WEBVTT - Good Riddance to White Supremacists 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.640 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to book f Daily with 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:20.000 Meet Your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks. 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:25.520 Late last week, Carolyn Bryant died at the age of 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:30.120 eighty eight, and you may be asking yourself, Who's Carolyn Bryant. 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:38.120 Carolyn Bryant was the white woman who lied and said 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:44.240 that in nineteen fifty five, Emmett Till, fourteen year old boy, 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:52.159 whistled at her and for that lie, he was savagely lynched. 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:58.520 His mother would later used his broken and bruised and 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:07.240 battered body to show the world what white supremacy does, 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:17.920 what racism does. Mammy Till was courageous because of Carolyn 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:24.200 Bryant's lies, she had to bury her son, her baby. 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:30.479 We love to use in mainstream media black and white 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:37.120 photos in imagery in order to showcase how long ago 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:43.760 something was. You see, Carolyn Bryan died at the age 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:47.680 of eighty eight from cancer. I pray to God in 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:53.840 the universe. It was excruciating because she got to live 0:01:53.960 --> 0:02:02.640 out a full and complete life, probably married, had kids, grandkids, 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:08.760 when on vacations, made friends, lost friends, worked, lived a 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:17.760 full and complete life without any accountability or responsibility for 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:27.160 a lie, a vicious, disgusting, deceitful lie that cost a 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:34.760 young fourteen year old boy his life and would ignite 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:40.280 be one of the many flames that would ignite the 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:46.400 civil rights movement. Now, what America loves to pretend is 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:53.640 that our racist history is so far gone. Look how 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:59.880 far we have come. Carolin Bryant was eighty eight years old. 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:09.520 There are people who are alive walking around have yet 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:18.000 to retire, that remember the Jim Crow South, that were 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:22.320 a part of what is not taught in American history 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:29.000 about the great migration of black families that would leave 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:33.280 the South and move to a just as racist, but 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:41.000 not as violent North, and spread across this country, which 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:46.880 is why you have many stronghold pockets of black people 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:56.120 in the Midwest and in northern States. We like to 0:03:56.200 --> 0:04:03.320 believe that our history is longer than it is, and 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:08.560 it's not. Recently. We also lost, but this was an 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:12.560 actual lost. Whereas Carolyn Bryant's death is good riddance. I 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.240 hope that you never rest well, and I hope that 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.599 the fires of hell get you. And I mean that 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:24.680 sincerely from the bottom of my heart. Who we did 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:35.000 lose was Harry Belafonte, activist, singer, actor, philanthropist who used 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:40.680 his celebrity to give a platform and a voice to 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:44.400 the civil rights movement, who used his own money to 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:49.800 bail out numerous times. His friend Martin Luther King Junior, 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:56.719 who sat next to his wife, Coreta Scott King at 0:04:56.720 --> 0:05:03.159 his friend's funeral. Please forget that these people that we 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:08.120 talk about in history were real people, not just symbols. 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:14.440 Who risk their lives, who risk their celebrities, who risk 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:23.919 their platforms to voice movements to usher in change. I 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:27.240 say it all the time because it's important for us 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.719 to really understand that this country is at yet another 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:37.720 inflection point where you have schools in Texas that are 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:44.200 about to display the Ten Commandments, that are bringing back 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:54.080 prayer in school, passing legislation. This is indoctrination. Everything that 0:05:54.160 --> 0:06:03.000 we thought that made America great, that created a separation 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:08.240 between church and state in our public places, is now 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:18.400 being pulled back while they are racing history, going to 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:28.159 war on consciousness, undemocratically removing elected officials from being able 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:35.040 to speak and debate the issues. They did it in Tennessee. 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:40.719 They just did it in Montana with the first trans 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:52.160 woman elected to the state legislature. There, Zoe Zeppyr. Our history, 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:58.640 if we actually were taught it, we would recognize is 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:03.200 not that old, and we would be able to recognize 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:07.160 and acknowledge the same patterns in the same tactics that 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:12.840 were used to thwart the civil rights movement in the 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:19.040 nineteen fifties and prior are being used now and they 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.920 are winning at the state and local level, not yet 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:27.680 at the federal. But that is what the twenty twenty 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:37.360 four elections will be about. I bring up this history 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:45.760 to say, we have been here before. None of this 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:52.240 is new. Who is being attacked may have changed, not 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:59.680 just black people being shot and lynched in the streets, 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:05.160 but attacks on trans people, attacks on queer people for 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:14.040 daring to exist in their skin. We have got to 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:20.520 understand and learn and unpack our history so that we 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:25.400 can take the tools that were used and be able 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:27.360 to institute them. 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:28.040 Now. 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:41.680 We have been in this dark, dangerous place before, which 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.880 means that we have to bring the light if we 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:51.920 are to get to the other side. That is what 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:56.400 they want us to believe is not true, that their 0:08:56.600 --> 0:09:02.400 America is inevitable, and it is up to us to 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:12.000 call bullshit on their white supremacist wet dreams. Coming up next, 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:17.320 my conversation with our friend, our in house doctor, doctor 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:23.240 Jonathan Metzel. Folks, you know that whenever I have an 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:26.319 opportunity each week to speak with our in house doctor, 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.360 doctor Jonathan Metzel, I'm always thrilled. And I've never met 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.520 a person that is committed to this show more than 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:36.000 I am, which is Jonathan, who is literally in transit 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:43.760 right now but able to join the show. Jonathan. The 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:51.280 Tennessee Three, who were made famous by the Republican Legislature 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:58.000 after trying to boot them from their duties as elected representatives, 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:02.080 have made their way to the White House for a 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:06.600 sit down with President Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris. 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:11.280 I wanted to get your reactions to this meeting and 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:16.959 the President really talking about his commitment to democracy and 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:20.760 applauding them for the movement that they've started. 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.480 Well, hey, everybody across America, I'm delighted to be here. 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.560 I'm actually driving in a car across from Michigan right now. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.640 It's a beautiful day. I'm driving through farmland and just 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:34.120 happy to be part of this conversation. And I will say, 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:36.840 you know, I think that there are a couple things 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:38.880 to think about with the Tennessee three and why that 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.400 was important. First of all, of course, is that the 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:45.240 issue it was a huge issue about Tennessee, but it 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.360 was also an issue about democracy. In other words, these 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:53.600 were three democratically elected congress people who if not for 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:58.200 one vote with regard to one of the politicians, just 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:04.160 literally one vote, and then kind of a loophole that 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:09.160 the counties could could basically just reappoint at the other 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.760 two congress people they would have We would have three 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:17.040 democratically elected people who were just kicked out for something 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.959 that was no more egregious than anything else, that. 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.079 Less egregious than other people have done it. 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:28.040 So it represented something much much larger about democracy. And 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.800 so I'm really glad that. I'm glad the story got 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.199 so much attention, honestly, but I'm also glad. I think 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.280 what's important is we see this a lot. I've seen 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.480 this with gun issues and things like that, which is 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.240 something will get a lot of attention, and then we'll 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.240 move on to the next story, because there's always something next. 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.000 And so I'm also really glad that the president and 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.880 the Vice president are basically making a sign that they're 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.480 going to keep this in the public eye, which is 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:54.520 what they're doing by this thing to basically say, even 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:58.240 when the news cycle, even when the news cycle changes, 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:00.600 we're going to learn from this, because I do think 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:04.840 that the bigger issue about about just you know, standing 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:07.880 up for the sanctity of elected officials is something that 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:11.360 is playing out across America and it's something that needs 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.640 to be sustained beyond just one news cycle. 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.480 Yeah, I think that that's right, because you know, one 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.520 of the issues that I think that you know, all 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:24.360 of our important issues have, whether it be climate change, 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.160 that where we are talking about climate change and the 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:32.280 effects when a superstorm or super tornado or of fire 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.360 is burning in this country and destroys homes and property, 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.360 then we want to have this conversation, and then it 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:43.480 goes away. This similarly is true unfortunately as it pertains 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:47.200 to gun violence. You have the mass shootings in the headlines, 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:50.920 and then it goes away. And I think that to 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.040 your point that both the president and the Vice president, 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:59.240 the vice president flew down to Tennessee, you know, when 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:03.160 all of this was happening to signal just how committed 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.640 the White House I think and the Biden administration is 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.599 to keeping this front of mind. I also wanted to 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:14.280 get your thoughts Jonathan too, because as well as as 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:19.840 as this meeting that took place, Joe Biden, President Biden announced, 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:24.560 you know, via his video, his bid for reelection in 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:28.480 twenty twenty four. In the video, right, which I'm certain 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:33.359 that you've seen by now, you know, we see massive protests, 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:38.440 we see you know, protest signs with a slash through guns. 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:42.680 We are talking about abortion, and you know, somebody had said, 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:46.000 one of the analysts on cable news had you know, 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:50.600 lifted up that this is the first time which is 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:52.640 really hard to believe, but I don't doubt it. It 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:57.079 is the first time that a re election campaign where 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:02.440 Democrats are actually going out and talking these really critical 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:06.040 issues that are also controversial. So I wanted to get 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.560 your thoughts on what you make of what you made 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:14.400 of the video, but of the clear inclusion of both 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:18.280 abortion being a key issue and guns. 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.800 Well, let me say two things first, because I think 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:23.800 these two isstions we're talking about are connected. And so 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:26.280 the first thing I want to say before jumping over 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:29.680 to Biden is the reason that Tennessee three is important 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.560 in relation to the twenty four election, is that the 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.480 playbook that the Republicans were going to use or are 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:40.040 using to basically get people out of elected office. It 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:44.600 wasn't just about the Tennessee State House. They were have 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.120 been doing or are going to try to do this 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:52.240 same thing with a bunch of different important positions across 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.200 red state America. The person who actually started the ball 0:14:55.360 --> 0:15:01.280 rolling was DeSantis, who you know, state defense and prosecutors 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:06.080 are democratically elected in Florida, and with minimal fanfare, he 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:10.800 just pushed out a prosecutor, an elected prosecutor in Florida, 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.200 basically saying I'm going to replace you. And I think 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.680 there were plans or our plans to do the same thing, 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.960 not just for these high profile cases. I think they 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.720 honestly screwed up by not realizing how high profile this 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:29.280 was going to be, but for election positions and attorneys 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:33.680 general and things like that I know across Tennessee, Kansas, Missouri, 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.320 other places. And so I think part of the reason 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.240 that standing up for the Tennessee three in relation to 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.280 the twenty twenty four election is important is because it 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:46.760 has direct out direct It's not just about democracy as 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.080 a policy it's about democracy in relation to how votes 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.400 are going to be counted in twenty twenty four. So 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:58.560 I just wanted to make that point first. I'm curious, 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.200 you know, you and I will be talking about this lot. 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:05.760 I mean, I mean Biden's strategy. I mean, let's be honest, 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.320 Biden is not the most charismatic person who's ever who's 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:15.040 ever run for presidents. So so, but I do think 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:18.040 that Biden as a comparison. I mean, basically, we're betting 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:24.120 a lot on the Republicans, the Republicans being very extreme. 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.280 I mean, if I was a Republican strategist right now, 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:29.800 I would say, run back towards the middle, and so 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:32.200 you know, say, oh, we're. 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.440 Oh, they're too Jonathan, They're too far off a cliff no, 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.520 to even to even take that, to even take what 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:42.960 would logically be a good campaign strategy to even do that, 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.000 Like the there is no way for them to run 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.040 back to the middle, because they are literally over. They 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:50.080 have jumped the shark at this. 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:51.280 I know that's true. 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:53.560 I just feel like we're betting the house on them 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.320 being crazy, and I'm sure they are going to be crazy, 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.200 you know, and push each other other to the right, 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:04.040 But I do think we're opening a place where if 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.040 they I mean, again, I agree with you, they're not 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.800 going to do it. But you know, elections are one 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:12.119 and loss based on independent voters, middle middle of the 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:16.880 road voters, and so we're betting a lot on them 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.840 running the same playbook that they ran that they've been running, 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.280 which I'm sure is right. But if for any reason 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.239 they don't do that, then worse then. 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.840 But I mean, I just even like, here's the thing 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.760 is that I'm going to push back on you a 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.199 bit in terms of the independent voters and middle of 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.800 the road voters because by virtue of the Republican Party 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:40.320 running so far to the right and and airing out 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:45.040 their extremism and their white Christian fascist views on pretty 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:49.119 much everything from books to LGBTQ people, to voting, to 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:54.480 history to curriculum to abortion, Like, there is no there's 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:56.560 no way to put the hood back on, there's no 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:58.800 way to put the genie back in the bottle here, 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.960 because the you can point to the four hundred pieces 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.480 of legislation that have been put out to ban you know, 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:10.400 queer existence in this country in Red States. You can 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:14.040 point to the book banning that is happening in every 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.440 red state. You can point to all of these things. 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.080 So even if Donald Trumport to say, oh, I think 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:23.000 abortion is a losing issue, well it's too late, right, 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:27.080 because the red state legislatures, once Dobs was overturned last summer, 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:32.200 went all the way to either heartbeat quote unquote so 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:36.680 called heartbeat bills or no abortion at all whatsoever, even 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.399 at six weeks or in the case of rapeen incests. 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.680 So for the messaging on the point on the side 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:46.520 of Democrats, like all they have to do is run 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:50.480 the clips, you know where you have Republican legislatures talking 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:55.600 about rolling back child labor laws, rolling back and rolling 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.399 back marriage laws and saying that they know people that 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.000 have been married since twelve then that's it's okay because 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.080 it's not incest. So I just want to say that 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.520 I think that by virtue of the Republican Party going 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:11.840 so far extreme that whoever we believe to still be 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.520 in the middle is no longer in the middle because 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:18.439 every issue, every issue that you would have been middle 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:22.080 of the road on because they didn't step in that puddle, 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:23.480 yet they've been jumping in. 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:23.840 Yeah. 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.400 No, let me be clear, like I'm not saying that's 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.040 what I think they're going to do. And I'll even 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.520 one up you on what you said, which is, there's 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:33.960 no way to take the hood off. The hood is on, 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:36.800 like there's no doubt about that. So I have no 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.479 doubt that the hood is on, like there's the record 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:42.720 is there. What I said was, if I was a 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:46.480 Republican strategist, that's what I would be saying, because I 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.879 think I guess the issue I was saying is the 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:54.280 Democrats are playing their cards early by picking Biden. First 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:56.679 of all, of course he's the incumbent, there's history there 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:00.439 By picking Biden, you're not picking enough a bunch of 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:04.040 other people. You're not going to have competitive debates. So 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:07.440 you're basically picking Biden because he's beaten Trump and he's 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:11.080 the anti Trump. And you're picking Biden because of course 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:14.680 he's got a track record which people people care about. 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:16.960 But you know, people vote in presidential elections for a 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:20.800 bunch of different reasons. And then you're then you're highlighting 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:24.160 all the extreme stuff that the the Republicans have done. 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:26.800 And so I don't I don't doubt that that's probably 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:28.240 what's going to happen. I mean, I think there are 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:31.000 a lot of very smart people who see in the 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:33.880 inevitability of Trump getting the nomination, of Trump not being 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:38.640 able to control himself. But I but, but, but but 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.960 but I think it really increases the Like I mean, 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:43.520 let's think about it, and you and I've talked about 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:45.720 this a lot, like why did why did Biden win 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.840 in twenty He won because people were afraid of Trump? 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:54.080 Because Trump completely, you know, fracked up COVID. He he 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:56.600 had a whole debate where he had COVID on stage 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:00.119 and we were checking the audience and was sweating. He 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.639 suppressed the mail in vote, right, he was going against 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.760 the Post office, so Republicans didn't vote mail in, which 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:11.480 was a huge deal for Democrats. And so I'm just saying, 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:14.119 and of course we learn from that also, But I 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:18.520 just if the Republicans make exactly the same mistakes, again, 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:22.080 it's totally a cakewalk. I feel like there's going to 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:25.359 be something like they'd be crazy to not say everybody 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:27.679 do mail in ballots, or let's make it easier to 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:29.640 do something like that. So I just don't think they're 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:32.159 going to make the same mistakes. And so I just 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.600 think it's going to be a harder campaign for Biden, 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:37.640 which is maybe why making the stakes very clear right 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:41.960 now about you might not love Biden, but here's the alternative. 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:45.879 Maybe that's the Maybe that's the winning argument. It's about democracy, 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:47.320 it's about abortion, it's about guns. 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:51.199 But I just think, I just, I mean, I just 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:55.840 don't think that this race is going to be I mean, 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:58.600 I think that twenty twenty was damn near and possible, 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:03.320 and I don't see any difference between this presidential race 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:06.160 and maybe I'm being you know, I think that they're 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:11.200 they're both equally as difficult. Right twenty twenty, we were 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:14.520 at the in the height of a pandemic, and he 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:17.399 was able to pull out the election. And this was 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:22.160 a man who until you know, mister Clyburn in South 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:26.360 Carolina came out full force and said we're going with Biden, 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:30.199 like he was just floating in the water right of 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:33.680 the primary. And so when I look at now, with 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:36.760 twelve million jobs, you know that he's added to the 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:41.880 economy more than any president ever. When I look at 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.640 the Supreme Court nomination, when I look at the infrastructure bill, 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:46.920 when I actually look at these things, and I say 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:52.320 this as somebody who was not a pro Biden person, right, 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:56.159 But I'm just like, he has surprised me at every 0:22:56.240 --> 0:23:00.520 single turn over the course of his first term, and 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:03.560 I can't and as somebody who was on the fence, 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:06.520 not even on the fence for him, I wasn't even 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:07.440 in the room for him. 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:10.119 We have a record of that because I talked you 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:13.520 into him on this show, and yeah, so I of 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:15.600 course I know that. And I think he's done a 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:18.040 very admirable job as president, there's no doubt about that. 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:19.480 I totally agree with you. 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:21.919 But but I think there are gonna be a lot 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:25.040 of twists and turns that are they're just I mean, 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:28.600 like what if what if he goes to prison trap 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:30.479 or something, you know, like there's so many things that 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:34.440 could happen. My only point is we're we're laying down 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:37.480 the green the groundwork very early of the choice, right. 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:40.159 It's like you, you know, for people who might be 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:43.320 on the fence about Biden, even still here's the choice. 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:47.160 And I think it'll be interesting to see how how 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:51.040 the Republicans respond to that, you know, and now without 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.480 Tucker Carlson, without all this stuff, it'll just be I 0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:55.159 think this is going to be a lot. This is 0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:56.320 going to be a lot of work, which is no 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:58.720 surprise to anybody, but but I think it'll be a 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:01.960 lot of work. But I of course I think it's great, 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:04.280 and I think it's important that the Democrats lay down 0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:07.160 the stakes of this election early, lay down the terms 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:10.280 of the debate early, and I would just bet it's 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:11.879 going to be a lot of work and they're going 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:13.600 to be twist and turns that are unexpected. 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:22.040 What do you think about guns, Jonathan, being one of 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:26.560 the things that is the issue that Biden is going 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:31.720 to lean into. Do you think that for the movement? 0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:37.520 And I'm talking expressly about the movement, not necessarily electability. 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:42.240 Is this what the movement has needed, which is for 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:47.160 Democrats not to just be reactive, but to be proactive 0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:52.840 in pushing because we finally have reached maybe our limit 0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:56.920 in terms of how many children's deaths were willing to take. 0:24:57.320 --> 0:24:59.439 Well, I think it's important for two reasons. I'm going 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:03.760 to give you both to the coin here. The caveat 0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:07.920 is that historically, even though you know, Democrats love to 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:11.560 stats like eighty five percent of people support background checks, 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:14.280 but that doesn't mean that eighty five percent of people 0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:17.919 will vote for Democrats because they support background checks. So 0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:21.439 guns have not historically been an issue that people vote on. 0:25:21.840 --> 0:25:25.359 It's been across half the country actually a political loser. 0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:27.320 So even though eighty five percent of people will tell 0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:32.560 polsters that they support common sense gun reform, people don't 0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:35.639 go to the ballot and vote based on gun issues. 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:40.520 That has not historically not been Republicans are much more 0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:44.119 likely to vote based on guns, and so it's been 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:47.280 an issue that people don't vote on. But I think 0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:50.359 that things are different now. Things are really different now 0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:56.359 because young voters really care about gun reform. And so 0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:59.480 people twenty five and under, the people in Nashville who 0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:02.840 just add a four mile human chain, the people who 0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:08.040 went out to support that, the Nashville three, you know 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:11.399 who who who were protesting after the mass shooting. So 0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:14.679 I do think that appealing to gun reform is a 0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:18.280 real winner now because young because young voters are so engaged, 0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:20.720 and so I'm kind of betting that we're going to 0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:24.800 see a shift in guns as a as a as 0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:27.320 a ballot as a ballot issue. I think that's what 0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:30.280 they're betting on because it really does mobilize young voters 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:34.159 who really and truly care about this issue, and so 0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:36.679 I think it's smart right now, even though I wouldn't 0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:39.320 have said that even six months ago, right. 0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:41.600 And that and that's I think that that's kind of 0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:45.679 that was the thing that stood out to me, you know, 0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:50.080 obviously alongside you know, there were three things in in 0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:56.280 the campaign video, which was abortion, guns, and democracy and 0:26:56.359 --> 0:27:01.960 actually referring to MAGA extremism. And I think that what 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:07.439 this administration has seen and what you know is it 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:12.000 is really growth. Because when Joe Biden came into office 0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:14.440 in twenty twenty, I think that he thought that there 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:19.080 were still reasonable Republicans for him to sit down, share 0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:22.879 a drink with and like hammer out deals, you know, 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:26.320 to better America. I think over the course of his 0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:30.440 first term, he is realized that those days are gone, right, 0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:32.320 that the people that he thought that he was going 0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.840 to be able to rely on to be the adults 0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:39.400 in the room, drank the kool aid of MAGA and Trump. 0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:43.439 And so I think that by virtue of him looking 0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:48.679 at the base and seeing how young people, how black people, 0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:52.679 how people of color ushered him into the presidency in 0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:56.400 twenty twenty and the issues that are important to them 0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:58.840