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Speaker 1: For the audience you can't see me right now, I'm

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Speaker 1: one of the girls was talking about UM, a challenge

426
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: she was having with this chick she was seeing, And

427
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: it turned out it was the same problem we were

428
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: all having, and we had never We've been friends for

429
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: two years and none of us knew that we all

430
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: had the same challenge with our partners. And now I'm

431
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: divorced and I hadn't I hadn't left my marriage yet.

432
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: So and like everybody has challenges, right, it doesn't really matter,

433
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: Like everybody has challenges, they're they're pretty normal. I think

434
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: normalizing our problems is really important and not stigmatizing them

435
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: and not blaming, just being like, yeah, this is a

436
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: challenge and like you can fight through it, or you

437
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: can you can remove yourself from the situation. You have options.

438
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: But it's it's nice to talk about the options with

439
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: your girls. I mean I exclusively have to workshop things

440
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: with my girls. There are things that like obviously my

441
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: therapists can help me with, but like it's like, no,

442
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: my girls are going to give me the real, real

443
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,959
Speaker 1: because therapists, I mean I know that there are like

444
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: you know that that's actual professional reasons why you can't

445
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: just tell me what to do because but like therapists

446
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: just don't tell you what to do sometimes sometimes you

447
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: I need a therapist to be a little prescriptive. I

448
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: have a similar problem with mine and that she is

449
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: more of a sounding board. And like my therapist, my

450
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: therapist is really good at being that person who is saying,

451
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: I'm an objective voice telling you that the thing that

452
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: you're thinking about your life is not crazy, You're not

453
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: blowing it out of proportion, and I want to give

454
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: you the tools to deal with it, but sometimes I

455
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: want to say, like, can you just tell me what

456
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: I should do in this situation? Also, I need my friends,

457
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: and your friends can. But also I do find like

458
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: you have to find that balance with your friends because

459
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: I don't always want every conversation I have with my

460
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 1: friends to be processing to be talking about trauma. She's

461
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: talking about me. I have that girl I'm talking about

462
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: how I show up to our friendship. I don't always

463
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: want to show up to my friends and be like

464
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to spend the next hour that we're talking

465
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: talking about everything that's going on in my life. You know,

466
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: we should, that should be part of it, but it

467
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: doesn't always need to. Well, there's also a very big

468
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: difference between coming to your friends because you want to

469
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: vent and coming to your friends because you want a

470
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: problem solve. Because like, if you come to me, I'm

471
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: not just gonna let you vent unless you tell me

472
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: that that's what you need. But like, if you come

473
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: to me to complain about something, I will hold space

474
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: for it very quickly, and then I'm gonna be like, Okay,

475
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: so what's the game plan let's do this. And I

476
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: not everyone wants that, you know, like not everyone. Sometimes

477
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: people just want to externally process and that's okay too.

478
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 1: Something I unfortunately have this like logic mechanism in my

479
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: brain that can't turn off. You do, but you can

480
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: turn it off. Can. I have this problem a lot

481
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: with my mother where I go to her and it

482
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: kind of is like maybe a little similar to Diane

483
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: Keaton's relationship with her mother in the movie. I go

484
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: to my mom and I want to vent about what's

485
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: going on with me, and what I want from her

486
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: is her to go, oh no, sweetie, that awful. I'm

487
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: so sorry. That sucks. But my mom is like, well,

488
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: here's what you should do, here's the plan. How do

489
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: we spend this? Like and I just sometimes have to

490
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: say to her, I, please don't do that to me

491
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: right now. I just want you to like do the whatever.

492
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: Like conversation version is of like stroking my hair and

493
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: it's all going to be okay, yeah, And I'm like you,

494
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: I like, I'm like, okay, we're going to mood board this. Yeah, yeah,

495
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: We're going to make our well for me. It's and

496
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: this is what First Wives Club about. It was like, yes,

497
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: you convent, but creativity is healing, having a project, a

498
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: thing to do. If it's revenge, but it's like it's

499
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: especially you know what's funny because I so not a

500
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: memory of like ruining their ex husbands lives through their

501
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: project to me, the remaining Like, yes, it was kind

502
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: of the initial motivation, but it was really all of

503
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: them finding purpose and work together. And they also knew

504
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: that their husbands were corrupt, Like they weren't doing something

505
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: showing who were just like fine, they were just giving

506
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: them a taste of the Yes, it's very satiated. One

507
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: of them was not cruel, it's just how it is.

508
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean, one of them was sucking a teenager, one

509
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: of them was scamming people and like selling stolen property.

510
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: And then one of them was fucking there counselor, which

511
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: Sara Jessica Parker was with Morty who's the scamper. Oh

512
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: my god, she's so good enough, so sexy three Sex

513
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: in the City Sara Jessica Parker Sex in the City. Yeah,

514
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Wow, that's crazy. I mean, I yeah,

515
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: revenge is I think I think it gets a bad rap,

516
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: but I actually think it's a very productive motive sometimes,

517
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: Like I think there's something I think you were saying earlier,

518
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: like the way they paid it forward, Like I think

519
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: that is an effective way to kind of work through

520
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: something in a revenge like with the revenge path. Have

521
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: either of you ever gotten revenge on somebody, because I

522
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: think I have. I feel like of my success is

523
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: like a product of like revenge. Well, I do. I

524
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: do subscribe to the idea that living well is the

525
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: best revenge. I don't know that I've ever enacted vengeance

526
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: on someone. I certainly have let things play out in

527
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: a way where someone who did me wrong got what

528
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: was coming to them. And I also have let my

529
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: life play out in a way where my own success

530
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: has proven people who have done me wrong wrong, And

531
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: to me, that is the best kind of revenge. Yeah,

532
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to echo that SENTI I definitely like I

533
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: I feel like I was like hustling my way through

534
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: my first like years in New York being like I'm

535
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: going to prove every single high school bully that I

536
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: ever had, like that I can be successful any person

537
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: that ever didn't believe in me or whatever. But beyond that,

538
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: I actually I mean, I'm going to be very vague

539
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: because I don't want this to get back to the person.

540
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: But one time I always seeing someone for a while,

541
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: Like I was super duber like in love with this person,

542
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: and we broke up in a way that was like

543
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: just not amicable, and they did something that was like

544
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: very shitty on the kind of quasi cheating level that

545
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: was just like very painful or whatever, and I forgot

546
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: about this person for like years. Good revenge, yes, yes, yes,

547
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: yes that the best revenge happens years later. And I

548
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: also yes, exactly exactly, And um, you know, I ended

549
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,239
Speaker 1: up hooking up with this person years later in New

550
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: York while they were seeing someone else, So they were

551
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: cheating on their new partner while hooking up with me

552
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: on the side. I know, I'm not proud of it,

553
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: but I'm but I also don't care. Um. And one

554
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: time I got into an uberpool, remember uberpool, Like I

555
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: was getting home. Yeah, it's so fun to pay three

556
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: dollars and seven the sixth cents to to sit in

557
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: the backseat of a Toyota camera with two people who

558
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: are doing meth and trying to figure out if you

559
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: want to come home with them. So my god, You're like,

560
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get to the airport. Yeah. And

561
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: this was like an era of nightlife where like I

562
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: only took uber pools. It was all I could afford.

563
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: And like I got into an uber pool and sat

564
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: there for like three minutes and the woman next to

565
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: me goes like, are you fran or whatever? And I

566
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: was like, what, Okay, now I've had a conversation with

567
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: this person. And this person was like, oh, I would

568
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: have gotten out yeah, but this person was like, oh,

569
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: I'm mutual friends with blank, this person that I was,

570
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: this new person that I was hooking up with, and

571
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, yeah, he seems like super happy.

572
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: I'm really good friends with him and his partner and

573
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, they seem so happy or whatever. And

574
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: I think I was a little drunk and I was

575
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: I remember being like, you know, I have known blah

576
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: blah blah for a very long time, and I will

577
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: say like I don't think he's being true to his

578
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: partner or whatever. And I basically wanted a very small

579
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: seed that was just like I don't like this person

580
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: is kind of maybe cheating on your friend or whatever

581
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: with me, But like I didn't say that, but I

582
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: like and and then like I never saw that person again,

583
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: and like, I think we stopped talking up or whatever,

584
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it ever got back to

585
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: that person, but if it did, it's like years later.

586
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:32,239
Speaker 1: Revenge basically, you know what is part of all this?

587
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: Like living well, it's the best. Revenge is something that

588
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: I feel is very much a product of of knowing

589
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: that that is something that I am uh striving for.

590
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: Is when I go and look at who watches my

591
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: Instagram stories? Yeah, that it's like an intricate little like

592
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: vanity exercise, like or like I go and scroll through

593
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: my social media looking at it as if I am

594
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: a person who was looking at it from the outside

595
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: and trying to understand the story it tells. I do

596
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: think that social media, like by and large, is a

597
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: byproduct of that idea of wanting to, you know, stick

598
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: it to the people who have stuck it to you.

599
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: Try not to look at like my story views. But

600
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: I do often see my people that have sextually, you know,

601
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: ghosted me watching every story and I'm like, you can't

602
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: get enough. No, no, it's hot. You put on a

603
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: great show. I put on a great show, and that's appreciated.

604
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: And there's so much value in putting on a great show.

605
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: You know, entertainment has so much value people. It's really

606
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: vulnerable to put yourself out there and a lot of

607
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: people just can't do it. And like on topic, I

608
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: do have divorce energy, like I feel like a lot

609
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: of it. What does that mean to you? I think

610
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of like what I feel like,

611
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like a very like I don't need

612
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: a man, like I'm just a solo queen or ever,

613
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: kind of like Eartha Kit Tracy Ellis Ross. I actually

614
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 1: think you have second wife energy. I think you're more

615
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: of the Sarah Jessica Parker would love in the situation.

616
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: And I'm too smart to be a trophy wife though,

617
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: but I would love to be. Wait, I'm going to

618
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: stop you right there. Yeah you're like if you are,

619
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: you are that's that's hor phobic. It is okay call me.

620
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: You are not too smart to be a trophy wive.

621
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: I've learned so much from trophy wives. A lot of

622
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people I really care about love and

623
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: trust have taught me a lot about worthiness because I

624
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: think trophy wifery is just like full time sex work

625
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, it's one client, and like you can

626
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: agree or disagree, but like somebody's taking care of you

627
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: and paying for your life and you can get your

628
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: nails done and all that stuff or whatever it means

629
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: to you. But I think it's just kind of owning

630
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: the job. It's like, I'm not apologizing. It's kind of

631
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: sex work that is legitimized by our social structure, right

632
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: because you've got a man, so you're legit now. And

633
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: it's also super problematic, right because like now, like the

634
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: trophy wife exit strategy is kind of like what a

635
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: lot of strippers want, being like a wife in a

636
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: heterosexual relationship. Even sometimes, like I think a lot about

637
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: that that Paris is Burning clip where that girl is

638
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: like that there's a sex worker in Paris is Burning

639
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: and she's kind of giving a spield to the camera

640
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: and she's like, why is what I do like any

641
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: different than the wife who really wants that washer and

642
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: dryer and the man her husband doesn't want to give

643
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: it to her, but she's going to give him what

644
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: he wants that evening and so the next morning he

645
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: buys the washer and dry or like, why is that

646
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: any different than what I do. Like, I think a

647
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: lot about that. Clean clothes are amazing. Do you ever

648
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: watch Real Houseyes of Beverly Hills. I don't, Okay, So

649
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: that is trophy whiffery to the like nth degree. Not all,

650
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: not all of them, because a lot of them the

651
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: women are are the ones who are bringing the capital

652
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: to the relationship, as in First Wives Club, Because you know,

653
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: you have Goldie Hawn, who is this Oscar winning actress

654
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: who is the one who made her director husband's career.

655
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: You have Bette Midler who says like she's the one

656
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: who supported her husband until he became successful, and once

657
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: he gained success, that's when he left her. And then

658
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: Diane Keaton who like, you know, we don't really know

659
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: what her deal is, but like she has a very

660
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: nice apartment, so she's still sleeping with her anymore and

661
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: ends up buying his advertising agency. I think because she

662
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: maybe got out of the business to have their child.

663
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: That's maybe what we're supposed to understand is like she

664
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: let him be the one who focused on his career

665
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: while she focused on more domestic pursuits. So raising a

666
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: lesbian yeah, raising, oh my god, iconic this is, And

667
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of like where what this movie meant

668
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: to me and the ways that I experienced it as

669
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: a child, like definitely younger than I should have. I

670
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: think I probably saw it for the first time on HBO.

671
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: It was definitely on HBO a lot when I was

672
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: a kid, and I think, like the things that I

673
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: responded to were these fabulous women. I think also because

674
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: I was a child of divorce, there was something in

675
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: it that I like. It was like like calling to

676
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: like um and then also all the gay stuff um

677
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: of the gay as revenge. I feel like gay is revenge.

678
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: You know. This is like I still struggle with my

679
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: like identity sexually, not struggle. I don't struggle with it more,

680
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: but but it's my who I want to fuck right

681
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: is basically is sexuality to me. It's also a personal expression.

682
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: But it's always changing. Yeah, it's always like who, what

683
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: I'm attracted to, what I want to call in who

684
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: I think is intriguing. It's it's changing because I'm an

685
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: Aquarius and I get bored, so I like to change.

686
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: So what does that mean with my sexual identity. I

687
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: don't know, but like the whole like gay as as

688
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: a revenge like daddy, I'm a lesbian, a big one,

689
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: you know, like as to funk with him. Like part

690
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: of me was like, that's fucking amazing, and part of

691
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: me was like, wait what it's because it's yeah, that's

692
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: the worst possible thing this man could hear is that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

693
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: because if the yeah exactly, if the conflict is queerness,

694
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: like that is like right, it was a nineties movie,

695
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: and I still love the movie. Nothing's perfect. Things perfect,

696
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: There's plenty of things that aren't perfect about it, but

697
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: like it's very long, it's a little long. It's it's

698
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: a little long, is it. I loved every minute you

699
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: know what else is really long nine to five, which

700
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: is kind of in such a good movie. That's another

701
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: real I mean I enjoyed every minute of it. And

702
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: how they wrote that movie too, how it came together,

703
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: Like apparently I have I fan called really hard on

704
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 1: all of those actresses, right, so um, apparently they really

705
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: did all smoke pot and talk about the anses of

706
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: what they would do to their boss, and that's how

707
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: they wrote those scenes. No where, Yeah, I think they

708
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: were all smoking pot. Who is the Who's probably probably

709
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: with Jane Well they're all stone. Well, I think Lily

710
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: would be the one to bring it out, to bring

711
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: the weight. And apparently that was like a real they

712
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: really did interact and like have that moment, and that's

713
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 1: how they wrote it into the movie, which is how

714
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: I make my movies. Is I really just write what

715
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: really happened in real life. And then I hid and

716
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: Jane was like the engine that made that movie happen.

717
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: And I remember she brought in Lily because she was

718
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: because she was a lesbian. She was like Lily brings

719
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: that in factor. She know, she brings in a certain audience.

720
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: She's not your average woman, Like this is like perfect.

721
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: And then of course like she brought in Dolly. I

722
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: think they had already worked together or something, but like,

723
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: wasn't that Dolly's first acting person only still not only no,

724
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: no no, and she's no phenominal best little her house.

725
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: Yes she did. That's a good movie. Yeah yeah, um

726
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: I love also but yeah that that movie is so good.

727
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: And she I remember, didn't she like didn't Dolly write

728
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: the song? My she she didn't nails like like the

729
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: she I can do it right now? Yeah she did that,

730
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: she wrote it and she was like I got the

731
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: song idea and then she went up to Jane and

732
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: Lily it was like, what do you think? And she

733
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: sang it and did the rhythm with her nails and

734
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: they were like, they were like, it's a hit, yeah,

735
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: And it was. Honestly, it was the probably like an

736
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: imminent part of like what happens when you when a

737
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: song defines movie promotion or whatever, because that movie, that

738
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: song was everywhere along with the movie's promotion, and it

739
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: reminds me of like um Hold My Hand by Lady Gaga,

740
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: or I was going to say, um Survivor for Charlie's Angel.

741
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: Oh no, wait, was yea independent woman? Independent woman? Sorry?

742
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: Sorry sorry for that was like kind of the moment

743
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: Camerondi and Destiny. Yes, I also love that one. When

744
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: we when we emailed you and asked you about topics,

745
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: one of your alts was Coyote Ugly. Oh yeah, which

746
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: we got it. I would love to talk about Kyote

747
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: Ugly to me canonically, Kyoe Ugly. I don't know why

748
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 1: this is, but it's a Thanksgiving movie. I always watched

749
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: it on Thanksgiving and like, I don't know, there's just

750
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: something about it. But they're all sitting around the table

751
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: counting money together food movie about chosen family. It is

752
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: a movie about chosen family. That movie made me want

753
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: to be a stripper, hands down. Yeah. I mean it

754
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: was because remember that when tire Banks is like we

755
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: made three dollars tonight, and she had all this cash

756
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: and all these girls were sitting around the table. Romantic

757
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: plotline be gone, not that inc It was girls hanging

758
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: out together talking about money. And this is what I

759
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: like to do. I like to hang out with my girls,

760
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: and I like to talk about how we're going to

761
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: get money and that. And they all looked hot and

762
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: they were slutty, and I wanted all of those things.

763
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: And then some amazing music and she's an artist, she

764
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: becomes she does this job because she needs the gear

765
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: to make her music so that she can be songwriter.

766
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: Because being an artist costs money and time and time

767
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: to do it. So you take these jobs that are

768
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: higher paying so that you have the time and the

769
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: freedom to create your art. And I just saw her

770
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: doing that. I remember on her like Apple computer that

771
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: was like the new remember they came out and they

772
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: all had colors, and I was just like, I want

773
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: to be hanging out in my New York loft, like

774
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: making a bunch of cash and making art when she

775
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: gets robbed, and when she gets robbed, keeps the money

776
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: in the freezer and they find it. Yeah, but then

777
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 1: she rebuilds. Oh and also her best friend is played

778
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: by Melanie Lynskey, who who played those kinds of roles

779
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: for literally decades before. She's now getting her flowers and

780
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: yellow jackets. How when did you remember when you saw Okay,

781
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: Like how old you were or like I was probably like,

782
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: oh my god, well what year did it come out?

783
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: Two thousand? I turned fourteen. I was thirteen and fourteen,

784
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, like decade little did you know that?

785
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: Like a decade later or however long? It was literally

786
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: a decade later I became Mr bart three and like

787
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: and not just I mean like literally, like you are

788
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: sitting at home idolizing like strippers on Petty Ugly and

789
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: then like you know, years and years later j Lo

790
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: would be motor boating you and hustlers like truly, like

791
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,479
Speaker 1: that is the full it is a full circle moment. Yeah. Yeah,

792
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: when you walk differently after Jlo feels you up, I

793
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: have to. I mean, I don't know if you. I mean,

794
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: we can take it out if you don't want to

795
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 1: talk about it. I would love to know more about

796
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: like just being on Hustlers. I remember after the movie,

797
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: shortly after the movie came out, you wrote a really long,

798
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: super thoughtful, like kind of Instagram story post just about

799
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: the nuances of like that movie's relationship to like sex work,

800
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: and like your relationship to it. Like what was the

801
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: story of like being a part of that movie. It

802
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: was amazing. It was my big break. Literally, I got

803
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: an email around my birthday, from my thirty first birthday,

804
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: I think, uh, saying, hey, do you want an audition

805
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: for Hustlers starring Jennifer Lopez? And I was like, and

806
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: also every other stars yes. And I remember I think

807
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: I was driving or something, and I was like, I'm

808
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: going to be in that fucking movie. I just said it.

809
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to be in this fucking movie.

810
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: So I auditioned, and I meet Lorene Scafaria, the writer

811
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: and director who I really admire, who is a badass.

812
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: And I do the audition and then they offered me

813
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: the part and they're like, also, will you be the

814
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: intimacy coordinator? Yeah? Yeah, So I was like sure, we

815
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: called it stripper consultant, comfort consultant because there weren't sex scenes.

816
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: They weren't simulating sex, but like they needed help, you know,

817
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: making the stripper scenes real. And so I was there.

818
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: So j Low was like what would I say in

819
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 1: a situation like this? And like how would I move?

820
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: And like you know, what is this like? And like

821
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: what would I say to a guy in this? And

822
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: I just you know, she asked a lot of thoughtful

823
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: questions and she didn't need that much help. She's Jennifer

824
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: Lopez just called them all scum. Yeah. Well I was like,

825
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I told her. She was like,

826
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: what would I say if Usher walked in the club?

827
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, ask him his name? Yeah. The

828
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: movie that was The Couch, It's like what's your name?

829
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: Because that's what you have to do when there's somebody

830
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: who's big, you got to act like they're just a

831
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: regular person. And it was a great scene. It was

832
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: such a cool experience. I wouldn't have traded it for anything,

833
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, because it I wanted. I've always wanted to

834
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: be in movies and make movies, and that was my opportunity.

835
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: And that's a pretty good one. Do you think do

836
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: you think it's a really like fair and thoughtful depiction

837
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: of that industry, of the industry experience. I did not

838
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: scam a bunch of guys out of that much money.

839
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: But let me tell you, I wish I did. I

840
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: wish I did because I remember when that cut article

841
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: came out and I was working in the clubs in Manhattan,

842
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: and look, stripping in Manhattan is the hardest ship I've

843
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of hard things, but it's tough.

844
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: It is tough. I learned so much about myself. I

845
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: became so much stronger. But it's a really intense. It's

846
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 1: capitalism on steroids, right, It's like all of these people,

847
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: uh who work in New York and who can afford

848
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: New York City strip clubs, they're intense, intense. They want

849
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: your soul because they've sold theirs and they want yours,

850
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: you know. And I don't want to say all everyone,

851
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: but it's intense, and like, sometimes don't you just wish

852
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: they were fucking sleeping instead of trying to gnaw on

853
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: your nipples? Yeah, Like if I could give someone ketamine

854
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: to go have a nice nap instead of chewing on

855
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:38,959
Speaker 1: my tits, go to sleep, go to sleep sleep. Yeah.

856
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: So so, look like I know what, I love a

857
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: movie about women doing bad things because I am not

858
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: a good person. This is why why we love I mean,

859
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: they were like, you know, catech good. I feel they were.

860
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: They were good. I mean, honestly, I think it's just

861
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: kind of like owning that, like a we all have

862
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: shadow sides, we all do things, we all do bad things. Yeah,

863
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: for so long, we only got one of these movies,

864
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: like a decade um and in In I think, like

865
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: other versions of them, the women were always punished. And

866
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: that's one great thing about these films is that the

867
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: women aren't punished for doing bad things or forgetting what

868
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: they want. I think now we're to place in media

869
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: where stories that center women doing bad things, like we

870
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: there's like an embarrassment of riches. We have a lot

871
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: of them, and the women don't have to be punished

872
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: at the end of them. Let us, let let us

873
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: learn the lesson, let us take the lesson and keep going. Yeah,

874
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: and I've got a new movie about strippers coming out

875
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: in the fall. Are you allowed to talk about it? Yeah?

876
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: I sure am, Yeah, it's my movie. I can do

877
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: whatever I wrote, directed, executive produced, co directed, and started

878
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: my first film. It's called Tuesdays with Brian so excited.

879
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: I had a character that I did a lot on

880
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: Instagram a couple of years ago. So it stars Brian

881
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: played by me, and it's a guy going to a

882
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: strip club. It's just into regular Tuesday, all of those,

883
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: all of that just there's so much fodder in that.

884
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: And the whole cast and crew is predominantly people who

885
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: are familiar with the industry have worked in it, so

886
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: it's told by people who have done the work, and

887
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 1: it's funny, I honestly think. I mean, in the array

888
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: of like sex worker movies that I can think of,

889
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 1: I feel like I have yet to see one that

890
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: feels like sex workers had like I played a super

891
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: meaningful part and like what was be made outside of hustlers.

892
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: I also think like Zola, like Zola like that that

893
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: kind of ye. So the way they portrayed um sex

894
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: work as like I'm just trying to work, just trying

895
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: to get the money, and you have to deal with

896
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: all of that sex works of like I'm just trying

897
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: to get twenty People think that the dancing is what

898
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: you get paid for when you're a stripper, right that

899
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: it's like the twenty lap dance, Like I had to

900
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: spend ten minutes talking to this guy to convince him

901
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: to buy one. That's the work. The three and a

902
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: half minutes where I'm dancing is where I can just

903
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: kind of move my body and breathe and just tune

904
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: it out and just do my It is a lot

905
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,959
Speaker 1: of it is very anticlimactic, and so much of sex

906
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: work and my experience of it was waiting and just

907
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: kind of like getting ready being on call. Yeah, getting ready,

908
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: I mean ready is fun. Sometimes the waiting is not.

909
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: And then I always loved like the aftermath of like Okay,

910
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: now I'm going to order a burrito and just vibe.

911
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: It really helped me with valuing performance and art as

912
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: as work, because now as an artist, I treat my

913
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: creativity and my craft and my time and my body

914
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: with the same care, because it's really essential that I'm

915
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: in good health, that my hands work, that my voice works,

916
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: that my body is strong so that I can continue

917
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: to do the things that I need to do to

918
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: make a living. And that's really what stripping tommy and

919
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: that's how my performance as a comedian I know is

920
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: enhanced eight thousand times because of my work on stage

921
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: as a stripper and my ability to talk to people,

922
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: and most importantly, my comfort with asking for money, because

923
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: if you want to be an artist, you if you

924
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: want to fall in love with art, you have to

925
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: fall in love with asking for money all the time.

926
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: It's it's it's for I mean, it's I still ask

927
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: for money. Every single thing that I do to make

928
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: a living is eventually me asking for money. Yeah, occasionally,

929
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: occasionally people will offer me money, but it's very much

930
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: asking for it all the time. And um, it used

931
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: to be revengeful that, you know a man, Haiti. I

932
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: started stripping. I'm a survivor. I got into stripping and

933
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: I have really hated men, and I felt like that

934
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 1: was a place where I could take my power back

935
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: and get paid and be safe. And over many, many,

936
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: many years, I've sort of like healed parts of that.

937
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 1: And then money is a lot of things. It's sexy, Yeah,

938
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 1: it is sex. I love cash undeniably. I love them.

939
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: I love In First Wives Club, when Goldie Hahn takes

940
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: all of her ex husband's possessions and then sells them

941
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: at auction and gives him her cut of it, which

942
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: is yeah, whatever, Yes, the Lamborghini, the Liechtenstein, Yeah, that

943
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: Miller is so good, and that maybe she is Goldie

944
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: hand every day. That is literally I took that when

945
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: I the first time I got Fillers. I took that

946
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: photo with me and said, this is what I want.

947
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: I want. But she's in the chair and she's like more.

948
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: She is so Goldie. Hawn is one of the greats

949
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: of our lifetime, one of the greatest comedic actress is

950
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: And I think she is not thought of in that

951
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: way enough because I think, like because she is like

952
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: so beautiful and so glamorous, but she is a comedic genius.

953
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: We were actually just talking recently about I I just

954
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: saw a production of Into the Woods in New York,

955
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: the Steven Sonheim musical, and there was supposed to be

956
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: a movie version of it with her and Share and

957
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: Robin Williams. I'm so sad that we were robbed of that,

958
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: and I wish she was doing movies doing movies. Wasn't

959
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 1: the last movie she did? That movie with Amy Schumer.

960
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: My favorite of hers is The House Sitter. I've never

961
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: seen it. Oh my god, what is it about? Oh

962
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 1: my god? Steve Martin. Goldie Han is it's a squatting movie.

963
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: She starts squatting in Steve Martin's house and she's so

964
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: hot knit she wears her body suits in her jeans

965
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: and she's just like being amazing the premises. She meets

966
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: Steve Martin at a bar or something and she find

967
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: and he and he I don't know, and he has

968
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: like a beautiful house. He's an architect, but he's like

969
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: not living in it because I think he proposed to

970
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: his girlfriend and she was like it was such a

971
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: good scene. He builds this beautiful house for her and

972
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 1: he drives up in the converted to this beautiful house

973
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: and he's presenting the house and he's like, marry me

974
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: and this bitch I love her. She's like no. So

975
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: he's so bummed. Right, he goes drinking and he's like drawing,

976
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I really ate so much to so

977
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: many parts of this movie. He's like drawing on a

978
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: cocktail napkin the house and Goldie Han finds it, and

979
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: she finds the house and she just starts living in

980
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: it because no one's there, and she's pretending that she's

981
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: his new girlfriend, but he doesn't know because he's not there.

982
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: It's such a good movie. It's such an inspiration. And

983
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: three of them are like the are great, they're amazing actresses.

984
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: Yan Keene is an amazing way. She's still she really

985
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: has showed kind of how much she sucks. But that year,

986
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this is this anatirist is probably told to death.

987
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: But like Bet the fact that Bett used to like

988
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: singing like gay bath houses, Like did you know that

989
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: she used to like she like used to do before

990
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: she was like famous famous, Her agent will book her

991
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: for like three dollars to like sing songs at like

992
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: gay bathhouses where there was like you know, back when

993
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: like you know, gay sex was criminalized. This is where

994
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: they were the origin. I love it. I love the

995
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: money you get to do weird Ship because it's a

996
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: gig my idea. A gig is a gig and they

997
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: are not all great, but they're all great stories. Could

998
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: you imagine Bette Midler performing to a room full of

999
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: wi yes, yes, yes, I I'm sure there's plenty of

1000
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: gay men who still have sex while Bette Midler is

1001
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: in the room in some way or another. Well, in

1002
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: the Politician season two, there's so many different ways to

1003
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: put on a show and share a story and be

1004
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: a great entertainer. And these are the stories we talked

1005
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: about thirty years later. You can put on a show

1006
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: at your you know, women's shelter at the end of

1007
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: the opening while no one is there. Yes, because it

1008
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: just feels so good to do it. I'm just so

1009
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: happy that that film had the self awareness to put

1010
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: that scene at the end of them doing a number. Yeah,

1011
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: it's going to end in a dance finale. It has

1012
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: to end in the most celebratory way. Yes, I feel

1013
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: like that movie is now like a beloved like gay film.

1014
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: I think it's a beloved like lesbian film. I think

1015
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: a lot of trans people love this film. And I

1016
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: think that, like a lot of things that had mass

1017
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: appeal when it came out in the nineties, have like

1018
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: a cruden value to where we are now. And I

1019
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 1: think like revenge and like powerful women like getting that

1020
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: revenge to kind of suck the patriarchy. Like, it's amazing

1021
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: how much that message has like just become even more

1022
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: kind of resident also passes the back tol test because

1023
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: like they start off talking about their husbands and then

1024
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: the real drama becomes their relation chips with each other.

1025
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: You know, there's the scene where she throws the golden globe.

1026
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,439
Speaker 1: I think when they all fight and when Goldie Hans

1027
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: says one of her best lines ever, I have feelings.

1028
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: I'm an actress. I have, all of them have. And

1029
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: also you know, just like the the zane nous of it,

1030
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: when they're in the scaffold, the window washing thing, and

1031
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: it falls like that. They just don't make movies like

1032
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: this anymore. They don't, They literally don't. But we can't. Well,

1033
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna so I'm I'm moving into like much more

1034
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: serious filmmaking. So rest assured, I'm going to be making

1035
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: way more buddy comedies. All the rich people listening. If

1036
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: you want to finance Queer, Fast and the Furious, you

1037
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: can email me yes, because I want to make a

1038
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: car movie about bitches that Why does that not exist? Going?

1039
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: I'm making it, you're making it, That's why? Why don't

1040
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: tell me? That's right? Don't? We are all by the

1041
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: way virgins. If you if you're trying to picture us

1042
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: in your minds, we're all wearing white powers. So we

1043
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: just um and we are stomping away. What do y'all want?

1044
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: To see us discuss next because honestly, we have no

1045
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: idea we are really running load. It could be a book,

1046
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: a movie, a cultural phenomenon, a moment of celebrity, something

1047
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: that was just very specifically interesting to you as a

1048
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: baby queer or you know, siss het. If you are

1049
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: out there, Um, you can call us to confess at

1050
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,919
Speaker 1: three to three penance. That's three to three, seven three,

1051
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: six to six to three. But you can also leave

1052
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: suggestions as a review on Apple podcast, as an Instagram story,

1053
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: just like any way you want to reach us. You

1054
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: know there are middling degrees of success, and also tag

1055
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: our earner Instagram account at like a virgin for which

1056
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: is probably the best way to get to us. Yes,

1057
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: we do check the d m s. We do not

1058
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: always respond to them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if we're yeah, I don't know if we're always You're trying,

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Speaker 1: but we will see. Um. I'm your co host fran Toronto.

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