WEBVTT - The Sinful Seven with Richard Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the solid verbal home for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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<v Speaker 2>for a day at the steak? Is that woo woof?

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<v Speaker 2>And then and tie?

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to the solid verbal boys and girls. My

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<v Speaker 3>name is Ty Hildebrandt, joining me as always over there.

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<v Speaker 4>The one and only the man with the plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Rubenstein, sir, how you doing? I have no plan.

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<v Speaker 2>I have still a tie. Everything's being thrown at me

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<v Speaker 2>right now. I'm pretty good. I am speaking into a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of an audio cave. It's have you heard of

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<v Speaker 2>nuggets in like the uh the sort of foam blocks

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<v Speaker 2>that that little kids use to climb and make forts

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<v Speaker 2>out of. Do you know about this at all? I

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<v Speaker 2>think I do. Actually, yeah, I've got a couple nugget

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<v Speaker 2>wedges on a desk, a standing desk in front of me,

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<v Speaker 2>in a nugget square behind me, and I sound okay, right?

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<v Speaker 2>You do you do?

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<v Speaker 3>You mc guiverrt a studio and whatever the space you're in.

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<v Speaker 2>The nugget cave so far has done pretty well. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's the only plan I have right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Keep nuggeting, keep nuggeting.

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<v Speaker 3>That's good advice as we plot ahead amid a pandemic

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<v Speaker 3>and uncertainty in general around the college football world. We're

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<v Speaker 3>going to get into that here momentarily and when we

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<v Speaker 3>talk through news in the meantime, don't forget to subscribe

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<v Speaker 4>With the fun on social media.

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<v Speaker 3>We are on Instagram, we are on Twitter, we are

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<v Speaker 3>will say that last show, know where you're going with

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<v Speaker 3>this far exceeded my expectations.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we got a lot of reactions of I as

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<v Speaker 2>well am old and decrepit. We fought a lot of expectations.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a lot of high concepts that we like

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<v Speaker 3>to float out just amongst friends, and you never know

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<v Speaker 3>which one's going to stick and which isn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the why as well, I'm very sore all the time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I as well understand nothing of the age of the

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<v Speaker 2>people under twenty five. Yeah, we got a lot of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm glad we could relate to our audience with

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<v Speaker 2>everything that's deteriorating inside of us and spiritually at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time. Yeah, it was a good time. Can I

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<v Speaker 2>add another one real quick, just to ask if this

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<v Speaker 2>if this time I'm ready?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>What about calling the township to file a complaint? Is

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<v Speaker 3>that an old and washed thing to do?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's great. I think you got to be polite.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, I mean that sort of is in the

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<v Speaker 2>customer feedback genus that we talked about a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I do it from a positive standpoint. I don't like

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<v Speaker 2>to call up and yell and complain. I just like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, was great with the delivery. But yeah, if

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<v Speaker 2>there's something legitimate to complain about, I don't think I

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<v Speaker 2>think a younger person might sit idly by. Whereas you,

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<v Speaker 2>you're on the back nine. Essentially, you're you're what you're

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<v Speaker 2>only your pre forty is, yes, so you're approaching the

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<v Speaker 2>back nine. So you want it to be as pleasant

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<v Speaker 2>as possible, and you have a very specific thing that

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<v Speaker 2>you want to.

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<v Speaker 3>There's there's a reason that I ask you this question. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>are you familiar with something called a bird cannon?

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<v Speaker 2>I could figure out what that is. If we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>literal a cannon that shoots out birds. It does not show.

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<v Speaker 3>I was not aware of this contraption until late last night. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we are, as you know, pretty close to like an

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<v Speaker 3>expanse of farmland here. Apparently, yeah, yeah, yeah, Apparently a

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<v Speaker 3>bird cannon is something that the farmers used to scare

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<v Speaker 3>away birds and like other critters from messing with their

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<v Speaker 3>crops and animals and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>I looked it up.

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<v Speaker 3>It literally looks like a leaf blower hooked up to

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<v Speaker 3>a five gallon propane tank. So they're not shooting out no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not like a hot dog gun.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no projectile.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, this is a literal sound cannon.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, an l rad from whale Wars. Correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, the farmer is adjacent to this neighborhood. Have this

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<v Speaker 3>thing going off twenty four hours a day in increments

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<v Speaker 3>of two minutes and fifty two seconds. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if there is some importance to that number within the

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<v Speaker 3>animal kingdom.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they're.

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<v Speaker 3>Being overrun by mother nature over there or.

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<v Speaker 4>What is going on.

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<v Speaker 3>But I am telling you this thing sounds like Skipper,

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<v Speaker 3>the Virginia Tech cannon every single time it goes off

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<v Speaker 3>two minutes and fifty two seconds from now. I have

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<v Speaker 3>been up since two thirty in the morning. The neighbors

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<v Speaker 3>are posted on Facebook. The dog doesn't know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>We're under attack by the birds, the farmers, and now

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<v Speaker 3>the virus. And maybe Bob Bolesby.

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<v Speaker 4>Will talk about that in just a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>I just I need to get some damn sleep after

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<v Speaker 3>we hit the stop button here.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I turn this into college football?

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<v Speaker 4>Please? I would love you too.

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<v Speaker 2>You told me about this earlier, so my bewilderment was

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<v Speaker 2>actually fake. I knew what it was. The jig is up,

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<v Speaker 2>but tie. After you told me about this, I looked

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<v Speaker 2>up the best aerial performances by quarterbacks against college football

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<v Speaker 2>bird teams, the literal bird cannons of college football. If

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<v Speaker 2>you will, can you drop me my bird song? Please?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Howell against Temple and the Bowl lit them up,

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<v Speaker 2>lit those owls up. James Blackman against the Boston College

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<v Speaker 2>Eagles tie. Sharon Williams Miami, already transferred, but absolutely murdered

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<v Speaker 2>the Louisville Cardinals. Bryce Perkins against Virginia Tech the Hockey

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<v Speaker 2>Birds no longer at Virginia, but in a way.

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<v Speaker 4>Effort, not in a winning effort.

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<v Speaker 2>Brock Perdy lit up the Hawkeyes of Iowa, but that

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<v Speaker 2>was in a losing effort. Alex Delton and Max Duggan

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<v Speaker 2>your boys at TCU against Kansas Jayhawks. Sam Ellinger against

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<v Speaker 2>the Rice Owls. Dylan Gabriel against FAU although he only

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<v Speaker 2>did complete forty percent of his passes, but the ones

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<v Speaker 2>he did amazing. Justin Fields against the RedHawks of Miami.

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<v Speaker 2>Ian Book against the Falcons of Bowling Rain Tie just

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<v Speaker 2>torched him. Tied Torch was the bird cannon against those falcons.

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<v Speaker 2>Hank Bachmeer against Air Force four, Boise State to a

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<v Speaker 2>tongue of Iloa against the game Cocks of South Carolina.

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<v Speaker 2>Only a couple more here. Lane Hatcher Arkansas State, who

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<v Speaker 2>I think is the best twenty nineteen quarterbacks, Red Wolves

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<v Speaker 2>against the Eagles of Georgia Southern Brock Purty double bird,

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<v Speaker 2>double bird against Louisiana Monroe, the Warhawks, and finally, perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>actually there's two more. The one that made me the

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<v Speaker 2>status Jayden Daniels of ASU against the Oregon Ducks took

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<v Speaker 2>them out of playoff contention with his area assault. But

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps the most important one Holy Cross is Connor Daganheart

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<v Speaker 2>over the Mountain Hawks of Lehigh legendary performance.

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<v Speaker 4>We remember that one huge.

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<v Speaker 2>So those are your literal bird cannons of twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna need to incorporate the bird cannon into our

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<v Speaker 3>normal fare here on.

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<v Speaker 2>We just have to pay attention to the to bird

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<v Speaker 2>teams that lose via a big passing attack.

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<v Speaker 4>Should we get to news, I'd love to.

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<v Speaker 2>We have breaking news.

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<v Speaker 3>This isn't so much breaking, but I saw it. It

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<v Speaker 3>came across two forty one. It came across the wire

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<v Speaker 3>this afternoon. Mark Emmert is quote concerned join the club

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<v Speaker 3>mark about starting fall sports. I read from the article

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<v Speaker 3>here on ESPN dot com. As the start of the

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<v Speaker 3>college football season continues to inch closer and c DOAA

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<v Speaker 3>pre president Mark Emmert said Tuesday, he remains quote very

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<v Speaker 3>concerned about the status of fall sports. Thinks a delayed

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<v Speaker 3>start and shortened schedule might quote make sense again. Welcome

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<v Speaker 3>to the party, mister Emmert saliverbol at gmail dot com

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<v Speaker 3>if you'd like to give us very troubling, very troubling,

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<v Speaker 3>indeed further comment. Moving on, Ohio State has announced that

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<v Speaker 3>they'll be limiting their attendance to twenty percent inside the Horseshoe,

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<v Speaker 3>face coverings will be required and tailgating will be banned

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<v Speaker 3>for the twenty twenty college football season. Again, the face

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<v Speaker 3>coverings are mandatory for all fans and attendance. They're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be physical distancing while in the stadium. Tailgating is

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<v Speaker 3>not going to be allowed. And oh, the traditional skull

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<v Speaker 3>session the pregame festivities at Saint John's Arena will not

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<v Speaker 3>be held. Also, concessions inside Ohio Stadium will be limited

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<v Speaker 3>as well danced. So again, no big surprises there. But

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<v Speaker 3>I think first I've se Geene Smith was running weird

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<v Speaker 3>like algorithms and models two months ago trying to figure

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<v Speaker 3>this thing out. Now I don't I think he tried

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<v Speaker 3>to aim higher than twenty percent when he was he

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<v Speaker 3>was looking inside the matrix or whatever he was doing.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, still it feels wishful thinking, he to me.

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<v Speaker 3>But if they can figure out a way to get

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<v Speaker 3>twenty percent in the stadium. Again, it holds like one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred thousand, so you know there'd be room in there

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<v Speaker 3>to physically distance I suppose, but didn't get anywhere close

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<v Speaker 3>to that twenty percent number. I guess that would be

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty big win for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Ti'd you go on your first date with solid wife

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<v Speaker 2>Kate to Mexico to a beautiful resort? Did you go

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<v Speaker 2>to Bali?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean we went to Red Robin.

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<v Speaker 2>Does he want to read Robin?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm a big believer in taking things incrementally. Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>is in an okay place, not great, not amazing as

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<v Speaker 2>a state, and this changes by the day. They do

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<v Speaker 2>have a mandatory mass order, which is good. But to me,

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<v Speaker 2>let's let's start with no fans, see how everything's going,

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe up it a little bit from there, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>heavy fan petting if you will tie and see how

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<v Speaker 2>like we don't we don't need to jump into the

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<v Speaker 2>deep end. I understand that that fans and the revenue

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<v Speaker 2>that fans can bring in, but just we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty one thousand person gathering plus everybody there to

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<v Speaker 2>actually play in and support the football game. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's a lot of people gathering tie, it's still a

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<v Speaker 2>big number of people gathering. I think it should be

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<v Speaker 2>handled more incrementally.

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<v Speaker 1>That's me.

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<v Speaker 3>How do you feel about these cardboard cutout fans that

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<v Speaker 3>we got going on at baseball games?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I don't watch a ton of baseball. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>fine with it. It looks a little bit goofy, but

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty is just goofy in general.

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<v Speaker 3>So like, you could pay forty dollars to get a

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<v Speaker 3>Nick Cage cardboard cutout, which is so worth the money.

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<v Speaker 3>But my question, the reason I ask, is because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>as a business entity, now teaming entity that we are,

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<v Speaker 3>do we have budget to buy some select cardboard cutouts

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<v Speaker 3>in the event that say, you know, Texas goes fanless

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<v Speaker 3>and you could pay forty bucks to get soliverbal themed

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<v Speaker 3>cardboard cutout?

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<v Speaker 4>What what thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Of what's the school the smallest school and what I

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<v Speaker 2>would assume to be the least expensive to mass order

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<v Speaker 2>tie and Dan cutouts? So is it a sun Belt team?

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<v Speaker 2>Are we going to settle for being over the over

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<v Speaker 2>the top a streaming service stadium purchase or what's the

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<v Speaker 2>least expensive? So are we buying Kansas? Are we buying Rutgers.

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<v Speaker 2>Rutgers not in good shape right now. No, what would

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<v Speaker 2>be the best investment in terms of getting on TV

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<v Speaker 2>and seeing a stadium full of Dan's and ties.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a great question.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe Mama h'sm I think I would be okay when.

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<v Speaker 4>H might not want that, But we can have her

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<v Speaker 4>in the upper.

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<v Speaker 2>Deck next to the girl sewing at Kansas.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, let's think about that one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a let's see, Cal's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 4>Cal. What's the smallest Power five state?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, who's going to be on the PAC twelve network

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<v Speaker 2>the most? That might be the cheapest buy?

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<v Speaker 4>Colorado, Colorado could be interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Carl Durrell, Colorado could get us. We could have

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five hundred Dans and ties total.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I would love that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm for it for like three hundred and fifty bucks.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe that'd be awesome, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>I Miami has named Deeric King the starting quarterback. You'll

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<v Speaker 3>know him from his time at Houston, where he started

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<v Speaker 3>twenty two games, had eighty two total touchdowns, forty two

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<v Speaker 3>hundred almost forty three hundred passing guards, fourteen hundred plus

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<v Speaker 3>rushing guards. You may recall he went with a red

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<v Speaker 3>shirt last season and transferred to Miami in January. Only

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<v Speaker 3>had four practices, ok this spring with Miami before the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 3>but many days has seen enough. He's ready to name

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<v Speaker 3>your King his starting quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>Well as your starting quarterback left and the other starting

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<v Speaker 2>quarterbacks are not crazy interesting. So just dear King has

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<v Speaker 2>been good in college football, so makes sense. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>while you were talking about that is what is the

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<v Speaker 2>rudest possible purchase we could make in terms of cardboard cutout?

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<v Speaker 2>Could we get could we buy ten Greg Chiano's and

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<v Speaker 2>put him in the stands at Tennessee?

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<v Speaker 4>No baby?

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<v Speaker 2>Could we get a Rick Neuheisel Jim moora collection in

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<v Speaker 2>the corner of the rose ball at UCLA?

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<v Speaker 3>This is such a Pandora's box here that we're.

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<v Speaker 1>OK right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just what is the most subtle evil? And I

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<v Speaker 2>want everybody to let us know, Twitter, solidverbal, Reddit, whateverver

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<v Speaker 2>you need to soliverble at gmail dot com. What is

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<v Speaker 2>the most subtle evil that you think we could get

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<v Speaker 2>through the gatekeepers in terms of a cardboard cutout at

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<v Speaker 2>a game like Mike Price at Bryan Denny.

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<v Speaker 4>I was gonna say, Mike Price is so good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so, but that might be cost prohibitive, now I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean just one though, just for somebody to notice

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<v Speaker 2>and post on it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like a where is waldough?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>What can we get through secretly? Because there are a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of a lot of heads, a lot of faces

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<v Speaker 2>that would not be appreciated in certain stadiums.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, oh man, who is a guy who killed the trees?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>At Alabama? Or yeah, at Auburn specifically hy updyke? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we could get some updykes at Auburn.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Just put him in, like, just in a suit and

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<v Speaker 2>he's not obviously wearing the furry elephant Alabama hat. Put

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<v Speaker 2>him in a you know, photoshop him into a respectable

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<v Speaker 2>looking suit so he looks sort of like a cleaned

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<v Speaker 2>up Nick Nolty, and just get him at Jordan her

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Ty.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to think of the most evil but not

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<v Speaker 2>not rooted in anything seriously anti human, but just where

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<v Speaker 2>there's weird bad blood. I would love that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying this is a full podcast episode, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's at least.

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<v Speaker 2>An extended write it down, put a post it on

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<v Speaker 2>your laptop.

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<v Speaker 4>Please, all right?

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<v Speaker 3>Elsewhere as we make this turn into the weird uncertainty

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<v Speaker 3>before us Iowa State has replaced Iowa with Ball State

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<v Speaker 3>on their schedule. The Big Twelve is trying to play

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<v Speaker 3>twelve games in twenty twenty. Now from the Iowa State standpoint,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they're just trying to get games in, trying

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<v Speaker 3>to fit games in. It made sense for them, it

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<v Speaker 3>made sense for Ball State. Ball State is currently down

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<v Speaker 3>three games, not just Michigan and Indiana, but also the

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<v Speaker 3>main Black Bears, which we're all looking forward to. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>a very interesting state of affairs right now around the

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<v Speaker 3>world of college football. So the Big Ten came out

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<v Speaker 3>first and made their announcement about conference only games. The

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<v Speaker 3>PAC twelve was very soon there to follow. That left

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<v Speaker 3>the SEC, the ACC, and the Big Twelve in something

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<v Speaker 3>of a limbo state. Now we had talked about, I

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<v Speaker 3>think on our last episode, how next two to three

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<v Speaker 3>weeks in the world of college football, we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>be pretty pretty informative about where we're headed as a

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<v Speaker 3>season in calendar year twenty twenty. It sounds as if

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<v Speaker 3>a decision could come as soon as Wednesday. On the

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<v Speaker 3>ACC front, officials are meeting there. They're going to discuss

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<v Speaker 3>their final decisions, a model, and a start date for

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<v Speaker 3>what their twenty twenty season might look like. The SEC

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<v Speaker 3>has been very tight lipped at this point, though their commissioner,

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<v Speaker 3>Greg Sankie's been pretty I think, pretty strong in just

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<v Speaker 3>support of player safety and trying to do things responsibly.

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<v Speaker 3>The Big Twelve is almost on the far other end

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<v Speaker 3>of the spectrum. Bob's like, Yo, we're doing this, man,

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<v Speaker 3>we are doing this thing. I saw some commentary from

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<v Speaker 3>the Texas Tech president saying that other Big twelve schools

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<v Speaker 3>generally want to play a full twelve game slate. Bob

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<v Speaker 3>Bowlsby's on the record as part of a separate interview

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<v Speaker 3>talking about how he doesn't necessarily think all Power five

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<v Speaker 3>conferences need to do the same thing. He's fine with

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<v Speaker 3>it being asymmetrical. So, you know, there is no czar

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<v Speaker 3>in college football. We know that Mark Emmertt maybe is

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<v Speaker 3>somewhat of a figurehead here, but there's no true governing

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<v Speaker 3>body that's just going to tell them all what they

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<v Speaker 3>have to do it. It's much more nuanced and complicated

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<v Speaker 3>than that. So when we talk about how the scheduling

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<v Speaker 3>works and the domino effect of a conference like the

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<v Speaker 3>Big Ten announcing conference only, and where does that leave

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<v Speaker 3>other conferences. There's just it's very muddled. We're going to

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<v Speaker 3>get into that with our interview today with Richard Johnson.

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<v Speaker 3>We are it's it's a good conversation, but it's just

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<v Speaker 3>so complex and painted in fifty shades of gray. Here,

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<v Speaker 3>not the fifty shades of gray, but many shades of

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<v Speaker 3>band on that thought. Please, no, no, no, please, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, Are you chained into it? No, I'm about

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<v Speaker 2>as chained into this as possible. It's just it's very weird.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very nuanced, and honestly, it changes from second to second.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll offer you this. At least, it seems the Big

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<v Speaker 2>twelve is going with an aggressive plan, whereas it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't necessarily respect it, but I can appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that the Big Twelve is like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>our goal, this is what we want to do. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going down swinging. I don't know, I definitely don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it's the right plan, but from other conferences we're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing sort of this dipping the toes and we're doing this. No,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not doing this. On a certain level, I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>the aggression of saying we're living in die and by

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<v Speaker 2>the three and we'll see what happens TI. But now

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<v Speaker 2>there is something almost in an evil way, admirable about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we'll see. I mean, I think a lot is

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<v Speaker 3>to come. We will talk with Richard about what's going

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<v Speaker 3>on in Major League Baseball. Part of what college football

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<v Speaker 3>has said just generally is they want to learn as

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<v Speaker 3>much as they can from some of the pro sports leagues.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think we're seeing a very interesting case study

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<v Speaker 3>right now. I hate to call it that because it's

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<v Speaker 3>a health concern, but what's going on with the Miami

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<v Speaker 3>Marlins is is definitely front and center and something that

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<v Speaker 3>I know the powers that be are paying attention to

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<v Speaker 3>around college.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 3>So we'll see any other news that jumped out at

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<v Speaker 3>you this week, Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>No I have now tweeted out the question of what

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<v Speaker 2>would be the most hilariously evil cardboard cutout purchase for

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<v Speaker 2>an empty college football stadium, and we will collect them

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<v Speaker 2>after our interview with Richard and who is the best

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<v Speaker 2>absolute purchase?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, that's your news for this show July the

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<v Speaker 3>twenty ninth. Shall we dive into our interview?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it?

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<v Speaker 3>Who is our esteemed interview subject, mister Rubinstein.

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<v Speaker 2>A dear dear friend of the show, Richard Johnson, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the co authors of The Sinful Seven, a new

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<v Speaker 2>book coming out that I'm not fully sure what it is,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm excited to hear what he has in the

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<v Speaker 2>way of an explanation about a sci fi western that

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<v Speaker 2>has to do with college football and the NCAA. But

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<v Speaker 2>you've listened to him on PAPN most recently you read

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<v Speaker 2>him at Banner Society and Espianation. I've watched Saturday games

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<v Speaker 2>with him pretty much every week for the last few years. So,

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<v Speaker 2>dear dear friend of the show, Richard Johnson.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Dan joining us now, long time friend of

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<v Speaker 3>the verbal. It has been far too long, mister Richard Johnson, Sir,

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<v Speaker 3>welcome back to the show. How you doing, man?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is good to be back the WAW are still fine?

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<v Speaker 1>I miss you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I miss you do What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>Man?

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<v Speaker 2>What's up?

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<v Speaker 1>Man? I am in I'm in parts unknown. I have

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<v Speaker 1>socially distanced from Brooklyn, New York for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I am I'm taking a load off. I'm enjoying some

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<v Speaker 1>cool summer nights. It's it's as good as it can

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<v Speaker 1>be given the circumstances of what's going on in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're not going to divulge where your location is,

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<v Speaker 3>parts unknown, but you may have the opportunity to practice

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<v Speaker 3>survival skills.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, you know it's it's you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>can make a fire in under three minutes. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>sleep out under the stars. You know, if a bear

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<v Speaker 1>comes after me, I know how to disarm it and

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<v Speaker 1>take it on.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, now, I saw on bear grills.

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<v Speaker 3>If you just yell yo bear like every thirty seconds

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<v Speaker 3>or so, that'll apparently keep him away.

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<v Speaker 4>It scares him away.

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<v Speaker 1>Taught him, taught him everything he knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, old old nature boy Richard Johnson. Okay, let's start

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<v Speaker 2>here because I think we are recording this. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how many hours. I can't do math, but mere

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<v Speaker 2>dozens of hours before a book you've been working on

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<v Speaker 2>with Alex kirshn or Jason Kirk and Spencer Hall called

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<v Speaker 2>The Sinful Seven.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jason Whiting cannot forget on.

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Whiting, excuse me? And Tyson Whiting, who is the

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<v Speaker 2>chief artiste and artistic director and all around just a

0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:28.480
<v Speaker 2>really talented artist had worked with Vox and Espionation for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time. What is the book? How did it

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<v Speaker 2>come together? Where can people find it? And it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like a Western but it's actually a college football book.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me everything I need to know, because I've purchased

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<v Speaker 2>the book and I can't wait to dive in.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, Sinful. The book is sinful, seven sci

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<v Speaker 1>fi Western Legends of the NCAA. It drops August first

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<v Speaker 1>at noon. I am really really excited for people to

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<v Speaker 1>read it. Man. I mean, it's been the last three

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<v Speaker 1>months of your life. Look, I would I would not

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<v Speaker 1>suggest anybody who is creative listening to this podcast to

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<v Speaker 1>write a book in the span of eleven or twelve weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>You won't sleep much. It'll be pretty tough. And I

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<v Speaker 1>would definitely not suggest that you write a book during

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<v Speaker 1>a global pandemic and you know, broader civic unrest, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you want to call it. But it's funny. We all

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<v Speaker 1>the five of us got furloughed from Vox at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of May, and it's funny. Jason Kirk, who was

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<v Speaker 1>my college football editor at Spanation Banner Society and is

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<v Speaker 1>now my co author on this book, basically like asked

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<v Speaker 1>all of us if we wanted to do this, and

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<v Speaker 1>Spencer Hall, being the incredible creative mind that he is,

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<v Speaker 1>we all got on a zoom call one day and

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<v Speaker 1>he like laid out the idea for a college football

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<v Speaker 1>western And it was one of those things where Jason

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<v Speaker 1>kind of floated it and I didn't even I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even know what it was going to be, even know

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<v Speaker 1>what it could be. It was one of those things

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<v Speaker 1>where it was like, yeah, you know, that'll be a

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<v Speaker 1>good use of my time over the next three months

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<v Speaker 1>or so, I thought. And and it's one of those

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<v Speaker 1>things where you just start rolling and you know, Dan

0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:17.280
<v Speaker 1>and Ty, both of you guys, you guys have worked

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<v Speaker 1>with kind of this crew. You guys know our creative juices.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys know how we kind of work. I have

0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:26.240
<v Speaker 1>trusted these guys that I've worked with for the last

0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:30.800
<v Speaker 1>three or four years, implicitly ever creatively with my creative development.

0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:34.240
<v Speaker 1>I think they are the brightest, whip, smartest college football

0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:39.440
<v Speaker 1>writers in the industry. And and so there it's not

0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:41.240
<v Speaker 1>like five people were getting together to do this that

0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:43.720
<v Speaker 1>didn't know each other or you know that we were

0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:46.720
<v Speaker 1>mercenary freelance writers you know, we know how each other work,

0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:49.960
<v Speaker 1>and and you know, it's one of those things where

0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:53.520
<v Speaker 1>during edits, you know, I had to rewrite like one

0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:56.159
<v Speaker 1>of my whole chapters. And you know, if it was

0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:59.240
<v Speaker 1>a different team, like maybe I'd have some inhibitions, maybe

0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:02.360
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't trust uh the editor that I'm working with.

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<v Speaker 1>But now, like Jason asked me to do something, and

0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:06.840
<v Speaker 1>like I know, at the end of the day, without

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:08.600
<v Speaker 1>a shadow of a doubt, if Jason's asking me to

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:12.359
<v Speaker 1>change something, it's gonna make it better. And and that's

0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 1>just how the attitude you have to go with. And

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<v Speaker 1>I mean honestly, like there's there's some ignorance of like

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<v Speaker 1>the process. I think that you kind of almost have

0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:25.360
<v Speaker 1>to have to do something this dumb. And by dumb,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean writing a book in eleven weeks. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's like as a writer, you're always like hell, yeah,

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:33.359
<v Speaker 1>like you know, I'd love to write a book. Write

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:35.760
<v Speaker 1>a book's just a long article, and then you write

0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:39.000
<v Speaker 1>it and you're like this is hell. So it's one

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:43.119
<v Speaker 1>of those things where you just I just we all

0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:47.000
<v Speaker 1>just put our heads down and just wrote and plowed

0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:50.360
<v Speaker 1>through it. And and Tyson like the four of us

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:56.200
<v Speaker 1>are just dumb writers. Tyson Whiting is an absolutely brilliant artist.

0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:59.119
<v Speaker 1>He's coding the book so it'll look sexy on your

0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 1>kindle and your iPad and maybe even a PDF if

0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:04.919
<v Speaker 1>that's how you want to do it. He is is

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:08.960
<v Speaker 1>a brilliant creative mind in his own right, and it

0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:12.560
<v Speaker 1>just is one of those projects that like it just fit.

0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.960
<v Speaker 1>It just fits, and it's really really good. I actually

0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:19.520
<v Speaker 1>read it cover to cover in its kind of final

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:23.240
<v Speaker 1>version for the first time over the weekend. And when

0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 1>I've read all the chapters kind of individually, but when

0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 1>you read it kind of as a collective work in

0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 1>one or two sittings, you know, you view it a

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:35.159
<v Speaker 1>little bit differently. And I got done with it and

0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:38.159
<v Speaker 1>I literally was like, it's not just because I'm working

0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 1>on this that I say this, Like the book is

0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 1>good and I cannot wait for people to read it.

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:48.520
<v Speaker 1>And you can go pick it up. Sinfulseven dot Com

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0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:54.679
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<v Speaker 1>to Feeding America, So you're helping some people in need

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<v Speaker 1>as well as helping some on college football minds.

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<v Speaker 3>So when when you say sci fi or Western legends

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:08.800
<v Speaker 3>of the NC double A, what what does that mean

0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 3>is that Brian Bosworth, of these fictional characters.

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.359
<v Speaker 2>What do we say, is there a narrative how to row?

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:18.440
<v Speaker 3>How does college football fit into sci fi Western legendary?

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 1>So we basically like take the So also, the rhythm

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 1>of the book is half fiction half nonfiction. So for

0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:28.879
<v Speaker 1>most of the book it alternates between a fiction chapter

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:32.680
<v Speaker 1>and a nonfiction chapter. If you've read the the excerpt

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 1>that Spencer Hall wrote that went on four to wind

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 1>dot com last week, you'll read a fiction part. By

0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 1>the time your people are listening to this, you can

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:45.800
<v Speaker 1>go and read one of my exerted chapters on hazlit

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:50.119
<v Speaker 1>dot net and that is a non fiction chapter, and

0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:54.360
<v Speaker 1>so you'll get it is it is a truly unique

0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:58.439
<v Speaker 1>project because of that. And so basically we are telling

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:04.399
<v Speaker 1>and creating a fictional world with and populating that world

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 1>with characters, stories locales from real college football stories that

0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:15.080
<v Speaker 1>span from basically the beginning of college sports right around

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen nineties. And it's there are there are things

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 1>that are on the cutting room floor that we couldn't

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:25.720
<v Speaker 1>even put in. I mean, like you guys know that

0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:30.119
<v Speaker 1>the sport is so rich with characters that are one

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:34.159
<v Speaker 1>hundred percent real people that if you took to a

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:37.639
<v Speaker 1>Hollywood screenwriter and said this is you know, this is

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>an idea for a fleshed out character, they would say, no,

0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:42.640
<v Speaker 1>this is too fanciful. I mean the sports and saying

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:43.880
<v Speaker 1>we know it, that's why we love it.

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 2>You mean like a coach coaching from a hospital bed.

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like it's it's just there are things like that

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 1>that you just you just say, you just sit down

0:28:56.880 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 1>and you say, like, this cannot be real life. People

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 1>cannot be actual people. And yet some of them coaching

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 1>and administrators, like they get entrusted with eighteen to twenty

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:09.880
<v Speaker 1>two year old at a time, you know, one hundred

0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 1>of them at a time, Like it boggles the mind truly.

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:16.960
<v Speaker 1>But you know, the game is so rich with stories,

0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 1>and we take and we tweak and we adapt and

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 1>we try to fit in to this fictional universe what

0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 1>we can. But there are references goal more to college

0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 1>football in here, both in a sci fi realm and

0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 1>a western realm. I mean, somebody is going to be

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:38.720
<v Speaker 1>silly enough to try to do a wiki on this book,

0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:43.280
<v Speaker 1>and I feel for that person because that person who's

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:44.560
<v Speaker 1>going to have some work to do.

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 3>It feels to me a little bit like Truman Show,

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:51.200
<v Speaker 3>where you've built your own like fictional bubble, You've pulled

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 3>in elements from the outside world to construct that new reality.

0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:58.000
<v Speaker 3>How are you treating the postseason? Can we just ask,

0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:01.400
<v Speaker 3>because Dan and I were always at odds with you know,

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 3>the bowl season or the playoffs?

0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Is that a character?

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:04.959
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 3>Like, how how is that a topic that has broached

0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:11.360
<v Speaker 3>in your in your so called Western bubble here?

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I will say that it is more than broch,

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 1>that is uh. I can I can say that. I

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 1>can say that it is more than broach the postseason

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:24.560
<v Speaker 1>of both college football and college basketball, might I add? Okay,

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 1>so it's it's in there. Trust me, You're you're gonna

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna get your fill of college sports postseason. I

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 1>will say that I'll keep it cryptic.

0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 3>But if it's if it's cryptic and western, you're gonna

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 3>do something cool like a duel that would be way

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 3>cooler if we had it in real life, and you know,

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 3>far more ghastly, but at the same time definitely fits

0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:46.600
<v Speaker 3>with the motif here of Western legends.

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<v Speaker 1>I I you know, I will neither confirm or deny.

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I know I will neither.

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Confirm or deny that Notre Dame has a prominent role

0:30:57.640 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 1>in this book.

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Wow Wow ham McDaniel supporting character, Tie supporting character not

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 2>often used running back whose helmet sometimes fell off. Okay,

0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do a professional segue here unless there's

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 2>anything we need to add further, and we'll talk about

0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Speaker 2>it at the end of this whole thing. But speaking

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 2>of science fiction and the wild Wild Wests, Richard, we've

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 2>got a possible twenty twenty college football season. I haven't

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:27.040
<v Speaker 2>seen you in months, and that's far too long, so

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 2>I haven't been able to get your extensive thoughts on things.

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 2>But one of the things Ty and I were recently

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 2>talking about is the fact that we are so hyper

0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:39.760
<v Speaker 2>focused on a very binary question of will they won't

0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:43.560
<v Speaker 2>they and slash how that we don't think about all

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 2>of the potential ramifications of the different scenarios. We've talked

0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:50.960
<v Speaker 2>about different schedule ramifications, but just more on a human level,

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 2>whether it's players or coaches, or scheduling or TV or

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 2>the sport itself. Do you have any big thoughts things

0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 2>that have just sort of crawled into the back of

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 2>your brain and when you're not writing the book about

0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:06.960
<v Speaker 2>what people perhaps aren't thinking about considering the circumstances of

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 2>what the twenty twenty college football season might look like.

0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 1>I think the like on the top, like people ask me,

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 1>like do you know, and I'm like no, and I

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:23.239
<v Speaker 1>don't know because the people I talk to don't know.

0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:27.719
<v Speaker 1>Nobody knows, and like there are some things that you

0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 1>can speak to with like relative certainty and confidence. But

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:36.280
<v Speaker 1>when I tell you, guys, this is the blind leading

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 1>the blind. And I'm talking all the way up to

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 1>like school presidents, conference commissioners, all that kind of stuff.

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we talked to people in the industry, coaches, agents, whatever,

0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 1>like everybody's like, what the hell is going on? Like

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 1>nobody knows what's going on? Like I there. I if

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 1>you've seen the college football Reddit matrix that shows like

0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>what conferences in leagues are playing and what and which

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:05.239
<v Speaker 1>ones aren't and like who's canceled? Like I actually had

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 1>a coach dm me on Twitter yesterday. Uh he dm

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 1>me that picture and it literally says, and I quote,

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:15.480
<v Speaker 1>what the f are we doing here? Like nobody knows

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 1>what's going on. And that is the thing that I

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>before I tell anybody, you know, my opinions on things,

0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 1>I have to preface that, like, it could change in

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 1>a week. And there's so many things in this world

0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>right now that you can say that about, but college

0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 1>football is what we're talking about, So yeah, it can

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:35.320
<v Speaker 1>change in a week. You know. The one thing that

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:38.720
<v Speaker 1>I think I can talk about with some pretty a

0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 1>pretty big amount of certainty is that the spring thing

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>is probably a non starter at least for the Power

0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:50.480
<v Speaker 1>five leagues. And it's because, honestly, it's because of the NFL.

0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Like the NFL is not. I don't know if the

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 1>NFL is going to finish its season, but I will

0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 1>say I'm pretty sure they're going to try to kick

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 1>it off labor the weekend. And because of that, I

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 1>don't think the NFL is going to push I don't

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:06.920
<v Speaker 1>think the NFL is going to try to push the

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:08.759
<v Speaker 1>combine back. I don't think the NFL is going to

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:11.919
<v Speaker 1>push the draft back. And so what you may run

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:15.959
<v Speaker 1>into is Trevor Lawrence Justin Fields, if you were playing

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:18.840
<v Speaker 1>in the spring, for instance, Trevor Lawrence Justice Fields getting

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 1>paid a lot by an agency to sit out and

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 1>in the agency gets the money on the back end

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 1>when they get drafted and get their signing bonus or

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 1>something like that of that nature. If I'm Trevor or

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 1>justin God bless Clinton in Ohio State. But I got

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:33.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of money riding on me not tearing an

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:37.920
<v Speaker 1>ACL February fifth and potentially jeopardizing my twenty twenty one

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:40.840
<v Speaker 1>regular season in the NFL. So that I think is

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:44.240
<v Speaker 1>the big thing with Spring. I don't personally view Spring.

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:47.560
<v Speaker 1>I personally view Spring as something of a non starter,

0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:49.360
<v Speaker 1>at least for the Power five League.

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 2>So that's go ahead.

0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:52.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead.

0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, I would say I do. I would say to

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the Power five I'm like, look, the Power five leagues,

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>the Commission need to get together like the PSI families

0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 1>in the in the Godfather movies, right, get together and

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 1>just say, look, this is how we're gonna do testing.

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:10.480
<v Speaker 1>This is how we're gonna do this is how we're

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:13.319
<v Speaker 1>gonna do that. The NC double A has already said,

0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:17.719
<v Speaker 1>is on record saying basically, it's y'all's problem. The NC

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:20.840
<v Speaker 1>double A is not gonna put a foot down and

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:23.399
<v Speaker 1>regulate this and all this kind of stuff. And that's

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 1>because the NC double A is what the NC double

0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 1>A is. And by the way, you can read about

0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 1>the NC double a's formation in the Central seven SI

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 1>by Western Legends of the NC double A dropping August

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:38.680
<v Speaker 1>first at noon Central seven dot com. Like, uh, it's

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 1>just one of those things where it's like the NCAA

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 1>is not going to force a hand here, so it's

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:45.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna be up to the leagues. And it's it's so

0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 1>piecemeal like Michigan State all the entire team's court quarantining,

0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:55.399
<v Speaker 1>h Rutgers the entire teams court quarantining. But then maybe

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:58.239
<v Speaker 1>another team has a few cases and the whole team

0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:01.600
<v Speaker 1>doesn't quarantine, but you quarantine a position group or something

0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:05.799
<v Speaker 1>like that. Like it's it's it's like whack a mole man.

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:09.200
<v Speaker 1>It's like, Okay, here's one problem, We've saved that. Okay,

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 1>here's another one. It's okay, we're gonna have twenty percent

0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:14.920
<v Speaker 1>fans in the stands. Well that means well, we're not

0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:19.319
<v Speaker 1>gonna have tailgating. So who's gonna come. It's not gonna

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 1>be students, right, Like is it gonna be kids' parents? Like,

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 1>is it gonna be boosters? Is it you go on

0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 1>and on and on, and you spiral, and that's just

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 1>me talking as some dummy who's not a conference commissioner.

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I can only imagine the levers and what is going

0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 1>on in some of these conference offices. Man, it's crazy.

0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 2>So let me play Devil's advocate.

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:41.480
<v Speaker 3>We talk about the NFL, and we don't know if

0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:43.920
<v Speaker 3>they're going to finish the season given current events.

0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:45.319
<v Speaker 4>We don't know if the Marlins are going to finish

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:45.719
<v Speaker 4>the week.

0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So yeah, to your point, there's a lot going on.

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:52.839
<v Speaker 3>But I think you're right about the spring thing to

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:57.360
<v Speaker 3>the extent that if the goal is to win a championship,

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 3>then losing Trevor aren't losing justin fields. Losing some of

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:07.320
<v Speaker 3>these elite caliber players is certainly a consideration and a problem.

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:11.840
<v Speaker 3>I question whether or not that's the goal here, right, because.

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:13.880
<v Speaker 2>That's what I've been saying all along, Ty.

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:17.279
<v Speaker 3>You know, and Dan, sure, let's harken back to your

0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 3>age old point here. If that's the goal, then fine.

0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:23.319
<v Speaker 3>But if the goal, as I understand it, is to

0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 3>just play as many games as possible to earn as

0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 3>many bucks as possible so that schools and programs don't

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 3>go under wouldn't the cost of you know, playing three

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 3>games in the fall and then having to suspend the

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:39.640
<v Speaker 3>whole damn thing be far greater than saying, you know what,

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:42.320
<v Speaker 3>this isn't going to work. There isn't going to be

0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:45.480
<v Speaker 3>a championship, at least in its normal sense. Anyway, why

0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 3>don't we just push it off to the spring. The

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:50.000
<v Speaker 3>cost of doing business in this sense will be that

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 3>we lose some of our elite players, but at least

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:54.239
<v Speaker 3>maybe we know we can get ten games in.

0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Well. The problem is the other problem with spring is

0:37:58.000 --> 0:38:02.760
<v Speaker 1>that you with a lot of these programs, you run

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:06.640
<v Speaker 1>into other sports. So I went to the University of Florida, right,

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:10.439
<v Speaker 1>a very big, very robust athletic department, and a lot

0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:13.560
<v Speaker 1>of the I'm not even talking about I'm talking about

0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:16.799
<v Speaker 1>like sids and stuff like that. A lot of the

0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 1>uh it's football is kind of like all hands on

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:23.719
<v Speaker 1>deck for the athletic departments because in the fall at

0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:26.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of these places, they're only it's only really

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:30.960
<v Speaker 1>like football, volleyball, maybe soccer, and then in the winter

0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 1>obviously basketball starts, and then like wrestling and stuff. But

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:37.120
<v Speaker 1>for the most part there's not to be sports but

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:41.280
<v Speaker 1>when you get to the spring, there's so many sports

0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 1>that are going on. It's one of those things where

0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:47.319
<v Speaker 1>you may end up just running everything together and you

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:51.239
<v Speaker 1>may overly tax these athletic departments who don't have the

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:56.279
<v Speaker 1>resources for everybody to do, you know, six games on

0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:59.920
<v Speaker 1>a Saturday, one of which being football. And you know

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:02.239
<v Speaker 1>this is obviously like a minor thing because maybe we

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:04.920
<v Speaker 1>won't have fans in a potential spring twenty twenty one,

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:08.239
<v Speaker 1>but like, how do you get a campus mobilized to

0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:12.240
<v Speaker 1>hold those events now if there's not fans? Again, different story.

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 1>But those are just some of the contingencies that are

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:17.400
<v Speaker 1>the collateral damage maybe that you may think of about

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:20.239
<v Speaker 1>moving the games to the spring. You know, I think

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the I hesitate to say the word easy, but you know,

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 1>conference only schedules maybe eight games, because that gives you

0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:37.160
<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to cancel a week, sit out a week

0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:39.440
<v Speaker 1>if you've got a lot of positive tests or whatever.

0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:42.680
<v Speaker 1>And I know that I you know, I don't want

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:44.600
<v Speaker 1>to sit here and sound like I'm playing around with

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:48.239
<v Speaker 1>a very serious public health matter right now. But if

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 1>we want to be pragmatic, machiavellian, whatever, at some point,

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:55.959
<v Speaker 1>somebody's going to say the quiet part out loud here,

0:39:56.320 --> 0:40:00.279
<v Speaker 1>which is that we've just got to play football to

0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:05.759
<v Speaker 1>undergird the economics of college athletics because they are so

0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:10.719
<v Speaker 1>fundamentally warped now, you know, it just it just is

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 1>what it is. Yeah.

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 3>The other thing that I wonder, and I mentioned this

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 3>to Dan, you know, now there's news coming out and

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how how significant it is, how seriously

0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 3>I should take it. I think we're all in the

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:25.760
<v Speaker 3>same boat when it comes to things like vaccine development,

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:28.440
<v Speaker 3>right like we do a college football show. We'll leave

0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:30.319
<v Speaker 3>that to the experts. But if in fact we do

0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:33.120
<v Speaker 3>have some sort of vaccine developed by the end of

0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 3>the year, could that be something of a tipping point.

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:38.800
<v Speaker 3>Knowing that so much of this revenue on the college

0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:42.359
<v Speaker 3>end does come from putting fans in seats, might that

0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 3>give them some further clearance to say, you know what,

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:45.879
<v Speaker 3>maybe spring does make more sense.

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Depends on It just depends on, like a mass production schedule.

0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:51.200
<v Speaker 1>It depends on you know, there are already kind of

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:55.920
<v Speaker 1>early signs right now that trials are doing well in

0:40:56.000 --> 0:41:00.439
<v Speaker 1>the early stages right now with some of these vaccines today,

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 1>the text A and M I think is getting a

0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:06.920
<v Speaker 1>grant to help with production mass production or something like that. So, yeah,

0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:09.880
<v Speaker 1>the wheels are turning there. It definitely would, But you know,

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if the leagues are going to sit

0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:16.200
<v Speaker 1>here and say we can wait that long, because I

0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:20.319
<v Speaker 1>don't know if they can, you know, and the other like,

0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I think we think we kind of keep it on

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 1>the team level because you know, that's what that's what

0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:32.520
<v Speaker 1>pertains to us or whatever. But I don't think the

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:37.360
<v Speaker 1>problem or the I don't think the biggest red flag

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:42.400
<v Speaker 1>is these teams being amongst themselves. It's the fact that

0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:45.600
<v Speaker 1>college kids are going to go out to parties, They're

0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:47.399
<v Speaker 1>going to go out to bars, They're going to hang

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:49.000
<v Speaker 1>out with their friends, They're going to hang out with

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:52.480
<v Speaker 1>their significant others. That's where we talk about. That's where

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:57.240
<v Speaker 1>that's where real spread occurs, particularly in the Southern States

0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 1>where it's really popping off right now. But then the

0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:04.279
<v Speaker 1>other thing that may rear its ugly head is, well,

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:06.399
<v Speaker 1>what happens if where me and Dan, where me, Dan

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:08.080
<v Speaker 1>and Ty, where all three of us lives, what happens

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:12.000
<v Speaker 1>in the northeast? Does the second wave in October? You

0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:16.440
<v Speaker 1>know who knows? Man it's just I don't know. I

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:20.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know. You know. I love college football, you know,

0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:23.279
<v Speaker 1>we all do. We all rely on it for our

0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 1>for our livelihoods. But there is a lot up in

0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:31.080
<v Speaker 1>the air, and it changes every day, and it's it's

0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:33.239
<v Speaker 1>just who knows, man who knows.

0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:35.040
<v Speaker 2>One of the things I want to get back to

0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:37.319
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned something about like the five Families, the five

0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Power five conferences getting together and discussing things and figuring

0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:43.120
<v Speaker 2>out where they stand apart from the NC double A.

0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:47.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm wondering if we could see a situation and I've

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 2>only heard about this recently. Sometimes, and these are generally

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:53.719
<v Speaker 2>older people, they'll go in for a medical procedure, like

0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:56.960
<v Speaker 2>they'll get something work done on, like they'll get a

0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:59.879
<v Speaker 2>broken nose fixed, and they'll say, Hey, while you're in there,

0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 2>why not fix my eyes a little bit. Why not

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 2>give me a little bit of a facelift. Why not,

0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:07.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, give me some lepo, because I'm going to

0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:09.200
<v Speaker 2>be recovering anyway, and nobody's going to know the difference.

0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:10.959
<v Speaker 2>They're just going to say, wow, you look great after

0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:14.319
<v Speaker 2>all that time off. Could this be a situation if

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:16.319
<v Speaker 2>we have a shortened if we have a canceled if

0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:19.759
<v Speaker 2>we have an altered season in some way that the

0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 2>powers that be be it, you know, TV and conference

0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:26.920
<v Speaker 2>commissioners and everybody getting together saying, let's let's use this opportunity,

0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:31.279
<v Speaker 2>this time off for an almost restructuring to sort of

0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:35.480
<v Speaker 2>centralize power in a now national sport whereas you know,

0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:39.239
<v Speaker 2>we have all this separated and disparate power because it

0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:40.759
<v Speaker 2>used to be a regional sport. Now it's a lot

0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:43.400
<v Speaker 2>more nationalized because of TV. Could we see a situation

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 2>in which they use this recovery time to I guess,

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 2>become more efficient in terms of how the sport is structured.

0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I do wonder. I mean that now that appeals to

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:58.839
<v Speaker 1>the better angels of the nature of college administrators, and

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 1>that would that would take some of them seeding power

0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and we all know that adding going to happen, you know.

0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:08.239
<v Speaker 1>I One of the things that I was batting around

0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:10.880
<v Speaker 1>with somebody is do we think that this could be

0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 1>a thing where power five like out and out, really

0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:16.360
<v Speaker 1>breaks off. I mean, they already have so much autonomy

0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:19.239
<v Speaker 1>to set rules as they want given the NCAA rule book,

0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:21.160
<v Speaker 1>but it would this be a thing where they really

0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:23.759
<v Speaker 1>truly break off and just really say, you know, kick

0:44:23.840 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 1>rocks to the rest of college sports. I don't think

0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:31.200
<v Speaker 1>that's going to happen, primarily because leaving the nc double

0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:35.320
<v Speaker 1>A something, doing something that drastic would leave NCAA tournament

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:39.320
<v Speaker 1>TV money on the table, and obviously nobody's going to

0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:42.920
<v Speaker 1>do that. So I don't think it'll get that drastic.

0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:47.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it'll get that bad. The economic fallout,

0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:51.480
<v Speaker 1>as we know, is absolutely going to be felt by

0:44:51.680 --> 0:44:53.560
<v Speaker 1>the by the Group of five schools and by the

0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:57.320
<v Speaker 1>SCS schools, and you know, all the way down that's

0:44:57.719 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, it trickles down. The ship rolls down ill

0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:04.319
<v Speaker 1>as we know, and you know, I look at so

0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:07.879
<v Speaker 1>right the Big Ten cancels it, it's out of conference games,

0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:09.520
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people were a lot of people

0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:12.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of within college sports outside of the Big Ten

0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:16.320
<v Speaker 1>were kind of like, why'd you go so early? Why

0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:19.879
<v Speaker 1>didn't you hold out a few more weeks to kind

0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:21.960
<v Speaker 1>of say something. Obviously we've seen the PAC twelve has

0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:23.920
<v Speaker 1>also moved. But at the time when the Big Ten

0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:25.840
<v Speaker 1>made its call, I guess the weekend after the fourth

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:28.560
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people were like, why didn't you wait,

0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Why didn't you just hold you know, you could have

0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:33.480
<v Speaker 1>waited to make that announcement, and so you know, the

0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Big Ten says that. And so I take a school

0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:38.880
<v Speaker 1>like Bowling Green, Right, Bowling Green's got what two I

0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:42.920
<v Speaker 1>think Big Ten games on its schedule against Illinois and

0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Ohio State. And so I think about a school like

0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Bowling Green. Maybe that's two point five million dollars in

0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:52.279
<v Speaker 1>guarantee revenue that they were going to get from those

0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:56.120
<v Speaker 1>two games that is now no longer there. And you

0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:59.400
<v Speaker 1>know they I think Bowling Green's revenues last year was

0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:02.799
<v Speaker 1>something like tw're twenty five million dollars like that two

0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:06.719
<v Speaker 1>point five man, Like, that's something there. Man, that is

0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:11.239
<v Speaker 1>a decent chunk of money that if you're Bowling Green

0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:14.120
<v Speaker 1>you were counting on. So what do you do. Do

0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:17.239
<v Speaker 1>you sue Ohio State to try to claw back some

0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:20.200
<v Speaker 1>of that money? Well, you probably can't fight Ohio State

0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:22.759
<v Speaker 1>in court because they'll just sit on the ball. But

0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:26.160
<v Speaker 1>the other thing is that Ohio State spent eighty years

0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:29.799
<v Speaker 1>not playing anybody in Ohio and they've only recently come

0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:32.440
<v Speaker 1>around in the new millennium. And it's really good for

0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 1>everybody because it's a symbiotic relationship and bowling Green players

0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:39.000
<v Speaker 1>get and fans get to take a cool trip to

0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Columbus and they get to say they played in the

0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:43.319
<v Speaker 1>shoe and it's an in state thing and all that

0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:45.959
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. So maybe you don't want to piss

0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Ohio State off, so you're gonna have to settle for

0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:51.240
<v Speaker 1>less than the one point two one point five million

0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:54.319
<v Speaker 1>dollar guarantee, and so maybe you leave as much as

0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:58.479
<v Speaker 1>a million dollars on the table and Ohio State says

0:46:58.480 --> 0:47:01.239
<v Speaker 1>we'll play again in twenty twenty six or whatever in

0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:04.000
<v Speaker 1>a settlement like this is this is when I talk

0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:06.920
<v Speaker 1>about the shit rolling downhill, Like that's what I'm talking about.

0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of how this works. And there are going

0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:13.440
<v Speaker 1>to be hundreds hundreds of those type of decisions and

0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:16.600
<v Speaker 1>calculuses and all that kind of stuff. And I'm sure

0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:20.000
<v Speaker 1>some of these games have insurance clauses and active god

0:47:20.080 --> 0:47:22.640
<v Speaker 1>clauses and stuff like that for something like this, but

0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:26.360
<v Speaker 1>then other games won't. And so you know, we know

0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:29.640
<v Speaker 1>the bifurcated nature of this sport where you know, one

0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:33.280
<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty major college football teams are not playing

0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:35.680
<v Speaker 1>on the same playing field, and that doesn't even get

0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:41.040
<v Speaker 1>near SCS get near HBCUs, getting near D three, all

0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:41.720
<v Speaker 1>that stuff.

0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:45.560
<v Speaker 2>What I'm curious about is how much, maybe and especially

0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:47.360
<v Speaker 2>when as it relates to players, but I guess somewhat

0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:50.640
<v Speaker 2>with coaches and coaches families, how much you've thought about geography.

0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:54.720
<v Speaker 2>We've seen stories about you know, recruits potentially staying closer

0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:58.360
<v Speaker 2>to home, not necessarily because you know, they're scared of

0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:00.399
<v Speaker 2>travel or their families are scared of travel. Well, we're

0:48:00.440 --> 0:48:03.600
<v Speaker 2>also in pretty dark economic times. It's going to be

0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:07.360
<v Speaker 2>it is expensive to travel across the country, somewhat across

0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:10.759
<v Speaker 2>the country, pay for hotels, maybe a rental car meals.

0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:13.880
<v Speaker 2>That's an expense that has become even more difficult as

0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:16.759
<v Speaker 2>the economy has taken a pretty significant hit. What do

0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:20.240
<v Speaker 2>you think about and I just mentioned the word national

0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:22.720
<v Speaker 2>and nationalized, what do you think about the sport becoming

0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:28.520
<v Speaker 2>almost more regional because of the realities economically and public

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:30.440
<v Speaker 2>health wise of the current world.

0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wonder if this I almost wonder if it

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:39.640
<v Speaker 1>becomes a thing where the top upper cross the power five,

0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:43.480
<v Speaker 1>the upper thirty forty, where they actually end up maybe

0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:47.160
<v Speaker 1>playing each other even more in some of these out

0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:51.080
<v Speaker 1>of conference bonanza games, right like you know, Florida, for

0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:54.360
<v Speaker 1>my dear dear alma mater, for something like thirty years,

0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:57.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't play an out of state, out of conference game.

0:48:57.360 --> 0:48:59.279
<v Speaker 1>And then Jerry Jones said, hey, we'll give you six

0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:02.160
<v Speaker 1>million dollars played Michigan, And so Florida went and played

0:49:02.200 --> 0:49:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Michigan a couple of years ago. So I you know,

0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:06.680
<v Speaker 1>we know that those games have been happening more and

0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:09.080
<v Speaker 1>more in the last couple of years. I wonder if

0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:12.000
<v Speaker 1>that is something that we see an even more increase on.

0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:14.879
<v Speaker 1>But then you think about, yes, the collateral that you're

0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:17.879
<v Speaker 1>talking about, Uh, you know, can mom and dad fly

0:49:18.600 --> 0:49:24.400
<v Speaker 1>from California to watch Johnny offensive Lineman play in lambeau Field?

0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:27.520
<v Speaker 1>What you know? Can they do that? And so yeah,

0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:29.680
<v Speaker 1>that's where we talk about people getting left out of

0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:32.600
<v Speaker 1>mc coold. But then on a regional level, I do

0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:34.880
<v Speaker 1>wonder if it if it sort of forces kind of

0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:38.920
<v Speaker 1>that belt tightening, uh and and and things of that nature.

0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:41.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, if that's something where that starts to affect

0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:44.640
<v Speaker 1>the upper crust of Power five and the upper crust

0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:48.000
<v Speaker 1>of college football, maybe we sort to maybe we end

0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:51.919
<v Speaker 1>up going back to you know, Florida doesn't ever leave

0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:56.239
<v Speaker 1>the State or USC doesn't barnstorm and and I think,

0:49:56.320 --> 0:50:00.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, you you lose some of you know, Florida

0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:04.320
<v Speaker 1>State built it's its brand right on. We'll play anybody,

0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:07.799
<v Speaker 1>any place, anywhere, anytime when they were a when they

0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:12.120
<v Speaker 1>were an independent before the ACC. And we love these

0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:15.719
<v Speaker 1>intersectional games. And I do wonder if those end up

0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:19.120
<v Speaker 1>going on the chopping block because of just realities of

0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:21.840
<v Speaker 1>the situation. You know, I don't know how much the

0:50:21.920 --> 0:50:24.719
<v Speaker 1>NCBLA could potentially step in the kick in there. I

0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:28.759
<v Speaker 1>know the NCBLA pays parents ways for at least the

0:50:28.840 --> 0:50:31.760
<v Speaker 1>final four, if not all of them, and the NCAA

0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:35.279
<v Speaker 1>Men's basketball tournament. You know, I don't know if the

0:50:35.360 --> 0:50:38.120
<v Speaker 1>NCAA steps up more to do that with college basketball,

0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:40.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't know their jurisdiction and football to even do that.

0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:43.400
<v Speaker 1>That probably comes from the conferences. But then we go

0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:46.960
<v Speaker 1>back to if the conferences are losing television money, then

0:50:47.000 --> 0:50:50.480
<v Speaker 1>the conferences don't have that much money to potentially dole

0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:54.640
<v Speaker 1>out and give. So it's all this systemic symbiosis and

0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:57.000
<v Speaker 1>everything's intertwined and all this kind of stuff, and then

0:50:57.000 --> 0:51:01.600
<v Speaker 1>you inject a global pandemic and everything is up for grounds.

0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:05.279
<v Speaker 2>Richard. I know you're a youth. You are, you are young.

0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:08.839
<v Speaker 2>You are in tune more than Ty and I are

0:51:09.000 --> 0:51:11.319
<v Speaker 2>as washed as we are. You are you are much

0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:14.120
<v Speaker 2>better in tuned with people who are college aged, I

0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:17.120
<v Speaker 2>would say, because you just happen to be cooler and younger.

0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Does Instagram have the server room and capability to handle

0:51:22.520 --> 0:51:25.799
<v Speaker 2>the sheer number of dms that will be going on

0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:29.080
<v Speaker 2>because people are going out less and they need to

0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:32.400
<v Speaker 2>find someone on Friday or Saturday night on a college campus.

0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:36.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh it's I mean, the sliding has already begun. I

0:51:36.640 --> 0:51:41.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, I wonder I hope that tinder, bumble grinder, whatever.

0:51:42.200 --> 0:51:45.799
<v Speaker 1>I hope that those servers are ready for what is

0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:50.480
<v Speaker 1>going to go on when students return to college campuses.

0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:54.600
<v Speaker 1>And you know, we talk about community spread and all

0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:56.960
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff and where the virus actually spreads.

0:51:57.480 --> 0:52:00.720
<v Speaker 1>That is, uh, that's what we're talking about.

0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Also, social media snitching is going to be a thing.

0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:07.000
<v Speaker 2>We're going to start seeing. We're going to see Instagram

0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:10.480
<v Speaker 2>stories and there's going to be a player, an outside

0:52:10.520 --> 0:52:14.040
<v Speaker 2>linebacker at Minnesota, a corner from Texas A and M

0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:18.239
<v Speaker 2>that is supposedly trying to quarantine between games and all

0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:20.640
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, they're out at a house party, they're

0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:23.600
<v Speaker 2>out at a bar outside or something like that. The

0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:26.320
<v Speaker 2>first social media snitch situation. We've already had it with

0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:28.800
<v Speaker 2>the NBA and Lou Williams going for wings in Atlanta.

0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:32.040
<v Speaker 2>It's a certainty, right, It's an absolute one hundred lock

0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:32.560
<v Speaker 2>to happen.

0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:35.640
<v Speaker 1>You are going to find there are going to be

0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:41.840
<v Speaker 1>some truly asinine reasons why some player ends up contracting

0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:44.399
<v Speaker 1>the virus. I mean, I know, I'm not sure if

0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:48.160
<v Speaker 1>we know when the first Marlin caught it, but I

0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:51.879
<v Speaker 1>am waiting to find out that it is just the

0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:56.800
<v Speaker 1>dumbest reason why a Miami Marlins player risked his health

0:52:56.880 --> 0:52:59.359
<v Speaker 1>and the health of his family and or his teammates

0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:02.719
<v Speaker 1>to do whatever activity it is that he deemed necessary

0:53:02.719 --> 0:53:05.759
<v Speaker 1>to do in the epicenter of coronavirus in the United

0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:09.640
<v Speaker 1>States of America currently, which is Floria. So you know,

0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:13.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how there is no bounds to the

0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:21.360
<v Speaker 1>ingenuity of how coronavirus, unfortunately may spread amongst college football

0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:26.560
<v Speaker 1>players and college just college students football when students return

0:53:26.600 --> 0:53:27.120
<v Speaker 1>to campus.

0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:30.880
<v Speaker 3>You know what I struggle with in thinking about the season,

0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:38.359
<v Speaker 3>and obviously the complexities and the strange stories that will

0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:41.680
<v Speaker 3>no doubt be discussing here. This is a very serious

0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:44.520
<v Speaker 3>situation to public health crisis. As he said, Richard, we're

0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:47.560
<v Speaker 3>trying to trying to squash this virus as best we can.

0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:50.440
<v Speaker 3>We all have a rooting interest we want college football

0:53:50.480 --> 0:53:52.680
<v Speaker 3>to be played. But I think you're right to say

0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:55.360
<v Speaker 3>that there's gonna be some really like just asinine stories

0:53:55.360 --> 0:54:00.600
<v Speaker 3>that come up. I struggle with how much light I

0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:03.840
<v Speaker 3>am allowed to make of some of these stories, you know,

0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:06.160
<v Speaker 3>because on one hand, on one hand, it's like, this

0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:08.120
<v Speaker 3>is a serious thing, you don't want people to get sick.

0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:10.960
<v Speaker 3>On the other that that's so much of what we've

0:54:11.000 --> 0:54:14.640
<v Speaker 3>done over the last decade here on the show. I'm

0:54:14.640 --> 0:54:17.920
<v Speaker 3>still kind of struggling with how to walk that that balance.

0:54:18.960 --> 0:54:25.799
<v Speaker 1>I like, I sincerely hope that Lou Williams and Jack

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Harlowe are healthy and that the ladies that they were

0:54:31.800 --> 0:54:35.840
<v Speaker 1>cavorting with last week are healthy, and that the Wings

0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:40.239
<v Speaker 1>were good, because I need to be able to make

0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:44.320
<v Speaker 1>fun of the fact that a professional basketball player left

0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:47.799
<v Speaker 1>Disney to go to a strip club on an off

0:54:47.880 --> 0:54:51.080
<v Speaker 1>day when he was supposed to be quarantined. I mean,

0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:55.560
<v Speaker 1>calm on, but if anybody's sick, we don't want to

0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:58.520
<v Speaker 1>make fun of it. You're right, Ti, It's.

0:54:58.360 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 3>Just such a such a tentative balance, and you know,

0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:02.520
<v Speaker 3>I mean, hope that's not the wrong thing to ask,

0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:06.359
<v Speaker 3>but it really does weigh on me when we log

0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:09.120
<v Speaker 3>on to do this show every week, like, Wow, this

0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:11.120
<v Speaker 3>is this is a really delicate situation.

0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Approaching it from a life perspective, Yeah, sure, yeah.

0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:18.400
<v Speaker 1>I just like some of the ways that some of

0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:22.319
<v Speaker 1>the like I've read somebody some in New Jersey there

0:55:22.400 --> 0:55:26.120
<v Speaker 1>was like a seven hundred person mansion party that got busted,

0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:28.239
<v Speaker 1>and I you know, I don't know if you've heard

0:55:28.280 --> 0:55:31.399
<v Speaker 1>about Dan on Long Island, there was like a chain

0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:36.880
<v Speaker 1>smoker's concept saw that that Goldman's Axis Deo DJ, like,

0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:40.759
<v Speaker 1>what are we doing? What? What?

0:55:41.640 --> 0:55:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Supposedly it was supposed to be a car only concert,

0:55:44.160 --> 0:55:45.839
<v Speaker 2>but then people got out of their cars. Who could

0:55:45.840 --> 0:55:46.600
<v Speaker 2>have seen that coming?

0:55:46.719 --> 0:55:47.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Man.

0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:53.040
<v Speaker 2>A couple of other I think ramifications or just stories

0:55:53.040 --> 0:55:55.840
<v Speaker 2>that I think are going to be interesting to follow

0:55:55.960 --> 0:55:59.799
<v Speaker 2>is we're pretty sure the coaching salary bubble has popped now, right,

0:56:00.000 --> 0:56:03.600
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I Mel Tucker just was was the

0:56:03.640 --> 0:56:06.480
<v Speaker 2>big last winner of the coaching salary bubble.

0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, congratulations. I hope to check clears for mel Tucker. Yeah,

0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:15.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I like, is the bubble gonna burst? I

0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:19.080
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I think it'll be. I think what will

0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:22.920
<v Speaker 1>happen is it'll be more assistant salaries that you may

0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:27.560
<v Speaker 1>see go or get chipped away. And and I should

0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:31.680
<v Speaker 1>say if you do see coaching salaries go down, it

0:56:31.760 --> 0:56:34.080
<v Speaker 1>may be because a coach is trying to balance and

0:56:34.120 --> 0:56:38.400
<v Speaker 1>say I'd rather have that money in my assistant pool anyway,

0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:42.319
<v Speaker 1>because that's what like, as you know, Alabama kind of

0:56:42.600 --> 0:56:46.480
<v Speaker 1>led the charge with forty five analysts on the sideline.

0:56:46.600 --> 0:56:48.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, if you're trying to keep up with the

0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:51.319
<v Speaker 1>Joneses in that way, which is what you have to

0:56:51.320 --> 0:56:55.080
<v Speaker 1>do to compete for national championship in this sport. Yeah,

0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:57.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, the money's got to come from somewhere. But

0:56:57.840 --> 0:57:00.399
<v Speaker 1>then I look at, uh, you know, if it's coming

0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:03.920
<v Speaker 1>from these boosters, what's going to happen with when these

0:57:03.960 --> 0:57:08.120
<v Speaker 1>boosters are potentially seeing their own businesses unfortunately dry up

0:57:08.280 --> 0:57:11.400
<v Speaker 1>because of the coronavirus and its impact on the economy

0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:15.080
<v Speaker 1>and whatever sector it is that may be happen You know,

0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:17.320
<v Speaker 1>we all joke about what's going to happen to Texas,

0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:20.880
<v Speaker 1>A and M if the oil industry drives up, But

0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:23.280
<v Speaker 1>you know it's serious. You know, think about a school

0:57:23.320 --> 0:57:25.800
<v Speaker 1>like I think about a school like FAU. Right, Fau's

0:57:25.840 --> 0:57:30.240
<v Speaker 1>got a whole bunch of it, of its athletic department

0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:34.280
<v Speaker 1>budget that's wrapped up in student fees. Well, what happens

0:57:34.680 --> 0:57:36.920
<v Speaker 1>if there aren't any students on campus or if there

0:57:36.920 --> 0:57:40.600
<v Speaker 1>are dramatically less students enrolled in the university for a semester,

0:57:41.000 --> 0:57:43.439
<v Speaker 1>And then FAU goes to the state of Florida and says,

0:57:43.440 --> 0:57:47.520
<v Speaker 1>we need some extra funds, and the State of Florida says, sorry,

0:57:47.520 --> 0:57:49.480
<v Speaker 1>we ain't got it like that because we're trying to

0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:54.280
<v Speaker 1>battle global pandemic. You know what happens. Then It's just

0:57:55.200 --> 0:57:58.240
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot to think about about the economics of

0:57:58.520 --> 0:58:02.520
<v Speaker 1>of the country in general. You can't just dip into

0:58:02.600 --> 0:58:06.120
<v Speaker 1>an endowment like it's like it's a savings account to

0:58:06.400 --> 0:58:09.600
<v Speaker 1>save your university, you know, or to save your athletic program.

0:58:09.760 --> 0:58:12.120
<v Speaker 1>If you could do that, Stanford would not have cut

0:58:12.160 --> 0:58:15.120
<v Speaker 1>so many sports the other day, by.

0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:17.760
<v Speaker 2>The way, could have a lot more Clay Helton situations

0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:21.600
<v Speaker 2>across the country. Teams unwilling to fire a coach they

0:58:21.640 --> 0:58:25.360
<v Speaker 2>want to fire because they have no intent of paying

0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:27.040
<v Speaker 2>a buyout they have.

0:58:27.200 --> 0:58:32.000
<v Speaker 1>They're like buy out agents agents that negotiated the thick buyouts.

0:58:33.080 --> 0:58:35.320
<v Speaker 1>That is the one thing that I will say. I

0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:38.600
<v Speaker 1>think I thought the buyout bubble was basically going to

0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:42.439
<v Speaker 1>bust anyway because we just can't keep You just can't

0:58:42.480 --> 0:58:45.160
<v Speaker 1>keep going on like this. As far as the economics

0:58:45.160 --> 0:58:47.280
<v Speaker 1>of the coaching industry, you just cannot keep doing this

0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:49.600
<v Speaker 1>with buyouts. So I think more than anything like that,

0:58:49.640 --> 0:58:54.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe another way where you see the economics crey drastically

0:58:54.720 --> 0:58:57.960
<v Speaker 1>change because when a school I'm like, yeah, like, can't

0:58:57.960 --> 0:58:59.760
<v Speaker 1>do a buyout, can't do a deal with that, with

0:58:59.800 --> 0:59:00.919
<v Speaker 1>that have a buyout in there.

0:59:01.520 --> 0:59:04.800
<v Speaker 2>By the way, a jimbo Fisher check out at Texas

0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:07.640
<v Speaker 2>A and m knowing how much money he's owed. If

0:59:07.640 --> 0:59:09.800
<v Speaker 2>he just decides that, like you know what, I'm good

0:59:10.080 --> 0:59:13.280
<v Speaker 2>and he just pulls a full office space, a full

0:59:13.360 --> 0:59:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Peter from office space in college station where he just

0:59:16.840 --> 0:59:20.000
<v Speaker 2>guts a fish at his desk in his office because

0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:22.880
<v Speaker 2>he knows they're not going to fire him. Holy hell.

0:59:22.960 --> 0:59:24.480
<v Speaker 2>And I know that people are in the back of

0:59:24.480 --> 0:59:26.960
<v Speaker 2>mind thinking are thinking that's what we did at Florida State, right,

0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:30.880
<v Speaker 2>But it's very real that a coach could full on

0:59:31.120 --> 0:59:34.040
<v Speaker 2>check out knowing they're not buying them out.

0:59:34.200 --> 0:59:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I also wonder what happens with like if we

0:59:36.800 --> 0:59:40.360
<v Speaker 1>see more David Baty situations right where the school says, hey,

0:59:40.360 --> 0:59:44.360
<v Speaker 1>we need it back and we're going to manufacture an

0:59:44.440 --> 0:59:47.000
<v Speaker 1>NCAA violation to try to get it back.

0:59:47.200 --> 0:59:50.160
<v Speaker 3>Clay Helton might be there forever in this new economy.

0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Build a a statue, man, build him a statue.

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<v Speaker 2>Finess God once again. Richard Johnson, one of the co

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what the time zone?

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<v Speaker 2>Noon?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi?

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<v Speaker 2>Recently, you've heard obviously Richard on PAPN. You saw him

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<v Speaker 2>at Banner Society, Espionnation, Box Media. I don't think Richard's

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<v Speaker 2>we're very excited to, hopefully sooner rather than later, figure

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<v Speaker 2>out what what's happening in sports media and college football media, because,

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<v Speaker 2>as we all know, Richard Johnson rising star Richard, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you very much for your time. Sinful seven dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks all right, good conversation again our good friend Richard Johnson.

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<v Speaker 3>Please go out and buy that book. Sinful seven looks

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<v Speaker 3>very interesting. You said you did buy it. I bought mine.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I bought it a long time ago. I pre ordered.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to uh to take a full gander.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely looks exciting and a lot of creative people working

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<v Speaker 3>It feels good, especially in this weird time right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. And by the way, the responses are rolling in

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<v Speaker 2>about the most hilariously evil cardboard cutout purchase for an

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<v Speaker 2>empty stadium. I don't know if we'll fully do it

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<v Speaker 2>today go through all of them, but Urban Meyer at

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan was an early one, and the surrender Cobra Kid

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<v Speaker 2>at Michigan during the Michigan I think it was the

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan State punt at the end of the game game

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<v Speaker 2>That one has been offered out. But we're getting a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of really good responses. The popcorn guy from Wazoo

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<v Speaker 2>to get his presence back in the stadium at Martin Stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>I think would be be a big, big win. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that would get through the censors. I think he

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<v Speaker 2>specifically would.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, this definitely has a game day signed feel to it,

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<v Speaker 3>where you need to be clever enough to beat the sensors,

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<v Speaker 3>but at the same time not too esoteric that folks

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<v Speaker 3>aren't going to know what the heck you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Lane Kiffin's not getting through the censors in Knoxville. No, no, no, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that that is like one of the obvious Harvey Updyke

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<v Speaker 2>if you dress him up and it seems more respectable. Perhaps, Man,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many, especially players who have been total Like

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<v Speaker 2>if you had like a Tavon Austin cut out in

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<v Speaker 2>the stands at Norman in Norman, I know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>they lost that game West Virginia to Oklahoma when he

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<v Speaker 2>had the huge game.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh here we go, Here we go.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris Davis in one of the Alabama end zones.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, or excuse me, kicksex.

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<v Speaker 4>That would be That would be so.

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<v Speaker 2>Many good responses. All right, a right review these next time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thank you again for spending some of your time

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<v Speaker 3>with us. We as always thank our esteem guest, mister

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<v Speaker 3>Richard Johnson for stopping by. Great conversation. Good to hear

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<v Speaker 2>Wes Byram the Auburn kicker, who chomped, Who chomped? The Gators?

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<v Speaker 2>Get him at the swamp. No, no, oh no, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of good ones.

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<v Speaker 4>These are cold blooded.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man lovey with his beard in camp Randall, that'd

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<v Speaker 2>be great, that'd be great in any Stadium. Frank Case

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<v Speaker 2>McCoy at Kyle Field, the last Texas quarterback to beat

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<v Speaker 2>A and M was a response from Danny, I love.

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<v Speaker 4>Beard is a national treasure. We need to bring that back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah he can. You know what, if you can grow

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<v Speaker 2>a beard like that, then I don't think it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to take that long. He can bring it back one hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>Percent for that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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<v Speaker 3>For myself, Tie hilden Brand, thanks again so much for downloading,

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<v Speaker 3>hope you're all doing well.

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<v Speaker 4>We will talk to you all in a few days.

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<v Speaker 3>In the meantime, stay solid, peace,