WEBVTT - Part One: Fábricas Ocupadas: When Workers In Argentina Took Over Their Factories

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<v Speaker 1>Fol Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, this is a special message from me, Margaret. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not an ad message. It's just not related to what

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about today on the podcast. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm recording this separately. I'm recording this separately because on

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<v Speaker 2>June tenth, twenty twenty four, Leonard Peltier is going to

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<v Speaker 2>have a parole hearing and I want to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the guests that we have a lot on

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast, but also just like cool Zone Media podcasts

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<v Speaker 2>in general, is my friend Moira Meltzer Cohen, who is

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<v Speaker 2>a lawyer, a defense lawyer who is on Leonard Peltier's

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<v Speaker 2>court case. And Moira asked us to read this statement,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just want to say I co sign this statement.

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<v Speaker 2>I've done a lot of research about Leonard Peltier for

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast and also on my own as an activist.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the first protests I ever went to were

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<v Speaker 2>related to free Leonard Peltier.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is the statement.

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<v Speaker 2>On June tenth, twenty twenty four, Leonard Peltier enrolled member

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<v Speaker 2>of the Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa of Lakota and

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<v Speaker 2>Ajibo Ancestry and the longest serving political prisoner in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, will be appearing before the US Parole Commission

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time since two thousand nine. He faces

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<v Speaker 2>staunch opposition from the FBI and other law enforcement due

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<v Speaker 2>to having allegedly killed two FBI agents in a firefight

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<v Speaker 2>on June twenty six, nineteen seventy five, after the agents

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<v Speaker 2>appeared on reservation land to execute a pretextual warrant. The

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<v Speaker 2>initial firefight occurred during the quote reign of terror on

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<v Speaker 2>Pine Ridge in the wake of the occupation of Wounded Knee,

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<v Speaker 2>a time of extreme violence when federal law enforcement installed

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<v Speaker 2>a puppet tribal chair and was arming vigilantes who targeted

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<v Speaker 2>Indigenous traditionalists. Everything leading up to these events, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as the subsequent investigation and mister Peltier's extradition, trial, conviction,

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<v Speaker 2>and sentencing, were characterized by gross misconduct on the part

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<v Speaker 2>of law enforcement, the prosecution, and the courts. Mister Peltier's

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<v Speaker 2>co defendants were separately tried and acquitted on grounds of

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<v Speaker 2>self defense. Mister Peltier was railroaded, and his case is

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<v Speaker 2>tainted by discrimination at every level, ranging from the withholding

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<v Speaker 2>of exculpatory evidence to the torture and coercion of extradition

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<v Speaker 2>and trial witnesses, and from the refusal of the trial

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<v Speaker 2>judge to dismiss in avowedly racist juror, to the apologetic

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<v Speaker 2>gymnastics of courts affirming his conviction in the face of

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<v Speaker 2>meritorious legal challenges and admitted evidence of outrageous government misdeeds.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Peltier has been in prison for more than forty

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<v Speaker 2>eight years and is almost eighty years old. He suffers

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<v Speaker 2>from chronic and potentially lethal conditions for which he receives

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<v Speaker 2>insufficient and sub standard medical care. If you want to

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<v Speaker 2>take action to free Leonard Peltier, you can call the U.

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<v Speaker 2>S Parole Commission at two zero two three four six

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<v Speaker 2>seven thousand. Again that's two zero two three four six

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<v Speaker 2>seven thousand. Or you can sign the petition. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is a string of This is a U R L

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm going to read it out. N d n

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<v Speaker 2>c O dot C C slash us PC dash free

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<v Speaker 2>Leonard Peltier. Again, that's n D n c O dot

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<v Speaker 2>C C slash us PC dash free Leonard Peltier. Leonard

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<v Speaker 2>Peltier is spelled l E O N A R D

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<v Speaker 2>P E L t I E R or you can

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<v Speaker 2>follow Indian Collective on social media, which is n d

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<v Speaker 2>N Collective. For more information on Leonard Peltier, Listen to

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<v Speaker 2>Margaret's podcast on the Low Coda Nation. Oh thanks Moira,

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<v Speaker 2>and read in the Spirit of Crazy Horse by Peter Matheson.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, just want to reiterate, I go sign all

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<v Speaker 2>of this. I've done a lot of my own search

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<v Speaker 2>into this. You can and should too, and free Leonard Peltier, Magpie.

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<v Speaker 4>Please tell these people, why will a mess the day

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<v Speaker 4>this is happening?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because today on today is cool people did cool stuff. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Is there anything that's happened well, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>today is a podcast about history and about cool people

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<v Speaker 2>in history. And today my guess is prop and prop.

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<v Speaker 2>You run a podcast called hood Politics with Props, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I use that when I want to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>what the fuck is going on in current events. As

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<v Speaker 2>far as I can tell, there's no current events happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, right now, right, well, like not in the

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<v Speaker 2>last fifteen minutes, the last.

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<v Speaker 4>Fifteen minutes that completely derailed baits. Listen. Our mamas used

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<v Speaker 4>to always tell us, baby, your arms is too short

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<v Speaker 4>to box with God, and you just what we just

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<v Speaker 4>watched it happen right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, we are recording this on the day that Trump

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<v Speaker 2>was found guilty on thirty four fellon account for.

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<v Speaker 4>Unanimously, unanimously airy body Jerry Yo Peers bigged out.

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<v Speaker 1>I just really don't know if I can be a

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<v Speaker 1>professional today, Magpie.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be hard, it's gonna be very And it's

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<v Speaker 2>funny because the news cycle. I mean, y'all are going

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<v Speaker 2>to hear this four days from now. Yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>but four days from now is an infinite We could

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<v Speaker 2>have had a coup between now and then.

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<v Speaker 4>Who knows, you could have went to jail, broke out right.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just it's just like the January sixth.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I was trying to like do the oh man,

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<v Speaker 5>it's so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was trying to do like the all right, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is America, be rational, nothing nothing good could

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<v Speaker 1>come of this. But the thing that I was thinking about,

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<v Speaker 1>as he is a resident of the state of Florida,

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<v Speaker 1>is that maybe, uh you know, voters rights could get

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<v Speaker 1>changed there.

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<v Speaker 4>So they actually did get changed, and just remembered, yeah

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<v Speaker 4>they did. Last the good thing last ballot, they said

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<v Speaker 4>the felons can vote. So yeah, well once they're once

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<v Speaker 4>they're out, not once they're done. Yeah yeah, yeah, once

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<v Speaker 4>they're out.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, is maybe voters' rights could uh once again get

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<v Speaker 1>get amended.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's so crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to be a professional. I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 5>a professional.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm mostly thinking about how four days from now we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have so much more information, but you all can

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<v Speaker 2>see the unfiltered Yeah right now, three people who two

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<v Speaker 2>people who pay attention to curn events for a living,

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<v Speaker 2>and one person who reads history books for a living

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<v Speaker 2>like this.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just so it's like as knowing to tie it

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<v Speaker 4>all together, knowing we're witnessing history, knowing for a fact

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<v Speaker 4>this is for until you know, the the heat dome

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<v Speaker 4>rises and climate change finally takes us out. This is

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<v Speaker 4>this will go down in history.

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<v Speaker 1>So so to the Secret Service folks that are protecting

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<v Speaker 1>him at his home.

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<v Speaker 5>Are they legally allowed to have guns?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Shit.

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<v Speaker 4>They got to go to jail.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they sit outside the jail if he got like

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<v Speaker 1>sid First of all, he's not going to go the

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<v Speaker 1>second of all, his jail would be like a room

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<v Speaker 1>at mar A Lago, because.

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<v Speaker 5>That's how fucked up this country is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just excited for Waco too.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, we'll tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>About how got followed at Waco.

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<v Speaker 5>No, but I would love to hear that I went.

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<v Speaker 2>I went on a trip recently across the country and

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<v Speaker 2>the person I was traveling with was like, we gotta

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<v Speaker 2>go see the Waco compound. And I was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure I agree with you. We were not to

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<v Speaker 2>have to go see the Waco compound. And so we

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<v Speaker 2>drove by it and it's on this like gravel road

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<v Speaker 2>and we got followed for like fifteen miles by a

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<v Speaker 2>sports car for having driven by it on the gravel road.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, sports car, it's pretty random.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And it like it turned around on the road

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<v Speaker 2>to follow us. It was pretty like even it was

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<v Speaker 2>just like, oh, there's someone behind us. It was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I see why, even though this is a public road, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I see why. They don't want I get it. I

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<v Speaker 2>even I was like, I'm in my fucking I refer

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<v Speaker 2>to my pickup truck as my Chud truck because it

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<v Speaker 2>looks like a Chud drives it because I got a

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<v Speaker 2>giant Tundra, and I'm like, oh, I'm safe I totally me.

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<v Speaker 4>I like this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Anyways, you go to the near future. So

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<v Speaker 2>today I even went more recent than usual. Today, today

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about the time when in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and one. See, it's even in this millennium, after

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<v Speaker 2>bankers and predatory international loan funds gutted their economy, thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of working class folks in Urina took over hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>abandoned factories, got those factories running again, and found work

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<v Speaker 2>with dignity and no bosses.

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<v Speaker 4>Would you say that the government was behaving very messy?

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that there's even going to be politicians

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<v Speaker 2>who get convicted and don't serve time in this great.

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<v Speaker 4>I was making a Lionel Messi joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, it went over my head.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, do you even know who Lionel Messi is? Magpie?

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<v Speaker 4>No? All right, yeah, on the level of Pele as

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<v Speaker 4>far as.

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<v Speaker 5>Like Great is either.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 4>If you've heard of the game soccer, yeah, do you

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<v Speaker 4>know that it's internationally loved as like the.

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<v Speaker 2>Beautiful I genuinely like soccer, and I've watched the World

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<v Speaker 2>Cup at least once. Whenever I'm not in the US,

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<v Speaker 2>people are like it's way better in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's way better outside anyway, Lionel Messi, it was

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<v Speaker 4>Messi Argentina.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, okay, no, no, no, this is good.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm glad you could borrow that later.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, all right. So one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>things to do on this show is draw wild conclusions

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<v Speaker 2>and connections by draping red string all over my wall, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>or talk about strange chains of dominoes. And today I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to tell you that the reason I have a wall,

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<v Speaker 2>and that I'm recording this from inside a house that

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<v Speaker 2>I live in, a house that I bought, is because

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<v Speaker 2>of those workers from Argentina.

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<v Speaker 4>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>When workers started taking over their factories, it inspired people

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<v Speaker 2>from all over the world. A few of the people

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<v Speaker 2>from the global North, like the author and filmmaker Naomi Klein,

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<v Speaker 2>who alongside with her husband, went and made a documentary

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<v Speaker 2>about the struggle called The Take. Some finance people from

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<v Speaker 2>the US took note of that documentary, including a guy

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<v Speaker 2>named Brendan Martin, who moved Argentina to figure out how

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<v Speaker 2>to help finance this cooperative revolution in a non extractive way.

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<v Speaker 2>While he was there, he learned about what's called non

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<v Speaker 2>extractive finance, which is a way of loaning money to

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<v Speaker 2>cooperatives that doesn't extract value from them, but is still

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<v Speaker 2>a sustainable form of finance. Don't worry, there's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>burning tires and shit later in this story. I know

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<v Speaker 2>I'm starting with finance.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>He came home, This guy, Brendon Martin. He comes home

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<v Speaker 2>from Argentina a couple years later, and with what he learned,

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<v Speaker 2>he starts a worker cooperative finance organization called the Working World. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>in proper cooperative form. They soon federated with a shitload

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<v Speaker 2>of nonprofit loan funds to finance worker cooperatives and spread

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<v Speaker 2>this model that came from Argentina. That federation is called

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<v Speaker 2>Seed Commons. I worked for Seed Commons for two years,

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<v Speaker 2>and it turns out that a modest nonprofit salary is

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<v Speaker 2>enough to buy a house if you are shopping in

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<v Speaker 2>West Virginia.

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<v Speaker 4>Got it okay, because I was like, my wife works

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<v Speaker 4>for a nonprofit.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, no, I

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<v Speaker 2>have a very nice house for you know, I've been

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<v Speaker 2>live in West Virginia though, so it's affordable. And I

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<v Speaker 2>got to confuse my family by showing up as like

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<v Speaker 2>the anarchist bad daughter, you know, yeah, and be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I got a job in finance.

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<v Speaker 4>You are quite a pickle for that family or yours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so funny dominoes. Some seamstresses took over their factory,

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<v Speaker 2>and now I no longer live in a twelve by

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<v Speaker 2>twelve cabin in the woods. We're going to start our

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<v Speaker 2>context with one of my least favorite things, and one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that people don't know what the word

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<v Speaker 2>means is they use it wrong all the time, including,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not mad at them, the word neoliberalism. Oh yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's fucking messy.

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<v Speaker 4>It's messy. That's I'm glad you're bringing this up because

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<v Speaker 4>like for the next couple of shows, like I have

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<v Speaker 4>to actually get in and explain what it means. So

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<v Speaker 4>I'm glad you're doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, No, it's because I all the time I

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<v Speaker 2>hear people basically be like, oh, liberalism, it's neoliberally they

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<v Speaker 2>conflate them there, misfortunately. Yeah. One of the most confusing

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<v Speaker 2>and annoying things about language and politics is the same

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<v Speaker 2>word means different things in different contexts. An Irish Republican

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<v Speaker 2>has nothing nice to say to an American Republican. If

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<v Speaker 2>you ever want to be entertained, look at the comments

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<v Speaker 2>on like Irish Republican Army songs on YouTube, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>all these Americans being like, yeah, we love Republicanism, and

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<v Speaker 2>then Irish people being like, we would murder you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah that is I don't think. Yeah, we are not

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<v Speaker 4>the socialists.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, Republican means opposite things between those two countries

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of the world. Libertarian is used by

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<v Speaker 2>anti authoritarian socialists to distinguish themselves from authoritarian socialists. In

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<v Speaker 2>the US, it means that you believe in private property

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<v Speaker 2>above everything else and don't give a shit about people. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>liberalism is one of these words. Classically, liberalism was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I like capitalism and I don't like kings, so privilege

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<v Speaker 2>should rest not in the hands of the aristocracy but

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<v Speaker 2>in the hands of the business owners.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>For an awfully long time, liberalism has now instead meant

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<v Speaker 2>vaguely center left politics.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like most people who are hearing this, If

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<v Speaker 2>you like yourself as a liberal, or you complain about liberals,

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<v Speaker 2>you're imagining people who follow the Democrats party line. Biden

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<v Speaker 2>is a liberal, you know, believing in more rights for

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<v Speaker 2>marginalized people, a state that you'll look after people who

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<v Speaker 2>can't work, but not too extreme.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, any of them that like that would what we

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<v Speaker 4>would call bare minimum, Like it's just this is.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a monster, Yeah, exactly, Like just enough to

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<v Speaker 2>make it so that people fewer people feel justified in

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<v Speaker 2>violent revolution. Yes, liberalism is to the right of progressives

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<v Speaker 2>in US politics who start tying a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>class politics into it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the late nineties, a new word started floating around, neoliberalism,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was confusing as shit to people because neoliberalism,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it basically means the old liberalism again, but

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<v Speaker 2>not liberals like we understand them today, but free market capitalism.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Neoliberalism stands for shutting down all government protections for the

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<v Speaker 2>environment and for workers. It stands for selling off public

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<v Speaker 2>infrastructure to private companies, often to international companies, and free

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<v Speaker 2>trade agreements that I think very negatively of and tend

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<v Speaker 2>to well we'll talk about their effects.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah, this episode the scuttle bucket around like the

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<v Speaker 4>policy wonks is like, I think it's they're kind of like,

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<v Speaker 4>it's time to admit that neoliberalism failed. Yeah, it did.

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<v Speaker 4>Not give us the promises, the NAFTA free trade aught

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<v Speaker 4>at just the Clinton of it all, the boy Clinton

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<v Speaker 4>of it all. That's neoliberal. It's like, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>if we will bring China, will make China modern, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we'll just like, you know, instead of just having a factory,

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<v Speaker 4>have factories all over the world, and you know, we'll

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<v Speaker 4>just trade, you know, and then everybody wins, right, like

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you know, we're all making money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, And like you said, like eventually even

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<v Speaker 2>the realization that it didn't work trickled up.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my trickle down econot.

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<v Speaker 4>It's good. It trickled down.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, people eventually realized that this didn't work. It took well,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about what it took. By the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the twentieth century, neoliberalism has swept across the globe for

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<v Speaker 2>the rich and powerful. It swept across the globe like

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<v Speaker 2>a trend. This is cool, We're excited for the downtrodden.

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<v Speaker 2>It swept across the globe like a plague and destroyed

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<v Speaker 2>economies and collapsed economies everywhere. It went through a series

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<v Speaker 2>of predatory loans. Groups like the IMF the International Monetary

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<v Speaker 2>Fund managed to start the process of extracting more and

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<v Speaker 2>more value out of developing nations. Okay, I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 2>curious because like when I used to try and explain

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<v Speaker 2>the IMF to people, the main people that you would

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<v Speaker 2>talk about is like bail bonds, like predatory loans, like

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<v Speaker 2>pay payday loans, these things that show up and fuck.

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<v Speaker 3>Over environments everywhere they go.

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<v Speaker 2>What you I'm curious what you're the thing you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about with neoliberalism.

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<v Speaker 4>As Yeah, so I'm trying to talk about what does

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<v Speaker 4>it mean to be a world power? And if you

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<v Speaker 4>are a world power and fail, what does that mean? Right? So,

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<v Speaker 4>and like what does it mean to have a collapsed government?

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<v Speaker 4>Like so, so that's what I'm talking about, like you know, essentially,

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<v Speaker 4>like all right, so you know, whether it's like rust Bell,

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<v Speaker 4>it's basically it's like I'm trying to explain voters like

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<v Speaker 4>in what we're working about. Like so, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the center of American economy was the car until it wasn't,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, And kind of when it wasn't,

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<v Speaker 4>really dovetails well with the birth of neoliberalism because the

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<v Speaker 4>stuff went international. So ultimately it's like if you're going

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<v Speaker 4>to be mad at immigrants for taking your job, it's like,

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<v Speaker 4>well this isn't really not really a new thing, and

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<v Speaker 4>like you mad at the wrong people and just kind

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<v Speaker 4>of understanding what it like the supply chain, the goal,

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<v Speaker 4>the goal of finance is, you know, the most amount

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<v Speaker 4>of money for the least amount of work. And then ultimately,

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<v Speaker 4>so I'm kind of going through all that and then

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to land in the Congo to talk about

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<v Speaker 4>the the cobalt things right there, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>So ultimately that's what. Yeah, but it's like a I

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<v Speaker 4>have to get through neoliberalism to even understand this because

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<v Speaker 4>it's like it's not it's there's a lot going on there.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, that's kind of what I'm using.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, I mean, I mean, honestly, this is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons I like your show. I think you

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<v Speaker 2>do a lot of work showing context and then yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, thank you, Like I'm going to need

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<v Speaker 2>that because it's like I keep hearing about what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on in the Congo and I haven't like really dived

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<v Speaker 2>into it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, and like really it's like

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<v Speaker 4>it's I mean the thing is like, it would probably

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<v Speaker 4>have got there anyway, like, because you know, the the

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<v Speaker 4>global North is propped up by the global South and

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<v Speaker 4>just has been for centuries, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>So eventually, whether it was nafter or neoliberalism or not,

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<v Speaker 4>we were going to end up there. But the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that it's so exploitative I'm putting on at the feet

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<v Speaker 4>of neoliberalism.

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<v Speaker 2>No, totally. It's yeah, it's the some of the same

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<v Speaker 2>stuff as regular capitalism, just like turned up to eleven.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So, as neoliberalism started to cross the globe, a powerful

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<v Speaker 2>global movement rose up to fight it, which at the

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<v Speaker 2>time was called the anti globalization movement. In retrospect, we

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<v Speaker 2>tend to call it the alter globalization movement because we

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to sound like a bunch of anti Semitic assholes,

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<v Speaker 2>and also we don't want to sound like nationalists.

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<v Speaker 4>Or Alex Jones. Yeah, I want to be all Alex Jones.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And one I'm gonna cover that in

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<v Speaker 2>more detail, that movement. But that movement didn't smash capitalism,

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<v Speaker 2>but it it won. It absolutely broke the neoliberal consensus.

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<v Speaker 2>It showed enough people that this is not what people

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<v Speaker 2>actually want, and that they exposed the lives of neoliberalism

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<v Speaker 2>enough that it eventually trickled up to the halls of power,

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<v Speaker 2>and like the expansion of free trade agreements across the

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<v Speaker 2>world is something that had stopped. I didn't know that

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<v Speaker 2>until years after the movement had collapsed. I basically was

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<v Speaker 2>like I wasted so much in my fucking life, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I got all this PTSD fighting cops and shit, and

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't accomplish shit. Every you know, FTAA still existed,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't shut them down, blah blah blah. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I read this essay by David Graeber called The Shock

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<v Speaker 2>of Victory that I'm not going to get into too much,

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<v Speaker 2>but it basically was like, here's what we were trying

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<v Speaker 2>to do. It basically was like people suck at gaining

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<v Speaker 2>their immediate and their long term goals, but you can

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<v Speaker 2>also often activist movements gain their middle goals. Our immediate

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<v Speaker 2>goal was like end the FTAA, yeah right, And our

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<v Speaker 2>medium term goal was like crush neoliberalists consensus, and our

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<v Speaker 2>long term goal was like smash capitalism and have a

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<v Speaker 2>society of like free association or whatever. And we failed

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<v Speaker 2>at two of the three. But we accomplished a middle work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and I I felt way better, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>pre rad. So this is a wildly internationalist movement. There

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<v Speaker 2>were coordinated demonstrations happening all over the globe, from Italy

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<v Speaker 2>to India to the US. People fought these extractive policies.

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<v Speaker 2>At least two people I know about died in this fight,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to shout them out. In two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and one, an Italian anarchist named Carlo Giuliani was shot

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<v Speaker 2>dead by a cop in Genoa at a protest while

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<v Speaker 2>he was wielding a fire extinguisher. Carlo was twenty three

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<v Speaker 2>years old and he was a history student, a punk,

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<v Speaker 2>and a petty criminal. May he rest in peace, just

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<v Speaker 2>to show this also shows the variety of people who

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<v Speaker 2>were in the streets together and coordinating together. The other

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<v Speaker 2>person that I know about who died in this In

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and three, a fifty six year old cattle

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<v Speaker 2>farmer from South Korea named Lee Kyong Hey traveled to Cancun,

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<v Speaker 2>Mexico to participate in the protest against the World Trade Organization.

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<v Speaker 2>He held a sign that read wto kills farmers, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he scaled a fence a top the fence, he

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<v Speaker 2>faced the media cameras, and he killed himself with a

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<v Speaker 2>pen knife.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the president of the Korean Federation of Small Farmers.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>He had seen farmer after farmer take their own life

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<v Speaker 2>because in South Korea so many people were dying from

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<v Speaker 2>the poverty caused by.

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<v Speaker 3>The World Trade Organization.

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<v Speaker 2>They may he also rest in peace, And that's the

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<v Speaker 2>movement I got into politics through.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow. I just learned a lot about you right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm a little moved, like wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, Yeah, yeah, No.

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<v Speaker 2>I dropped out of college and went to every protest

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<v Speaker 2>I could and tried to organize things, and you know it,

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<v Speaker 2>I acted like it was my full time job and

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot of PTSD but also accomplished some stuff

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<v Speaker 2>and amazing. Around the turn of the millennia, neoliberalism was

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<v Speaker 2>just fucking gutting the world. I read a statement about

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<v Speaker 2>it recently that was like, people talk about it as

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<v Speaker 2>if there was winning countries and losing countries in globalization,

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<v Speaker 2>but they were actually the only winners were multinational corporations. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you want to be a winner, you can

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<v Speaker 2>use our ads, I'm sure, one of which is gambling.

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<v Speaker 2>If you do the thing, the ad says you'll win,

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<v Speaker 2>always correct. That's the promise we make here, cools and media.

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<v Speaker 2>It's legally binding, right, Sophie. Sophie's nodding, Oh no, shaking. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah no, sorry, I got those confused for a second.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the ads and we're back. So now Argentina. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>wait ah.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait, before you do Argentina, I think like, first of all,

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<v Speaker 4>if you're a cool Zone media listener, you probably understand

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<v Speaker 4>how these dots work. But like, I'm gonna plain all

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<v Speaker 4>this anyway on my show. But like the the a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of times the question is like but how like

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<v Speaker 4>how is And a good example I would give is like, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>so say, for example, I'm use something light and then heavier,

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<v Speaker 4>So like remember Tom's shoes. I was like a you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a whole like thing where it's like, oh, you buy

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<v Speaker 4>a pair of these, like you know, denim slippers, and

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<v Speaker 4>then we'll send a pair to Africa. You know, so

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<v Speaker 4>it's like, oh, yeah, buy one and then we give one. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>Well you're saying that is as if there's no shoemakers

0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:06.880
<v Speaker 4>in Africa. So so when y'all do this, it's cool.

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:08.879
<v Speaker 4>You feel better about it. But you just you just

0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:11.880
<v Speaker 4>put a shoemaker out of business right now, because everybody

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:15.320
<v Speaker 4>getting free shoes, right, So even even if they don't

0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:17.560
<v Speaker 4>like them, you just flooded the market. So that's one way.

0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:21.160
<v Speaker 4>Now you now scale that and say if you're if

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:25.760
<v Speaker 4>you're growing wheat, and you know outside of Kenosha, Wisconsin, right,

0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 4>you're next to a farm you know, also growing wheat.

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:34.120
<v Speaker 4>But but they got like seventy nine hectores owned by Walmart, right,

0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:37.280
<v Speaker 4>So that means that in they're and they're getting their

0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:41.800
<v Speaker 4>machines from China, they're getting their seeds from Mexico. They're

0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:45.560
<v Speaker 4>getting there so they have the first of all, the

0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:49.639
<v Speaker 4>connection the clients, the and and are just able to

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:53.840
<v Speaker 4>do things at a scale that are completely impossible for

0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 4>anyone to compete with. And and you have entire countries

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 4>in entire government desiring for this to work. So you

0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:06.520
<v Speaker 4>just it's like there's no competition, like there's just there's

0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 4>nothing you can do except for sell your land to

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:14.960
<v Speaker 4>that corporation. And so then so essentially what we're saying

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.639
<v Speaker 4>is like from the government perspective, it is like, what

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 4>are you talking about? This is dope, man, all the

0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:23.120
<v Speaker 4>costs go down. Everybody's happy. We're connected world. It's one country,

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:25.800
<v Speaker 4>this is one world, like and it's truly, we truly

0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:27.680
<v Speaker 4>are sharing this one rock. You know what I'm saying,

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:33.000
<v Speaker 4>it spinning through space. But in a way that says, oh,

0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:36.640
<v Speaker 4>but but but this is better for everybody, But it's not.

0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:40.200
<v Speaker 4>It's better for y'all. Yeah, it's not better for your

0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 4>neighbor who now like used to have could be able

0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 4>to grow wheat and then sell it like that is

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:48.359
<v Speaker 4>now impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>No, totally. And this, yeah, the the buy one give

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:57.000
<v Speaker 2>one to Africa plan is like such a perfect example

0:26:57.000 --> 0:26:59.439
<v Speaker 2>of a false solution to this kind of thing. And

0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:06.159
<v Speaker 2>like what actually enriches areas is to bolster instead of

0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 2>gut their economies, you know, and like going in and

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:14.160
<v Speaker 2>saying like how do we foster small businesses? In my mind,

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:17.359
<v Speaker 2>especially cooperatives, but like how do you actually like what?

0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:19.399
<v Speaker 2>And you know, and this is the era that you

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 2>get the fair trap from, right, you get this response

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:25.360
<v Speaker 2>to it being like, well, how do we make sure

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 2>that the coffee growers we're getting a coffee from aren't

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:29.680
<v Speaker 2>fucked over by the fact that we drink coffee because

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:32.280
<v Speaker 2>we're not going to stop drinking coffee, you know, and

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:35.120
<v Speaker 2>we're not going to start growing it in the US.

0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 4>Yes, not possible at scale unless climate changes, which it

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:42.879
<v Speaker 4>might eventually. Yeah, yeah, but right now we can't anyway,

0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 4>you're correct.

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Okay, So in Argentina, we did an episode a

0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 2>couple months back about a rebellion in Patagonia's huge wave

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 2>of strikes across rural Argentina in the early nineteen twenties.

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:55.680
<v Speaker 2>If you ever want to hear me do early Argentina context,

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:57.159
<v Speaker 2>listen to that one. I'm not going to go over

0:27:57.200 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 2>it all again. Then the stuff that Argentina's most famous

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 2>for that I know the least about, happened like decades

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:07.600
<v Speaker 2>of various dictatorships. One day we'll probably talk more about

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 2>the people who fought against that, But it's not what

0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Argentine has been famous for in my circles. Instead, it

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:15.080
<v Speaker 2>is famous for what we're going to talk about today,

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 2>an incredible bottom up labor movement. At the turn of

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 2>the twenty first century, Argentina proved the neoliberal order wrong

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 2>and showed the cracks in the IMF and the World Bank,

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:29.880
<v Speaker 2>and specifically and concretely, a fuck load of workers took

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.680
<v Speaker 2>over their factories and ran them more efficiently than they

0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:34.040
<v Speaker 2>were under bosses.

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:34.880
<v Speaker 4>Amazing.

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 2>It's worth understanding that Argentinian politics in the twenty century

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 2>they don't map very well to most other countries politics.

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 2>For years, you have Perhonism, which is like right wing

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 2>and authoritarian, but complicatedly so it was sort of a

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 2>right meets left. It gets called centrist, but it's like

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 2>way more horseshoe theory than that. It's like way more both. Okay,

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:02.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, like Biden is a centrist, this man is

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 2>the inversion of that, all right. Paranism is the ideology

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:08.480
<v Speaker 2>that ruled for a lot of this time after a

0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 2>guy named Peron, who took power after a coup nineteen

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 2>forty three. It is fiercely nationalistic. It is anti communist,

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 2>It is pro corporatist, but it's nationalism. Embraces ethnic diversity

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 2>and believes in building a strong local economy and keeping

0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 2>foreign companies from stripping the economy.

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, yeah, keive them money local.

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 2>And believes in keeping class stratification to a minimum. There

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 2>was a more proper dictatorship later, which was further right

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 2>wing and anti pirnist, and I don't understand that show

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 2>well enough to tell you about it. None of these

0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 2>tendencies that existed throughout the twentieth century were anything like neoliberalism.

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Neoliberalism is a different kind of conservativism. It's one that

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 2>sells the country to the highest bidder. Yeah, but paronism

0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:56.480
<v Speaker 2>was a really popular stance for politicians to take. In

0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty nine, this guy, Carlos Menim was voted into

0:29:59.880 --> 0:30:04.400
<v Speaker 2>all office as a peronist. He immediately dropped the peronism.

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Politicians famously don't actually care about the values that are

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 2>embedded into labels. They care about what they can get

0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 2>out of those labels. Correct, he was a neoliberalist.

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 5>Fuck.

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 2>He was also corrupt as fuck. He eventually was sentenced

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 2>for arms trafficking and embezzlement, but he was like a

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:23.880
<v Speaker 2>politician still at that point, so he had immunity from

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 2>actually going to jail, and he never went to jail,

0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 2>which is totally unrelated to oh, we successfully stopped thinking

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:30.280
<v Speaker 2>about today.

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:35.280
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I was actually transfigurated into another place and

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 4>then it was like, oh, yeah, no, never mind.

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, still Earth, nothing changes, still Earth. Yeah, Although what's

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 2>interesting about actually Argentina collapsing, specifically Argentina, despite being like

0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 2>a globally south country, both in terms of physically and

0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 2>also like seeing as part of the developing world in

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 2>a lot of contexts, was like by a lot of

0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 2>other contexts, it was like an up and coming economy

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:01.280
<v Speaker 2>like Canada or Australia.

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:03.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's quite a comfortable place to be with the

0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:07.800
<v Speaker 4>incredibly beautiful humans Argentina.

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, everything I read about Argentina, I'm like, I

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:10.760
<v Speaker 2>want to go to Argentina.

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 3>That sounds amazing.

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty rat I mean there's yeah, there's certain places

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 2>and times that I don't want to be there because

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 2>I get killed.

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 4>But most of the time, yeah, I mean the colorism

0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 4>runs incredibly deep culturally. Like I don't know a lot

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:24.360
<v Speaker 4>about the politics. I just know like of like the

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:27.920
<v Speaker 4>Latin countries, they're very they're they're a little more fair

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 4>skin than the rest of them, and they take a

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 4>lot of pride in that.

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 3>But that doesn't surprise me.

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but they are.

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 2>During economic collapse. Yeah, they're in the economic collaps We're

0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 2>going to talk about a lot of the other countries,

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:49.240
<v Speaker 2>including like Uruguay, which is right next time we're like, yeah,

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:50.960
<v Speaker 2>fuck you, you had it coming. You thought you were better

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:51.200
<v Speaker 2>than us.

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, basically, yeah, because you think you better in all

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 4>of this.

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Basically, it's like they thought you were white. You thought

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:58.160
<v Speaker 2>you were exactly what happened. Turns out your nose, That's

0:31:58.200 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 2>exactly what happened to them.

0:31:59.280 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 4>Yep.

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 2>So once this guy met him, he takes power, I mean,

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 2>he gets elected into office, he turns back on Peronism

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 2>and adopts what's called the Washington Consensus model, which is basically,

0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:15.320
<v Speaker 2>saw your country to Washington, and so he did, and

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 2>this fucked the country up, just crash the fucking economy.

0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Eventually for a little while, like Time magazine was like

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 2>this is amazing, and they had like Time had him

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 2>on the cover with the headline Menem's miracle.

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 2>By nineteen ninety eight, Argentina started into a depression. And

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 2>this was because the Russian and Asian markets were starting

0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:39.200
<v Speaker 2>to crash, so foreign investment had dried up in quote

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 2>unquote emerging markets, and Argentina has hit hard and the IMF,

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 2>the International Monetary Fund, demanded its debts repaid. There's one

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 2>hundred and thirty two billion in debt, but they would

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:53.040
<v Speaker 2>like making up their own interest rates whenever they wanted.

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't entirely know the mechanism, but I was like

0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 2>reading it was like and then one month they jacked

0:32:56.960 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 2>the interest rates from nine percent to fourteen percent. Like,

0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 2>but why man, I wouldn't.

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 3>Sign that loan.

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 2>That's like, and we could just change this whenever we want.

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 4>No, I need a fixed rate, and you just just

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 4>make it in numbers up.

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 2>And in order to allow for repayment, the IMF basically

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:20.719
<v Speaker 2>imposed austerity measures on Argentina. And this is what's happening

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 2>all over the world. So pensions are cut, unemployment benefits

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 2>are cut, education is cut, healthcare is cut, state employee

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 2>salaries dropped wildly, and it's basically strip mining the country.

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 2>They're like, okay, give us all your money, and they're like, oh,

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 2>we need that money so that we can eat. And

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:45.640
<v Speaker 2>they're like, that's not what we asked. In two thousand

0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 2>and one, the economy collapsed. Fifty eight percent of the

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 2>population was below the poverty line by that point. Wow.

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 2>By two thousand and three, unemployment hit thirty eight percent

0:33:56.320 --> 0:34:02.320
<v Speaker 2>in Argentina. The election of nineteen ninety nine before the

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:06.040
<v Speaker 2>economies totally collapsed, but at depression has hit. Menem's position

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 2>was weakened. He'd abandoned peronism for neoliberalism. He'd guided the

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 2>country and things were in decline. He was voted out.

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:15.759
<v Speaker 2>This didn't turn the country around. It had already been sold,

0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 2>and the depression worsened. And so the working class got

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 2>real organized and got real militant, and in particular, the

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:30.279
<v Speaker 2>unworking class got really organized. Okay, the unemployed workers, which

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:32.360
<v Speaker 2>was twenty percent of the country, is unemployed by the

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 2>turn of the millennium. It goes up to thirty eight

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:37.439
<v Speaker 2>percent a couple of years later. Yeah, plus another twenty

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:42.880
<v Speaker 2>percent that's underemployed. They'd start what's called the unemployed workers movement,

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 2>and they were called pikateo's for like picket picketers, and

0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:51.360
<v Speaker 2>they would set up pickets, but they didn't have a

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 2>union workplace to complain about scabs, so they were just

0:34:54.719 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 2>blockade roads and demand subsidies for the unemployed be outside. Yeah,

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 2>and they would go and they would blockade roads with

0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 2>burning tires and shit. There's a lot of early evocative

0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:13.640
<v Speaker 2>images from this time, and these were horizontal movements. The

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:15.759
<v Speaker 2>government would like show up and be like, who's the

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:18.960
<v Speaker 2>leader here and they would all yell back all of us.

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Most of the there's like one hundred thousand a month.

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:25.279
<v Speaker 2>Two sixty percent of them were women, most of them

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 2>were young. Whole families would come out and join these protests.

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:31.719
<v Speaker 2>They would like set up like kitchens and shit in

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the road and start feeding everyone, which

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:38.760
<v Speaker 2>is good because people are literally starving. Their signature weapon,

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:40.959
<v Speaker 2>because what protest movement doesn't have a signature weapon?

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 3>I mean, come on, was a.

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Three foot wooden club?

0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:44.880
<v Speaker 4>Oh word?

0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:53.120
<v Speaker 6>And okay, yeah, they're not around heavy. Yeah, I know,

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:55.719
<v Speaker 6>I think it's a I don't think it's like I

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 6>don't think we're imagining like a caveman club that's like

0:35:58.040 --> 0:35:59.440
<v Speaker 6>a huge you know.

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:02.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's like more like a three foot dowel rod.

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:04.720
<v Speaker 2>Thinking for my own nevermind.

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 4>It still sounds big. Yeah, bonkers.

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Their signature uniform was a black and red bandana around

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:14.719
<v Speaker 2>their neck, and I love them. Women with black and

0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 2>red bandanas, burning tires and declaring they had no leaders.

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:18.239
<v Speaker 3>This is like my.

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:21.240
<v Speaker 4>Shit, Yeah, it's pretty dope.

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 2>They started setting up basic neighborhood assemblies and mutual aid networks.

0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 2>The government is collapsing all the economies collapsing, They're like, well,

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:30.239
<v Speaker 2>we still got to take care of it ourselves and

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:34.200
<v Speaker 2>take care of our neighbors. And they started negotiating with

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:37.880
<v Speaker 2>clothing manufacturers to get clothes to kids. They started building

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 2>childcare centers. They set up education workshops. They taught people

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:45.600
<v Speaker 2>like health and nutrition at different classes. They set up

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:49.280
<v Speaker 2>a network of pharmacies, a bakery, and a cement brick factory.

0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:50.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't know as much about that.

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:50.799
<v Speaker 4>Last time.

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Through their bakery they managed to undercut I think bread

0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 2>was nationally subsidized at this point, where like you couldn't

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 2>charge more than a certain amount for a lot of bread.

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:04.400
<v Speaker 2>That amount was still a lot by a person who

0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 2>has no money standards. So they the Pikataros, were able

0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 2>to sell bread for a peso for a kilo loaf,

0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 2>which is the cheapest that the government subsidies ever got

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:17.040
<v Speaker 2>was a buck sixty. But that was only three days.

0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what they averaged, and so there's growing

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 2>unrest in the parliamentary elections of October two thousand and one.

0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:30.920
<v Speaker 2>The blank ballot one. I believe this means that people

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 2>showed up and got their ballot and then wrote nothing

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:41.840
<v Speaker 2>on it. To blank and then turned it in hard. Yeah.

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:43.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they feel like they got much to

0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:44.359
<v Speaker 2>lose at this yeah point.

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 4>I mean, we're burning tires in the streets, dude, bread

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:50.880
<v Speaker 4>is to experience, like d none of the above.

0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're probably like, Oh, the neighborhood assembly that actually

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:57.960
<v Speaker 2>feeds me, that's what I'm bout actually voting for.

0:37:58.200 --> 0:37:58.919
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:00.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:06.279
<v Speaker 2>So meanwhile, there's a clothing manufacturer named Brookman, and the

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:09.000
<v Speaker 2>seamstresses who worked there had the lives of seamstresses and

0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:12.200
<v Speaker 2>factories everywhere, which is that it kind of sucked. They

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:15.400
<v Speaker 2>had fast turnaround deadlines, there was no talking, no music.

0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:18.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much worse than that. It was

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:22.800
<v Speaker 2>obviously seen. Some sweatshop factories are like the worst places

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 2>in the world. I get the impression that this one

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:29.799
<v Speaker 2>like sucked, but wasn't like murder Land. Yeah, I don't

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:34.720
<v Speaker 2>know whatever. As the economy started to sour, the company

0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:38.720
<v Speaker 2>fell deeper and deeper into debt, and the workers' salaries

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:40.919
<v Speaker 2>were cut so low that they couldn't afford bus fair

0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:43.400
<v Speaker 2>to go to work. Like, they're basically volunteering to go

0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:45.920
<v Speaker 2>to work at that point, right, because you're like, I

0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:47.319
<v Speaker 2>don't get paid enough to get here.

0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:50.239
<v Speaker 4>I can't Yeah, yeah, if I can't afford to get

0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 4>to work, Like then what am I doing? Yeah, I'm

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 4>paying you to be there? Yeah.

0:38:56.719 --> 0:39:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Basically, yeah, most of them had been. I've read from

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:03.560
<v Speaker 2>one source half of the three hundred employees were fired,

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:05.239
<v Speaker 2>but I've also read that there's only like fifty eight

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:07.480
<v Speaker 2>workers left at the time of the takeover the factory,

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 2>which is like, you know, a sixth or a fifth

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:16.680
<v Speaker 2>the women who started this revolution, because they kind of

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:19.759
<v Speaker 2>started they at least started the factory takeover part of it.

0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:22.640
<v Speaker 2>As best as I can tell, they didn't do it

0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:26.520
<v Speaker 2>through like anger. They did it through stubbornness and resourcefulness.

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 2>On December eighteenth, two thousand and one, they went to

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:32.400
<v Speaker 2>the factory owners. They like went to the factory, went

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:34.360
<v Speaker 2>to the owners and were like, hey, you're going to

0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:36.640
<v Speaker 2>subsidize our bus fare or we can't afford to work

0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:37.320
<v Speaker 2>for you anymore.

0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:38.840
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, Like you know, the.

0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Handouts from us to you are going to stop, yeah,

0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, And the owners were like, all right, you

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 2>wait here and we'll be right back with some money.

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:49.759
<v Speaker 2>We're totally coming back, right, don't go nowhere. Definitely be

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 2>right here.

0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:55.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they just never showed up, right, They just like

0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:56.920
<v Speaker 2>they went out for a pack of cigarettes and never

0:39:56.920 --> 0:40:01.120
<v Speaker 2>came back. And so the women wag and waited and

0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:04.239
<v Speaker 2>the owners never showed. They just abandoned the factory and

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:08.279
<v Speaker 2>the workers and all the unpaid wages entirely. So the

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:11.800
<v Speaker 2>workers were like, well, we know how to run this place.

0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:16.480
<v Speaker 2>It's our place anyway, and so they ran it more

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 2>efficiently than ever. They paid down all the debts that

0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 2>the company had accrued, they found new customers, like in

0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:27.799
<v Speaker 2>the middle of this like massive economic crash. They were

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 2>just like, all right, we can just do this. I mean,

0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:34.960
<v Speaker 2>one worker, Yeah, no, they just I love it.

0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:36.840
<v Speaker 3>It's so fucking cool. Yeah.

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 2>One worker named Celia Martinez said, quote, I don't know

0:40:40.760 --> 0:40:42.919
<v Speaker 2>why the owners had such a hard time. I don't

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:45.280
<v Speaker 2>know much about accounting, but for me, it's easy addition

0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 2>and subtraction.

0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:52.319
<v Speaker 4>Like you notice, most people when they say man, I

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:54.719
<v Speaker 4>could do your job's not that hard, usually are just

0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:57.320
<v Speaker 4>being arrogant and dumb. But in this situation today, it

0:40:57.440 --> 0:40:59.839
<v Speaker 4>was like, I don't understand what the product. You just

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:03.280
<v Speaker 4>here go to money, Like you said, that's so funny. Yeah,

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 4>you just yeah, you just you give the workers the

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:10.480
<v Speaker 4>money for the hours that they worked. Yeah, I just

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:12.880
<v Speaker 4>don't understand what's so hard about that. That's funny.

0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you've ever seen the chart of theft in America

0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:19.880
<v Speaker 2>where it's like all of the different categories of theft

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:21.719
<v Speaker 2>and they are all lined up, and all of the

0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:26.000
<v Speaker 2>like burglary and robbery and like muggings and all of

0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:29.239
<v Speaker 2>that or this like tiny percentage and then I think

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:32.839
<v Speaker 2>a bigger percentage than that is like asset forfeiture from cops. Yeah,

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:37.600
<v Speaker 2>but then far and away the majority like is unpaid wages,

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Like that is most of the theft that happens in America. Wow,

0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:44.239
<v Speaker 2>because there's no criminal prosecution.

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:46.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's like who do you? Yeah, how do you

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:47.120
<v Speaker 4>prove it?

0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And so Celia Martinez also said, quote, they are

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:55.719
<v Speaker 2>afraid of us because we have shown that if we

0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:58.240
<v Speaker 2>can manage a factory, we can also manage a country.

0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:00.879
<v Speaker 2>That's why this government decided to repress us.

0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:01.839
<v Speaker 4>M hmm.

0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Because eventually the government's going to repress them. Although spoiler alert,

0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:09.719
<v Speaker 2>they win and they still exist. This is still a

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:13.239
<v Speaker 2>cooperatively run business. All three of the examples that I'm

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:16.200
<v Speaker 2>going to use today still exist and they're still run

0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:19.839
<v Speaker 2>by the workers. So now that the women ran their

0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:22.480
<v Speaker 2>own place, they worked harder than ever because they had

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:24.840
<v Speaker 2>an equal ownership stake in the success of the business.

0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 2>They're like, oh, well, you know it's like if you're

0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:29.480
<v Speaker 2>like washing dishes for McDonald do you have kind of

0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:31.399
<v Speaker 2>like a duty to slack off as much as.

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:34.319
<v Speaker 4>You Yeah, like the bare minimum, that's your your job

0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:35.440
<v Speaker 4>is to do the bare minimal.

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're paying you minimum wage, so you do minimum

0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:38.840
<v Speaker 2>mappter exactly.

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:39.239
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 2>But when a business succeeds or fails and you succeed

0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:46.840
<v Speaker 2>or fail alongside of it, you care about it.

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:47.720
<v Speaker 4>Different story.

0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're a small business owner, you know that.

0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:53.799
<v Speaker 2>You know it's your life. Yes, Like like people are

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:55.279
<v Speaker 2>like time off and you're like, oh, that sounds like

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 2>an interesting.

0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:00.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah it was that. Yeah, But.

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.719
<v Speaker 2>While they're working, their lives don't suck the same, right,

0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:08.239
<v Speaker 2>because they're doing something that they care about and they're

0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:10.600
<v Speaker 2>trying to do it well. Because they care about their craft,

0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 2>they get to listen to music while they work, and

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 2>it became a culture of helping one another learn. Like

0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:17.240
<v Speaker 2>the older women would come by and like teach stitches

0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:19.239
<v Speaker 2>over people's shoulders and all this stuff that was like

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:20.960
<v Speaker 2>not allowed.

0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:21.319
<v Speaker 3>Before, you know.

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they made all their decisions and open assemblies.

0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:30.799
<v Speaker 4>Like a democracy, like what could have been. Yeah, we

0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:32.040
<v Speaker 4>sit down in discussion the.

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Whole, one of the whole. Like things that people talk

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:36.400
<v Speaker 2>about in the cooperative movement that kind of blew my

0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:38.200
<v Speaker 2>mind when someone first brought it up, is like, why

0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 2>do we claim that we live in a democracy when

0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:43.360
<v Speaker 2>like you spend forty hours a week in an autocracy?

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Like yes, So, while working at this factory, end of

0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:50.480
<v Speaker 2>the bosses, one woman had her pay deducted whenever she

0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:52.400
<v Speaker 2>would go to chemotherapy. They're like, oh, you didn't come

0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:55.759
<v Speaker 2>into work, you don't get paid. When the workers took over,

0:43:56.520 --> 0:43:58.719
<v Speaker 2>she didn't have to come into work anymore because she

0:43:58.840 --> 0:43:59.960
<v Speaker 2>was sick with canvas.

0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 4>Had cancer.

0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, all the rest of her co workers supported

0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:06.440
<v Speaker 2>her and paid for all of her treatments.

0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:15.919
<v Speaker 4>Just you, we shouldn't be so floored by, right, such

0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:20.920
<v Speaker 4>a human Yes yet duh, Like you got cancer? We

0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:22.919
<v Speaker 4>I got you girl, like you good?

0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Like we got you? Yeah yeah, you've worked here forever forever.

0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:28.840
<v Speaker 4>It's fine.

0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, like could have been any of us. Yep,

0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Naomi Klein wrote about the Brookman women in two thousand

0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:40.520
<v Speaker 2>and two, quote, if there's anything to be learned from

0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:43.240
<v Speaker 2>these surprising Brookman women, it's that the working class already

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:46.040
<v Speaker 2>knows how to organize and fight. In Argentina and around

0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:49.359
<v Speaker 2>the world, original, creative and effective direct action is way

0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:51.280
<v Speaker 2>ahead of intellectual leftist theory.

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:52.560
<v Speaker 4>Correct.

0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:57.640
<v Speaker 2>And the very next day after the women occupied their factory,

0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:02.319
<v Speaker 2>the country exploded into protest, not as a result, but

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:05.520
<v Speaker 2>just as part of the same thing. And if you

0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:10.360
<v Speaker 2>want to explode your wallet all over.

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:15.280
<v Speaker 4>There, you go, goods and services, just pop a load

0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:16.719
<v Speaker 4>right on your services.

0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's yep, here's the ads and we're back.

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry about the popping the load guys.

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:35.839
<v Speaker 2>No, no, I set you up for You did set

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:38.560
<v Speaker 2>me up for it. Yeah, you're not the only one

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 2>who sullid yourself there. So these protests pop up all

0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:47.680
<v Speaker 2>over the country, especially in Buenos Aires in the capitol.

0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:49.440
<v Speaker 2>And these are called, I mean, there's a lot of

0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:51.680
<v Speaker 2>different names for different parts, but these are called the

0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Cassalaza pop protests, the stewpot protests, or the saucepan protests,

0:45:57.160 --> 0:46:01.160
<v Speaker 2>compending on your translation. Yeah, some places will say, it's

0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:04.799
<v Speaker 2>like casserole, like casserole dish. I'm under the impression that

0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:07.400
<v Speaker 2>that's not the case, but my Spanish is like pretty mediocre.

0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:10.440
<v Speaker 2>This is a classic form of protest where you get

0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:14.200
<v Speaker 2>pots and pans and you march around banging them. I

0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:15.960
<v Speaker 2>think of like the kid's book. It's like, is it

0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:17.839
<v Speaker 2>where the wild things are something? It's like some kids

0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:19.400
<v Speaker 2>book I have where someone's just like walking around the

0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:21.320
<v Speaker 2>pot and pan banging on it. It's like the classic,

0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:23.800
<v Speaker 2>like annoying kid thing to do to piss off your parents.

0:46:23.880 --> 0:46:25.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't know.

0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:27.440
<v Speaker 2>It's a cool form of protest. I've only been around it,

0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:30.480
<v Speaker 2>like once in Italy when they were mad at the

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:34.120
<v Speaker 2>prime minister or something. Most famously, this method has been

0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:36.000
<v Speaker 2>used in Chile, but it's also been used all over

0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:40.640
<v Speaker 2>the world. These protests were spontaneous in that they were

0:46:40.680 --> 0:46:44.160
<v Speaker 2>not like organized or called for by a labor union

0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:47.840
<v Speaker 2>or by any other specific organization. Later the government is

0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:50.200
<v Speaker 2>going to be like, ah, it's the peronists they organized it.

0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:51.040
<v Speaker 4>That is, of course.

0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:53.799
<v Speaker 3>No, Yeah, there's nothing to that as far as they

0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:54.120
<v Speaker 3>can tell.

0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:58.759
<v Speaker 2>One participant said that it just started that someone like

0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:01.160
<v Speaker 2>went out to their they just like walked outside of

0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:03.200
<v Speaker 2>the pot and pants started banging, and so their neighbors

0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:05.400
<v Speaker 2>started banging, and so then people all down the street

0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:07.600
<v Speaker 2>did it. So people who saw it on TV did

0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:13.600
<v Speaker 2>it's dope, and soon enough, yeah it's super organic. Yeah yeah,

0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:16.880
<v Speaker 2>soon enough. Basically, the entire country was mobilized under the

0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:22.680
<v Speaker 2>slogan kisevan totos they all must go or out with

0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:29.759
<v Speaker 2>them all to be more libal. Yeah okay, yeah yeah,

0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:33.080
<v Speaker 2>And and this was a slogan that then spread to

0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:34.720
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the anti globalization movement.

0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:35.239
<v Speaker 3>This was like.

0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Argentina was like our shit, this is like this is

0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:40.680
<v Speaker 2>our high water mark, Like, holy shit, people are going

0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:44.279
<v Speaker 2>to fucking do something with this, you know, because the

0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:47.160
<v Speaker 2>people of Argentina basically demanded the end of their entire

0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 2>political and economic system, which they blamed correctly for gutting

0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:56.520
<v Speaker 2>their economy. And it wasn't like we demand communism or

0:47:56.640 --> 0:47:59.759
<v Speaker 2>anarchism or anything out there. They're like, they're like, we

0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:01.200
<v Speaker 2>don't like what's fucking happening.

0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:02.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, simple, you know.

0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:07.520
<v Speaker 2>And this was both the working class and the middle

0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:10.919
<v Speaker 2>class in the streets together, which is frankly a rare thing.

0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Most of the working class was organized into unions and

0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:20.440
<v Speaker 2>grassroot networks. So interestingly, the middle class elements actually had

0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:23.040
<v Speaker 2>some of the more spontaneous rebellion vibe. Although then also

0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:27.120
<v Speaker 2>you had the unemployed Picutari's right, who were working class

0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:30.200
<v Speaker 2>and very rowdy. But you have all of these crazy,

0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:33.600
<v Speaker 2>rowdy middle class people. When we whitewashed the history of this,

0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:35.640
<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh, they all went out in pots and pans,

0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:37.239
<v Speaker 2>and then the government decided I didn't want to be

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 2>the government anymore. Yeah, there's there's video footage of like

0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:44.759
<v Speaker 2>middle class people sipping their mate while kicking in the

0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:49.560
<v Speaker 2>glass panes of banks. Yes, it's so good.

0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:54.000
<v Speaker 4>Hey, you guys want to smash this bank right now? Like,

0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:56.000
<v Speaker 4>let's go get okay, listen, let's go get a couple

0:48:56.000 --> 0:49:00.520
<v Speaker 4>of lattes. Oh mate, yeah yeah, being silly, Yeah yeah,

0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:04.799
<v Speaker 4>I know. Mates. Yeah, they yerba yerba, so they go

0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:09.120
<v Speaker 4>through yerbra mate, you know. And uh and then let's

0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:11.560
<v Speaker 4>go let's go do some uh, let's go do some

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:14.799
<v Speaker 4>direct action. You guys down, Yeah, I'm down. I love it.

0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why not?

0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:18.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:21.120
<v Speaker 2>And as best as I can tell, the protest didn't

0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:25.440
<v Speaker 2>start off specifically destructive, but they got more routy more

0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:27.960
<v Speaker 2>destructive when the state started shooting them with shit and

0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:31.560
<v Speaker 2>killing a bunch of them, which is a common enough pattern.

0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:36.040
<v Speaker 2>The reason the middle class was in the street was

0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:37.600
<v Speaker 2>because the middle class was being robbed.

0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:37.799
<v Speaker 3>Two.

0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:42.440
<v Speaker 2>The IMF cut funds off to Argentina in December two

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:45.560
<v Speaker 2>thousand and one, and all the rich business owners were

0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:49.480
<v Speaker 2>like fearing a crash and causing a crash, so they

0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:52.000
<v Speaker 2>converted their pesos to dollars and started taking them out

0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:56.960
<v Speaker 2>of the country almost overnight. Multinational banks took forty million

0:49:57.040 --> 0:49:58.080
<v Speaker 2>dollars out of the country.

0:49:58.160 --> 0:50:00.560
<v Speaker 4>What yeah, damn.

0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:03.120
<v Speaker 2>So it's like it's one of these things where, like

0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:06.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff, it's like collapses slow until it's.

0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:08.800
<v Speaker 4>Fast, yes, yeah, until you hit the cliff.

0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:12.360
<v Speaker 2>And like right now in the US, we're in like

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:14.560
<v Speaker 2>slow mode, although we might not be the time you

0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:16.200
<v Speaker 2>hear this, you probably we're probably still.

0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:16.560
<v Speaker 3>In slow mode.

0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and often just stays in slow mode. But then

0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:26.799
<v Speaker 2>sometimes cliff. So the government instituted what one journalist called

0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:32.239
<v Speaker 2>uh cortolito, the children's playpen, or more literally the small enclosure,

0:50:33.560 --> 0:50:37.000
<v Speaker 2>and they froze bank accounts, not just of the multinationals

0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:38.480
<v Speaker 2>that were like robbing the country, and taking all the

0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:41.240
<v Speaker 2>money out. They froze it all, so middle class people

0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:44.080
<v Speaker 2>were suddenly frozen out of their life savings. You could

0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:46.719
<v Speaker 2>only withdraw two hundred and fifty pasos a week. You

0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:49.480
<v Speaker 2>could only do that if your account was pesos not dollars.

0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:51.120
<v Speaker 4>So you can't pull your money out.

0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:54.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah okay wow, and soon enough as the crisis pulls on,

0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:56.040
<v Speaker 2>you can't get any money out.

0:50:56.239 --> 0:50:56.479
<v Speaker 4>Damn.

0:50:57.320 --> 0:51:00.360
<v Speaker 2>So people have just been robbed of their life saves

0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:03.360
<v Speaker 2>by greedy, fucking corporations working hand in hand with their government.

0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:07.560
<v Speaker 2>So they rioted. They smashed up banks while sipping mante.

0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:10.680
<v Speaker 2>And I don't think sipping mante is not a middle

0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:12.919
<v Speaker 2>class thing in Argentina. It's just such an evocative image.

0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:16.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's pretty normal. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's like coffee here,

0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:20.279
<v Speaker 4>like everyone drinks it. But yeah, I just I like,

0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:25.000
<v Speaker 4>what did what did y'all think was gonna happen? If you,

0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:28.319
<v Speaker 4>like you shut down the bank, like you telling me

0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:30.759
<v Speaker 4>my money in there? I just can't have it, Like

0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:33.920
<v Speaker 4>who's not fighting? Like who not gonna fight for that?

0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:34.279
<v Speaker 1>Like?

0:51:34.560 --> 0:51:38.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah totally. I have worked my entire life for

0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:38.960
<v Speaker 2>the money that.

0:51:39.000 --> 0:51:39.720
<v Speaker 3>Is in that bank.

0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they can't have it.

0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:43.120
<v Speaker 3>It's mine.

0:51:43.400 --> 0:51:45.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, even if it's as simple as like I just

0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:49.160
<v Speaker 4>let's let's be as middle class as possible. I got Yeah,

0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:55.600
<v Speaker 4>I got a direct debit for my light build. Yeah

0:51:55.680 --> 0:51:57.440
<v Speaker 4>you're telling me I can't. So now I'm gonna have

0:51:57.440 --> 0:51:59.520
<v Speaker 4>a late fee. It is not that I don't have

0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:01.759
<v Speaker 4>the money. They gonna turn off my lights. Yeah, not

0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:04.719
<v Speaker 4>because I can't pay for it. Yeah, because you won't

0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:06.920
<v Speaker 4>let it go. Nah, fam we fight them.

0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and so they all you know, they chanted

0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:14.200
<v Speaker 2>they almost go another banner read we are nothing. We

0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:20.240
<v Speaker 2>want to be everything. I think they allowed credit card transactions. Oh,

0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:23.680
<v Speaker 2>but you couldn't get cash out, and you couldn't convert

0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:26.600
<v Speaker 2>the money out of paesos. There's like a million different

0:52:26.640 --> 0:52:27.520
<v Speaker 2>things you can't do.

0:52:27.680 --> 0:52:29.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. It's kind of shady though, to be like what

0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:32.000
<v Speaker 4>you can do credit because it's like, okay, yeah, I

0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:35.000
<v Speaker 4>see what y'all doing. Yeah, that's even more shady. Noah,

0:52:35.000 --> 0:52:36.919
<v Speaker 4>I want to pay cash. No, you can't have cash,

0:52:37.040 --> 0:52:39.440
<v Speaker 4>you know what. Yeah, burns place down.

0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:41.480
<v Speaker 2>And most of the economy at that point was running

0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:43.480
<v Speaker 2>on cash for most people as best as I can tell.

0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:46.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, whack.

0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Soon enough, the unions call for general strikes. The government

0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:52.719
<v Speaker 2>called for a state of emergency. So you know, both

0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:55.880
<v Speaker 2>sides do what both sides do. Yeah, And it's like

0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:57.600
<v Speaker 2>if you read the like Cliff's notes, they're like, and

0:52:57.640 --> 0:53:01.480
<v Speaker 2>thirty nine people died in the riots. Cops killed thirty.

0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:03.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, say it right, say it correctly. Yeah.

0:53:03.920 --> 0:53:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nine of them were kids. Many of them were looting,

0:53:10.600 --> 0:53:14.760
<v Speaker 2>mostly for food. Shop owners and security guards killed another

0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:15.440
<v Speaker 2>seven people.

0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:17.640
<v Speaker 4>I would love I would love to pay for this.

0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, totally, yeah, exactly, I would.

0:53:19.400 --> 0:53:22.239
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely love to buy this. Yeah.

0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you knew this, but we all

0:53:24.000 --> 0:53:26.760
<v Speaker 2>got robbed just now, of all of our money.

0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:29.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, go check your account, Go check your account right now,

0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:30.280
<v Speaker 4>shop owner.

0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Check, you take some cash out?

0:53:31.680 --> 0:53:34.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, don't take some cash out your cat, right, just

0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:36.759
<v Speaker 4>to kind of low go get some twenties, try it, right,

0:53:36.880 --> 0:53:41.240
<v Speaker 4>I'll wait here, I'll wait Yeah.

0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:43.520
<v Speaker 2>And what's interesting is even still with all of this,

0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:48.240
<v Speaker 2>these protests weren't just like everyone running around losing their mind.

0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:51.760
<v Speaker 2>They weren't like there was like puppets and street feater

0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:55.000
<v Speaker 2>and this like celebratory like we are coming together to

0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:59.440
<v Speaker 2>do this thing, vibe the president. It was not manim

0:53:59.440 --> 0:54:01.640
<v Speaker 2>at this point, this other guy who's just to not

0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:03.440
<v Speaker 2>throw in too many names, I'm not gonna includ him

0:54:03.480 --> 0:54:07.080
<v Speaker 2>because he's not he's not gonna last much longer. He

0:54:07.160 --> 0:54:09.880
<v Speaker 2>tried to get the military to intervene, and the generals

0:54:09.880 --> 0:54:12.400
<v Speaker 2>were like, not fucking up, We're not doing that.

0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:15.880
<v Speaker 7>You are on your own, homeboy. Yeah, we did not

0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:19.960
<v Speaker 7>sign up. But it is, yeah, exactly similar to the US.

0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:22.600
<v Speaker 7>They have laws about how the military is only allowed

0:54:22.640 --> 0:54:25.760
<v Speaker 7>to be used for domestic policing in like really specific ways,

0:54:26.239 --> 0:54:30.399
<v Speaker 7>you know, and they probably could have claimed that one

0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:32.040
<v Speaker 7>of those was happening. And the generals were like, we're

0:54:32.040 --> 0:54:32.640
<v Speaker 7>not fucking touching it.

0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:34.760
<v Speaker 4>It looks like a parade to me, homeboy.

0:54:34.960 --> 0:54:36.320
<v Speaker 2>They yeah, totally.

0:54:36.400 --> 0:54:39.440
<v Speaker 4>You shouldn't making the fall for this, Like, yeah, shouldn't

0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:41.560
<v Speaker 4>have fun with day money, you understand, ask people get

0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:42.760
<v Speaker 4>like that you messed with day money.

0:54:43.520 --> 0:54:45.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I tried to get some money out

0:54:45.360 --> 0:54:45.960
<v Speaker 2>of earlier today and.

0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:48.440
<v Speaker 4>It didn't work exactly. I should look, my son needed

0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:50.520
<v Speaker 4>twenty dollars for his field trip. I couldn't give it

0:54:50.560 --> 0:54:55.160
<v Speaker 4>to him. Yeah, it sounds like a U problem.

0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:57.760
<v Speaker 2>And so it was the it was the Federal Police,

0:54:57.800 --> 0:55:00.680
<v Speaker 2>the Border Guard, and the coast Guard out there killing protesters.

0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:04.879
<v Speaker 2>So next the president goes to censor the news, of course,

0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:07.600
<v Speaker 2>and the media secretary of the government is like, I'm

0:55:07.640 --> 0:55:12.399
<v Speaker 2>not fucking the hell you got. Everyone is like this

0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 2>boat is sinking. I love it, Like, get away from me.

0:55:16.640 --> 0:55:21.279
<v Speaker 2>You've got a fucking plague. So the whole time the

0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:24.719
<v Speaker 2>president assumed it's the Peronists, so he he goes to

0:55:24.800 --> 0:55:28.600
<v Speaker 2>the like Pironists, and he rather he goes on the

0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:34.080
<v Speaker 2>news to beg the Pironists, this is fucking embarrassing. He

0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:36.200
<v Speaker 2>gets on the news to beg the Pironas, who are

0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:39.640
<v Speaker 2>not behind it, to please stop the protests. He will

0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:42.040
<v Speaker 2>put them into the government as well if they will

0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:46.399
<v Speaker 2>just stop the protests, and the Pronas are like, we're

0:55:46.400 --> 0:55:47.080
<v Speaker 2>not fucking.

0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:50.120
<v Speaker 4>Joining you either. I look like Drake, Like, bro, you

0:55:50.200 --> 0:55:52.520
<v Speaker 4>done lost this one. Fam like there's no one you

0:55:52.560 --> 0:55:59.040
<v Speaker 4>can call. I know that reference, all right, magbe I'm

0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:03.879
<v Speaker 4>online enough for that, Yes, BBL. Pironis has already went viral. Man,

0:56:03.920 --> 0:56:04.960
<v Speaker 4>there's nothing you can do.

0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:05.920
<v Speaker 5>Hilarious.

0:56:06.280 --> 0:56:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so the president resigned and had to be

0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:13.239
<v Speaker 2>evacuated by helicopter because he couldn't get out by car,

0:56:14.120 --> 0:56:17.200
<v Speaker 2>and so the the news footage of him fleeing by

0:56:17.239 --> 0:56:20.920
<v Speaker 2>helicopter is just like it's two thousand l.

0:56:20.960 --> 0:56:24.200
<v Speaker 4>Right, yes, just coward puss as. Like if we was

0:56:24.200 --> 0:56:28.239
<v Speaker 4>in a like we was in New Orleans, yo, puss as.

0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like we were not fucking Yeah, They're like, yeah,

0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:35.399
<v Speaker 2>we knew he sucks. Now we know you suck.

0:56:35.480 --> 0:56:36.400
<v Speaker 4>Knew he was a coward.

0:56:37.760 --> 0:56:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Argentina went through five presidents in three weeks. Oh wait,

0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:46.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they were either.

0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:54.480
<v Speaker 4>That was that was it? Listen, Margaret. That was a natural, guttural,

0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:57.480
<v Speaker 4>realcity like everything is, but that was really natural, Like

0:56:57.640 --> 0:56:58.719
<v Speaker 4>what yeah?

0:56:58.800 --> 0:56:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:00.200
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:03.600
<v Speaker 2>And then importantly, and I actually think they did this.

0:57:03.680 --> 0:57:05.239
<v Speaker 2>I think this is actually why I have pulled out,

0:57:05.239 --> 0:57:09.000
<v Speaker 2>but I've read it in different confusing ways. They defaulted

0:57:09.000 --> 0:57:11.960
<v Speaker 2>on their debt to the IMF. They were like, we're

0:57:11.960 --> 0:57:13.960
<v Speaker 2>not going to fucking pay you and the rest of

0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:15.960
<v Speaker 2>the world who's in debt as the IMF was like

0:57:16.000 --> 0:57:18.080
<v Speaker 2>taking notes, they were like, wait, we can just wait.

0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:21.800
<v Speaker 4>You could just tell them ukpay.

0:57:20.520 --> 0:57:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Like what the fuck? That sounds amazing. Yeah. And the

0:57:27.560 --> 0:57:30.080
<v Speaker 2>thing that I'm most excited about about these protests, if

0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:32.640
<v Speaker 2>you ask me, is the alternatives to government that the

0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:36.000
<v Speaker 2>people formed these neighborhood assemblies, which is what seems to

0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:39.720
<v Speaker 2>happen all the time during these kinds of crises. We've

0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:42.160
<v Speaker 2>talked about it extensively during our episodes on the Russian

0:57:42.200 --> 0:57:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Civil War. For example, during the uprisings in Argentina, millions

0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:49.640
<v Speaker 2>of people formed into neighborhood assemblies to make decisions and

0:57:49.680 --> 0:57:52.440
<v Speaker 2>get things done in their areas in a bottom up fashion.

0:57:53.360 --> 0:57:56.240
<v Speaker 2>The occupation of factories spread across this country at this

0:57:56.320 --> 0:58:00.760
<v Speaker 2>time because hundreds of factories, well I thinks of factories

0:58:00.800 --> 0:58:03.280
<v Speaker 2>had been abandoned by the bosses who were like, oh

0:58:03.320 --> 0:58:06.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm in debt, everything sucks, I'm leaving, you know, And

0:58:06.480 --> 0:58:10.400
<v Speaker 2>so hundreds of factories with hundreds of workers each start

0:58:10.440 --> 0:58:15.000
<v Speaker 2>becoming occupied. Mutual aid networks are spreading too. Basically, the

0:58:15.040 --> 0:58:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Piccateo model exploded across the country. One assembly put out

0:58:20.600 --> 0:58:22.560
<v Speaker 2>a manifesto that I want to read because this is

0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:24.959
<v Speaker 2>their like, it's just like up on their bulletin board.

0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:27.600
<v Speaker 2>It's not even a like we published this manifesto for

0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:31.440
<v Speaker 2>the world or whatever, right, and it's still fucking poetry.

0:58:32.280 --> 0:58:35.320
<v Speaker 2>What is your dream? Do you remember? The nineteenth of December?

0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:39.280
<v Speaker 2>That night you said enough of thieves. Yes, you shouted it.

0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I heard you, We all heard you. We also heard

0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:44.160
<v Speaker 2>you when you said, I no longer want to be

0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:46.960
<v Speaker 2>who I was. I don't want them to decide any

0:58:47.000 --> 0:58:50.200
<v Speaker 2>more for me. I don't believe in any political leaders anymore,

0:58:50.520 --> 0:58:53.360
<v Speaker 2>nor in judges, nor in union leaders, nor in bankers,

0:58:53.360 --> 0:58:57.200
<v Speaker 2>nor big businessmen, nor policemen. I felt so much pride

0:58:57.200 --> 0:58:59.440
<v Speaker 2>to see you and me. It's just that I did

0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:01.840
<v Speaker 2>not expect so much of you, even less of me.

0:59:02.400 --> 0:59:05.560
<v Speaker 2>You surprised me because of that, because you pushed me.

0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:09.680
<v Speaker 2>I am walking to find a way, banging pots, thinking

0:59:09.680 --> 0:59:12.960
<v Speaker 2>out loud in assemblies with my neighbors. Where are we going?

0:59:13.040 --> 0:59:16.200
<v Speaker 2>You ask, Well, we are trying to create, with neighbors

0:59:16.240 --> 0:59:19.680
<v Speaker 2>a democratic and assembly based system from which our representatives

0:59:19.680 --> 0:59:22.920
<v Speaker 2>can come forth. The majority express a firm refusal of

0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:26.400
<v Speaker 2>political parties. There is no space for them in the assemblies.

0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:33.320
<v Speaker 4>It's gorgeous. I know, man, we need that. Yeah, oh

0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:37.160
<v Speaker 4>my god, we have this. I just got like butterflies.

0:59:37.280 --> 0:59:40.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, god, damn, America needs that?

0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:46.240
<v Speaker 2>And how And there's actually this thing about because Americans,

0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:49.280
<v Speaker 2>especially white Americans, I think, see Argentina as like global South,

0:59:49.320 --> 0:59:51.360
<v Speaker 2>it's all the same. It might as well be Mexico.

0:59:51.880 --> 0:59:55.240
<v Speaker 2>And not that any of these places are replaceable or

0:59:56.240 --> 1:00:02.400
<v Speaker 2>each other. But Argentina absolutely was like like we were

1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:04.840
<v Speaker 2>saying earlier, it was it saw itself as like a

1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Canada in Australia. It also had a really strong protection

1:00:10.360 --> 1:00:13.720
<v Speaker 2>of private property. Like and so I think sometimes people

1:00:13.720 --> 1:00:15.480
<v Speaker 2>see this and they're like, oh, well, people from other

1:00:15.520 --> 1:00:19.320
<v Speaker 2>cultures are like just better at taking care of each other,

1:00:19.400 --> 1:00:26.040
<v Speaker 2>and like, okay, sometimes that's true, but like this is

1:00:26.080 --> 1:00:29.720
<v Speaker 2>still a country that like does it. You're not supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to do this there. No, you're not supposed to create

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<v Speaker 2>your own network of things. If they can do it there,

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<v Speaker 2>it can be done, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's very They really take pride in their Spanish

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<v Speaker 4>like European ancestry.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, yeah, And so every neighborhood in Buenos Aires

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<v Speaker 2>had an assembly, and then soon it spread to the suburbs.

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<v Speaker 2>There's two hundred assemblies in Buenos Aires alone, with an

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<v Speaker 2>average of two hundred participants at their Every Sunday they

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<v Speaker 2>had an assembly of assemblies with four thousand people meeting

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<v Speaker 2>for like four hours. This is the downside to this

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<v Speaker 2>particular style of vav coach and it takes.

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<v Speaker 4>To go to meetin's time, and there's a lot of yeas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And they would break up into committees to address

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<v Speaker 2>certain issues like health and media, and they would throw

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<v Speaker 2>parties to bring the community together and help people in

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<v Speaker 2>neighborhoods like find each other. Each assembly works differently. Most

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<v Speaker 2>are open to anyone in the neighborhood. One band, bankers

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<v Speaker 2>and political parties, another band media. One older guy, a

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<v Speaker 2>shopkeeper said about them, quote, never in my whole life

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<v Speaker 2>did I give a shit for anyone else in my neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 2>I was not interested in politics. But this time I

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<v Speaker 2>realized I've had enough and I need to do something

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's not like this wasn't just like waiting

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<v Speaker 2>under the surface that everyone was just like really close

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<v Speaker 2>friends with all their neighbors. Yeah, they just made it happen.

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<v Speaker 4>I do think too, to your point, there's even even

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<v Speaker 4>among you know, more progressive kind of people of color.

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<v Speaker 4>We often romanticize our ancestral lands are ansenstral people's as

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<v Speaker 4>if they were as if like you know, being power

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<v Speaker 4>hungry is like modern like no, like you know, like

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<v Speaker 4>there were people roaming the African Savannah, you know, lobbying

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<v Speaker 4>for power against their chieftains, you know what I'm saying, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>so this so to think that, like you said, like

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<v Speaker 4>under the surface, they all wanted to go back to

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<v Speaker 4>this sort of you know, communal lively like, no, this

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<v Speaker 4>was hard fought, and it was. And if you're pressed

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<v Speaker 4>and when pressed to a position, you have people like

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<v Speaker 4>this shopkeeper that was like oooh, I was out here

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<v Speaker 4>getting mine. It just the system failed me and I

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<v Speaker 4>realized I needed each other. We needed each other, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And for me, that's actually a huge sign of hope, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>is that you look at this and you're like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people you could like look around and be

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<v Speaker 2>like those that's my political enemy. Oh that's my political

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<v Speaker 2>That guy voted for Trump, Oh that guy vote for Biden.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate both of them. So I hate everyone, you know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>only I am like pure and radical.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're like the people who did this revolution in

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<v Speaker 2>Argentina were the shopkeeper who hated every.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, yeah, this is Karen and Chad Man. Karen

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<v Speaker 4>and Chad you got radicalized, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And some of the stuff is going to stick and

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<v Speaker 2>some of it is not. And the neighborhood assemblies are

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<v Speaker 2>not going to stick, but like it's a fucking start. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And so these assemblies were split. Some assemblies wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>put pressure on government and reform it. Others wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>restructure society around the assemblies themselves. But they were getting

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<v Speaker 2>shit done and they were taking care of themselves and

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, their neighborhoods, and they were taking over factories.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're going to talk about those factory takeovers on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>The first we're going to talk about your show, which

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<v Speaker 2>people probably probably already listening to. I hope, so they're

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<v Speaker 2>not they're missing out, but I hope.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's about.

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<v Speaker 2>goddamn darkness.

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