Speaker 1: I have to tell you like I mean I, I
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved I lost train of thought. What
Speaker 1: were we talking? We were talking about stranger things. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, take that out. You know what, Rose, You
Speaker 1: don't own me. I have never claimed to own you.
Speaker 1: If there's one thing that the film First Wives Club
Speaker 1: has taught me, it's that I am not owned by anyone.
Speaker 1: In fact, I spend my days wearing white skirt suits
Speaker 1: and um dancing with my girlfriends while getting revenge on
Speaker 1: my ex husband. If there's one thing the film The
Speaker 1: First Wives Club taught me, it's like you could never
Speaker 1: have enough Jupiterman your lips. Absolutely, there is no maximum.
Speaker 1: The limit does not exist. And today on the pod
Speaker 1: we have Jack Francis, the artists formerly known as Jack
Speaker 1: This Tripper. If you've ever followed her on Instagram, We're
Speaker 1: so excited to talk to her about all things First
Speaker 1: Wives Club, plus some tan in Son, Coyote, Ugly, and
Speaker 1: other other faves of ours. Jack is an amazing artist
Speaker 1: who is going on tour by the way, check out
Speaker 1: her tour Divorced in Paradise on her website. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if there's a better person to discuss a
Speaker 1: truly queer cannon film. I mean not even queer canon.
Speaker 1: It's like kind of bag cannon. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that if that or maybe divorcee canon is what it
Speaker 1: actually is. Um. I also think this film is lesbian
Speaker 1: cannon because of its like iconic bar scene, and today
Speaker 1: we're going to reclaim it for more than just sis gays,
Speaker 1: because this is like a virgin the show where we
Speaker 1: give yesterday's pop culture today's tapes. I'm Rose, damn you
Speaker 1: and I'm Fran Toronto. Hi listen. We had a bit
Speaker 1: of an ordeal setting up our microphone guard. I thought
Speaker 1: that would never happen. Oh my god, Fire Island. You know,
Speaker 1: we're on island time. We are on island time. That's
Speaker 1: excuse everything that happens. No, but like what just happened.
Speaker 1: I could do alone in my apartment extremely easily. But here,
Speaker 1: it's just I was possible issue. It was a ten
Speaker 1: minute or deal. Well, okay, so I we need to
Speaker 1: set the scene for the Virgins in a couple of
Speaker 1: different ways. So we are currently on vacation. Yes, we're
Speaker 1: on Fire Island. And if you've heard of it, a
Speaker 1: gorgeous transgender home yes, truly perfect. We're in a beautiful
Speaker 1: vacation rental and we are recording, are you know the
Speaker 1: opening of this week's podcast episode from Gay Paradise Gay Paradise,
Speaker 1: We also do both happen to be very stone, which
Speaker 1: was we decided that this is what we were Yes, well,
Speaker 1: I had therapy right before this, and we decided to
Speaker 1: use the fifteen minutes between ending therapy and starting this
Speaker 1: podcast recording to get really really hot. Maybe a little
Speaker 1: more than I anticipated, but I was not expecting this.
Speaker 1: I only had like like three puffs three max. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I I don't know, I feel like but we're
Speaker 1: in a good stay right now, and this has been
Speaker 1: a wonderful vacation right yes, um we have listen, We've
Speaker 1: been having so much fun. Um. The past week has
Speaker 1: been amazing, not just because we've been on vacation, but
Speaker 1: because we did our first ever live show. It was incredible.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, the night was beyond the drag. Performers
Speaker 1: and Honey were so good. They were amazing, but also
Speaker 1: we were the stars of the show. Yeah, well know,
Speaker 1: the real stars of the show were the virgins who
Speaker 1: came out. It was that, I know, I know, it's corny,
Speaker 1: but we know on this podcast that I do get
Speaker 1: a little corny sometimes, and you know, listen, we record
Speaker 1: this podcast, like obviously we're recording together each us on
Speaker 1: Fire Island right now, but we mostly record this audience,
Speaker 1: like the three of us either in a studio on
Speaker 1: zoom and we have so much fun doing it. But
Speaker 1: getting to do it in a room full of people,
Speaker 1: with all those performers who were with us, like with
Speaker 1: everyone who works on this podcast involved was so cool
Speaker 1: and like it came to life in a way that
Speaker 1: I was not prepared for but was really really excited
Speaker 1: and moved by. Yeah, and it was also really nice
Speaker 1: to like decompress with everyone after and to just like
Speaker 1: meet all of you and yeah, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: want to do more. Yes, I love the Virgins. The
Speaker 1: Virgins are so cool. Everyone was really well dressed at
Speaker 1: our show. The vibes were immaculated, were immaculate. So tell
Speaker 1: us where you want us to come or bring you
Speaker 1: want to go on tour, So like get your college
Speaker 1: to bring up money. Um, we're downt We're available. Anyways,
Speaker 1: we do have at least a little culture to catch
Speaker 1: up on, because I mean, excuse me, I must coming
Speaker 1: down with something. I think we have Minions fever rows.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, someone got the doctor. We have Neither
Speaker 1: Frand nor myself have ever seen a Minions movie, not
Speaker 1: a single one. I don't I've never seen anything in
Speaker 1: that even cinematic universe. I guess that they originate from
Speaker 1: just Despicable Me. Okay, um, same, But it feels like
Speaker 1: the name on everybody's lips is going to be Minions.
Speaker 1: Minions for sure, And let me tell you, we need
Speaker 1: to be sent more memes. We've been getting some memes
Speaker 1: from y'all about Minions, but like, I feel like we
Speaker 1: could be you know, I need so many more. And
Speaker 1: I really appreciate everyone who's been tagging us in Minions memes.
Speaker 1: Really appreciate the support. We love Minions memes, but there
Speaker 1: needs to be more. I don't ever want to know
Speaker 1: who the Minions are, what they do, what the context is. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm going to see the movie. I
Speaker 1: don't think I'm ever going to see any Minions content.
Speaker 1: But it's that's not what it's about. It's about vibes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really is, and it's about you know, let me
Speaker 1: tell you this soundtrack was impeccable produced by Our King
Speaker 1: and Jack Antonov, which like, I'm so glad he did it,
Speaker 1: but he really needs a break. He should be in
Speaker 1: Fire Island with us right now because the girls have
Speaker 1: been running him ragged. But listen, girl, like this soundtrack
Speaker 1: is Jack Antonov's best work since what his last Taylor
Speaker 1: album Black, I don't even I feel like he really
Speaker 1: popped off with this. Very well curated and produced. If
Speaker 1: you haven't listened to it, It's lots of covers of
Speaker 1: seventies songs like Carolaid, Polycheck does Bang Bang My Baby, Caliucus,
Speaker 1: Diana Ross does a song with tam Impala which is insane.
Speaker 1: St Vincent covering Funky Town that one, Oh, and um
Speaker 1: Tierra Wag Tierra Whack is actually one of my favorite covers.
Speaker 1: It really is a culture. We've been playing it on blasts.
Speaker 1: We have been bumping the Minion soundtrack by the pool
Speaker 1: at least once a day. I actually don't think we
Speaker 1: listened to it yesterday, which does hurt my heart a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah yeah, but we'll listen today. We'll listen today.
Speaker 1: I have seen more Minion pussies this week then I
Speaker 1: ever expected to in my life and I'm embracing that. Yeah. Yeah, look,
Speaker 1: this is this is our culture. Now, this is this
Speaker 1: is what we come to talk about. This is a
Speaker 1: minion We are minions advocates. Yes, we are allies to
Speaker 1: the minion community. It's l g B t q M
Speaker 1: now truly. On this vacation, I have had taken I
Speaker 1: have I've scooped my brain fully out of my skull
Speaker 1: to just be no thoughts, had empty girl there and
Speaker 1: that's been working really well. Oh yeah, oh yeah. We're
Speaker 1: now on day fine of of a weeklong vacation and
Speaker 1: you know it's out. Yes, very much. So different people
Speaker 1: here today. Okay, there was something else you wanted to do.
Speaker 1: We want to talk about Stranger Things a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean we've only watched the first episode. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: watched episode eight. We still haven't watched episode nine because
Speaker 1: it is the length of the movie Avatar. So long.
Speaker 1: We'll get around to it, but so far, I really
Speaker 1: liked the first part. Spoiler spoilers if you watch Stranger Things.
Speaker 1: Spoiler I'm glad that Papa is dead. I also wish
Speaker 1: we didn't have to call him Papa. It's really awkward.
Speaker 1: It's really not right, but like the drama was kick
Speaker 1: it like it was really like I loved every minute
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah. I also loved when they were at
Speaker 1: the guns store and everyone in town was just they're
Speaker 1: buying the guns. You're like, there was the lesbian moment.
Speaker 1: I hope that gets resolved to have a feeling that
Speaker 1: and with an em is going to come back and
Speaker 1: she does actually want to be with Robin. Also renew
Speaker 1: and with an ease show my God on the records
Speaker 1: saying and with an evening, I could say it now
Speaker 1: on convergive. I really liked it. I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: watch more. Um, I find the Russia plot very boring,
Speaker 1: and every time we're there, I disagree. Let's say, back
Speaker 1: to Hawkins, I don't know, you look great, but I'm
Speaker 1: just not you know the I love Hopper, I love
Speaker 1: his potline. I think the Russia thing is so off
Speaker 1: the rails, and I think that's all. I think it's
Speaker 1: amazing because I think it embraces how crazy it is.
Speaker 1: But I was also going to say I prefer those
Speaker 1: scenes over the gay scene that we got, Like what
Speaker 1: did you think? My god? Okay, so it took like
Speaker 1: I don't think everyone who were watching it with realize
Speaker 1: that that was Will like confessing his feelings about Mike,
Speaker 1: but using the language of talking about how Levin feels
Speaker 1: about him, Like that's oh gay to be talking about
Speaker 1: your feelings, but in a pretend way. Um, I don't
Speaker 1: know if we're going to get more than that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really, because where would it lead? You know, I
Speaker 1: think he's going to die. No, who do you think
Speaker 1: is going to die? Because obviously some people are gonna die.
Speaker 1: I think, Okay, I don't think it's going to die,
Speaker 1: but I think something about him being in the upside
Speaker 1: down and like his connection the monster they was gonna
Speaker 1: come back. They would kill the gay one. He's going
Speaker 1: to turn because look, we already have one evil twin Vecna,
Speaker 1: and now we need another. When we need there always
Speaker 1: has to be too. It's like six in Star Wars.
Speaker 1: There are always to master and apprentice, and one will
Speaker 1: kill the other the rule of the two or hem rhins,
Speaker 1: there's always too. Who else do you think is going
Speaker 1: to die? I mean I don't. I didn't really predict,
Speaker 1: to be honest, I think your prediction of Max I
Speaker 1: think is also. Yeah, I think Max is she's going
Speaker 1: to be running up that hill to make a deal
Speaker 1: with God sooner rather than later. Yeah, or at least.
Speaker 1: But the only thing is they're kind of setting it
Speaker 1: up that way, so it might be too obvious. Well
Speaker 1: that's how I feel about Steve dying, because everyone is
Speaker 1: theorizing that Steve is going to die. But like the
Speaker 1: Netflix literally put it on their billboard like Pratty for
Speaker 1: Steve or something, so to me, that means he's not
Speaker 1: gonna die, because they would not, like, I just don't
Speaker 1: think it would be it's too obvious. But you know,
Speaker 1: like the Duffer Brothers really like to play into tropes,
Speaker 1: which which one Steve the main character. Steve's the with
Speaker 1: the hair, the one who we saw at um at
Speaker 1: Um fig Oh my god. One time we were having
Speaker 1: dinner at Figro Bistro, which is where celebrities. It's a
Speaker 1: restaurant you should go to if you either want to
Speaker 1: like sit and people watch, or if you want to
Speaker 1: if you need some like affirmation that you're wearing a
Speaker 1: cute look you want to walk through everyone dyning, that's
Speaker 1: a good place to go. Also, they have incredible steak tartar.
Speaker 1: But we were having dinner there at one time, and um,
Speaker 1: the guy who plays Steve was inside, um with some
Speaker 1: hot girl. I honestly can never remember any of their names.
Speaker 1: For me, it's always like will like Will to Billy, Billy,
Speaker 1: Billy too, Yeah, this is the one with the one
Speaker 1: with the long billy too, and then and then you
Speaker 1: know that but he's not as hot as Billy Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then there's Hopper guy, and then there's one writer
Speaker 1: w is her character name. It should all just be
Speaker 1: every Stranger Things character should be, not oneonah one, not
Speaker 1: when I she's so good every time, I want her
Speaker 1: to be in more things. Though. She made that m
Speaker 1: rom com with Keanu Reeves a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: that was like it was such because it was like
Speaker 1: their back baby, and then literally no one including me
Speaker 1: saw it. Oh that's so sad. Well, I mean I
Speaker 1: would watch more Things if she would be more Things,
Speaker 1: because I think she Stranger Things is amazing for her,
Speaker 1: and I think Stranger Things is amazing because of her. Well,
Speaker 1: that's definitely the reason it was put on everyone's radars. Yes,
Speaker 1: because she lent her name to it and that, But
Speaker 1: but I also feel like she doesn't need to be
Speaker 1: entrapped to the stranger, Like I just need her in
Speaker 1: more movies and and Prestige TV. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope she's making a lot of money.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure she is. I'm
Speaker 1: sure she is there anything else? What has been your
Speaker 1: favorite part of the trip so far? Rose? Hanging out
Speaker 1: with everyone at the house, Like dinners together have been
Speaker 1: really lovely. I think people when they think of Fire
Speaker 1: Island and immediately obviously you think like parties, vodka, SODA's,
Speaker 1: you know, going to tee, like a lot of sex
Speaker 1: or like whatever. And like this trip has been I mean,
Speaker 1: sorry to say, like so wholesome, Like it's been so
Speaker 1: beautiful and so community driven, and it's been incredible in
Speaker 1: a way that I have never experienced on this island
Speaker 1: because you know, like this island is like really made
Speaker 1: for very specific kind of queer people that don't include us,
Speaker 1: that don't include us. And you know, I've always come
Speaker 1: to this island like as a guest of other people
Speaker 1: or like someone just like figuring it out, and that's
Speaker 1: been amazing. But to come here and have a house
Speaker 1: and like like Fran who really like put all this
Speaker 1: together to have really curated it in such a way that,
Speaker 1: you know, like making space for people who would not
Speaker 1: usually have a space like this out here. All of
Speaker 1: us doing it together has been so fun, Like I
Speaker 1: love being the freak cows. Yeah, we are the freak
Speaker 1: cows and the poppy juice houses out here too. They
Speaker 1: always like cycle fun people through and we've been like
Speaker 1: partying together and having late nights and cooking gorgeous dinners ribs.
Speaker 1: Laurel is making lobster tonight. What yes fuck I got?
Speaker 1: She brought lobster tail. Babe, It's gonna be well. I
Speaker 1: made the eggs this morning. Um. France, okay, wait Rose
Speaker 1: made a gorgeous pie yesterday. Um that you should maybe
Speaker 1: we should start doing recipes. I won't, I won't. But
Speaker 1: Fran made a peach basil and something blueberry pie yesterday.
Speaker 1: It was chef's kiss and I stuck a bunch of
Speaker 1: candles into it and surprised Rose with her on birthday
Speaker 1: was my birthday pie A week early, A week early? Um?
Speaker 1: What else has been nice? Um? You know yesterday we
Speaker 1: were on the beach and I was sitting with two
Speaker 1: other trans people have like very quickly we started talking
Speaker 1: about trauma and you know, to be doing that next
Speaker 1: to a body of water is I love it surrounded
Speaker 1: by a bunch of a bunch of faggots, but like
Speaker 1: a safe distance away. Yeah, it's been great. I love
Speaker 1: Fire Island. I want to come back every summer forever.
Speaker 1: It's just like the movie. And this house is like
Speaker 1: Nancy Meyer's level. Caucasian is like so gorgeous. I I
Speaker 1: put on matching linen set the other day and walked
Speaker 1: around here while everyone was up the beach and definitely
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, the protagonist and something's got to give,
Speaker 1: and something's got to be giving. One of my favorite
Speaker 1: part about the trip, honestly, Rose has been like putting
Speaker 1: on cute little fits and walking to the pantry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you do it. You like always look adorable, so you
Speaker 1: all you always come to start. Okay, you've start, You've
Speaker 1: been serving, We have been, we have been. You're the
Speaker 1: most popular girl, Well I'm I'm the most popular doll.
Speaker 1: We're the most popular dolls in the pantry. I love
Speaker 1: changing like five times a day. Yeah, it's been incredible,
Speaker 1: just doing little variations on the same outfit to swim
Speaker 1: suits today. Fran has been doing a lot of whale tales.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a lot of a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: thong in the afternoon and as you know, a more
Speaker 1: modest speedo in the evening. I wonder if anyone is
Speaker 1: currently like listening to our podcast somewhere on this island.
Speaker 1: Probably not Alo on this island, you say, we've also
Speaker 1: been Also, we've also discovered our mutual affection for the
Speaker 1: Broadway musical Once on This Island done a particular line
Speaker 1: from it, which like this, Oh find the tree, I'll
Speaker 1: come back with an goes juicy fat and well bed
Speaker 1: she's cutting us off. I hope you include this, TB.
Speaker 1: I hope you include the way that you silenced again silent.
Speaker 1: We will not be silent. Were you silent or were
Speaker 1: you silent when it comes to Phoebe being our producer?
Speaker 1: We were silent, and I swear to God you better
Speaker 1: include all of this. CB. I want everyone to know.
Speaker 1: For the audience you can't see me right now, I'm
Speaker 1: wearing a Versaci inspired tennis skirt, forty four spray time
Speaker 1: um yellow, a F one's a future for Sacchi coat
Speaker 1: and diamond tennis bracelet. Yes, the diamond tennis aunt Janet,
Speaker 1: Can I tell you the story about so my aunt?
Speaker 1: Um she is. I'm inspired by her a lot. She's
Speaker 1: really free spirited, super athletic, really artistic. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to travel and see the world. She was in the
Speaker 1: Las Vegas airport and she was running to catch her
Speaker 1: flight and she was dragging her roly suitcase. But something
Speaker 1: was stuck in her suitcase, and she was like, what
Speaker 1: the funk is this? And she looks down and there's
Speaker 1: a diamond tennis bracelet stuck in the wheel of her suitcase.
Speaker 1: And she picks it up and she takes it to
Speaker 1: airport security and she's like, hey, I found this, UM,
Speaker 1: here's my phone number. If anybody calls looking for it,
Speaker 1: I would like them to have it. And no one
Speaker 1: ever called a family And she went skiing in the
Speaker 1: sky seven years ago last week and uh I and
Speaker 1: I got and I took this with me. So and
Speaker 1: you know, it's crazy. I never started wearing it until
Speaker 1: I moved to l A because I wasn't worth I was.
Speaker 1: I struggle with worthiness a lot, and I was always
Speaker 1: like saving the tennis bracelet for a special occasion or something,
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, every day is a special
Speaker 1: occasion put on that bracelet. That is the power of jewelry.
Speaker 1: I do think very nicely leads us into what we're
Speaker 1: talking about today, because this kind of bracelet, to you
Speaker 1: is what the pearls are to the women of the
Speaker 1: First wi The pearls which are kind, which are really
Speaker 1: the inciting It's well, the inciting incident of the film
Speaker 1: is soccer Channing committing suicide. But the pearls with with
Speaker 1: the fantastic voice over acting. It was such an interesting
Speaker 1: choice to read. But they used all of their voices
Speaker 1: in the in the flashback. Yeah it is. It is
Speaker 1: so for anyone who doesn't know. The First Wives Club
Speaker 1: is a film about a bunch of women who have
Speaker 1: been left by their husbands and decided to get revenge.
Speaker 1: That is the basic cremise as played by Goldie Hawn,
Speaker 1: Bette Midler, Diane Keaton and then the soccer channing soccer
Speaker 1: the scene. But yeah, you're right, and that the prologue
Speaker 1: of the movie where they're all you know, young when
Speaker 1: they meet at college and form their lifelong friendships. Um,
Speaker 1: the actresses do dub all the younger actors and it
Speaker 1: is extremely uncanny. Yeah, it's it's it's an interesting choice.
Speaker 1: Was this movie like important to your childhood? Um, like
Speaker 1: when did it come into your life? Or like what
Speaker 1: were the what are the formative elements of it? Honestly,
Speaker 1: I love I've never really connected with romantic partnerships as
Speaker 1: a plot line that I really was drawn to in
Speaker 1: film and narrative. Like I I'm much more interested in
Speaker 1: ambition and friendship as like things that drive a plot.
Speaker 1: And this movie was all about like girlfriends coming together
Speaker 1: to support each other, sisters are doing it for themselves. Yes,
Speaker 1: and the wardrobes were great, and that they all went
Speaker 1: off to do different things and then came back together.
Speaker 1: That just seemed like a real fantasy to me. And um,
Speaker 1: you know Eliza with Berkeley, isn't it as as a
Speaker 1: new wife? I just I just I think just the
Speaker 1: story of them all coming together and at the end
Speaker 1: having their community center and then wearing power suits and
Speaker 1: singing at the end, I was like, that's the happy
Speaker 1: ending I wanted my life. My happy ending is friendship.
Speaker 1: My happy ending is community and connecting with my girlfriends
Speaker 1: and supporting each other. And that was honestly one of
Speaker 1: the first movies where I saw that as an opportunity
Speaker 1: as something that was possible as a happy ending where
Speaker 1: they didn't drive off the cliff at the end. Yes,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies. It's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: movies as well. And I love the ending because I
Speaker 1: think the ending was a really bold choice. But like
Speaker 1: I like happy endings, yeah, me too. I also like similarly,
Speaker 1: like I have a hard time latching onto like you know,
Speaker 1: romance plot lines, and like for the engine of this
Speaker 1: movie to be revenge is very like that is my tea. Honestly.
Speaker 1: We were just talking about The Northman, that Nicole Kinman
Speaker 1: movie that came out, and the whole the engine of
Speaker 1: that entire movie is revenge, like Crystal Clear, and I
Speaker 1: was just locked into a movie that I normally would
Speaker 1: not be, you know, concerned with, because as revenge as
Speaker 1: a concept I think is very amazing. But also in
Speaker 1: revenge movies, like I think you eventually have to reckon
Speaker 1: with what comes after revenge, which I think is very
Speaker 1: much the end of this movie, because they realize, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of at the last minute, that just getting revenge
Speaker 1: on their husbands is not enough. They actually want to
Speaker 1: do something that helps the world. They're paying it forward
Speaker 1: and how it brought them together. You know, this challenge
Speaker 1: that they were all facing, and they also they were
Speaker 1: all suffering in silence, right, they were all getting together.
Speaker 1: I mean like I'm fine, I'm fine. In reality, everybody
Speaker 1: was really struggling and needed support and getting together with
Speaker 1: your girlfriends and having a moment, a really staggering moment
Speaker 1: two realize that, like, hey, I'm going to be vulnerable
Speaker 1: and share something that I am not proud of or
Speaker 1: that makes me uncomfortable or that I'm ashamed of. And
Speaker 1: and then everybody share something similar. Well, that's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite parts of the movie is you know, so
Speaker 1: they go to the funual, they go to stoccer Chan
Speaker 1: funeral and have brunch afterwards, and they're all kind of
Speaker 1: telling these like spinning these bullshit you know, stories about
Speaker 1: their lives, and you know, after a couple of Bloody Mary's,
Speaker 1: the truth comes out and they realize they're all fucking
Speaker 1: miserable and decide to team up and do something about it.
Speaker 1: And who hasn't had that experience of like, you, even
Speaker 1: even with the people you're closest to, you want to spin,
Speaker 1: You want to present the best version of yourself. Um,
Speaker 1: but usually when you finally let that guard down and
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, actually, everything fucking sucks right now. That
Speaker 1: other person, if they're really a good judy, they usually
Speaker 1: are going to meet you halfway and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: my life fucking sucks right now too. Yeah. And I
Speaker 1: had a moment exactly like that that strengthened me to
Speaker 1: make some really significant changes in my life. What was it?
Speaker 1: I was um at dinner. It was like a COVID
Speaker 1: dinner in New York outside coldest ship. We're all wearing
Speaker 1: right and UM, a couple of and you know my
Speaker 1: art camp collective. It was a couple of us and
Speaker 1: we were getting ready to go wheat pasting. We like
Speaker 1: go and put up art at night, like park. It's
Speaker 1: fun do art, make crimes make Yeah, and U and
Speaker 1: one of the girls was talking about UM, a challenge
Speaker 1: she was having with this chick she was seeing, And
Speaker 1: it turned out it was the same problem we were
Speaker 1: all having, and we had never We've been friends for
Speaker 1: two years and none of us knew that we all
Speaker 1: had the same challenge with our partners. And now I'm
Speaker 1: divorced and I hadn't I hadn't left my marriage yet.
Speaker 1: So and like everybody has challenges, right, it doesn't really matter,
Speaker 1: Like everybody has challenges, they're they're pretty normal. I think
Speaker 1: normalizing our problems is really important and not stigmatizing them
Speaker 1: and not blaming, just being like, yeah, this is a
Speaker 1: challenge and like you can fight through it, or you
Speaker 1: can you can remove yourself from the situation. You have options.
Speaker 1: But it's it's nice to talk about the options with
Speaker 1: your girls. I mean I exclusively have to workshop things
Speaker 1: with my girls. There are things that like obviously my
Speaker 1: therapists can help me with, but like it's like, no,
Speaker 1: my girls are going to give me the real, real
Speaker 1: because therapists, I mean I know that there are like
Speaker 1: you know that that's actual professional reasons why you can't
Speaker 1: just tell me what to do because but like therapists
Speaker 1: just don't tell you what to do sometimes sometimes you
Speaker 1: I need a therapist to be a little prescriptive. I
Speaker 1: have a similar problem with mine and that she is
Speaker 1: more of a sounding board. And like my therapist, my
Speaker 1: therapist is really good at being that person who is saying,
Speaker 1: I'm an objective voice telling you that the thing that
Speaker 1: you're thinking about your life is not crazy, You're not
Speaker 1: blowing it out of proportion, and I want to give
Speaker 1: you the tools to deal with it, but sometimes I
Speaker 1: want to say, like, can you just tell me what
Speaker 1: I should do in this situation? Also, I need my friends,
Speaker 1: and your friends can. But also I do find like
Speaker 1: you have to find that balance with your friends because
Speaker 1: I don't always want every conversation I have with my
Speaker 1: friends to be processing to be talking about trauma. She's
Speaker 1: talking about me. I have that girl I'm talking about
Speaker 1: how I show up to our friendship. I don't always
Speaker 1: want to show up to my friends and be like
Speaker 1: I'm going to spend the next hour that we're talking
Speaker 1: talking about everything that's going on in my life. You know,
Speaker 1: we should, that should be part of it, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't always need to. Well, there's also a very big
Speaker 1: difference between coming to your friends because you want to
Speaker 1: vent and coming to your friends because you want a
Speaker 1: problem solve. Because like, if you come to me, I'm
Speaker 1: not just gonna let you vent unless you tell me
Speaker 1: that that's what you need. But like, if you come
Speaker 1: to me to complain about something, I will hold space
Speaker 1: for it very quickly, and then I'm gonna be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: so what's the game plan let's do this. And I
Speaker 1: not everyone wants that, you know, like not everyone. Sometimes
Speaker 1: people just want to externally process and that's okay too.
Speaker 1: Something I unfortunately have this like logic mechanism in my
Speaker 1: brain that can't turn off. You do, but you can
Speaker 1: turn it off. Can. I have this problem a lot
Speaker 1: with my mother where I go to her and it
Speaker 1: kind of is like maybe a little similar to Diane
Speaker 1: Keaton's relationship with her mother in the movie. I go
Speaker 1: to my mom and I want to vent about what's
Speaker 1: going on with me, and what I want from her
Speaker 1: is her to go, oh no, sweetie, that awful. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. That sucks. But my mom is like, well,
Speaker 1: here's what you should do, here's the plan. How do
Speaker 1: we spend this? Like and I just sometimes have to
Speaker 1: say to her, I, please don't do that to me
Speaker 1: right now. I just want you to like do the whatever.
Speaker 1: Like conversation version is of like stroking my hair and
Speaker 1: it's all going to be okay, yeah, And I'm like you,
Speaker 1: I like, I'm like, okay, we're going to mood board this. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: We're going to make our well for me. It's and
Speaker 1: this is what First Wives Club about. It was like, yes,
Speaker 1: you convent, but creativity is healing, having a project, a
Speaker 1: thing to do. If it's revenge, but it's like it's
Speaker 1: especially you know what's funny because I so not a
Speaker 1: memory of like ruining their ex husbands lives through their
Speaker 1: project to me, the remaining Like, yes, it was kind
Speaker 1: of the initial motivation, but it was really all of
Speaker 1: them finding purpose and work together. And they also knew
Speaker 1: that their husbands were corrupt, Like they weren't doing something
Speaker 1: showing who were just like fine, they were just giving
Speaker 1: them a taste of the Yes, it's very satiated. One
Speaker 1: of them was not cruel, it's just how it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, one of them was sucking a teenager, one
Speaker 1: of them was scamming people and like selling stolen property.
Speaker 1: And then one of them was fucking there counselor, which
Speaker 1: Sara Jessica Parker was with Morty who's the scamper. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, she's so good enough, so sexy three Sex
Speaker 1: in the City Sara Jessica Parker Sex in the City. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Wow, that's crazy. I mean, I yeah,
Speaker 1: revenge is I think I think it gets a bad rap,
Speaker 1: but I actually think it's a very productive motive sometimes,
Speaker 1: Like I think there's something I think you were saying earlier,
Speaker 1: like the way they paid it forward, Like I think
Speaker 1: that is an effective way to kind of work through
Speaker 1: something in a revenge like with the revenge path. Have
Speaker 1: either of you ever gotten revenge on somebody, because I
Speaker 1: think I have. I feel like of my success is
Speaker 1: like a product of like revenge. Well, I do. I
Speaker 1: do subscribe to the idea that living well is the
Speaker 1: best revenge. I don't know that I've ever enacted vengeance
Speaker 1: on someone. I certainly have let things play out in
Speaker 1: a way where someone who did me wrong got what
Speaker 1: was coming to them. And I also have let my
Speaker 1: life play out in a way where my own success
Speaker 1: has proven people who have done me wrong wrong, And
Speaker 1: to me, that is the best kind of revenge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going to echo that SENTI I definitely like I
Speaker 1: I feel like I was like hustling my way through
Speaker 1: my first like years in New York being like I'm
Speaker 1: going to prove every single high school bully that I
Speaker 1: ever had, like that I can be successful any person
Speaker 1: that ever didn't believe in me or whatever. But beyond that,
Speaker 1: I actually I mean, I'm going to be very vague
Speaker 1: because I don't want this to get back to the person.
Speaker 1: But one time I always seeing someone for a while,
Speaker 1: Like I was super duber like in love with this person,
Speaker 1: and we broke up in a way that was like
Speaker 1: just not amicable, and they did something that was like
Speaker 1: very shitty on the kind of quasi cheating level that
Speaker 1: was just like very painful or whatever, and I forgot
Speaker 1: about this person for like years. Good revenge, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: yes that the best revenge happens years later. And I
Speaker 1: also yes, exactly exactly, And um, you know, I ended
Speaker 1: up hooking up with this person years later in New
Speaker 1: York while they were seeing someone else, So they were
Speaker 1: cheating on their new partner while hooking up with me
Speaker 1: on the side. I know, I'm not proud of it,
Speaker 1: but I'm but I also don't care. Um. And one
Speaker 1: time I got into an uberpool, remember uberpool, Like I
Speaker 1: was getting home. Yeah, it's so fun to pay three
Speaker 1: dollars and seven the sixth cents to to sit in
Speaker 1: the backseat of a Toyota camera with two people who
Speaker 1: are doing meth and trying to figure out if you
Speaker 1: want to come home with them. So my god, You're like,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get to the airport. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: this was like an era of nightlife where like I
Speaker 1: only took uber pools. It was all I could afford.
Speaker 1: And like I got into an uber pool and sat
Speaker 1: there for like three minutes and the woman next to
Speaker 1: me goes like, are you fran or whatever? And I
Speaker 1: was like, what, Okay, now I've had a conversation with
Speaker 1: this person. And this person was like, oh, I would
Speaker 1: have gotten out yeah, but this person was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm mutual friends with blank, this person that I was,
Speaker 1: this new person that I was hooking up with, and
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, yeah, he seems like super happy.
Speaker 1: I'm really good friends with him and his partner and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, they seem so happy or whatever. And
Speaker 1: I think I was a little drunk and I was
Speaker 1: I remember being like, you know, I have known blah
Speaker 1: blah blah for a very long time, and I will
Speaker 1: say like I don't think he's being true to his
Speaker 1: partner or whatever. And I basically wanted a very small
Speaker 1: seed that was just like I don't like this person
Speaker 1: is kind of maybe cheating on your friend or whatever
Speaker 1: with me, But like I didn't say that, but I
Speaker 1: like and and then like I never saw that person again,
Speaker 1: and like, I think we stopped talking up or whatever,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it ever got back to
Speaker 1: that person, but if it did, it's like years later.
Speaker 1: Revenge basically, you know what is part of all this?
Speaker 1: Like living well, it's the best. Revenge is something that
Speaker 1: I feel is very much a product of of knowing
Speaker 1: that that is something that I am uh striving for.
Speaker 1: Is when I go and look at who watches my
Speaker 1: Instagram stories? Yeah, that it's like an intricate little like
Speaker 1: vanity exercise, like or like I go and scroll through
Speaker 1: my social media looking at it as if I am
Speaker 1: a person who was looking at it from the outside
Speaker 1: and trying to understand the story it tells. I do
Speaker 1: think that social media, like by and large, is a
Speaker 1: byproduct of that idea of wanting to, you know, stick
Speaker 1: it to the people who have stuck it to you.
Speaker 1: Try not to look at like my story views. But
Speaker 1: I do often see my people that have sextually, you know,
Speaker 1: ghosted me watching every story and I'm like, you can't
Speaker 1: get enough. No, no, it's hot. You put on a
Speaker 1: great show. I put on a great show, and that's appreciated.
Speaker 1: And there's so much value in putting on a great show.
Speaker 1: You know, entertainment has so much value people. It's really
Speaker 1: vulnerable to put yourself out there and a lot of
Speaker 1: people just can't do it. And like on topic, I
Speaker 1: do have divorce energy, like I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of it. What does that mean to you? I think
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of like what I feel like,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like a very like I don't need
Speaker 1: a man, like I'm just a solo queen or ever,
Speaker 1: kind of like Eartha Kit Tracy Ellis Ross. I actually
Speaker 1: think you have second wife energy. I think you're more
Speaker 1: of the Sarah Jessica Parker would love in the situation.
Speaker 1: And I'm too smart to be a trophy wife though,
Speaker 1: but I would love to be. Wait, I'm going to
Speaker 1: stop you right there. Yeah you're like if you are,
Speaker 1: you are that's that's hor phobic. It is okay call me.
Speaker 1: You are not too smart to be a trophy wive.
Speaker 1: I've learned so much from trophy wives. A lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of people I really care about love and
Speaker 1: trust have taught me a lot about worthiness because I
Speaker 1: think trophy wifery is just like full time sex work
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, it's one client, and like you can
Speaker 1: agree or disagree, but like somebody's taking care of you
Speaker 1: and paying for your life and you can get your
Speaker 1: nails done and all that stuff or whatever it means
Speaker 1: to you. But I think it's just kind of owning
Speaker 1: the job. It's like, I'm not apologizing. It's kind of
Speaker 1: sex work that is legitimized by our social structure, right
Speaker 1: because you've got a man, so you're legit now. And
Speaker 1: it's also super problematic, right because like now, like the
Speaker 1: trophy wife exit strategy is kind of like what a
Speaker 1: lot of strippers want, being like a wife in a
Speaker 1: heterosexual relationship. Even sometimes, like I think a lot about
Speaker 1: that that Paris is Burning clip where that girl is
Speaker 1: like that there's a sex worker in Paris is Burning
Speaker 1: and she's kind of giving a spield to the camera
Speaker 1: and she's like, why is what I do like any
Speaker 1: different than the wife who really wants that washer and
Speaker 1: dryer and the man her husband doesn't want to give
Speaker 1: it to her, but she's going to give him what
Speaker 1: he wants that evening and so the next morning he
Speaker 1: buys the washer and dry or like, why is that
Speaker 1: any different than what I do. Like, I think a
Speaker 1: lot about that. Clean clothes are amazing. Do you ever
Speaker 1: watch Real Houseyes of Beverly Hills. I don't, Okay, So
Speaker 1: that is trophy whiffery to the like nth degree. Not all,
Speaker 1: not all of them, because a lot of them the
Speaker 1: women are are the ones who are bringing the capital
Speaker 1: to the relationship, as in First Wives Club, Because you know,
Speaker 1: you have Goldie Hawn, who is this Oscar winning actress
Speaker 1: who is the one who made her director husband's career.
Speaker 1: You have Bette Midler who says like she's the one
Speaker 1: who supported her husband until he became successful, and once
Speaker 1: he gained success, that's when he left her. And then
Speaker 1: Diane Keaton who like, you know, we don't really know
Speaker 1: what her deal is, but like she has a very
Speaker 1: nice apartment, so she's still sleeping with her anymore and
Speaker 1: ends up buying his advertising agency. I think because she
Speaker 1: maybe got out of the business to have their child.
Speaker 1: That's maybe what we're supposed to understand is like she
Speaker 1: let him be the one who focused on his career
Speaker 1: while she focused on more domestic pursuits. So raising a
Speaker 1: lesbian yeah, raising, oh my god, iconic this is, And
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of like where what this movie meant
Speaker 1: to me and the ways that I experienced it as
Speaker 1: a child, like definitely younger than I should have. I
Speaker 1: think I probably saw it for the first time on HBO.
Speaker 1: It was definitely on HBO a lot when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, and I think, like the things that I
Speaker 1: responded to were these fabulous women. I think also because
Speaker 1: I was a child of divorce, there was something in
Speaker 1: it that I like. It was like like calling to
Speaker 1: like um and then also all the gay stuff um
Speaker 1: of the gay as revenge. I feel like gay is revenge.
Speaker 1: You know. This is like I still struggle with my
Speaker 1: like identity sexually, not struggle. I don't struggle with it more,
Speaker 1: but but it's my who I want to fuck right
Speaker 1: is basically is sexuality to me. It's also a personal expression.
Speaker 1: But it's always changing. Yeah, it's always like who, what
Speaker 1: I'm attracted to, what I want to call in who
Speaker 1: I think is intriguing. It's it's changing because I'm an
Speaker 1: Aquarius and I get bored, so I like to change.
Speaker 1: So what does that mean with my sexual identity. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but like the whole like gay as as
Speaker 1: a revenge like daddy, I'm a lesbian, a big one,
Speaker 1: you know, like as to funk with him. Like part
Speaker 1: of me was like, that's fucking amazing, and part of
Speaker 1: me was like, wait what it's because it's yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the worst possible thing this man could hear is that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because if the yeah exactly, if the conflict is queerness,
Speaker 1: like that is like right, it was a nineties movie,
Speaker 1: and I still love the movie. Nothing's perfect. Things perfect,
Speaker 1: There's plenty of things that aren't perfect about it, but
Speaker 1: like it's very long, it's a little long. It's it's
Speaker 1: a little long, is it. I loved every minute you
Speaker 1: know what else is really long nine to five, which
Speaker 1: is kind of in such a good movie. That's another
Speaker 1: real I mean I enjoyed every minute of it. And
Speaker 1: how they wrote that movie too, how it came together,
Speaker 1: Like apparently I have I fan called really hard on
Speaker 1: all of those actresses, right, so um, apparently they really
Speaker 1: did all smoke pot and talk about the anses of
Speaker 1: what they would do to their boss, and that's how
Speaker 1: they wrote those scenes. No where, Yeah, I think they
Speaker 1: were all smoking pot. Who is the Who's probably probably
Speaker 1: with Jane Well they're all stone. Well, I think Lily
Speaker 1: would be the one to bring it out, to bring
Speaker 1: the weight. And apparently that was like a real they
Speaker 1: really did interact and like have that moment, and that's
Speaker 1: how they wrote it into the movie, which is how
Speaker 1: I make my movies. Is I really just write what
Speaker 1: really happened in real life. And then I hid and
Speaker 1: Jane was like the engine that made that movie happen.
Speaker 1: And I remember she brought in Lily because she was
Speaker 1: because she was a lesbian. She was like Lily brings
Speaker 1: that in factor. She know, she brings in a certain audience.
Speaker 1: She's not your average woman, Like this is like perfect.
Speaker 1: And then of course like she brought in Dolly. I
Speaker 1: think they had already worked together or something, but like,
Speaker 1: wasn't that Dolly's first acting person only still not only no,
Speaker 1: no no, and she's no phenominal best little her house.
Speaker 1: Yes she did. That's a good movie. Yeah yeah, um
Speaker 1: I love also but yeah that that movie is so good.
Speaker 1: And she I remember, didn't she like didn't Dolly write
Speaker 1: the song? My she she didn't nails like like the
Speaker 1: she I can do it right now? Yeah she did that,
Speaker 1: she wrote it and she was like I got the
Speaker 1: song idea and then she went up to Jane and
Speaker 1: Lily it was like, what do you think? And she
Speaker 1: sang it and did the rhythm with her nails and
Speaker 1: they were like, they were like, it's a hit, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was. Honestly, it was the probably like an
Speaker 1: imminent part of like what happens when you when a
Speaker 1: song defines movie promotion or whatever, because that movie, that
Speaker 1: song was everywhere along with the movie's promotion, and it
Speaker 1: reminds me of like um Hold My Hand by Lady Gaga,
Speaker 1: or I was going to say, um Survivor for Charlie's Angel.
Speaker 1: Oh no, wait, was yea independent woman? Independent woman? Sorry?
Speaker 1: Sorry sorry for that was like kind of the moment
Speaker 1: Camerondi and Destiny. Yes, I also love that one. When
Speaker 1: we when we emailed you and asked you about topics,
Speaker 1: one of your alts was Coyote Ugly. Oh yeah, which
Speaker 1: we got it. I would love to talk about Kyote
Speaker 1: Ugly to me canonically, Kyoe Ugly. I don't know why
Speaker 1: this is, but it's a Thanksgiving movie. I always watched
Speaker 1: it on Thanksgiving and like, I don't know, there's just
Speaker 1: something about it. But they're all sitting around the table
Speaker 1: counting money together food movie about chosen family. It is
Speaker 1: a movie about chosen family. That movie made me want
Speaker 1: to be a stripper, hands down. Yeah. I mean it
Speaker 1: was because remember that when tire Banks is like we
Speaker 1: made three dollars tonight, and she had all this cash
Speaker 1: and all these girls were sitting around the table. Romantic
Speaker 1: plotline be gone, not that inc It was girls hanging
Speaker 1: out together talking about money. And this is what I
Speaker 1: like to do. I like to hang out with my girls,
Speaker 1: and I like to talk about how we're going to
Speaker 1: get money and that. And they all looked hot and
Speaker 1: they were slutty, and I wanted all of those things.
Speaker 1: And then some amazing music and she's an artist, she
Speaker 1: becomes she does this job because she needs the gear
Speaker 1: to make her music so that she can be songwriter.
Speaker 1: Because being an artist costs money and time and time
Speaker 1: to do it. So you take these jobs that are
Speaker 1: higher paying so that you have the time and the
Speaker 1: freedom to create your art. And I just saw her
Speaker 1: doing that. I remember on her like Apple computer that
Speaker 1: was like the new remember they came out and they
Speaker 1: all had colors, and I was just like, I want
Speaker 1: to be hanging out in my New York loft, like
Speaker 1: making a bunch of cash and making art when she
Speaker 1: gets robbed, and when she gets robbed, keeps the money
Speaker 1: in the freezer and they find it. Yeah, but then
Speaker 1: she rebuilds. Oh and also her best friend is played
Speaker 1: by Melanie Lynskey, who who played those kinds of roles
Speaker 1: for literally decades before. She's now getting her flowers and
Speaker 1: yellow jackets. How when did you remember when you saw Okay,
Speaker 1: Like how old you were or like I was probably like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, well what year did it come out?
Speaker 1: Two thousand? I turned fourteen. I was thirteen and fourteen,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, like decade little did you know that?
Speaker 1: Like a decade later or however long? It was literally
Speaker 1: a decade later I became Mr bart three and like
Speaker 1: and not just I mean like literally, like you are
Speaker 1: sitting at home idolizing like strippers on Petty Ugly and
Speaker 1: then like you know, years and years later j Lo
Speaker 1: would be motor boating you and hustlers like truly, like
Speaker 1: that is the full it is a full circle moment. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you walk differently after Jlo feels you up, I
Speaker 1: have to. I mean, I don't know if you. I mean,
Speaker 1: we can take it out if you don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about it. I would love to know more about
Speaker 1: like just being on Hustlers. I remember after the movie,
Speaker 1: shortly after the movie came out, you wrote a really long,
Speaker 1: super thoughtful, like kind of Instagram story post just about
Speaker 1: the nuances of like that movie's relationship to like sex work,
Speaker 1: and like your relationship to it. Like what was the
Speaker 1: story of like being a part of that movie. It
Speaker 1: was amazing. It was my big break. Literally, I got
Speaker 1: an email around my birthday, from my thirty first birthday,
Speaker 1: I think, uh, saying, hey, do you want an audition
Speaker 1: for Hustlers starring Jennifer Lopez? And I was like, and
Speaker 1: also every other stars yes. And I remember I think
Speaker 1: I was driving or something, and I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be in that fucking movie. I just said it.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to be in this fucking movie.
Speaker 1: So I auditioned, and I meet Lorene Scafaria, the writer
Speaker 1: and director who I really admire, who is a badass.
Speaker 1: And I do the audition and then they offered me
Speaker 1: the part and they're like, also, will you be the
Speaker 1: intimacy coordinator? Yeah? Yeah, So I was like sure, we
Speaker 1: called it stripper consultant, comfort consultant because there weren't sex scenes.
Speaker 1: They weren't simulating sex, but like they needed help, you know,
Speaker 1: making the stripper scenes real. And so I was there.
Speaker 1: So j Low was like what would I say in
Speaker 1: a situation like this? And like how would I move?
Speaker 1: And like you know, what is this like? And like
Speaker 1: what would I say to a guy in this? And
Speaker 1: I just you know, she asked a lot of thoughtful
Speaker 1: questions and she didn't need that much help. She's Jennifer
Speaker 1: Lopez just called them all scum. Yeah. Well I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I told her. She was like,
Speaker 1: what would I say if Usher walked in the club?
Speaker 1: And I was like, ask him his name? Yeah. The
Speaker 1: movie that was The Couch, It's like what's your name?
Speaker 1: Because that's what you have to do when there's somebody
Speaker 1: who's big, you got to act like they're just a
Speaker 1: regular person. And it was a great scene. It was
Speaker 1: such a cool experience. I wouldn't have traded it for anything,
Speaker 1: you know, because it I wanted. I've always wanted to
Speaker 1: be in movies and make movies, and that was my opportunity.
Speaker 1: And that's a pretty good one. Do you think do
Speaker 1: you think it's a really like fair and thoughtful depiction
Speaker 1: of that industry, of the industry experience. I did not
Speaker 1: scam a bunch of guys out of that much money.
Speaker 1: But let me tell you, I wish I did. I
Speaker 1: wish I did because I remember when that cut article
Speaker 1: came out and I was working in the clubs in Manhattan,
Speaker 1: and look, stripping in Manhattan is the hardest ship I've
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of hard things, but it's tough.
Speaker 1: It is tough. I learned so much about myself. I
Speaker 1: became so much stronger. But it's a really intense. It's
Speaker 1: capitalism on steroids, right, It's like all of these people,
Speaker 1: uh who work in New York and who can afford
Speaker 1: New York City strip clubs, they're intense, intense. They want
Speaker 1: your soul because they've sold theirs and they want yours,
Speaker 1: you know. And I don't want to say all everyone,
Speaker 1: but it's intense, and like, sometimes don't you just wish
Speaker 1: they were fucking sleeping instead of trying to gnaw on
Speaker 1: your nipples? Yeah, Like if I could give someone ketamine
Speaker 1: to go have a nice nap instead of chewing on
Speaker 1: my tits, go to sleep, go to sleep sleep. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so, look like I know what, I love a
Speaker 1: movie about women doing bad things because I am not
Speaker 1: a good person. This is why why we love I mean,
Speaker 1: they were like, you know, catech good. I feel they were.
Speaker 1: They were good. I mean, honestly, I think it's just
Speaker 1: kind of like owning that, like a we all have
Speaker 1: shadow sides, we all do things, we all do bad things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for so long, we only got one of these movies,
Speaker 1: like a decade um and in In I think, like
Speaker 1: other versions of them, the women were always punished. And
Speaker 1: that's one great thing about these films is that the
Speaker 1: women aren't punished for doing bad things or forgetting what
Speaker 1: they want. I think now we're to place in media
Speaker 1: where stories that center women doing bad things, like we
Speaker 1: there's like an embarrassment of riches. We have a lot
Speaker 1: of them, and the women don't have to be punished
Speaker 1: at the end of them. Let us, let let us
Speaker 1: learn the lesson, let us take the lesson and keep going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I've got a new movie about strippers coming out
Speaker 1: in the fall. Are you allowed to talk about it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I sure am, Yeah, it's my movie. I can do
Speaker 1: whatever I wrote, directed, executive produced, co directed, and started
Speaker 1: my first film. It's called Tuesdays with Brian so excited.
Speaker 1: I had a character that I did a lot on
Speaker 1: Instagram a couple of years ago. So it stars Brian
Speaker 1: played by me, and it's a guy going to a
Speaker 1: strip club. It's just into regular Tuesday, all of those,
Speaker 1: all of that just there's so much fodder in that.
Speaker 1: And the whole cast and crew is predominantly people who
Speaker 1: are familiar with the industry have worked in it, so
Speaker 1: it's told by people who have done the work, and
Speaker 1: it's funny, I honestly think. I mean, in the array
Speaker 1: of like sex worker movies that I can think of,
Speaker 1: I feel like I have yet to see one that
Speaker 1: feels like sex workers had like I played a super
Speaker 1: meaningful part and like what was be made outside of hustlers.
Speaker 1: I also think like Zola, like Zola like that that
Speaker 1: kind of ye. So the way they portrayed um sex
Speaker 1: work as like I'm just trying to work, just trying
Speaker 1: to get the money, and you have to deal with
Speaker 1: all of that sex works of like I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to get twenty People think that the dancing is what
Speaker 1: you get paid for when you're a stripper, right that
Speaker 1: it's like the twenty lap dance, Like I had to
Speaker 1: spend ten minutes talking to this guy to convince him
Speaker 1: to buy one. That's the work. The three and a
Speaker 1: half minutes where I'm dancing is where I can just
Speaker 1: kind of move my body and breathe and just tune
Speaker 1: it out and just do my It is a lot
Speaker 1: of it is very anticlimactic, and so much of sex
Speaker 1: work and my experience of it was waiting and just
Speaker 1: kind of like getting ready being on call. Yeah, getting ready,
Speaker 1: I mean ready is fun. Sometimes the waiting is not.
Speaker 1: And then I always loved like the aftermath of like Okay,
Speaker 1: now I'm going to order a burrito and just vibe.
Speaker 1: It really helped me with valuing performance and art as
Speaker 1: as work, because now as an artist, I treat my
Speaker 1: creativity and my craft and my time and my body
Speaker 1: with the same care, because it's really essential that I'm
Speaker 1: in good health, that my hands work, that my voice works,
Speaker 1: that my body is strong so that I can continue
Speaker 1: to do the things that I need to do to
Speaker 1: make a living. And that's really what stripping tommy and
Speaker 1: that's how my performance as a comedian I know is
Speaker 1: enhanced eight thousand times because of my work on stage
Speaker 1: as a stripper and my ability to talk to people,
Speaker 1: and most importantly, my comfort with asking for money, because
Speaker 1: if you want to be an artist, you if you
Speaker 1: want to fall in love with art, you have to
Speaker 1: fall in love with asking for money all the time.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's for I mean, it's I still ask
Speaker 1: for money. Every single thing that I do to make
Speaker 1: a living is eventually me asking for money. Yeah, occasionally,
Speaker 1: occasionally people will offer me money, but it's very much
Speaker 1: asking for it all the time. And um, it used
Speaker 1: to be revengeful that, you know a man, Haiti. I
Speaker 1: started stripping. I'm a survivor. I got into stripping and
Speaker 1: I have really hated men, and I felt like that
Speaker 1: was a place where I could take my power back
Speaker 1: and get paid and be safe. And over many, many,
Speaker 1: many years, I've sort of like healed parts of that.
Speaker 1: And then money is a lot of things. It's sexy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is sex. I love cash undeniably. I love them.
Speaker 1: I love In First Wives Club, when Goldie Hahn takes
Speaker 1: all of her ex husband's possessions and then sells them
Speaker 1: at auction and gives him her cut of it, which
Speaker 1: is yeah, whatever, Yes, the Lamborghini, the Liechtenstein, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: Miller is so good, and that maybe she is Goldie
Speaker 1: hand every day. That is literally I took that when
Speaker 1: I the first time I got Fillers. I took that
Speaker 1: photo with me and said, this is what I want.
Speaker 1: I want. But she's in the chair and she's like more.
Speaker 1: She is so Goldie. Hawn is one of the greats
Speaker 1: of our lifetime, one of the greatest comedic actress is
Speaker 1: And I think she is not thought of in that
Speaker 1: way enough because I think, like because she is like
Speaker 1: so beautiful and so glamorous, but she is a comedic genius.
Speaker 1: We were actually just talking recently about I I just
Speaker 1: saw a production of Into the Woods in New York,
Speaker 1: the Steven Sonheim musical, and there was supposed to be
Speaker 1: a movie version of it with her and Share and
Speaker 1: Robin Williams. I'm so sad that we were robbed of that,
Speaker 1: and I wish she was doing movies doing movies. Wasn't
Speaker 1: the last movie she did? That movie with Amy Schumer.
Speaker 1: My favorite of hers is The House Sitter. I've never
Speaker 1: seen it. Oh my god, what is it about? Oh
Speaker 1: my god? Steve Martin. Goldie Han is it's a squatting movie.
Speaker 1: She starts squatting in Steve Martin's house and she's so
Speaker 1: hot knit she wears her body suits in her jeans
Speaker 1: and she's just like being amazing the premises. She meets
Speaker 1: Steve Martin at a bar or something and she find
Speaker 1: and he and he I don't know, and he has
Speaker 1: like a beautiful house. He's an architect, but he's like
Speaker 1: not living in it because I think he proposed to
Speaker 1: his girlfriend and she was like it was such a
Speaker 1: good scene. He builds this beautiful house for her and
Speaker 1: he drives up in the converted to this beautiful house
Speaker 1: and he's presenting the house and he's like, marry me
Speaker 1: and this bitch I love her. She's like no. So
Speaker 1: he's so bummed. Right, he goes drinking and he's like drawing,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I really ate so much to so
Speaker 1: many parts of this movie. He's like drawing on a
Speaker 1: cocktail napkin the house and Goldie Han finds it, and
Speaker 1: she finds the house and she just starts living in
Speaker 1: it because no one's there, and she's pretending that she's
Speaker 1: his new girlfriend, but he doesn't know because he's not there.
Speaker 1: It's such a good movie. It's such an inspiration. And
Speaker 1: three of them are like the are great, they're amazing actresses.
Speaker 1: Yan Keene is an amazing way. She's still she really
Speaker 1: has showed kind of how much she sucks. But that year,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this is this anatirist is probably told to death.
Speaker 1: But like Bet the fact that Bett used to like
Speaker 1: singing like gay bath houses, Like did you know that
Speaker 1: she used to like she like used to do before
Speaker 1: she was like famous famous, Her agent will book her
Speaker 1: for like three dollars to like sing songs at like
Speaker 1: gay bathhouses where there was like you know, back when
Speaker 1: like you know, gay sex was criminalized. This is where
Speaker 1: they were the origin. I love it. I love the
Speaker 1: money you get to do weird Ship because it's a
Speaker 1: gig my idea. A gig is a gig and they
Speaker 1: are not all great, but they're all great stories. Could
Speaker 1: you imagine Bette Midler performing to a room full of
Speaker 1: wi yes, yes, yes, I I'm sure there's plenty of
Speaker 1: gay men who still have sex while Bette Midler is
Speaker 1: in the room in some way or another. Well, in
Speaker 1: the Politician season two, there's so many different ways to
Speaker 1: put on a show and share a story and be
Speaker 1: a great entertainer. And these are the stories we talked
Speaker 1: about thirty years later. You can put on a show
Speaker 1: at your you know, women's shelter at the end of
Speaker 1: the opening while no one is there. Yes, because it
Speaker 1: just feels so good to do it. I'm just so
Speaker 1: happy that that film had the self awareness to put
Speaker 1: that scene at the end of them doing a number. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's going to end in a dance finale. It has
Speaker 1: to end in the most celebratory way. Yes, I feel
Speaker 1: like that movie is now like a beloved like gay film.
Speaker 1: I think it's a beloved like lesbian film. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of trans people love this film. And I
Speaker 1: think that, like a lot of things that had mass
Speaker 1: appeal when it came out in the nineties, have like
Speaker 1: a cruden value to where we are now. And I
Speaker 1: think like revenge and like powerful women like getting that
Speaker 1: revenge to kind of suck the patriarchy. Like, it's amazing
Speaker 1: how much that message has like just become even more
Speaker 1: kind of resident also passes the back tol test because
Speaker 1: like they start off talking about their husbands and then
Speaker 1: the real drama becomes their relation chips with each other.
Speaker 1: You know, there's the scene where she throws the golden globe.
Speaker 1: I think when they all fight and when Goldie Hans
Speaker 1: says one of her best lines ever, I have feelings.
Speaker 1: I'm an actress. I have, all of them have. And
Speaker 1: also you know, just like the the zane nous of it,
Speaker 1: when they're in the scaffold, the window washing thing, and
Speaker 1: it falls like that. They just don't make movies like
Speaker 1: this anymore. They don't, They literally don't. But we can't. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna so I'm I'm moving into like much more
Speaker 1: serious filmmaking. So rest assured, I'm going to be making
Speaker 1: way more buddy comedies. All the rich people listening. If
Speaker 1: you want to finance Queer, Fast and the Furious, you
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