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Speaker 2: Hi, this is a special message from me, Margaret. It's

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Speaker 2: not an ad message. It's just not related to what

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about today on the podcast. And

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Speaker 2: I'm recording this separately. I'm recording this separately because on

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Speaker 2: June tenth, twenty twenty four, Leonard Peltier is going to

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Speaker 2: have a parole hearing and I want to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: One of the guests that we have a lot on

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Speaker 2: this podcast, but also just like cool Zone Media podcasts

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Speaker 2: in general, is my friend Moira Meltzer Cohen, who is

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Speaker 2: a lawyer, a defense lawyer who is on Leonard Peltier's

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Speaker 2: court case. And Moira asked us to read this statement,

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Speaker 2: and I just want to say I co sign this statement.

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Speaker 2: I've done a lot of research about Leonard Peltier for

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Speaker 2: this podcast and also on my own as an activist.

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Speaker 2: Some of the first protests I ever went to were

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Speaker 2: related to free Leonard Peltier.

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Speaker 3: So this is the statement.

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Speaker 2: On June tenth, twenty twenty four, Leonard Peltier enrolled member

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Speaker 2: of the Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa of Lakota and

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Speaker 2: Ajibo Ancestry and the longest serving political prisoner in the

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Speaker 2: United States, will be appearing before the US Parole Commission

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Speaker 2: for the first time since two thousand nine. He faces

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Speaker 2: staunch opposition from the FBI and other law enforcement due

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Speaker 2: to having allegedly killed two FBI agents in a firefight

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Speaker 2: on June twenty six, nineteen seventy five, after the agents

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Speaker 2: appeared on reservation land to execute a pretextual warrant. The

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Speaker 2: initial firefight occurred during the quote reign of terror on

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Speaker 2: Pine Ridge in the wake of the occupation of Wounded Knee,

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Speaker 2: a time of extreme violence when federal law enforcement installed

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Speaker 2: a puppet tribal chair and was arming vigilantes who targeted

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Speaker 2: Indigenous traditionalists. Everything leading up to these events, as well

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Speaker 2: as the subsequent investigation and mister Peltier's extradition, trial, conviction,

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Speaker 2: and sentencing, were characterized by gross misconduct on the part

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Speaker 2: of law enforcement, the prosecution, and the courts. Mister Peltier's

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Speaker 2: co defendants were separately tried and acquitted on grounds of

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Speaker 2: self defense. Mister Peltier was railroaded, and his case is

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Speaker 2: tainted by discrimination at every level, ranging from the withholding

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Speaker 2: of exculpatory evidence to the torture and coercion of extradition

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Speaker 2: and trial witnesses, and from the refusal of the trial

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Speaker 2: judge to dismiss in avowedly racist juror, to the apologetic

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Speaker 2: gymnastics of courts affirming his conviction in the face of

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Speaker 2: meritorious legal challenges and admitted evidence of outrageous government misdeeds.

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Speaker 2: Mister Peltier has been in prison for more than forty

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Speaker 2: eight years and is almost eighty years old. He suffers

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Speaker 2: from chronic and potentially lethal conditions for which he receives

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Speaker 2: insufficient and sub standard medical care. If you want to

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Speaker 2: take action to free Leonard Peltier, you can call the U.

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Speaker 2: S Parole Commission at two zero two three four six

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Speaker 2: seven thousand. Again that's two zero two three four six

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Speaker 2: seven thousand. Or you can sign the petition. And this

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Speaker 2: so I'm going to read it out. N d n

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Speaker 2: c O dot C C slash us PC dash free

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Speaker 2: Leonard Peltier. Again, that's n D n c O dot

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Speaker 2: C C slash us PC dash free Leonard Peltier. Leonard

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Speaker 2: Peltier is spelled l E O N A R D

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Speaker 2: P E L t I E R or you can

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Speaker 2: follow Indian Collective on social media, which is n d

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Speaker 2: N Collective. For more information on Leonard Peltier, Listen to

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Speaker 2: Margaret's podcast on the Low Coda Nation. Oh thanks Moira,

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Speaker 2: and read in the Spirit of Crazy Horse by Peter Matheson.

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Speaker 2: And again, just want to reiterate, I go sign all

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Speaker 2: of this. I've done a lot of my own search

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Speaker 2: into this. You can and should too, and free Leonard Peltier, Magpie.

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Speaker 4: Please tell these people, why will a mess the day

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Speaker 4: this is happening?

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Speaker 2: Well, because today on today is cool people did cool stuff. No,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Is there anything that's happened well, okay,

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Speaker 2: today is a podcast about history and about cool people

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Speaker 2: in history. And today my guess is prop and prop.

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Speaker 2: You run a podcast called hood Politics with Props, Yes,

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Speaker 2: and I use that when I want to figure out

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Speaker 2: what the fuck is going on in current events. As

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Speaker 2: far as I can tell, there's no current events happening.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, right now, right, well, like not in the

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Speaker 2: last fifteen minutes, the last.

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Speaker 4: Fifteen minutes that completely derailed baits. Listen. Our mamas used

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Speaker 4: to always tell us, baby, your arms is too short

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Speaker 2: Honestly, we are recording this on the day that Trump

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Speaker 2: was found guilty on thirty four fellon account for.

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Speaker 4: Unanimously, unanimously airy body Jerry Yo Peers bigged out.

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Speaker 1: I just really don't know if I can be a

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be hard, it's gonna be very And it's

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Speaker 2: funny because the news cycle. I mean, y'all are going

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Speaker 4: Who knows, you could have went to jail, broke out right.

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Speaker 4: It's just it's just like the January sixth.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was trying to like do the oh man,

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Speaker 1: But I was trying to do like the all right, uh,

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Speaker 1: come of this. But the thing that I was thinking about,

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Speaker 1: as he is a resident of the state of Florida,

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Speaker 1: is that maybe, uh you know, voters rights could get

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Speaker 4: So they actually did get changed, and just remembered, yeah

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Speaker 4: they did. Last the good thing last ballot, they said

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Speaker 4: the felons can vote. So yeah, well once they're once

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Speaker 1: Okay, is maybe voters' rights could uh once again get

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Speaker 3: But it's so crazy.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to be a professional. I'm going to be

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Speaker 2: I'm mostly thinking about how four days from now we're

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Speaker 2: gonna have so much more information, but you all can

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Speaker 2: see the unfiltered Yeah right now, three people who two

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Speaker 2: people who pay attention to curn events for a living,

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Speaker 2: and one person who reads history books for a living

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Speaker 4: It's just so it's like as knowing to tie it

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Speaker 4: all together, knowing we're witnessing history, knowing for a fact

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Speaker 4: this is for until you know, the the heat dome

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Speaker 4: this will go down in history.

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Speaker 1: So so to the Secret Service folks that are protecting

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Speaker 1: him at his home.

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Speaker 5: Are they legally allowed to have guns?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Shit.

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Speaker 4: They got to go to jail.

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Speaker 1: Do they sit outside the jail if he got like

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Speaker 1: sid First of all, he's not going to go the

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Speaker 5: That's how fucked up this country is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just excited for Waco too.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, we'll tell you.

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Speaker 2: About how got followed at Waco.

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Speaker 5: No, but I would love to hear that I went.

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Speaker 2: I went on a trip recently across the country and

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Speaker 2: the person I was traveling with was like, we gotta

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Speaker 2: and we got followed for like fifteen miles by a

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Speaker 2: No, And it like it turned around on the road

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Speaker 2: even I was like, I'm in my fucking I refer

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Speaker 4: I like this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Anyways, you go to the near future. So

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Speaker 2: today I even went more recent than usual. Today, today

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Speaker 2: bankers and predatory international loan funds gutted their economy, thousands

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Speaker 4: Would you say that the government was behaving very messy?

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Speaker 2: I would say that there's even going to be politicians

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Speaker 4: I was making a Lionel Messi joke.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, it went over my head.

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Speaker 5: Okay, do you even know who Lionel Messi is? Magpie?

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Speaker 4: No? All right, yeah, on the level of Pele as

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Speaker 5: Like Great is either.

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Speaker 4: If you've heard of the game soccer, yeah, do you

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Speaker 2: Beautiful I genuinely like soccer, and I've watched the World

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's way better outside anyway, Lionel Messi, it was

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Speaker 2: Sorry, okay, no, no, no, this is good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, all right. So one of my favorite

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Speaker 2: When workers started taking over their factories, it inspired people

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Speaker 2: to help finance this cooperative revolution in a non extractive way.

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Speaker 2: While he was there, he learned about what's called non

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Speaker 2: extractive finance, which is a way of loaning money to

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Speaker 2: a sustainable form of finance. Don't worry, there's gonna be

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Speaker 2: burning tires and shit later in this story. I know

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Speaker 2: I'm starting with finance.

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Speaker 2: He came home, This guy, Brendon Martin. He comes home

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Speaker 2: from Argentina a couple years later, and with what he learned,

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Speaker 2: he starts a worker cooperative finance organization called the Working World. Okay,

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Speaker 2: in proper cooperative form. They soon federated with a shitload

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Speaker 2: Seed Commons. I worked for Seed Commons for two years,

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Speaker 2: and it turns out that a modest nonprofit salary is

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Speaker 4: Got it okay, because I was like, my wife works

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Speaker 4: It's good. It trickled down.

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Speaker 2: What you I'm curious what you're the thing you're going

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Speaker 2: No, no, I mean, I mean, honestly, this is one

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Speaker 2: No, totally. It's yeah, it's the some of the same

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Speaker 2: So, as neoliberalism started to cross the globe, a powerful

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Speaker 2: He had seen farmer after farmer take their own life

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Speaker 2: They may he also rest in peace, And that's the

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Speaker 4: Wow. I just learned a lot about you right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a little moved, like wow.

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Speaker 2: but they were actually the only winners were multinational corporations. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but if you want to be a winner, you can

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Speaker 2: use our ads, I'm sure, one of which is gambling.

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Speaker 2: If you do the thing, the ad says you'll win,

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Speaker 2: always correct. That's the promise we make here, cools and media.

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Speaker 2: It's legally binding, right, Sophie. Sophie's nodding, Oh no, shaking. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: yeah no, sorry, I got those confused for a second.

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Speaker 2: Here's the ads and we're back. So now Argentina. Okay,

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Speaker 2: wait ah.

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Speaker 4: Wait, before you do Argentina, I think like, first of all,

447
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Speaker 4: if you're a cool Zone media listener, you probably understand

448
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Speaker 4: how these dots work. But like, I'm gonna plain all

449
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Speaker 4: this anyway on my show. But like the the a

450
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Speaker 4: lot of times the question is like but how like

451
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Speaker 4: how is And a good example I would give is like, okay,

452
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Speaker 4: so say, for example, I'm use something light and then heavier,

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Speaker 4: So like remember Tom's shoes. I was like a you know,

454
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Speaker 4: a whole like thing where it's like, oh, you buy

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Speaker 4: a pair of these, like you know, denim slippers, and

456
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Speaker 4: then we'll send a pair to Africa. You know, so

457
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Speaker 4: it's like, oh, yeah, buy one and then we give one. Okay,

458
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Speaker 4: Well you're saying that is as if there's no shoemakers

459
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Speaker 4: in Africa. So so when y'all do this, it's cool.

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Speaker 4: You feel better about it. But you just you just

461
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Speaker 4: put a shoemaker out of business right now, because everybody

462
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Speaker 4: getting free shoes, right, So even even if they don't

463
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Speaker 4: like them, you just flooded the market. So that's one way.

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Speaker 4: Now you now scale that and say if you're if

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Speaker 4: you're growing wheat, and you know outside of Kenosha, Wisconsin, right,

466
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Speaker 4: you're next to a farm you know, also growing wheat.

467
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Speaker 4: But but they got like seventy nine hectores owned by Walmart, right,

468
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Speaker 4: So that means that in they're and they're getting their

469
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Speaker 4: machines from China, they're getting their seeds from Mexico. They're

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Speaker 4: getting there so they have the first of all, the

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Speaker 4: connection the clients, the and and are just able to

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Speaker 4: do things at a scale that are completely impossible for

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Speaker 4: anyone to compete with. And and you have entire countries

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Speaker 4: in entire government desiring for this to work. So you

475
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Speaker 4: just it's like there's no competition, like there's just there's

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Speaker 4: nothing you can do except for sell your land to

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Speaker 4: that corporation. And so then so essentially what we're saying

478
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Speaker 4: is like from the government perspective, it is like, what

479
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Speaker 4: are you talking about? This is dope, man, all the

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Speaker 4: costs go down. Everybody's happy. We're connected world. It's one country,

481
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Speaker 4: this is one world, like and it's truly, we truly

482
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Speaker 4: are sharing this one rock. You know what I'm saying,

483
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Speaker 4: it spinning through space. But in a way that says, oh,

484
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Speaker 4: but but but this is better for everybody, But it's not.

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Speaker 4: It's better for y'all. Yeah, it's not better for your

486
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Speaker 4: neighbor who now like used to have could be able

487
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Speaker 4: to grow wheat and then sell it like that is

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Speaker 4: now impossible.

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Speaker 2: No, totally. And this, yeah, the the buy one give

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Speaker 2: one to Africa plan is like such a perfect example

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Speaker 2: of a false solution to this kind of thing. And

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Speaker 2: like what actually enriches areas is to bolster instead of

493
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Speaker 2: gut their economies, you know, and like going in and

494
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Speaker 2: saying like how do we foster small businesses? In my mind,

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Speaker 2: especially cooperatives, but like how do you actually like what?

496
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Speaker 2: And you know, and this is the era that you

497
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Speaker 2: get the fair trap from, right, you get this response

498
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Speaker 2: to it being like, well, how do we make sure

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Speaker 2: that the coffee growers we're getting a coffee from aren't

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Speaker 2: fucked over by the fact that we drink coffee because

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Speaker 2: we're not going to stop drinking coffee, you know, and

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Speaker 2: we're not going to start growing it in the US.

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Speaker 4: Yes, not possible at scale unless climate changes, which it

504
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Speaker 4: might eventually. Yeah, yeah, but right now we can't anyway,

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Speaker 4: you're correct.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, So in Argentina, we did an episode a

507
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Speaker 2: couple months back about a rebellion in Patagonia's huge wave

508
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Speaker 2: of strikes across rural Argentina in the early nineteen twenties.

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Speaker 2: If you ever want to hear me do early Argentina context,

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Speaker 2: listen to that one. I'm not going to go over

511
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Speaker 2: it all again. Then the stuff that Argentina's most famous

512
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: for that I know the least about, happened like decades

513
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Speaker 2: of various dictatorships. One day we'll probably talk more about

514
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Speaker 2: the people who fought against that, But it's not what

515
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: Argentine has been famous for in my circles. Instead, it

516
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: is famous for what we're going to talk about today,

517
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Speaker 2: an incredible bottom up labor movement. At the turn of

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Speaker 2: the twenty first century, Argentina proved the neoliberal order wrong

519
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: and showed the cracks in the IMF and the World Bank,

520
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Speaker 2: and specifically and concretely, a fuck load of workers took

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Speaker 2: over their factories and ran them more efficiently than they

522
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Speaker 2: were under bosses.

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Speaker 4: Amazing.

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Speaker 2: It's worth understanding that Argentinian politics in the twenty century

525
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Speaker 2: they don't map very well to most other countries politics.

526
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Speaker 2: For years, you have Perhonism, which is like right wing

527
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Speaker 2: and authoritarian, but complicatedly so it was sort of a

528
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: right meets left. It gets called centrist, but it's like

529
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: way more horseshoe theory than that. It's like way more both. Okay,

530
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Speaker 2: you know, like Biden is a centrist, this man is

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Speaker 2: the inversion of that, all right. Paranism is the ideology

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Speaker 2: that ruled for a lot of this time after a

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Speaker 2: guy named Peron, who took power after a coup nineteen

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Speaker 2: forty three. It is fiercely nationalistic. It is anti communist,

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Speaker 2: It is pro corporatist, but it's nationalism. Embraces ethnic diversity

536
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Speaker 2: and believes in building a strong local economy and keeping

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Speaker 2: foreign companies from stripping the economy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, keive them money local.

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Speaker 2: And believes in keeping class stratification to a minimum. There

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Speaker 2: was a more proper dictatorship later, which was further right

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Speaker 2: wing and anti pirnist, and I don't understand that show

542
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Speaker 2: well enough to tell you about it. None of these

543
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Speaker 2: tendencies that existed throughout the twentieth century were anything like neoliberalism.

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Speaker 2: Neoliberalism is a different kind of conservativism. It's one that

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00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: sells the country to the highest bidder. Yeah, but paronism

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Speaker 2: was a really popular stance for politicians to take. In

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine, this guy, Carlos Menim was voted into

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Speaker 2: all office as a peronist. He immediately dropped the peronism.

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Speaker 2: Politicians famously don't actually care about the values that are

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Speaker 2: embedded into labels. They care about what they can get

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Speaker 2: out of those labels. Correct, he was a neoliberalist.

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Speaker 5: Fuck.

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Speaker 2: He was also corrupt as fuck. He eventually was sentenced

554
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Speaker 2: for arms trafficking and embezzlement, but he was like a

555
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Speaker 2: politician still at that point, so he had immunity from

556
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Speaker 2: actually going to jail, and he never went to jail,

557
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Speaker 2: which is totally unrelated to oh, we successfully stopped thinking

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Speaker 2: about today.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I was actually transfigurated into another place and

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Speaker 4: then it was like, oh, yeah, no, never mind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, still Earth, nothing changes, still Earth. Yeah, Although what's

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Speaker 2: interesting about actually Argentina collapsing, specifically Argentina, despite being like

563
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Speaker 2: a globally south country, both in terms of physically and

564
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Speaker 2: also like seeing as part of the developing world in

565
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Speaker 2: a lot of contexts, was like by a lot of

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Speaker 2: other contexts, it was like an up and coming economy

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Speaker 2: like Canada or Australia.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's quite a comfortable place to be with the

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Speaker 4: incredibly beautiful humans Argentina.

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, everything I read about Argentina, I'm like, I

571
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Speaker 2: want to go to Argentina.

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Speaker 3: That sounds amazing.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty rat I mean there's yeah, there's certain places

574
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Speaker 2: and times that I don't want to be there because

575
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Speaker 2: I get killed.

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Speaker 4: But most of the time, yeah, I mean the colorism

577
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 4: runs incredibly deep culturally. Like I don't know a lot

578
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Speaker 4: about the politics. I just know like of like the

579
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 4: Latin countries, they're very they're they're a little more fair

580
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Speaker 4: skin than the rest of them, and they take a

581
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Speaker 4: lot of pride in that.

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Speaker 3: But that doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but they are.

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Speaker 2: During economic collapse. Yeah, they're in the economic collaps We're

585
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Speaker 2: going to talk about a lot of the other countries,

586
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Speaker 2: including like Uruguay, which is right next time we're like, yeah,

587
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Speaker 2: fuck you, you had it coming. You thought you were better

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Speaker 2: than us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, basically, yeah, because you think you better in all

590
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Speaker 4: of this.

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Speaker 2: Basically, it's like they thought you were white. You thought

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Speaker 2: you were exactly what happened. Turns out your nose, That's

593
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Speaker 2: exactly what happened to them.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: So once this guy met him, he takes power, I mean,

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Speaker 2: he gets elected into office, he turns back on Peronism

597
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: and adopts what's called the Washington Consensus model, which is basically,

598
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Speaker 2: saw your country to Washington, and so he did, and

599
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: this fucked the country up, just crash the fucking economy.

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Speaker 2: Eventually for a little while, like Time magazine was like

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Speaker 2: this is amazing, and they had like Time had him

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Speaker 2: on the cover with the headline Menem's miracle.

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Speaker 3: You know.

604
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Speaker 2: By nineteen ninety eight, Argentina started into a depression. And

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Speaker 2: this was because the Russian and Asian markets were starting

606
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Speaker 2: to crash, so foreign investment had dried up in quote

607
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: unquote emerging markets, and Argentina has hit hard and the IMF,

608
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Speaker 2: the International Monetary Fund, demanded its debts repaid. There's one

609
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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty two billion in debt, but they would

610
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Speaker 2: like making up their own interest rates whenever they wanted.

611
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Speaker 2: I don't entirely know the mechanism, but I was like

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Speaker 2: reading it was like and then one month they jacked

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Speaker 2: the interest rates from nine percent to fourteen percent. Like,

614
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Speaker 2: but why man, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Sign that loan.

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Speaker 2: That's like, and we could just change this whenever we want.

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Speaker 4: No, I need a fixed rate, and you just just

618
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Speaker 4: make it in numbers up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And in order to allow for repayment, the IMF basically

622
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Speaker 2: imposed austerity measures on Argentina. And this is what's happening

623
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Speaker 2: all over the world. So pensions are cut, unemployment benefits

624
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: are cut, education is cut, healthcare is cut, state employee

625
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: salaries dropped wildly, and it's basically strip mining the country.

626
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Speaker 2: They're like, okay, give us all your money, and they're like, oh,

627
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: we need that money so that we can eat. And

628
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Speaker 2: they're like, that's not what we asked. In two thousand

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Speaker 2: and one, the economy collapsed. Fifty eight percent of the

630
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Speaker 2: population was below the poverty line by that point. Wow.

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Speaker 2: By two thousand and three, unemployment hit thirty eight percent

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Speaker 2: in Argentina. The election of nineteen ninety nine before the

633
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: economies totally collapsed, but at depression has hit. Menem's position

634
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: was weakened. He'd abandoned peronism for neoliberalism. He'd guided the

635
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: country and things were in decline. He was voted out.

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Speaker 2: This didn't turn the country around. It had already been sold,

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00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: and the depression worsened. And so the working class got

638
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: real organized and got real militant, and in particular, the

639
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: unworking class got really organized. Okay, the unemployed workers, which

640
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 2: was twenty percent of the country, is unemployed by the

641
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Speaker 2: turn of the millennium. It goes up to thirty eight

642
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Speaker 2: percent a couple of years later. Yeah, plus another twenty

643
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: percent that's underemployed. They'd start what's called the unemployed workers movement,

644
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Speaker 2: and they were called pikateo's for like picket picketers, and

645
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 2: they would set up pickets, but they didn't have a

646
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: union workplace to complain about scabs, so they were just

647
00:34:54,719 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: blockade roads and demand subsidies for the unemployed be outside. Yeah,

648
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: and they would go and they would blockade roads with

649
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: burning tires and shit. There's a lot of early evocative

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Speaker 2: images from this time, and these were horizontal movements. The

651
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: government would like show up and be like, who's the

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Speaker 2: leader here and they would all yell back all of us.

653
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: Most of the there's like one hundred thousand a month.

654
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: Two sixty percent of them were women, most of them

655
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: were young. Whole families would come out and join these protests.

656
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: They would like set up like kitchens and shit in

657
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: the middle of the road and start feeding everyone, which

658
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 2: is good because people are literally starving. Their signature weapon,

659
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 2: because what protest movement doesn't have a signature weapon?

660
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, was a.

661
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: Three foot wooden club?

662
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 4: Oh word?

663
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 6: And okay, yeah, they're not around heavy. Yeah, I know,

664
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 6: I think it's a I don't think it's like I

665
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 6: don't think we're imagining like a caveman club that's like

666
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 6: a huge you know.

667
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like more like a three foot dowel rod.

668
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 2: Thinking for my own nevermind.

669
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 4: It still sounds big. Yeah, bonkers.

670
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: Their signature uniform was a black and red bandana around

671
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: their neck, and I love them. Women with black and

672
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: red bandanas, burning tires and declaring they had no leaders.

673
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 3: This is like my.

674
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 4: Shit, Yeah, it's pretty dope.

675
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: They started setting up basic neighborhood assemblies and mutual aid networks.

676
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: The government is collapsing all the economies collapsing, They're like, well,

677
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: we still got to take care of it ourselves and

678
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: take care of our neighbors. And they started negotiating with

679
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: clothing manufacturers to get clothes to kids. They started building

680
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: childcare centers. They set up education workshops. They taught people

681
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: like health and nutrition at different classes. They set up

682
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 2: a network of pharmacies, a bakery, and a cement brick factory.

683
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: I don't know as much about that.

684
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 4: Last time.

685
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: Through their bakery they managed to undercut I think bread

686
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: was nationally subsidized at this point, where like you couldn't

687
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: charge more than a certain amount for a lot of bread.

688
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: That amount was still a lot by a person who

689
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: has no money standards. So they the Pikataros, were able

690
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: to sell bread for a peso for a kilo loaf,

691
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: which is the cheapest that the government subsidies ever got

692
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: was a buck sixty. But that was only three days.

693
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what they averaged, and so there's growing

694
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: unrest in the parliamentary elections of October two thousand and one.

695
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: The blank ballot one. I believe this means that people

696
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: showed up and got their ballot and then wrote nothing

697
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: on it. To blank and then turned it in hard. Yeah.

698
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: I don't think they feel like they got much to

699
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 2: lose at this yeah point.

700
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 4: I mean, we're burning tires in the streets, dude, bread

701
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 4: is to experience, like d none of the above.

702
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're probably like, Oh, the neighborhood assembly that actually

703
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: feeds me, that's what I'm bout actually voting for.

704
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

705
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

706
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: So meanwhile, there's a clothing manufacturer named Brookman, and the

707
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: seamstresses who worked there had the lives of seamstresses and

708
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: factories everywhere, which is that it kind of sucked. They

709
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: had fast turnaround deadlines, there was no talking, no music.

710
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: I don't know how much worse than that. It was

711
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 2: obviously seen. Some sweatshop factories are like the worst places

712
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: in the world. I get the impression that this one

713
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 2: like sucked, but wasn't like murder Land. Yeah, I don't

714
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 2: know whatever. As the economy started to sour, the company

715
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 2: fell deeper and deeper into debt, and the workers' salaries

716
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 2: were cut so low that they couldn't afford bus fair

717
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: to go to work. Like, they're basically volunteering to go

718
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: to work at that point, right, because you're like, I

719
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: don't get paid enough to get here.

720
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 4: I can't Yeah, yeah, if I can't afford to get

721
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 4: to work, Like then what am I doing? Yeah, I'm

722
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 4: paying you to be there? Yeah.

723
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, most of them had been. I've read from

724
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: one source half of the three hundred employees were fired,

725
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: but I've also read that there's only like fifty eight

726
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: workers left at the time of the takeover the factory,

727
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: which is like, you know, a sixth or a fifth

728
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: the women who started this revolution, because they kind of

729
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: started they at least started the factory takeover part of it.

730
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: As best as I can tell, they didn't do it

731
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: through like anger. They did it through stubbornness and resourcefulness.

732
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: On December eighteenth, two thousand and one, they went to

733
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: the factory owners. They like went to the factory, went

734
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: to the owners and were like, hey, you're going to

735
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: subsidize our bus fare or we can't afford to work

736
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: for you anymore.

737
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 3: Sorry, Like you know, the.

738
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: Handouts from us to you are going to stop, yeah,

739
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: you know, And the owners were like, all right, you

740
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: wait here and we'll be right back with some money.

741
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: We're totally coming back, right, don't go nowhere. Definitely be

742
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: right here.

743
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

744
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just never showed up, right, They just like

745
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: they went out for a pack of cigarettes and never

746
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: came back. And so the women wag and waited and

747
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: the owners never showed. They just abandoned the factory and

748
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: the workers and all the unpaid wages entirely. So the

749
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 2: workers were like, well, we know how to run this place.

750
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: It's our place anyway, and so they ran it more

751
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: efficiently than ever. They paid down all the debts that

752
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: the company had accrued, they found new customers, like in

753
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: the middle of this like massive economic crash. They were

754
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: just like, all right, we can just do this. I mean,

755
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: one worker, Yeah, no, they just I love it.

756
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 3: It's so fucking cool. Yeah.

757
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: One worker named Celia Martinez said, quote, I don't know

758
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 2: why the owners had such a hard time. I don't

759
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 2: know much about accounting, but for me, it's easy addition

760
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: and subtraction.

761
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 4: Like you notice, most people when they say man, I

762
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 4: could do your job's not that hard, usually are just

763
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 4: being arrogant and dumb. But in this situation today, it

764
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 4: was like, I don't understand what the product. You just

765
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 4: here go to money, Like you said, that's so funny. Yeah,

766
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 4: you just yeah, you just you give the workers the

767
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 4: money for the hours that they worked. Yeah, I just

768
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 4: don't understand what's so hard about that. That's funny.

769
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've ever seen the chart of theft in America

770
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: where it's like all of the different categories of theft

771
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: and they are all lined up, and all of the

772
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: like burglary and robbery and like muggings and all of

773
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 2: that or this like tiny percentage and then I think

774
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 2: a bigger percentage than that is like asset forfeiture from cops. Yeah,

775
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: but then far and away the majority like is unpaid wages,

776
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: Like that is most of the theft that happens in America. Wow,

777
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: because there's no criminal prosecution.

778
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like who do you? Yeah, how do you

779
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 4: prove it?

780
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? And so Celia Martinez also said, quote, they are

781
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: afraid of us because we have shown that if we

782
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 2: can manage a factory, we can also manage a country.

783
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 2: That's why this government decided to repress us.

784
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 4: M hmm.

785
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 2: Because eventually the government's going to repress them. Although spoiler alert,

786
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: they win and they still exist. This is still a

787
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 2: cooperatively run business. All three of the examples that I'm

788
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: going to use today still exist and they're still run

789
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: by the workers. So now that the women ran their

790
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: own place, they worked harder than ever because they had

791
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: an equal ownership stake in the success of the business.

792
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, well, you know it's like if you're

793
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: like washing dishes for McDonald do you have kind of

794
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 2: like a duty to slack off as much as.

795
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 4: You Yeah, like the bare minimum, that's your your job

796
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 4: is to do the bare minimal.

797
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're paying you minimum wage, so you do minimum

798
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 2: mappter exactly.

799
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 3: You know.

800
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 2: But when a business succeeds or fails and you succeed

801
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 2: or fail alongside of it, you care about it.

802
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 4: Different story.

803
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: I mean, you're a small business owner, you know that.

804
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: You know it's your life. Yes, Like like people are

805
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: like time off and you're like, oh, that sounds like

806
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: an interesting.

807
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 4: Yeah it was that. Yeah, But.

808
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: While they're working, their lives don't suck the same, right,

809
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: because they're doing something that they care about and they're

810
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: trying to do it well. Because they care about their craft,

811
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: they get to listen to music while they work, and

812
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: it became a culture of helping one another learn. Like

813
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 2: the older women would come by and like teach stitches

814
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: over people's shoulders and all this stuff that was like

815
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: not allowed.

816
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 3: Before, you know.

817
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they made all their decisions and open assemblies.

818
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 4: Like a democracy, like what could have been. Yeah, we

819
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 4: sit down in discussion the.

820
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: Whole, one of the whole. Like things that people talk

821
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: about in the cooperative movement that kind of blew my

822
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: mind when someone first brought it up, is like, why

823
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: do we claim that we live in a democracy when

824
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 2: like you spend forty hours a week in an autocracy?

825
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: Like yes, So, while working at this factory, end of

826
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: the bosses, one woman had her pay deducted whenever she

827
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: would go to chemotherapy. They're like, oh, you didn't come

828
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: into work, you don't get paid. When the workers took over,

829
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: she didn't have to come into work anymore because she

830
00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: was sick with canvas.

831
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 4: Had cancer.

832
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all the rest of her co workers supported

833
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: her and paid for all of her treatments.

834
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 4: Just you, we shouldn't be so floored by, right, such

835
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 4: a human Yes yet duh, Like you got cancer? We

836
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 4: I got you girl, like you good?

837
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: Like we got you? Yeah yeah, you've worked here forever forever.

838
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 4: It's fine.

839
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like could have been any of us. Yep,

840
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: Naomi Klein wrote about the Brookman women in two thousand

841
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: and two, quote, if there's anything to be learned from

842
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 2: these surprising Brookman women, it's that the working class already

843
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: knows how to organize and fight. In Argentina and around

844
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 2: the world, original, creative and effective direct action is way

845
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 2: ahead of intellectual leftist theory.

846
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 4: Correct.

847
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: And the very next day after the women occupied their factory,

848
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: the country exploded into protest, not as a result, but

849
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: just as part of the same thing. And if you

850
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: want to explode your wallet all over.

851
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 4: There, you go, goods and services, just pop a load

852
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 4: right on your services.

853
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's yep, here's the ads and we're back.

854
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 4: I'm sorry about the popping the load guys.

855
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 2: No, no, I set you up for You did set

856
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: me up for it. Yeah, you're not the only one

857
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: who sullid yourself there. So these protests pop up all

858
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: over the country, especially in Buenos Aires in the capitol.

859
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: And these are called, I mean, there's a lot of

860
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: different names for different parts, but these are called the

861
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: Cassalaza pop protests, the stewpot protests, or the saucepan protests,

862
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: compending on your translation. Yeah, some places will say, it's

863
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 2: like casserole, like casserole dish. I'm under the impression that

864
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: that's not the case, but my Spanish is like pretty mediocre.

865
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: This is a classic form of protest where you get

866
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: pots and pans and you march around banging them. I

867
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: think of like the kid's book. It's like, is it

868
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 2: where the wild things are something? It's like some kids

869
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 2: book I have where someone's just like walking around the

870
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 2: pot and pan banging on it. It's like the classic,

871
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 2: like annoying kid thing to do to piss off your parents.

872
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

873
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: It's a cool form of protest. I've only been around it,

874
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: like once in Italy when they were mad at the

875
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: prime minister or something. Most famously, this method has been

876
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: used in Chile, but it's also been used all over

877
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: the world. These protests were spontaneous in that they were

878
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: not like organized or called for by a labor union

879
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: or by any other specific organization. Later the government is

880
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: going to be like, ah, it's the peronists they organized it.

881
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 4: That is, of course.

882
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, there's nothing to that as far as they

883
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 3: can tell.

884
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: One participant said that it just started that someone like

885
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: went out to their they just like walked outside of

886
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: the pot and pants started banging, and so their neighbors

887
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: started banging, and so then people all down the street

888
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: did it. So people who saw it on TV did

889
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: it's dope, and soon enough, yeah it's super organic. Yeah yeah,

890
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: soon enough. Basically, the entire country was mobilized under the

891
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: slogan kisevan totos they all must go or out with

892
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: them all to be more libal. Yeah okay, yeah yeah,

893
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: And and this was a slogan that then spread to

894
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 2: the rest of the anti globalization movement.

895
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 3: This was like.

896
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: Argentina was like our shit, this is like this is

897
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: our high water mark, Like, holy shit, people are going

898
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 2: to fucking do something with this, you know, because the

899
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: people of Argentina basically demanded the end of their entire

900
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: political and economic system, which they blamed correctly for gutting

901
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: their economy. And it wasn't like we demand communism or

902
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: anarchism or anything out there. They're like, they're like, we

903
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: don't like what's fucking happening.

904
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, simple, you know.

905
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: And this was both the working class and the middle

906
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 2: class in the streets together, which is frankly a rare thing.

907
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: Most of the working class was organized into unions and

908
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: grassroot networks. So interestingly, the middle class elements actually had

909
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: some of the more spontaneous rebellion vibe. Although then also

910
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: you had the unemployed Picutari's right, who were working class

911
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: and very rowdy. But you have all of these crazy,

912
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: rowdy middle class people. When we whitewashed the history of this,

913
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, they all went out in pots and pans,

914
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: and then the government decided I didn't want to be

915
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: the government anymore. Yeah, there's there's video footage of like

916
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: middle class people sipping their mate while kicking in the

917
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: glass panes of banks. Yes, it's so good.

918
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 4: Hey, you guys want to smash this bank right now? Like,

919
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 4: let's go get okay, listen, let's go get a couple

920
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 4: of lattes. Oh mate, yeah yeah, being silly, Yeah yeah,

921
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 4: I know. Mates. Yeah, they yerba yerba, so they go

922
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 4: through yerbra mate, you know. And uh and then let's

923
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 4: go let's go do some uh, let's go do some

924
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 4: direct action. You guys down, Yeah, I'm down. I love it.

925
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, why not?

926
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 3: Yeah?

927
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: And as best as I can tell, the protest didn't

928
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: start off specifically destructive, but they got more routy more

929
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: destructive when the state started shooting them with shit and

930
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: killing a bunch of them, which is a common enough pattern.

931
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: The reason the middle class was in the street was

932
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: because the middle class was being robbed.

933
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 3: Two.

934
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 2: The IMF cut funds off to Argentina in December two

935
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: thousand and one, and all the rich business owners were

936
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: like fearing a crash and causing a crash, so they

937
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: converted their pesos to dollars and started taking them out

938
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: of the country almost overnight. Multinational banks took forty million

939
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: dollars out of the country.

940
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 4: What yeah, damn.

941
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: So it's like it's one of these things where, like

942
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff, it's like collapses slow until it's.

943
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 4: Fast, yes, yeah, until you hit the cliff.

944
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 2: And like right now in the US, we're in like

945
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: slow mode, although we might not be the time you

946
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: hear this, you probably we're probably still.

947
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 3: In slow mode.

948
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and often just stays in slow mode. But then

949
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 2: sometimes cliff. So the government instituted what one journalist called

950
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 2: uh cortolito, the children's playpen, or more literally the small enclosure,

951
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: and they froze bank accounts, not just of the multinationals

952
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 2: that were like robbing the country, and taking all the

953
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 2: money out. They froze it all, so middle class people

954
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: were suddenly frozen out of their life savings. You could

955
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 2: only withdraw two hundred and fifty pasos a week. You

956
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: could only do that if your account was pesos not dollars.

957
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 4: So you can't pull your money out.

958
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: Yeah okay wow, and soon enough as the crisis pulls on,

959
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: you can't get any money out.

960
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:56,479
Speaker 4: Damn.

961
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 2: So people have just been robbed of their life saves

962
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 2: by greedy, fucking corporations working hand in hand with their government.

963
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: So they rioted. They smashed up banks while sipping mante.

964
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: And I don't think sipping mante is not a middle

965
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 2: class thing in Argentina. It's just such an evocative image.

966
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty normal. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's like coffee here,

967
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 4: like everyone drinks it. But yeah, I just I like,

968
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 4: what did what did y'all think was gonna happen? If you,

969
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 4: like you shut down the bank, like you telling me

970
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 4: my money in there? I just can't have it, Like

971
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 4: who's not fighting? Like who not gonna fight for that?

972
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: Like?

973
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah totally. I have worked my entire life for

974
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: the money that.

975
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 3: Is in that bank.

976
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't have it.

977
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: It's mine.

978
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, even if it's as simple as like I just

979
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 4: let's let's be as middle class as possible. I got Yeah,

980
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 4: I got a direct debit for my light build. Yeah

981
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 4: you're telling me I can't. So now I'm gonna have

982
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 4: a late fee. It is not that I don't have

983
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 4: the money. They gonna turn off my lights. Yeah, not

984
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 4: because I can't pay for it. Yeah, because you won't

985
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 4: let it go. Nah, fam we fight them.

986
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and so they all you know, they chanted

987
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: they almost go another banner read we are nothing. We

988
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 2: want to be everything. I think they allowed credit card transactions. Oh,

989
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: but you couldn't get cash out, and you couldn't convert

990
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: the money out of paesos. There's like a million different

991
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: things you can't do.

992
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 4: Yeah. It's kind of shady though, to be like what

993
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 4: you can do credit because it's like, okay, yeah, I

994
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 4: see what y'all doing. Yeah, that's even more shady. Noah,

995
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 4: I want to pay cash. No, you can't have cash,

996
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 4: you know what. Yeah, burns place down.

997
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: And most of the economy at that point was running

998
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 2: on cash for most people as best as I can tell.

999
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, whack.

1000
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 2: Soon enough, the unions call for general strikes. The government

1001
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: called for a state of emergency. So you know, both

1002
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: sides do what both sides do. Yeah, And it's like

1003
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: if you read the like Cliff's notes, they're like, and

1004
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 2: thirty nine people died in the riots. Cops killed thirty.

1005
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, say it right, say it correctly. Yeah.

1006
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, nine of them were kids. Many of them were looting,

1007
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 2: mostly for food. Shop owners and security guards killed another

1008
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 2: seven people.

1009
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 4: I would love I would love to pay for this.

1010
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, totally, yeah, exactly, I would.

1011
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 4: Absolutely love to buy this. Yeah.

1012
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if you knew this, but we all

1013
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 2: got robbed just now, of all of our money.

1014
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, go check your account, Go check your account right now,

1015
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 4: shop owner.

1016
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: Check, you take some cash out?

1017
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't take some cash out your cat, right, just

1018
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 4: to kind of low go get some twenties, try it, right,

1019
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 4: I'll wait here, I'll wait Yeah.

1020
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: And what's interesting is even still with all of this,

1021
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 2: these protests weren't just like everyone running around losing their mind.

1022
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 2: They weren't like there was like puppets and street feater

1023
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: and this like celebratory like we are coming together to

1024
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: do this thing, vibe the president. It was not manim

1025
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: at this point, this other guy who's just to not

1026
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 2: throw in too many names, I'm not gonna includ him

1027
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: because he's not he's not gonna last much longer. He

1028
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 2: tried to get the military to intervene, and the generals

1029
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 2: were like, not fucking up, We're not doing that.

1030
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 7: You are on your own, homeboy. Yeah, we did not

1031
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 7: sign up. But it is, yeah, exactly similar to the US.

1032
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 7: They have laws about how the military is only allowed

1033
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 7: to be used for domestic policing in like really specific ways,

1034
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 7: you know, and they probably could have claimed that one

1035
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 7: of those was happening. And the generals were like, we're

1036
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 7: not fucking touching it.

1037
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 4: It looks like a parade to me, homeboy.

1038
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 2: They yeah, totally.

1039
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 4: You shouldn't making the fall for this, Like, yeah, shouldn't

1040
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 4: have fun with day money, you understand, ask people get

1041
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 4: like that you messed with day money.

1042
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I tried to get some money out

1043
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: of earlier today and.

1044
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 4: It didn't work exactly. I should look, my son needed

1045
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 4: twenty dollars for his field trip. I couldn't give it

1046
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 4: to him. Yeah, it sounds like a U problem.

1047
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 2: And so it was the it was the Federal Police,

1048
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: the Border Guard, and the coast Guard out there killing protesters.

1049
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 2: So next the president goes to censor the news, of course,

1050
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: and the media secretary of the government is like, I'm

1051
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 2: not fucking the hell you got. Everyone is like this

1052
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: boat is sinking. I love it, Like, get away from me.

1053
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 2: You've got a fucking plague. So the whole time the

1054
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 2: president assumed it's the Peronists, so he he goes to

1055
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: the like Pironists, and he rather he goes on the

1056
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 2: news to beg the Pironists, this is fucking embarrassing. He

1057
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: gets on the news to beg the Pironas, who are

1058
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: not behind it, to please stop the protests. He will

1059
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 2: put them into the government as well if they will

1060
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 2: just stop the protests, and the Pronas are like, we're

1061
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: not fucking.

1062
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 4: Joining you either. I look like Drake, Like, bro, you

1063
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 4: done lost this one. Fam like there's no one you

1064
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 4: can call. I know that reference, all right, magbe I'm

1065
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 4: online enough for that, Yes, BBL. Pironis has already went viral. Man,

1066
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 4: there's nothing you can do.

1067
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 5: Hilarious.

1068
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so the president resigned and had to be

1069
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 2: evacuated by helicopter because he couldn't get out by car,

1070
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: and so the the news footage of him fleeing by

1071
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 2: helicopter is just like it's two thousand l.

1072
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 4: Right, yes, just coward puss as. Like if we was

1073
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 4: in a like we was in New Orleans, yo, puss as.

1074
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we were not fucking Yeah, They're like, yeah,

1075
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 2: we knew he sucks. Now we know you suck.

1076
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 4: Knew he was a coward.

1077
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: Argentina went through five presidents in three weeks. Oh wait,

1078
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 2: I don't think they were either.

1079
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 4: That was that was it? Listen, Margaret. That was a natural, guttural,

1080
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 4: realcity like everything is, but that was really natural, Like

1081
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 4: what yeah?

1082
00:56:58,800 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1083
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 4: Wow.

1084
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: And then importantly, and I actually think they did this.

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Speaker 2: I think this is actually why I have pulled out,

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00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 2: but I've read it in different confusing ways. They defaulted

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00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: on their debt to the IMF. They were like, we're

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00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: not going to fucking pay you and the rest of

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00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: the world who's in debt as the IMF was like

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00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: taking notes, they were like, wait, we can just wait.

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Speaker 4: You could just tell them ukpay.

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Speaker 2: Like what the fuck? That sounds amazing. Yeah. And the

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00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 2: thing that I'm most excited about about these protests, if

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00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 2: you ask me, is the alternatives to government that the

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00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 2: people formed these neighborhood assemblies, which is what seems to

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00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: happen all the time during these kinds of crises. We've

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00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 2: talked about it extensively during our episodes on the Russian

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00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 2: Civil War. For example, during the uprisings in Argentina, millions

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00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 2: of people formed into neighborhood assemblies to make decisions and

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00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 2: get things done in their areas in a bottom up fashion.

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00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: The occupation of factories spread across this country at this

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00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: time because hundreds of factories, well I thinks of factories

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00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: had been abandoned by the bosses who were like, oh

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00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: I'm in debt, everything sucks, I'm leaving, you know, And

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00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: so hundreds of factories with hundreds of workers each start

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00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 2: becoming occupied. Mutual aid networks are spreading too. Basically, the

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00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: Piccateo model exploded across the country. One assembly put out

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00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: a manifesto that I want to read because this is

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00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,959
Speaker 2: their like, it's just like up on their bulletin board.

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00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 2: It's not even a like we published this manifesto for

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00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 2: the world or whatever, right, and it's still fucking poetry.

1112
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: What is your dream? Do you remember? The nineteenth of December?

1113
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 2: That night you said enough of thieves. Yes, you shouted it.

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00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: I heard you, We all heard you. We also heard

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00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: you when you said, I no longer want to be

1116
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 2: who I was. I don't want them to decide any

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00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: more for me. I don't believe in any political leaders anymore,

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00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: nor in judges, nor in union leaders, nor in bankers,

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00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 2: nor big businessmen, nor policemen. I felt so much pride

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00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 2: to see you and me. It's just that I did

1121
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: not expect so much of you, even less of me.

1122
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 2: You surprised me because of that, because you pushed me.

1123
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 2: I am walking to find a way, banging pots, thinking

1124
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 2: out loud in assemblies with my neighbors. Where are we going?

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00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 2: You ask, Well, we are trying to create, with neighbors

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00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 2: a democratic and assembly based system from which our representatives

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00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: can come forth. The majority express a firm refusal of

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00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 2: political parties. There is no space for them in the assemblies.

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Speaker 4: It's gorgeous. I know, man, we need that. Yeah, oh

1130
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 4: my god, we have this. I just got like butterflies.

1131
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, god, damn, America needs that?

1132
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 2: And how And there's actually this thing about because Americans,

1133
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 2: especially white Americans, I think, see Argentina as like global South,

1134
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: it's all the same. It might as well be Mexico.

1135
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 2: And not that any of these places are replaceable or

1136
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 2: each other. But Argentina absolutely was like like we were

1137
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 2: saying earlier, it was it saw itself as like a

1138
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 2: Canada in Australia. It also had a really strong protection

1139
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 2: of private property. Like and so I think sometimes people

1140
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: see this and they're like, oh, well, people from other

1141
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: cultures are like just better at taking care of each other,

1142
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 2: and like, okay, sometimes that's true, but like this is

1143
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 2: still a country that like does it. You're not supposed

1144
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: to do this there. No, you're not supposed to create

1145
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 2: your own network of things. If they can do it there,

1146
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: it can be done, you know.

1147
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very They really take pride in their Spanish

1148
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 4: like European ancestry.

1149
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: So yes, yeah, And so every neighborhood in Buenos Aires

1150
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 2: had an assembly, and then soon it spread to the suburbs.

1151
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 2: There's two hundred assemblies in Buenos Aires alone, with an

1152
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: average of two hundred participants at their Every Sunday they

1153
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 2: had an assembly of assemblies with four thousand people meeting

1154
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 2: for like four hours. This is the downside to this

1155
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 2: particular style of vav coach and it takes.

1156
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 4: To go to meetin's time, and there's a lot of yeas.

1157
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. And they would break up into committees to address

1158
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,439
Speaker 2: certain issues like health and media, and they would throw

1159
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 2: parties to bring the community together and help people in

1160
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 2: neighborhoods like find each other. Each assembly works differently. Most

1161
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 2: are open to anyone in the neighborhood. One band, bankers

1162
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 2: and political parties, another band media. One older guy, a

1163
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 2: shopkeeper said about them, quote, never in my whole life

1164
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 2: did I give a shit for anyone else in my neighborhood.

1165
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 2: I was not interested in politics. But this time I

1166
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 2: realized I've had enough and I need to do something

1167
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 2: about it.

1168
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 4: Wow.

1169
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 2: And so it's not like this wasn't just like waiting

1170
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 2: under the surface that everyone was just like really close

1171
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 2: friends with all their neighbors. Yeah, they just made it happen.

1172
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 4: I do think too, to your point, there's even even

1173
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 4: among you know, more progressive kind of people of color.

1174
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 4: We often romanticize our ancestral lands are ansenstral people's as

1175
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 4: if they were as if like you know, being power

1176
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 4: hungry is like modern like no, like you know, like

1177
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 4: there were people roaming the African Savannah, you know, lobbying

1178
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 4: for power against their chieftains, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1179
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 4: so this so to think that, like you said, like

1180
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 4: under the surface, they all wanted to go back to

1181
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 4: this sort of you know, communal lively like, no, this

1182
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 4: was hard fought, and it was. And if you're pressed

1183
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 4: and when pressed to a position, you have people like

1184
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 4: this shopkeeper that was like oooh, I was out here

1185
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 4: getting mine. It just the system failed me and I

1186
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 4: realized I needed each other. We needed each other, you know.

1187
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 2: And for me, that's actually a huge sign of hope, yes,

1188
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 2: is that you look at this and you're like a

1189
01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: lot of people you could like look around and be

1190
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 2: like those that's my political enemy. Oh that's my political

1191
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 2: That guy voted for Trump, Oh that guy vote for Biden.

1192
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 2: I hate both of them. So I hate everyone, you know, Yeah,

1193
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 2: only I am like pure and radical.

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01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:09,919
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: And you're like the people who did this revolution in

1196
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 2: Argentina were the shopkeeper who hated every.

1197
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, this is Karen and Chad Man. Karen

1198
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 4: and Chad you got radicalized, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And some of the stuff is going to stick and

1200
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 2: some of it is not. And the neighborhood assemblies are

1201
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 2: not going to stick, but like it's a fucking start. Yeah,

1202
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 2: And so these assemblies were split. Some assemblies wanted to

1203
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 2: put pressure on government and reform it. Others wanted to

1204
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 2: restructure society around the assemblies themselves. But they were getting

1205
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 2: shit done and they were taking care of themselves and

1206
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 2: the you know, their neighborhoods, and they were taking over factories.

1207
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 2: And we're going to talk about those factory takeovers on Wednesday.

1208
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 2: The first we're going to talk about your show, which

1209
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 2: people probably probably already listening to. I hope, so they're

1210
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 2: not they're missing out, but I hope.

1211
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Speaker 3: So that's about.

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Speaker 2: And I have a substock you can read all the

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1221
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1222
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1228
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1229
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Speaker 2: is I have a book that kickstarts like next week.

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Speaker 2: Oh thanks, We'll see you on Wednesday, when we won't

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Speaker 2: have two more days have gone by in the saga. Yeah, Trump,

1241
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1242
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