Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to book f Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet Your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks.
Speaker 1: Late last week, Carolyn Bryant died at the age of
Speaker 1: eighty eight, and you may be asking yourself, Who's Carolyn Bryant.
Speaker 1: Carolyn Bryant was the white woman who lied and said
Speaker 1: that in nineteen fifty five, Emmett Till, fourteen year old boy,
Speaker 1: whistled at her and for that lie, he was savagely lynched.
Speaker 1: His mother would later used his broken and bruised and
Speaker 1: battered body to show the world what white supremacy does,
Speaker 1: what racism does. Mammy Till was courageous because of Carolyn
Speaker 1: Bryant's lies, she had to bury her son, her baby.
Speaker 1: We love to use in mainstream media black and white
Speaker 1: photos in imagery in order to showcase how long ago
Speaker 1: something was. You see, Carolyn Bryan died at the age
Speaker 1: of eighty eight from cancer. I pray to God in
Speaker 1: the universe. It was excruciating because she got to live
Speaker 1: out a full and complete life, probably married, had kids, grandkids,
Speaker 1: when on vacations, made friends, lost friends, worked, lived a
Speaker 1: full and complete life without any accountability or responsibility for
Speaker 1: a lie, a vicious, disgusting, deceitful lie that cost a
Speaker 1: young fourteen year old boy his life and would ignite
Speaker 1: be one of the many flames that would ignite the
Speaker 1: civil rights movement. Now, what America loves to pretend is
Speaker 1: that our racist history is so far gone. Look how
Speaker 1: far we have come. Carolin Bryant was eighty eight years old.
Speaker 1: There are people who are alive walking around have yet
Speaker 1: to retire, that remember the Jim Crow South, that were
Speaker 1: a part of what is not taught in American history
Speaker 1: about the great migration of black families that would leave
Speaker 1: the South and move to a just as racist, but
Speaker 1: not as violent North, and spread across this country, which
Speaker 1: is why you have many stronghold pockets of black people
Speaker 1: in the Midwest and in northern States. We like to
Speaker 1: believe that our history is longer than it is, and
Speaker 1: it's not. Recently. We also lost, but this was an
Speaker 1: actual lost. Whereas Carolyn Bryant's death is good riddance. I
Speaker 1: hope that you never rest well, and I hope that
Speaker 1: the fires of hell get you. And I mean that
Speaker 1: sincerely from the bottom of my heart. Who we did
Speaker 1: lose was Harry Belafonte, activist, singer, actor, philanthropist who used
Speaker 1: his celebrity to give a platform and a voice to
Speaker 1: the civil rights movement, who used his own money to
Speaker 1: bail out numerous times. His friend Martin Luther King Junior,
Speaker 1: who sat next to his wife, Coreta Scott King at
Speaker 1: his friend's funeral. Please forget that these people that we
Speaker 1: talk about in history were real people, not just symbols.
Speaker 1: Who risk their lives, who risk their celebrities, who risk
Speaker 1: their platforms to voice movements to usher in change. I
Speaker 1: say it all the time because it's important for us
Speaker 1: to really understand that this country is at yet another
Speaker 1: inflection point where you have schools in Texas that are
Speaker 1: about to display the Ten Commandments, that are bringing back
Speaker 1: prayer in school, passing legislation. This is indoctrination. Everything that
Speaker 1: we thought that made America great, that created a separation
Speaker 1: between church and state in our public places, is now
Speaker 1: being pulled back while they are racing history, going to
Speaker 1: war on consciousness, undemocratically removing elected officials from being able
Speaker 1: to speak and debate the issues. They did it in Tennessee.
Speaker 1: They just did it in Montana with the first trans
Speaker 1: woman elected to the state legislature. There, Zoe Zeppyr. Our history,
Speaker 1: if we actually were taught it, we would recognize is
Speaker 1: not that old, and we would be able to recognize
Speaker 1: and acknowledge the same patterns in the same tactics that
Speaker 1: were used to thwart the civil rights movement in the
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties and prior are being used now and they
Speaker 1: are winning at the state and local level, not yet
Speaker 1: at the federal. But that is what the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four elections will be about. I bring up this history
Speaker 1: to say, we have been here before. None of this
Speaker 1: is new. Who is being attacked may have changed, not
Speaker 1: just black people being shot and lynched in the streets,
Speaker 1: but attacks on trans people, attacks on queer people for
Speaker 1: daring to exist in their skin. We have got to
Speaker 1: understand and learn and unpack our history so that we
Speaker 1: can take the tools that were used and be able
Speaker 1: to institute them.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: We have been in this dark, dangerous place before, which
Speaker 1: means that we have to bring the light if we
Speaker 1: are to get to the other side. That is what
Speaker 1: they want us to believe is not true, that their
Speaker 1: America is inevitable, and it is up to us to
Speaker 1: call bullshit on their white supremacist wet dreams. Coming up next,
Speaker 1: my conversation with our friend, our in house doctor, doctor
Speaker 1: Jonathan Metzel. Folks, you know that whenever I have an
Speaker 1: opportunity each week to speak with our in house doctor,
Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzel, I'm always thrilled. And I've never met
Speaker 1: a person that is committed to this show more than
Speaker 1: I am, which is Jonathan, who is literally in transit
Speaker 1: right now but able to join the show. Jonathan. The
Speaker 1: Tennessee Three, who were made famous by the Republican Legislature
Speaker 1: after trying to boot them from their duties as elected representatives,
Speaker 1: have made their way to the White House for a
Speaker 1: sit down with President Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get your reactions to this meeting and
Speaker 1: the President really talking about his commitment to democracy and
Speaker 1: applauding them for the movement that they've started.
Speaker 3: Well, hey, everybody across America, I'm delighted to be here.
Speaker 3: I'm actually driving in a car across from Michigan right now.
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful day. I'm driving through farmland and just
Speaker 3: happy to be part of this conversation. And I will say,
Speaker 3: you know, I think that there are a couple things
Speaker 3: to think about with the Tennessee three and why that
Speaker 3: was important. First of all, of course, is that the
Speaker 3: issue it was a huge issue about Tennessee, but it
Speaker 3: was also an issue about democracy. In other words, these
Speaker 3: were three democratically elected congress people who if not for
Speaker 3: one vote with regard to one of the politicians, just
Speaker 3: literally one vote, and then kind of a loophole that
Speaker 3: the counties could could basically just reappoint at the other
Speaker 3: two congress people they would have We would have three
Speaker 3: democratically elected people who were just kicked out for something
Speaker 3: that was no more egregious than anything else, that.
Speaker 2: Less egregious than other people have done it.
Speaker 3: So it represented something much much larger about democracy. And
Speaker 3: so I'm really glad that. I'm glad the story got
Speaker 3: so much attention, honestly, but I'm also glad. I think
Speaker 3: what's important is we see this a lot. I've seen
Speaker 3: this with gun issues and things like that, which is
Speaker 3: something will get a lot of attention, and then we'll
Speaker 3: move on to the next story, because there's always something next.
Speaker 3: And so I'm also really glad that the president and
Speaker 3: the Vice president are basically making a sign that they're
Speaker 3: going to keep this in the public eye, which is
Speaker 3: what they're doing by this thing to basically say, even
Speaker 3: when the news cycle, even when the news cycle changes,
Speaker 3: we're going to learn from this, because I do think
Speaker 3: that the bigger issue about about just you know, standing
Speaker 3: up for the sanctity of elected officials is something that
Speaker 3: is playing out across America and it's something that needs
Speaker 3: to be sustained beyond just one news cycle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's right, because you know, one
Speaker 1: of the issues that I think that you know, all
Speaker 1: of our important issues have, whether it be climate change,
Speaker 1: that where we are talking about climate change and the
Speaker 1: effects when a superstorm or super tornado or of fire
Speaker 1: is burning in this country and destroys homes and property,
Speaker 1: then we want to have this conversation, and then it
Speaker 1: goes away. This similarly is true unfortunately as it pertains
Speaker 1: to gun violence. You have the mass shootings in the headlines,
Speaker 1: and then it goes away. And I think that to
Speaker 1: your point that both the president and the Vice president,
Speaker 1: the vice president flew down to Tennessee, you know, when
Speaker 1: all of this was happening to signal just how committed
Speaker 1: the White House I think and the Biden administration is
Speaker 1: to keeping this front of mind. I also wanted to
Speaker 1: get your thoughts Jonathan too, because as well as as
Speaker 1: as this meeting that took place, Joe Biden, President Biden announced,
Speaker 1: you know, via his video, his bid for reelection in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. In the video, right, which I'm certain
Speaker 1: that you've seen by now, you know, we see massive protests,
Speaker 1: we see you know, protest signs with a slash through guns.
Speaker 1: We are talking about abortion, and you know, somebody had said,
Speaker 1: one of the analysts on cable news had you know,
Speaker 1: lifted up that this is the first time which is
Speaker 1: really hard to believe, but I don't doubt it. It
Speaker 1: is the first time that a re election campaign where
Speaker 1: Democrats are actually going out and talking these really critical
Speaker 1: issues that are also controversial. So I wanted to get
Speaker 1: your thoughts on what you make of what you made
Speaker 1: of the video, but of the clear inclusion of both
Speaker 1: abortion being a key issue and guns.
Speaker 3: Well, let me say two things first, because I think
Speaker 3: these two isstions we're talking about are connected. And so
Speaker 3: the first thing I want to say before jumping over
Speaker 3: to Biden is the reason that Tennessee three is important
Speaker 3: in relation to the twenty four election, is that the
Speaker 3: playbook that the Republicans were going to use or are
Speaker 3: using to basically get people out of elected office. It
Speaker 3: wasn't just about the Tennessee State House. They were have
Speaker 3: been doing or are going to try to do this
Speaker 3: same thing with a bunch of different important positions across
Speaker 3: red state America. The person who actually started the ball
Speaker 3: rolling was DeSantis, who you know, state defense and prosecutors
Speaker 3: are democratically elected in Florida, and with minimal fanfare, he
Speaker 3: just pushed out a prosecutor, an elected prosecutor in Florida,
Speaker 3: basically saying I'm going to replace you. And I think
Speaker 3: there were plans or our plans to do the same thing,
Speaker 3: not just for these high profile cases. I think they
Speaker 3: honestly screwed up by not realizing how high profile this
Speaker 3: was going to be, but for election positions and attorneys
Speaker 3: general and things like that I know across Tennessee, Kansas, Missouri,
Speaker 3: other places. And so I think part of the reason
Speaker 3: that standing up for the Tennessee three in relation to
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four election is important is because it
Speaker 3: has direct out direct It's not just about democracy as
Speaker 3: a policy it's about democracy in relation to how votes
Speaker 3: are going to be counted in twenty twenty four. So
Speaker 3: I just wanted to make that point first. I'm curious,
Speaker 3: you know, you and I will be talking about this lot.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean Biden's strategy. I mean, let's be honest,
Speaker 3: Biden is not the most charismatic person who's ever who's
Speaker 3: ever run for presidents. So so, but I do think
Speaker 3: that Biden as a comparison. I mean, basically, we're betting
Speaker 3: a lot on the Republicans, the Republicans being very extreme.
Speaker 3: I mean, if I was a Republican strategist right now,
Speaker 3: I would say, run back towards the middle, and so
Speaker 3: you know, say, oh, we're.
Speaker 1: Oh, they're too Jonathan, They're too far off a cliff no,
Speaker 1: to even to even take that, to even take what
Speaker 1: would logically be a good campaign strategy to even do that,
Speaker 1: Like the there is no way for them to run
Speaker 1: back to the middle, because they are literally over. They
Speaker 1: have jumped the shark at this.
Speaker 2: I know that's true.
Speaker 3: I just feel like we're betting the house on them
Speaker 3: being crazy, and I'm sure they are going to be crazy,
Speaker 3: you know, and push each other other to the right,
Speaker 3: But I do think we're opening a place where if
Speaker 3: they I mean, again, I agree with you, they're not
Speaker 3: going to do it. But you know, elections are one
Speaker 3: and loss based on independent voters, middle middle of the
Speaker 3: road voters, and so we're betting a lot on them
Speaker 3: running the same playbook that they ran that they've been running,
Speaker 3: which I'm sure is right. But if for any reason
Speaker 3: they don't do that, then worse then.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I just even like, here's the thing
Speaker 1: is that I'm going to push back on you a
Speaker 1: bit in terms of the independent voters and middle of
Speaker 1: the road voters because by virtue of the Republican Party
Speaker 1: running so far to the right and and airing out
Speaker 1: their extremism and their white Christian fascist views on pretty
Speaker 1: much everything from books to LGBTQ people, to voting, to
Speaker 1: history to curriculum to abortion, Like, there is no there's
Speaker 1: no way to put the hood back on, there's no
Speaker 1: way to put the genie back in the bottle here,
Speaker 1: because the you can point to the four hundred pieces
Speaker 1: of legislation that have been put out to ban you know,
Speaker 1: queer existence in this country in Red States. You can
Speaker 1: point to the book banning that is happening in every
Speaker 1: red state. You can point to all of these things.
Speaker 1: So even if Donald Trumport to say, oh, I think
Speaker 1: abortion is a losing issue, well it's too late, right,
Speaker 1: because the red state legislatures, once Dobs was overturned last summer,
Speaker 1: went all the way to either heartbeat quote unquote so
Speaker 1: called heartbeat bills or no abortion at all whatsoever, even
Speaker 1: at six weeks or in the case of rapeen incests.
Speaker 1: So for the messaging on the point on the side
Speaker 1: of Democrats, like all they have to do is run
Speaker 1: the clips, you know where you have Republican legislatures talking
Speaker 1: about rolling back child labor laws, rolling back and rolling
Speaker 1: back marriage laws and saying that they know people that
Speaker 1: have been married since twelve then that's it's okay because
Speaker 1: it's not incest. So I just want to say that
Speaker 1: I think that by virtue of the Republican Party going
Speaker 1: so far extreme that whoever we believe to still be
Speaker 1: in the middle is no longer in the middle because
Speaker 1: every issue, every issue that you would have been middle
Speaker 1: of the road on because they didn't step in that puddle,
Speaker 1: yet they've been jumping in.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, let me be clear, like I'm not saying that's
Speaker 3: what I think they're going to do. And I'll even
Speaker 3: one up you on what you said, which is, there's
Speaker 3: no way to take the hood off. The hood is on,
Speaker 3: like there's no doubt about that. So I have no
Speaker 3: doubt that the hood is on, like there's the record
Speaker 3: is there. What I said was, if I was a
Speaker 3: Republican strategist, that's what I would be saying, because I
Speaker 3: think I guess the issue I was saying is the
Speaker 3: Democrats are playing their cards early by picking Biden. First
Speaker 3: of all, of course he's the incumbent, there's history there
Speaker 3: By picking Biden, you're not picking enough a bunch of
Speaker 3: other people. You're not going to have competitive debates. So
Speaker 3: you're basically picking Biden because he's beaten Trump and he's
Speaker 3: the anti Trump. And you're picking Biden because of course
Speaker 3: he's got a track record which people people care about.
Speaker 3: But you know, people vote in presidential elections for a
Speaker 3: bunch of different reasons. And then you're then you're highlighting
Speaker 3: all the extreme stuff that the the Republicans have done.
Speaker 3: And so I don't I don't doubt that that's probably
Speaker 3: what's going to happen. I mean, I think there are
Speaker 3: a lot of very smart people who see in the
Speaker 3: inevitability of Trump getting the nomination, of Trump not being
Speaker 3: able to control himself. But I but, but, but but
Speaker 3: but I think it really increases the Like I mean,
Speaker 3: let's think about it, and you and I've talked about
Speaker 3: this a lot, like why did why did Biden win
Speaker 3: in twenty He won because people were afraid of Trump?
Speaker 3: Because Trump completely, you know, fracked up COVID. He he
Speaker 3: had a whole debate where he had COVID on stage
Speaker 3: and we were checking the audience and was sweating. He
Speaker 3: suppressed the mail in vote, right, he was going against
Speaker 3: the Post office, so Republicans didn't vote mail in, which
Speaker 3: was a huge deal for Democrats. And so I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: and of course we learn from that also, But I
Speaker 3: just if the Republicans make exactly the same mistakes, again,
Speaker 3: it's totally a cakewalk. I feel like there's going to
Speaker 3: be something like they'd be crazy to not say everybody
Speaker 3: do mail in ballots, or let's make it easier to
Speaker 3: do something like that. So I just don't think they're
Speaker 3: going to make the same mistakes. And so I just
Speaker 3: think it's going to be a harder campaign for Biden,
Speaker 3: which is maybe why making the stakes very clear right
Speaker 3: now about you might not love Biden, but here's the alternative.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's the Maybe that's the winning argument. It's about democracy,
Speaker 3: it's about abortion, it's about guns.
Speaker 1: But I just think, I just, I mean, I just
Speaker 1: don't think that this race is going to be I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that twenty twenty was damn near and possible,
Speaker 1: and I don't see any difference between this presidential race
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm being you know, I think that they're
Speaker 1: they're both equally as difficult. Right twenty twenty, we were
Speaker 1: at the in the height of a pandemic, and he
Speaker 1: was able to pull out the election. And this was
Speaker 1: a man who until you know, mister Clyburn in South
Speaker 1: Carolina came out full force and said we're going with Biden,
Speaker 1: like he was just floating in the water right of
Speaker 1: the primary. And so when I look at now, with
Speaker 1: twelve million jobs, you know that he's added to the
Speaker 1: economy more than any president ever. When I look at
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court nomination, when I look at the infrastructure bill,
Speaker 1: when I actually look at these things, and I say
Speaker 1: this as somebody who was not a pro Biden person, right,
Speaker 1: But I'm just like, he has surprised me at every
Speaker 1: single turn over the course of his first term, and
Speaker 1: I can't and as somebody who was on the fence,
Speaker 1: not even on the fence for him, I wasn't even
Speaker 1: in the room for him.
Speaker 3: We have a record of that because I talked you
Speaker 3: into him on this show, and yeah, so I of
Speaker 3: course I know that. And I think he's done a
Speaker 3: very admirable job as president, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you.
Speaker 3: But but I think there are gonna be a lot
Speaker 3: of twists and turns that are they're just I mean,
Speaker 3: like what if what if he goes to prison trap
Speaker 3: or something, you know, like there's so many things that
Speaker 3: could happen. My only point is we're we're laying down
Speaker 3: the green the groundwork very early of the choice, right.
Speaker 3: It's like you, you know, for people who might be
Speaker 3: on the fence about Biden, even still here's the choice.
Speaker 3: And I think it'll be interesting to see how how
Speaker 3: the Republicans respond to that, you know, and now without
Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson, without all this stuff, it'll just be I
Speaker 3: think this is going to be a lot. This is
Speaker 3: going to be a lot of work, which is no
Speaker 3: surprise to anybody, but but I think it'll be a
Speaker 3: lot of work. But I of course I think it's great,
Speaker 3: and I think it's important that the Democrats lay down
Speaker 3: the stakes of this election early, lay down the terms
Speaker 3: of the debate early, and I would just bet it's
Speaker 3: going to be a lot of work and they're going
Speaker 3: to be twist and turns that are unexpected.
Speaker 1: What do you think about guns, Jonathan, being one of
Speaker 1: the things that is the issue that Biden is going
Speaker 1: to lean into. Do you think that for the movement?
Speaker 1: And I'm talking expressly about the movement, not necessarily electability.
Speaker 1: Is this what the movement has needed, which is for
Speaker 1: Democrats not to just be reactive, but to be proactive
Speaker 1: in pushing because we finally have reached maybe our limit
Speaker 1: in terms of how many children's deaths were willing to take.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's important for two reasons. I'm going
Speaker 3: to give you both to the coin here. The caveat
Speaker 3: is that historically, even though you know, Democrats love to
Speaker 3: stats like eighty five percent of people support background checks,
Speaker 3: but that doesn't mean that eighty five percent of people
Speaker 3: will vote for Democrats because they support background checks. So
Speaker 3: guns have not historically been an issue that people vote on.
Speaker 3: It's been across half the country actually a political loser.
Speaker 3: So even though eighty five percent of people will tell
Speaker 3: polsters that they support common sense gun reform, people don't
Speaker 3: go to the ballot and vote based on gun issues.
Speaker 3: That has not historically not been Republicans are much more
Speaker 3: likely to vote based on guns, and so it's been
Speaker 3: an issue that people don't vote on. But I think
Speaker 3: that things are different now. Things are really different now
Speaker 3: because young voters really care about gun reform. And so
Speaker 3: people twenty five and under, the people in Nashville who
Speaker 3: just add a four mile human chain, the people who
Speaker 3: went out to support that, the Nashville three, you know
Speaker 3: who who who were protesting after the mass shooting. So
Speaker 3: I do think that appealing to gun reform is a
Speaker 3: real winner now because young because young voters are so engaged,
Speaker 3: and so I'm kind of betting that we're going to
Speaker 3: see a shift in guns as a as a as
Speaker 3: a ballot as a ballot issue. I think that's what
Speaker 3: they're betting on because it really does mobilize young voters
Speaker 3: who really and truly care about this issue, and so
Speaker 3: I think it's smart right now, even though I wouldn't
Speaker 3: have said that even six months ago, right.
Speaker 1: And that and that's I think that that's kind of
Speaker 1: that was the thing that stood out to me, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously alongside you know, there were three things in in
Speaker 1: the campaign video, which was abortion, guns, and democracy and
Speaker 1: actually referring to MAGA extremism. And I think that what
Speaker 1: this administration has seen and what you know is it
Speaker 1: is really growth. Because when Joe Biden came into office
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, I think that he thought that there
Speaker 1: were still reasonable Republicans for him to sit down, share
Speaker 1: a drink with and like hammer out deals, you know,
Speaker 1: to better America. I think over the course of his
Speaker 1: first term, he is realized that those days are gone, right,
Speaker 1: that the people that he thought that he was going
Speaker 1: to be able to rely on to be the adults
Speaker 1: in the room, drank the kool aid of MAGA and Trump.
Speaker 1: And so I think that by virtue of him looking
Speaker 1: at the base and seeing how young people, how black people,
Speaker 1: how people of color ushered him into the presidency in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty and the issues that are important to them
Speaker 1: that he's going to double down on that, and I
Speaker 1: think that, particularly for me as a staunch progressive, I
Speaker 1: want to see that and I want to see more
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I mean, of course, like four years ago,
Speaker 3: he never probably thought I'm going to run a campaign
Speaker 3: like this.
Speaker 2: And again I think I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know there are I know because I
Speaker 3: just gave a talk to a bunch of conservatives in
Speaker 3: the middle of Michigan. I know there are like every
Speaker 3: day people who are in the middle who identify as
Speaker 3: a Republican who don't who are also I mean, there
Speaker 3: are plenty of Republicans who think that Miffy Pristown should
Speaker 3: be legal. There are plenty of Republicans who are gun
Speaker 3: owners who think that we should have background checks. But
Speaker 3: I do think that the political Republicans, the people who
Speaker 3: are elected, there's just no room because the people who
Speaker 3: are elected are are so extreme. And so I think
Speaker 3: he's reading the room politically in a way that might
Speaker 3: it might appeal to some people, but I also think
Speaker 3: that rallying his own base is exactly the way to go.
Speaker 3: And again, I think setting the terms of the debate
Speaker 3: right now is super important in a way that also
Speaker 3: I think You're exactly right, is mobile. In other words,
Speaker 3: I don't think he can win an election right now
Speaker 3: by saying look what I did with the Inflation Reduction
Speaker 3: Act or the money people got during the pandemic, because
Speaker 3: it's too easy for the other side to say, well,
Speaker 3: look that caused inflation, or I've done I've done plenty
Speaker 3: of interviews with people who feel like the government gave
Speaker 3: out way too much money to black people. Like that's
Speaker 3: kind of every every research, every focus group I do,
Speaker 3: some white conservative will say something like that. But I
Speaker 3: do think, you know, the Democrats have never run a
Speaker 3: campaign which is like a Republican campaign, which is just
Speaker 3: to scare the shit out of people about what happens
Speaker 3: if the other side is elected. It's really a page
Speaker 3: out of the Republican playbook. You know, you might not
Speaker 3: love me, but holy crap, look at the other guys.
Speaker 3: And I think that's what they're doing. And again, I
Speaker 3: think how the Republicans respond. I mean, they've been trying
Speaker 3: to respond in certain ways. They're probably just stuck with
Speaker 3: Trump inevitably. But you know, I'll give you one more caveat.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry for being like mister caveat today, but I
Speaker 3: never thought I would see the governor of Tennessee, Governor
Speaker 3: Lee ever ever, ever, say that he would support anything
Speaker 3: to do with gun reform ever in his life. But
Speaker 3: when nine billion young people showed up and he thought
Speaker 3: that he could get elected booted out of office, all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, he's supporting He started supporting red flag laws,
Speaker 3: which I never thought I would I never thought I
Speaker 3: would see in my lifetime. So I guess the one
Speaker 3: issue is if they feel like they're going to get
Speaker 3: elected booted out of office based on their positions.
Speaker 2: I don't think that. I think they love.
Speaker 3: Power more than anything, and so if they feel like
Speaker 3: these issues are losers for them, and it's it's pretty clear,
Speaker 3: it'll be interesting to see how they respond. That's the
Speaker 3: one caveat I'm going to hang my hat on for today,
Speaker 3: even though I'll give up on the all the other ones.
Speaker 1: Well, Jonathan, we have a lot of time ahead of
Speaker 1: us to be able to discuss this issue, as well
Speaker 1: as all of the twist and turns that we both
Speaker 1: know are coming. But we will leave it here today, Jonathan.
Speaker 1: As always, we appreciate you and your analysis.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you. Take everybody.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on Woke
Speaker 1: app as always, Power to the people and to all
Speaker 1: the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.