditions of the sea at that time, but what I 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:52.640 kept running into is that it's location based, and then 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:55.920 when you get farther out, it was really kind of tough. Yeah. 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.320 I could never say, oh, yeah, I know there was 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:00.639 this giant storm. I couldn't find any of that easily. 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.080 But I also don't know why Disney would lie about that. 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.639 And we'll talk about this in the theories a lot more. 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:09.040 There's gonna be a whole bunch of of theories of 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:14.280 finger pointing of lying Disney. Yeah, I assume that the 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.760 security on the ship did a preliminary investigation. However, since 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:20.919 the Wonder, like almost every ship that does any circuit 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:25.520 kind of around America, is registered in Nasaw in the Bahamas, 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.560 the incident happened, and the incident did happen international waters, 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:33.400 it fell to the Royal Bohemian Police Force to investigate. 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:37.840 One officer was assigned to this case, which does seem slim. 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:42.720 I will agree with that that I mean, it's it's 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:45.240 the fact that it's a big ship. I totally understand. 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.080 And he only arrived after the ship ported back in 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.480 l A, so I think that would have been like 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.960 four days later after she disappeared, and he only spent 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:58.119 a day on the ship. Rebecca's parents, Mike and Anna Maria, 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:01.320 were notified on the twenty that Rebecca had gone missing. 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.680 They were obviously there in England, so it was night, 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.040 very nighttime for them. They were about to go to bed. 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:09.879 They had been already worried anyway, because you know, they 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:14.280 didn't hear from her that day. They were Yeah, they 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.760 flew out to l A and met the ship in 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:21.400 l A. Also on the friday after she went Rebecca 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:24.200 went missing. They claimed they were kept in a car 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:29.000 with darkly tinted windows while the passengers disembarked. Then they 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:32.160 were taken to meet the captain, who offered condolences and 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.880 told him that he thought Rebecca had gone overboard. Her 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:38.080 parents were then taken to a meeting with some Disney 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:41.679 executives and the woman that had reportedly been on the 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:48.240 phone with Rebecca at am c CCTV TV footage. Yeah, 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:52.000 I just packed all those letters out, That's okay. It 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:54.240 was rumored to have been a mutual friend of Rebecca 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.879 and this mysterious partner or maybe the partner, but I 0:20:57.880 --> 0:20:59.600 think it was. I think it was a mutual friend. 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:03.600 And now this is a shame. But Mike and Anna 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.240 Maria didn't get to ask a lot of questions in 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:09.520 that meeting because they, I mean, you know, they were 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:14.080 very jet lagged. They hadn't slept since Monday night, right, 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.800 they slew Monday night. They woke up Tuesday morning and 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:20.040 they hadn't slept the entire time. They'd just flown in 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.720 from England, and frankly they thought they were going to 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:25.359 get to talk to this group again, which it turned out, no, 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:28.720 they weren't. They also have expressed that they were just 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.680 they really want to talk to the passengers on the ship, 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:35.240 and now that it's a lot of people to talk to, 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.399 it confuses me a lot. You know, there are this 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:40.840 the Wonder is approximately the same size as the ship 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:42.919 that I was on. That means that there would have 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:47.280 been probably assuming that it was even you know, partially full, 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:52.640 it was probably like guests and nine hundred crew. So 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:58.040