WEBVTT - We Read the Ghislaine Maxwell Transcripts So You Don’t Have To! 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, folks, it is Monday, August twenty fifth, and Robock

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<v Speaker 1>and I were planning to do a dramatic reading of

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<v Speaker 1>the Glain Maxwell transcript of her interview, but it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out wasn't a whole lot of dramatic anything in there.

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<v Speaker 1>And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and

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<v Speaker 1>TJ and Roves. People keep waiting for bombshell, bombshell, bombshell,

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<v Speaker 1>something right to be dropped. Look, there was some it

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<v Speaker 1>was some fascinating reading, but once again, there's no bombshell

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<v Speaker 1>information that people are waiting on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we actually spent the weekend reading through the transcript,

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<v Speaker 2>so you don't have to.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds terrible, this is what we do with our weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>But actually that is what we did for a large

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<v Speaker 2>part of our weekend because look, and it wasn't I

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<v Speaker 2>actually was kind of dreading it a little bit. And

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<v Speaker 2>then you had a bit of a head start on me,

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<v Speaker 2>and you said to me, Babe, if I were actually

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<v Speaker 2>on vacation or on the beach, I keep reading this

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<v Speaker 2>and because almost it was fiction, I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and say it read like a fiction novel

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<v Speaker 2>to me because she was taking well, some creative licenses

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<v Speaker 2>with that goes and flies directly in the face of

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<v Speaker 2>what we've heard from victims, what we've certainly heard in

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<v Speaker 2>court transcripts and court documents, and her version of events

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<v Speaker 2>certainly makes a lot of folks look really rosy, including herself,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's certainly not the information we've received from the

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<v Speaker 2>people who suffered at the hands of her and Jeffrey Epstein.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, even Epstein doesn't come out looking that bad

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<v Speaker 1>according to her. Yeah, me and she and someone that

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get to a particular quote and why we're saying that.

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<v Speaker 1>But even as you say, people come out looking rosy.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was thinking, who does look bad in this?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, Epstein kinda.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, she tries to actually make the victims look bad,

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<v Speaker 2>that they're not telling the truth. That all of these

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<v Speaker 2>women are somehow, I don't know, all together collectively tell

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<v Speaker 2>a story that didn't happen. And I'm sorry, but most

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<v Speaker 2>people who are familiar with this case and want more information,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to put it in quotes. Imagine me making

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<v Speaker 2>air quotes. The information that she passed along, frankly is

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<v Speaker 2>fiction from everything else that every other person has corroborations.

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<v Speaker 1>So here are your headlines from and again, this was

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<v Speaker 1>just the first interview. Remember they did two interviews with

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<v Speaker 1>her down in tallahassee day one and day two. We

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<v Speaker 1>just went through day one so far. We might do

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<v Speaker 1>a part two for you if if we can take it.

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<v Speaker 1>But these are the headlines at least from part one.

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<v Speaker 1>And according to Glainne Maxwell, there is no client list.

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<v Speaker 1>She did nothing wrong. Trump did nothing wrong. Clinton did

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<v Speaker 1>nothing wrong. Epstein might have done something wrong, and she

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<v Speaker 1>thinks Trump is a really really really really really really

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<v Speaker 1>nice guy and maybe so.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice that he might pardon her after all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly coincidentally was moved to a cushier prison after

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<v Speaker 2>she gave this interview.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you shound motivated.

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<v Speaker 2>She's motivated.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, we're going to share that quote as well,

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<v Speaker 1>which is you might have seen it already, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty special. The doozy, the tone sometimes robes did

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<v Speaker 1>seem cordial.

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<v Speaker 2>I was really taken aback by that. This didn't seem

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<v Speaker 2>like an investigator or even a deputy the Attorney General

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<v Speaker 2>who was a prosecutor, so to speak. Yes, he is

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<v Speaker 2>interviewing a convicted criminal, a convicted criminal who is accused,

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<v Speaker 2>not just accused of but convicted of heinous crimes against miners.

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<v Speaker 2>There was nothing adversarial about this interview. There seemed nothing where.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no hard hitting follow up. It was almost conciliatory, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>just kind and cordial and certainly polite, and that read

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<v Speaker 2>strange to me from the very beginning. It was almost

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<v Speaker 2>as if Todd Blanche was excited to be there in

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<v Speaker 2>her presence, and again.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't supposed in ness. I'm not sure what we

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<v Speaker 1>were expecting, but there are very there are a few

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<v Speaker 1>things that even in text read as cordial and friendly

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<v Speaker 1>or a warmth or familiarity at least in the room

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe it just wasn't in our minds. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what you expect.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, I know, when you're interviewing somebody and you

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<v Speaker 2>want somebody to tell you the truth or to maybe

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<v Speaker 2>go deeper than they were willing to before, you want

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<v Speaker 2>to make them feel comfortable. We interview people all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>not from a legal standpoint or any position of authority,

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<v Speaker 2>but certainly as a journalist, you want the person you're interviewing,

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<v Speaker 2>even if they're considered to be a bad egg or

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<v Speaker 2>a bad seed, you still want them to feel comfortable

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<v Speaker 2>telling you the truth. So I understand there is sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>a need to create a tone where someone feels safe,

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<v Speaker 2>so to speak. So he did start off letting her

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<v Speaker 2>know legally she was super safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I was. Look, he put that on the

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<v Speaker 1>record she signed. I can't remember what they called this

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<v Speaker 1>type of agreement. It wasn't a limited immunity. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>it's what they called it, right, So nothing here was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be held against her, But he's put this

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<v Speaker 1>on the record at the beginning. The most important part

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<v Speaker 1>of this agreement is that this isn't a cooperation agreement,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning that by you meeting with us today, we're really

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<v Speaker 1>just meeting. I'm not promising to do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh. But again, can we point out just a

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<v Speaker 2>few days later, she was moved to a much better

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<v Speaker 2>prison facility.

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<v Speaker 1>Timing looks weird, but hey, he goes on to say,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not promising to ask a judge, Nathan or any

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<v Speaker 1>of the judges that's been assigned to your case to

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<v Speaker 1>do anything. We're just talking, and so that's the most

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<v Speaker 1>important important part of this agreement. Sounds like a weird

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<v Speaker 1>first day of zone.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the most important part of the agreement that

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted people to know to make it look like

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<v Speaker 2>there was no quid pro quo going on. And yet

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, but actions speak louder than words.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I can't you know? We never there was never

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<v Speaker 1>publicly an answer as to what she was moved? Was

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<v Speaker 1>it because nothing official?

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<v Speaker 2>Because how could they?

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<v Speaker 1>But there was nothing official. They didn't even even try,

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<v Speaker 1>at least give it a shot at some bs for us.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't even try. Wow, that's what they think of

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<v Speaker 1>as now. A lot of people curious about the trump

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<v Speaker 1>mentions that were throughout not as well. I shouldn't say

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<v Speaker 1>not that many, but they weren't that substantive. Necessarily, we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't learn a whole lot. I'll go at the exchange.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do I'll be Todd Blanch sounds weird to say

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be Gallaine, Maxwell, You get what I'm saying. Hor

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<v Speaker 1>Todd ask which hair will you go at? The short

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<v Speaker 1>of it has to be the short? He asked, what

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<v Speaker 1>did you observe as far as President Trump and his

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with you or mister Epstein.

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<v Speaker 2>Gallaine says, President Trump was always cordial and very kind

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<v Speaker 2>to me. And I just want to say that I

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<v Speaker 2>find I admire his extraordinary achievement in becoming president. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I like him and I've always liked him. So that

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<v Speaker 2>is the sum and substance of my entire relationship with him.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly not subtle, Okay, I get it, and maybe rolling.

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<v Speaker 1>She might mean what she says. She might mean what

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<v Speaker 1>she says, but it's weird how she kind of slid

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<v Speaker 1>it in there when it wasn't really a part of

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<v Speaker 1>the question.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I actually found it nauseating. She was gushing,

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<v Speaker 2>we can take it for a while, called him the

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<v Speaker 2>consummate gentleman. She not only did she not say a

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<v Speaker 2>bad word about him, she praised it went above and

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<v Speaker 2>beyond talking about him.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't she supposed to do that if this man is

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<v Speaker 1>one of your few options for ever getting out of

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<v Speaker 1>prison in the next two decades. Yeah, I'm out of

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<v Speaker 1>gone farther.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, baby, this is not political for me at all

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<v Speaker 2>when I make this next statement. This is just me

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<v Speaker 2>observing an an any level headed person looking at this

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<v Speaker 2>understands what's going on. The problem is if President Trump

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<v Speaker 2>directed his deputy Attorney general to sit down and talk

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<v Speaker 2>to Gallaine Maxwell in an effort of transparency, then release

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<v Speaker 2>those transcripts, and in all of that, we've got Glaine

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<v Speaker 2>talking about how President Trump did nothing wrong, he's always

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<v Speaker 2>been a gentleman, how much she likes him, how much

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<v Speaker 2>she admires him. Come on, that's tough. That's tough for

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<v Speaker 2>anyone to believe anything else. That then follows because everyone's motivated.

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump and the administration are motivated to say, we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't do anything wrong. And President Trump did nothing wrong

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<v Speaker 2>as it pertains to Jeffrey Epstein, he had nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>do with any of Epstein's crimes. Glene Maxwell has every

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<v Speaker 2>incentive to say that and to repeat it and to

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<v Speaker 2>because she is going to get something out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Potentially she only has She has nothing to lose and

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<v Speaker 2>everything to gain. So how can you trust anyone in

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<v Speaker 2>that position period, who also has perjured herself multiple times?

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<v Speaker 1>So what's the point of any of this?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly? So that's why so many people are pissed off

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are motivations, none of them having to do

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<v Speaker 1>with anything is going to be beneficial to us. As

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<v Speaker 1>the truth, Yeah, nothing is. We didn't learn anything here

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<v Speaker 1>at all.

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<v Speaker 2>No truth was uncovered, no new information was divulged, and

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<v Speaker 2>most people. I shouldn't say most people, but many people

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<v Speaker 2>would argue that, in fact, the opposite has happened. Misinformation

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<v Speaker 2>has now been disseminated, and that's unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 1>But that is where this is a little more gutting.

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<v Speaker 1>When it going, you think about the family, like, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you refute because this is supposed to be the

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<v Speaker 1>one authority we have left at least this is Epstein,

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<v Speaker 1>Glaine and victims. So Epstein's gone, we even have Vica,

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<v Speaker 1>very much high profile victim Giufray has passed away. So

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<v Speaker 1>now the only record we're getting, or the latest record

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<v Speaker 1>or updated record, or even new information on the record,

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<v Speaker 1>as she's claiming, comes from the one woman left who

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<v Speaker 1>has repeatedly lied and who has an incentive to do

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<v Speaker 1>so at this point. So to their point, right, their

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<v Speaker 1>statement pointed that out, and it's offensive almost that she

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<v Speaker 1>is the voice of record.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, well, let's hope that that isn't what ends up lasting,

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<v Speaker 2>we should point out. Also making news today was that

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<v Speaker 2>Virginia Robert Truffrey wrote her story, wrote her memoir before

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<v Speaker 2>she passed away, in very chilling words. She sent an

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<v Speaker 2>email to her publisher a few weeks before her death.

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<v Speaker 2>She died by suicide in case you did not know,

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<v Speaker 2>but saying in case I die, basically, I still want

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<v Speaker 2>this release because the people need to know. So she

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<v Speaker 2>will end up having her say. But in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 2>her family had a lot to say about these transcripts

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<v Speaker 2>being released. They said that this gave Glaine Maxwell, a

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<v Speaker 2>convicted sex trafficker, a platform to re write history. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say exactly what their statement was. The content of

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<v Speaker 2>these transcripts is in direct contradiction with felon Galaine Maxwell's

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<v Speaker 2>conviction for child sex trafficking. This travesty of justice entirely

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<v Speaker 2>invalidates the experiences of the many brave survivors who put

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<v Speaker 2>their safety, security and lives on the line to ensure

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<v Speaker 2>her conviction, including our sister. And that's they were referring

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<v Speaker 2>to Virginia at that point. But I thought that was

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<v Speaker 2>so well said, and I got chills when I read

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<v Speaker 2>it because I felt their anger, as so many people do.

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<v Speaker 2>These are women, and they were children at the time

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<v Speaker 2>who weren't believed for years, who were shouting from the

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<v Speaker 2>rooftops in some cases, and put their words and their

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<v Speaker 2>experiences into court documents. And then some of them, including

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<v Speaker 2>Virginia fled the country and hiding out of fear of

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<v Speaker 2>retribution for what she said. So this is just disgusting,

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<v Speaker 2>frankly for a lot of these victims and their families

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<v Speaker 2>who have suffered over and over and over again by

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<v Speaker 2>the lies that have been told.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there was plenty more in there, and some things

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<v Speaker 1>that people were curious about. Donald Trump, did he ever

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<v Speaker 1>get a massage? Bill Clinton? He ever get a massage? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>she answered a lot of those questions. She also answered

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<v Speaker 1>the question that everybody's been asking, why would she have

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<v Speaker 1>participated in recruiting young girls for Epstein, Well, she says,

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<v Speaker 1>you got it all wrong. She never did that. And

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<v Speaker 1>who are the other famous people that she named.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ,

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<v Speaker 2>where we have gone through at least the first round

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<v Speaker 2>of interviews with Glene Maxwell by Todd Blanche, Deputy Attorney General,

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<v Speaker 2>And so those transcripts were released late Friday, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking four hundred pages in total for both of the

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<v Speaker 2>days of interviews. But we got through day one and

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<v Speaker 2>there was a lot to digest, a lot to dissect.

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<v Speaker 2>I found really what she didn't say was tough. But

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<v Speaker 2>some of the backstory. I don't know how much of

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<v Speaker 2>it can be believed about how she met Epstein, what

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<v Speaker 2>their relationship was like. I found all of that to

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<v Speaker 2>be fascinating, talking about when she spent the night with him,

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<v Speaker 2>when she traveled with him, when they stayed in the

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<v Speaker 2>same bed to all of those things were just interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>but of zero note or I guess, importance when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to the crimes that she was convicted of committing,

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly the questions people have about other people involved

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<v Speaker 2>in some of these crimes, who they may be, what

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<v Speaker 2>she saw, what she knew, And that was frustrating to read.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean meaning that she basically exonerated everyone

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<v Speaker 2>they talked about, albeit a few folks she said who

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<v Speaker 2>got massages. She didn't imply in any way that those

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<v Speaker 2>massages were anything more than just massages.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I didn't. There is nothing, according to her, nothing

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<v Speaker 1>ever happened with anybody, right, nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, she did say that Epstein may have done a

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<v Speaker 2>few of the things he was charged with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Excuse me, but all this whole list of people who

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<v Speaker 1>are getting all these massages? Oh no, no, no, she said.

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<v Speaker 1>She's actually saying that nobody than Epstein, possibly.

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<v Speaker 2>Including Prince Andrews. She says that none of that could

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<v Speaker 2>have happened, and that flies. You know. She even said

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<v Speaker 2>the picture that we've all seen of Virginia Roberts at

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen years old next to Prince Andrew with her directly

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<v Speaker 2>in the background in her home in London, she claims

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<v Speaker 2>that that picture is a fake, it's fake, and that

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<v Speaker 2>none of it ever happened. However, should be noted, while

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<v Speaker 2>Prince Andrew has denied any of the allegations against him

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<v Speaker 2>as it pertains to Virginia, he did pay a million

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<v Speaker 2>dollar plus settlement to her in her civil lawsuit against him,

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<v Speaker 2>so of course criminally he was not charged, but certainly

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<v Speaker 2>it added to his is he officially out of the

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<v Speaker 2>royal family? He is he has been relieved of all

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<v Speaker 2>royal duties.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't keep it. Then they say he's coming back

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit because he showed up with this event

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't keep up with where he is.

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<v Speaker 2>But clearly the royal family and enough folks felt like

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<v Speaker 2>he there was some culpability there, and certainly with the

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<v Speaker 2>civil lawsuit. We don't know how it was settled, but

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<v Speaker 2>we know it was settled for a seven figure settlement.

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<v Speaker 1>All right to some of the Let's get to a

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<v Speaker 1>few more of the exchanges here. Todd Blanche asking Gallaine,

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<v Speaker 1>did you ever observe President Trump receive a massage? She responded,

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<v Speaker 1>you're supposed to.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, I haven't gotten to that point yet. Where are

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<v Speaker 2>you right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Gilly Maxwell responds, never. I actually never saw the president

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<v Speaker 1>in any type of massage setting. I never witnessed the

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<v Speaker 1>president in any inappropriate setting in any way. The President

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<v Speaker 1>was never inappropriate with anybody in the times that I

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<v Speaker 1>was with him. He was a gentleman in all respects.

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<v Speaker 1>Again going out of her way, not just that he

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<v Speaker 1>never got a massage, He was never in a massage setting,

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<v Speaker 1>no anything appropriate in any way, never with any body.

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<v Speaker 1>She made sure to clear all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Up fully, completely and without a doubt, exonerated Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>forever being a part of anything untoward.

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<v Speaker 1>She did so with herself as well. And talking about abuse,

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<v Speaker 1>she was asked, did you observe over the years the

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<v Speaker 1>folks we're talking about, or others which we can talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>getting massages from young women?

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<v Speaker 2>Glaine responds with this, I thought about this obviously a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've given it some So this is the benefit

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<v Speaker 2>of some benefit of what I saw and some benefit

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<v Speaker 2>of what I now think. I don't know what that means.

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<v Speaker 2>So just for clarity's sake, I just want to say

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<v Speaker 2>for the record that I do believe that Epstein did

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of not all, but some of what he's

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<v Speaker 2>accused of. And I'm not here to defend him in

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<v Speaker 2>any respect whatsoever. I don't want to, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think he requires nor deserves any type of protection from

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<v Speaker 2>me in any way to sugarcoat what he did or

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<v Speaker 2>didn't do. So there's that did What did she say?

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<v Speaker 2>There almost nothing? She will She went on to say

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<v Speaker 2>this about Epstein, the man that I met and the

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<v Speaker 2>man he became. I believe that there was a progression,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think that the man I met is

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<v Speaker 2>the man that he became. I believe he became that

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<v Speaker 2>over a period of time.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>She goes on to talk about how she met Epstein

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety one. I think she slept with him

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<v Speaker 2>a few times. She said they stopped having sex in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety nine, and she wanted to make it apparent

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<v Speaker 2>that by the time he was arrested in twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>She said their relationship was almost non existent. So she

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<v Speaker 2>is clearly distancing herself from any of the criminal activities

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<v Speaker 2>that EPs needed, claiming that they happened after she was

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<v Speaker 2>around him, that the man she knew couldn't have didn't

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<v Speaker 2>She at least didn't see any of that all right.

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<v Speaker 1>She was also, of course, asked about what everybody's so

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<v Speaker 1>curious about other famous folks possibly that were in his world.

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<v Speaker 1>He was asked directly, who were the other famous or

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<v Speaker 1>politicians who were other individuals in mister Epstein's life during

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<v Speaker 1>that time period? So the early nineties, she.

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<v Speaker 2>Says, Congressman McMillan, Henry Wsofsky who was the provost of Harvard,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Pagano, Jerry Goldsmith, Joe Roberts, Kenny Lipper, Dan Abramson.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know those off the top of your head? No,

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of big time finance guy or two and

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<v Speaker 1>there big time lawyer in there. But I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>those names.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But she just said, did any of these folks

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<v Speaker 2>stick to your mind as having received a massage? Because

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<v Speaker 2>these are just people who she's claiming he did business with.

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<v Speaker 2>These were legit business dealings, his clients, so to speak,

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<v Speaker 2>his financial clients. She pointed out that Henry Rossovski received

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<v Speaker 2>a massage. That's the provost of Harvard. We've heard Trump

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<v Speaker 2>refer to him as well. And they asked, why does

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<v Speaker 2>that stick out in your memory, and Goleaine says, because

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<v Speaker 2>I saw him in a bathrobe at seventy first Street

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<v Speaker 2>and he had received a massage. He told me.

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<v Speaker 1>She makes this all sound innocent, like just friends booking massages.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've read through so much of the transcript about

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<v Speaker 1>how just into massages Epstein was. She said she would

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<v Speaker 1>book massages and messuses for him, and it almost sounds crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>He always wanted a new messuse. He wanted to keep

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<v Speaker 1>trying them out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we know from the victims who have spoken out

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<v Speaker 2>Virginia specifically talking about being a young girl who was

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<v Speaker 2>a SPA assistant, giving a massage and being asked to

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<v Speaker 2>give naked massages. She was naked, he was naked, and

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<v Speaker 2>they progressed into sexual activity. It was interesting that Glen

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<v Speaker 2>also pointed out that Epstein, she claims, had a heart

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<v Speaker 2>condition and so he couldn't have intercourse. She said he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't like intercourse, but he liked other forms of sexual activity.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how that is, Like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how that plays into the role or into the scenario

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<v Speaker 2>in which he allegedly perpetrated these sexual acts against these miners.

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<v Speaker 1>But again you'll see what we mean now. This re

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<v Speaker 1>is some kind of a page turning and romance novel.

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<v Speaker 1>Illicit and explicit, I should say, in a lot of ways,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's it's some strange details where I'm sure there's

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of here. She's not lying about some of the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest things. Maybe we're not getting the truth on, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was just interesting to hear her explain that, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I recruited messusus because I went to legitimate spas. If

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<v Speaker 1>I got a massage I liked, I would say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>and this person was working at a license place, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not checking their certification, I'm not checking their IDs.

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<v Speaker 1>They work at this nice spa, so I'm sure they

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<v Speaker 1>would show up and do them. She said, that's all

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<v Speaker 1>she did, and that was her role, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>the end of it, is how she explained in this transcript.

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't heard that explanation before.

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<v Speaker 2>That's her explanation. But every single one of these young

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<v Speaker 2>women who describe her role in it say she absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>convinced them to go get these massages and then would

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<v Speaker 2>offer them more and more and more money. And she

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<v Speaker 2>picked women, young girls, I shouldn't say women, young girls

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<v Speaker 2>who came from broken homes, who needed money. They found

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<v Speaker 2>people who were vulnerable and who they could then give

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<v Speaker 2>large sums of money to send them out on private

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<v Speaker 2>planes bring them to exotic islands. So there was this

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<v Speaker 2>huge temptation and a way of life and financing a

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<v Speaker 2>life that they couldn't have dreamed of otherwise. So they

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<v Speaker 2>groomed these young women, according to the courts and according

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<v Speaker 2>to her conviction. So what she's saying is completely the

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<v Speaker 2>opposite of what the courts and the victims said.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And the idea of this infamous list. She was

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<v Speaker 1>asked directly by Todd Lange. So there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>conversation about whether mister Epstein maintained a list of people,

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<v Speaker 1>like a book of famous people that he knew, like

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<v Speaker 1>a it's called a black book, or a client list

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<v Speaker 1>or a list. Did you know of the existence of

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<v Speaker 1>such a list? She responds, there is no list. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>start with that. The genesis of that story I can

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<v Speaker 1>actually trace for you from its absolute inception if that

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<v Speaker 1>is what you're interested in, and at that point Todd

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<v Speaker 1>Blanche says it is. Then she goes into a story

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot even begin to describe. It's a long, confusing

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<v Speaker 1>story with twists and turns and players and plots and someone, ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, made up a list, faked a list to

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<v Speaker 1>get back at somebody for something, and then that became

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<v Speaker 1>part of legend. And this happened over years. But there

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<v Speaker 1>was never a real list of any kind that Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>kept himself. Is the story, okay?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and look, there has been no list produced

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<v Speaker 2>as of this date, so who knows that could actually

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<v Speaker 2>be true. It's hard to know what's true and what's

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<v Speaker 2>untrue when you're talking to somebody who is a convicted

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<v Speaker 2>perjurer and a convicted felon. I mean, it's just impossible

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<v Speaker 2>to know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think any of the conspiracy theorists, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think anybody out there demanding answers. You don't even have

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<v Speaker 1>to be a conspiracy theorist until a list emerges, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they'll ever be satisfied.

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<v Speaker 2>No, because there's too many question marks and there are

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<v Speaker 2>too many people who have told too many untruths, and

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<v Speaker 2>too many people have died. I mean, that's really the

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<v Speaker 2>heart of it. I did want to point out too,

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<v Speaker 2>because this was this one really and I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 2>what this is like for the families and for the

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<v Speaker 2>victims themselves to hear Glene Maxwell say this. But when

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<v Speaker 2>she talked about those messuses, do you remember when she

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<v Speaker 2>said this to Todd To toad Blanch she said, I

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<v Speaker 2>saw him meeting Jeffrey Epstein with lots of messuses. I

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<v Speaker 2>never saw a single massuse ever look unhappy or not

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<v Speaker 2>come back or whatever. So based on my observations, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that if you're being raped as now, he's

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<v Speaker 2>like this prolific, I just can't imagine you would return.

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<v Speaker 2>That is such a slap in the face to these

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<v Speaker 2>women who have spoken out.

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<v Speaker 1>You're essentially saying, well, they kept coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Back, and they didn't look unhappy.

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<v Speaker 1>She claimed she doesn't know what was happening in those rooms, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but she said her only evidence of it is whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not they were coming back. So, uh, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>tough one. I read. That's that's the toughest thing I

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<v Speaker 1>read of hers. It's how that came. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>if you're being raped, I can't imagine you would return.

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<v Speaker 1>That's uh, that's tough.

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<v Speaker 2>It happens, I mean, the way these come to describe it,

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<v Speaker 2>young girls describe it. It happened slowly, it happened incrementally.

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<v Speaker 2>They were groomed, they were given money. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately a classic exam of grooming. And she, according to

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<v Speaker 2>her convictions, knew exactly what was going on, knew exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what she was doing, and knew exactly what was happening

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<v Speaker 2>behind closed doors.

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<v Speaker 1>And the last snugger will give you here is this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff about of course Clinton and Epstein, a connection that

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<v Speaker 1>those two might have had. She was asked about that,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, I we should give this well the question

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<v Speaker 1>the Q and A. Here do you know whether, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>President Clinton ever received a massage? She responds, I don't believe.

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<v Speaker 1>So he then asked the follow up, saying, and what

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<v Speaker 1>makes you say you don't believe he did, at which

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<v Speaker 1>point Gleane answered, that's a good question. The time that

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein and President Clinton spent together the only times I believe,

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<v Speaker 1>and well, obviously they traveled there was that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the plane they went on the plane twenty six times

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. That would be one journey. So they spent

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<v Speaker 1>time on the plane together, and I don't believe there

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<v Speaker 1>was ever a massage on the plane. So that would

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<v Speaker 1>have been the only time that I think that Resident

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<v Speaker 1>Clinton could have ever received a massage, and he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>because I was there, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But notice how many times she says I think I believe,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe. I think that, Like she doesn't even

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<v Speaker 2>say her denial of all of this isn't even resolute.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that last sentence, and he didn't because I

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<v Speaker 2>was there. That was probably the firmest thing she said.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything else was couched. I noticed in a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>what she said in her responses, she kept saying it

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<v Speaker 2>was twenty years ago. It was X amount of years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>to the best of my recollection. So she's couching everything

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<v Speaker 2>she's saying. Because it is fair to point out that

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<v Speaker 2>Todd Blanche did also say at the beginning of this,

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<v Speaker 2>while there is no deal that was being made or

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<v Speaker 2>no promises being given, if she lied, she could still

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<v Speaker 2>be prosecuted for lying. But that would all have to

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<v Speaker 2>be proven, wouldn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And who can prove it at this point. Everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunately frankly passed away or no incentive to speak. The

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>last thing she asked here, I didn't realize this, but

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<v Speaker 1>as y'all know, Glen Maxwell was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that crazy?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a picture of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, she attended the wedding. She was asked if

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<v Speaker 1>she had attended any weddings with Epstein. She says she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think she'd ever done so, and she had to

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<v Speaker 1>be reminded that she went to Clinton's daughter's wedding, but

0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 1>she had gone with her boyfriend at the time, Ted Waite,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a friend of President Clinton. It's just those

0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:31.480
<v Speaker 1>circles at those levels and these folks, and it's just

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:35.080
<v Speaker 1>they talk about money and politics and all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>A woman sitting in prison for twenty years now for

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<v Speaker 1>sex trafficking was attending the wedding of the president's daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>just casually hanging out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, she made a point to say in this interview

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<v Speaker 2>that she was the one who was friends with the Clintons,

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<v Speaker 2>not Epstein, That she's the one who introduced Epstein to

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<v Speaker 2>Clinton in that sense, like she brought him into that world,

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<v Speaker 2>not vice versa.

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<v Speaker 1>My goodness, we'll China. You want to try to get

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<v Speaker 1>through rewards to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think so. Although I mean, look, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a hard read at all. I mean it was a

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating read. But again, as long as you look at

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<v Speaker 2>it as fiction, I guess it doesn't do the harm

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<v Speaker 2>that it could. But it doesn't take away the sting

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<v Speaker 2>that her words must have and certainly have had on

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<v Speaker 2>the victims and their families. So that's where our heart and.

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<v Speaker 1>Our thoughts are, right folks, We always appreciate you hanging

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<v Speaker 1>with us. We'll see you soon. We've got some reading

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<v Speaker 1>to do.