1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here Welcome back to Killers amongst Us, 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: the production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. Sarah Stern a 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: beautiful teen girl who loses her mom after a fight 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: with cancer and was trying to find her way in 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: the world. She disappears from home without a trace, leaving 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: behind so many questions and so few clues. We start 7 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: at two forty five am the morning of December three, 8 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, an abandoned car found on any Jersey Bridge. 9 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, Killers amongst Us? Did the choler id that 10 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: you know in the answered it was the Sheriff's department 11 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: because I got a recording that said that the hours 12 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: are from nine am to five pm and call back 13 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: or leave a message. So right there I knew it 14 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: was you know, it was called from an official phone, 15 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: but didn't have any details. And that's that's how the 16 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: whole thing started. And you know, I hadn't been able 17 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: to get in touch with Sarah, so you know, I 18 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: thought something at that point might be wrong. How long 19 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: had you been trying to reach her? From about ten 20 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: thirty the evening before, so that would have been Friday 21 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: night going into Saturday morning. Michael Stern. This is Sarah's dad, Michael. 22 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: That evening. You started trying to contact her around ten 23 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: thirty PM, which would have been I guess a Friday night. Okay, 24 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: let me go back just a little. My Sarah's grandma, 25 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: my mother, had called me and said she hadn't been 26 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: able to get in touch with Sarah all day and 27 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: she was staying at my sister's house because she had 28 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: covering from being in the hospital, so she was over 29 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: there for ten or twelve days to recover, so she 30 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: wasn't home. And you know, she talked to Sarah every 31 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: day and she had seen Sarah during the week, but 32 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: she said she haven't been able to get in touch 33 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: with her. So I said, well, it's Friday night at 34 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: ten thirty. You know, she's either sleeping or she's out, 35 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: or her phones died or something and she's charging it. 36 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: Sarah always had things going on, seem like twenty four 37 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: hours a day, so she'd be up at four o'clock 38 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: in the morning talking to people in Australia or London 39 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: or California. So okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, I just 40 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: got to ask you. It's neither here nor there, but 41 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: why is Sarah up at four o'clock in the morning 42 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: talking to people in Australia. Well, they were friends. They 43 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: were her YouTube and the internet friends that she had 44 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: met at vidcom, Buffer, Fast book Con, Comic Con. Okay, 45 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait, I'm learning what. Tell me 46 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: about all the cons she went to. Well, VidCon, which 47 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: you know is in I gets in different places. I 48 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: don't know. There was California, Anaheim, a couple of times, 49 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: New York, Toronto, so she was kind of jumping around 50 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: all over the place along with gone to the people 51 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: she liked that Grace hell Big and Jenna Marbles and 52 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: Hannah Heart autograph parties and things like that. That they 53 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: would have a bookstore, signings and stuff. So she was 54 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: into the very heavily into internet YouTube and you know, 55 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: the social media. Celebrate online video with your friends, meet 56 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: your favorite creators, have the time of your life, create 57 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: better content, grow your channel, break into the industry, meet 58 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: fellow creators. Wow. Okay, so I'm learning all about what 59 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: this is VidCon and I guess everyone, all the YouTubers, 60 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: all the TikTokers, all of them show up at vidcan 61 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: So do I have an understanding of what VidCon is? 62 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: Michael Stern. Yes, that's exactly the way it is. It's 63 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: the kind of an international national media thing where it 64 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: could be local or a distant And Sarah had friends 65 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: in Australia, London. Oh yeah, I'm looking at it right now. 66 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: Australia London are the ones they mentioned. So she's all 67 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: over the map. Now you mentioned another thing she liked 68 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: to go to. What was that started with a bee 69 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: as a brother? Well, let's see, there was a buffer fast, 70 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: which is another Internet what's that? But I guess I'm 71 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: gonna have to look that up too, don't don't judge me. 72 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: Did you say buffer fast? Buffer fast? Yeah, that's a 73 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: you know when sometimes when you're downloading a program or 74 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: a video or something, it buffers, you know, just you 75 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: see the little circle going around. Well, buffer Fest was 76 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: kind of a takeoff on that saying, where it was 77 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: an Internet thing where you just learned about the different 78 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: things that were going on in it. I looked it up. 79 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: I have to look everything up. Buffer Festival is a 80 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: four day theatrical showcase of theatrical screenings that celebrates video 81 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: premiers from acclaimed digital creators. Okay, yep, that says annually 82 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: in Toronto, or Ontario. Okay, so she's all about digital 83 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: and see, well, the reason I'm curious about this, Michael 84 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: Stern and I'm going to get back to her car 85 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: being found is Bobby, you can't help me out here. 86 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: I need everybody on this. The bigger her circle is, okay, 87 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: the more people we've got to look at that may 88 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: know where she is or what happened to her, see 89 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's not no longer just let's 90 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: go at the next door neighbor. It's let's go on 91 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: her all of her devices, her phone, her laptop, her desktop, 92 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: her iPad, and who is she talking to? Who are 93 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: her best friends online? She's heavily, heavily involved in and 94 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: in a fun, fun, good way in creating video content. 95 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: Bobby Chicon, I mean that's a little overwhelming for an 96 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: investigator because there's so many directions in which to go 97 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: looking for information about where is Sarah? Do I have 98 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: to go to Vicon and buffer Fest? I mean, it 99 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: really does. It's created in a complete new way of 100 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: having to investigate these cases that wasn't in existence when 101 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: I started in this business. And and so you always 102 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: look at the world of the missing person, the world 103 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: of whoever you're looking at. And while the Internet has 104 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: made the world such a smaller place, in one way, 105 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: it's now completely made you know, the pool of people 106 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: you have to look at and investigate much much larger 107 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: for investigators. And to doctor Bethany Marshall's psychoanalyst joining me 108 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: out of California, Doctor Bethany, this is like a whole 109 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: new world. As Bobby Checkon said, it wasn't like that 110 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: when I first became entered the FBI. Now everybody's world 111 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: has a blown up. And as an investigator, I'm trying 112 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: to find out where Sarah and I find out she 113 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: goes to buffer Fast and vig Con and a lot 114 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: of other places, and she's up at four am talking 115 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: to her friends in other countries, specifically Ontario and Toronto. 116 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: I mean that opens up a whole world. Are people 117 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: creating really alternate IDs online? Well, this is the digital 118 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: version of a young woman, nineteen year old young woman 119 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: traveling all over the world and meeting hundreds and thousands 120 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: of people searching for that one person who may have 121 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: targeted her, become obsessed with her, started to stalk her, 122 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: becomes a little bit like a needle in a Haystack, Nancy. 123 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: When I started on your show on HLN many years ago, 124 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: we kept covering thirteen fourteen, fifteen year olds who had 125 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: been abducted at the hands of predators they had met online. 126 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: And the conventional wisdom Van was, you know, when your 127 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: child goes online to do their homework or to look 128 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: on the internet, make sure they're in the living room 129 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: with the screen facing outwards so everybody can see what 130 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: they're doing. That was the simple advice we gave back then. 131 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: That does not even apply anymore. There are so many devices. 132 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: And as I'm listening to Sarah Stern's father, she was 133 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: at always these festivals and all these different modes of 134 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: communication on the Internet. And let's be clear that let's 135 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: be clear we're talking about the festivals she gets to. 136 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the Fry Festival or Burning Men 137 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: or Coachella where everybody's high and drunk sleeping around. These 138 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: are actual content, creative festivals as they call them, where 139 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: you premiere new theatrical entries online. I mean, it's a 140 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: very creative and positive things she's doing. She's not high 141 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: as a kite and some tent out at Coachella. That's 142 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: not what Sarah Stearns about Bethany. It sounds a like 143 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: a shakespeare festival, you know, got a bunch of I 144 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: don't know that I go that far. I don't know 145 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: that I go that far. But okay, so Michael, Michael, 146 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: I want to go back to Sarah's dad with me 147 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: right now, Michael Stern, tell me about her. I mean, 148 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: that's that's quite the swing of the pendulum, me saying 149 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 1: she's not at Coachella, you know, where everybody's drunk and 150 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: high and the Bethan goes. Yes, it's like Shakespearean festivals. 151 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: I don't think I'd go that far. Michael, Just tell 152 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: me about her. Sarah's kind of hard to describe, but 153 00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: she loved the media and art and creating a you know, 154 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: of of videos and things like that, little vignettes, and 155 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: that's what she was interested in. She liked the podcast 156 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: type of thing. That's Grace Helbig and Jason soul of 157 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: Meda I think it was, and he was Jason was 158 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: one of the people that as soon as he found 159 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: out Sarah was missing. And I don't know how big 160 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: it's following is. It's probably a million, million and a 161 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: half people or something, and Grace Helbig has three million 162 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: or so followers. They were right away, you know, within 163 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: a few days, they were out there, you know, asking 164 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: for help to you know, find there. You know, when 165 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: you said, Michael that Sarah was hard to describe, I 166 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: kind of know what you mean because I've researched her 167 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: and talked to so many people about Sarah. I mean, 168 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: on one hand, she's this happy, go lucky teen girl. 169 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: On the other hand, I look at the photos. She's 170 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: very into digital creation and photos and some of her 171 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: um self photos and I'm not going to say selfies 172 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: because they look as if they're taken by a professional photographer, 173 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: like she's silhouetted looking out into like an afternoon sky. 174 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: I mean, they're very thoughtful and kind of deep. And 175 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: she'd been through a lot because she lost her mother 176 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: so at her very young age. You guys had already 177 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: battled a terminal illness, and Sarah lost her mom at 178 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: a very young age. What happened, Michael, Well, Sarah was fifteen, 179 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: you know, she was younger. Their mother upper with the 180 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: answer for about six years, with five and a half 181 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: six years, and you know, she was on the road 182 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: to recovery, and then she had a recurrence and subsequently 183 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: within a year she passed away, and Sarah at that 184 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: point turned to art and creation, art as a drawing 185 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: and photography, and also I would say film and the 186 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: whole media, television kind of John, I want to ask 187 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: you a question, Michael. You know, I know people ask 188 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,599 Speaker 1: you about Sarah all the time, but I want to 189 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: talk for a moment about Sarah's mom because hearing you 190 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: describe her illness, how she had fought it for so 191 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: many years, and I thought had beaten it, and then 192 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: it came back. I remember when they called me and 193 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: told me that I had a melanoma, and as you know, 194 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: is the most aggressive form of skin cancer. And my 195 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: first thought was, Oh, dear God, please please just let 196 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: me stay here and be with the twins. Just let 197 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: me stay here. And I continue that prayer so so 198 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: many days of the week, and I'm imagining Sarah's mom 199 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: just wanting to stay alive. Sarah's your only child, to 200 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: just stay alive, to get her through school, to get 201 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: her through the bumpy road of life, and help her. 202 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: You know, when you finally go to heaven, you know 203 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: you've done everything you can for your child to try 204 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: as best as you can to give them a happy 205 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: life so that they're set and they're on the path 206 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: to happiness, whatever that may be. And I'm just imagining 207 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: Sarah's mom struggling, just trying to stay alive. For Sarah, yeah, 208 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: it was it was a tough It was a tough 209 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: fight the last year. And you know that you just 210 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: when you don't get any better and you go through 211 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: treatments and operations and chemo, and it just it's a 212 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: tough thing to go through. And you know, Sarah, we 213 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: try to keep things as normal as possible, and you know, 214 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: Steady even killed, so it didn't seem, you know, so dire, 215 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: which it didn't seem like it was a dire in 216 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: the beginning, but as months went by, things didn't get 217 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: Things just weren't getting better. They were just progressively getting worse. 218 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: And it was tough for Sarah. You know, she saw 219 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: her mom. You know, I couldn't do what she used 220 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: to do, and you know, it was tired all the time, 221 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: a lot of doctor's appointments, So it was tough for Sarah. 222 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: When her mom passed away, she kind of found herself. 223 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: She had some very good teachers in high school, photography 224 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: and art teachers who took Sarah under their their wing 225 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: and somehow Sarah just developed his talent within a year 226 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: and she just became a brilliant artist and photographer, which 227 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: was amazing to make. I mean, I've never I've never 228 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: seen a transformation like that. She went from Harley being 229 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: able to you know, throw up, you know, a picture 230 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: with a straight line with the rule or as I 231 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: would say, she just became a brilliant artist in any media, 232 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: didn't matter what it was, pencil, watercolor, animate, whatever she 233 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: took her hand to. She just put her entire being 234 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: into that. And that's how she I think um kind 235 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: of lived to prove, you know that she could be somebody, 236 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, and you know, take the pain away from 237 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: her mother passing away. And I think that's what she did. 238 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: And she just threw herself into art and media and 239 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: she she liked it and that's what kept her. That's 240 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: what kept her going. I mean, I've looked at so 241 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: many of her pieces, her photography especially, and a lot 242 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: of her pencil sketches, and they're incredible. In fact, one 243 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: of her dog, it looks like the dog is about 244 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: to jump off the page. It's so lifelike, and I 245 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: was marveling at her talent. When you said you tried 246 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: to keep everything as normal as possible, as your wife battled, 247 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,239 Speaker 1: what do you mean by that? Well, just you know routines, 248 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: you know, get up, go to school, you know, make lunch, 249 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: take a launch with you or you know, buy lunch 250 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: in school, and you know whatever the activities where sare 251 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: was on the swim team for a season two along 252 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: with her softball. She started UM softball and her freshman 253 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: year on the varsity team and stayed on the varsity 254 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: team throughout school with softball, so that was a good 255 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: uh you know, she just she liked that, she liked 256 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: the camaraderie with the team and stuff, and you know, 257 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: so we kept everything as normal as possible for mother 258 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: would go to the games when she felt up to it, 259 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: you know, the home games and stuff. So everything seemed 260 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: normal except for you know, the elms. So it's just 261 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: kind of you know, you don't want, you don't want 262 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: to start changing lifestyles with a with you know, with 263 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: a young child, you know, even though there is a y. 264 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: So that's we just try to keep possible. We're talking 265 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: about Sarah Stern's mom, Carla Stern, and I'm speaking with 266 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: Sarah's dad, Michael Stern, and he is recounting the call 267 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: he received down in Florida. He's only gone for seven days, 268 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: He's just seen his daughter, and suddenly, after not being 269 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: able to reach her since about ten thirty that evening, 270 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: he gets a three am ish call telling him her 271 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: car is found on the side of a bridge. When 272 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this bridge and I'm looking at it, 273 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: her car's part over to the far right. There is 274 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: an emergency lane of sorts, so it's not blocking traffic, 275 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: which makes me wonder. Also to our special guests joining 276 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: US crime and Court reporter for NJA dot com and 277 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: star ledger Alex Napolello, Alex, with the car pulled over 278 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: to the side right there in that particular neck of 279 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: the woods. It could have sat there for hours and 280 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: nobody have noticed it. It wasn't blocking traffic. It was 281 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: late at night when it was called in around three am. 282 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,719 Speaker 1: And what can you tell me about the area. I mean, 283 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: it's near Asbury Park, right, Isn't that where Bruce Springsteen 284 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: started in the Stone Pony and Neptune Beach. What can 285 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: you tell me about the area. Correct. So, Neptune City 286 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: is a very tight Neptune city, thank you. It's a 287 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: very tight knit community. At the heart of the Jersey Shore. 288 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: About two miles north is Asbury Park, where as you said, 289 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: famously Bruce Springsteen got his start playing the clubs in Asbury. 290 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: Just to the south of Neptune City is Belmar, which 291 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: is an extremely popular summer destination. It's where many people 292 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: in New Jersey go to vacation. They grow up, kids 293 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: grew up going on the boardwalk in Delmar, and so 294 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: this is a place that's known to practically everyone in 295 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: the state and even across state lines in New York 296 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: and Pennsylvania. But Neptune City is a community where everyone 297 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: knows each other. The Stern family, as Michael could tell you, 298 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: was well known in the area because they owned and 299 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: operated an independent bookstore there, and so in turn, Sarah 300 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: was a well known team in the area. She worked 301 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: at local businesses in the area, and so she was too. 302 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: She was well known. But the bridge where the car 303 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: was discovered, as you said before, was off to the side. 304 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: It could go unnoticed for hours because it wasn't in 305 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: any of the travel lanes. It was simply pulled over. 306 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: I just last week, I was driving over the Route 307 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: thirty five bridge and there was a truck pulled over, 308 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: and I didn't even think twice about it. I just 309 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: kept on driving because it's not that uncommon. You know, 310 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: when people here Neptune Beach or the Jersey Shore, everybody 311 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: thinks of the reality show the Jersey Shore. This area 312 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: could be could not be further from that stereotype, couldn't 313 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: be further because this area where you guys live, Michael, 314 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: it's beautiful. There's beautiful yards, very well kept, tidy, perfectly 315 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: manicured homes, really nice residential areas where you see people 316 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: out walking and jogging and children out with their scooters. 317 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: It's nothing at all like the Jersey Shore gang where 318 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: everybody's passed out drunk on the beach. It was NonStop party. 319 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: This is a real family area. Do I have that right, Michael? Yeah, 320 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: pretty much family area. You know. They the Asbury Park 321 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: is going through like a gentrification and it's coming back, 322 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, from where it was years ago. Kind of 323 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: buildings falling apart, a lot of million dollars investments going 324 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: in along the beach. So it attracts a lot of 325 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: people to the area, and Asbury Park also very small 326 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: Ocean Grove which is part of Neptune. And then you've 327 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: got Bradley Beach and av On, Belmar Spring Lake. So 328 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: there's a lot of small, small towns. If you if 329 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: you're driving through, you can pass through, you know, in 330 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: ten minutes you could pass through five towns. So but 331 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 1: it's you know, there's some middle class, some you know, 332 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: some upper class areas, and it's just a good mix 333 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: of people and businesses and it's just you know, it's 334 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: a nice place. The beaches nearby. Yeah, And I guess 335 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: the point of my analysis of the area is, you know, 336 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: I see everything through the eyes of a felony prosecutor 337 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: and crime victim, and immediately you know, doctor Bethany Marshall, 338 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: psychoanis out of LA went wrong or right? When you 339 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: see a beautiful neighborhood and children out on their scooters 340 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: and people walking and cars pulling into the driveway, it 341 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: gives you a sense of security and safety. And that's 342 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: the backdrop for finding her car stashed on the side 343 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: of the road with the keys in it. I mean, 344 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: this is an area where there's a low crime rate. 345 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: So right or wrong we start trying to figure out 346 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: where Sarah. She's not in her car, and she's left 347 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: the keys in the car. Nancy. A part of good 348 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: mental health is living one's life with the illusion that 349 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: the world is a safe place. This is one of 350 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: the things we're taught at the beginning of our training 351 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: as psychologists and psychoanalysts that people who come into treatment 352 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: who are nervous that their car's going to plunge off 353 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: the road, or they're going to lose all their money, 354 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: they're going to be a victim of a crime usually 355 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: have anxiety disorders. So in a case like this, you 356 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: have a car parked on the bridge, you have a tranquil, calm, 357 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: beautiful neighborhood. As you said, children on scooters. You want 358 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: people in a community like that to live with an 359 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: illusion of safety because that imparts a sense of well being. 360 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: And furthermore, when someone then sees a car on the 361 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: side of the road, they're not going to think the 362 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: worst in a case like this, They're going to think, 363 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: you know, well, you know, maybe somebody got sleepy or tired, 364 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: so they pulled over to take a nap because they 365 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: didn't think they should keep driving. So in an unfortunate way. 366 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: This illusion of safety or that nothing bad can never happen, 367 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: is the kind of environment in which these kinds of 368 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: crimes can blossom. Because nobody's looking over their shoulder. Nobody's 369 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: looking to say, is somebody's stalking Sarah, is somebody obsessed 370 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: with her? Is somebody targeting her? They're just thinking of 371 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: a beautiful, young, artistic woman in a tranquil community, enjoying 372 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: her life. That's what people are thinking. Oh and I 373 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen her picture, but I've studied 374 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: it very carefully. The long black, silky hair, she had 375 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: perfect skin and beautiful eyes. And she was I mean 376 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: compared to me. He's five one. She seems tall and 377 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: thin and statue. She looks athletic. So Bobby Chakohn, with 378 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: that in mind, with the area in mind that Alex 379 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: and Michael are describing, you don't think immediately crime. I 380 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: mean in that area, I would think disabled car. Well, 381 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: you're trying not to jump to any conclusions, and as 382 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: an investigator you go in with you know, open eyes. 383 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: But she also don't want to go in too naive 384 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: because as we say, we say, you know, in those 385 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: early minutes of an investigation like that, if you don't 386 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: handle it properly, there are things and steps that you 387 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: lose if you don't take them, and you can never 388 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: go back, and so you do want to, you know, 389 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: an investigator. This is why maybe investigators suffer from you know, 390 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: certain um anxiety disorders. But we always you know, think 391 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: the worst and hope for the best, because if you 392 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: don't think the worst and you you skip steps, you 393 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: could lose valuable evidence and valuable information that you just 394 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: won't be able to go back and get. And so 395 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: when you see a car like that and it's parked 396 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: there and it has the keys in it, you know 397 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: you do, it does start to raise, you know, that 398 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: level of concern And why would you know, why would 399 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: the person leave the keys if this is a disabled 400 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: car and they're going to help you, would you would 401 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: secure the vehicle before you walk away. So that's exactly 402 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: that's my first that's my first thing that would would 403 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: elevate my concern in this game. Take a listen to 404 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: our Friantoni Yates at Channel seven w ABC our top 405 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: story this half hour, the mystery of a missing nineteen 406 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: year old for mom of Kelly Sarah Stearn was last 407 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: seen late Friday nights. Now her car was found, but 408 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: searches for her attempts to turn it up, and now 409 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: our family and authorities upper reward will help lead to clues. 410 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: New Jersey reported Tony eight in Bellmar the very latest 411 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: on this story. Tony, yes, exactly. If no word nothing, 412 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: no one's heard anything from nineteen year old Sarah Stern. 413 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: Of course, the Mama County Prosecutor's office has taken over 414 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: this investigation. But we're here in Belmar right now because 415 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: you see this behind me, the roote thirty five, a bridge, 416 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: that is where her car was found on Friday night. 417 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: She's nineteen years old again. She is from Neptune, where 418 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: she lived with her father and her grandmother. Her father, 419 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: Michael Stern, actually told us by phone today that he 420 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: was with investigators trying to come up with anything that 421 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: may lead them to his daughter. She'd left home on 422 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 1: Friday night, then hours later, almost in the morning, her car. 423 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: According to publish reports in nineteen ninety four, Delta eighty 424 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: eight was found on the bridge over the Shark River Inlet. 425 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: The New Jersey State Police Missing Persons Unit and the 426 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: National Center for Missing and exploited children are also assisting 427 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: in this investigation. A reward is now being offered in 428 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: this case. Of course, police are saying at this point, 429 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: if anyone has any information on the whereabouts of nineteen 430 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: year old Sarah Stern from Neptune, to please give police 431 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: of hall. With all of this swirling, Michael Stern, I 432 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: can only imagine what was running through your mind when 433 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: you decided to pack up and come home and drive 434 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: through the night starting around three am, to get from 435 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: Florida all the way back home. Well, it was a 436 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: little bit of panic set in, and I started making 437 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: phone calls even before I left, just try to get 438 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: all the couple of luggage and some things into the 439 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: car so I could, you know, we could get moving, 440 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, on the road, and making phone calls to 441 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: try to find out if anybody knew anything else, you know, 442 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: where Sarah was. You know, we had already you know, 443 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: made a few calls and nothing. Nothing came out of 444 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: that except that nobody could find Sarah. She wasn't she 445 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: wasn't with friends, she wasn't with neighbors, she wasn't with family. 446 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: So it was just a kind of a panic for 447 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: hours during the drive How did you control that feeling 448 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: when you were driving? Because I remember when I had 449 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: just packed up the children, everything, and we had flown 450 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: back home to New York and got everybody in bathed, 451 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: in bed, and my mom called, it's about eleven o'clock 452 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: at night, and she said, they put your dad on 453 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: life support. And I remember standing in that exact spot 454 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: in our apartment and I said, Daddy, just hang on, 455 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: I'm on the way, I'm coming right now. And I 456 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: started I remember it sounded like a siren in my throat, screaming, okay, everybody, 457 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: get your clothes back on right now, get yourself packed. 458 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: And I started throwing everything back in the in our 459 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: bags we had just unpacked. And about fifteen minutes we 460 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,719 Speaker 1: were all out at eleven fifteen at night on the 461 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: sidewalk trying to held a cab and I didn't know 462 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: how we were going to get home at that time 463 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: of the night, but I had to get home. And 464 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: the next hours were like a horrible odyssey when I 465 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: was far away from my dad and I couldn't get 466 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: to him. What was going through your mind and your 467 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: heart and your body, is you're driving that very very 468 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: hours and hours from Florida back to New Jersey. Well, 469 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: we were all just trying to figure out, you know, 470 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: what happened and why the car was up there, and 471 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: that was that, you know, whether it was ran out 472 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: of gas or mechanical problems. And Sarah was just you know, 473 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: she was hiding and didn't want anybody to find her 474 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: because you know, she felt that Sarah was you know, 475 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: she would take things to heart and she would you know, 476 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: feel that you know, sometimes if things were her faults, 477 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: she just wanted to disconnect from the world. But you know, 478 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: this just nothing seemed right, nothing at all seemed right. 479 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: From her Grandmam calling me to you know, see if 480 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: I could get in touch with her find out what's 481 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: going on. But you know, it just it was kind 482 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: of panic the whole time. And then like five am, 483 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: about two hours later, we were in contact with the 484 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: Belmar Police, the Neptune City Police, the Coast Guard. There 485 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: was a lot of people involved in the search and 486 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: looking for to try to find out where she was. 487 00:31:53,400 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: And it just panic just stayed and it just didn't 488 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: get any better during the day because we still couldn't 489 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: figure things out. There was a lot of strange things, right. 490 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: Police then doing an alternate investigation. Take listen to police 491 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: bodycam audio as they enter the Sterns home. There's a 492 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: teenager that's supposed to be driving, it's parked on top 493 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: of that bridge. Or getting no answer at the house. 494 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: I have an open door of the house. I might 495 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: go inside and make sure everything is kosher here. I 496 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: don't want to make sure we don't have a jumper. 497 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: Snounce yourself, really well, that's the same fors Hello, Hello, 498 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: that's SA Force. Police go to her house. The backdoor 499 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: is open and the lights are on, and there is 500 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: no sign of Sarah. Hello, where is Sarah? Stung Nancy 501 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: Grace signing off good bye to me,