Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Monday, August twenty fifth, and Robock
Speaker 1: and I were planning to do a dramatic reading of
Speaker 1: the Glain Maxwell transcript of her interview, but it turns
Speaker 1: out wasn't a whole lot of dramatic anything in there.
Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and
Speaker 1: TJ and Roves. People keep waiting for bombshell, bombshell, bombshell,
Speaker 1: something right to be dropped. Look, there was some it
Speaker 1: was some fascinating reading, but once again, there's no bombshell
Speaker 1: information that people are waiting on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually spent the weekend reading through the transcript,
Speaker 2: so you don't have to.
Speaker 1: That sounds terrible, this is what we do with our weekend.
Speaker 2: But actually that is what we did for a large
Speaker 2: part of our weekend because look, and it wasn't I
Speaker 2: actually was kind of dreading it a little bit. And
Speaker 2: then you had a bit of a head start on me,
Speaker 2: and you said to me, Babe, if I were actually
Speaker 2: on vacation or on the beach, I keep reading this
Speaker 2: and because almost it was fiction, I'm just going to
Speaker 2: go ahead and say it read like a fiction novel
Speaker 2: to me because she was taking well, some creative licenses
Speaker 2: with that goes and flies directly in the face of
Speaker 2: what we've heard from victims, what we've certainly heard in
Speaker 2: court transcripts and court documents, and her version of events
Speaker 2: certainly makes a lot of folks look really rosy, including herself,
Speaker 2: And that's certainly not the information we've received from the
Speaker 2: people who suffered at the hands of her and Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1: You know, even Epstein doesn't come out looking that bad
Speaker 1: according to her. Yeah, me and she and someone that
Speaker 1: we'll get to a particular quote and why we're saying that.
Speaker 1: But even as you say, people come out looking rosy.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, who does look bad in this?
Speaker 1: I said, Epstein kinda.
Speaker 2: Well, she tries to actually make the victims look bad,
Speaker 2: that they're not telling the truth. That all of these
Speaker 2: women are somehow, I don't know, all together collectively tell
Speaker 2: a story that didn't happen. And I'm sorry, but most
Speaker 2: people who are familiar with this case and want more information,
Speaker 2: I'm going to put it in quotes. Imagine me making
Speaker 2: air quotes. The information that she passed along, frankly is
Speaker 2: fiction from everything else that every other person has corroborations.
Speaker 1: So here are your headlines from and again, this was
Speaker 1: just the first interview. Remember they did two interviews with
Speaker 1: her down in tallahassee day one and day two. We
Speaker 1: just went through day one so far. We might do
Speaker 1: a part two for you if if we can take it.
Speaker 1: But these are the headlines at least from part one.
Speaker 1: And according to Glainne Maxwell, there is no client list.
Speaker 1: She did nothing wrong. Trump did nothing wrong. Clinton did
Speaker 1: nothing wrong. Epstein might have done something wrong, and she
Speaker 1: thinks Trump is a really really really really really really
Speaker 1: nice guy and maybe so.
Speaker 2: Nice that he might pardon her after all of this.
Speaker 2: I certainly coincidentally was moved to a cushier prison after
Speaker 2: she gave this interview.
Speaker 1: Okay, you shound motivated.
Speaker 2: She's motivated.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're going to share that quote as well,
Speaker 1: which is you might have seen it already, but it
Speaker 1: is pretty special. The doozy, the tone sometimes robes did
Speaker 1: seem cordial.
Speaker 2: I was really taken aback by that. This didn't seem
Speaker 2: like an investigator or even a deputy the Attorney General
Speaker 2: who was a prosecutor, so to speak. Yes, he is
Speaker 2: interviewing a convicted criminal, a convicted criminal who is accused,
Speaker 2: not just accused of but convicted of heinous crimes against miners.
Speaker 2: There was nothing adversarial about this interview. There seemed nothing where.
Speaker 2: There was no hard hitting follow up. It was almost conciliatory, like, oh,
Speaker 2: just kind and cordial and certainly polite, and that read
Speaker 2: strange to me from the very beginning. It was almost
Speaker 2: as if Todd Blanche was excited to be there in
Speaker 2: her presence, and again.
Speaker 1: He wasn't supposed in ness. I'm not sure what we
Speaker 1: were expecting, but there are very there are a few
Speaker 1: things that even in text read as cordial and friendly
Speaker 1: or a warmth or familiarity at least in the room
Speaker 1: that maybe it just wasn't in our minds. I don't
Speaker 1: know what you expect.
Speaker 2: And look, I know, when you're interviewing somebody and you
Speaker 2: want somebody to tell you the truth or to maybe
Speaker 2: go deeper than they were willing to before, you want
Speaker 2: to make them feel comfortable. We interview people all the time,
Speaker 2: not from a legal standpoint or any position of authority,
Speaker 2: but certainly as a journalist, you want the person you're interviewing,
Speaker 2: even if they're considered to be a bad egg or
Speaker 2: a bad seed, you still want them to feel comfortable
Speaker 2: telling you the truth. So I understand there is sometimes
Speaker 2: a need to create a tone where someone feels safe,
Speaker 2: so to speak. So he did start off letting her
Speaker 2: know legally she was super safe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was. Look, he put that on the
Speaker 1: record she signed. I can't remember what they called this
Speaker 1: type of agreement. It wasn't a limited immunity. I believe
Speaker 1: it's what they called it, right, So nothing here was
Speaker 1: going to be held against her, But he's put this
Speaker 1: on the record at the beginning. The most important part
Speaker 1: of this agreement is that this isn't a cooperation agreement,
Speaker 1: meaning that by you meeting with us today, we're really
Speaker 1: just meeting. I'm not promising to do anything.
Speaker 2: Uh huh. But again, can we point out just a
Speaker 2: few days later, she was moved to a much better
Speaker 2: prison facility.
Speaker 1: Timing looks weird, but hey, he goes on to say,
Speaker 1: I'm not promising to ask a judge, Nathan or any
Speaker 1: of the judges that's been assigned to your case to
Speaker 1: do anything. We're just talking, and so that's the most
Speaker 1: important important part of this agreement. Sounds like a weird
Speaker 1: first day of zone.
Speaker 2: That was the most important part of the agreement that
Speaker 2: he wanted people to know to make it look like
Speaker 2: there was no quid pro quo going on. And yet
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but actions speak louder than words.
Speaker 1: Well, I can't you know? We never there was never
Speaker 1: publicly an answer as to what she was moved? Was
Speaker 1: it because nothing official?
Speaker 2: Because how could they?
Speaker 1: But there was nothing official. They didn't even even try,
Speaker 1: at least give it a shot at some bs for us.
Speaker 1: They didn't even try. Wow, that's what they think of
Speaker 1: as now. A lot of people curious about the trump
Speaker 1: mentions that were throughout not as well. I shouldn't say
Speaker 1: not that many, but they weren't that substantive. Necessarily, we
Speaker 1: didn't learn a whole lot. I'll go at the exchange.
Speaker 1: I'll do I'll be Todd Blanch sounds weird to say
Speaker 1: you'd be Gallaine, Maxwell, You get what I'm saying. Hor
Speaker 1: Todd ask which hair will you go at? The short
Speaker 1: of it has to be the short? He asked, what
Speaker 1: did you observe as far as President Trump and his
Speaker 1: relationship with you or mister Epstein.
Speaker 2: Gallaine says, President Trump was always cordial and very kind
Speaker 2: to me. And I just want to say that I
Speaker 2: find I admire his extraordinary achievement in becoming president. Now
Speaker 2: I like him and I've always liked him. So that
Speaker 2: is the sum and substance of my entire relationship with him.
Speaker 2: Exactly not subtle, Okay, I get it, and maybe rolling.
Speaker 1: She might mean what she says. She might mean what
Speaker 1: she says, but it's weird how she kind of slid
Speaker 1: it in there when it wasn't really a part of
Speaker 1: the question.
Speaker 2: I just I actually found it nauseating. She was gushing,
Speaker 2: we can take it for a while, called him the
Speaker 2: consummate gentleman. She not only did she not say a
Speaker 2: bad word about him, she praised it went above and
Speaker 2: beyond talking about him.
Speaker 1: Isn't she supposed to do that if this man is
Speaker 1: one of your few options for ever getting out of
Speaker 1: prison in the next two decades. Yeah, I'm out of
Speaker 1: gone farther.
Speaker 2: Okay, baby, this is not political for me at all
Speaker 2: when I make this next statement. This is just me
Speaker 2: observing an an any level headed person looking at this
Speaker 2: understands what's going on. The problem is if President Trump
Speaker 2: directed his deputy Attorney general to sit down and talk
Speaker 2: to Gallaine Maxwell in an effort of transparency, then release
Speaker 2: those transcripts, and in all of that, we've got Glaine
Speaker 2: talking about how President Trump did nothing wrong, he's always
Speaker 2: been a gentleman, how much she likes him, how much
Speaker 2: she admires him. Come on, that's tough. That's tough for
Speaker 2: anyone to believe anything else. That then follows because everyone's motivated.
Speaker 2: President Trump and the administration are motivated to say, we
Speaker 2: didn't do anything wrong. And President Trump did nothing wrong
Speaker 2: as it pertains to Jeffrey Epstein, he had nothing to
Speaker 2: do with any of Epstein's crimes. Glene Maxwell has every
Speaker 2: incentive to say that and to repeat it and to
Speaker 2: because she is going to get something out of it.
Speaker 2: Potentially she only has She has nothing to lose and
Speaker 2: everything to gain. So how can you trust anyone in
Speaker 2: that position period, who also has perjured herself multiple times?
Speaker 1: So what's the point of any of this?
Speaker 2: Exactly? So that's why so many people are pissed off
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: But there are motivations, none of them having to do
Speaker 1: with anything is going to be beneficial to us. As
Speaker 1: the truth, Yeah, nothing is. We didn't learn anything here
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 2: No truth was uncovered, no new information was divulged, and
Speaker 2: most people. I shouldn't say most people, but many people
Speaker 2: would argue that, in fact, the opposite has happened. Misinformation
Speaker 2: has now been disseminated, and that's unfortunate.
Speaker 1: But that is where this is a little more gutting.
Speaker 1: When it going, you think about the family, like, how
Speaker 1: do you refute because this is supposed to be the
Speaker 1: one authority we have left at least this is Epstein,
Speaker 1: Glaine and victims. So Epstein's gone, we even have Vica,
Speaker 1: very much high profile victim Giufray has passed away. So
Speaker 1: now the only record we're getting, or the latest record
Speaker 1: or updated record, or even new information on the record,
Speaker 1: as she's claiming, comes from the one woman left who
Speaker 1: has repeatedly lied and who has an incentive to do
Speaker 1: so at this point. So to their point, right, their
Speaker 1: statement pointed that out, and it's offensive almost that she
Speaker 1: is the voice of record.
Speaker 2: Now, well, let's hope that that isn't what ends up lasting,
Speaker 2: we should point out. Also making news today was that
Speaker 2: Virginia Robert Truffrey wrote her story, wrote her memoir before
Speaker 2: she passed away, in very chilling words. She sent an
Speaker 2: email to her publisher a few weeks before her death.
Speaker 2: She died by suicide in case you did not know,
Speaker 2: but saying in case I die, basically, I still want
Speaker 2: this release because the people need to know. So she
Speaker 2: will end up having her say. But in the meantime,
Speaker 2: her family had a lot to say about these transcripts
Speaker 2: being released. They said that this gave Glaine Maxwell, a
Speaker 2: convicted sex trafficker, a platform to re write history. And
Speaker 2: I'll say exactly what their statement was. The content of
Speaker 2: these transcripts is in direct contradiction with felon Galaine Maxwell's
Speaker 2: conviction for child sex trafficking. This travesty of justice entirely
Speaker 2: invalidates the experiences of the many brave survivors who put
Speaker 2: their safety, security and lives on the line to ensure
Speaker 2: her conviction, including our sister. And that's they were referring
Speaker 2: to Virginia at that point. But I thought that was
Speaker 2: so well said, and I got chills when I read
Speaker 2: it because I felt their anger, as so many people do.
Speaker 2: These are women, and they were children at the time
Speaker 2: who weren't believed for years, who were shouting from the
Speaker 2: rooftops in some cases, and put their words and their
Speaker 2: experiences into court documents. And then some of them, including
Speaker 2: Virginia fled the country and hiding out of fear of
Speaker 2: retribution for what she said. So this is just disgusting,
Speaker 2: frankly for a lot of these victims and their families
Speaker 2: who have suffered over and over and over again by
Speaker 2: the lies that have been told.
Speaker 1: Well, there was plenty more in there, and some things
Speaker 1: that people were curious about. Donald Trump, did he ever
Speaker 1: get a massage? Bill Clinton? He ever get a massage? Well,
Speaker 1: she answered a lot of those questions. She also answered
Speaker 1: the question that everybody's been asking, why would she have
Speaker 1: participated in recruiting young girls for Epstein, Well, she says,
Speaker 1: you got it all wrong. She never did that. And
Speaker 1: who are the other famous people that she named.
Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ,
Speaker 2: where we have gone through at least the first round
Speaker 2: of interviews with Glene Maxwell by Todd Blanche, Deputy Attorney General,
Speaker 2: And so those transcripts were released late Friday, and we're
Speaker 2: talking four hundred pages in total for both of the
Speaker 2: days of interviews. But we got through day one and
Speaker 2: there was a lot to digest, a lot to dissect.
Speaker 2: I found really what she didn't say was tough. But
Speaker 2: some of the backstory. I don't know how much of
Speaker 2: it can be believed about how she met Epstein, what
Speaker 2: their relationship was like. I found all of that to
Speaker 2: be fascinating, talking about when she spent the night with him,
Speaker 2: when she traveled with him, when they stayed in the
Speaker 2: same bed to all of those things were just interesting,
Speaker 2: but of zero note or I guess, importance when it
Speaker 2: comes to the crimes that she was convicted of committing,
Speaker 2: and certainly the questions people have about other people involved
Speaker 2: in some of these crimes, who they may be, what
Speaker 2: she saw, what she knew, And that was frustrating to read.
Speaker 2: What do you mean meaning that she basically exonerated everyone
Speaker 2: they talked about, albeit a few folks she said who
Speaker 2: got massages. She didn't imply in any way that those
Speaker 2: massages were anything more than just massages.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't. There is nothing, according to her, nothing
Speaker 1: ever happened with anybody, right, nothing.
Speaker 2: Well, she did say that Epstein may have done a
Speaker 2: few of the things he was charged with him.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, but all this whole list of people who
Speaker 1: are getting all these massages? Oh no, no, no, she said.
Speaker 1: She's actually saying that nobody than Epstein, possibly.
Speaker 2: Including Prince Andrews. She says that none of that could
Speaker 2: have happened, and that flies. You know. She even said
Speaker 2: the picture that we've all seen of Virginia Roberts at
Speaker 2: seventeen years old next to Prince Andrew with her directly
Speaker 2: in the background in her home in London, she claims
Speaker 2: that that picture is a fake, it's fake, and that
Speaker 2: none of it ever happened. However, should be noted, while
Speaker 2: Prince Andrew has denied any of the allegations against him
Speaker 2: as it pertains to Virginia, he did pay a million
Speaker 2: dollar plus settlement to her in her civil lawsuit against him,
Speaker 2: so of course criminally he was not charged, but certainly
Speaker 2: it added to his is he officially out of the
Speaker 2: royal family? He is he has been relieved of all
Speaker 2: royal duties.
Speaker 1: I can't keep it. Then they say he's coming back
Speaker 1: a little bit because he showed up with this event
Speaker 1: and I can't keep up with where he is.
Speaker 2: But clearly the royal family and enough folks felt like
Speaker 2: he there was some culpability there, and certainly with the
Speaker 2: civil lawsuit. We don't know how it was settled, but
Speaker 2: we know it was settled for a seven figure settlement.
Speaker 1: All right to some of the Let's get to a
Speaker 1: few more of the exchanges here. Todd Blanche asking Gallaine,
Speaker 1: did you ever observe President Trump receive a massage? She responded,
Speaker 1: you're supposed to.
Speaker 2: Wait, I haven't gotten to that point yet. Where are
Speaker 2: you right now?
Speaker 1: Gilly Maxwell responds, never. I actually never saw the president
Speaker 1: in any type of massage setting. I never witnessed the
Speaker 1: president in any inappropriate setting in any way. The President
Speaker 1: was never inappropriate with anybody in the times that I
Speaker 1: was with him. He was a gentleman in all respects.
Speaker 1: Again going out of her way, not just that he
Speaker 1: never got a massage, He was never in a massage setting,
Speaker 1: no anything appropriate in any way, never with any body.
Speaker 1: She made sure to clear all that.
Speaker 2: Up fully, completely and without a doubt, exonerated Donald Trump
Speaker 2: forever being a part of anything untoward.
Speaker 1: She did so with herself as well. And talking about abuse,
Speaker 1: she was asked, did you observe over the years the
Speaker 1: folks we're talking about, or others which we can talk about,
Speaker 1: getting massages from young women?
Speaker 2: Glaine responds with this, I thought about this obviously a lot,
Speaker 2: and I've given it some So this is the benefit
Speaker 2: of some benefit of what I saw and some benefit
Speaker 2: of what I now think. I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2: So just for clarity's sake, I just want to say
Speaker 2: for the record that I do believe that Epstein did
Speaker 2: a lot of not all, but some of what he's
Speaker 2: accused of. And I'm not here to defend him in
Speaker 2: any respect whatsoever. I don't want to, and I don't
Speaker 2: think he requires nor deserves any type of protection from
Speaker 2: me in any way to sugarcoat what he did or
Speaker 2: didn't do. So there's that did What did she say?
Speaker 2: There almost nothing? She will She went on to say
Speaker 2: this about Epstein, the man that I met and the
Speaker 2: man he became. I believe that there was a progression,
Speaker 2: and I don't think that the man I met is
Speaker 2: the man that he became. I believe he became that
Speaker 2: over a period of time.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: She goes on to talk about how she met Epstein
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety one. I think she slept with him
Speaker 2: a few times. She said they stopped having sex in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, and she wanted to make it apparent
Speaker 2: that by the time he was arrested in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: She said their relationship was almost non existent. So she
Speaker 2: is clearly distancing herself from any of the criminal activities
Speaker 2: that EPs needed, claiming that they happened after she was
Speaker 2: around him, that the man she knew couldn't have didn't
Speaker 2: She at least didn't see any of that all right.
Speaker 1: She was also, of course, asked about what everybody's so
Speaker 1: curious about other famous folks possibly that were in his world.
Speaker 1: He was asked directly, who were the other famous or
Speaker 1: politicians who were other individuals in mister Epstein's life during
Speaker 1: that time period? So the early nineties, she.
Speaker 2: Says, Congressman McMillan, Henry Wsofsky who was the provost of Harvard,
Speaker 2: Joe Pagano, Jerry Goldsmith, Joe Roberts, Kenny Lipper, Dan Abramson.
Speaker 1: Did you know those off the top of your head? No,
Speaker 1: A couple of big time finance guy or two and
Speaker 1: there big time lawyer in there. But I didn't know
Speaker 1: those names.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But she just said, did any of these folks
Speaker 2: stick to your mind as having received a massage? Because
Speaker 2: these are just people who she's claiming he did business with.
Speaker 2: These were legit business dealings, his clients, so to speak,
Speaker 2: his financial clients. She pointed out that Henry Rossovski received
Speaker 2: a massage. That's the provost of Harvard. We've heard Trump
Speaker 2: refer to him as well. And they asked, why does
Speaker 2: that stick out in your memory, and Goleaine says, because
Speaker 2: I saw him in a bathrobe at seventy first Street
Speaker 2: and he had received a massage. He told me.
Speaker 1: She makes this all sound innocent, like just friends booking massages.
Speaker 1: And I've read through so much of the transcript about
Speaker 1: how just into massages Epstein was. She said she would
Speaker 1: book massages and messuses for him, and it almost sounds crazy.
Speaker 1: He always wanted a new messuse. He wanted to keep
Speaker 1: trying them out.
Speaker 2: Well, we know from the victims who have spoken out
Speaker 2: Virginia specifically talking about being a young girl who was
Speaker 2: a SPA assistant, giving a massage and being asked to
Speaker 2: give naked massages. She was naked, he was naked, and
Speaker 2: they progressed into sexual activity. It was interesting that Glen
Speaker 2: also pointed out that Epstein, she claims, had a heart
Speaker 2: condition and so he couldn't have intercourse. She said he
Speaker 2: didn't like intercourse, but he liked other forms of sexual activity.
Speaker 2: I don't know how that is, Like, I don't know
Speaker 2: how that plays into the role or into the scenario
Speaker 2: in which he allegedly perpetrated these sexual acts against these miners.
Speaker 1: But again you'll see what we mean now. This re
Speaker 1: is some kind of a page turning and romance novel.
Speaker 1: Illicit and explicit, I should say, in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: but it's it's some strange details where I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: plenty of here. She's not lying about some of the
Speaker 1: biggest things. Maybe we're not getting the truth on, but
Speaker 1: it was just interesting to hear her explain that, yes,
Speaker 1: I recruited messusus because I went to legitimate spas. If
Speaker 1: I got a massage I liked, I would say, hey,
Speaker 1: and this person was working at a license place, so
Speaker 1: I'm not checking their certification, I'm not checking their IDs.
Speaker 1: They work at this nice spa, so I'm sure they
Speaker 1: would show up and do them. She said, that's all
Speaker 1: she did, and that was her role, and that was
Speaker 1: the end of it, is how she explained in this transcript.
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard that explanation before.
Speaker 2: That's her explanation. But every single one of these young
Speaker 2: women who describe her role in it say she absolutely
Speaker 2: convinced them to go get these massages and then would
Speaker 2: offer them more and more and more money. And she
Speaker 2: picked women, young girls, I shouldn't say women, young girls
Speaker 2: who came from broken homes, who needed money. They found
Speaker 2: people who were vulnerable and who they could then give
Speaker 2: large sums of money to send them out on private
Speaker 2: planes bring them to exotic islands. So there was this
Speaker 2: huge temptation and a way of life and financing a
Speaker 2: life that they couldn't have dreamed of otherwise. So they
Speaker 2: groomed these young women, according to the courts and according
Speaker 2: to her conviction. So what she's saying is completely the
Speaker 2: opposite of what the courts and the victims said.
Speaker 1: Okay, And the idea of this infamous list. She was
Speaker 1: asked directly by Todd Lange. So there's a lot of
Speaker 1: conversation about whether mister Epstein maintained a list of people,
Speaker 1: like a book of famous people that he knew, like
Speaker 1: a it's called a black book, or a client list
Speaker 1: or a list. Did you know of the existence of
Speaker 1: such a list? She responds, there is no list. We'll
Speaker 1: start with that. The genesis of that story I can
Speaker 1: actually trace for you from its absolute inception if that
Speaker 1: is what you're interested in, and at that point Todd
Speaker 1: Blanche says it is. Then she goes into a story
Speaker 1: I cannot even begin to describe. It's a long, confusing
Speaker 1: story with twists and turns and players and plots and someone, ultimately,
Speaker 1: she said, made up a list, faked a list to
Speaker 1: get back at somebody for something, and then that became
Speaker 1: part of legend. And this happened over years. But there
Speaker 1: was never a real list of any kind that Epstein
Speaker 1: kept himself. Is the story, okay?
Speaker 2: I mean, and look, there has been no list produced
Speaker 2: as of this date, so who knows that could actually
Speaker 2: be true. It's hard to know what's true and what's
Speaker 2: untrue when you're talking to somebody who is a convicted
Speaker 2: perjurer and a convicted felon. I mean, it's just impossible
Speaker 2: to know.
Speaker 1: I don't think any of the conspiracy theorists, I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody out there demanding answers. You don't even have
Speaker 1: to be a conspiracy theorist until a list emerges, I
Speaker 1: don't think they'll ever be satisfied.
Speaker 2: No, because there's too many question marks and there are
Speaker 2: too many people who have told too many untruths, and
Speaker 2: too many people have died. I mean, that's really the
Speaker 2: heart of it. I did want to point out too,
Speaker 2: because this was this one really and I can't imagine
Speaker 2: what this is like for the families and for the
Speaker 2: victims themselves to hear Glene Maxwell say this. But when
Speaker 2: she talked about those messuses, do you remember when she
Speaker 2: said this to Todd To toad Blanch she said, I
Speaker 2: saw him meeting Jeffrey Epstein with lots of messuses. I
Speaker 2: never saw a single massuse ever look unhappy or not
Speaker 2: come back or whatever. So based on my observations, I
Speaker 2: don't think that if you're being raped as now, he's
Speaker 2: like this prolific, I just can't imagine you would return.
Speaker 2: That is such a slap in the face to these
Speaker 2: women who have spoken out.
Speaker 1: You're essentially saying, well, they kept coming.
Speaker 2: Back, and they didn't look unhappy.
Speaker 1: She claimed she doesn't know what was happening in those rooms, okay,
Speaker 1: but she said her only evidence of it is whether
Speaker 1: or not they were coming back. So, uh, that's a
Speaker 1: tough one. I read. That's that's the toughest thing I
Speaker 1: read of hers. It's how that came. I don't think
Speaker 1: if you're being raped, I can't imagine you would return.
Speaker 1: That's uh, that's tough.
Speaker 2: It happens, I mean, the way these come to describe it,
Speaker 2: young girls describe it. It happened slowly, it happened incrementally.
Speaker 2: They were groomed, they were given money. This is a
Speaker 2: unfortunately a classic exam of grooming. And she, according to
Speaker 2: her convictions, knew exactly what was going on, knew exactly
Speaker 2: what she was doing, and knew exactly what was happening
Speaker 2: behind closed doors.
Speaker 1: And the last snugger will give you here is this
Speaker 1: stuff about of course Clinton and Epstein, a connection that
Speaker 1: those two might have had. She was asked about that,
Speaker 1: she said, I we should give this well the question
Speaker 1: the Q and A. Here do you know whether, for example,
Speaker 1: President Clinton ever received a massage? She responds, I don't believe.
Speaker 1: So he then asked the follow up, saying, and what
Speaker 1: makes you say you don't believe he did, at which
Speaker 1: point Gleane answered, that's a good question. The time that
Speaker 1: Epstein and President Clinton spent together the only times I believe,
Speaker 1: and well, obviously they traveled there was that you know,
Speaker 1: the plane they went on the plane twenty six times
Speaker 1: or whatever. That would be one journey. So they spent
Speaker 1: time on the plane together, and I don't believe there
Speaker 1: was ever a massage on the plane. So that would
Speaker 1: have been the only time that I think that Resident
Speaker 1: Clinton could have ever received a massage, and he didn't
Speaker 1: because I was there, right.
Speaker 2: But notice how many times she says I think I believe,
Speaker 2: I don't believe. I think that, Like she doesn't even
Speaker 2: say her denial of all of this isn't even resolute.
Speaker 2: I guess that last sentence, and he didn't because I
Speaker 2: was there. That was probably the firmest thing she said.
Speaker 2: Everything else was couched. I noticed in a lot of
Speaker 2: what she said in her responses, she kept saying it
Speaker 2: was twenty years ago. It was X amount of years ago,
Speaker 2: to the best of my recollection. So she's couching everything
Speaker 2: she's saying. Because it is fair to point out that
Speaker 2: Todd Blanche did also say at the beginning of this,
Speaker 2: while there is no deal that was being made or
Speaker 2: no promises being given, if she lied, she could still
Speaker 2: be prosecuted for lying. But that would all have to
Speaker 2: be proven, wouldn't it.
Speaker 1: Yes, And who can prove it at this point. Everybody's
Speaker 1: unfortunately frankly passed away or no incentive to speak. The
Speaker 1: last thing she asked here, I didn't realize this, but
Speaker 1: as y'all know, Glen Maxwell was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding.
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a picture of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, she attended the wedding. She was asked if
Speaker 1: she had attended any weddings with Epstein. She says she
Speaker 1: didn't think she'd ever done so, and she had to
Speaker 1: be reminded that she went to Clinton's daughter's wedding, but
Speaker 1: she had gone with her boyfriend at the time, Ted Waite,
Speaker 1: who was a friend of President Clinton. It's just those
Speaker 1: circles at those levels and these folks, and it's just
Speaker 1: they talk about money and politics and all of this.
Speaker 1: A woman sitting in prison for twenty years now for
Speaker 1: sex trafficking was attending the wedding of the president's daughter,
Speaker 1: just casually hanging out there.
Speaker 2: Well, she made a point to say in this interview
Speaker 2: that she was the one who was friends with the Clintons,
Speaker 2: not Epstein, That she's the one who introduced Epstein to
Speaker 2: Clinton in that sense, like she brought him into that world,
Speaker 2: not vice versa.
Speaker 1: My goodness, we'll China. You want to try to get
Speaker 1: through rewards to you.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think so. Although I mean, look, it wasn't
Speaker 2: a hard read at all. I mean it was a
Speaker 2: fascinating read. But again, as long as you look at
Speaker 2: it as fiction, I guess it doesn't do the harm
Speaker 2: that it could. But it doesn't take away the sting
Speaker 2: that her words must have and certainly have had on
Speaker 2: the victims and their families. So that's where our heart and.
Speaker 1: Our thoughts are, right folks, We always appreciate you hanging
Speaker 1: with us. We'll see you soon. We've got some reading
Speaker 1: to do.