1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Monday, August twenty fifth, and Robock 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: and I were planning to do a dramatic reading of 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: the Glain Maxwell transcript of her interview, but it turns 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: out wasn't a whole lot of dramatic anything in there. 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: TJ and Roves. People keep waiting for bombshell, bombshell, bombshell, 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: something right to be dropped. Look, there was some it 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: was some fascinating reading, but once again, there's no bombshell 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: information that people are waiting on. 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually spent the weekend reading through the transcript, 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: so you don't have to. 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: That sounds terrible, this is what we do with our weekend. 13 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 2: But actually that is what we did for a large 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: part of our weekend because look, and it wasn't I 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: actually was kind of dreading it a little bit. And 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: then you had a bit of a head start on me, 17 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: and you said to me, Babe, if I were actually 18 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: on vacation or on the beach, I keep reading this 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: and because almost it was fiction, I'm just going to 20 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: go ahead and say it read like a fiction novel 21 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 2: to me because she was taking well, some creative licenses 22 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 2: with that goes and flies directly in the face of 23 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: what we've heard from victims, what we've certainly heard in 24 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: court transcripts and court documents, and her version of events 25 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 2: certainly makes a lot of folks look really rosy, including herself, 26 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: And that's certainly not the information we've received from the 27 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: people who suffered at the hands of her and Jeffrey Epstein. 28 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: You know, even Epstein doesn't come out looking that bad 29 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: according to her. Yeah, me and she and someone that 30 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: we'll get to a particular quote and why we're saying that. 31 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: But even as you say, people come out looking rosy. 32 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: And I was thinking, who does look bad in this? 33 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: I said, Epstein kinda. 34 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: Well, she tries to actually make the victims look bad, 35 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: that they're not telling the truth. That all of these 36 00:01:54,240 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: women are somehow, I don't know, all together collectively tell 37 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: a story that didn't happen. And I'm sorry, but most 38 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: people who are familiar with this case and want more information, 39 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: I'm going to put it in quotes. Imagine me making 40 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: air quotes. The information that she passed along, frankly is 41 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: fiction from everything else that every other person has corroborations. 42 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: So here are your headlines from and again, this was 43 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: just the first interview. Remember they did two interviews with 44 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: her down in tallahassee day one and day two. We 45 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: just went through day one so far. We might do 46 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: a part two for you if if we can take it. 47 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 1: But these are the headlines at least from part one. 48 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: And according to Glainne Maxwell, there is no client list. 49 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: She did nothing wrong. Trump did nothing wrong. Clinton did 50 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: nothing wrong. Epstein might have done something wrong, and she 51 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: thinks Trump is a really really really really really really 52 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: nice guy and maybe so. 53 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: Nice that he might pardon her after all of this. 54 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: I certainly coincidentally was moved to a cushier prison after 55 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: she gave this interview. 56 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: Okay, you shound motivated. 57 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: She's motivated. 58 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, we're going to share that quote as well, 59 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: which is you might have seen it already, but it 60 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: is pretty special. The doozy, the tone sometimes robes did 61 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: seem cordial. 62 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: I was really taken aback by that. This didn't seem 63 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: like an investigator or even a deputy the Attorney General 64 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: who was a prosecutor, so to speak. Yes, he is 65 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: interviewing a convicted criminal, a convicted criminal who is accused, 66 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: not just accused of but convicted of heinous crimes against miners. 67 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: There was nothing adversarial about this interview. There seemed nothing where. 68 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: There was no hard hitting follow up. It was almost conciliatory, like, oh, 69 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: just kind and cordial and certainly polite, and that read 70 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: strange to me from the very beginning. It was almost 71 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: as if Todd Blanche was excited to be there in 72 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: her presence, and again. 73 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: He wasn't supposed in ness. I'm not sure what we 74 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: were expecting, but there are very there are a few 75 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: things that even in text read as cordial and friendly 76 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: or a warmth or familiarity at least in the room 77 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: that maybe it just wasn't in our minds. I don't 78 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: know what you expect. 79 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: And look, I know, when you're interviewing somebody and you 80 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: want somebody to tell you the truth or to maybe 81 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 2: go deeper than they were willing to before, you want 82 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 2: to make them feel comfortable. We interview people all the time, 83 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: not from a legal standpoint or any position of authority, 84 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: but certainly as a journalist, you want the person you're interviewing, 85 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 2: even if they're considered to be a bad egg or 86 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: a bad seed, you still want them to feel comfortable 87 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: telling you the truth. So I understand there is sometimes 88 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 2: a need to create a tone where someone feels safe, 89 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: so to speak. So he did start off letting her 90 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: know legally she was super safe. 91 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was. Look, he put that on the 92 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: record she signed. I can't remember what they called this 93 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: type of agreement. It wasn't a limited immunity. I believe 94 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: it's what they called it, right, So nothing here was 95 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: going to be held against her, But he's put this 96 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: on the record at the beginning. The most important part 97 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,679 Speaker 1: of this agreement is that this isn't a cooperation agreement, 98 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,119 Speaker 1: meaning that by you meeting with us today, we're really 99 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: just meeting. I'm not promising to do anything. 100 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: Uh huh. But again, can we point out just a 101 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 2: few days later, she was moved to a much better 102 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: prison facility. 103 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: Timing looks weird, but hey, he goes on to say, 104 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: I'm not promising to ask a judge, Nathan or any 105 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: of the judges that's been assigned to your case to 106 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: do anything. We're just talking, and so that's the most 107 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: important important part of this agreement. Sounds like a weird 108 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: first day of zone. 109 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: That was the most important part of the agreement that 110 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 2: he wanted people to know to make it look like 111 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: there was no quid pro quo going on. And yet 112 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but actions speak louder than words. 113 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: Well, I can't you know? We never there was never 114 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: publicly an answer as to what she was moved? Was 115 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: it because nothing official? 116 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 2: Because how could they? 117 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: But there was nothing official. They didn't even even try, 118 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: at least give it a shot at some bs for us. 119 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: They didn't even try. Wow, that's what they think of 120 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: as now. A lot of people curious about the trump 121 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: mentions that were throughout not as well. I shouldn't say 122 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: not that many, but they weren't that substantive. Necessarily, we 123 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: didn't learn a whole lot. I'll go at the exchange. 124 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: I'll do I'll be Todd Blanch sounds weird to say 125 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: you'd be Gallaine, Maxwell, You get what I'm saying. Hor 126 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: Todd ask which hair will you go at? The short 127 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: of it has to be the short? He asked, what 128 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: did you observe as far as President Trump and his 129 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: relationship with you or mister Epstein. 130 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: Gallaine says, President Trump was always cordial and very kind 131 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: to me. And I just want to say that I 132 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: find I admire his extraordinary achievement in becoming president. Now 133 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: I like him and I've always liked him. So that 134 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: is the sum and substance of my entire relationship with him. 135 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,239 Speaker 2: Exactly not subtle, Okay, I get it, and maybe rolling. 136 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: She might mean what she says. She might mean what 137 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: she says, but it's weird how she kind of slid 138 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: it in there when it wasn't really a part of 139 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: the question. 140 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: I just I actually found it nauseating. She was gushing, 141 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: we can take it for a while, called him the 142 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: consummate gentleman. She not only did she not say a 143 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: bad word about him, she praised it went above and 144 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: beyond talking about him. 145 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: Isn't she supposed to do that if this man is 146 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: one of your few options for ever getting out of 147 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: prison in the next two decades. Yeah, I'm out of 148 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:53,119 Speaker 1: gone farther. 149 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: Okay, baby, this is not political for me at all 150 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: when I make this next statement. This is just me 151 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: observing an an any level headed person looking at this 152 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: understands what's going on. The problem is if President Trump 153 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: directed his deputy Attorney general to sit down and talk 154 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: to Gallaine Maxwell in an effort of transparency, then release 155 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: those transcripts, and in all of that, we've got Glaine 156 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: talking about how President Trump did nothing wrong, he's always 157 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: been a gentleman, how much she likes him, how much 158 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: she admires him. Come on, that's tough. That's tough for 159 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: anyone to believe anything else. That then follows because everyone's motivated. 160 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: President Trump and the administration are motivated to say, we 161 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: didn't do anything wrong. And President Trump did nothing wrong 162 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: as it pertains to Jeffrey Epstein, he had nothing to 163 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: do with any of Epstein's crimes. Glene Maxwell has every 164 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: incentive to say that and to repeat it and to 165 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: because she is going to get something out of it. 166 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: Potentially she only has She has nothing to lose and 167 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: everything to gain. So how can you trust anyone in 168 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: that position period, who also has perjured herself multiple times? 169 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: So what's the point of any of this? 170 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: Exactly? So that's why so many people are pissed off 171 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 2: about it. 172 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: But there are motivations, none of them having to do 173 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: with anything is going to be beneficial to us. As 174 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: the truth, Yeah, nothing is. We didn't learn anything here 175 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: at all. 176 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: No truth was uncovered, no new information was divulged, and 177 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 2: most people. I shouldn't say most people, but many people 178 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 2: would argue that, in fact, the opposite has happened. Misinformation 179 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 2: has now been disseminated, and that's unfortunate. 180 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: But that is where this is a little more gutting. 181 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: When it going, you think about the family, like, how 182 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: do you refute because this is supposed to be the 183 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: one authority we have left at least this is Epstein, 184 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: Glaine and victims. So Epstein's gone, we even have Vica, 185 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: very much high profile victim Giufray has passed away. So 186 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: now the only record we're getting, or the latest record 187 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: or updated record, or even new information on the record, 188 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: as she's claiming, comes from the one woman left who 189 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: has repeatedly lied and who has an incentive to do 190 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: so at this point. So to their point, right, their 191 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: statement pointed that out, and it's offensive almost that she 192 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: is the voice of record. 193 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: Now, well, let's hope that that isn't what ends up lasting, 194 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 2: we should point out. Also making news today was that 195 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: Virginia Robert Truffrey wrote her story, wrote her memoir before 196 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: she passed away, in very chilling words. She sent an 197 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: email to her publisher a few weeks before her death. 198 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: She died by suicide in case you did not know, 199 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: but saying in case I die, basically, I still want 200 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: this release because the people need to know. So she 201 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 2: will end up having her say. But in the meantime, 202 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: her family had a lot to say about these transcripts 203 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 2: being released. They said that this gave Glaine Maxwell, a 204 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: convicted sex trafficker, a platform to re write history. And 205 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: I'll say exactly what their statement was. The content of 206 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: these transcripts is in direct contradiction with felon Galaine Maxwell's 207 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: conviction for child sex trafficking. This travesty of justice entirely 208 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 2: invalidates the experiences of the many brave survivors who put 209 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: their safety, security and lives on the line to ensure 210 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 2: her conviction, including our sister. And that's they were referring 211 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: to Virginia at that point. But I thought that was 212 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: so well said, and I got chills when I read 213 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: it because I felt their anger, as so many people do. 214 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 2: These are women, and they were children at the time 215 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 2: who weren't believed for years, who were shouting from the 216 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 2: rooftops in some cases, and put their words and their 217 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 2: experiences into court documents. And then some of them, including 218 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: Virginia fled the country and hiding out of fear of 219 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: retribution for what she said. So this is just disgusting, 220 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: frankly for a lot of these victims and their families 221 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 2: who have suffered over and over and over again by 222 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: the lies that have been told. 223 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: Well, there was plenty more in there, and some things 224 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: that people were curious about. Donald Trump, did he ever 225 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: get a massage? Bill Clinton? He ever get a massage? Well, 226 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: she answered a lot of those questions. She also answered 227 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: the question that everybody's been asking, why would she have 228 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: participated in recruiting young girls for Epstein, Well, she says, 229 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: you got it all wrong. She never did that. And 230 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: who are the other famous people that she named. 231 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ, 232 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: where we have gone through at least the first round 233 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: of interviews with Glene Maxwell by Todd Blanche, Deputy Attorney General, 234 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: And so those transcripts were released late Friday, and we're 235 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: talking four hundred pages in total for both of the 236 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 2: days of interviews. But we got through day one and 237 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: there was a lot to digest, a lot to dissect. 238 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: I found really what she didn't say was tough. But 239 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: some of the backstory. I don't know how much of 240 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: it can be believed about how she met Epstein, what 241 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: their relationship was like. I found all of that to 242 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: be fascinating, talking about when she spent the night with him, 243 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 2: when she traveled with him, when they stayed in the 244 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: same bed to all of those things were just interesting, 245 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 2: but of zero note or I guess, importance when it 246 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 2: comes to the crimes that she was convicted of committing, 247 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: and certainly the questions people have about other people involved 248 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: in some of these crimes, who they may be, what 249 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: she saw, what she knew, And that was frustrating to read. 250 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: What do you mean meaning that she basically exonerated everyone 251 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: they talked about, albeit a few folks she said who 252 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 2: got massages. She didn't imply in any way that those 253 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 2: massages were anything more than just massages. 254 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 1: Oh I didn't. There is nothing, according to her, nothing 255 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: ever happened with anybody, right, nothing. 256 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 2: Well, she did say that Epstein may have done a 257 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: few of the things he was charged with him. 258 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: Excuse me, but all this whole list of people who 259 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: are getting all these massages? Oh no, no, no, she said. 260 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: She's actually saying that nobody than Epstein, possibly. 261 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: Including Prince Andrews. She says that none of that could 262 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: have happened, and that flies. You know. She even said 263 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: the picture that we've all seen of Virginia Roberts at 264 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: seventeen years old next to Prince Andrew with her directly 265 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: in the background in her home in London, she claims 266 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: that that picture is a fake, it's fake, and that 267 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: none of it ever happened. However, should be noted, while 268 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: Prince Andrew has denied any of the allegations against him 269 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: as it pertains to Virginia, he did pay a million 270 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: dollar plus settlement to her in her civil lawsuit against him, 271 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: so of course criminally he was not charged, but certainly 272 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: it added to his is he officially out of the 273 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: royal family? He is he has been relieved of all 274 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: royal duties. 275 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: I can't keep it. Then they say he's coming back 276 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: a little bit because he showed up with this event 277 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: and I can't keep up with where he is. 278 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: But clearly the royal family and enough folks felt like 279 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: he there was some culpability there, and certainly with the 280 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: civil lawsuit. We don't know how it was settled, but 281 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: we know it was settled for a seven figure settlement. 282 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: All right to some of the Let's get to a 283 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: few more of the exchanges here. Todd Blanche asking Gallaine, 284 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: did you ever observe President Trump receive a massage? She responded, 285 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: you're supposed to. 286 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: Wait, I haven't gotten to that point yet. Where are 287 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: you right now? 288 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: Gilly Maxwell responds, never. I actually never saw the president 289 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: in any type of massage setting. I never witnessed the 290 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: president in any inappropriate setting in any way. The President 291 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: was never inappropriate with anybody in the times that I 292 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: was with him. He was a gentleman in all respects. 293 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: Again going out of her way, not just that he 294 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: never got a massage, He was never in a massage setting, 295 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: no anything appropriate in any way, never with any body. 296 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: She made sure to clear all that. 297 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: Up fully, completely and without a doubt, exonerated Donald Trump 298 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: forever being a part of anything untoward. 299 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: She did so with herself as well. And talking about abuse, 300 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: she was asked, did you observe over the years the 301 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: folks we're talking about, or others which we can talk about, 302 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: getting massages from young women? 303 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: Glaine responds with this, I thought about this obviously a lot, 304 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: and I've given it some So this is the benefit 305 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: of some benefit of what I saw and some benefit 306 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: of what I now think. I don't know what that means. 307 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: So just for clarity's sake, I just want to say 308 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: for the record that I do believe that Epstein did 309 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: a lot of not all, but some of what he's 310 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 2: accused of. And I'm not here to defend him in 311 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 2: any respect whatsoever. I don't want to, and I don't 312 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 2: think he requires nor deserves any type of protection from 313 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 2: me in any way to sugarcoat what he did or 314 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: didn't do. So there's that did What did she say? 315 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: There almost nothing? She will She went on to say 316 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: this about Epstein, the man that I met and the 317 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 2: man he became. I believe that there was a progression, 318 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: and I don't think that the man I met is 319 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 2: the man that he became. I believe he became that 320 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: over a period of time. 321 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: You know. 322 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: She goes on to talk about how she met Epstein 323 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety one. I think she slept with him 324 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 2: a few times. She said they stopped having sex in 325 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, and she wanted to make it apparent 326 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: that by the time he was arrested in twenty nineteen. 327 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 2: She said their relationship was almost non existent. So she 328 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: is clearly distancing herself from any of the criminal activities 329 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: that EPs needed, claiming that they happened after she was 330 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: around him, that the man she knew couldn't have didn't 331 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 2: She at least didn't see any of that all right. 332 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: She was also, of course, asked about what everybody's so 333 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: curious about other famous folks possibly that were in his world. 334 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: He was asked directly, who were the other famous or 335 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: politicians who were other individuals in mister Epstein's life during 336 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: that time period? So the early nineties, she. 337 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: Says, Congressman McMillan, Henry Wsofsky who was the provost of Harvard, 338 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 2: Joe Pagano, Jerry Goldsmith, Joe Roberts, Kenny Lipper, Dan Abramson. 339 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: Did you know those off the top of your head? No, 340 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: A couple of big time finance guy or two and 341 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: there big time lawyer in there. But I didn't know 342 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: those names. 343 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, But she just said, did any of these folks 344 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 2: stick to your mind as having received a massage? Because 345 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 2: these are just people who she's claiming he did business with. 346 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 2: These were legit business dealings, his clients, so to speak, 347 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 2: his financial clients. She pointed out that Henry Rossovski received 348 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: a massage. That's the provost of Harvard. We've heard Trump 349 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 2: refer to him as well. And they asked, why does 350 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 2: that stick out in your memory, and Goleaine says, because 351 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: I saw him in a bathrobe at seventy first Street 352 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: and he had received a massage. He told me. 353 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: She makes this all sound innocent, like just friends booking massages. 354 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: And I've read through so much of the transcript about 355 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: how just into massages Epstein was. She said she would 356 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: book massages and messuses for him, and it almost sounds crazy. 357 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: He always wanted a new messuse. He wanted to keep 358 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: trying them out. 359 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: Well, we know from the victims who have spoken out 360 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: Virginia specifically talking about being a young girl who was 361 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 2: a SPA assistant, giving a massage and being asked to 362 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: give naked massages. She was naked, he was naked, and 363 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: they progressed into sexual activity. It was interesting that Glen 364 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: also pointed out that Epstein, she claims, had a heart 365 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 2: condition and so he couldn't have intercourse. She said he 366 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 2: didn't like intercourse, but he liked other forms of sexual activity. 367 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 2: I don't know how that is, Like, I don't know 368 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 2: how that plays into the role or into the scenario 369 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 2: in which he allegedly perpetrated these sexual acts against these miners. 370 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: But again you'll see what we mean now. This re 371 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: is some kind of a page turning and romance novel. 372 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: Illicit and explicit, I should say, in a lot of ways, 373 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: but it's it's some strange details where I'm sure there's 374 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: plenty of here. She's not lying about some of the 375 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: biggest things. Maybe we're not getting the truth on, but 376 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: it was just interesting to hear her explain that, yes, 377 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: I recruited messusus because I went to legitimate spas. If 378 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: I got a massage I liked, I would say, hey, 379 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: and this person was working at a license place, so 380 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: I'm not checking their certification, I'm not checking their IDs. 381 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: They work at this nice spa, so I'm sure they 382 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: would show up and do them. She said, that's all 383 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: she did, and that was her role, and that was 384 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: the end of it, is how she explained in this transcript. 385 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: I hadn't heard that explanation before. 386 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: That's her explanation. But every single one of these young 387 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 2: women who describe her role in it say she absolutely 388 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: convinced them to go get these massages and then would 389 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 2: offer them more and more and more money. And she 390 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: picked women, young girls, I shouldn't say women, young girls 391 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: who came from broken homes, who needed money. They found 392 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: people who were vulnerable and who they could then give 393 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: large sums of money to send them out on private 394 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 2: planes bring them to exotic islands. So there was this 395 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 2: huge temptation and a way of life and financing a 396 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: life that they couldn't have dreamed of otherwise. So they 397 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: groomed these young women, according to the courts and according 398 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 2: to her conviction. So what she's saying is completely the 399 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: opposite of what the courts and the victims said. 400 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: Okay, And the idea of this infamous list. She was 401 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: asked directly by Todd Lange. So there's a lot of 402 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: conversation about whether mister Epstein maintained a list of people, 403 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: like a book of famous people that he knew, like 404 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: a it's called a black book, or a client list 405 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: or a list. Did you know of the existence of 406 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: such a list? She responds, there is no list. We'll 407 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: start with that. The genesis of that story I can 408 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: actually trace for you from its absolute inception if that 409 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: is what you're interested in, and at that point Todd 410 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: Blanche says it is. Then she goes into a story 411 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: I cannot even begin to describe. It's a long, confusing 412 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: story with twists and turns and players and plots and someone, ultimately, 413 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: she said, made up a list, faked a list to 414 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: get back at somebody for something, and then that became 415 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: part of legend. And this happened over years. But there 416 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: was never a real list of any kind that Epstein 417 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: kept himself. Is the story, okay? 418 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 2: I mean, and look, there has been no list produced 419 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: as of this date, so who knows that could actually 420 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 2: be true. It's hard to know what's true and what's 421 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 2: untrue when you're talking to somebody who is a convicted 422 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: perjurer and a convicted felon. I mean, it's just impossible 423 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 2: to know. 424 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: I don't think any of the conspiracy theorists, I don't 425 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: think anybody out there demanding answers. You don't even have 426 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: to be a conspiracy theorist until a list emerges, I 427 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: don't think they'll ever be satisfied. 428 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: No, because there's too many question marks and there are 429 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: too many people who have told too many untruths, and 430 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 2: too many people have died. I mean, that's really the 431 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: heart of it. I did want to point out too, 432 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 2: because this was this one really and I can't imagine 433 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 2: what this is like for the families and for the 434 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: victims themselves to hear Glene Maxwell say this. But when 435 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 2: she talked about those messuses, do you remember when she 436 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 2: said this to Todd To toad Blanch she said, I 437 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 2: saw him meeting Jeffrey Epstein with lots of messuses. I 438 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 2: never saw a single massuse ever look unhappy or not 439 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: come back or whatever. So based on my observations, I 440 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 2: don't think that if you're being raped as now, he's 441 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 2: like this prolific, I just can't imagine you would return. 442 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: That is such a slap in the face to these 443 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 2: women who have spoken out. 444 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: You're essentially saying, well, they kept coming. 445 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 2: Back, and they didn't look unhappy. 446 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: She claimed she doesn't know what was happening in those rooms, okay, 447 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: but she said her only evidence of it is whether 448 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: or not they were coming back. So, uh, that's a 449 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: tough one. I read. That's that's the toughest thing I 450 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: read of hers. It's how that came. I don't think 451 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: if you're being raped, I can't imagine you would return. 452 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: That's uh, that's tough. 453 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 2: It happens, I mean, the way these come to describe it, 454 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 2: young girls describe it. It happened slowly, it happened incrementally. 455 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 2: They were groomed, they were given money. This is a 456 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 2: unfortunately a classic exam of grooming. And she, according to 457 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 2: her convictions, knew exactly what was going on, knew exactly 458 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 2: what she was doing, and knew exactly what was happening 459 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: behind closed doors. 460 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: And the last snugger will give you here is this 461 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: stuff about of course Clinton and Epstein, a connection that 462 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: those two might have had. She was asked about that, 463 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: she said, I we should give this well the question 464 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: the Q and A. Here do you know whether, for example, 465 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: President Clinton ever received a massage? She responds, I don't believe. 466 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: So he then asked the follow up, saying, and what 467 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: makes you say you don't believe he did, at which 468 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: point Gleane answered, that's a good question. The time that 469 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: Epstein and President Clinton spent together the only times I believe, 470 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: and well, obviously they traveled there was that you know, 471 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: the plane they went on the plane twenty six times 472 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: or whatever. That would be one journey. So they spent 473 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: time on the plane together, and I don't believe there 474 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: was ever a massage on the plane. So that would 475 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: have been the only time that I think that Resident 476 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: Clinton could have ever received a massage, and he didn't 477 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: because I was there, right. 478 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 2: But notice how many times she says I think I believe, 479 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: I don't believe. I think that, Like she doesn't even 480 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 2: say her denial of all of this isn't even resolute. 481 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 2: I guess that last sentence, and he didn't because I 482 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 2: was there. That was probably the firmest thing she said. 483 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,479 Speaker 2: Everything else was couched. I noticed in a lot of 484 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 2: what she said in her responses, she kept saying it 485 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 2: was twenty years ago. It was X amount of years ago, 486 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 2: to the best of my recollection. So she's couching everything 487 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 2: she's saying. Because it is fair to point out that 488 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 2: Todd Blanche did also say at the beginning of this, 489 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 2: while there is no deal that was being made or 490 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: no promises being given, if she lied, she could still 491 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: be prosecuted for lying. But that would all have to 492 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 2: be proven, wouldn't it. 493 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: Yes, And who can prove it at this point. Everybody's 494 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: unfortunately frankly passed away or no incentive to speak. The 495 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: last thing she asked here, I didn't realize this, but 496 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: as y'all know, Glen Maxwell was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding. 497 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? 498 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a picture of it. 499 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, she attended the wedding. She was asked if 500 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: she had attended any weddings with Epstein. She says she 501 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: didn't think she'd ever done so, and she had to 502 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: be reminded that she went to Clinton's daughter's wedding, but 503 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: she had gone with her boyfriend at the time, Ted Waite, 504 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: who was a friend of President Clinton. It's just those 505 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: circles at those levels and these folks, and it's just 506 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: they talk about money and politics and all of this. 507 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: A woman sitting in prison for twenty years now for 508 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: sex trafficking was attending the wedding of the president's daughter, 509 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: just casually hanging out there. 510 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 2: Well, she made a point to say in this interview 511 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 2: that she was the one who was friends with the Clintons, 512 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 2: not Epstein, That she's the one who introduced Epstein to 513 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 2: Clinton in that sense, like she brought him into that world, 514 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 2: not vice versa. 515 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: My goodness, we'll China. You want to try to get 516 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: through rewards to you. 517 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 2: Yes, I think so. Although I mean, look, it wasn't 518 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 2: a hard read at all. I mean it was a 519 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: fascinating read. But again, as long as you look at 520 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 2: it as fiction, I guess it doesn't do the harm 521 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 2: that it could. But it doesn't take away the sting 522 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 2: that her words must have and certainly have had on 523 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 2: the victims and their families. So that's where our heart and. 524 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: Our thoughts are, right folks, We always appreciate you hanging 525 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: with us. We'll see you soon. We've got some reading 526 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: to do.