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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I Am Devin joined per USU by Joe and Steve.

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Speaker 1: What's up another grooving mystery? Yeah, this week we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about the disappearance of Rebecca Korium. This was

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Speaker 1: originally suggested by Grace via email in like April two

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Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen, a while ago, which seems weird because

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Speaker 1: that does literally seem like that was a few months

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Speaker 1: ago to me, but like the middle of the summer.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm not really ready for that idea yet. Um,

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Speaker 1: but this is a mystery that I've known about for

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Speaker 1: a while and has been on my radar for a while.

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Speaker 1: It's just this side of five years old. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna do it perfect. I'm just gonna do a quick

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Speaker 1: little summary. Rebecca was four years old when she disappeared

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Speaker 1: from a cruise ship. Yes, we're doing cruise ship mystery. No,

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Speaker 1: it's not the one you want or that other. There

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Speaker 1: are lots of them, but we'll talk about that in

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Speaker 1: a minute. And you know, I think this is on

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Speaker 1: that drinking game that people keep talking about. But you

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Speaker 1: may or may not know that I worked on a

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Speaker 1: cruise ship for a while. And actually, um, the reason

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Speaker 1: that I know about this case is I've known about

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Speaker 1: it pretty much since it happened because the first ship

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Speaker 1: that Rebecca worked on ported in this same ports as

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Speaker 1: my ship did twice a week. I believe it was

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Speaker 1: last day on a cruise ship was literally like three

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Speaker 1: days after she disappeared. Okay, so what doing story? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's do the story. Yeah, because there's a whole bunch here.

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Speaker 1: There's there's quite a lot of story, a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff here. Yeah, it seems kind of a simpler mystery

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Speaker 1: when you first sent it over, So I was really

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Speaker 1: surprised at how much content there was. Yeah, yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: there's like why people are exciting about it, Yeah, maybe

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Speaker 1: kind of it's a little mysterious. Rebecca was attending Plymouth

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Speaker 1: University studying Sports Science and Youth studies. When she was

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Speaker 1: a teen, she was a British Army cadet and she

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Speaker 1: taught UM sports at Camp America in Maine. Rebecca was

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Speaker 1: from Chester, England. In two thousand ten, Rebecca interviewed for

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Speaker 1: Disney Cruise Lines and was offered a job which is

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Speaker 1: actually pretty competitive, unlike the ship I was on. She

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Speaker 1: got to go to Disneyland in Florida for training, which

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Speaker 1: really yeah, really interested in she's the lead of the

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Speaker 1: Disney and it's a trip to be in Disneyland in

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Speaker 1: passengers to speak with distraught parents. Yeah, there's just not

426
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 1: that would take day. And frankly, um, you don't really

427
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: You probably don't want the passengers to know that somebody

428
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: disappeared from their cruise. That's not something you want passengers

429
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 1: to know. There's there's good reason that cruise lines keep

430
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: that kind of information kind of buttoned up. Yeah. Yeah,

431
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: so you know, and actually not that many people disappear

432
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: up cruise ships every year. But we'll talk about this

433
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, So, Rebecca's parents were after they met,

434
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: had this kind of short meeting. They were taken to

435
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: her room and given her things. One of the items

436
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: they were given was either a pair or one slipper

437
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: or flip flop. I'm not quite clear on which one is,

438
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: pink and flowery. I usually hear it as flip flop,

439
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: but I've seen the slipper one singular. Yeah one. This

440
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: slipper slash flip flop had been sound the morning of

441
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: near the crew pool. UM. It's on deck five, in

442
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: the bow of the ship. It's pretty typical of cruise

443
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 1: lines to have a crew pool, have crew specific areas,

444
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: you know. As we're talking about UM, I would say

445
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: that like of the crew, well probably more like six

446
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: of the crew is not allowed in passenger areas at all,

447
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: and then on top of that, only like five max

448
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: probably more like two of the crew are allowed to

449
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: socialize in passenger areas. That means passenger bars, passenger pools,

450
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: passenger restaurants, anything like that. So would that you're talking

451
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: about be people who are working like laundry services or

452
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: engine maintenance or or those kind of I know these

453
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: are very broad categories, but those sort of things that

454
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: guests have no reason to know you exist for okay. Yeah,

455
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of ways to get around

456
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: to every area of a ship. I mean it's even

457
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: things like the maintenance people. You're allowed to be in

458
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: a crew a very specific passenger area to perform your

459
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 1: maintenance task, and then you have to use the nearest

460
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: crew door and get back into crew quarters and crew

461
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: area to get to your next spot. You can't walk

462
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: through passenger you know, hallways or anything like that. Um

463
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: there who underground? It's huge. Oh yeah it is, and

464
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: it's all over the place, and it's really well hidden

465
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 1: throughout a ship. If you've been on a cruise ship,

466
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: you probably were walking right parallel to crew members and

467
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: you didn't even know it. But you know, you want

468
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: to get you want to keep your crew happy. I mean,

469
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: they're stuck in this tin can, so they we get

470
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: you know, we would get our our own bar, you

471
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: get our own swimming pool, you get your own um

472
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: lounge area. You get your own mess hall. I wouldn't

473
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: call it a restaurant. I wouldn't say it's necessarily very nice,

474
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: but you do get your own mess hall, get your

475
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: own um gym with weights and workout equipment and stuff

476
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: like that. I mean it is. It's it's crummier versions

477
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: of all the stuff the passengers have, but you get

478
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: all the stuff that passengers have, and it's a good

479
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: use of that bow space that like, what else are

480
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: you going to put out there? You definitely don't want

481
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: passengers on the bow. The ship's definitely the ship. Yeah, yeah,

482
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: it is. And I mean that's a good point to make,

483
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: is that it's it's pretty much the roughest, most dangerous

484
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: area of a ship, which is why. Yeah, and you

485
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: can you can see photos of that, by the way, Yeah,

486
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,719
Speaker 1: I would encourage you to look at those pictures, and

487
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: you can find pictures specifically with crew members, like when

488
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: you know, any of the ships are going out of

489
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: port or anything like that, you can see there's crew

490
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: standing there, So you can really get a scope of

491
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: what the size of everything looks like, because it's hard

492
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: to tell when it's just a picture of the bow

493
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,239
Speaker 1: from land. It's almost impossible to tell what's going on.

494
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: Did you guys see the Minecraft version of this ship? No,

495
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: it's really cool. Somebody I didn't. I don't know how

496
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: to play mine Craft, so I didn't do anything. But

497
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: you can download she was on the this is the Dream?

498
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: Is that correct? Wonder? Thank you? Somebody built the Wonder

499
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: in in Minecraft. Holy crap, But I watched a quick

500
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,719
Speaker 1: flight through. It's really interesting. You have way much too

501
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: much time on their hands, like people like us podcast.

502
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: What do you do with this thing? I don't know.

503
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how Minecraft works. Please nobody send me

504
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: an email on how Minecraft works. I just haven't looked

505
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: it up. We do know how to google, I promise ye.

506
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: And there's okay. So there's also some mystery about the

507
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: slipper flip flop thing, because there's been some speculation that

508
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't actually Rebecca's, could have could have been left

509
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: it by anybody, anybody on the crew. Yeah, yeah, anyone

510
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: on the crew. That's the end of the story, and

511
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: that's the end of the investigation. The only other things

512
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: really are that. Um. About two weeks after Rebecca's disappearance,

513
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: her family got an email from a bank. That's that

514
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: there had been some activity on one of her accounts

515
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: in the last few weeks. This gave the family hope

516
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: that Rebecca was alive, but I think it was a

517
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: bit misplaced, and apparently they had not previously been aware

518
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: of this account. They were eventually able to find the

519
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: paperwork in Rebecca's things that she had opened this account,

520
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: but they didn't find her cards. Yeah, it was just

521
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: a regular credit card. It wasn't a bank card. Yeah,

522
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: you know, I think she probably got it in America. Yeah,

523
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 1: probably in her training time. Yeah, So that gave the

524
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: family some hope that she was alive. But again all

525
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: this stuff will talk about in a minute. And then

526
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: after that, in that September, Rebecca's uncle Ye found that

527
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: someone had changed the password on Rebecca's Facebook and I

528
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,719
Speaker 1: think they had been maintaining it. The family had been

529
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: maintaining it just too uh, you know, if somebody was

530
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: trying to contact her, or maybe she was trying to

531
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: contact her, you know, her, to keep an eye on

532
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: and you have access and also to maintain as am

533
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: amore and Facebook now will turn pages into memorials, and

534
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: that changes the way that they work a little bit

535
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: but apparently somebody logged in and changed the password, which

536
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: again gave the family a little hope that she was alive.

537
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: And then on March one, two thousand and twelve, a

538
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: woman emailed the family claiming to have seen Rebecca in Venice.

539
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: She said she was eight five percent sure it was

540
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: her um, but Rebecca's passport had been in her belongings,

541
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: so she would have had to find a different way

542
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: into Yes, easy, you just go to Libya and hire

543
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: a smuggler to take you across in that tranean it's safe. Yeah,

544
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: safe as a young white woman. You're right, Los Angeles

545
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: to Olibya is super easy. Really, you just swim, I think, yeah,

546
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: an adventure. Yeah, let's circle back around and talk about

547
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: just a couple of things real quick. Here, we've got

548
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: the CTC can stupid a closed circuit television. Yeah, so

549
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: there's closed circuit television or CCTV. Because I can say

550
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: it all over cruise ships, and you can imagine, I'm

551
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: sure that there are is less CCTV cameras. There are

552
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: less cameras in crew areas than there are in passenger areas.

553
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can figure out why. But there are

554
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: a lot of areas that one could go that wouldn't

555
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,239
Speaker 1: be covered by cameras in crew areas. It's I mean,

556
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: if you're not going to monitor every hallway that you

557
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: know the crew people are going to be in, there

558
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: isn't isn't in any area of any consequence. Yeah. Well yeah,

559
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: and you're not as concerned about the crew frankly, which

560
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: is kind of, you know, callous to say, but it's true.

561
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: You cast a wider net on their activities. You don't

562
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: try and focus on every angle of the hallway. Yeah, exactly,

563
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: So it is I guess it is possible that Rebecca

564
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: moved around the ship without there being any more CCTV

565
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: footage of her, although I do I do think there

566
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: probably was at least one camera at the crew pool.

567
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: That seems like the on of place on the bow

568
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: of the ship mentioned. But it's also notable that the

569
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: author of that article was very clear in the fact

570
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: that he couldn't tell if that was a new or

571
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: a previously existing He said, there are cameras on the promenade,

572
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: the deck four promenade, which is where he originally thought

573
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: that Rebecca had fallen from until he started talking to

574
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: the crew. He said there were cameras there. He didn't

575
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: have access to the crew area, so he would have

576
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: had no way of knowing if there were cameras in

577
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: the crew pool or not. See. I thought somehow he

578
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: had gotten himself into the crew pool area. Okay, then

579
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: I'm I'm wrong, which is not surprising. Yeah, if you

580
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: won my ship and somebody let him in, you would

581
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: be in big old trouble, like a lot of trouble.

582
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: Fast doesn't get you in there. Well, his wouldn't, that's true. Yeah,

583
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: And they might not have had one of the crew

584
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: pool actually as possible, but it kind of looks like,

585
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: but I can't be percent certain, kind of looks like

586
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: from up on the bridge in the control room where

587
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, the captain and the pilot, isn't everything they

588
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: would be able to see down into the crew pool area. Yeah,

589
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: so well we'll talk about that in theories. Yeah. The

590
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: other thing I do want to mention is um I

591
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, talked about Rebecca being maybe seeming a little

592
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: drunk um possibly drunk. Yeah, and but she was just

593
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: getting off shift, which makes me think I thought she

594
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: got off her shift at like what to she just

595
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: got sorry when she was trying to pull Melissa quote

596
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: unquote Melissa's ear. Yeah, that she had literally just gotten

597
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: done with work. Um, and so that makes me think

598
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: that she was not drunk because it's super unallowed. And

599
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: that's not to say that people don't break the rules.

600
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: And yes, it is true job that it's almost the

601
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: only thing to do as a crew member when you're

602
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: not working is to drink um. But there are a

603
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: lot of really really harsh restrictions on that. And again,

604
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: I didn't work for DCL. I worked for a different

605
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: cruise line, which again I'm not going to tell you

606
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: which one it was because I don't want you to know.

607
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: But on the cruise line that I worked for, crew

608
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: members were forbidden to have a blood alcohol level above

609
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: point oh five, like seriously, for I mean, this is

610
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: for a ton of reasons obviously, um and does apply

611
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: to literally all crew In fact, it's the that's the

612
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: minimum or the maximum, I guess is really the better

613
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: way to say it. Obviously, the higher ranking you go,

614
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: the less in toxic did you're allowed to be. I

615
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: was friends with the first mate on our ship. He

616
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: was one of only four Americans and the crew of nine.

617
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: I was one of the other four and uh, he

618
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: was only allowed to drink off ship and had to

619
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: be under point oh two at all times when he

620
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: was on the ship. Well, I mean if he's not

621
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 1: drinking on the ship, I can even be point oh

622
00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: two when you're at port. So we actually had before

623
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: you walk back on the only time I was on

624
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: that ship for six months and I hung out with

625
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: him a lot, and the only time I ever saw

626
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 1: him drink was when we had to stay in port

627
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: overnight in Nassau because there was a storm that we

628
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: couldn't get out of port. And that was the only

629
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: time I ever saw him drink. And he had two

630
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: drinks over the course of like six hours and that

631
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: was it. And like that's life for those people. Again,

632
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: you can imagine why you would require your crew to

633
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: be that. So, hey, we have this major catastrophe follow

634
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: drunk the lifeboat exactly. I mean the crew is the

635
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: emergency crew. I mean there's no one else to help

636
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: you off the ship if something goes wrong, and so

637
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: you can't. I mean they are like, you know, the

638
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: crew is the firefighting crew. And it's not just there's

639
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: some people on the ship who are specifically firefighter crews,

640
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: it's like no, no, no, you leave your job that

641
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: you're doing your other job and go fight that fire

642
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: that's on the ship. If somebody's having a medical emergency

643
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: and you're on the medical team, yes there are doctors

644
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,959
Speaker 1: on there, but there are also emergency or emergency medical

645
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: responders and they're selected again from all different areas of

646
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: the ship. And so if it happens that you are

647
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: super super drunk, like really really drunk, and something goes wrong,

648
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: suddenly you're in charge of trying to get people off

649
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: a ship. It's this huge liability on top of that.

650
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: While we're talking about liability, of course, there's the liability

651
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: of you know, if you get drunk and do something stupid.

652
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: Technically the ship is liable in ways of like if

653
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: you hurt yourself, but also if you heard a passenger

654
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: in any way. Yeah, you can't get drunk. You really

655
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: can't get drunk on the job, and you're required to

656
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: stop drinking two hours prior to your shift. So I

657
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: don't think Rebecca was drunk at that time. I think

658
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: she probably was drunk later. So this is not World

659
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: War two sailor drinking style. No, no, no, no, can

660
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: I ask a question real quick. So the close circuit

661
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 1: television of supposedly Rebecca on the telephone was what time

662
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: do we know? What was the okay? And the friend

663
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: under the name Rebecca Melissa says that they were hanging

664
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: out at about two am and she was supposed to

665
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: be reporting for duty at nine am. That's what I

666
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: was thinking to um this timeline. I mean, I get it,

667
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: she's she's in her early twenties. Sleep doesn't matter. I

668
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: remember those times a long time ago, But like that,

669
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: that just seems That's one of the things that always

670
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: kind of makes me scratch my head about this, this

671
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: whole series of events that are laid out of supposed

672
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: sightings of her. Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's

673
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 1: not Rebecca in the CCTV footage, but I also don't

674
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: necessarily think that she intended to stay up that late.

675
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 1: I mean, frankly, when I would go out on the ship,

676
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, my job was less intense than the one

677
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: that Rebecca was doing, but you know I would go

678
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: out and you stop drinking three hours before your shift,

679
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: you sleep for those three hours. You wake up and

680
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: you go to your shift, and you're probablyngover and you're

681
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: probably gonna hate yourself, but it was fun for a while.

682
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's pretty easy to do. Yeah, and actually, um,

683
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: when I'm sleeping on a cruise ship, best sleep in

684
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: my life. It's it's totally dark, there's the slight rocking.

685
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: You're in this little cocoon of a bunk. It's great.

686
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: I guess there's also I guess the thing that I

687
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: forget is part of We all have to wake up

688
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: and get ready for our day and then commute to

689
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 1: the job. There's no community. Could probably wake up twenty

690
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: minutes ahead of time and shower and brush your teeth

691
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: and have fifteen minutes to just figure out where you're at. Yeah, exactly, Okay,

692
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: get a cup of coffee, a little brecky. Yeah, theories

693
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: I think we should talk about. Yeah, unless you want

694
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: to talk about, you know, the cost of alcohol and

695
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: crew bar or anything like that. Cheap. Oh yeah, you

696
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: could get a corona for a buck, and you know,

697
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: bottle of wine for like three bucks. There's no liquor

698
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: in our crew bars, although I've heard from other people

699
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: that DCL does do liquor in crew bar, But I

700
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: think that's silly and I don't think they probably actually do.

701
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: That's how they make it the happiest place. Maybe. Yeah,

702
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a couple of little business housekeeping things

703
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: out of the way before we actually do theories. First off, Um,

704
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: this like stood out to me a lot. Well, no,

705
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: it stood out to me a lot, and I just

706
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: got really annoyed. So I just want to say it

707
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: right off the bat. One of the threads on Reddit

708
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: that you'll read links to an A. M. A with

709
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: a quote unquote former cruise ship employee. Yeah and uh

710
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: he or this person claims that you just like drop

711
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: the bodies off of the nearest port if somebody dies

712
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: on the ship, which is not true. You drop it

713
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: off with the nearest port to be shipped home. But

714
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: the way that it was represented in this whole debate

715
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: made it sound like like a cruise line care so

716
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: little for deaf on the ship that it would just

717
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: drop the body, would just drop them off at whatever

718
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: little island they were docking out. Who cares if it

719
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: doesn't have airplane service. We just got to get the

720
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: body off the ship, exactly, and that is the lat

721
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that nobody takes it

722
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: that way when they were reading about this, they call

723
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: fed X and fed X drivers they're waiting to meet

724
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: and when they get to the port. No, actually not

725
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: Brown doesn't do that. Also, if you read some of

726
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: these am as, you maybe don't notice that, Yes, two

727
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: years ago I did share my thoughts on this case

728
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: on one of those threads. And yes, I'm saying almost

729
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: the exact same thing now. But you guys keep asking

730
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: for this story, so we're gonna do it anyway. A right, Okay,

731
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: So now it's really theory side. Now, it's really because

732
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: the house keeping out of the way, house keeps all

733
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: the way. First theory murder, It's possible, but I found it.

734
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: I find it really unlikely. Do you think it was

735
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse? No? I don't think everybody. I've got a

736
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: big knife. Sorry, that was goodness. Okay. So I've read

737
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: and you will probably read too, from people who were

738
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: quote on that ship literally a week before unquote, and

739
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: they said that their cruise was perfectly smooth. Same, so

740
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: there's no way that the could have been that rough.

741
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: And obviously the crew is lying about it. You know,

742
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: you know what actually dictates the sea and the weather

743
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, the weather and you know, what

744
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: is liable to change pretty quickly the weather. I'm actually

745
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: weirdly going to defend these people a little bit because

746
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: the one time that I want on a cruise, it

747
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: was beautiful weather the whole time, except for the last

748
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: night heading back to Florida, and apparently we went through

749
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: some pretty rough seas. The person who was with me

750
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: was nauseous from it being really really rocky. I, however,

751
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: had been partaking of the booze to the point that

752
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: I had passed right out and was soundly sleeping through

753
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: the whole thing and had no idea. So I can

754
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: see how people was. The sea was great the whole time.

755
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: I never noticed anything. I drank like a half a

756
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: bottle of boo. But it's also possible that a week

757
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: before the sea was perfect, Yes, and the sea changes

758
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: on an hourly Basis that that that they're lying about

759
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: the weather. YEA, yeah, no, that's silly. I also don't

760
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: it doesn't give me such a problem that the bank

761
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: card was used, because if somebody murdered her and taking

762
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: her bank card, they would have used it multiple times maybe.

763
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: And also, you know, I don't know if you've got

764
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: I've got a few things like Nextflix, for example, they

765
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: justly ding my cart the best thing ever hand, and

766
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: so it could have just been that. It could have

767
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that you do when

768
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: you're on a cruise ships you get a p O box.

769
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: I mean, like not everybody does, but it makes life

770
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: so much easier if you go and get a Post

771
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: office box and you just pay the monthly subscription on

772
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: your card and pay the monthly fee or whatever. There's

773
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: so many things that could be so I it doesn't

774
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: really we don't know what it was that the withdrawal

775
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: was for we as I could not tell. I mean

776
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: it was hard to tell. A couple of people I

777
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: saw online saying oh, it was found to be the subscription,

778
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: but I think that that I think they were just assuming,

779
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: like we are, that it was a subscription because I

780
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: wasn't ever able to find anything to substantiate that. Even

781
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: the credit card company wouldn't tell her family was Yeah,

782
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: and you know, even if even if it was stolen

783
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: and used one time, I mean, it's not that's not

784
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: it's not so hard to get into other crew members rooms.

785
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: That's why I was actually thinking about just an online hack.

786
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a lot of different ways that somebody

787
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: could have gotten that. I mean, also the Facebook log in.

788
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: I don't know about you that you guys don't actually

789
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: use Facebook that much. My boyfriend also does not use

790
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: Facebook that much, and um, he gets little emails from

791
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: Facebook all the time saying, hey, somebody tried to access

792
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: your account from this place. And I think they do

793
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: go after those accounts that aren't used as much, because

794
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: it's like the people aren't going to notice that they're

795
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: hacked if they're not using their account, so that doesn't

796
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: account more, you know, weirdly is uh, Evidently they do

797
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: this on a regular basis, but I didn't know this

798
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: is you guys heard about the recent leak of all

799
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: the LinkedIn information. I apparently was in that batch and

800
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: Facebook figured it out because they forced me to change

801
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: my personal account password recently. Right, but they forced you.

802
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: It didn't just happen automatically. Right. But what I'm saying

803
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: is that I could have been hacked at any time

804
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: and would have not known it. It's only because of them,

805
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: because I had no idea what was in that leaked batch,

806
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 1: and those leaks come out much later, so it's it's

807
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: very easy. I agree that she could have just been hacked.

808
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: I mean, how many times have we had people try

809
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: to join our Facebook group who looked like perfectly normal

810
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: people when you review their online profile, and then as

811
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: soon as they get in there offering to sell sunglasses

812
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: ray bands for super cheap to everybody. Exactly, It's yeah,

813
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: it's impossible to tell. So I guess I'm not so

814
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: bothered by that either. Yeah. Sometimes people share their passwords

815
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: with other people too. Yeah. One thing I was reading

816
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: about online, um was and actually this person made a

817
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: really good point was that you know, if somebody love

818
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: dies me, you know, friends have passwords or it's easy

819
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: to guess what their password is, and it's not unheard

820
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: of that you would, you know, log in to their

821
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: stuff and you know, maybe you get drunk and change

822
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: the password. I don't know, maybe you want to go

823
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: in there and delete some derogatory stuff. I was going

824
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: to say, there's that that rule among friends that hey,

825
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: if I die, there's some certain things that you need

826
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: to remove from all of my profo. He was. I

827
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: mean it was significantly later than that though, I mean

828
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: it was September, so I understand that, but it would

829
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: explain having the password. But This says nothing to explain

830
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: the whole murder theory, So there's not any good substance

831
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: to the murder theory except for the vague rumor that

832
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: Rebecca might have been in a love triangle between her

833
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: lady Love and a quote unquote older man. I can't

834
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: I really can't find a source for this. I can't

835
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: find any additional information other than basically that one sentence

836
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: said for different ways to basically many found out about

837
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: Mickey and her yeah something like that and pushed her overboard. Yeah, well,

838
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: think about it. Is is the crewis besides besides the

839
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: swimming pool up in the forecastle of the ship. Um,

840
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: where else was there that the crew could go? Where

841
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: there was they were actually in an open place with

842
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: the railing where somebody could push her overboard without anybody noticing,

843
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: guaranteed no one noticing. Yeah where? Yeah, Well were there

844
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: places where there there where a crew could go mix

845
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: next to the railing with the passengers, or they could

846
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: or there was where their places set aside besides the pool,

847
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: where the crew could go and have a you know,

848
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: a nice little outside, little promenade space and you know

849
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: that they could look at the ocean from or something

850
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: like that. I mean the promenade space. But if they

851
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: would have to be approved, I mean, you know, Rebecca

852
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: was approved to be would have been approved to be

853
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: in certain passenger areas. The promenade would have been one

854
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: of them. But I don't know. I mean, I don't

855
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: since I don't know who her lover and this older

856
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: man were, I don't know, you know what if they

857
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: would have been allowed up there or not. And I

858
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: also know that it takes but a second for somebody

859
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: to walk out a door onto the promenade. Okay, but

860
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, I was just thinking if you wanted to

861
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: murder a crew member on a cruise ship, you know,

862
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: if you wanted to murder one of your fellow passengers,

863
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: if you want of the guys that can afford to

864
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: get a really nice cabin with your own balcony and everything,

865
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: that you can lose somebody in your in your cabin

866
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: and then murder them and just push them overboard. But

867
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: they're going to be on tape going your room. The problem. Yeah,

868
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: there's ways around that. He's cut He just cut the cable.

869
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: That's not a thing. But yeah, I mean they're all

870
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: like installed in the law or you know, I want

871
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: to buy the tricks. It's not what you see at

872
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: the seven eleven with the big co x cable loop.

873
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: But you can just take a take a sticky note

874
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 1: and just stick it to the lens and you're taking

875
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 1: nobody go that's weird. This person disappeared, and this line

876
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: actually would orange for a while. That also assumes that

877
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: there's only one camera in the hallway, which I can

878
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: tell you is not true. They're about every six or

879
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: seven doors and passenger areas anyway. But we're off topic here.

880
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: Let me go back to what my original point was.

881
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: Is that if you wanted to murder somebody and you

882
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: had your own balcony everything, and you can probably get

883
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: away with it. There's ways to do it. But if

884
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: you want to murder somebody down in cruise quarters, how

885
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: the hell are you going to get their body up

886
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 1: to somewhere where you can pitch them overboard without somebody seeing?

887
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: And I guess the cameras to The addition to that

888
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: is that you I guess you could technically do that

889
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: off of the promenade, but again, it'd be really hard

890
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: to guarantee that nobody would see you. You could do

891
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: it in the crew area, except for the walls too

892
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: high in the crew pool area to pitch someone over

893
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: why I'm gonna I'm gonna pull the famous card, which

894
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: is you're making a presumption. Okay, so let's say that

895
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: somebody has a reason to kill her. Well, that doesn't

896
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: necessarily mean that they dumped her overboard. They could have

897
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: stashed her in something that they knew was going to

898
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: go away in a not so well monitored area. Well,

899
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: you know, it's completely possible too. You know, actually a

900
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: hell of a lot easier. You know how they deal

901
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: with trash on cruise ships compacted, So you shove down

902
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: the garbage shoot. I know that that sounds cruel, but

903
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: it's what people if people have done this stuff before,

904
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: is they shove the body and the compactor, and they

905
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: run the compactor and then when it gets back to

906
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 1: wherever it goes and it pushes out that big giant

907
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: cube of disposed mickey ears there's a body in it,

908
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: but nobody knows because it's picked up by a forklift

909
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,959
Speaker 1: and driven to the landfill. And the probably doesn't that great.

910
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: It actually smells probably worse than a dead body. It's

911
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: a complete and total insight. It would have to be

912
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: for murder to have worked a pretty well engineered or

913
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: spread across several people to pull off. And I don't

914
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: think that's what happened. I mean, getting getting to the

915
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: trash compactor again without being seen going to be kind

916
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: of hard, not really, I mean, or you'd have to

917
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: have a friend who reset the switch on that camera

918
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: so that you know. I mean there's loops and all

919
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: of that. But let's just say somebody shut it off

920
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: or shut off a bank, and you run and you

921
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: toss it in and nobody knows that you know how

922
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: to get to it. In a blinder, there's a bajillion

923
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm using air quotes ways to make this happen. I

924
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: don't believe any of it. I will just say in defense, um,

925
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: everything used to transport anything on cruise ships is a

926
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: little bigger. So you know, when you're talking about trash cans,

927
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: you're talking about its smallest to those twenty gallon big

928
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: old guys that you roll. I mean they have, you know,

929
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: three or four times that size of things that collect

930
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: trash as well. So I mean all you have to

931
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: do is get to one of those and then bury

932
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: it a little bit and then lift it up and

933
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: dump it down the shoot and there's no I mean, yeah,

934
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: it's our really shoot, but yeah, but there is there

935
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: is that whole question of why would anybody want to

936
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: kill her? Why would anybody want to kill her? And

937
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: then also, you know you have to have an access

938
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: key card to get into the dump, yeah, because you know, actually,

939
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: as it turns out, just not every crew member is

940
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: allowed to dump things for good reasons. Yeah, like what

941
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: we just talked about. Okay, so we'll go ahead and

942
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: say that's a bad theory. So besides what you spend

943
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: time in that cruise ship was there it was it

944
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: filled with unhappy, psychotic people, or it was was it

945
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: filled with fun loving, you know, outgoing types who wouldn't

946
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: be likely murder? Well, it's interesting. I feel like the

947
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: people who know about the disappearance rates from cruise ships

948
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: are always saying things like, yeah, it's just drifters and

949
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: rapists or the only people who work on cruise ships.

950
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: And I would get away with you, Well, I would

951
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: say that it is true that, um, there are a few,

952
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: but there's nine people on the crew on the show.

953
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: Like the odds are in the favor that there's going

954
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: to be at least one or two crazy creepy skiezy people.

955
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't say any of the people that I

956
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: worked with were psychopaths. I wouldn't say any of them

957
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: would probably murder anyone. And you know who to stay

958
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: away from. As crew members, you just do if somebody's

959
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: kind of skiazy, you stay away from that person or

960
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: you and you know where the cameras are and you

961
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: make sure that you're there if that person is coming.

962
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: That's just what you do. So I which I know

963
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: it sounds crazy, but it's true. I just don't think

964
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: that somebody probably murdered her. That's silly because why Okay,

965
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 1: the next theory is based on the fact that somebody

966
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: was sure that they saw Rebecca in Venice, that is,

967
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: that she facured disappearance, but almost literally impossible because it

968
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: was a se day and they searched the entire ship,

969
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: So she would have had to have some accomplices to

970
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: not only um to not only hide for that entire day,

971
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 1: but also to get off the ship. Because I don't

972
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: know if you know this or not, but the comings

973
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: and goings from a ship are highly monitored and they

974
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: are only like two ways to get off a ship,

975
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: and there are security guards at all of those points,

976
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: both on the ship and landside. It'd be almost impossible

977
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: for her to just slip by unseen. Yeah, and you gotta,

978
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: don't You get it like an electronic card when you

979
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: board a ship as a pass that you have to

980
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: scan as you have your crew. If your crew member,

981
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: you have the same thing, you have to scan it

982
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: on and off. They don't, then that's how they know

983
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: if everyone's on the ship or not about the passengers.

984
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: So yes, crew and passengers, A passengers, everybody has a card. Yes,

985
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: all right, So here's actually did it? So she borrowed

986
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: if she lifted a card from one of the passengers,

987
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: actually borrowed it and then attached it to a carrier

988
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: pitch and when she was safely on shore and the

989
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 1: pigeon brought it back to brought it back to the passenger,

990
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: and it just so happened that that passenger wasn't trying

991
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: to leave the ship that day. Yeah, that makes sense.

992
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: One of the things I've noticed, though, is that nobody

993
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: anywhere mentions whether any lifeboats were missing, So I had

994
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: to assume they didn't do account and there has to

995
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: be a missing life bone. She must have taken one.

996
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: Those are really easy to tell Rebus. I mean, you know,

997
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: if we if we're gonna, I'm gonna piggyback on that idea.

998
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a whole lot about it, but I

999
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: mean people would then have to make this kind of

1000
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: Disney was complicit in the whole thing. And this is

1001
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: a Chessler situation. Did you you guys have seen fight Club? Okay, well,

1002
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: the Boston fight Club. His name was Chessler and it

1003
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: was the he got him in such a bad situation

1004
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: to blackmailing to say, you're gonna pay me and you're

1005
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: gonna let me go. And that's the kind of situation

1006
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: that this would have to be. It would have to

1007
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: be a Rebecca caught somebody doing something so horrendous and

1008
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: Disney said, well, either you're gonna sleep with the mickeys

1009
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 1: or you're gonna disappear, and they said okay. She said, okay,

1010
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: Well get me off of this ship, don't tell anybody,

1011
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 1: and I'll never don the ears again. And that's that's insane,

1012
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: but it's it's on the same level of I feel

1013
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: like faking the disappearance. I also think that kidnapping is

1014
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: in the same vein. Really, how do you get her

1015
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: off the ship? Well, not only how do you get

1016
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: her off the ship, but like why why do it

1017
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: on a sea day? Right? Why do it overnight when

1018
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: there's like no reason for her disappeared? Why don't you

1019
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: wait until she gets off the ship in port or

1020
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: when they're in port and you can take her off

1021
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: the ship, like precisely, I mean, and that's it's absurd.

1022
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of like committing armed bank robbery

1023
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: on a ship when there's no bank there. And I

1024
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: guess that's not a perfect analogy, but your sense your

1025
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: kidnapped people on land. Yeah, yeah, you can't kidnaps. You could,

1026
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: I guess, kidnap somebody on a ship and then try

1027
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: to smuggle off the ship somehow, But it really seems

1028
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: like an absurd thing to do. I'm going to go

1029
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 1: back to the same question again. Those Okay, So if

1030
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: that's the case, if she was kidnapped, why is Disney

1031
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: hiding it? If there's because there is cameras every and

1032
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: everything is so regulated, why are they just going well

1033
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: and here and here's the deal. If she was kidnapped,

1034
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: where it's the ransom demands they can only assume she

1035
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: was kidnapped in order to be murdered, in which case

1036
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: we're back to murder. I guess, well, she could have

1037
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: been kidnapped for sexual slavery, but that's a different story.

1038
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: That's true. I was figuring the ransom demand was pinned

1039
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: a Pluto, and we know how good he is a

1040
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: delivering thing, that he's bad at it. The next theory

1041
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: is suicide, which I'm kind of willing to entertain, but

1042
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm just going to blend it with the next theory

1043
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: as well, which is it's an accident. So either it

1044
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: was an accident or it was a suicide, yeah, or

1045
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: intentional death. And I've got an emails from people about

1046
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: about suicide, people who knew no more about it than

1047
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: I do, you know, and so I don't claim to

1048
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: be an expert on it. But from what I understand

1049
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: about Rebecca, she was pretty happy. I'm not I'm sure

1050
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: she wasn't totally happy and cheery every hundred percent of

1051
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: the day, but nobody is. Nobody is, But she seemed

1052
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: like she was a pretty upbeat person. Yeah, I would

1053
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: agree with that. Not likely, not that that necessarily means

1054
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: that you're not suicidal, but no, it can't happen. But yeah,

1055
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: seems like she wasn't the type. Yeah, so I guess

1056
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: even if it was an accident, it probably was a

1057
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: bit of an intentional accident given the conditions. And you know, again,

1058
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: this is trusting that the conditions are what Disney says

1059
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: they were. We've already said that the weather was probably

1060
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: bad that night, and in fact, i've I've read that

1061
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: the weather was so bad earlier that night that whoever

1062
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: was commanding, I think it was more around midnight that

1063
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: this happened. But whoever was commanding, who was on the bridge,

1064
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: looked down and saw someone down there and the area

1065
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: in the pool area, crew member in the pool area

1066
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: and sent security to get him in because it was

1067
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: too dangerous. Um the same ship, because I had heard

1068
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: something about someone saying I had a friend that was

1069
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: in the pool area when they shouldn't have been in

1070
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: high season. They had to be rescued and then they

1071
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: were shipped home. I thought it was the same one.

1072
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: But I could be mistaken. This is the problem. I

1073
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: thought it was the same night, even always mixed with

1074
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: a ton of personal anecdotal stories. Well, this time I

1075
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: knew about that's why maskt Yeah, well I think sorry,

1076
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: go ahead. I'm kind of wondering too, what it's like.

1077
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: You know, you got a full full pool out there,

1078
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: what happens to that water? It's just just all slash

1079
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: out and then just run out through the scuppers and

1080
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: that's it chlorinating the ocean. And then they got to

1081
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: refill the refill the pool or sometimes you can really

1082
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 1: get pushed around the deck by a big wall of water. Yeah,

1083
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: I see why they would take people out of there. Yeah. Well,

1084
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: the so the wall in the crew pool area is

1085
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: the bulkhead looks appears to me to be something like

1086
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: six plus feet high. Would that be correct. I've heard

1087
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: just like ten feet high. I don't think it's ten ft.

1088
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: That's why I was saying, you should look at the

1089
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: pictures with the people around it. I think it's probably

1090
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: six ft. I don't think it's probably ten ft. That's

1091
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: why I'm not sure, because I've looked at the pictures

1092
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: and I can't get a good a good case. But

1093
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: out there, well you see this thing where it says, oh,

1094
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: she probably just climbed up there just to sit up

1095
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: there to look around, and then it was an accident,

1096
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: something happened and she rolled overboard because of that, you know.

1097
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: But again I don't know how tall it is, so

1098
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: I think it is. I mean, I think it's six

1099
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: ft tall. And in that picture I just showed around

1100
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: and again I'm encouraging everybody to go find UM. You

1101
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: can see crew members standing on standing while standing on

1102
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: the wall next to the pool, and then standing next

1103
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: to the wall, and it does look like they can

1104
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: see over it at least, you know, within a couple inches.

1105
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: Maybe it actually makes sense, you know, the kind of

1106
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: prison like to have these ten foot walls surrounding you

1107
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 1: when you're yourself. And to I mean to your point,

1108
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with the idea that Rebecca

1109
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: might have climbed up, probably not the side of the wall,

1110
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: but even more, you know, forward on the bow or

1111
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: even towards the rear, I mean towards the more towards

1112
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: where the bridges and stuff like that. The superstructure of

1113
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: the ship. Yeah, I'm not sure if there's a lot

1114
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: of room there, but you can hop on. So the

1115
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: way that it's set up. Again, go look at pictures.

1116
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: Is UM on the bow, there's it's covered a then

1117
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: it dips down into the pool crew pool area area.

1118
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: But in right next to where that dips down is

1119
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: um these big pods that holds life rafts that you

1120
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: know expand. Um. But you could hop onto one of those.

1121
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: They're not very tall, four ft tall. You could hop

1122
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: onto one of those and then hop on to the

1123
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: bow pretty easily. And um. Having been on a cruise

1124
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: ship and drunk on a cruise ship, one of the

1125
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: most refreshing feelings, especially when you're getting a little stir

1126
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: crazy and a little upset, is to have sea wind

1127
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: blowing in your face the world. Yeah, which is again

1128
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: that exact thing is why passengers aren't allowed to be

1129
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: in that area. But um, I don't have such a

1130
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: hard time making the leap of you know, maybe it

1131
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: had calmed down, maybe the weather had calmed down. Um.

1132
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: Random swells are a thing. Say, yeah, it's not so

1133
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: hard for you to be on the bottle of the

1134
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: ship and to have it just go put down into

1135
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: a little you know, ditch depression an area and you

1136
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: would just slide right off, or a ship or you know,

1137
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: a big wave comes up or whatever. Um. So I

1138
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: don't know, it's what's typical practice on a cruise ship.

1139
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: But do they have like lighting, spotlights anything like that.

1140
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: Would anybody up on the on the bridge have been

1141
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: able to see her if she was up on the bower.

1142
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: Would that have been in darkness? It probably would have

1143
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 1: been in darkness. Well, I don't think it probably would

1144
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: have been complete darkness. There's probably some standard minimum lighting

1145
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: in an area that people can easily access. Yeah, but

1146
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: you would like it to be under spotlight. No, but

1147
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: you also weren't supposed to be there out out there

1148
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: at night. I mean, they didn't lock it off, but

1149
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: you weren't supposed to be in there. Um, so there's

1150
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: probably a little lighting, but I don't I mean, there

1151
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: definitely weren't big spotlights down there that the you know,

1152
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: the people in the bridge could have looked down and said,

1153
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: oh my god, there's a person down there. I think

1154
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: that's a good question because you didn't always see this thing.

1155
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: Of Well, if the crew had been in the bridge

1156
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: have been paying attention, they would have seen her if

1157
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: she was in that air maybe actually not lit. Yeah,

1158
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: but I don't know if you've ever been in I

1159
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: mean think about you know, in your car when the

1160
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: dash lights are on, but you can't see your headlights.

1161
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to see outside because you've got

1162
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: that in that illumination in front of you. Well exactly,

1163
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: that's why I would think that they would not want

1164
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: to have a lot of bright lights there. Of course,

1165
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what they use. They might use night

1166
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: vision these days for all I know. But I mean,

1167
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: it's mostly just instruments, it's not it's mostly not you stand.

1168
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: You know, you're obviously not standing there with the wheel

1169
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: or whatever they call it. Um, you know, steering. That's

1170
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: that's the other thing people are accusing Disney and negligence.

1171
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: But I don't even know if i'm modern ships, if

1172
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: people are actually standing there staring out the window all

1173
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: the time and they do stand, they yeah, there are

1174
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,439
Speaker 1: people in the bridge. But I was just about to yeah,

1175
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: I mentioned is that, Um, that's absolutely true. It's not

1176
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: as though you're standing there staring out into the open ocean.

1177
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: You're in there monitoring, But it is not your job

1178
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: to be looking down, you know, in the front of

1179
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: the ship seeing is there anything there? That's not the

1180
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: job anymore. Probably you probably are looking at your radar

1181
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: more than you're looking at your windows. And do you

1182
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: know how hard it is to stare ahead in the dark.

1183
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: It's hard trying to Yeah, it's not easy. I mean

1184
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: it's really easy to get distracted and look around because

1185
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,959
Speaker 1: if you've just had a joint. After all, they didn't

1186
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: they do something about alcoholic They didn't say nothing about pot.

1187
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: Well you can't have it. That doesn't make it the

1188
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: most magical place on her. Yeah. So here's a list

1189
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: of reasons that I think Disney is not lying about

1190
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Um point number one, They've paid

1191
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: me loads of money to say that they're not lying. Yes,

1192
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: this week's episode is not brought to you by It

1193
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: brought to you, Yeah, thanks to Disney. Yeah, I mean,

1194
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: I I don't think No. Point Number two is that

1195
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: no one in this Guardian article or anybody that I've

1196
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: seen from Disney Crew Cruise Lines who's been interviewed around

1197
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: this disappearance disputes that it was bad weather. And almost

1198
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: everybody who was interviewed agrees that you probably went off

1199
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: the crew pool and bow area, which means that Disney

1200
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: paid them a lot of money too. Yeah. The only

1201
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: thing that they're really disputing is that Disney probably knows

1202
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: more than they're leading on to which is definitely probably true.

1203
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: I would totally believe that Disney is not telling everything.

1204
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: I suspect they're keeping it mysterious. I mean, you know,

1205
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: they probably have more CCTV of the foot of it

1206
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: than they are releasing for a few reasons. One is

1207
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: that they probably don't want to have to answer the

1208
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: hard questions like is that pool area safe for crew

1209
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: to be in? Is it safe and only certain conditions?

1210
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: And if it's safe and only certain conditions, why isn't

1211
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: there a fail safe to not allow people out there

1212
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: when it's bad conditions? And then you know, if the

1213
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: weather was bad and it was late h CCTV footage

1214
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: may not be good. They may not know. There are

1215
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: reports that Disney has sent one more piece of footage

1216
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: to like the FBI to be cleaned up, but there's

1217
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: never been any follow up on that um and so

1218
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: maybe someday we will see something, but I don't think so.

1219
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: So is that are you inferring with that? And correct

1220
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong here? So I'm asking, are you

1221
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: inferring that what's going on is that there was a

1222
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: camera that in a dark in space caught something that

1223
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: could possibly have been I'm saying that, I'm saying that

1224
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: I am still not happy. I'm not satisfied with their

1225
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: not being at least one camera on the bow. And

1226
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: so if it's if there, I think there probably is

1227
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: at least one camera on the bow that probably did

1228
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,919
Speaker 1: catch whatever happened on the bow that night. But since

1229
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: it was dark, it's not night vision, it's bad weather,

1230
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: it's probably not very useful. It's totally possible that they

1231
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: caught somebody walking out there and sitting down and getting

1232
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: swept off, And you know, that raises a whole bunch

1233
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: of other questions like why wasn't security watching that at

1234
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: that time? And why didn't somebody call that? But on

1235
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: top of that, I guess there's also a bit of

1236
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: a fear of if that's not Rebecca, did somebody else

1237
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: come with thing what happened? But the hard thing for

1238
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: me is that, Okay, let's say that there is a

1239
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: camera there, you can't immediately say why wasn't security watching

1240
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: Have you ever watched security footage cycle, it's always four

1241
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: panels on a single monitor. These four guys are probably

1242
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: watching a half dozen to a dozen monitors. And if

1243
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: things are easy to to overlook, especially when they're poorly lit.

1244
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: You go it, screwpool, it's black. Ignore that. You don't know.

1245
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: You're looking at something else, something blips by, you don't see.

1246
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I'm not justifying that anybody being lacks

1247
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: of days ago in their job. But I'm also saying

1248
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: it's it's the sure amount of content that they have

1249
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: to be looking at. Yeah, the one, the one liability thing.

1250
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: And even this, I would say is questionable. I guess

1251
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: they should have locked off the bout. I should have

1252
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: locked off the crew pool when the weather got bad.

1253
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: They should, you know, of course I don't. I don't

1254
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: believe this. If I was, you know, I mean, you

1255
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 1: could probably bring a successful lawsuit for something like that,

1256
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: for negligence. If I was on the jury, I would say,

1257
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: screw you. You know, Rebecca was twenty four years old.

1258
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: There was probably a sign there saying, hey, don't go

1259
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: out here in bad weather. She ignored it, you know,

1260
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: But I think there's more than it's common sense. Yeah,

1261
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: there's that too, he don't go out here in bad weather.

1262
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: Hey it's bad weather. Maybe don't climb on that really

1263
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: really wet, slick thing. Don't do it. Why would you

1264
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: do that? But again, I was on a ship in

1265
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: really high winds, and what did my friends and I do.

1266
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: We went to the highest exposed deck we could and

1267
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: we we did the stupid thing. We weren't on the rail,

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01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: but we just leaned into it and I had a

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Speaker 1: friend it was at degree angle, like this is so

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Speaker 1: freaking cool. Well, you know, again, I will say, I've

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Speaker 1: been on cruise ship. I've been drunk on a cruise ship,

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Speaker 1: and I can tell you that I had some close

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Speaker 1: calls more than once. I I think, probably too close

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01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 1: calls because as I was being drunk and dumb, and

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01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 1: I was young, and actually, you know again, another reason

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01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: that this case is close to me is that Rebecca

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01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: is was the same age as me, you know, so

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Speaker 1: we're making dumb, bad decisions on cruise ships at the

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Speaker 1: same time. And um, I guess I got lucky because

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Speaker 1: I wasn't making quite as bad decisions, but were in

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01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: the in the right place at the wrong time. But

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01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: people go overboard, or guess go overboard all the time,

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01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 1: maybe twenty three a year on average, and that's just reported,

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Speaker 1: and that's out of that that's out of like twelve

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Speaker 1: million passengers a year. Right, But I think the estimation

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Speaker 1: is that I think it's something like fifteen or I reported. Well.

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Speaker 1: Part of the problem there is I know that some

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01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: of the stuff that I've read is that a lot

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Speaker 1: of the numbers that are reported our deaths on board,

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01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: and there's this whole thing of cover up of guests

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01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: on the ship. And it's not really mean. As we

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01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,839
Speaker 1: talked about a little bit before. It's not as wild

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01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: and hidden, but they may get easily known. This person

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01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: in Crazy Seas who was eighty years old happened to

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01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 1: be on the stairs and fell down the stairs in

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01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: Wild Seas and died. So yes, people die, but but

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01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,600
Speaker 1: they are kind of apparently brushing under the rug some

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01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: of this stuff because Devon was in the minority, which

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Speaker 1: is people from the United States on a ship like this.

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01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: I know, I'm a bunch of the people that I

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01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: met who they were from Slava Lady was from Slava countries,

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01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 1: like this is the best way to make money. It's

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01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 1: not that great of a thing, but I come here

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01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: for nine months and I make two years worth of way.

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01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 1: I think the statistic for the cruise line that I

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01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: worked for is that of the employees were from the Philippines.

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01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: UM and that's a hugely marginalized group and you know

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01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,600
Speaker 1: they weren't treated particularly well, and that's true. But you know,

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01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: I think if if they're from the Philippines, are from

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01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: a low income family, they go overboard, you probably just

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01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: pay the family and don't ever report it, because why

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01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: would you. I mean, yeah, again, this is where I

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01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: sound like I'm defending Disney and I'm not trying. But

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01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 1: you know what I understand why they're not saying this.

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01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: You know who would love to have the luxury that

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01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: the cruise lines have is the airline industry. We all

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01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 1: know when a plane goes down, and a fewer planes

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01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 1: go down now than they did ten years ago and

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01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. I mean, like the numbers of plane

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01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: crashes are getting smaller and smaller and easy beats, he

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01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: nothing events like scary things are now being lifted to

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01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 1: the level of a plane crash. Cruise ships wish they

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01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: are airlines, wish they had the luxury that the cruise

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01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:52,560
Speaker 1: ships to which is just I'm not talking about yeah, no, no, no,

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01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about it. Well, one person goes overboard

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01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know, it's not huge news. It's like

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01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: not like two hundred people in an airline are getting killed,

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01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: right that that's much more. That's a better headline. Well

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01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 1: and as maccaba as this sounds, um, there are people

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01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: who go on cruises to die. I can see that.

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01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 1: And that's when you know, that's one of the things.

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01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: I know I've talked about this before, but that's one

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01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: of the things that they will tell you when you

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01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 1: are doing your training for cruise ship is that listen,

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01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: people are going to go overboard because they want to,

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01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 1: you know, they want to treat themselves to one last

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01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: nice thing and then this is a nice place to

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01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: just go overboard. And obviously that's not a fun fact,

1339
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: but it's a fact. So and well, and that's something

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01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about, which is the chances of being

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01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: rescued once you go overboard are really so you have

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01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: to land. I mean, it's how how far do you

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01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: think it is ht above the water? Well, there's that

1344
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta land. You gotta land perfectly to

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01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: not break something orno yourself. But you also have to

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01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: land far enough away from the ship that you don't

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01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: get sucked under it. Well, that's what that was gonna say.

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01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,560
Speaker 1: And this is what I think happened to Rebecca is

1349
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,640
Speaker 1: she probably got sucked into the screws and chopped up

1350
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 1: a bit, you know, and that put a lot of

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01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: blood into the water, which attracted the sharks who came

1352
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: over and sort of tidied things up. So not surprising

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01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: they've never found a body. Yeah, let's just take sharks

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01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 1: out of this. Let's just say that she went into

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01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: the water and she drowned. She's gonna go under. I mean,

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01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: even if the sharks don't get her, you know. Ever, Yeah,

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01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,759
Speaker 1: the body isn't going to just be floating on top

1358
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 1: indefinitely for somebody to find it. Not the way drownings work. Well,

1359
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 1: even if it did, it could be easy to overlook.

1360
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 1: But I really think that she got sucked into the screws,

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01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: chopped up, and then eat my sharks. That's his theory.

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01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 1: It's shark week. Yeah. My theory is that she Yeah,

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01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,640
Speaker 1: she went off the ship and I don't know what

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01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: happened to her after that, but she's not alive. It's

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01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: hard to imagine her going off the bow and not

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01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: going into the screws. I agree with that, No, I

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01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: absolutely agree with that, But I just don't want to

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01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: think about it. Yeah, that's true. It's pretty that's pretty awful.

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01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,759
Speaker 1: So I guess whoa I was just in my theory

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01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: is that she she peeved off Cinderella, who of course

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01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: has the fairy Godmother in her back pocket, and that

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01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 1: that carriage showed up and they shoved her in, and

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01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 1: then the pumpkin became a pumpkin. I'm still going with

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01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:24,560
Speaker 1: Mickey because if you see any pictures of a flirtatious

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01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: he's he's a womanizer. Oh yeah, well, but I don't

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01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: know if you've noticed, this have been one of the

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01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: main pictures you see of Rebecca. She's holding this cat.

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01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: And you know, suppose Mickey saw that picture, well, and

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01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 1: he wants to avenge all those relatives who I'm killed

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01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: by cats, you know? And so yeah, So in a

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01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 1: serious closing note, sorry, okay, I just I don't think

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01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: that d c L is doing anything. I mean, I

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01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: think they're withholding a lot of evidence, but I don't

1384
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 1: think they're lying. I don't think that they should be

1385
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 1: holding that information. But I agree that they're probably doing

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01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: it for very selfish reasons. Well I don't even know

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01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 1: if that I and I just I think it's totally

1388
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: reasonable to assume that everything else they have is totally unusable.

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01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: And that's that's what I'm thinking. I think if they

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01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:11,600
Speaker 1: had any smoking guns, they'd probably be sure only to

1391
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: clear their name. Yeah, I mean yeah, I say say,

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01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:18,759
Speaker 1: obviously Disney themselves, as shareholders and board of directors of Disney,

1393
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: didn't commit any murders. Maybe an employee you did it,

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01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: in which case, well, if they had evidence, they probably

1395
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: would turn it over. Yeah they would. I mean, if

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01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 1: you knew about a murderer, would you would you just

1397
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: would you just keep it quiet, knowing the murder is

1398
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: going to go out and kill somebody else, maybe even

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Speaker 1: you or somebody you know, It depends on who it was,

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01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: it does have Johnny Depp. Now, um they in there.

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Speaker 1: If he kills people constantly? Yeah, anything else? I think

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