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Speaker 1: the fish Stripes podcast channel with me Eli Sussman, the

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Speaker 1: managing editor of fish Stripes, where we cover your Miami

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Speaker 1: Marlins every day in our own way, continuing a mini

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Speaker 1: series here on fish Stripes Marlins off season shopping before

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Speaker 1: season targets for the Marlins, both free agencies and via trade.

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Speaker 1: In case you missed it. Two weeks ago, we did

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Speaker 1: Iole one, last week we did Ile two. This is

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Speaker 1: you could find all those in the same We appreciate

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Speaker 1: all the feedback, all the subscriptions, ratings and reviews. That

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Speaker 1: stuff is awesome as we head into the most exciting

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Speaker 1: time of year. And if you've been following the series,

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Speaker 1: we have been building up from based on players how

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Speaker 1: the Marlins could go after. As with the previous episodes,

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Speaker 1: I am joined by Kevin Barrall, by Lewis Addio Weiss

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Speaker 1: and slightly different approach to this isle, where for the

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Speaker 2: So a name that we've had linked to the Marlins,

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Speaker 2: What a play. Since it started twenty nineteen, been a

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Speaker 2: So that was the hypothetical trade that I had. But

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Speaker 2: don't think Miami would be a problem. Eli, what are

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Speaker 1: He's he's such a He's a good player, and because

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's actually where one could go to with him.

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Speaker 4: Is it? I really don't. I can't say much about it.

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Speaker 2: necessarily get it done. Do you give him that third

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Speaker 2: year that he may be requesting to land him, or

435
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Speaker 2: do you give him two with an option? You know, like,

436
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Speaker 2: do you stoop to his needs to get him in

437
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Speaker 2: the lineup because you're really that desperate for offense at

438
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Speaker 2: the end of the day. I think that'll be up

439
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Speaker 2: to Sherman and co. To see where they go with that.

440
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Speaker 2: But I mean, yeah, like there's a multitude of circumstances

441
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Speaker 2: that could play out that could make him in Miami

442
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Speaker 2: a really nice fit. But we'll just see how that transpires.

443
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Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of I draw the line pretty

444
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Speaker 1: firmly at a two year deal and you have to

445
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Speaker 1: pay a little steeper on average annual value, you do it.

446
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Speaker 1: But that's kind of where I would draw the line

447
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Speaker 1: because you don't want to get into a situation where

448
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Speaker 1: do you end up regretting it down the road and

449
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 1: keep stacking these deals. So I understand the risks about it.

450
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Speaker 1: If they are going to get it done, I think,

451
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Speaker 1: within reason needs to be a certain level where where

452
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Speaker 1: he may be out of reach. But I think I

453
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Speaker 1: think this is a possibility, and that's the only reason

454
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Speaker 1: why I'm bringing it up.

455
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Speaker 2: All right. The next thay I'm gonna go with is

456
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Speaker 2: somebody that I prefaced to you yesterday. Eli picture with

457
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Speaker 2: the Rays, and we know the Rays developed pitching out

458
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 2: the wazoo the way the Astros do. They just have

459
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Speaker 2: the proclivity for doing that. And that's Jeffrey Springs, now

460
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Speaker 2: a name that most people may not be familiar with,

461
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Speaker 2: and for those who do follow the Marlins on a

462
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Speaker 2: daily basis to know the last time they created with

463
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Speaker 2: the Rays when they got I believe it was Lewis

464
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Speaker 2: Head last year that to really work out all that well,

465
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Speaker 2: though he was coming off a strong year. This is

466
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Speaker 2: a little bit different. Jeffrey Springs is primarily a starting pitcher,

467
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Speaker 2: though he kind of moonlight in the bullpen earlier in

468
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Speaker 2: the season. Thirty three games. He started twenty six of them.

469
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Speaker 2: But just the overall like eat the surface level and

470
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Speaker 2: even like the numbers beneath the surface were just great

471
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Speaker 2: for him. Two forty six ra he pitched the most

472
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Speaker 2: innings he ever did in twenty twenty two. His home

473
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 2: run rate was under one home run allowed for nine innings.

474
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Speaker 2: His k rate has always been pretty good this year

475
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Speaker 2: nine point six k's per nine. He is eligible for

476
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Speaker 2: arbitration this year. Believe this is the first year he's

477
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Speaker 2: arbitration eligible. But you know, for a guy who is

478
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Speaker 2: making a little bit more than the league minimum, that

479
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Speaker 2: shouldn't be anything more than say five seven million dollars

480
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Speaker 2: depending on how the Rays are going to go about

481
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Speaker 2: that process. If they do in fact, don't trade him,

482
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Speaker 2: and he's not rumored, it's just a guy that you know,

483
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Speaker 2: could make sense for the Marlins, though again they don't

484
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Speaker 2: need starting pitching. It's always you know, if you could

485
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Speaker 2: add a guy like that to your rotation, who's like

486
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Speaker 2: another say he's like another Pablo Lopez. He's a safe

487
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Speaker 2: bet kind of guy. He's going to give you innings

488
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Speaker 2: and for what he gave the Raise in twenty twenty two,

489
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Speaker 2: I mean they're pretty high level volume of innings. I

490
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Speaker 2: wrote about Hayes's Lizardo recently and we're gonna be talking

491
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Speaker 2: about him on an upcoming Phishology podcast. Talked about like

492
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Speaker 2: run values a little bit, and I talked about how

493
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 2: negative run values indicate that a pitcher had success with

494
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Speaker 2: a pitch. He had negative run values on three of

495
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 2: his primary pitches. So he's a fastball, change up, slider guy.

496
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 2: All were negative, all generated negative run values. Very productive pitcher.

497
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Speaker 2: I mean, he just does a lot of little things well.

498
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Speaker 2: But the trade that I maybe threw out there, and

499
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Speaker 2: I already mentioned Edward Cabrera in a possible clubs deal,

500
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Speaker 2: if the Rays want more pitching in return, then I'll

501
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Speaker 2: give them Edward Cabrera and hey, Sue Sanchez if they're

502
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Speaker 2: ready to move on from Kevin Kerwire, Like, you know,

503
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Speaker 2: like the Rays. Again, I don't question their methods. They've

504
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Speaker 2: clearly shown that even with a lineup where guys who

505
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Speaker 2: tend to strike out quite a bit, they have a

506
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Speaker 2: couple of guys in their lineup who tend to exude

507
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Speaker 2: that skill set of just hitting the ball over the

508
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Speaker 2: fence but missing a lot of missing the ball a

509
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Speaker 2: lot of the time when they're hitting Mike Zanino being examples,

510
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Speaker 2: I think they could make it work with a guy

511
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Speaker 2: like Sanchez. But you know, from a trade value perspective,

512
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Speaker 2: it's pretty similar. I mean you draw it up on

513
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: trade values, it's just about dead, even if not slightly

514
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Speaker 2: in favor of the Rays in this sense. But yeah,

515
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Speaker 2: I mean the Marlins. You know, again, it's not the

516
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: most pressing need. But he's just a very affordable I

517
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: think he's affordable and he's very effective. And especially now

518
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Speaker 2: with the rumors that came out today for those who

519
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: weren't paying attention, rumors did circulate today that the Marlins

520
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: are further engaging in trade talks with Pablo Lopez and

521
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Speaker 2: other teams. I mean, he was linked to the Yankees

522
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 2: and the Minnesota Twins at some point last season and

523
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Speaker 2: head of the deadline. So if you want to replace

524
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Speaker 2: him with another guy who is going to give you

525
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: more control and maybe projects slightly better, then this is

526
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Speaker 2: I think a guy that's worthy in making that investment.

527
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Speaker 4: In Yeah, I mean I just talk. I don't really

528
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Speaker 4: think they are any much more starting pitching if you throw

529
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Speaker 4: him in a reliever role. Long reliever. Yeah, sure, looks

530
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Speaker 4: like a nice deal. And yeah, you you know you

531
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Speaker 4: always need pitching. I guess is the model we could

532
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Speaker 4: use in this case. But I don't know. It's just

533
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Speaker 4: weird you have Yury on the brink of making the

534
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 4: big leagues. He will debut in twenty twenty three, is

535
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Speaker 4: the expectation. Dax Spulton may debut at the end of

536
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three if he's really that good, and Double

537
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Speaker 4: A moves up the tripa A. You know, worst case

538
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 4: would be sometime in twenty twenty four. Jake Eaters already

539
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 4: coming back. It's just a little bit weird to bring

540
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Speaker 4: in a guy like Jeffrey Springs, although I know you

541
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Speaker 4: mentioned that he wasn't a reliever World Points this year,

542
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Speaker 4: and he was, and I would love to have him

543
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Speaker 4: as a reliever if that's the case. And I don't

544
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Speaker 4: know why Tampa would want Hazy Sanchiz back again after

545
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Speaker 4: trading him away. A little bit weird there, but I

546
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Speaker 4: mean if they want him back, sure, why not. And

547
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Speaker 4: the Rayson know what they do and they develop hitting

548
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Speaker 4: very well, so maybe they could fix him up after

549
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 4: a long stin in Miami. But I don't hate I

550
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 4: don't hate Jeffrey Springs. It's just it's just a little

551
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Speaker 4: bit puzzling that they would bring him in.

552
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Speaker 1: I just want to highlight how unusual his career has

553
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Speaker 1: been to this point. So he's fished with the Rangers

554
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Speaker 1: and the Red Socks, and they almost use him exclusively

555
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Speaker 1: out of the pen. With those teams didn't and he

556
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Speaker 1: didn't have success with them, like he was a struggling reliever.

557
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: And I remember when the Rays traded to acquire him,

558
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: it was this tiny footnote of a deal because nobody

559
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Speaker 1: thought much of Jeffrey Springs, a twenty eight year old

560
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: mediocre reliever being dealt to the Rays. And in that

561
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: first year twenty twenty one, he pitched fairly well exclusively

562
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: in relief that year. And then this year is that

563
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: first year where he has been used primarily as a

564
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: starter in this kind of tweeted role where he doesn't

565
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: work super deep into games. But those first two times

566
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: through a lineup, he has a two and a half era.

567
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: He's spectacular, like two and a half times through a lineup,

568
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: So this would be it's just an example of a

569
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Speaker 1: slightly different approach than what the Marlins had been working

570
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: towards this point where this is a team that has

571
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: touted about how amazing it's starting pitching options are, and

572
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: the hope that every single day they would have somebody

573
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Speaker 1: that could potentially work super deep into the game, and

574
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Speaker 1: you know, somebody like Springs who his era is right

575
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: on par with Andy al Contra, but he doesn't go

576
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: deep into the games. You need to accept the fact

577
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Speaker 1: that he has some sort of limitations if he's going

578
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Speaker 1: to perform at this level, and that he just hasn't

579
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Speaker 1: been on this conventional path, like he's now twenty nine

580
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: years old and he's only had one season kind of

581
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: like this at all in the big leagues. So I'd

582
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: be scared. This is the kind of player personally, I'd

583
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: be scared to acquire from the race where he suddenly

584
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: puts it all together when he goes to the Rays

585
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: and you worry about it all following for whatever reason

586
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: once he gets out of those magic waters. So I'd

587
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: be a little scared of it. I just do want

588
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: to go back to the point brought up about Pablo

589
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: that I think is going to be important to keep

590
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Speaker 1: in mind that if there is this expectation that he's

591
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: going to be traded this offseason that the Marlins. It

592
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: really wouldn't be a total shock with that trade, and

593
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: also of course with injuries that happened at the end

594
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: of last year to Max Meyer and the fact that

595
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: Jake Eater is still recovering from Tommy John Like, there

596
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: could be this window for twenty twenty three where it

597
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me if they do acquire some kind of

598
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: starting pitching from outside the organization to get them through

599
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: this year. At the very least they are in that

600
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: kind of awkward spot. I agree that that.

601
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you want me to name my next guy Lewis,

602
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 4: go ahead, cap yep, all right, So there's a couple

603
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 4: guys I could go with, But I'm gonna go into

604
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 4: the trade target. Eli very quickly mentioned him when talking

605
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 4: to center fielders, and I'm gonna go Cergric Mullens with

606
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 4: the Baltimore Orioles. You would have to trade Pablo to

607
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 4: get Cedric Mullens. I would say, this is a team

608
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 4: that really would like some striding pitching, especially to upgrade it.

609
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 4: Although their rotation was pretty good, I mean it cut

610
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 4: them through most of the season, cut them over five hundred,

611
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 4: but you know, you have John means coming back, so

612
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 4: you would maybe like to pair them up with Pablo

613
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 4: at some point. Cedric Mullens has his control. He has

614
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 4: some control as well, and obviously, as we know, he

615
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 4: would fill the need at center field for years to come.

616
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 4: He had a little bit of a down year. I

617
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 4: guess you could say two fifty eight three eighteen four

618
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 4: three seven, twenty one sixteen homers four RBIs a little

619
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 4: bit of a down here. But I mean, I guess

620
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 4: you could kind of say that his twenty twenty one

621
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 4: season was a little bit surprising just seeing his past

622
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 4: his past numbers, so he kind of went back down

623
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 4: to his usual numbers. But I mean it's better than nothing,

624
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 4: and pretty good defense overall. I like Cedric Mullins. I

625
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 4: think he can maned down center field. Camden Yards went

626
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,239
Speaker 4: from a hitters park to now left field being one

627
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 4: of the steepest usen in a while. So yeah, I

628
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 4: want I would like Cedric Mullens. I don't know what

629
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 4: it would take. I know Pablo would be in that deal.

630
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, Eli would you add more to get

631
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 4: Cedric Mullens or maybe like a prospect more just to

632
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 4: entice the Oriels to actually make that move because this

633
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 4: is a team that looks to compete in twenty twenty three.

634
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 4: After you know that that success that they had, You

635
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 4: have prospects on the on the rise. You have Grace

636
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 4: and Rodriguez coming up. You have Gunnar Henderson who made

637
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 4: his debut. That team's looking pretty good in that farm

638
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 4: system is getting better and better, and those guys are

639
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 4: gonna start coming up. So I mean this question to

640
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 4: Lewis as well. You would you add more to a

641
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 4: Cedric Mouls trade with people have to you'd have to eight.

642
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean just because I mean twenty twenty two.

643
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: I think realistically, if I mean, Anila could probably attest

644
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: to this too. What you've got from him in twenty

645
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: twenty two is more indicative of the player that you'd

646
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: likely be acquiring going forward. Every player has an apex season,

647
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: you know, and that made twenty twenty one may have

648
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: just been that. I mean, he was thirty thirty, He was,

649
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: you know, a goal glove caliber center fielder that hasn't

650
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: gone away. He's still in the ninety fourth percentile and

651
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: out above average. He's an above average hitter in terms

652
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: of not striking out. So that's an attractive asset to have.

653
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: He's got power that again plays, though you may have

654
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: to adjust that a little bit, especially going to Miami.

655
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: He is a left handed pole hitter, so we'll see

656
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: a lot of those home runs that were going over

657
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: the fence and over that big wall in Campden yards

658
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: and right field. How does that maybe a if he

659
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: goes to Miami and there's bad at ball data, you

660
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: could see how that may have played up per Baseball Savant,

661
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: you can kind of see how his balls that he

662
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: put into play would have maybe gone over the fence

663
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: and say Miami. But yeah, I think you would have

664
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: to just especially because of where the Orioles are in

665
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: their respective rebuild. I definitely think now with the ascension

666
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: of retchmen and the returning means they've got Gunner Henderson

667
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: came up there, I'm blanking on some of their starting pitching,

668
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: that Grayson Rodriguez will be in the big league soon.

669
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: They have a multitude of young guys position players and

670
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: pitchers that kind of maybe open their eyes to think, like, hey,

671
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: like our competitive window may be opening. And then when

672
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: they kind of look out at the scope of the

673
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: American League East and they see that the Red Sox

674
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: are kind of in this Colorado Rocky Chicago Cubs level

675
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: of sat purgatory because they really don't know the direction

676
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: of their team. I guess going forward, Mullins would be

677
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,239
Speaker 2: a player that the Baltimore Orioles would point to to say, hey, like,

678
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: this is a guy that we need to maybe build around.

679
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: He's a complimentary piece of what could what we envisioned

680
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: to potentially be a championship team. I don't know, I mean,

681
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: I like him a lot. I definitely think that parting

682
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: with Pablo is the starting point, if not another one

683
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: of the starting pitching prospects, they definitely would, like you say,

684
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: Kevin want a proven starter, so Pablo would likely be

685
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: the safer bet. Yeah, I mean, Eli realistically, what do

686
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: you think, though, what would it take to acquire somebody

687
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: like him?

688
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm on the same page as you where I think

689
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: comparing them heads ahead. The fact that he plays such

690
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: a premium position and that he's shown the upside that

691
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: he has during twenty twenty one. I think in the

692
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: vacuum he's going to be more valuable than Pablo for

693
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: a team in the Orioles that I think. Any way,

694
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: you slaze that the Orioles are closer to being a

695
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: playoff contender than the Marlins are, so they're they're not

696
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: be eager to get rid of Mullins, even with the

697
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: other position player talent that they have in their organization,

698
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: like he's going to be. It would take quite a hall.

699
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: It would take Pablo and probably another very significant pitching prospect,

700
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: and maybe you get the Orioles to expand the trade

701
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 1: and include like a lower level hitting prospect in return.

702
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: You make it like a four player deal or even

703
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: a five player deal. I think ultimately that, yeah, it

704
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: would be the idea of Pablo from Mollins one on one.

705
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: I think that'd be a little bit optimistic. From the

706
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: Marlins perspective, I'm not sure that is going to get

707
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: it done considering what both teams are trying to accomplish. Overall,

708
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: he's an awesome player. He is. I know he's beloved

709
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: in Baltimore even this year, just as much this year

710
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: as he was in twenty twenty one. They love his

711
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: style of play and the number of ways that he

712
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: can impact a game. Just another player that had such

713
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: an unconventional path to get here. He used to be

714
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: a switch. Do you have this ready used to be

715
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: a switch hitter and then he because on just hitting

716
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: from the left side, and that's when his career took off,

717
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: even several years until his career. Yeah you don't, Yeah,

718
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: well kind of populistanabal. Yeah, but I think his case

719
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: is really even more unique considering the timing of how

720
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: it all came together. He's going to be hard to

721
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: get he is, but he It's a short list of

722
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: center fielders out there that we feel are going to

723
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: that would make some sense for the team, and I

724
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: think it's worth mentioning. We've probably at this point mentioned

725
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: just about all of them that we think could be available.

726
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: In earlier episodes. We did Ramon Lariano, we did Brian

727
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: Reynolds earlier in this show, we did Michael A. Taylor,

728
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: We've done Cedric Mullins, and I'm sure I know we

729
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: have at list one coming up in the Final Aisle

730
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: as well. Like everybody in center field, that is the

731
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: issue that has been unaddressed by the Marlins for over

732
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: a year now, ever since they traded away Marte, and

733
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: so we got to keep talking about it until they

734
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: do something to address it. As I'm going to transition

735
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: to only just the second guy I want to mention

736
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: on here. I did my hitter, and the one pitcher

737
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: that has been on my mind is a very unconventional

738
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: one that we didn't know anything about until the twenty

739
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: twenty two season because he hadn't played in the majors

740
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: to that point. But it is Red's closer Alexis Diaz,

741
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: the younger brother of Edwin Diaz, who just was spectacular

742
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: this year. And as I peek around, I see that

743
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm not kind of on my own in terms of

744
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: advocating for him as a trade candidate, given where the

745
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: Reds are and the rebuild and what you usually do

746
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: with relievers or other people that have brought this up

747
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: as an idea. But I want to just take credit

748
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: for being on him early, like he was somebody that

749
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 1: I was bringing up three months ago at the trade deadline.

750
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 1: I thought I'd seen enough by the end of July

751
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: to think that this is somebody pretty special, pretty special

752
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: stuff out of the bullpen that they should try to

753
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: pry away if possible, from the Reds, given them where

754
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 1: the Reds are in this situation. But three point one

755
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: Baseball Reference war this past year, and he didn't even

756
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: spend the entire year pitching consistently. He was actually on

757
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: their active roster the whole year, but only fifty nine

758
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: appearances in sixty three and two thirds innings. He was

759
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: able to accrue that much value, and he worked his

760
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: way into the closer's role with the Reds, which is

761
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: something that's extremely uncommon to happen if you are a

762
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: rookie the way that he was so naturally he's going

763
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: to have another five years of club control. It just

764
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: to me what stands out is the quality of his

765
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: stuff and the characteristics of his stuff, the way that

766
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: his fastball moves and the way that his slider moves.

767
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: Both of those pitches are pretty immediately like on the

768
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: higher end of all of baseball in terms of missing bats.

769
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: The question with him, as with a lot of other

770
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: young relievers, is simply how many strikes is he going

771
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: to throw? As long as he is getting ahead in

772
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: count ounce, he is going to be successful. And for

773
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: the most part, he was able to do that enough

774
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: this year, even when he wasn't. The way that he

775
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: avoids hard contact, I'm going to get his stat cast

776
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: sliders on the screen in a moment just to show

777
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: you how off the charts. He is in pretty much

778
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: everything except for his walk rate, second percent, Tiland walk

779
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: rate and bright red and everything else that he did

780
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: during his rookie season. Yeah, it's the fastball velocity and

781
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: the spin, and you combine that, it's the extension he

782
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: gets off the mound that that as well, that's something

783
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: you can't always notice watching live, but he delivers the

784
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: ball closer to home plate. His fastball is one of

785
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: the truly best pitches in the game I think moving forward,

786
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: So the way that he performed this year for a

787
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: team that I think he's going to be listening on

788
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: just about everybody. Given where the Reds are in their

789
00:38:54,760 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: rebuild for Amarlon Seam that I think pretty clearly he's

790
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: going to have to do something outside the organization to

791
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: upgrade their high leverage relief options. This would be a

792
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: pretty big swing, and he is kind of a very

793
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: unusual candidate. He's one of the only guys I could

794
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: say that is a conventional rookie with so little experience

795
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: that I'm already so sold on. So if they could

796
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: find the right deal, it would require giving up a

797
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: pretty substantial either prospect or potentially one of these other

798
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: young starting rotation candidates. I mean, you can potentially see

799
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: a deal where they involve one of their current young

800
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: starters and flip them directly to the Reds, where the

801
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: Reds get more endings, but the Marlins get somebody for

802
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: this very particular role. I think it's something definitely worth exploring.

803
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: What do you guys.

804
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: Think would you partner with a Max Meyer for him?

805
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: I mean, was that, especially now going through the Tommy

806
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: John rehab. Is he attractive enough that you think you

807
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: can get maybe three or four good years out of

808
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: him host surgery.

809
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 1: That's a fascinating one.

810
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: So that's the first name that came to mind. It's

811
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: like potential, it's equal things potential, but like you'd also

812
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: maybe part with it to get somebody like this, I mean, right.

813
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 1: And the reason why Meyer is interesting is because he's

814
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: somebody that, as much as we've loved him at times

815
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: during his development, there's always been that reliever.

816
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: Risk in it exactly.

817
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: So if you're thinking about it, is maxim I ever

818
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: going to be as good as alexis d is is

819
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: right now, especially if they're both for relievers. And I

820
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: think the answer is that you really can't expect any

821
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: other pitcher to reach this level. So I think that's

822
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: something you would think about. I would start lower with

823
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: the negotiations. But if it comes to that, Jake Peter,

824
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: well yeah, well Jake Eater is probably I think that's

825
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: someone that I would be even more willing to give

826
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: up without overthinking it too much. Yeah. So I think ideally,

827
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: when you talk about relievers, as we've covered in previous episodes,

828
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: the best way to go about it is simply go

829
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: into free agency, give them a one or two year deal,

830
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: and simply use your cash instead of your young talent.

831
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: But we covered most of those guys already, so this

832
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: is kind of that one exception where I think about

833
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: doing something very risky words to get him in the

834
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 1: bullpen for the next half decade hopefully.

835
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean look at him by run values. I

836
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 2: mean it's like not even fair. Like the expected numbers

837
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: on the fastball are great, the expected numbers on the

838
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: slider great. I think he threw like one curveball last season,

839
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: but it's like, yeah, you know what you're gonna get.

840
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: It's like, I mean he kind of like like by

841
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: pitch profile, it's like a Caimberal esque projection. Of power, fastball,

842
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: elite wipeout breaking ball. But if you can kind of

843
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: fine tune your command a little bit, and I have

844
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: faith in Melstodemeyer Junior's ability to work with pitchers, that

845
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: that may be a real possibility. Yeah, I mean that

846
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 2: would be an attractive option in the Marlins woopen would

847
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: be a little worry some at points, given the you know,

848
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: the Najor base of all. You know that those command

849
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 2: issues may kind of rear their head at some point

850
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: next season. But for five years with the kind of

851
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 2: stuff that he has, barring he stays healthy, Yeah, he

852
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: would be among the more attractive things to watch at

853
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: Marlon games in twenty twenty three and beyond should they

854
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: go out and do something like that.

855
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 4: And not only that, you look at his brother, Edwin Diaz,

856
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 4: who just got that huge extension, So he definitely may

857
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 4: have some some of that in him. So maybe that'll work,

858
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 4: and maybe he has a cool entrance if he comes

859
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 4: to Miami. We just have to choose what song it'll

860
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 4: be for him. But I like it. I like Alex Diaz. Alexistias.

861
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, and I know Eli you mentioned this guy

862
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 4: since the trade deadline so full props you for tracking

863
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 4: this guy down. I know you who he was. I

864
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 4: was actually able to watch him live very very close

865
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 4: when I sat in the P and C Bar or

866
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 4: whatever it's called P and C Club. They're so very

867
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 4: cool to see him there. So yeah, Lewis, you're up next,

868
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 4: I believe.

869
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, lasting on him. You have to give a credit

870
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: to the Reds. They've done a pretty good job throughout

871
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: this rebuild, a kind of putting together some pretty good pictures.

872
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: Graham Ashcraft another guy there that's an attractive guy who's

873
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: been a pretty reliable big view for him. And then

874
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: now you have obviously Dias. I mean they've a credit

875
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: to them turning a swell round pickt to what would

876
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: potentially be a nice return should they decide to dangle

877
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: them and trade talks. All right, Now, I have two

878
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: guys here that are middle infield middle endfielders. One in

879
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: the middle endfielder, another guy's at third baseman. I'll save

880
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: the big fish for the last and I'll go with

881
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: a geo or show up if you really don't know

882
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: about third base, like if you're really unsure, and the

883
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: Twins are kind of in this limbo phase now too,

884
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: given that Correa is gone, who knows if he'll be back.

885
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: We never know Byron Buxton is gonna put together a

886
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 2: full season. He's great on a pro rated basis, but again,

887
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 2: like he's never out there for one hundred and thirty games.

888
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: I Joe Orchella, ever since he went to the Yankees

889
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, something just clicked with him. Offensively. He

890
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: was always like utility and fielder with the Indians, good guy,

891
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: like put in the World Series in sixteen. You liked

892
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: them for his glove, and then something just kinda turned.

893
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 2: He flipped the switch in twenty nineteen. He's got a

894
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: one twenty one ops plus in twenty twenty two, one

895
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: nineteen since twenty nineteteen, I mean, his power profile is

896
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: like that of Brian Anderson, but with Brian Anderson you

897
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: don't get the durability. And it's like, do you want

898
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: to commit big dollars to Brian Anderson and would you

899
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 2: rather maybe pay a little bit more in arbitration for

900
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: a guy like Erschella and know that you're going to

901
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: get one hundred and thirty games with average to slightly

902
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 2: above average defense at third base. He can move line

903
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: at shortstop. You wouldn't be too upset about that, though

904
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: obviously I think he profiles better at third. If you're

905
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: not fully committed with Protionis at third, you could put

906
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: ur Shella there. I think there's a lot to like.

907
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: I mean, he was literally he literally just made this list.

908
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: He was at three point one Baseball Reference war but

909
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: he's shown in the last two stops. New York wasn't

910
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: the only place where his dad would play. He went

911
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: to more of a picture friendly ballpark in Minnesota. And yeah,

912
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: like I I'm a big Geo Orshella guy. I think

913
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: he's a very competent Big leau player. It's kind of

914
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: like a Justin Turner story where he was floundering in the

915
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: big league for a little bit. He wasn't really hitting.

916
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: You kind of had him there as of glove, and

917
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: like I said, he once he went to New York

918
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 2: the same way that Turning with the daughters out of

919
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: the twenty fourteen season, things just kind of kicked into

920
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: gear and he's been great ever since. But yeah, I

921
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 2: mean big fan of his. Let me know what you

922
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 2: guys think, though, I think he'd be an attractive option

923
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: that wouldn't cost him that much. I believe in you

924
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 2: believe he's got one year left ahead of free agency.

925
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 4: So if they were to let him go, who would

926
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 4: replace him as a thing, because they just brought him

927
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 4: into and I assume you know he's pretty young, So

928
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 4: who would replace jee Orshella In Minnesota? I don't really

929
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 4: know that system too.

930
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: They are in an interesting spot where they do have

931
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: a decent crop of fielders to trade with, which this

932
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: also refers back to my successful offseason article that's coming out.

933
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: I do have a Twins trade in there because they

934
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: have an interesting combination of these veteran infielders who are

935
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: above average regulars and also recently promoted young guys. The

936
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: younger brother of Dee Gordon, Nick Gordon. He had a

937
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: pretty interesting year playing different positions. The one that was

938
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: probably even more impressive in the year was Miranda, exactly

939
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: Jose Miranda, who plays several different spots. They use him

940
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: a lot at first base. Oh, they already have Luis

941
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: Arise who plays first or second or third whenever they

942
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: need it. They do have probably a surplus there of

943
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: infielders where the question is which one do they trade out?

944
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: The guys that are just coming up and could have

945
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: more upside, or are they trading the ones that are

946
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: sort of at the peak of their value, like or

947
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: Sheela might be at this stage. He's somebody that you

948
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: think would be available, the kind of option that is

949
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: not really on the table during the regular season at

950
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: the trade deadline because the team at that stage was

951
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: still clinging into contention. During the off season, it's it's

952
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: wide open as to what they'll do because even on

953
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: top of that, this is a team that if they

954
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: bring back Carlos Korea, or if they spend a similar

955
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: amount of money on one of the many star infielders

956
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: in free agency, it's a It's an ownership group that

957
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: has more willingness to spend than you would think despite

958
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: being in the market that they're in. This is it's

959
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: a fascinating one because also from the Marlins perspective, third

960
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: base is a very it's a position in flux for

961
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: the Marlins where you have they have a lot of

962
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: internal candidates that can play third base. I don't even

963
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: want to spend too much time listening all of them,

964
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: because we saw it was a rotation really this year

965
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: between rookies coming up and the veterans who can handle

966
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: that as well, they have so many options. The problem

967
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: is that like none of them really stepped up and

968
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: had a total lock on that position. Like it's Urshelle

969
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: is simply better than all of their internal options. He

970
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: might be, and if he is, then nothing should slow

971
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: them down from trying to get him. I am with

972
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: you on that.

973
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it would give you a Venezuela and left

974
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: side of the infield Miguel Rojas and Gio Orchella. Yeah,

975
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: I do more there, I don't think. I don't know

976
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 2: how much that play into it. But again, uh yeah,

977
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: I'm an Arcella guy, so I and again, with one

978
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: year ahead of free agency, I don't know how much

979
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 2: it would take to really you know, they would open up.

980
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: You know, Miranda could assume every day duty's at third base.

981
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: It would give the twins and ability to you know,

982
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: and if listen, if like if Pablo Lopez were a

983
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: guy that you wanted to dangle to the twins. Again,

984
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: I think Arcella is a good starting point. I mean

985
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: I could even see a one one swap. I think

986
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: Pablo what he has two years of control. I think

987
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: you get similar value from Orchella in twenty twenty three

988
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: that you get from Pablo uh this past season. So again,

989
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 2: I don't think it'd be the worst thing. You know,

990
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 2: you may be able to include somebody else in them, maybe,

991
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: like you said, he maybe a lower level prospect could

992
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 2: make it work. But again, if like if you the

993
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: concerns about Brian Anderson are there, if you want to

994
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: maybe bring Anderson back in say a super utility rule

995
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: where he was kind of what he was kind of

996
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 2: relegated to at the end of last season, where he's

997
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 2: playing a lot of outfield occasional starts at third base,

998
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: then maybe you do that and you kind of make

999
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: him what Luke Williams was. But with obviously you have

1000
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: more faith in the bat. We know Louke Williams obviously

1001
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 2: today just claimed off waivers with the Dodgers, so he's

1002
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: the longe so one of the internal third base options

1003
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 2: though he didn't see all that much time there now

1004
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 2: on the Moderns organization. Yeah, but if that's a move

1005
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 2: they can pull off, I don't think it makes them

1006
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: a contender right away, but I also think it gives

1007
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: them a short term answer at third base while they

1008
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 2: wait for maybe the market to further develop, you know,

1009
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: next year. And again if Urschella has a good year,

1010
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: not somebody that you'd be all that hesitant on re

1011
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: signing depending on what his underlying metrics today. But what

1012
00:49:58,760 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: else you got?

1013
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 4: keV? All Right? So I do have another. I have

1014
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 4: a Yankee left fielder, Andrew bennin Tendy. I. You know,

1015
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 4: this is a guy who the Marlins had passed interest in.

1016
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 4: When you combine his stats from both the Royals and

1017
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 4: the Yankees, he was pretty damn good. Three zero four

1018
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 4: batting average three seventy three OBP three ninety nine slugging

1019
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 4: seven seventy two ops with five homers fifty one RBIs.

1020
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 4: I don't know why I thought he played center field.

1021
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 4: I guess he could fake it there. He did play.

1022
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 4: He's played seventy one career games there. He's a contact hitter,

1023
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,439
Speaker 4: ten percent walk rate, less than fifteen percent strikeout rate.

1024
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 4: Very tempting to bring him on there with especially with

1025
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 4: what Miami is looking for, and I'll keep reiterating it.

1026
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 4: They need, they want contact tittors. I guess you could

1027
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 4: even say that to balance the line upbout with the

1028
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 4: powerhitters and the contact titors. So I would like the

1029
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 4: fit of Andrew benn and Tendy, especially with and he's

1030
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 4: a free agent, so I don't really know how much

1031
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 4: you'd be commanding, but if they know, if the Yankees

1032
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 4: want to bring him back, you would have to compete

1033
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 4: with that. But I like Miami's an option. I really

1034
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 4: do to bring him in here. He would be towards

1035
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 4: the top of the order. I could say, I guess

1036
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 4: if you're not hitting Jazz first one day, you would

1037
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 4: put Benintendi there. He's a pretty quick guy as well,

1038
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 4: so he also has playoff experience. He was in the

1039
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 4: World Series in Boston, you won it. So I do

1040
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 4: like the fit of Andrew Benintendy with Miami, and especially

1041
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 4: the past experience, I guess or the past interest better.

1042
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 4: So that is what really peaked my interest for someone

1043
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 4: like Benintendi. So I want to get your thoughts on

1044
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 4: these guys, Lewis and Ela.

1045
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: Well, first I want to say, too bad for the Yankees.

1046
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: It was a big deal for them when they traded

1047
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: for him and he got hurt kind of bad. He well,

1048
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: he got hurt almost barely a month into it. He

1049
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: didn't play for them in the second half of September

1050
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: or in October at all. They could have really used

1051
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: him because their offense is terrible during the postseason and

1052
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: they thought he'd be a very big part of that

1053
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: near that near the top of their lineup. You did

1054
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: mention that he is a free agent. He's somebody that

1055
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: when't I heard he was in the the rumors that

1056
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: the Marlins were very close to acquiring him from the

1057
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: Red Sox a couple of years ago, when the Royals

1058
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: ultimately did that. I haven't been high on him. I

1059
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: just because he was extremely highly regarded as a prospect

1060
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: and during his first couple of years with the Red Sox,

1061
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: and it seemed that like his defense had slipped a

1062
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: little right before the trade and he won a Gold

1063
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: Glove with the Royals in twenty twenty one. There's some

1064
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: mixed things with him because as good as this past

1065
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: year was, it came with like zero power at all.

1066
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 1: The fact that yeah, he had he hit three or four,

1067
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: but he slugged three ninety nine. You just don't see

1068
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: that very often where somebody gets so many hiss but

1069
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: a lot of very few extra base hits with him.

1070
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: As you mentioned, with this Marlins team, they are kind

1071
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: of prioritizing contact hitters just because they're stuck with so

1072
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 1: Lair and they're stuck with Avi Garcia, and those players

1073
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: could have big bounce back years. Even if they do,

1074
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: they are prone to a lot of swing and miss

1075
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: and you want to have other options in your lineup

1076
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: to kind of compliment them in that way, and Benintendi

1077
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: would definitely do that. What's worth mentioning with him is

1078
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: that he's going to be one of the younger free

1079
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: agents out there. He turned twenty eight during this past season,

1080
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: and that makes him, you know, relatively rare out there

1081
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: to be still have a couple of years before thirty

1082
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: when you're in free agency. So because of that, I

1083
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: think his contract could be longer than people might originally expect.

1084
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: So what that comes with some risk with him as well,

1085
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: And I wonder if the Marlins Ard team that's willing

1086
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: to make that much of a commitment to him it

1087
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: could cost. I mean, we talked about Avi Garcia four

1088
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: years and fifty three million. I wouldn't be surprised if

1089
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: ben Aintendi gets very close to that in terms of

1090
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: the overall guaranteed money, just because of his age and

1091
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 1: because he when he was healthy this past year was

1092
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: pretty good despite his limitations, So He's not my favorite

1093
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: type of player, but the fit certainly does check a

1094
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: lot of boxes with this team. So ultimately, I think

1095
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: it's going to depend exactly what his market is, because

1096
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: I think there is a certain price where this can

1097
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: make sense.

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00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mentioned quickly. I'm sorry, Lewis you mentioned the

1099
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 4: value that he could get, you know, four for fifty three.

1100
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 4: Miami's willing to pay that. You know, we've seen that

1101
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 4: in the past with with Avy Garcia, and we kind

1102
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 4: of saw it with Joje Soil there which they paid

1103
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 4: a little bit a good amount. So they're willing to

1104
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 4: make a deal like that. I mean, this time it

1105
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 4: would be hopefully for I guess the right player, and

1106
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 4: this time with Andrew Benintendi, he puts up the stats

1107
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 4: that we expect, although I do expect that Garcia to

1108
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 4: have some type of a bounce back season. But yeah,

1109
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 4: if they're willing to make that type of a commitment

1110
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 4: once again, and you know, hopefully this time, as I mentioned,

1111
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 4: the right player, Benintendi could be that guy.

1112
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like him. I don't like him on a

1113
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: four year deal, especially right now, because I think it's

1114
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 2: the power I mean what you I mean, what you

1115
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 2: like kind of outlined what's a good thing about it,

1116
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 2: and you kind of note it on it. You alluded

1117
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: to it, Kevin when you noted his ability to you know,

1118
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: for the ball in play hit three or four. I

1119
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: think if you signed him to play left field, you're

1120
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 2: definitely saying to jorgees Solare, like, you're likely not going

1121
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: to play much in the outfield at all, because it's like,

1122
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 2: why would we make our defense worse when we can

1123
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: put you in the lineup every day as a DH

1124
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 2: and keep your bat in the lineup whilst not sacrificing

1125
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 2: anything on defense, and then we have a table center

1126
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 2: in Ben attendee who could base runner. He puts the

1127
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 2: ball in play, like you said, But the power has

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00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 2: just gradually evaporated over the last couple of years. I mean,

1129
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: Kansas City may do that too a little bit. It

1130
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 2: does tend to suppress a lot of home runs. That's

1131
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: why it was a bit of a shock when Solaire

1132
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: flirted with fifty there a couple of years ago. But yeah,

1133
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 2: I mean, like, the thing that would scare me is

1134
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 2: if you signed him to say a four year, sixty

1135
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: million dollars deal. Yeah, and then that first year goes

1136
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: horribly wrong and you don't include an opt outs, you're

1137
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 2: stuck with him for the next three years. Because deals

1138
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: like that, especially for an aav of about fifteen million,

1139
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: those likely don't come with opt outs. Depending on who

1140
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: you are as a player, it's yeah, you're you're kind

1141
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: of signing Ben intending to hit in the top of

1142
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 2: your order, which is nice. You'll definitely have a guy

1143
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: who gets on base consistently, but I like him more

1144
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: on maybe like a one year deal, and then if

1145
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 2: he's productive, then like you trade out that you're not

1146
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 2: competitive again. I don't even think he'll take that. I

1147
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 2: just think that's more where I would be comfortable and

1148
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: committing to him, because I just the power itself for

1149
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: a team that just struggled to hit for power. I

1150
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 2: believe the Marlins were fourteenth or fifteenth in the National

1151
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: League and home runs this season, So you're getting you

1152
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 2: may score a few more runs marginally, and again that

1153
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 2: may add a couple more wins. Benintendee's maybe like a

1154
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 2: consistent two and a half the three win player, but

1155
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: when you're talking about competing like in the National League East,

1156
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: he's not going to be the difference that the Mark

1157
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,959
Speaker 2: that helps the Marlins who surp the Mets or even

1158
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 2: the Braves. It's just like good player, but that's not enough.

1159
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 2: And a lot of the guys that we've talked about previously,

1160
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: you can maybe make that same case for Again, I

1161
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 2: don't know, because he does a lot well, but he

1162
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 2: doesn't do enough where I'm kind of just convinced that

1163
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 2: I want to commit long term to him.

1164
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: Yep.

1165
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 4: Do you have another name you want to mention? Do

1166
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 4: you just want to go with the big fish already? Lewis?

1167
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: It's the last guy I have, so I mean you

1168
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 2: may as well. Piece A bought him about two months ago.

1169
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: Three months ago for Fish Stripes. I talked about how

1170
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: if they wanted to make a splash this offseason, they

1171
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 2: needed to do it. So I'm just gonna come out

1172
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 2: and say, like, if you want to sign Trey Turner,

1173
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 2: bring him home. You're gonna have to, you know, back

1174
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 2: up the cash truck because he's gonna be expensive. Kevin,

1175
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 2: I gave you a note. I give Kevin a note

1176
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: before the podcast a couple hours ago about just how

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00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: unique Trey Turner is. Kevin, do you have that note

1178
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 2: for me? You want to give it?

1179
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 4: To me, any shortstop with over twenty home runs, two

1180
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty stole, over two hundred and twenty stolen bases,

1181
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 4: over one hundred twenty ops plus and their first eight seasons.

1182
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 4: So if I read that correctly, there's Handley Ramirez and

1183
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 4: then it's Trade Turner.

1184
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: So there's only two short steps in the history of

1185
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 2: baseball to hit at least one hundred and twenty homers,

1186
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 2: steel at least two hundred and twenty bases, and be

1187
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: twenty percent better than the league average. Also, they were

1188
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 2: both hitting to Handley two ninety eight respectively, Trey Turner

1189
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: three to Z two through the first eight seasons of

1190
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: his career as a primary short step. So yeah, like

1191
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 2: Kevin said, he is a unique brand, and he's just flashy.

1192
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: I mean, like, can you imagine like a middle and

1193
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: field of him in Jazz, Like that's maybe the smoothest

1194
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 2: in field of baseball. Maybe not defensively, I don't think

1195
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: Turner's the best defensive short stuff, but I think he's

1196
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 2: a guy that can maybe play short stuff into his thirties.

1197
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 2: And we've seen the ability to play the outfield he played.

1198
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: He even played some second base when he first came up.

1199
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 2: He played second base last year when he was initially

1200
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 2: traded to the Dodgers because they had Seeger. I have

1201
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 2: his free agency. Yeah, Turner can play the outfield. He

1202
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: is for a guy his size, he's got power. He

1203
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: was a five win player this past year. One thing

1204
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 2: I do have a concern with Trey Turner is the

1205
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 2: ability to draw walks. And I talked about this a lot.

1206
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: He was in like the fifteenth percentile. I believe in

1207
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 2: walk right. He is an aggressive hitter. He is prone

1208
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 2: to go into slumps. But the overall package of player

1209
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 2: I think is just so there's so much incentive there

1210
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: to bring a guy like that back. I mean, we

1211
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 2: talked about Anthony Razzak, like. The notion of flirting with

1212
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: bringing back a hometown guy is something the Mormins have done.

1213
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 2: They talked about Cassianos with they brought home Michael moorese

1214
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 2: at one point Matt Latos before the twenty fifteenth season

1215
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 2: as well. Those didn't go those didn't go. Well, that's

1216
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 2: not enough to maybe stray from the notion of bringing

1217
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 2: back a guy who grew up close to where the

1218
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 2: Mornins played and rooting for that respective team. I think

1219
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: Turner is just a legit. I mean, he's a star,

1220
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 2: Like there's no way around it. I mean, of all

1221
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 2: the names that we've mentioned here, maybe minus Jose Brayu

1222
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: that Eli mentioned, he is the best player here. He's

1223
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 2: the guy that going forward, you would feel the most

1224
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 2: comfortable committing to. And again, that's even with all of

1225
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 2: the concerns that exist, because he's already done so much

1226
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 2: and you can best believe that he likely will have

1227
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 2: at least another four or five years where he's just

1228
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: very good, and maybe say you give him a seven

1229
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 2: year deal and he's and again he'll likely like if

1230
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 2: the Marlin, if he's a name that the Marlin's even

1231
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 2: flirt with signing, you know that he'll be the most

1232
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 2: expensive player they've ever signed in free agency. I believe

1233
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 2: ELI put a note on the Fish Strikes Twitter page

1234
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 2: the other day. No player since Jose reyis Is six year,

1235
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 2: one hundred and six million dollar free agent deal has

1236
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: ever gotten that much outside of being under club control

1237
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,919
Speaker 2: with the team before coming over. So yeah, Turner would

1238
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 2: smash a bunch of records, but he would also give

1239
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 2: them another marquee name that they're sorely missing. Eli keV,

1240
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to leave the floor to you. Enlighten me

1241
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 2: further on things that I may be missing. Enlighten some

1242
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 2: of our listeners. How do you feel about Trade Turner?

1243
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 2: Would you want him in Miami? How do you profile

1244
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 2: him fitting in? Should he mysterious orculously make his way

1245
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 2: down to South Beach?

1246
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 4: What I want him in Miami? Yeah? Obviously, I mean

1247
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 4: this is the guy. There's one guy that I would

1248
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 4: like Miami to sign. It's Trey Turner. Over any of

1249
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 4: these guys would be Trade Turner the only negative. Once again,

1250
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 4: you mentioned the strikeouts one hundred and thirty one strikeouts

1251
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 4: this season, the second most in his career. I think

1252
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 4: he struck out one hundred and thirty two times another

1253
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 4: prior season. But yeah, Florida guy, this guy would be

1254
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 4: paired up with Josh Chisholms, so a lot of guests

1255
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 4: marketing you could say, the perfect balance of balance and

1256
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 4: power hitting. I mean you would think this guy pretty very,

1257
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 4: very small player, skinny twenty one homers, I mean it's

1258
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 4: pretty good. And then you mentioned the stat that I

1259
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 4: read off. I guess I didn't read that off too well,

1260
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 4: but one hundred RBIs twenty seven stolen bases. This is

1261
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 4: Doug the guy, and I'm gonna let Eli say, because

1262
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 4: you basically nailed every point about Trey Turner, this is

1263
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 4: the perfect fit for Miami.

1264
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: Here. It's hard to look past the projected price because

1265
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: not only would it be more than rays, you're probably

1266
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: talking about two and a half times more than they've

1267
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: ever given to a free agent before. He is because

1268
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: he's such a well rounded player who has almost an

1269
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: impeccable track record in the big leagues. Every single year

1270
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: he's good, as they look through his history. Every single year,

1271
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: he's an above average hitter. Every single year. He is

1272
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,919
Speaker 1: at the top of the scale of base running. Every

1273
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: single year, he's playing a premium defensive position, including this

1274
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: past year as an everyday shortstop, where and for most

1275
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: of his career to this point it's been shortstop, with

1276
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: those cameos in second base and in center fields. He's

1277
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: just is so exceptional that you expect there to be

1278
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: a whole lot of teams in the mix for him,

1279
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: and a lot of big market teams in the mix

1280
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: for him, including his former team, the Dodgers, who have

1281
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: plenty of other contracts coming off the books as well.

1282
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: You know they're gonna pay somebody to keep them around,

1283
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Speaker 1: and you wonder exactly where Trey is on their priorities list.

1284
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: Makes a ton of sense for this Marlins team if

1285
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: they had a willingness to spend, and I think it's

1286
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: I think it's okay to dream about eventually them making

1287
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: a long and hefty commitment to a player like Turner

1288
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: that has such a high floor and such a long

1289
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: track record that maybe there is that one guy that

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Speaker 1: they'd be willing to give. I guess you compare it

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01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: to a Stanton esque contract and that kind of commitment

1292
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: back in the day where it is physically possible to

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01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: give that kind of contract to a player all the Marlins.

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01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: We obviously just haven't seen Bruce Sherman kind of wade

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01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: into those waters yet. So it's a tantalizing idea. I

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01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: think ultimately the only path to this happening is if

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Speaker 1: it is a Carlos Korea situation where it gets super

1298
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: deep in the off season and he decides to willingly

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Speaker 1: take a short term deal. Because when Korea shocked everybody

1300
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: once to the Twins, it's because it was a three

1301
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: year deal with opt outs each year. It would have

1302
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: to be a deal like that, I imagine to come really

1303
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: late into the off season for the Marlins two pounce

1304
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: in kind of breakaway from their frugal tendencies. He'd be

1305
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: worth it. He'd be worth it. It's just that my

1306
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: hopes are pretty low for this one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 4: I think we all have to say that that our

1309
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 4: hopes are low here.

1310
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 2: But absolutely, yeah, yeah, so go ahead, Lewis. Almost is

1311
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 2: that it feels the need in a dream that's literally

1312
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 2: there ain't much ells that you can add to the

1313
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 2: prospect of acquiring somebody that, uh, that skill set.

1314
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 4: I think we would be shocked enough if we even

1315
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 4: hear a report that they met with Trey Turner. I

1316
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 4: think that's how shocked.

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01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you put it. Yeah, I couldn't

1318
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 2: better myself.

1319
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 4: Like it just you know, the Hayman report that they

1320
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 4: that they sat with Tree Turner and his agents and

1321
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 4: they met. I think that would be just surprising enough

1322
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 4: that Miami's willing to make an attempt to throw this

1323
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,439
Speaker 4: guy I deal. But before I mentioned my final name,

1324
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 4: this is the name you and I Lewis both had

1325
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,919
Speaker 4: on our list, which was Will Contraras we spoke about

1326
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 4: it off camera, a little bit. Yes, that would fill

1327
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 4: They need to catcher a guy who's pretty good defensively

1328
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 4: as well. You know, he provides the bat, but shedding around,

1329
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 4: you know, the money we were talking about seventy mil

1330
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 4: wouldn't be the right move for Gully, Wilson, Concerras. Just

1331
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,919
Speaker 4: seeing we have Stallings who have fort has and how

1332
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 4: good Sandy and Pablo have been with someone like Stallings

1333
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 4: forts as, how well he's been with those guys. I

1334
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 4: think that's a commitment you could even look for in

1335
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 4: a trade. Who's the catcher for athletics right now? That

1336
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 4: would be a pretty good Sean Murphy. Sean Murphy, that's

1337
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 4: the guy. I know. A lot of teams are interested

1338
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 4: in him. He'd be a pretty nice fit. We just

1339
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 4: saw the report that they get the Toronto Blue Jays

1340
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 4: are trying to trade one of their three catchers, So

1341
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 4: gabral Moreno, maybe that that's the dream scenario right there.

1342
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 4: But my final name is a trade target another pipe dream.

1343
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 4: But he is from the race. So we both have

1344
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 4: raised players on our Listen, that is Andy Diaz. What

1345
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 4: a season Andy di has had, man, I mean two

1346
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 4: ninety six four a one to OBP for twenty three

1347
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 4: slugging eight twenty four ops. The only downside were in

1348
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 4: his nine homers, But fifty seven RBIs fourteen percent walk

1349
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 4: rate and only ten percent strikeout. Right. If this guy

1350
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 4: would have hit a couple more home runs, he definitely

1351
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 4: would have been in the running friend VP. In my opinion,

1352
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 4: I think he'll finish top ten. But why Miami? I

1353
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 4: mean Miami likes to trade with Tampa. We have that

1354
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 4: history there. He fills the need at third base, so

1355
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 4: you would have your third basement for the long term run,

1356
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 4: You would get a Cuban player here in Miami. Once again,

1357
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 4: if you're looking that deep into it, contact hitting machine,

1358
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 4: and he does have the power when needed. He's had

1359
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 4: over ten home run seasons, and the price will be high.

1360
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 4: I think it will be forgotten with the caliber of

1361
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 4: him he had. Do believe saw us two arbitration year.

1362
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 4: Two arbitration years left until he is a free agent,

1363
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 4: so the price is gonna be high. Tampa's obviously gonna

1364
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 4: want pitching. They're gonna want a lot of prospects for

1365
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 4: a guy like and Andidias. And you know I was

1366
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 4: talking to this with Eli today off camera, But you

1367
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 4: never know who they're gonna trade. They traded Blake Snell

1368
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 4: couple of years back after a very nice season. I

1369
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 4: believe what's what's was he the sign one of that year?

1370
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 2: No, that was, but they traded twenty.

1371
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 4: Okay, there we go. So yeah, I mean you just

1372
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 4: look at it and you never know who they're going

1373
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 4: to trade. So I do like that Yandy Diaz option.

1374
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 4: I don't know. I want to get your thoughts on this.

1375
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 2: Lewis affectionately Yeah, he's affectionately called a ground beef to

1376
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 2: reference one of my favorite podcasts, Effectively Wild. They have,

1377
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 2: they've kind of anointed him that given his physical build

1378
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 2: and his uh well his ground ball rate, like he

1379
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 2: is one of the top is one of the top hitters.

1380
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that in the best of ways.

1381
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 2: He hits the ball on the ground just about as

1382
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 2: much as anybody. I believe he does it a little

1383
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 2: bit more than fifty five fifty six percent of the time.

1384
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 2: I mean, like ELI could if you can fact check

1385
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 2: me on that.

1386
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: What I want to say is that this past year

1387
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: he had the lowest and therefore the best ground ball

1388
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: rate of his career. He got it down to fifty percent.

1389
01:07:58,680 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 2: Well, there you go.

1390
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: I mean, where's where's league average is forty three, still

1391
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: significantly higher than league gaverage, but getting it in the

1392
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: air more. I mean what sticks out to me is

1393
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: that is the strikeout to walk ratio. Yeah, he is,

1394
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: I think right there with Juan Soto in terms of

1395
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: how much more often he walks than strikes outs. That's

1396
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: extremely common, uncommon in today's game, and his profile is

1397
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: just unlike any others for mostly good reasons. But for

1398
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: as lewis brought up for the ground ball right, for

1399
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: the fact that he is as jacked as anybody and

1400
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: yet doesn't hit the ball over the fence. Well, he's

1401
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: had one year his first year with the Rays in

1402
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, played like a half season and hit fourteen

1403
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: home runs in just a half season, so that was

1404
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: very exciting. And ever since then, you know, for the

1405
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: most part, he's gone back to the old tendencies where

1406
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: he's a below average power for a player that only

1407
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 1: gives you stuff at the corner infield spots. So from

1408
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: the Marlins perspective, both those corner infield spots are where's

1409
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: are places where they could certainly use an upgrade. It's

1410
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: just that Yandy is he's a limited player. He's very

1411
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 1: is great at what he does well, but he also

1412
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 1: has those deficiencies to his game with the lack of

1413
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: power and the fact that, yeah, I don't know if

1414
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: there's a better version of him until he gets the

1415
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: ball in the air. For a guy that is now

1416
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: thirty one years old, is he really going to make

1417
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 1: a significant adjustment to that part of his game. Just

1418
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: going back to what Kevin mentioned, the reason why we

1419
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: bring him up is because the Rays they can trade

1420
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: anybody at any time. They continue to surprise with the

1421
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 1: decisions that they make in terms of who's available and

1422
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 1: who's not. I don't think a lot of people, top

1423
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: of mind thought Joey Wendel would be available last year

1424
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: coming off an All Star season, and the Marlins jumped

1425
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: in on him. In that standpoint, I will just say

1426
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: that in his particular case, I think it's unlikely that

1427
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: Yandy Diaz would be on the market because the Rays

1428
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: are coming off the season where they really struggle to

1429
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: score runs laden the year, and to have somebody like

1430
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: him that is so reliable in terms of getting a base, uh,

1431
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: he's going to be difficult for them to replace internally,

1432
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: So I feel like in his case, the timing would

1433
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: be a little bit off, and that's something that it

1434
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: has to revisit further down the line. I'm still happy

1435
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: that you brought him up.

1436
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, he's a very he does what he does well,

1437
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 2: he does well. But the powered deficiencies, yeah, I mean

1438
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 2: so like put it this way, like last year, I

1439
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 2: believe we references previously. We talked about the potential Lewin

1440
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 2: Diaz to hit for power, play good defense with him.

1441
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 2: Maybe I was saying his ceiling at way way best

1442
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 2: was like Matt Olson, and we talked about the idea

1443
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 2: Meani I discussed the idea of possibly trading for Matt Olson,

1444
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 2: and I think I believe I said, is still radiating

1445
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 2: with me. He said, if you're waiting for a guy

1446
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 2: to become Maddilson, why don't you just go out and

1447
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 2: get Mattilson. And a couple of weeks later, I believe

1448
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 2: he went to Atlanta and that happened. That's kind of

1449
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 2: how I feel about with Yandy Diaz and Grossians. I

1450
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 2: don't think Grossians will ever hit for the power that

1451
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 2: Diaz does, but the tools that he represents, the ability

1452
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 2: to put the ball in play and the ability to

1453
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 2: draw bots are things that you're waiting for him to

1454
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 2: further manifest at the big leagues. But if you want

1455
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: to go conservative and get a guy who already does that,

1456
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 2: then maybe that's where you explore that trade. But yet,

1457
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 2: given the age, I don't know. I mean, the metrics

1458
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 2: don't like him at third base a lot either. I

1459
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 2: think they say he's a pretty below average defender at

1460
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:35,680
Speaker 2: third base. But yeah, like, I'm just a sucker for

1461
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 2: on base percentage because I know, obviously, you know, you

1462
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 2: score more runs, you're gonna win more games. And having

1463
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 2: guys like that in your lineup who consistently get on

1464
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 2: base a three to fifty plus clip that is very attractive.

1465
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it's not the worst. Definitely not

1466
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 2: a bad option. I wouldn't be too upset that the

1467
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 2: Marlins went out and did that. It may be a

1468
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 2: cost effective thing, but like Eli said, the race struggled

1469
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 2: score runs last year, which they did because their offensive

1470
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 2: model is pretty inconsistent across the board, though they do

1471
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 2: have success with position players for the most part. Then yeah,

1472
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 2: that's the guy you want to keep. But again, you know,

1473
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 2: player of that skill set would still fit nicely is

1474
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 2: a nice complimentary piece in any lineup for that matter.

1475
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 1: Anybody else that we wanted to give a shout out

1476
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: to in this aisle or we go.

1477
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 2: We briefly discussed Wilson Contrare's but again, you know, Kevin

1478
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 2: noted him. Not much else to really say about him.

1479
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 2: I talked about his flirtations with positional versatility, and then

1480
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 2: he was an infielder initially in the minors before becoming

1481
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:42,799
Speaker 2: a full time catcher. Said it was like a reverse

1482
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 2: forber where when he came up, he was moving all around,

1483
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 2: and the Cubs kind of just said, like, hey, I

1484
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:49,560
Speaker 2: think we like your bat, but we want you to

1485
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 2: also be a primary catcher for overplays left field. So

1486
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 2: they kind of just settled into their respective spots. Contreras,

1487
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 2: Kevin noted his defense, he doesn't have the best reputation

1488
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 2: as a defender. He's not bad, but uh yeah, I

1489
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 2: think you're definitely that's a catcher that you acquire for

1490
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 2: the bat, and I know nowadays teams tend to shy away.

1491
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 2: I mean, it's one thing to get premium offensive production

1492
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,599
Speaker 2: out of the catcher. That's why I got like, Ally

1493
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Speaker 2: Rushman is so rare it's because he has the ability

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Speaker 2: to do both Allah Butsrposi contraras is deficient I think defensively,

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Speaker 2: but his bat is such. You know, Crew eight fifteen

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01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,839
Speaker 2: ops that he is an attractive name to many teams.

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01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 2: I've heard Rose though, going around about his market, that

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01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 2: he's gonna maybe like settle for a one year deal

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01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,640
Speaker 2: to further prove value, then go out again and re

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Speaker 2: establish his market. The only thing is he's a catcher

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01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 2: who will be thirty one next year, I believe. So

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01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 2: that's the thing I forecasted like he has money Grendel Eskpeel,

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01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 2: because I think the value accrued is relatively similar, though

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Speaker 2: he does it a little bit differently than Grendall. I

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01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 2: just again, I don't think the Marlins are going to

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01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 2: give seventy million to a catcher who is deficient in

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01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 2: certain areas defensively. But you know, he's attractive as a

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01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 2: lot of the guys that we mentioned here are, And

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Speaker 2: I mean that's why we mentioned them in the first place,

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01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 2: because they put up value and they would theoretically fit

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01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 2: needs that this team has, and we are hoping that

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Speaker 2: they will address this offseason. As free agency commences on Thursday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, My only shout out which was no longer valid,

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01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 4: was Colton Wong. This would have been the case that

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01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 4: Jazz moves to short after the World Baseball Classic if

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01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 4: he impressed enough. But you know, his his option was exercise,

1517
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 4: So Colton M. Wong will not be a part of

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01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 4: this list. But it was fair to mention he was

1519
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 4: a Gold Glove winner. He had a very good end

1520
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 4: of the year. I remember he was one of the

1521
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,839
Speaker 4: hottest hitters in baseball towards the end of the seasons.

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Speaker 4: But besides that, no, no real mention of him. Just

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01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 4: wanted to shout him out. Yeah, he was on my

1524
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 4: list until I found out midway through this podcast that

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01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 4: he was taken back to what he was his option

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01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 4: was picked up, so the only other mentioned there.

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Speaker 1: Right by the time people listen this, all the option

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01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 1: chaos will be totally settled and we'll have a pretty

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01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 1: clear picture of exactly what the free agent class is

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01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 1: going to look like. Well, one more episode will probably

1531
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 1: squeeze in about off season shopping. As you heard at

1532
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 1: the end of this episode, it's al really getting hard

1533
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: to like thread that needle between awesome players who are

1534
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 1: also realistically available to the Marlins.

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01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 4: It's like play.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, at least one that we'll be able to

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Speaker 1: squeeze into this one. But we appreciate everybody that is

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01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 1: listened to this so far. Again, one more plug that

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01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: on our side, I'm going to have a successful Marlins

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01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: off season example, and I'll probably do the same for

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01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 1: a disappointing off season to take you through some specific

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01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 1: moves and prices of the Marlins may go after to

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01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 1: like put this puzzle together. What makes it fun is

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01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 1: that there are so many different combinations that this could

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01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 1: go that could work out for this seam, and we are, yeah,

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01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:57,839
Speaker 1: we are really right on the cusp of them actually

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01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 1: doing stuff. This first day is a fine subtracting the

1548
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: excess guys on the roster right now. The fun part

1549
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,759
Speaker 1: is going to be trying to squeeze in new pieces

1550
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 1: and making all those calculated decisions about who to squeezes

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Speaker 1: off your own roster in the first place. I'm Eli

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Speaker 1: Susman with Kevin Barrall and Lewis Addie Weiss here on

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01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 1: the official show on the Fish Strips podcast. Thank you

1554
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: for listening. If you are listening, thank you for watching.

1555
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 1: If you are watching, we appreciate all the support that yeah,

1556
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: you give too, Fish strives. So that's gonna wrap it

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Speaker 1: up here for ASLE three, Thanks for listening, and go

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Speaker 1: fish