1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntire. 2 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: What is up straight fire for you. It's me Jason McIntyre, 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 2: Straight Boyer for Wednesday, October the fifteenth. Oh boy, oh boy, 4 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: the Dodgers look good people. Dodgers go up two to 5 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: oh on the brew Crew with a dispatch of Milwaukee, 6 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: and that game one, going back to it, that ninth 7 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: inning was so pivotal Dodgers steal that Brewers have to 8 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: feel kind of defeated, and then it was just, yeah, 9 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: the Bats want silent again from Milwaukee. So Dodger's up 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: to nothing, looking increasingly like a Dodgers Mariners West Coast 11 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: World Series. Yeah, obviously I'll be trying to get to 12 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: a game if possible out here. But we have other 13 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: stuff today. We have a great guest, Joe Shad Palm 14 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: Beach Post. I've I followed his stuff since he's covered 15 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: college football long long time ago. Now he's covering one 16 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: of the biggest train wrecks in the NFL, and that 17 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: is the Miami Dolphins. Because their coaches on the hot seat, 18 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,919 Speaker 2: the defense can't stop a nosebleed, their quarterback is calling 19 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: out people on the team. It's all ugly and I 20 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 2: just wanted him to break it down. And it's funny 21 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: because Miami Dolphins in theories a good job. Players want 22 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: to go there, right And Joe runs through a bunch 23 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: of interesting names who are successful NFL coaches right now, 24 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: who had been in the building. It's a little spooky 25 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 2: how Miami just let these good. Dan Campbell was there, 26 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: Ben Johnson was like, geez, Miami, like it's an attractive town, 27 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: attractive city. But it feels like a full on reboot 28 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: is coming, all right. Enjoy Joe Shad. We are back 29 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: tomorrow obviously Bengals Steelers on Thursday Night Football. I did 30 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: bet the Bengals getting five and a half. I know 31 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: it's just small, small action play a fate of the Steelers. 32 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: We'll see if Mighty Joe Flacko can deliver with That's tomorrow. 33 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: We'll break it all down then, but now, enjoy Joe 34 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: Shadd of the Palm Beach Post. 35 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 36 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 37 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 38 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 1: listen live. You know, a guy Jason likes to think 39 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: he knows everything when it comes to sports. I know 40 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: what sports fans want, but for everything he doesn't. He 41 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: knows a guy who does. 42 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 3: Let's just say I know a guy who knows a 43 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 3: guy who knows another guy. 44 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome back to straight fire. Big time 45 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: reporter knows the Miami Dolphins a sinking ship. Well, maybe 46 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: that's a little bit harsh as well as anybody. Joe 47 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: shadd Paul Beach post Joe, how are you man? 48 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 4: Good? Jason? 49 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a while since we've spoken. Not a 50 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: lot happening in Miami except for the last month. And 51 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: I don't know. We just saw the Tennessee Titans by 52 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 2: their coach and everybody's on, you know, Mike McDaniel, watch, 53 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 2: I saw the statement that Stephen Ross released. I don't 54 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: know what do you make of Miami at this point 55 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: the season. They as a brutal loss to the Chargers. 56 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, one in five is certainly not what 57 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 3: the Dolphins were hoping. There have been several close losses, 58 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 3: but this is not a very good. 59 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 4: Team right now. 60 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 3: And the off the field drama and turmoil, it just 61 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 3: compounds everything. 62 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 4: You know. 63 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: Comments from Tua Tongue Vailoa and press conferences Tyreek Hill 64 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 3: and then of course the Tyreek Kill injury. 65 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 4: It's just it's just not good at all. 66 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm trying to find a bright spot. I 67 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: was even gonna look to see like if they have 68 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: extra draft picks or maybe they don't have a lot 69 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: of guys who are free agents. But it's tough to 70 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: look big picture at the Dolphins without you know, looking 71 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: closely at Oh my gosh, what's gonna happen with the coach? 72 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: And then what the heck happens with Tua. Now I 73 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: know they did sign them to a long deal, but 74 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: I'm just curious, what's the vibe you got those comments 75 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: are to have made? You know, I know he's trying 76 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: to be a leader, but they came off clunky and 77 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: McDaniel had to correct him. I don't know where are 78 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: you on that? 79 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Mike McDaniel and to a Tongue of 80 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 3: Loo would seem to be attached at the hip. Mike 81 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: was obviously a huge advocate of To a Tongue of 82 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 3: La reinstilled his confidence after it was ruined during the 83 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: Brian Flores era. So you know, it seems more likely 84 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 3: than not that this will be Mike McDaniels last year 85 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: as head coach. We can't say with certainty if this 86 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 3: will be the last year for general manager Chris Grew, 87 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 3: who's had ten years under owner Stephen Ross with no 88 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: playoff wins. 89 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 4: What Yeah. 90 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: In fact, he's been with the organization for twenty five 91 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 3: years and the only year in which the Dolphins won 92 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: a playoff game was his first year with the organization. 93 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: So it's really hard to understand how much patience owner 94 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 3: Steven Ross has. But he is an extremely patient man. 95 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 3: And if they bring in a new general manager and 96 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 3: a new head coach, you have to think that they're 97 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 3: going to at least want a quarterback Mike Panics, Kirk 98 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 3: Cousins for example, Russell Wilson, Jackson Dart for example. 99 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 4: To usher out the Tua era because he's probably under 100 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 4: contract with the Dolphins next year. 101 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: Interesting, let me ask you about McDaniel. He came in 102 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 2: and it was, oh my gosh, this guy who's just yale, 103 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 2: little guy. He clearly didn't play football, but said all 104 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: the right things, and then you know, he seemed to 105 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: get a little cocky after the two playoff trips. I 106 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: think I don't want to call him the bell of 107 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: the ball. But a lot of people liked him and now, 108 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 2: of course, well he can't control the locker room. He's 109 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: too young, he's not a former player. He's too friendly 110 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: with the players. What do you make of the arc 111 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 2: of McDaniel. 112 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, and McDaniel is a great guy, and he all 113 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 3: those stories we wrote about him having emotional intelligence, the 114 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: ability to relate and connect to people from different environments, 115 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 3: the ability to lift their confidence, the ability to teach 116 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 3: using different methods. 117 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 4: That hasn't gone away. He's not dumb, okay, And all those. 118 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 3: Things that we thought were funny, the fans no longer 119 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 3: think are funny. The press conference jokes, the quirkiness. 120 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 4: It's just the way of life. 121 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 3: I mean, McDaniel knew that all the things that he 122 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: was praised for when he was winning, he would eventually 123 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 3: be criticized for if the team were to lose. He's 124 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 3: a very smart guy and anybody around McDaniel, anybody around 125 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: the Dolphins would know that those things fly when the 126 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 3: team is winning, and they become really highlighted as detrimental 127 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: when the team is losing. 128 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird, Joe when I see him at the podium. 129 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: Now he's stub he seems to be. Now, maybe I'm wrong. 130 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 2: You see him way more than I do. Seems to 131 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: be a lot of well, he just doesn't seem or 132 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 2: look as confident. Is this a beaten down man or 133 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 2: pretty much the same McDaniel No. 134 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard to make as many jokes when 135 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 3: you're one in five. He has a certain self awareness 136 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 3: about that. But you know, Mike was always big on 137 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 3: eye contact, and there has been a lot of looking 138 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 3: down lately, and I've noticed that. And if Mike watched 139 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: back his press conferences, who would probably notice that too. 140 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 4: I think that's on behind the scenes. 141 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 3: He is probably as you would expect, frustrated, disappointed, melancholy, 142 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 3: all those things. I think even he probably realizes he's 143 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 3: in a ditch that's going to be really difficult to 144 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: dig out of. 145 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: Now. 146 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: I haven't seen him try to play the blame game 147 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: and blame Greer the GM. I think we could both 148 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: agree that looking at the history of the draft day, 149 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: they have not done well. I know there were plenty 150 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: of people advocating to move on from Tyreek Hill and 151 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: they refuse to do that. They kind of built a 152 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: track team and it's pretty clear the AFC is going 153 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: to go through you know, cold Cincinnati, cold Buffalo, or 154 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: cold Kansas City for the next like, I don't know, 155 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: eight to ten years, and they weren't really built for that. 156 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: But you know, they did make the playoffs twice under 157 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: his watch. How would you analyze how he did in 158 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: Miami as a head coach? And I know I'm speaking 159 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: in the past tense. I'm just assuming they're not feeling 160 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: off a nine game win streak, you know. 161 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: I mean playoff wins in the first two years certainly 162 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 3: acceptable performances. 163 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 4: The Dolphins were hoping. 164 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: That last year they would be legitimate Super Bowl contenders 165 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 3: in the AFC. That did not happen for multitude of reasons, 166 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 3: including injuries. But the Dolphins can't use injuries as excuses 167 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: anymore because they've had too many older players who they 168 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: signed or drafted despite knowing their injury histories, including unfortunately 169 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 3: to a. 170 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 4: Tongue of bell Low. 171 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 3: The Dolphins drafted him knowing he had a catastrophic hip injury. 172 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 3: The Dolphins drafted him knowing he wasn't particularly strong or 173 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 3: strong armed or mobile. You know, the Dolphins knew what 174 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 3: they were getting. They were hoping they were getting the 175 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: next Drew Brees. They built their team and their offense 176 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: around his strengths, and so you can't blame them. You know, 177 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 3: nobody was complaining when the Dolphins scored seventy points at 178 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 3: a hard rock stadium against the Denver Broncos. But it's 179 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 3: been down hill from there. And I think you know, 180 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: it's both on and off field. The defensives have sort 181 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: of caught up to some of the scheme things that 182 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: were causing tremendous confusion for the players that the Dolphins 183 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 3: were facing. And then also just off the field. Man, 184 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: you know, you went from really good vibes to really 185 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 3: bad vibes. And the Dolphins would have moved off from 186 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill, but there's no chance they were going to 187 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 3: get equal value for him. It's like trying to trade 188 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 3: your two year old Ferrari. You know, it's like you're 189 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 3: not going to get anywhere close back to what you 190 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 3: paid for it, or for how well you. 191 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 4: Know it can perform when it's not in the shop. 192 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: But at the same time, they're now going to get 193 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: nothing for him because he's hurt and down for the season. 194 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 4: Now, I know you. 195 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: Couldn't have predicted that, but I would assume his days 196 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: in Miami are done. And the problem with building around Tua, 197 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: which again it wasn't the worst idea, they did have 198 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 2: some eyes, is that now you've got to kind of 199 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: tear it down to the studs to rebuild, right. I mean, 200 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: I don't think you could just say, hey, we're a 201 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: few pieces away. We could keep tuoh, we could keep Wattle. 202 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 2: My read is you kind of got to tear it up. 203 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: And I, as a Jets fan, I know this because 204 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: you know, Aaron Rodgers is now thriving with Pittsburgh, and 205 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: I got buddies who are like, oh, come on, Jay, 206 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: you guys Golda had Err and you're moved off them. 207 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, it was not 208 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 2: going to work with the Jets. 209 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 4: So you move off him. 210 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 2: You got to tear it down. It's going to be ugly, 211 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 2: but then you build it back up. 212 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 4: Do you think. 213 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 2: Miami could salvage this with like a hate we could 214 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: make a few moves around the edges, bolster the O 215 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: line or is it like a hey we got a 216 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: clean house, GM coach, quarterback, everything. 217 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 3: No, it's a starting over. I mean, you know Jason 218 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 3: that the Dolphins tore it down. They didn't want to 219 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 3: call it a tank, but it was an intentional tear down. 220 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: In twenty eighteen. At the start of twenty nineteen, All 221 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 3: Pro safety mikeer Fitzpatrick asked for a trade. He wanted out. 222 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 3: I think the Dolphins reacquire him nineteen to twenty five, 223 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: six years later, and they're no better off. They spent 224 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 3: all this draft capital, they invested all of Steven Ross's 225 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 3: free agent dollars, and they're no closer to a Super Bowl. 226 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 3: As a Jets fan, you know that pain, You know 227 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 3: the torture. You know that your friends say, what about 228 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, Maybe we should have kept them? Look how 229 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 3: he was succeeding elsewhere. What if I told you that 230 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: Todd Bowles was an interim coach for the Dolphins, that 231 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 3: the Lions coach was an interim coach, Dan Campbell for 232 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 3: the Dolphins, and that Ben Johnson was an assistant coach 233 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: for the Dolphins. Those are three coaches who have come 234 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 3: through the organization. And what Dolphin fans consistently say is 235 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 3: how come players and coaches have more success after they 236 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: leave the organization? 237 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: Wow, that's an amazing said, I did not know that 238 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: about Ben Johnson. So let me ask, so now you're 239 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: scared of me? When you start looking big picture, you're like, well, geez, 240 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: these guys haven't really been successful since I don't know, 241 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: Dan Marino. Is that how far back you have to go? 242 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 2: I think feeling they got to an AFC championship, didn't they. 243 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 4: Well, you know, I was the first time I covered 244 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 4: the Dolphins. 245 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 3: They had some really good players, Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, 246 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 3: Ricky Williams, Patrick Certain, So that was really the last 247 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 3: time the Dolphins were really good. 248 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 4: You know. Obviously it's just been so long and the 249 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 4: owner has tried all sorts of things. He's gone players coach, 250 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 4: he's gone disciplinarian, he's gone offense, he's gone defense. You 251 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 4: have to assume that if and when the Dolphins move 252 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 4: on from Mike McDaniel, they'll go back to the Brian 253 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 4: Flores model of disciplinarian. 254 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 3: I mean, we see this in all sports. We see 255 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: this in all franchises. Dependents and swings back and forth 256 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 3: and back and forth. I think that owner Stephen Ross 257 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: would be smart to pursue a head coach with experience. 258 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 3: He's pursued and failed on Jim Harbaugh and Sean Payton 259 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 3: in the past. If he had delivered those guys, this 260 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: might be a different story. If he had delivered Tom 261 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: Brady on that yacht Super Bowl weekend. 262 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 4: You know. 263 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: And when Belichick said he couldn't play anymore, well, we 264 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 3: all knew he could, and I guess Stephen Ross knew 265 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 3: he could too, because he wanted to sign him. 266 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best boy talk lineup in 267 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 268 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 269 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: listen live. 270 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 2: That's funny you said when you were mentioning all those Dolphins. 271 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: You said Patrick Surtan, I was like, wait, a sec 272 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 2: pecard Shirtan didn't the Broncos drafted like no, his dad? 273 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's how long it's been. 274 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 4: Now. 275 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: It is interesting. This whole disciplinary and the Brian Flores 276 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: thing flopped badly, like really badly. You know, they went offensive. 277 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: So you, my guess is a defensive minded disciplinarian is 278 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: probably who they would target. So what let me guess 279 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 2: like a Jesse Minter. 280 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 4: Of the Chargers. 281 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, but here's the he's too young. He doesn't have 282 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 2: it here's. 283 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 3: One thing about NFL coaching hirings, and you know this. 284 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 3: You want to, if possible draft have the play caller, 285 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 3: the offensive play caller, be the head coach because you've 286 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 3: seen this so many times where you lose the talented 287 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 3: offensive coordinator very quickly to another franchise as the head coach. 288 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: So you know that's why the Dolphins went Adam Gase 289 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel, And so I wouldn't rule out offense, okay, 290 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 3: and Mike mctag Dolphins fear, the Dolphin fans fear that 291 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel is going to go become one of the 292 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 3: best play callers in the NFL somewhere else. 293 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: I would suspect that he So do you think do 294 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: you think he'll be a head coach or do you 295 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: think he goes OC and then head coach again? 296 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 3: I think oh would be smart. We saw Adam Gase 297 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 3: make a mistake. It's not his fault. The Jets wanted 298 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 3: to hire him for some reason, and so it's hard 299 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 3: to say no to that head coaching salary. But I 300 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 3: could certainly see Mike McDaniel being a successful coordinator. Uh 301 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: and then who knows, maybe down the road, having the 302 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 3: success that the Dan Campbell's and the Todd Bowless of 303 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 3: the world have had years years later. 304 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 4: But yeah, but Brian Floores in't tw a tongue of Vallo. 305 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 4: It was just a terrible mesh. It was oil and water. Yeah, 306 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 4: I did know they weren't a good match. 307 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: So you you mentioned bulls just now. So he seems 308 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: to somehow have unlocked the strategy where he's like, hey, 309 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: I'm a defensive guy and I will rotate OC's But 310 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: he maybe they've just gotten suit him and Jason liked 311 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: have been gotten just lucky. 312 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 4: He'll give you another one. 313 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 3: Josh Grizzard, Grizzard or Grizzard. Yeah, he's a right, he's 314 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 3: a rising star. Okay, did you know that he was 315 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 3: the receivers coach for the Dolphins. 316 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: I didn't know that all of these. 317 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 3: Guys chasing all of these guys that have come through, 318 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 3: whether they were receivers coaches. He was like a quality 319 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 3: control guy and I was like one of the fastest 320 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 3: ricketing stars in in football. 321 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: That's interesting. So how does that what's your read, Joe? 322 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: How does that happen? How do all those big names 323 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 2: come through there? Is it simply that everybody wanted to 324 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 2: work in Miami. Hey yeah, honey, we're moving to Miami. 325 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: Like you're a young guy, You're moving to Miami. Like 326 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 2: that's I'll definitely go there. 327 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 3: That's part of what makes it so painful, right, I 328 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 3: mean you look at you look at the Florida Panthers, 329 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 3: back to back Stanley Cup championships, no state taxes, beautiful weather, 330 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 3: great culture. The Dolphins have outstanding facilities, beautiful stadium. The 331 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 3: owner is willing to do anything, He's willing to pay anything. 332 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 3: It's the opposite of the Marlins guy, you know. And 333 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 3: you know, I would like to see a winning product 334 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 3: down there with the baseball. But all they do is 335 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 3: just keep turning it over and turning it over. They 336 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 3: never actually invest. This guy Ross invests. So that's just 337 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 3: part of what makes it so difficult. You know, so 338 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 3: many players want to come here, but then you got 339 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 3: to question while they're coming here for the right reasons, 340 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 3: you know, So you really got to do your investigative 341 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 3: work because too many guys have come here to sort 342 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: of wrap up their careers, you know, and when they 343 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 3: get here. 344 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: On the back nine, it's interesting, I'm looking at their schedule, 345 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 2: it removed that Colts game that early one. They've been 346 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 2: able to put up points right twenty seven on the 347 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: Patriots twenty one now know some special teams as factored 348 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: and then the Jets. So they're they're scoring, they're just 349 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: not completing the process in winning. 350 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 3: Defense has been terrible defensive cooridator Anthony Weaver interview for 351 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 3: Hedghut Coachings last year Rising Star in the Professional Smart Guy, 352 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 3: Good Coach. Terrible season. They're one of the worst defenses 353 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 3: in the NFL. They're the worst defense in the NFL 354 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 3: against the run. I think the Dolphins underestimated how much 355 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 3: the losses of Klais Campbell, Javon Holland, and Jalen Ramsey 356 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: would have on the field. Ramsey went as part of 357 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 3: a cultural turnover. 358 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 4: They wanted to. 359 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 3: Have guys who weren't always can we say being and 360 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 3: moaning and unhappy? 361 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 4: Can you say that on a podcast? 362 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 2: You can say bitching, You can be so. 363 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: Jalen Ramsey very talented player, but he was always bitching 364 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 3: and moaning and causing a headache for the Dolphins, and 365 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 3: so they said, let's get rid of this guy. And 366 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 3: now again Dolphin fans, watch your watch Jalen Ramsey winning 367 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 3: games for the Steelers and Brian Flores be doing an 368 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 3: outstanding job as a coordinator. 369 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 4: It's just a very pay I feel bad for Dolphin fans. 370 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 4: They're they're a very torture group. 371 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: Yeah well, I mean, listen, you're talking to a Jets 372 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 2: fan here, and you beat the Jets. On the game, 373 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 2: I thought the Jets played okay. They just kept fumbling 374 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 2: and screwing up at the most inopportune times. Now here's 375 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 2: my thing. One of the bets I made this week, 376 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: I'm on the Browns against Miami. It was two and 377 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 2: a half. I'm seeing on some threes now. I mean, 378 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 2: if they lose to Dylan Gabriel on the road. Now, 379 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: the problem with the Browns is their home road splits 380 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 2: are incredible. For whatever reason, they become a juggernaut at home, 381 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: playing in front of the Dog Pound, and I don't 382 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: I'm a little worried about that offensive line. I'm looking 383 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 2: at some of the grades for Miami. Holy hell, it's 384 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: not good. Can't stop the run. We know that the young, 385 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 2: the rookie, the dolphin the Browns have, he could get loose. 386 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 2: I think the Browns win this one, and I don't 387 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: know what's your read on if they lose to the 388 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 2: Browns this week. 389 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Dolphins are gonna have a hard time winning 390 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 3: in Cleveland. I absolutely agree with you there. The Dolphins 391 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 3: starting right guard has only played a few snaps this year. 392 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 4: He's out. The Dolphins right tackle has only played a 393 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 4: few snaps this year. He's out. 394 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 3: The dolphins starting left guard is a rookie, and he's 395 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 3: the worst graded garden in the entire NFL. 396 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 4: So this is a bad matchup. I don't know. 397 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 3: If the Dolphins win, it's gonna have to be like 398 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 3: thirteen n in my opinion, So take the under. 399 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 4: I guess. 400 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 3: Take the under if you believe in the Dolphins. But 401 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 3: I don't think Ross is in any rush to fire 402 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 3: Mike mcdane. I think the assumption is going to be 403 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 3: that McDaniel not will not be that coach next year. 404 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 3: But you know he calls the offensive plays, so Hoo 405 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 3: becomes the offensive play caller. 406 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 4: Anthony Weaver was the assumed interim. 407 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 3: Coach, given a chance to become that coach, but they 408 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 3: have the worst defense in the NFL, so it's hard. 409 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 4: To make him the interim coach. 410 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 3: You know, it would be have to be a compihlation 411 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 3: of these awful off the field moments where the Dolphins 412 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 3: become sort of the laughing stock of the entire NFL 413 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 3: world and media. 414 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 4: It is. 415 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 3: You know, you watch those TV shows and when they 416 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 3: talk about the Dolphins, it's not a flattering light. I'm 417 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 3: sure that Stephen Ross's friends are letting him know the 418 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: things that are being said about his franchise. But you know, 419 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 3: I mean, look, we saw with the Titans, right, Folks 420 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 3: didn't think that he would get fired this Yearly the owner, Yeah, 421 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 3: maybe speak speak of the press conference to explain herself, 422 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 3: but she obviously woke up and said, I'm done with this. 423 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 3: I'm washing my hands, and that can happen, you know, 424 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: you lose, you know, thirty to seven. 425 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, of course I think he might get fired. 426 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, So again, it's disrespectful to McDaniel, But I got 427 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 2: to ask, like, if I'm spit bawling Kneans, I'll just 428 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 2: throw something at you. You give me your read on it. 429 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 2: It doesn't fall in the disciplinarian bucket, but he knows offense. 430 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 2: And if there's anybody who could take two out of 431 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: the next level. Your thoughts on Cliff Kingsbury. 432 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I know Cliff, and certainly he would, 433 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 3: in my opinion, be an intriguing candidate to owner Steven Ross. 434 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 3: I think he would be excited about the offensive pedigree 435 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 3: and track record. And you know, I would say that 436 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 3: if Cliff Kingsbury wanted an interview that he would probably 437 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 3: be able to get one if in fact the Dolphins 438 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 3: job opening, you know, occurs. 439 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 2: How about you know, not as sexy of a name, 440 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: a little older, Mike McCarthy one with Aaron Rodgers, did 441 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 2: a lot of good things with Dak Prescott. It kind 442 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 2: of left that ship before it sank in Dallas. Defensively, 443 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: at least they're not an eleven win team. Any thoughts 444 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 2: on McCarthy. 445 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, not a name that's going to necessarily 446 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 3: excite the fan base. But I think because of his 447 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 3: credibility as a legitimate, established head coach who's won a 448 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 3: lot of games, that he's a guy who certainly would 449 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 3: would merit some consideration. And it's kind of just hard 450 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 3: to know. When they hired Flores, it was all about CEO, 451 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 3: leader of men. When they hired McDaniel, it really came 452 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 3: out of left field. Remember, no one else had even 453 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 3: interviewed McDaniel for the head coaching job. They were just 454 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 3: blown away by his acumen and smarts and enthusiasm. 455 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 4: So, you know, it's hard. It's hard to know. 456 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 2: And I know you're a long ty. I first met 457 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 2: you or got to go up on your stuff when 458 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: you were covered from college football. I'm just gonna throw 459 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: a name at you. You know, I think he's coveted. 460 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: I thought he would be ticketed. 461 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 4: For the Bears. 462 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: They went a different direction, but Marcus Freeman of Notre Dame. 463 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I know Marcus. 464 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 3: I think Marcus is certainly a rising star in the 465 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 3: coaching profession. 466 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 4: No idea. 467 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 3: Obviously, owner Stephen Ross is a Michigan guy. Yes, it's 468 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 3: always certainly familiar with Midwestern football. 469 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 4: Who won the Michigan Notre Dame game this. 470 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 2: Year at her I don't think they've played yet, but 471 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: I'm fairly certain Notre Dame will win it. 472 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously you know that he went Nick. 473 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 3: They went Nick Saban at one point, so. 474 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think anything's in play. You're right, McDaniel 475 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 2: was a curveball and Miami who I wonder. Lastly, you 476 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 2: know the Verabel's success with the Patriots. He's now on 477 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 2: top the division. That's got a stay. I know that 478 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: hurts the Jets, but it really has to sting the Dolphins, 479 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: who have been the second best team in this division 480 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 2: for a few years now, and you know it to 481 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 2: be them in Buffalo, and clearly New England has passed 482 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 2: both the Jets and Dolphins. 483 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 4: It's funny, right, the Bills and the Patriots. 484 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 3: Two defensive coaches who are you know, tough and you 485 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 3: know strong and all this sort of stuff. 486 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know the Dolphins. 487 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 3: The Dolphins thought that once they had gotten rid of Brady, 488 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 3: that that would usher in an era of enthusiasm, optimism 489 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 3: at Hope. I think eventually the Dolphins is going to 490 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 3: end up trying to seek their own mic Forrabel. I 491 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 3: don't know if Rabel ever would have coached the Dolphins, 492 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 3: but that's the mode or model that they might be 493 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 3: turning back towards. 494 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 2: All right, Joe Shad Palm Beach Post. Listen, man, my 495 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 2: Jets are down bad. I don't mind them being down 496 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 2: because I want them to get the number one pick. Listen, 497 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 2: as soon as you're right. As soon as Brady left, 498 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: I was like, all right, the Jets have a chance. 499 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 2: We just got to find our guy. They haven't been 500 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 2: able to find their guy. And the Patriots said Drake 501 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: may who Now you saw him up close. He kind 502 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: of looks like a French quarterback, doesn't he. 503 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 504 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 3: I think the Jets and the Dolphins have both been 505 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 3: seeking their identity. 506 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 4: You know. 507 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 3: For me, for the Jets, when I think of the Jets, 508 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 3: I think of either the Wesley Walker altoon explosive offense 509 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 3: days or the Rex Ryan defenses, so you can. 510 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 4: Kind of go both ways. I would prefer to see 511 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 4: the Jets go defense. 512 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 3: And of course Aaron glenn is supposed to be, you know, 513 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 3: the answer for the Dolphins on def for the Jets 514 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 3: on defense. 515 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 2: But well the Jets had that with Robert Salah. Yeah, good, 516 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: good coach, and Aaron Rodgers let him down. And I'm 517 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 2: sorry people don't want to hear it. Aaron Rodgers let 518 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 2: him down. Not the injury, but last year. I mean, Joe, 519 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: I don't know how close do you follow the Jets, 520 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: but like he had like three or four chances in 521 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 2: the first half of the season late in games to 522 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 2: deliver and failed all of them. It was like vikings. 523 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: There were a few other games. I don't have them 524 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 2: off the top of my head. But and he just 525 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 2: didn't deliver. 526 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 4: Same old Jets and same old Dolphins. 527 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 2: All right, Joe, take it easy. 528 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 4: Goodness here