1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: The following program has been prerecorded. Ronan, We're counting on 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: people to do the right thing. How many of us 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: ran into a driver that was an idiot? They were 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: being inconsiderate, they were on their cell phone. The Car Doctor, 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: you're saying you used your cruise lever to override the 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: laser control. Correct, that's exactly right, and that gave you 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: cruise function. Welcome to the radio home of ron Ananian, 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. Since this is where car owners the 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 11 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: the phone and call in the garage orders are open, 12 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: but I am here to take your calls at eight 13 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: five and now running. It's good to be here and 14 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: see everybody today. We'll see you on rad get was fist. 15 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: You can you can't see really, you really can't see 16 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: people on radio. But I'll do my best because that's 17 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: what I'm here for, and I'll do it this hour 18 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: and and next and going forward because I'm here for 19 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: you and that's what this radio shows all about. So 20 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: if you're so inclined, just give us a call. Let's 21 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: talk about them. Let's solve your car problem. Speaking of calls, 22 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: the phones are already getting a little back up. Let 23 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: me take one out of the gate. Gary from Delaware 24 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: fifteen VW PISOT and some front end problems. Go ahead, Gary, 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: thanks for calling the show today. What's going on? Sure? 26 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: Enjoy your show. I'm car guving back in the fifties 27 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: and sixties and uh, heyway, I got a facade. Okay, 28 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 1: that's the second one I've had. I bought it new 29 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: in seventeens or two thousand and fifteens and diesel that 30 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: was parked for two years basically, and uh uh why 31 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: was it? Why was it parked for two years? Just 32 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: they didn't sell it? Or okay, right, yeah, yeah, So anyway, 33 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: we don't get over seventy miles and now too much 34 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: come to del Marta Peninsula. Uh. I got it out 35 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: on the highway, had about seventy This is the new 36 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: tires that I had quite a few miles on it. 37 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: Uh you know, a little bit of vibration in the 38 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: steering wheel. Um, so I was gonna take a trip 39 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: to California. Took out my old tar store, had the 40 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: wheels balance, got out on the Interstate it wasn't you know, 41 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: I still had it. Took it to the fire Stone 42 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: store Indianapolis, hadn't balanced. Yeah, still the same took it 43 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: the Voltiswagen dealer in California. They got fairly close, um, 44 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: but still had it. Seemed to get worse on the 45 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: way back. Um. Putting new tires on it at about 46 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: fifty thousand miles or so, and the same deal I 47 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: hadn't balanced two at your times, moved h put the 48 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: front to back. So I thought, maybe it's the rotors. 49 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: So I replaced the rotors, new rotors. Uh, same thing. 50 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: So you got when this vibration occurs, what speed does 51 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: this come in at? Well, right now it's coming in 52 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: at and this is cruising along at sixty eight miles 53 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: an hour without touching the brake. That's correct, okay, and 54 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: putting a brake on. Well, at one trip when I 55 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: was in the mountains, it seemed to me like it 56 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: was worse going up or coming down the hill. It 57 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: made a little bit of difference. Well, but you're not 58 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: doing six. You're not doing sixty eight going up and 59 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: down the hills, are you. Well, yeah, the apid was 60 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, on high sixty eight you can do that. Um, 61 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: God bless you. So you really are from the fifties 62 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: and the sixties. You think this thing is a race 63 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: car and seventy I'm thinking of different kinds of mountains, 64 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: I guess. So yeah, Um so obviously, if it happens, 65 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: let me let me say it like this, If it 66 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: happens while you're hitting the brake, all right, then I 67 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: suspect we've got a brake pulse, you know, a break issue, 68 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: something related to rotors. Maybe we've got a wheel hub problem, 69 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: something like that. The fact that it's set two years 70 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: I don't think has any predominance here because you've changed 71 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: the rotors, the rotating part of the suspension that might 72 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: have rusted, and you've changed the tires. So you know, 73 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: I ultimately come back to this. Whenever I'm chasing a 74 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: wheel balance problem is I always look at a couple 75 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: of things. If I were to break the wheels down, 76 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: you know, take the tires off the wheels, break everything down, 77 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: and just go to balance the wheels. The naked wheels 78 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 1: by themselves, how do they balance? How do they look? 79 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: You know? Do they I thought of that, but I 80 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: haven't been. I haven't got it done. That's one, and 81 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: and then and then what brand of tires do you 82 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: have are you putting on it? Well, it came a Continentals, 83 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: which on I had a two thousand and thirteen facade 84 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: just like this. This is closest thing I can find, 85 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: the top of the line. I put a hundred thousand 86 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: miles on that before I sold out back the Volkswagen 87 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: and never had an issue. I put Continental back on 88 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: it Proticiphe half put good Year the top top line 89 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: good Year tire, which I really like. It's been very 90 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: smooth and nice up to sixty eight. I was an hour. 91 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: But I just don't think it's the tires um And 92 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: why don't you think it's the tires, just out of curiosity, 93 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: because you've you've changed the original conton Hills and you 94 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 1: did it with the original conton Hills, and I've changed 95 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: in front to back and it's the same thing. The matter. 96 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: It seems like the front or backs on it. But nothing, nothing, nothing, Well, 97 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: it could be a way we're gonna go there in 98 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: a minute, but you know, could it't? But but nothing 99 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: seems to make a difference here, right right? Okay, So 100 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: in other words, you've you've played with tires you've played 101 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: with balance, Nothing makes a difference. A lot of tire 102 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: shops have balanced. At the closest that came there was 103 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: a Volkswagen dealer in Riverside, California, balanced him and that 104 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,239 Speaker 1: was the best that it had been the original tires. 105 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: So let me ask you, let me answer my question though. 106 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: Does does balancing the tires ever make a difference? Not? Really? 107 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: It could change the speed maybe a mile or two, 108 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes it's sometimes as seventy. That always seems 109 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: to happen in that area. If you get it going 110 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: mass enough, they'd like it pretty well, doesn't doesn't You 111 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: don't feel it when you when you put them on 112 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: the balancer. You know, if somebody comes into the shop 113 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: and said I got a vibration, I would always look 114 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: are they at a balance? Are they at a balance? 115 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: You know? What are they like before? And what are 116 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: they like after? Because I agree with you this this 117 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: this may not be in the tire, but I'm just 118 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: trying to get some kind of diagnostic routine here where 119 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: it's not let's try this, let's try you know. It's 120 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: like there's there's always a method in a in a 121 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: procedure to follow, and I just want to try and 122 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: get you into that groove if I can. I even 123 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: had I had him balanced at a tire store in 124 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: evans Hille, Indienda on another trip out there, and I 125 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: had him. I said, you pull all those weights off 126 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: and start from scratch, and they did and it shocked 127 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: the same problem right seeing, I would have done it differently. 128 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: I would have said, the balance on all four, tell 129 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: me what it is, and then rebalance them if they 130 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: need to be. Because you know it's listen and there's 131 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: no rule that says this can't be more than one 132 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: component creating the problem. If you follow my drift, you 133 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: know this could this could very well be. This could 134 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: very well be that the tires keep getting moved around, 135 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: balance changed, and the tires are an issue, and this 136 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: this could be a drive line um vibration. So is 137 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,559 Speaker 1: this a sticker and automatic? No, it's an automatic, okay. 138 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: So if it's alloy wheels that are pretty deeply dished, uh, 139 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: the same as my other one that's exactly the same 140 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: car as the two thirteen and never had a wheel 141 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: balance issue with it. All right, So let me ask 142 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: you this question and then I'm gonna go. If you're 143 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: cruising along at seventy miles it vibrates, right, Yeah, you 144 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: feel okay? If you put it in neutral and coast, 145 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: what happens. Well, I'll try that, right, because I can't 146 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: say I think I have tried that, but I've tried 147 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: so many things and over the year. I mean, this 148 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: has been going on for two years now, all right, 149 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: But you know where I'm going with this, right. Remember 150 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: Remember remember muscle cars in the sixties and the seventies, 151 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: when you had a bad you joint, Right, what did 152 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: you do? You thought you had a bad you joint? 153 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: You you know, it kind of came in and wherever 154 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: it came in forty miles an hour, two miles an hour. 155 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: You know, I always popped it into neutral. If the 156 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: vibration diminished, then I knew it was directly related to 157 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: the load I was putting on the drive train, not 158 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: necessarily the rotational speed of the tires in the vehicle. 159 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: Same thing, same same thing, different model. I do remember 160 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: doing some of the mild hills on some of these 161 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: interstates that that whether you had your foot in the 162 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: gas or off the gas made that at a different 163 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: different speed. So if that's the case that you find 164 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: it's underload when the when the drive train is loaded, 165 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: then we'll start to think about could we have a 166 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: cracked engine mount, cracked or bad transmount, or could we 167 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: have a bad half shaft? And that's possible. How many 168 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: models are on this car? I think it's got about 169 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: but new doesn't mean good, brother, and just I just 170 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: want to I just want to stick this in there 171 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: to to to make things a little, keep the keep 172 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: the playing field level. You know, just because their a 173 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: tire shop A doesn't mean they've got the latest, greatest 174 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: equipment and B doesn't mean they know what they're doing, 175 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: just just saying um, and I would tell you that 176 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: the next place you go to, just you know if 177 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: they've got if you can find a shop that A 178 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: has Hunter balance equipment. I love my Hunter stuff and 179 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: I'm not believing. I don't rep for Hunter, and they 180 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: don't advertise on this show, but Hunter makes a heck 181 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: of a wheel balancer. And one of the nice things 182 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: about their latest creation, their balancer that I use in 183 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: the shop up is it's got a printer. Do you 184 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: know I can print before and after so I can 185 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: hand somebody and go here's what it was, Here's what 186 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: it is, and I've got to tell you, well, yeah, 187 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 1: And you know the nice thing is, now I can 188 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: sit there and say, here's what it was, here's what 189 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: it is. I know this machine, this machine has solved 190 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: problems like this for me. And now I can say, 191 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: if it still has a vibration, now it's something else. 192 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: And now we can go look somewhere else. And now 193 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: we will go look somewhere else, and at least we've 194 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: got the confidence. So I think you've got to find 195 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: one guy down there on the uh where is it 196 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: the del Marva Peninsula? Um uh, and let them start 197 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: with it. You know, there's a tire shop down there, 198 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: and I can't think of who it is he advertises locally, 199 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: uh down there. His name just popped out of my Yeah. 200 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: Have you talked to them sponsors? Yeah? Have you talked 201 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: to him? Don't you go talk to him? I've I've 202 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: I've made him inadvert me. You said, you said, if 203 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: the doesert worse underload, it's what I'm thinking. It's more 204 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: drive train, drive train and axles. Yeah, okay, yeah, Well 205 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: it's not real hard to replaces it, but let's find 206 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: out first, and then we have to have a conversation 207 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: about parts and prices and what are we gonna use 208 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 1: and no after market junk and things like that. We've 209 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: got to we've got to have some known entities here. 210 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: But try that. Go talk to the go talk to 211 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: in and out see what they have to say. This way, 212 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: at least you've got one cook in the kitchen, one 213 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: guy working its way through the problem, and I bet 214 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: you they'll help you get to the bottom of it 215 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: and stop trying to do seventy on that peninsula. Is 216 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: not enough room there, all right, brother, right, that's why 217 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: that's why the car had probably why I realized this happened. Yeah, 218 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: I can imagine it didn't initially on the roosin it didn't. 219 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: Didn't get it about seventy And also think about stripping 220 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: the wheels down to just bear wheel and try balancing 221 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: the wheels and see how that comes out. And then um, 222 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: see how that works as well. So give me a call, 223 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: let me know how it works out. And if anybody 224 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: has any says they know where to find me. You 225 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: have yourself a good rest of the day, and thanks 226 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: for calling Gary, I appreciate it. I'm runing any of 227 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: the car doctor. We are back Right after this, the 228 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: Alzheimer's Association and the AD Council present the story of 229 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: Cynthia and Ed. My mother was always very active and independent, 230 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: and she was familiar with her neighborhood. But one day, 231 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: out of the blue, she stopped at the stop sign 232 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: for much longer than usual, and she didn't know whether 233 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: she should go forward or turn, or just stay at 234 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: the stop sign. She wasn't even really sure where she 235 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: was at. She was very concerned. It was very unsettling 236 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: for her. It's for important for you to talk to 237 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: someone about it, to bring the family in on it. 238 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: I saw so much better after my son told me, Mom, 239 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: I don't want you to worry. I'd be afraid. I'll 240 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: be there for you and we'll figure it out. 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S. 259 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: Forest Service, your state Forrester, and the ad Council. What's 260 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: more fun than listening to Ron and any in the 261 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: Car Doctor and getting that car fixed? Right? A five 262 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: five five zero zero zero. Give Ron a call? Now 263 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: back to Ron, Hey, and away we go, rond of 264 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: the car Doc. Let's go over to Dale and Maindale. 265 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. How can I help? Hey? Ron? 266 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: How you doing today, sir? What's going on? Thanks for 267 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: calling the show? Yeah, So I reached out um with 268 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: some challenges that I had for a two thousand seventeen 269 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: Cheep Cranch Cherokee rear. UM, sorry, the rear differential. I'm 270 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: not a guy guy on the sense that I do 271 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: repairs for myself. UM, and I was looking for insight 272 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: with regards to whether or not that model had some 273 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: challenges that UM, I should understand before bringing him back 274 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: to the dealers. Well, what exactly what kind of problems 275 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: are you having? Deal because there isn't there is, well, 276 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: there maybe and there likely is an open recall on 277 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: that truck for the rear action. You're aware of that, 278 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: I am not. And UM, it's lights. Very shortly after 279 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: purchasing the vehicle, you know, lights came on the dashboard 280 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: indicating UM four wheel drive concerns, and I would take 281 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: the car for regular maintenance and they would reset the codes. 282 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: And the most recent dealership that I went to suggested 283 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: that they couldn't reset the codes because there is a 284 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: problem and it was gonna be a little expensive around 285 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: And so I guess in the end, UM, I inquired 286 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: with Cheap with Chrysler about UM, whether they're already known 287 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: concerns with the you know, with what I just described. 288 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: They indicated none However, I've been a long term Jeep 289 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: owner with a number of vehicles vehicles over the past 290 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: twenty years, and I want to say two things. One 291 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: is that UM, the original dealer, didn't dealership didn't really 292 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: address the concern early on, but Chrysler stepped up and 293 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: they're offering to UM fix the repairs because of being 294 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: a long term owner. And so I guess two parts. 295 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: One is that finding the right mechanic to address and 296 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: assess the problem, but also a long term relationship with 297 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: UH with with a manufacturer also helps. Yeah, you know, 298 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: and I like the way you think too. I like 299 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: the way you explain it. But I can hear your 300 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: thought process and you're a guy after my own heart 301 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: because I think I think the relationship, well, there's a 302 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: lot of things, the relationship in life with everybody. Do 303 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: you come in contact with us, what makes the day? 304 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: And you know, in doing so with a manufacturer like this, 305 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely the right way. And to your 306 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: to your point, yeah, Chrysler did step up. So basically, 307 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: what you're saying is it's a seventeen Grand Cherokee. There's 308 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: some lights coming on christ. They're saying it's because they're 309 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: going to make some repairs to the rear wiring harness 310 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: and that's that's that's yes, I apologize, could not mean 311 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: to cut you off, but terminology is tough for me. 312 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: It was you know, they say, the real differential harnessing, 313 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: you know, a component, and yes, they're they're looking to 314 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: fix that for me. Okay, and let them, you know, 315 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: let's let's let them. The question is the thing you 316 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: want to understand is well, obviously you know there's no 317 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: cost at this point, but you know, ask them, is 318 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: this a manufacturing defect, you know? Or is this something 319 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: that came about because of something you've done in the 320 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: way you've operated the vehicle, maybe in the environment, maybe 321 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: you know the roads you go down. Just so you're 322 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: aware of what caused this. Sometimes it's nice to know 323 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: the cause, you know the effect, now know the cost, 324 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: so you don't repeat it if you can. That's number one. 325 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: Number two there there, you know, I believe there's two. 326 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: One was just an update of the other. But somewhere 327 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: around February of eighteen, they came out with a recall 328 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: notice and it was more along the lines of customer satisfaction. 329 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: They had some problems with some of the rear axles 330 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: in these seventeens. Uh, depending upon when it was built 331 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: and if it was built between a certain time period. 332 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: I think it was February of seventeen through November of eighteen, 333 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: or I'm sorry, November of seventeen. It went from I 334 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: think it went from February seventeen to November of seventeen. 335 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: If it was built in that time frame, then the 336 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: vehicle might have an issue with the rear axle, and 337 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: they issued a a recall for it where they were 338 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: replacing the entire rear So you know, you may want 339 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: to find out about that as well. Um uh, you know, 340 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: just because while it's there, that has nothing to do 341 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: with your harness. But you know, obviously it's a potential 342 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: problem for the rear axle because they had issues with 343 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: the gears and the components the guts of the rear 344 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: axle assembly. That makes sense, it does, and it's so helpful. 345 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: Thank you. You're very welcome. You know, think in mind, 346 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: keep in mind, you know, look at a bicycle, right 347 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: the back of a bicycle has a gear set with 348 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: a chain. Chrysler saying that the gear set in the 349 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: chain has an issue and they've issued a recall for it, 350 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: and you know, maybe you're not in that, but you know, 351 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: what the heck you're in there, you might as well, 352 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, take a shot at it. If it is, 353 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: get it all done at once. And then the last 354 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: thing I know of that's common with this, uh is 355 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: this a V six Dale, This is the V six engine, 356 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: so it's the three six. So there was a clip 357 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: on one of the heat shields where the wiring harness 358 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: came down out of the trans control module and they 359 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: issued a bolton for that some time ago that talked 360 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: about moving the harness away from the exhaust so it 361 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't melt. So I asked them to look at that 362 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: to just say, hey, listen, is you're aware of a 363 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: bulletin that talks about wiring harness out of the TCM 364 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: or the trans control module. There's a safety clip that 365 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: goes on in place. They added a clip to the 366 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: models later on so it wouldn't rub against the man 367 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: a fold and melt with a pipe and melt. Cr 368 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: vehicles eligible for that. And if it is, get that done, 369 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: and then you're all sitting rady to go appreciate the call. Dale, Thanks, 370 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: and I have a good rest of the day. I'm 371 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: running any of the Car Doctor. We're back right after this, 372 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: you know, running any of the Car Doctor by the 373 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: way eighty five. I don't I don't need to make 374 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: it seem like it's picked on Chrysler week. But the 375 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: last Cohler with with the Jeep and it got me thinking. 376 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: So we had a two thousand eight Jeep Grand Cherokee 377 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: in the shop not too long ago, and the complaint 378 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: was and this was really one of those Obi wan 379 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: Kenobi moments, you know, help me, car Doctor, You're my 380 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: only hope. It was really and it was a two 381 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: thousand eight Grand Cherokee that the young lady, you know, 382 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: she lives in Hoboken, New Jersey, Hoboken down by the water, 383 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: the birthplace of Frank Sinatra, right, the chairman of the board. 384 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: And she parks the car outside her townhouse complex and 385 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: when it rains, the horn goes off. That's been the 386 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,239 Speaker 1: problem for the past year. Well it's gotten to be 387 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: so bad. You know, there's a couple of things in 388 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: Jersey that that Jersey attitude thing, and you know, the 389 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: people are like annoyed, like they want to sleep, and 390 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: she's starting to get notes on her on the car, like, 391 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: you know, if you don't fix this bleep and bleep 392 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: in vehicle, we're going to find you and kill you 393 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: like it's bad. Okay, We're gonna break your windows. We're 394 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: gonna beat you up like you gotta get the car 395 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 1: to stop blowing the horn. She's taken into a couple 396 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: of mechanics, she's taken it to the dealer. Everybody's worked 397 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: on it. Help me, Obi wan kenobi, You're my only hope. 398 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: Here we go. So we go on Mr Toad's wild ride. 399 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: I get it in the shop, I scan it, I 400 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: go through the usual deal and maybe he kills a 401 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: harsh word. But that's a Jersey thing, right, that's a 402 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: people get angry, they want to sleep, they're tired. You know, 403 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: they'll get up at three o'clock. Well, it's a whole 404 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: another story. So you know, I go through it. There's 405 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,239 Speaker 1: no codes. Codes are a nice thing to look for 406 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: you Will it help you? Give you a starting point, 407 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: give you a place to go. No fault codes in 408 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: the car. So I try to duplicate it, and you know, 409 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: I hit the car with I hit the back of 410 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: the car with water, hit the front of the car 411 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: with water because there's no rule that says it's the 412 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: back latch. They think it's the back latch because the 413 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: brother had changed the latch and then it was the 414 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: wrong part. It went to the dealer, and the dealer 415 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: put another part in it, and everybody's got their hands 416 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: in the pot. It's it's we're back there. I love 417 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: Lucy and who put the yeast in the bread? That 418 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: whole thing again, And you know, they think it's in 419 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: the back of the vehicle. I'm like, yeah, it could be. 420 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: It could be anywhere. You know, any door, any hood 421 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: turns the turns the horn on. There's a skim system, 422 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: and you know, any any door that opens, hood that 423 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: opens could create this false alarm. I hit the car 424 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: with water, nothing happens. I just don't have the conditions right. 425 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: So on a on a gamble, I'm i'm I'm reaching 426 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: down into the bag of tricks and in my Jedi toolbag. 427 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: It's let's do a visual. Let's take a look at things. 428 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: So I pulled the back panel off the door and 429 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: the wiring harness comes out off the glass. Now there's 430 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: two sensors in the back of this car. There's a 431 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: sensor and a release for the latch glass, which is 432 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: just the glass, and then there's a sensor and a 433 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: release for the latch for the entire door, the piece 434 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: you lift up. So I pulled the back plastic trim 435 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: panel off and I'm I'm looking at different things. I 436 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: want to visually inspect things, and I've learned to look. 437 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: And there's a bit of corrosion under the sixteen gang 438 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: connector where it goes through the bulkhead back to the 439 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: top of the headliner. Oh, look at that. And my 440 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: wire colors are violet brown and violet orange, and the 441 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: violet brown has schmutz. We all know what schmutz is, right, 442 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: technical term. It's got some schmutz on it. And I, 443 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: you know, I've got to I've got to clean this up. 444 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: So I clean that up. You know, that could be it. 445 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: And I look, where did the moisture come from? And 446 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: I looked the third breake light is just up to 447 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: the top, and I pulled the third break light out, 448 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: and the gasket has a break in it so that 449 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: it's not ceiling. So water comes in through the third 450 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: break light folds right on that sixteen gang connector and 451 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: corrode the terminals. Well, gee, that's gotta be it. Yeah, 452 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: not so much, because something inside of me said, you 453 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: get to be a pessimist being a mechanic because you're like, now, 454 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: that was too easy, right, So I said, let me 455 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: just poke around a little bit. I got the panel apart, 456 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: let me just look one more time. You know, you 457 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: kind of think about it and you sort of start 458 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: talking in your head, what if that's not it? What 459 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: did I miss? Why don't you know the latch in 460 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: the bottom of the door, the one that lifts the 461 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: big door, there's a connector, there's a sensor. I pulled 462 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: the connector out, corroded like a battery. I mean, horrible, 463 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: and it's really you know, it's kind of Chrysler's fault 464 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: because they mounted the sensor on the latch vertical, so 465 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: it's straight up. Now where does water come from? It 466 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: comes from straight up when it rains. Where does it 467 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: fall to straight down? Hello, So for the past twelve years, 468 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: water because the door isn't perfectly sealed, is peeing water 469 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: down inside the door. That's where the drains are. In 470 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: the bottom of the door. The entire sensors corroded. Green. 471 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: I put a sensor in the car. I clean up 472 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: the terminal. I tried getting a new connector. Nobody had one. 473 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: It was an S twelve ninety, nobody had one, and 474 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: UM put it into the latch in the car. And 475 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: you know, cars fixed and and just you know, it 476 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: just takes looking. It just takes You've got to think 477 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,239 Speaker 1: outside the box. That's what part. That's part of what 478 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: order repair is. And you've got to be able to 479 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: sit there and say, hey, you know, if it's not this, 480 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: what if it's that. You guys always ask me, what's 481 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: the diagnostic routine? You go till you're done, and when 482 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: you're done, you go a little bit more and you 483 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: keep looking until you know you fixed. Then you remember record, 484 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: write it down, you move on to the next one. 485 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: But you never stopped. And that's part of fixing cars. 486 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: And that's what you gotta remember. Zero run any of 487 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: the car doctor. I'll be back right after this. Okay, 488 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: let's get over and talk to Gary in New Hampshire. Gary, 489 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: you're out with the car doctor. What's going on? Yes, sir, 490 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: I've got an OH six Dodge truck. UM within five 491 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: point seven leader, UM guy drove to work. The truck 492 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: has been running fine right along did his shift at work, 493 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: came out at the end of his shift, and truck 494 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: wooden styles started very very hard. Uh will barely run 495 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: it all And there's three items that were all suddenly present. 496 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 1: The old pressure gates's on zero, the electronic throttle control 497 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: light is blinking on the dash, and the check engine 498 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 1: light is on what what? What fault code did you 499 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: get out of it? Pardon me? Did you get any 500 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: fault codes out of it? There was one code in 501 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: there P zero three three five, which is crank censor. 502 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: Crank censor circuit a malfunction, right, and if you clear 503 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: the fault, does the fault go away and the truck 504 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: run normal? Well? Actually I did not do that. Um okay, 505 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: so let's do this first thing I did. I did 506 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: change the crank position sensor because it's pretty easy to 507 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: do on that and that made no difference at all. 508 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: All right, So let's do this. Put the put the 509 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: original crank censor back in it. All right? Do you 510 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: have a lap scope you're a repair shop. Um, yes, 511 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: I do, but I do not have access to it 512 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: right now. I'd love to see is that crank sensor 513 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: putting out a signal? Because there's there's there's two part 514 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: stabilities here. There's I'm thinking that you know that the 515 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 1: I'm thinking that it's it's it's sending out a a 516 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: crank sensor fault related or it's a P zero three 517 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: three five. I've also seen the three three five gets 518 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: set by a CAM sensor issue. So I'd love to 519 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: see and I know, yeah, and then I know it 520 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,959 Speaker 1: sounds crazy, but chryslers do this. I've run into this before. 521 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: I'd love to see a wave of crank and cam 522 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: compared to each other. Are they correct? All right? And 523 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: that may be why not changing the other? You know, 524 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: changing one not the other got you nowhere? Or maybe 525 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: a case where now you know clear your fault. Does 526 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: that clear the fault and turn it away and now 527 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: all of a sudden the truck runs normal. So but 528 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: let's let's let's let's let's back up. I'd rather see 529 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: this as tempting as it is to now just go 530 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: out and put a camp sensor in it. Um. I'd 531 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: rather see this as let's let's let's follow the diagnosis. 532 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: Let's wave the cam and the crank. Do we have 533 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: proper signal? If we do, great, let's move on, let's 534 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: go look at freeze frame. And I don't think freeze 535 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: frame is gonna show you a whole heck of a 536 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: lot here, because I think it happened like that so 537 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: fast that you know, free split off running completely and 538 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: then it was the second you gut in it to 539 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: leave work. You know, freeze frame has like a seven 540 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: second delay to it, so it's not always right on 541 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: top of the problem just as it occurred. And it's 542 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: only supposed to show you the approximate conditions of what 543 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: the vehicle was under when it happened. But let's go 544 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: look at it. So you know, sometimes you know that 545 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: you know the drill, Gary, Sometimes diagnosis is due diligence, right, 546 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: It's it's just looking at the things that you know 547 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: we're good, because then eventually you find the things that 548 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: you know we're bad. Do you have you ever heard 549 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: of anything that has those three items in common? Yes, 550 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: the vehicles and failsafe mode. So if if and I've 551 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,719 Speaker 1: seen this, I can't say that I've seen oil pressure, 552 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: but I've seen thrautle control, check engine, and then I've 553 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: seen check engine and oil pressure. They do funny things, 554 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: especially Chrysler um under conditions like this. So let's go 555 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: back clear the fault after we look at freeze frame, 556 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,959 Speaker 1: scope it with the original sensor, scope the cam sensor 557 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: and does the does the problem return? This could be 558 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: and I hate to say the ugly word and intermittent 559 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: okay um. And then the other thing to be aware 560 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: of is is this a higher mileage older Chrysler. Yeah, 561 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: about And this could be. This could be the beginning 562 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: of a bad timing chain. Chain gets a little stretch, 563 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: caught it at the right moment. Crank signal was erratic, 564 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: it was too far spaced out against the cam signal. Bang, 565 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: set the fault code. And if you don't see the 566 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: fault again, if the problem disappears in the truck runs normal, 567 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: then you may want to remember in the old days, 568 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: we would you know, bring the bring it around the 569 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: top and then cranking around the opposite cylinder in the 570 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: firing order, and then load the chain and see how 571 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: much rotation we get before the cam actually moved. Yes, well, 572 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: you you might want to try that, because you might 573 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: you might have the beginnings of a warrant chain all right, 574 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: although oh six, this is probably a double roller. But 575 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: you know, again back to due diligence. Okay, um, you know, 576 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: let's see where, let's see where else we go. And 577 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: now are you are you going into this O B 578 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,719 Speaker 1: D two Are you going into it your make model? Um? 579 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: I haven't gotten that far the truth? Well, no, when 580 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: you pulled codes, you said you pulled codes. When you 581 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: pulled codes, how did you do it? Did you use 582 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: an O B D two scan tool or did you 583 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: go in looking at oh six dodge rama tool that's 584 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: all just tool. This croaked like on Christmas Eve. Terrible. Okay, yeah, 585 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: it's always the worst, right, you know, Let's let's go 586 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: in and let's do a and and just as a suggestion, 587 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: my experience has been I've started doing this. I'm starting 588 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: to do this now with regular customers. Once a year, 589 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: we we make them do a stick out their tongue 590 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: and say, ah, where we'll do a complete vehicle scan, 591 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, we'll we'll plug in something that we'll do 592 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: an all module scan if the car supports it, and 593 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: we'll look at every module for any fault, whether it's history, 594 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: whether it's it's pending, whether there's nothing there, and then 595 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: we'll print it, store it in a file and and 596 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: two months later six months later, a year later, they 597 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: come back with another problem. We go, well, here was 598 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,719 Speaker 1: the beginning of it. You know, Um, cars are started, 599 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: cars are starting to and have become you know a 600 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: little bit of stick out your tongue and say ah, 601 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: you know and and and you know to look at it. 602 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: And we don't charge a lot for it. To tell 603 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: you the truth. That helps us more than it helps 604 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: them because it gives us information. So I would, I 605 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: would definitely do an all module scan on this. What 606 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: sort of scans will do you have in the shop? 607 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: I am actually it's my guy that works with me. 608 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: He does that part for me. I'm more or less, 609 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: I'm almost retired. I'm kind of just running the place 610 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: at this point. So I have to have him here 611 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: to answer those questions. You know. Hopefully he's got to 612 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: scan to a little duel your make model stuff, and um, 613 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, do that just just and just and just again. 614 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: You know again. Sometimes diagnosing is not looking for what's wrong. 615 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: It's it's looking for what's right, and that narrows down 616 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: what can be wrong, you know, process of elimination. All right, absolutely, 617 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: try those things. Call me back next week, let me 618 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: know if you need more thanks sir, You're very welcome. 619 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: You take good care. Bye bye. I'm running any of 620 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: The Car Doctor will be back right after this. On 621 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: a day I was bawn. So we're back, and I 622 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: want to just close out this hour. I want to 623 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: give you some food for thought and something to think about. 624 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 1: We talked a lot about your car, your data this hour, 625 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: and we've also talked a lot about you know, electric 626 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: cars in the past, and just keep in mind that 627 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: one of the things we have to be aware of 628 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,720 Speaker 1: is all these technological changes, technological technology, all the changes 629 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: with technology in the car are are going to create 630 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: different approaches in diagnosis. And there's an underlying current running 631 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: through the industry now that we don't really talk a 632 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: lot about here on the Car Doctor, but it's there, 633 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 1: and that is the lab scope. And if you talk 634 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,359 Speaker 1: to a lot of technicians, some of them don't know 635 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: really what a lab scope is. Some of them use it, 636 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: in my opinion, too much, some of them don't use 637 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: it enough, and there's going to be a need to 638 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: balance and use it more on a regular, consistent basis. 639 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, um, I really believe that 640 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 1: time has come now where we're going to probably want 641 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: to pre away our vault meters and use a lab 642 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: scope to get in the habit of knowing the scope 643 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: and using the scope, because the labscope is a very 644 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: precise measuring device for those of you that aren't familiar 645 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: with it, to you know, measure the circuit, to to 646 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: measure voltage and time to see what exactly is going on, 647 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: things that a standard digital voultometer won't do. So, if 648 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: you are a technician or you're a weekend warrior and 649 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: you want to get deeper into cars and you want 650 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,399 Speaker 1: to know where the future is gonna be, it's gonna 651 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: be in scopes, lab scopes, and there's a lot of 652 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: manufacturers out there. There's a lot of choices you you 653 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: want to take some first steps. You want to get 654 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: familiar with it. You want to start doing this now. 655 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: And I encourage you to do this now because to 656 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: wait until you've got the problem car never really works out. 657 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: You wait until the problem car happens. And now you're 658 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: trying to learn how to use a new tool. If 659 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: you haven't used one or if you haven't picked it 660 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: up in a while, now is a great time to 661 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: get reacquainted and you're trying to you know, how does 662 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: this work? And you're putting it on a broken car? 663 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,439 Speaker 1: And you know how I feel about that you put 664 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: something on a broken car when you're trying to diagnose it. Jeez, 665 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: that the tool? Is it, the way it's hooked up? 666 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: Is it? Is it the car that I'm trying to fix? 667 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: What exactly is going on here? So you want to 668 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: take some first steps and get to know your scope, 669 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: either again or for the first time. You want to 670 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: understand the scope, look and see how does it work 671 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: when it's when, when you're when you're running it on 672 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: d C And does it change when you run on 673 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: a C. Scopes have been known to do that. Does 674 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: it look different? Does the pattern look different when you 675 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: turn off the lights in the shop or the garage 676 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: because fluorescent lights will play havoc with lab scope. So 677 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: you understand the environment that the scope is in and 678 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: how it's working. You know, you want to understand the 679 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: way as as we say, and just get used to 680 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: it and what what what does good look like? That's 681 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: really where you want to be with it. And just 682 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 1: keep in mind that there's a lot of information out there. 683 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: There's a lot of different things to go forth and 684 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: and and understand what a lab scope is. But ultimately 685 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: you're going to find that does electric cars come around, 686 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: and they are coming around more and more, you're going 687 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: to need a lamp scope to diagnose them as well. 688 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,919 Speaker 1: Until the next time, I'm Rondanini in the car doctor, 689 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: reminding you good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See