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Speaker 1: season seventeen, episode number thirty. Welcome to the latest edition
Speaker 1: of The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage studios
Speaker 1: at the Star. Lots of things we gotta get into today.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have Bucky Brooks joining us here soon to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the Carolina office versus the
Speaker 1: Dallas defense. But before we get to that, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of topics that we need to talk about
Speaker 1: specific to guys that have been out, whether whether it
Speaker 1: be injury or COVID and gig some updates on where
Speaker 1: they are. Let's start first with the fact that there
Speaker 1: were no injuries in this game. That's always a bright
Speaker 1: spot for any team in the NFL come out of
Speaker 1: a game with no new injuries. But there were three
Speaker 1: guys that we mentioned yesterday on our show. I think
Speaker 1: we talked about him yesterday. But guys that have been
Speaker 1: on IR, and I know we had talked about it
Speaker 1: about the possibility that this would be the week when
Speaker 1: they could be taken off of IR. This was the
Speaker 1: earliest that they could be. Tell me what's the status.
Speaker 1: I guess at this point with Neville Gallimore, Kelvin, Joseph,
Speaker 1: and Sean mccun all ways away. That was Mike McCarthy's
Speaker 1: wording yesterday. All of those guys are still probably multiple
Speaker 1: weeks with an s away from being ready, so they're eligible,
Speaker 1: but maybe anywhere between. I would say anywhere between two
Speaker 1: and four, depending on who you're talking about. The bye
Speaker 1: weeks sitting there. So all three they they got three
Speaker 1: games to go. I mean, I don't know how they're
Speaker 1: gonna if they're gonna handle it this way that you know,
Speaker 1: they won't say this, they won't admit it, they'll say
Speaker 1: it's a case by case. But I'm sure that they've
Speaker 1: got three games to go, and then they got to
Speaker 1: buy a week. It makes more sense to just bring
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys back. So you don't want
Speaker 1: to start there. I probably won't start their window or
Speaker 1: their twenty one day window, and where they can start
Speaker 1: practicing again, I would say until like maybe next week
Speaker 1: or the week after. That's interesting because I actually thought,
Speaker 1: at the worst case scenario they at least start the
Speaker 1: twenty one this week, but it sounds like they're not
Speaker 1: even ready to really practice at this point. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's and it's it's always a guest a man.
Speaker 1: But if you remember when especially Neville, and I think
Speaker 1: he's besides, well, Calvin's probably the one people care the
Speaker 1: most about which Calvin suffered his injury the latest in camp.
Speaker 1: I mean he did that during the final preseason game
Speaker 1: groin injury. Donovan Wilson probably gonna miss another game with
Speaker 1: his groin injury, So you think about I mean that
Speaker 1: is it's a substantial injury, especially for a guy that
Speaker 1: runs as much as a dB, So I think that tracks.
Speaker 1: And then Neville, they said at the time, you're probably
Speaker 1: talking about eight weeks. Now that was mid August what fourteenth,
Speaker 1: probably that they played that game in Arizona, so it's
Speaker 1: been about five or six So again you're talking two
Speaker 1: or three more weeks before before that's probably realistic. Catching
Speaker 1: up on a couple of guys that missed last week's game.
Speaker 1: Dorance Armstrong, Carlos Watkins. You already mentioned Donovan Wilson. Yes, Um,
Speaker 1: good question. I would think Carlos Watkins maybe more of
Speaker 1: a more of a shot. Um. But just because we're
Speaker 1: talking like, I think it's a sprain knee. Um. He's
Speaker 1: done some work out here, even on the side field
Speaker 1: when they were practicing, and it looks like he's you know,
Speaker 1: working okay with with the trainers. The injury is a
Speaker 1: high ankle spraining on Doran. I was gonna like, nothing
Speaker 1: about Dorrance's injury makes me think that it's a one
Speaker 1: week thing, right, But then you're saying like it's a multiple. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got I'll say this. I remember when I when
Speaker 1: I talked to Stephen Jones last week. I guess it
Speaker 1: was before this game. He didn't he didn't want to
Speaker 1: rule him out just yet. He didn't think they would
Speaker 1: be there. So that being said, you know, it may
Speaker 1: be something that that that you know, Dorans could kind
Speaker 1: of get back into it. I mean, it's so weird
Speaker 1: because it's like if you're just inactive, like just a
Speaker 1: straight inactive, it seems like that doesn't happen anymore, because
Speaker 1: it's like if if it's if it's more, if it's
Speaker 1: even a hint at an IR for more like three weeks,
Speaker 1: let's put your it gets you the roster spots. I
Speaker 1: was about to say that, like, if doran's his injury
Speaker 1: because an ankle sprain, you think, I mean, Sean McEwan
Speaker 1: sprained his ankle and he's not coming back anytime soon.
Speaker 1: And again that's so an ankle sprain can be as
Speaker 1: much as six weeks. So if it was severe, you'd
Speaker 1: think they'd just put him on IR because of the rules. Um,
Speaker 1: I still think i'd bet against him being ready for
Speaker 1: this game, but maybe he can be back for the
Speaker 1: Giants game. Yeah, So what I gotta think about it is, basically,
Speaker 1: you got a three week period. If it's an injury
Speaker 1: one three weeks, you're better off putting them one R.
Speaker 1: So I just assume it's a much lesser injury if
Speaker 1: they're not put on IR these that's a safe assumption,
Speaker 1: I think. Okay, let's talk about the COVID. He got
Speaker 1: keanum Neil. They're both still out, they're still on still
Speaker 1: on the COVID. Protocol. No changes, nobody's been added to it.
Speaker 1: We'll just have to wait and see. Um Neil went
Speaker 1: on the COVID protocol. It was like Wednesday, Yeah, it was,
Speaker 1: but he didn't test positive until later, right, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he hadn't tested positive I think until like maybe the
Speaker 1: Friday or something. Yeah, he did. Yeah, you're right. There
Speaker 1: was a period where he was just a close contact,
Speaker 1: so that might be what's prolonging that. So we'll just
Speaker 1: have to keep an eye on it and other things. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well that just because he's got different rules than other people, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is due. I say he did, so he does, um,
Speaker 1: all right, so keep an eye on it. It's it's yep, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's only Wednesday. It's only Wednesday, so it feels it
Speaker 1: feels later than I mean, I don't know what it
Speaker 1: feels like anymore. I just want to get I can't
Speaker 1: wait Sunday to Sunday. They don't play on a non
Speaker 1: Sunday again until Thanksgiving, and I'm jacked about it. But
Speaker 1: we got three weeks to go here that it should
Speaker 1: be somewhat normal. Yeah, and then you got a bye week.
Speaker 1: Would your bye week? Okay? Fine? Still still normal? Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's mad about that. No one's about saying, like the schedule,
Speaker 1: regular schedule, where we know what time we're gonna be
Speaker 1: able to do things. I think the schedule is gonna
Speaker 1: be relatively the same, hopefully until Thanksgiving. That's David Moore
Speaker 1: started the press conference today by saying, it's like, if
Speaker 1: you count preseason, y'all have played eight games and this
Speaker 1: will only be the second one that's been played on
Speaker 1: a Sunday, just like, oh my god, or maybe the third.
Speaker 1: The Jaguars game was a Sunday. But I'm just like, jas,
Speaker 1: let's get into some routine here. I know it's kind
Speaker 1: of hard. All right, here's what's gonna do. We're gonna
Speaker 1: take an early break. We got Bucky Brooks coming up
Speaker 1: to join us. He'll get give us some insight on
Speaker 1: the Carolina offense versus the Dallas defense, particularly what they're
Speaker 1: gonna do without their star player, Christian McAffrey. We'll talk
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks from NFL Network. Bucky, Welcome to the show man. Hey, thanks, Mammiel.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about this Carolina offense. I
Speaker 1: want to start with Sam Darneld. He's having as far
Speaker 1: as statistically, he's having probably the best season of his
Speaker 1: career right now. He is He's at two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty two yards per game. That was what he up started,
Speaker 1: That's what he did in two nineteen. Now it's two
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety six yards per game. An interception percentage
Speaker 1: that was at two point nine percent back in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: now at twenty one. I'm sorry, point nine percent in
Speaker 1: twenty one. He is just playing much better than what
Speaker 1: he was doing before with the Jets. What's the biggest
Speaker 1: reason for his improvement this year relative to what he's
Speaker 1: done pretty much drout his career. One is advocates. They
Speaker 1: want to see him do well, and so the Panther
Speaker 1: has made a concerted effort to make sure that they've
Speaker 1: done everything to give him an opportunity seed. The opensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: Joe Brady has taken things that work really well with
Speaker 1: Sam and put those things into play, whether it's movement passes,
Speaker 1: bootleg passes, some RPO game, some design quarterback runs, or
Speaker 1: read options. They have taken things that maybe even had
Speaker 1: a collegiate slant to it and given it to Sam
Speaker 1: so he can flourish. He also is around a better team.
Speaker 1: This is a team that has better weapons on the
Speaker 1: outside than he had in New York. And so when
Speaker 1: you have Robbie Anderson and DJ Moore that can catch passes,
Speaker 1: you have Christian McCaffrey who's in the backfield command and attention.
Speaker 1: He has not had to necessarily be the primary playmaker.
Speaker 1: He's just been able to play kind of point guard,
Speaker 1: just passes to the open guy and allow those guys
Speaker 1: do work. And he still is victimized by the bonehead decision,
Speaker 1: but overall he's playing really good football because everything around
Speaker 1: him is much better than it was at his previous location. Well,
Speaker 1: he's gonna play point guard. Who's who's he going to
Speaker 1: be passing the ball too? I mean, other than I
Speaker 1: know Dj Moore. But with Christian McCaffrey out, who's the
Speaker 1: guys he's gonna be leaning on this week? I mean
Speaker 1: they look they're talented group and they're trying to figure
Speaker 1: out a way to kind of make it work without
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey. But Dj Moore has been fine. Robbie Anderson
Speaker 1: has been a big time playmaker. The occasionally gets some
Speaker 1: contributions from Ian Thomas and Tommy Trumble, but it's really
Speaker 1: a collective and collaborative effort. A lot of what they've
Speaker 1: been able to do is really take advantage of the
Speaker 1: defense and the defense is over aggressive. You see him
Speaker 1: come out the back door with the movement passes. Remember
Speaker 1: he has two three hundred yard games. And so even
Speaker 1: though I would say that maybe the Panthers haven't really
Speaker 1: tested him or they haven't played anybody, I mean they
Speaker 1: were pretty good team and they look good on offense,
Speaker 1: and he's showed just playing well as a result. Okay, Bucky,
Speaker 1: obviously I have to take an opportunity to plug the
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen LSU football team, Like why would I not
Speaker 1: do that? But I think it. I think it pertains
Speaker 1: to this though, because Joe Brady was the offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: for that team, and a super underrated part of that
Speaker 1: offense was Clyde Edwards Hilaire being able to do a
Speaker 1: little bit of everything. I mean he was. He was
Speaker 1: great and pass pro, he could run the ball, and
Speaker 1: he just dropped out of the backfield all the time
Speaker 1: and presented an easy target if Joe Burrow didn't have anybody.
Speaker 1: That obviously describes Christian McCaffrey very very well. He's got
Speaker 1: sixteen catches through two games in a quarter. I guess
Speaker 1: my question is is a versatile running back is important
Speaker 1: to Joe Brady and the pros as it was in college.
Speaker 1: And can Cuba Hubbard do that as well or do
Speaker 1: they kind of have to reinvent this thing. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they have to reinvent it, but I mean
Speaker 1: she will Holbbly get first crack at it, and so
Speaker 1: they'll give him every opportunity to test the rocky. He'll
Speaker 1: catch it, he'll run it. He's a big play player.
Speaker 1: He played in the Big two have at Olfaoma State,
Speaker 1: and so he has some ability. Matt Rul knows him.
Speaker 1: Will haven't played against him, and he said, like those
Speaker 1: memories kinda one of the reason why they made it
Speaker 1: a point to get him. Ross Freeman is backing him up.
Speaker 1: Ross Freeman is a guy that played a dinner for
Speaker 1: a few years but it never really popped for him.
Speaker 1: But he's a big time running back the Oregon. He
Speaker 1: can catch the ball out of the backfield as well.
Speaker 1: So I don't think they have to necessarily change their offense.
Speaker 1: They just had to change the distribution. Where does the
Speaker 1: ball go? So those twenty to twenty five touches that
Speaker 1: used to go to Christian McCaffrey how do we divvy
Speaker 1: up that pivot so that we can keep the team balanced,
Speaker 1: but everybody's happy not getting too much too soon. DJ
Speaker 1: Moore leads this team in receptions at twenty two and
Speaker 1: had also leads him receiving yards two hundred and eighty five.
Speaker 1: I assume he is their biggest weapon outside of McCaffrey,
Speaker 1: and obviously will need to be that with McCaffrey out.
Speaker 1: If you're the Cowboys defensive coordinator, how do you go
Speaker 1: about trying to defend Dj Moore knowing that he is
Speaker 1: their biggest weapon? I mean, he is their biggest weapon,
Speaker 1: and a lot of it depends on what do you
Speaker 1: feel like about Robbie Anderson? Because Robbie Anderson is a
Speaker 1: guy that can really take the time off and make
Speaker 1: big things happen. So what do you want to concede?
Speaker 1: Are you willing to concede some chain moving throws? And
Speaker 1: do you want to completely take the big play element
Speaker 1: out of the mix? I believe with Dj Moore, maybe
Speaker 1: you mix in some double coverage in practice, But love man,
Speaker 1: he's a good player, but he's not quite keenan Allen
Speaker 1: level and some of the other guys that they faced,
Speaker 1: so I think you kind of play it straight initially,
Speaker 1: and then if it's one of those situations where he's
Speaker 1: beginning to have his way, then you kind of interject
Speaker 1: and you go back and play some of your normal stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, the last two weeks the Cowboys have benefited.
Speaker 1: Of course they've had the injuries and stuff happening on
Speaker 1: their own defensive end, but the last two weeks they've
Speaker 1: benefited from a starting alignment on the opposing team being
Speaker 1: out the Chargers and the Eagles. Where does the tackle
Speaker 1: situation that look like for the Panthers and do you
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys can they'll be an advantage for them? Again, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean Cameron Irvan is someone that you want to attack. Like,
Speaker 1: he's definitely vulnerable ahead left tackle, so see his struggles
Speaker 1: and knowing about that, like that's where the game plan
Speaker 1: has to start. Um, can you attack Sam Dna off
Speaker 1: his backside? Can you make him uncomfortable? Uh mapparatus as
Speaker 1: centers another one that you can go at a little bit. Um.
Speaker 1: This isn't like an A level offensive line, and so
Speaker 1: there they are opportunities that are that are going to
Speaker 1: present himself clear and so I think you can attack
Speaker 1: him a few different a few different ways, but I'm
Speaker 1: starting at the left alcohol I'm working from there, obviously.
Speaker 1: I gotta if it makes sense, I gotta ask you
Speaker 1: about our draft guys, and I can't help. But notice
Speaker 1: you mentioned him briefly, but Carolina started this week out
Speaker 1: by trading Dan Arnold for a cornerback. Is that just
Speaker 1: because they have that desperate of a need at corner
Speaker 1: without jac Horne? Or is Tommy Trimble? I mean, do
Speaker 1: you think that they have designs on how good he
Speaker 1: could be? Because I got I saw a little bit
Speaker 1: of the Houston game and he's a hell of an
Speaker 1: athletic player. Do you think maybe his role they have
Speaker 1: in mind that he's capable of having a larger role.
Speaker 1: I guess it's a couple of different things. I think
Speaker 1: one day, do like Tommy Trumbo, they want to give
Speaker 1: him an opportunity to get on the field and make
Speaker 1: things happen. But there's a fascination in the building with C. J. Henderson,
Speaker 1: and so they wanted to be able to pick him.
Speaker 1: Was the first round pick. They got him for nothing, like,
Speaker 1: it didn't really cost him anything. So they got another young,
Speaker 1: dynamic player, and if you look at the Panthers defense,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about them tomorrow, but this defense is young, fast,
Speaker 1: athletic and so they can grow together. And so one
Speaker 1: thing and talking to mad Rule, they want to be
Speaker 1: as fast as they can on deaths out of the ball.
Speaker 1: So then you add C. J. Henderson with JA C.
Speaker 1: Horn when he returns with Dante Jackson. I mean, now
Speaker 1: you have a four by one track team in the
Speaker 1: back end to go at the other fast guys they
Speaker 1: have in Brian Burns and Jack Thompson and Jeremy Chen.
Speaker 1: So it's part of yeah, we had a need, but no,
Speaker 1: we got a chance to upgrade our lineup, so let's
Speaker 1: go upgraded. Yeah, it's amazing to me. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if you if you can get more color to this,
Speaker 1: but I just I can't even understand how in any
Speaker 1: situation a young cornerback that was drafted that high gets
Speaker 1: traded for a basically tight end a third round pick.
Speaker 1: I mean that just seems very lopsided to me. What
Speaker 1: am I missing on that? Well? I wish you're missing.
Speaker 1: There are some things that was going on with C. J.
Speaker 1: Henderson down in Jacksonville where he had kind of honestly disappeared,
Speaker 1: But he disappeared for maybe a few days of a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks down there where he was trying to
Speaker 1: work out and sort through some things. And so the
Speaker 1: clock was always ticking on him down there in terms
Speaker 1: of where he would fit. And whenever you get a
Speaker 1: new regime and a new head coach and the head
Speaker 1: coach didn't draft you, you were subject to be on
Speaker 1: the first plane out of town if things aren't going well.
Speaker 1: And so when the team starts out or in three
Speaker 1: they have a draft pick, Campbell, the amount of lost
Speaker 1: Bucky there for a second, Yeah, it's actually took that
Speaker 1: bread and get better. So it was just a thing
Speaker 1: where Herbert comes in. He's not necessarily his guy. They
Speaker 1: have some outs that they drafted, so it's a chance
Speaker 1: for them to get better, so they take advantage of
Speaker 1: the opportunity. We're joined by Bucky Brooks of NFL Network.
Speaker 1: I did have one more question from you, particularly to
Speaker 1: the Dallas defense. Treyvon Trayvon Diggs has three interceptions in
Speaker 1: three games, obviously playing really well for Dallas. How good
Speaker 1: is he from a national standpoint if you look at
Speaker 1: him relative to other cornerbacks around and good around the league.
Speaker 1: How good do you think he is? And here's the
Speaker 1: more important question, where does he still have room to grow?
Speaker 1: Did we lose him? Oh? He speaks less. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's how good he's been playing. You know what? You know,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. He'll probably come back on in a second.
Speaker 1: But I got an email from from Bucky. We've got
Speaker 1: a five bucks as an article that he writes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he actually wrote about Trayvon Diggs. Okay, so give
Speaker 1: me what he said. He's an elite playmaker. He's I
Speaker 1: don't know if the Cowboys coaching staff expector Diggs to
Speaker 1: come in to be a premier cover corner in year two,
Speaker 1: but the young playmaker deserves consideration as one of the
Speaker 1: premier players at this position. Bam boom. I don't know
Speaker 1: how you argue with it after rank so this point
Speaker 1: in the season, I mean, he's back. But actually, hey, Bucky,
Speaker 1: well go ahead. I was just saying, since we lost
Speaker 1: you for a second, I read your portion of five
Speaker 1: Bucks where you talked about the Trayvon Diggs being an
Speaker 1: elite playmaker and he's got the swagger of an all problem.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, man, it doesn't take long to figure
Speaker 1: out that he has it dialed in. And I don't
Speaker 1: know what the secret sauce is. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's Joe Wind and Dan Quinn pumping him full of confidence.
Speaker 1: But he's a much different player than he was his
Speaker 1: rookie year, and he had there was some injuries and
Speaker 1: some other stuff. But the guy that showed up and
Speaker 1: played on Monday Night is the one that I don't
Speaker 1: even imagine that the Cowboys thought that they will be
Speaker 1: getting someone who is long athletic, someone who can play
Speaker 1: off or travel, can do whatever it is that you
Speaker 1: want to do, and he can make plays. The fact
Speaker 1: that he's a former wide receiver that certainly helps because
Speaker 1: he can catch the ball. But as this team is
Speaker 1: playing that seaball get ball defense, I mean, he is exploded.
Speaker 1: And I don't think people talked enough about the job
Speaker 1: that they did on Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen is an
Speaker 1: and one mixtape street ball legend. You cannot stay in
Speaker 1: front of him when he is at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: And so the fact that he was able to take
Speaker 1: on the traveling I mean, is he like that was
Speaker 1: a big thing for Trayvon Digs to be able to
Speaker 1: do it then to come back and to jump a
Speaker 1: route against DeVante Smiths, who he knows well. Jalen hurts
Speaker 1: to me, it seems like everything is coming together. The athleticism,
Speaker 1: the technique, the instincts, the ball skills, all that's coming together.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if there's a corner plane better
Speaker 1: than him at this point. And that's talking about Yarry
Speaker 1: Alexander and Jalen Ramsey and all those other guys. You
Speaker 1: can begin to put him in that conversation based on
Speaker 1: the way that he has played. What do you think,
Speaker 1: real quick, what do you think his greatest area is
Speaker 1: right now for growth at this point. I just think
Speaker 1: with more experience comes expertise. I think the main thing
Speaker 1: the difference with those guys that I talk about is
Speaker 1: a level of consistency. Jelen Ramsey shows up every week
Speaker 1: and you know what you're getting. What you would like
Speaker 1: to do if you're the Cowboys, is to know that
Speaker 1: each and every week Number seven is going to take
Speaker 1: care of business on the island, whether we're traveling, whether
Speaker 1: we're lining up playing right and left, that he just
Speaker 1: lines up and goes and plays. And so he has
Speaker 1: played so well that to me, I'm just like, man,
Speaker 1: what has unlicked? I know in the off season he
Speaker 1: worked with his brother. You can see those highlights and stuff.
Speaker 1: But this dude is real. I mean, he is as
Speaker 1: real as they come. And for the Cowboys to get
Speaker 1: him in the second round when people talking about him
Speaker 1: being a first runner, he's playing like a top ten
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Speaker 1: All right, Bucky Man, we appreciate you join us. We'll
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow and have you talked a little bit
Speaker 1: more about this Carolina defense that you mentioned a little earlier,
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Speaker 1: Welcome back, final segment of the break Life in s
Speaker 1: WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, we're gonna talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about the defense. I wanted to do a
Speaker 1: little deep dive here on a couple of questions about
Speaker 1: the defense. I'm gonna start first with the fact that
Speaker 1: this defense, if you look at it, at them and
Speaker 1: watch them play. I think I'll speak for myself my
Speaker 1: opinion of them, it is probably even higher than what
Speaker 1: the statistics say they are relative to the rest of
Speaker 1: the league. I think they're playing phenomenally, But when you
Speaker 1: look at the numbers there ranked twenty sixth in overall
Speaker 1: yards there ranked thirty first, and passing yards allowed. But
Speaker 1: the most important stat their number one in the league
Speaker 1: and takeaways with eight. My question for you guys, are
Speaker 1: is our takeaways the biggest difference between two twenty one
Speaker 1: and two and twenty for this defense? And if so,
Speaker 1: is that sustainable? First of all, no, it's not the
Speaker 1: biggest difference. I mean that you cannot undersell how bad
Speaker 1: they were last year just in terms of the type
Speaker 1: of plays they gave up. I mean, they got gashed
Speaker 1: on the ground, they lost receivers in the passing amy
Speaker 1: We just finished Week three. Think back to Week three
Speaker 1: last year when Tyler Lockett had one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: yards and three touchdowns at halftime of that Seattle game,
Speaker 1: and would have had an extra touchdown if Trayvon Diggs
Speaker 1: hadn't punched the ball out at the goal line. I mean,
Speaker 1: the type of stuff that they were giving up. No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't just that they weren't getting takeaways. They were
Speaker 1: just awful, and so that it's striking because I think
Speaker 1: I said this yesterday, they still seem to have a
Speaker 1: problem with chunk plays, right, Like I do, I don't
Speaker 1: care about yards per game. I think that's an outdated
Speaker 1: way of looking at how good or bad you are,
Speaker 1: because what happens in the context are you allowing touchdowns,
Speaker 1: are big plays going for six or are you stopping
Speaker 1: it and then rallying that type of stuff. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons why they're a lot better than
Speaker 1: last year. I do still think they have a problem
Speaker 1: with chunk plays, though, right they also seem to have
Speaker 1: just a better standing of what they're doing. And I
Speaker 1: know that that one touchdown there in the game where
Speaker 1: they got lost and all that. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: Dan coinn I think has done an amazing job of
Speaker 1: two things. You know, you hear it all the time. Well,
Speaker 1: they're going to simplify it for the players. Well, if
Speaker 1: they're simplifying it for the players, what do you think
Speaker 1: Joe Brady and offensive coordinators are also doing. If it's
Speaker 1: that simplified for these guys, He's got it. Dan Coin's
Speaker 1: done a great job of making it something that's very
Speaker 1: relatable to these guys. But still exotic in another way.
Speaker 1: I mean think Micah Parsons is flying all over the
Speaker 1: place and lining up in different spots, which means other
Speaker 1: players are lining up in different spots, and it's working
Speaker 1: out so far. He's got He's getting these teams to
Speaker 1: kind of be confused. But yet the players for the
Speaker 1: most part, don't seem to be confused and what they're doing.
Speaker 1: So maybe that extra preseason game, which an extra week
Speaker 1: of training camp and stuff like that. We all complained
Speaker 1: about it in our own ways, but I think it
Speaker 1: might have helped because they really needed to be on
Speaker 1: the field to learn those things. I'll change this question.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the most important thing that they're
Speaker 1: doing is taking them all away? Well, I just picked
Speaker 1: them up on my fantasy team. I'm just gonna tell
Speaker 1: you that, because because they get points, they get they
Speaker 1: get points. You and I did too, by the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now they're not starting, but I got them. I picked
Speaker 1: them up, and I'm kind of holding You have a defense.
Speaker 1: What is this, amateur? No, we do two defenses. We
Speaker 1: do two of every position. Oh you play two defense?
Speaker 1: No play one defense? But you got it. You can
Speaker 1: have two of every position at least two of every position.
Speaker 1: That's a wasted bench spot for me. Well, but you
Speaker 1: couldn't use it for something else. It has to be
Speaker 1: a defense, like you have to have two to have
Speaker 1: two kickers, you have to have four running backs receivers like.
Speaker 1: It also makes it to wear caught and at a
Speaker 1: defense every week based on what the matchup is, who
Speaker 1: they're playing. That's actually not a bad way to do
Speaker 1: it anyway. Um. And also when you look at who
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are playing the next few games, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I still I get it, Carolina is you know they're
Speaker 1: three and oh, but it wouldn't surprise me if they
Speaker 1: don't go out and play well and all that. And
Speaker 1: he got the Giants coming in, he got that rookie
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in New England and they haven't figured it out
Speaker 1: over there in New England yet either. So you know,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have favorable matchups here and they're taking the
Speaker 1: ball away and they're gonna get they're getting sacks. It
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter who it is to be, they're they're
Speaker 1: getting after them. So the answer your question is absolutely
Speaker 1: and that it's scary because turnovers turn to turnovers and
Speaker 1: takeaways scare me. Because there's there's no rhyme or reason
Speaker 1: to it. Really. I mean, some teams are good at it,
Speaker 1: but like nobody, nobody really has an answer for why
Speaker 1: you're not getting them when you don't, And nobody has
Speaker 1: a great answer for why you are other than probably confidence,
Speaker 1: just being confident in the scheme, knowing where you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be, and having a history of like, well, we've
Speaker 1: done this before, like we can make these types of
Speaker 1: plays no way. And I do think that's important, especially
Speaker 1: first three weeks of the season, a lot of new
Speaker 1: players on this defense, you're still feeling things out and
Speaker 1: you're getting these types of results. That's really I think
Speaker 1: that's really important because you already, like they should already
Speaker 1: feel confident, like, yeah, this thing works when we're on
Speaker 1: the screws, and so it can get better. Now. Do
Speaker 1: I think it's realistic to think they're gonna do eight
Speaker 1: in three games all through the season? I mean, what's
Speaker 1: the math on that? So eight divided by three is
Speaker 1: like two and a half. So they're gonna have thirty
Speaker 1: six takeaways this year. That would be That would blow
Speaker 1: the best mark for the time that I've been here
Speaker 1: out of the water. Lot more than that. Really when
Speaker 1: you think about seventeen game schedule. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: can't do math on the fly either, but yeah, it
Speaker 1: was so much easier when it was sixteen. Then you know,
Speaker 1: at the four game mark you can just yeah, now
Speaker 1: it's yeah. So I do I think it is sustainable
Speaker 1: at this level. Probably not like there will be some
Speaker 1: two in three game droughts. But for them to be
Speaker 1: doing it this consistently, this early, while they're still kind
Speaker 1: of getting used to everything, I think that's really encouraging,
Speaker 1: especially especially when you were to say any team in
Speaker 1: the league, Hey, our best pass rusher is going to
Speaker 1: be out, he's going to be out for a while,
Speaker 1: and in a one game our top two pass rushers
Speaker 1: are going to be out. We're gonna have to figure
Speaker 1: this out and move some people around and all that.
Speaker 1: You know, this is why you keep the linebackers. You
Speaker 1: know that that they did, I mean, they kept the
Speaker 1: depth there. And one of those other points that we
Speaker 1: didn't talk we didn't ask Bucky about it, but one
Speaker 1: of the points that he made is it's time to
Speaker 1: give Jalen Smith his props. He's playing really well based
Speaker 1: off of expectations, but he's still he's done a nice
Speaker 1: job and he's helped. This is going to sound mean,
Speaker 1: and I really don't mean it to Jalen Smith is
Speaker 1: a serviceable player right now. Still probably not living up
Speaker 1: to the size of that contract. Yeah, yeah, but that's okay,
Speaker 1: not probably. You're right, he's not living up to it.
Speaker 1: But for where we were a month ago, thinking like
Speaker 1: they have to cut this guy, how are we going to? Like?
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do with him? And I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to say anything bad about this guy because he's
Speaker 1: a good leader too, But I mean, you could you
Speaker 1: could argue that the law doesn't is not living up
Speaker 1: to the contract. You can argue that because it is
Speaker 1: such a huge number. He is he is still your
Speaker 1: best player, he's your best pass rush and he does that.
Speaker 1: He does things that aren't in the stat sheet. So
Speaker 1: that's why it's kind of tricky. You can't just go
Speaker 1: off sacks with him. But I mean, twenty one million
Speaker 1: of dollars a year is a big, big number, and
Speaker 1: you know, you would have liked to see a little
Speaker 1: bit more production too, But he does help. I think
Speaker 1: this defense, God, I want to see him with a
Speaker 1: Quinn defense and that's this could be a nasty with him.
Speaker 1: I don't even I can't judge DeMarcus for breaking his foot,
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, well he's not he's not giving
Speaker 1: you return on his investment. Yeah got he broke he
Speaker 1: broke bones in his foot. He can't play. So I've
Speaker 1: rather meant last year no, sure, sure, I mean since
Speaker 1: he signed that deal, even he's been so much better
Speaker 1: than a lot of people want to give him credit
Speaker 1: for still probably not living up to that number. That's fair,
Speaker 1: but right, is Zeke? You know, well, but this is
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just My point is a lot of
Speaker 1: these players, where they get a deal, it's hard. It's
Speaker 1: hard to do it. I don't know that you can
Speaker 1: name a lot of players around there, around even around
Speaker 1: this league that get mega deals that you think after
Speaker 1: they get the deal, oh yeah, they're living up to
Speaker 1: that because at the time, it's like they're being paid
Speaker 1: like the best player, the top player at their position,
Speaker 1: which means if they're not playing as the top player
Speaker 1: at their position, it's not in people's minds they're not
Speaker 1: playing up to the deal. I don't want to get
Speaker 1: into the weeds on this because it's a separate conversation.
Speaker 1: I can think of a lot of guys, I mean,
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, Aaron Donald. Like nobody's questioning why Aaron Donald's
Speaker 1: making that money. About the guy out there in Chicago.
Speaker 1: You think they're loving him right now, Like I don't
Speaker 1: know that he's doing what they would expect of a
Speaker 1: guy that's making the account of money he's made. I
Speaker 1: haven't watched Khalil Mack this year, but I just think
Speaker 1: the Bears problems go so far beyond watching smoothly. But
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter, as we know, that doesn't matter when
Speaker 1: you're making the big money. Don't matter how the team's playing,
Speaker 1: it's are you doing something that's making me think you're
Speaker 1: the best in the league. I wouldn't make an investment
Speaker 1: and a player like that unless I had my quarterback
Speaker 1: situation settled. I think that's the lesson that I learned
Speaker 1: there is because then you're just wasting money on guys that,
Speaker 1: like an elite defense in twenty twenty one is not
Speaker 1: enough to get you where you want to go. It's
Speaker 1: just not not. If not, if you're awful on offense,
Speaker 1: you can do it with it. Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 1: Like we've said one hundred times. You gotta start doing
Speaker 1: you gotta do something great. And this this team, this
Speaker 1: Cowboys team has got a great offense now that that
Speaker 1: has shown, and they had it, we saw the makings
Speaker 1: of it last year. But I think what's happening where
Speaker 1: that anything is that they will they will do anything.
Speaker 1: They will play any kind of style. Those styles make fights.
Speaker 1: They talk about with boxing, they will slug it out.
Speaker 1: They'll dance around the ring all day if you want.
Speaker 1: They'll do anything you want. I'll run it up the
Speaker 1: middle all these times, I'll run into the outside. We'll
Speaker 1: throw it fifty times. Anyway you want to play it,
Speaker 1: we'll play it that way, and we'll play it better.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I think that's the reason why the defense
Speaker 1: is what is. I think this defense, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: all they had to do is be an opportunistic defense.
Speaker 1: They don't have to be great, and I think that's
Speaker 1: what you're seeing. They're getting takeaways, and more importantly, they're
Speaker 1: getting takeaways at opportune moments. They are stopping them in
Speaker 1: the red zone, which which which matters. I was going
Speaker 1: to say that before we kind of got derailed, is
Speaker 1: if they keep doing this, if they are reliably getting
Speaker 1: one to three takeaways a game. I think in the
Speaker 1: off season we were like, all they gotta do is
Speaker 1: be mediocre middle of the pack. If they're doing this,
Speaker 1: they canna be twenty fifth in total defense, right And
Speaker 1: and that was the whole point I was making with that,
Speaker 1: is that the numbers will tell you that they haven't
Speaker 1: played great defense, but they're doing what they need to
Speaker 1: do for this kind of team, for this kind of offense,
Speaker 1: they's got to be opportunistic and give them as many
Speaker 1: shots at it as possible because this offense is going
Speaker 1: to score more times than not. To go back to
Speaker 1: the offense real quick, Jason Garrett, you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: taking shots at him, but he would always say, hey,
Speaker 1: we do what we do. We do what we do,
Speaker 1: we do and they adjust and that would work if
Speaker 1: it's going really well. I think what we're seeing now
Speaker 1: is we're not doing what we do. We'll do whatever
Speaker 1: you don't want us to do, and you're whatever you're
Speaker 1: not ready for it, and we'll do that. And it's incredible.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I felt like we came in here every
Speaker 1: Monday during the disappointing years of the Garrett era talking
Speaker 1: about that is like, oh, look at that. When you
Speaker 1: don't when you're not better across the board, that doesn't work.
Speaker 1: And the years that that worked for them, they had
Speaker 1: incredible offensive lines. And you know, fourteen they had a
Speaker 1: guy playing at an MVP level at quarterback, and in
Speaker 1: sixteen they had that year arguably the best running back
Speaker 1: in the league, dictating the pace of the game. Um.
Speaker 1: So that's awesome when you're better across the board, but
Speaker 1: when you're not, being adaptable is a lot of fun
Speaker 1: and way better. That's that's why I go off on
Speaker 1: these tangents about Kellen Moore because it's so refreshing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted to get one more question. Yeah, I wanted
Speaker 1: to get one more quick question for you guys. On
Speaker 1: the matchup this week. We talked a little b about
Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggle earlier with Bucky. He's leading the NFL and
Speaker 1: past defenses with six, tied for the league interceptions with three.
Speaker 1: Would you use him this week to take away more
Speaker 1: more being their best option? Would you use him in
Speaker 1: that kind of role where you travel him with him
Speaker 1: and just try to take him out of the game
Speaker 1: and force other guys to beat you think you gotta
Speaker 1: double them up. I mean, I absolutely feel comfortable with that.
Speaker 1: If he can do it against Mike Evans and Keenan Allen,
Speaker 1: those are I mean. And I think kylie of Dj Moore,
Speaker 1: I loved him coming out of the draft. Those guys
Speaker 1: are better than he than DJ Moore. The thing that
Speaker 1: worries me about that is Robbie Anderson's a deep shot beast,
Speaker 1: and do you feel comfortable with that? But that's but yeah,
Speaker 1: I look at it and say, I would rather double
Speaker 1: him and make sure he doesn't get deep ever, like
Speaker 1: you're never gonna have You're always gonna have a guy
Speaker 1: over the top with him, and I would make sure
Speaker 1: that that's a mainstay. And then let's say I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take away DJ Moore with my best defender. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: might make some plays, but I don't think he's gonna
Speaker 1: get off, And so to me, that's kind of your
Speaker 1: best both worlds, and then who you're gonna beat the
Speaker 1: Cowboys with? Right, You can also flip it too. You
Speaker 1: can also say I'll take him against Robbie Anderson and
Speaker 1: just shut him down if he can shut him down,
Speaker 1: and then you maybe you double team Dj Moore. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's different ways to skin the cat. So and that's
Speaker 1: and they maybe maybe we'll do all of it. I
Speaker 1: think people lose sight of in the course of a game,
Speaker 1: you do a little bit of everything. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just not as simple as this and this sixty five.
Speaker 1: The reason I asked that is because I do think
Speaker 1: maybe for the first time in a very very long time,
Speaker 1: Dallas has a corner where they are actually using him
Speaker 1: like that, where they're saying, you're gonna take this guy
Speaker 1: to game A. Okay, he's been pretty good at him
Speaker 1: A okay with Treyvon Diggs having that assignment and just
Speaker 1: just Brackett Anderson and actually have the safety get over there, right,
Speaker 1: because that was the problem in New York a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. That was the problem in Week one two,
Speaker 1: like Anthony Brown was supposed to have safety help and
Speaker 1: it just didn't get there. So don't make that mistake.
Speaker 1: I mean, just think about what this team has that
Speaker 1: we've just talked about in the last five minutes that
Speaker 1: we haven't had adaptable play callers that do like weird
Speaker 1: and exotics, uh, teams that turn the ball over, our
Speaker 1: defense that gets turnovers, a corner, a shutdown corner that
Speaker 1: travels with everyone, great safety help and safety depth. I mean,
Speaker 1: what's going on here right? I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, when Donovan Wilson comes back, I don't know
Speaker 1: who the backups are going to be. Hooker, Donovan Wilson, Wilson,
Speaker 1: I don't Dona Wilson and Lee Cooker will probably be
Speaker 1: your backups to Jayron Curse. And because he even though
Speaker 1: they're all gonna play, there's there's years where those two
Speaker 1: backups would have easily started and been really good upgrades.
Speaker 1: So safety depth, I mean, that's that's what is that
Speaker 1: It's everything it I can't I can't wrap my brain
Speaker 1: around it. I think the Jron Curse signing and what
Speaker 1: has happened here is one of the more underrated things
Speaker 1: that we haven't talked about a lot. I mean, this
Speaker 1: guy's leading the team and tackle or one off. I
Speaker 1: think he's leading the team and tackles, leading team and
Speaker 1: special teams tackles. Nobody really wanted him. Dan Quinn was like,
Speaker 1: I have a perfect role for him. They brought him in.
Speaker 1: It's been great, and he's got swagged to him. That's
Speaker 1: I think hope that guy on the Eagle sidelines. Okay,
Speaker 1: but I mean you know that that that's like the
Speaker 1: hardest hit of the night. Was that kid the trainer
Speaker 1: or just saw that. But other I mean he's physical,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's he's got it's it's fun. Like
Speaker 1: it's weird to say about it. He was just kind
Speaker 1: of a journeyman before he got here. He's a versatile
Speaker 1: play like he doesn't have one defined role. He might
Speaker 1: he might not even be considered a starter depending on
Speaker 1: who's available. But I think he's got some spunk to
Speaker 1: him instead of the other word that you usually say.
Speaker 1: There this too, like if you go look and I'm
Speaker 1: not hating on I'm good for you. He gets on
Speaker 1: Twitter after the games and like he'll go at people
Speaker 1: that that have something to say or got a little
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley, he was talking. He was talking, yes, but
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little a lot of it, but
Speaker 1: not always necessarily in a negative way, Like he was
Speaker 1: just he was on Twitter yesterday and and just like, man,
Speaker 1: I love being around this team. This team's a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. And so I wasn't expecting him to be
Speaker 1: this energetic leadership type of guy. But that seems from
Speaker 1: the outside at least like what's happening, Like I think
Speaker 1: he's making a big impact, but he does fit the
Speaker 1: moll And I think this is where you were talking
Speaker 1: about you can't really always predict how you get turnovers.
Speaker 1: I do think at some point we got to start
Speaker 1: talking about the way they constructed this team. They were
Speaker 1: very very adamant, we want long, rangy, aggressive type defensive backs,
Speaker 1: and they went out and got him in droves. And
Speaker 1: maybe that's a part of what you're seeing right now
Speaker 1: is you got those kind of players and they're playing
Speaker 1: like that in a scheme that really fits for them
Speaker 1: to be able to be aggressive and use those long
Speaker 1: limbs to be able to get to get their hands
Speaker 1: on balls. And true, but two of the other guys
Speaker 1: that are also making plays are not gonna win any
Speaker 1: any you know, tallest man contests. You know, well, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about Kaze, I mean, but I'm talking about how
Speaker 1: long is he? How long? Not not Jordan? Obviously Jordan
Speaker 1: is a smaller guy. But I'm talking about like that
Speaker 1: was the thing, Like Trayvon Digg isn't a big guy,
Speaker 1: he's got long arms, and so that's the thing, like
Speaker 1: you talked about, we talked about in draft day, like
Speaker 1: all these guys that are bringing in, all of them
Speaker 1: got like limbs. I don't think Casey's got a long harm.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. That's not that's a question.
Speaker 1: CAZy is an interesting outlier. He doesn't look anything like
Speaker 1: the rest of him. But he un curses six eight right. No,
Speaker 1: but well, and I think it's not a coincidence the
Speaker 1: guy CAZy being the guy that doesn't fit the rest
Speaker 1: of this mold is the guy that played for five
Speaker 1: years with Quinn in Atlanta, four years. What every name
Speaker 1: is so like perfect ye crazy because he plays that way.
Speaker 1: He really is. I mean, he's gonna he's that guy.
Speaker 1: He reminds me of rocket Ismael in this in this
Speaker 1: way rocket Ismail every single game at the end of
Speaker 1: the game was hurt. Hey, he might have lost it.
Speaker 1: I mean, he might be out for the game. He's
Speaker 1: got hurt. He's a little guy that got hit and
Speaker 1: and he was banged up all the time, but he
Speaker 1: was back in the next week and and and Casey's
Speaker 1: kind of that way. We've seen him banged up, but
Speaker 1: he's back in it and playing making plays. Um. He
Speaker 1: just kind of has he just plays with reckless, you know, abandoned. Really,
Speaker 1: I think it's this secondary has been attacking opponents through
Speaker 1: the first three weeks, like making players on the ball
Speaker 1: curse to get I mean, mixing it up with the
Speaker 1: sideline and all that type of stuff. And I don't
Speaker 1: want to say, I definitely don't want to say like
Speaker 1: any NFL player is afraid out there, but like the
Speaker 1: secondaries that we've been so used to watching have almost
Speaker 1: been passive, you know, And I like that was kind
Speaker 1: of Marinelli's idea, was like keep them in front of you,
Speaker 1: limit the big plays will be okay. And so you
Speaker 1: just never saw that kind of attitude and aggression and
Speaker 1: just like we're gonna go take it to you, Like
Speaker 1: we haven't seen that from the Dallas secondary and Brandon
Speaker 1: cars and Byron Jones, those guys, you know, more cover guys.
Speaker 1: Stay with them and think about how they were being taught.
Speaker 1: I remember this several years ago. They were they were
Speaker 1: actually the techniques they were teaching them were not really
Speaker 1: attacked the ball type techniques. They were more like get
Speaker 1: your hand in between the receiver's arm, try to knock
Speaker 1: the ball out. The purpose was more to break up
Speaker 1: the past than it was to go after the ball.
Speaker 1: So it also can be about how you're being taught
Speaker 1: and what you're being asked to do as a cornerback
Speaker 1: as well. All Right, apprecate you guys, jon Us. We'll
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow. We're gonna talk a little bit more
Speaker 1: about the Carolina offense. I'm sorry to Carolina defense versus
Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense. Till then for Nick even, Dave helm
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