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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal home for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 2: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 2: for a day at the steak? Is that woo woof?

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Speaker 2: And then and tie?

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the solid verbal boys and girls. My

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Speaker 3: name is Ty Hildebrandt, joining me as always over there.

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Speaker 4: The one and only the man with the plan.

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Speaker 2: Dan Rubenstein, sir, how you doing? I have no plan.

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Speaker 2: I have still a tie. Everything's being thrown at me

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Speaker 2: right now. I'm pretty good. I am speaking into a

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Speaker 2: bit of an audio cave. It's have you heard of

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Speaker 2: nuggets in like the uh the sort of foam blocks

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Speaker 2: that that little kids use to climb and make forts

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Speaker 2: out of. Do you know about this at all? I

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Speaker 2: think I do. Actually, yeah, I've got a couple nugget

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Speaker 2: wedges on a desk, a standing desk in front of me,

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Speaker 2: in a nugget square behind me, and I sound okay, right?

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Speaker 2: You do you do?

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Speaker 3: You mc guiverrt a studio and whatever the space you're in.

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Speaker 2: The nugget cave so far has done pretty well. So

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Speaker 2: that's the only plan I have right now.

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Speaker 4: Keep nuggeting, keep nuggeting.

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Speaker 3: That's good advice as we plot ahead amid a pandemic

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Speaker 3: and uncertainty in general around the college football world. We're

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Speaker 3: going to get into that here momentarily and when we

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Speaker 3: will say that last show, know where you're going with

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Speaker 3: this far exceeded my expectations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a lot of reactions of I as

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Speaker 2: well am old and decrepit. We fought a lot of expectations.

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Speaker 3: We have a lot of high concepts that we like

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Speaker 3: to float out just amongst friends, and you never know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the why as well, I'm very sore all the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I as well understand nothing of the age of the

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Speaker 2: people under twenty five. Yeah, we got a lot of that.

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Speaker 2: So I'm glad we could relate to our audience with

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Speaker 2: everything that's deteriorating inside of us and spiritually at the

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Speaker 2: same time. Yeah, it was a good time. Can I

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Speaker 2: add another one real quick, just to ask if this

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Speaker 2: if this time I'm ready?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: What about calling the township to file a complaint? Is

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Speaker 3: that an old and washed thing to do?

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Speaker 2: I think that's great. I think you got to be polite.

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Speaker 2: But no, I mean that sort of is in the

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Speaker 2: customer feedback genus that we talked about a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I do it from a positive standpoint. I don't like

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Speaker 2: there's something legitimate to complain about, I don't think I

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Speaker 2: you're on the back nine. Essentially, you're you're what you're

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Speaker 2: only your pre forty is, yes, so you're approaching the

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Speaker 3: There's there's a reason that I ask you this question. Okay,

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Speaker 3: are you familiar with something called a bird cannon?

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Speaker 2: I could figure out what that is. If we're talking

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Speaker 2: literal a cannon that shoots out birds. It does not show.

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Speaker 3: I was not aware of this contraption until late last night. Okay,

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Speaker 3: It literally looks like a leaf blower hooked up to

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Speaker 3: But I am telling you this thing sounds like Skipper,

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Speaker 3: We're under attack by the birds, the farmers, and now

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Speaker 3: I just I need to get some damn sleep after

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Speaker 2: Can I turn this into college football?

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Speaker 4: Please? I would love you too.

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Speaker 2: You told me about this earlier, so my bewilderment was

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Speaker 2: actually fake. I knew what it was. The jig is up,

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Speaker 2: bird teams, the literal bird cannons of college football. If

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Speaker 2: Sam Howell against Temple and the Bowl lit them up,

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Speaker 2: the Louisville Cardinals. Bryce Perkins against Virginia Tech the Hockey

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Speaker 2: Brock Perdy lit up the Hawkeyes of Iowa, but that

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Speaker 2: against the Eagles of Georgia Southern Brock Purty double bird,

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Speaker 2: status Jayden Daniels of ASU against the Oregon Ducks took

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Speaker 2: perhaps the most important one Holy Cross is Connor Daganheart

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Speaker 4: We remember that one huge.

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Speaker 2: So those are your literal bird cannons of twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna need to incorporate the bird cannon into our

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Speaker 2: We just have to pay attention to the to bird

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Speaker 2: We have breaking news.

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Speaker 3: This isn't so much breaking, but I saw it. It

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Speaker 3: this afternoon. Mark Emmert is quote concerned join the club

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Speaker 3: mark about starting fall sports. I read from the article

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Speaker 3: here on ESPN dot com. As the start of the

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Speaker 3: college football season continues to inch closer and c DOAA

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Speaker 3: pre president Mark Emmert said Tuesday, he remains quote very

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Speaker 3: concerned about the status of fall sports. Thinks a delayed

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Speaker 3: start and shortened schedule might quote make sense again. Welcome

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Speaker 3: to the party, mister Emmert saliverbol at gmail dot com

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Speaker 3: if you'd like to give us very troubling, very troubling,

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Speaker 3: indeed further comment. Moving on, Ohio State has announced that

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Speaker 3: they'll be limiting their attendance to twenty percent inside the Horseshoe,

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Speaker 3: face coverings will be required and tailgating will be banned

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Speaker 3: for the twenty twenty college football season. Again, the face

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean we went to Red Robin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a big believer in taking things incrementally. Ohio

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Speaker 2: have a mandatory mass order, which is good. But to me,

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Speaker 2: let's let's start with no fans, see how everything's going,

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Speaker 2: Maybe up it a little bit from there, you know,

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Speaker 1: That's me.

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about these cardboard cutout fans that

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Speaker 2: fine with it. It looks a little bit goofy, but

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Speaker 3: So like, you could pay forty dollars to get a

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Speaker 3: Nick Cage cardboard cutout, which is so worth the money.

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Speaker 3: do we have budget to buy some select cardboard cutouts

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Speaker 3: We are it's it's a good conversation, but it's just

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Speaker 2: Come on, Are you chained into it? No, I'm about

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Speaker 3: So we'll see any other news that jumped out at

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Speaker 2: Let's do it?

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Speaker 3: Who is our esteemed interview subject, mister Rubinstein.

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Speaker 2: A dear dear friend of the show, Richard Johnson, one

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Speaker 2: of the co authors of The Sinful Seven, a new

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Speaker 3: All right, Dan joining us now, long time friend of

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Speaker 3: the verbal. It has been far too long, mister Richard Johnson, Sir,

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Speaker 3: welcome back to the show. How you doing, man?

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Speaker 1: Who is good to be back the WAW are still fine?

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Speaker 1: I miss you guys.

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Speaker 2: I miss you do What are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Man? I am in I'm in parts unknown. I have

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Speaker 3: So we're not going to divulge where your location is,

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Speaker 2: Come on, now, I saw on bear grills.

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Speaker 3: If you just yell yo bear like every thirty seconds

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Speaker 2: Yeah, old old nature boy Richard Johnson. Okay, let's start

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Speaker 2: here because I think we are recording this. I don't

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Speaker 2: Jason Whiting, excuse me? And Tyson Whiting, who is the

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Sinful. The book is sinful, seven sci

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Speaker 1: write a book in the span of eleven or twelve weeks.

440
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Speaker 1: You won't sleep much. It'll be pretty tough. And I

441
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Speaker 1: would definitely not suggest that you write a book during

442
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Speaker 1: a global pandemic and you know, broader civic unrest, whatever

443
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Speaker 1: you want to call it. But it's funny. We all

444
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Speaker 1: the five of us got furloughed from Vox at the

445
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Speaker 1: beginning of May, and it's funny. Jason Kirk, who was

446
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Speaker 1: my college football editor at Spanation Banner Society and is

447
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Speaker 1: now my co author on this book, basically like asked

448
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Speaker 1: all of us if we wanted to do this, and

449
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Speaker 1: Spencer Hall, being the incredible creative mind that he is,

450
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Speaker 1: we all got on a zoom call one day and

451
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Speaker 1: he like laid out the idea for a college football

452
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Speaker 1: western And it was one of those things where Jason

453
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Speaker 1: kind of floated it and I didn't even I didn't

454
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Speaker 1: even know what it was going to be, even know

455
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Speaker 1: what it could be. It was one of those things

456
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Speaker 1: where it was like, yeah, you know, that'll be a

457
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Speaker 1: good use of my time over the next three months

458
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Speaker 1: or so, I thought. And and it's one of those

459
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Speaker 1: things where you just start rolling and you know, Dan

460
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Speaker 1: and Ty, both of you guys, you guys have worked

461
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Speaker 1: with kind of this crew. You guys know our creative juices.

462
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Speaker 1: You guys know how we kind of work. I have

463
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Speaker 1: trusted these guys that I've worked with for the last

464
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Speaker 1: three or four years, implicitly ever creatively with my creative development.

465
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Speaker 1: I think they are the brightest, whip, smartest college football

466
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Speaker 1: writers in the industry. And and so there it's not

467
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Speaker 1: like five people were getting together to do this that

468
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Speaker 1: didn't know each other or you know that we were

469
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Speaker 1: mercenary freelance writers you know, we know how each other work,

470
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Speaker 1: and and you know, it's one of those things where

471
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Speaker 1: during edits, you know, I had to rewrite like one

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Speaker 1: of my whole chapters. And you know, if it was

473
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Speaker 1: a different team, like maybe I'd have some inhibitions, maybe

474
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't trust uh the editor that I'm working with.

475
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Speaker 1: But now, like Jason asked me to do something, and

476
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Speaker 1: like I know, at the end of the day, without

477
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Speaker 1: a shadow of a doubt, if Jason's asking me to

478
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Speaker 1: change something, it's gonna make it better. And and that's

479
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Speaker 1: just how the attitude you have to go with. And

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Speaker 1: I mean honestly, like there's there's some ignorance of like

481
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Speaker 1: the process. I think that you kind of almost have

482
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Speaker 1: to have to do something this dumb. And by dumb,

483
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Speaker 1: I mean writing a book in eleven weeks. Yeah, it's

484
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Speaker 1: like it's like as a writer, you're always like hell, yeah,

485
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Speaker 1: like you know, I'd love to write a book. Write

486
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Speaker 1: a book's just a long article, and then you write

487
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Speaker 1: it and you're like this is hell. So it's one

488
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Speaker 1: of those things where you just I just we all

489
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Speaker 1: just put our heads down and just wrote and plowed

490
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Speaker 1: through it. And and Tyson like the four of us

491
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Speaker 1: are just dumb writers. Tyson Whiting is an absolutely brilliant artist.

492
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Speaker 1: He's coding the book so it'll look sexy on your

493
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Speaker 1: kindle and your iPad and maybe even a PDF if

494
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Speaker 1: that's how you want to do it. He is is

495
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: a brilliant creative mind in his own right, and it

496
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Speaker 1: just is one of those projects that like it just fit.

497
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Speaker 1: It just fits, and it's really really good. I actually

498
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Speaker 1: read it cover to cover in its kind of final

499
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Speaker 1: version for the first time over the weekend. And when

500
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Speaker 1: I've read all the chapters kind of individually, but when

501
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: you read it kind of as a collective work in

502
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: one or two sittings, you know, you view it a

503
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Speaker 1: little bit differently. And I got done with it and

504
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Speaker 1: I literally was like, it's not just because I'm working

505
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Speaker 1: on this that I say this, Like the book is

506
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Speaker 1: good and I cannot wait for people to read it.

507
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Speaker 1: And you can go pick it up. Sinfulseven dot Com

508
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Speaker 1: pre order until Saturday, and twenty percent of the pre

509
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Speaker 1: orders will go the profits of the preorders will go

510
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Speaker 1: to Feeding America, So you're helping some people in need

511
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Speaker 1: as well as helping some on college football minds.

512
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Speaker 3: So when when you say sci fi or Western legends

513
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Speaker 3: of the NC double A, what what does that mean

514
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: is that Brian Bosworth, of these fictional characters.

515
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Speaker 2: What do we say, is there a narrative how to row?

516
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 3: How does college football fit into sci fi Western legendary?

517
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: So we basically like take the So also, the rhythm

518
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: of the book is half fiction half nonfiction. So for

519
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: most of the book it alternates between a fiction chapter

520
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: and a nonfiction chapter. If you've read the the excerpt

521
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Speaker 1: that Spencer Hall wrote that went on four to wind

522
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Speaker 1: dot com last week, you'll read a fiction part. By

523
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Speaker 1: the time your people are listening to this, you can

524
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Speaker 1: go and read one of my exerted chapters on hazlit

525
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: dot net and that is a non fiction chapter, and

526
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: so you'll get it is it is a truly unique

527
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: project because of that. And so basically we are telling

528
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Speaker 1: and creating a fictional world with and populating that world

529
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: with characters, stories locales from real college football stories that

530
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: span from basically the beginning of college sports right around

531
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Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties. And it's there are there are things

532
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Speaker 1: that are on the cutting room floor that we couldn't

533
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Speaker 1: even put in. I mean, like you guys know that

534
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: the sport is so rich with characters that are one

535
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Speaker 1: hundred percent real people that if you took to a

536
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Speaker 1: Hollywood screenwriter and said this is you know, this is

537
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: an idea for a fleshed out character, they would say, no,

538
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: this is too fanciful. I mean the sports and saying

539
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: we know it, that's why we love it.

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Speaker 2: You mean like a coach coaching from a hospital bed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's it's just there are things like that

542
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Speaker 1: that you just you just say, you just sit down

543
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: and you say, like, this cannot be real life. People

544
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: cannot be actual people. And yet some of them coaching

545
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: and administrators, like they get entrusted with eighteen to twenty

546
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: two year old at a time, you know, one hundred

547
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: of them at a time, Like it boggles the mind truly.

548
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: But you know, the game is so rich with stories,

549
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: and we take and we tweak and we adapt and

550
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: we try to fit in to this fictional universe what

551
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Speaker 1: we can. But there are references goal more to college

552
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Speaker 1: football in here, both in a sci fi realm and

553
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Speaker 1: a western realm. I mean, somebody is going to be

554
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Speaker 1: silly enough to try to do a wiki on this book,

555
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: and I feel for that person because that person who's

556
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Speaker 1: going to have some work to do.

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Speaker 3: It feels to me a little bit like Truman Show,

558
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 3: where you've built your own like fictional bubble, You've pulled

559
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Speaker 3: in elements from the outside world to construct that new reality.

560
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Speaker 3: How are you treating the postseason? Can we just ask,

561
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Speaker 3: because Dan and I were always at odds with you know,

562
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Speaker 3: the bowl season or the playoffs?

563
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Speaker 2: Is that a character?

564
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

565
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Speaker 3: Like, how how is that a topic that has broached

566
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Speaker 3: in your in your so called Western bubble here?

567
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Speaker 1: Oh, I will say that it is more than broch,

568
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Speaker 1: that is uh. I can I can say that. I

569
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Speaker 1: can say that it is more than broach the postseason

570
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Speaker 1: of both college football and college basketball, might I add? Okay,

571
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Speaker 1: so it's it's in there. Trust me, You're you're gonna

572
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Speaker 1: You're gonna get your fill of college sports postseason. I

573
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Speaker 1: will say that I'll keep it cryptic.

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Speaker 3: But if it's if it's cryptic and western, you're gonna

575
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Speaker 3: do something cool like a duel that would be way

576
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Speaker 3: cooler if we had it in real life, and you know,

577
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Speaker 3: far more ghastly, but at the same time definitely fits

578
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Speaker 3: with the motif here of Western legends.

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Speaker 1: I I you know, I will neither confirm or deny.

580
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Speaker 2: Okay, I know I will neither.

581
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Speaker 1: Confirm or deny that Notre Dame has a prominent role

582
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Speaker 1: in this book.

583
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Speaker 2: Wow Wow ham McDaniel supporting character, Tie supporting character not

584
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: often used running back whose helmet sometimes fell off. Okay,

585
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to do a professional segue here unless there's

586
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Speaker 2: anything we need to add further, and we'll talk about

587
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: it at the end of this whole thing. But speaking

588
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: of science fiction and the wild Wild Wests, Richard, we've

589
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: got a possible twenty twenty college football season. I haven't

590
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: seen you in months, and that's far too long, so

591
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Speaker 2: I haven't been able to get your extensive thoughts on things.

592
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: But one of the things Ty and I were recently

593
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Speaker 2: talking about is the fact that we are so hyper

594
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Speaker 2: focused on a very binary question of will they won't

595
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Speaker 2: they and slash how that we don't think about all

596
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Speaker 2: of the potential ramifications of the different scenarios. We've talked

597
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Speaker 2: about different schedule ramifications, but just more on a human level,

598
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Speaker 2: whether it's players or coaches, or scheduling or TV or

599
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Speaker 2: the sport itself. Do you have any big thoughts things

600
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Speaker 2: that have just sort of crawled into the back of

601
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Speaker 2: your brain and when you're not writing the book about

602
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: what people perhaps aren't thinking about considering the circumstances of

603
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Speaker 2: what the twenty twenty college football season might look like.

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Speaker 1: I think the like on the top, like people ask me,

605
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Speaker 1: like do you know, and I'm like no, and I

606
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,239
Speaker 1: don't know because the people I talk to don't know.

607
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 1: Nobody knows, and like there are some things that you

608
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Speaker 1: can speak to with like relative certainty and confidence. But

609
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Speaker 1: when I tell you, guys, this is the blind leading

610
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Speaker 1: the blind. And I'm talking all the way up to

611
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Speaker 1: like school presidents, conference commissioners, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we talked to people in the industry, coaches, agents, whatever,

613
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Speaker 1: like everybody's like, what the hell is going on? Like

614
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Speaker 1: nobody knows what's going on? Like I there. I if

615
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Speaker 1: you've seen the college football Reddit matrix that shows like

616
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Speaker 1: what conferences in leagues are playing and what and which

617
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,239
Speaker 1: ones aren't and like who's canceled? Like I actually had

618
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Speaker 1: a coach dm me on Twitter yesterday. Uh he dm

619
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Speaker 1: me that picture and it literally says, and I quote,

620
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Speaker 1: what the f are we doing here? Like nobody knows

621
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Speaker 1: what's going on. And that is the thing that I

622
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Speaker 1: before I tell anybody, you know, my opinions on things,

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Speaker 1: I have to preface that, like, it could change in

624
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Speaker 1: a week. And there's so many things in this world

625
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: right now that you can say that about, but college

626
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: football is what we're talking about, So yeah, it can

627
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Speaker 1: change in a week. You know. The one thing that

628
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Speaker 1: I think I can talk about with some pretty a

629
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Speaker 1: pretty big amount of certainty is that the spring thing

630
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Speaker 1: is probably a non starter at least for the Power

631
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Speaker 1: five leagues. And it's because, honestly, it's because of the NFL.

632
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Speaker 1: Like the NFL is not. I don't know if the

633
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Speaker 1: NFL is going to finish its season, but I will

634
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Speaker 1: say I'm pretty sure they're going to try to kick

635
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Speaker 1: it off labor the weekend. And because of that, I

636
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: don't think the NFL is going to push I don't

637
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: think the NFL is going to try to push the

638
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: combine back. I don't think the NFL is going to

639
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 1: push the draft back. And so what you may run

640
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,959
Speaker 1: into is Trevor Lawrence Justin Fields, if you were playing

641
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: in the spring, for instance, Trevor Lawrence Justice Fields getting

642
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: paid a lot by an agency to sit out and

643
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: in the agency gets the money on the back end

644
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: when they get drafted and get their signing bonus or

645
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: something like that of that nature. If I'm Trevor or

646
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: justin God bless Clinton in Ohio State. But I got

647
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: a lot of money riding on me not tearing an

648
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Speaker 1: ACL February fifth and potentially jeopardizing my twenty twenty one

649
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Speaker 1: regular season in the NFL. So that I think is

650
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Speaker 1: the big thing with Spring. I don't personally view Spring.

651
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Speaker 1: I personally view Spring as something of a non starter,

652
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Speaker 1: at least for the Power five League.

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Speaker 2: So that's go ahead.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Well, I would say I do. I would say to

656
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Speaker 1: the Power five I'm like, look, the Power five leagues,

657
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: the Commission need to get together like the PSI families

658
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: in the in the Godfather movies, right, get together and

659
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: just say, look, this is how we're gonna do testing.

660
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: This is how we're gonna do this is how we're

661
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: gonna do that. The NC double A has already said,

662
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: is on record saying basically, it's y'all's problem. The NC

663
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: double A is not gonna put a foot down and

664
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Speaker 1: regulate this and all this kind of stuff. And that's

665
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Speaker 1: because the NC double A is what the NC double

666
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Speaker 1: A is. And by the way, you can read about

667
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: the NC double a's formation in the Central seven SI

668
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: by Western Legends of the NC double A dropping August

669
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Speaker 1: first at noon Central seven dot com. Like, uh, it's

670
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: just one of those things where it's like the NCAA

671
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: is not going to force a hand here, so it's

672
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: gonna be up to the leagues. And it's it's so

673
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: piecemeal like Michigan State all the entire team's court quarantining,

674
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: h Rutgers the entire teams court quarantining. But then maybe

675
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: another team has a few cases and the whole team

676
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: doesn't quarantine, but you quarantine a position group or something

677
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: like that. Like it's it's it's like whack a mole man.

678
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, here's one problem, We've saved that. Okay,

679
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: here's another one. It's okay, we're gonna have twenty percent

680
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: fans in the stands. Well that means well, we're not

681
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: gonna have tailgating. So who's gonna come. It's not gonna

682
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: be students, right, Like is it gonna be kids' parents? Like,

683
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: is it gonna be boosters? Is it you go on

684
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: and on and on, and you spiral, and that's just

685
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: me talking as some dummy who's not a conference commissioner.

686
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: I can only imagine the levers and what is going

687
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: on in some of these conference offices. Man, it's crazy.

688
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: So let me play Devil's advocate.

689
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: We talk about the NFL, and we don't know if

690
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: they're going to finish the season given current events.

691
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 4: We don't know if the Marlins are going to finish

692
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 4: the week.

693
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: Okay, So yeah, to your point, there's a lot going on.

694
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 3: But I think you're right about the spring thing to

695
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 3: the extent that if the goal is to win a championship,

696
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: then losing Trevor aren't losing justin fields. Losing some of

697
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 3: these elite caliber players is certainly a consideration and a problem.

698
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 3: I question whether or not that's the goal here, right, because.

699
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: That's what I've been saying all along, Ty.

700
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 3: You know, and Dan, sure, let's harken back to your

701
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: age old point here. If that's the goal, then fine.

702
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 3: But if the goal, as I understand it, is to

703
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: just play as many games as possible to earn as

704
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: many bucks as possible so that schools and programs don't

705
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 3: go under wouldn't the cost of you know, playing three

706
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 3: games in the fall and then having to suspend the

707
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 3: whole damn thing be far greater than saying, you know what,

708
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 3: this isn't going to work. There isn't going to be

709
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: a championship, at least in its normal sense. Anyway, why

710
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: don't we just push it off to the spring. The

711
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: cost of doing business in this sense will be that

712
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 3: we lose some of our elite players, but at least

713
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 3: maybe we know we can get ten games in.

714
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: Well. The problem is the other problem with spring is

715
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: that you with a lot of these programs, you run

716
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Speaker 1: into other sports. So I went to the University of Florida, right,

717
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: a very big, very robust athletic department, and a lot

718
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: of the I'm not even talking about I'm talking about

719
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: like sids and stuff like that. A lot of the

720
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: uh it's football is kind of like all hands on

721
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: deck for the athletic departments because in the fall at

722
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: a lot of these places, they're only it's only really

723
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: like football, volleyball, maybe soccer, and then in the winter

724
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: obviously basketball starts, and then like wrestling and stuff. But

725
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: for the most part there's not to be sports but

726
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 1: when you get to the spring, there's so many sports

727
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: that are going on. It's one of those things where

728
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: you may end up just running everything together and you

729
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: may overly tax these athletic departments who don't have the

730
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: resources for everybody to do, you know, six games on

731
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: a Saturday, one of which being football. And you know

732
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: this is obviously like a minor thing because maybe we

733
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: won't have fans in a potential spring twenty twenty one,

734
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: but like, how do you get a campus mobilized to

735
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: hold those events now if there's not fans? Again, different story.

736
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: But those are just some of the contingencies that are

737
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: the collateral damage maybe that you may think of about

738
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: moving the games to the spring. You know, I think

739
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: the I hesitate to say the word easy, but you know,

740
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: conference only schedules maybe eight games, because that gives you

741
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: the opportunity to cancel a week, sit out a week

742
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: if you've got a lot of positive tests or whatever.

743
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: And I know that I you know, I don't want

744
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: to sit here and sound like I'm playing around with

745
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: a very serious public health matter right now. But if

746
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: we want to be pragmatic, machiavellian, whatever, at some point,

747
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 1: somebody's going to say the quiet part out loud here,

748
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: which is that we've just got to play football to

749
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: undergird the economics of college athletics because they are so

750
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: fundamentally warped now, you know, it just it just is

751
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: what it is. Yeah.

752
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 3: The other thing that I wonder, and I mentioned this

753
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: to Dan, you know, now there's news coming out and

754
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: I don't know how how significant it is, how seriously

755
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 3: I should take it. I think we're all in the

756
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 3: same boat when it comes to things like vaccine development,

757
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 3: right like we do a college football show. We'll leave

758
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 3: that to the experts. But if in fact we do

759
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 3: have some sort of vaccine developed by the end of

760
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: the year, could that be something of a tipping point.

761
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 3: Knowing that so much of this revenue on the college

762
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 3: end does come from putting fans in seats, might that

763
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 3: give them some further clearance to say, you know what,

764
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 3: maybe spring does make more sense.

765
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: Depends on It just depends on, like a mass production schedule.

766
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: It depends on you know, there are already kind of

767
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: early signs right now that trials are doing well in

768
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: the early stages right now with some of these vaccines today,

769
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: the text A and M I think is getting a

770
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: grant to help with production mass production or something like that. So, yeah,

771
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: the wheels are turning there. It definitely would, But you know,

772
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if the leagues are going to sit

773
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: here and say we can wait that long, because I

774
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: don't know if they can, you know, and the other like,

775
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: I think we think we kind of keep it on

776
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: the team level because you know, that's what that's what

777
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: pertains to us or whatever. But I don't think the

778
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: problem or the I don't think the biggest red flag

779
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: is these teams being amongst themselves. It's the fact that

780
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: college kids are going to go out to parties, They're

781
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: going to go out to bars, They're going to hang

782
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: out with their friends, They're going to hang out with

783
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: their significant others. That's where we talk about. That's where

784
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: that's where real spread occurs, particularly in the Southern States

785
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: where it's really popping off right now. But then the

786
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: other thing that may rear its ugly head is, well,

787
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: what happens if where me and Dan, where me, Dan

788
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: and Ty, where all three of us lives, what happens

789
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: in the northeast? Does the second wave in October? You

790
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: know who knows? Man it's just I don't know. I

791
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: don't know. You know. I love college football, you know,

792
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: we all do. We all rely on it for our

793
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: for our livelihoods. But there is a lot up in

794
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: the air, and it changes every day, and it's it's

795
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: just who knows, man who knows.

796
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: One of the things I want to get back to

797
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: you mentioned something about like the five Families, the five

798
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: Power five conferences getting together and discussing things and figuring

799
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: out where they stand apart from the NC double A.

800
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if we could see a situation and I've

801
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: only heard about this recently. Sometimes, and these are generally

802
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: older people, they'll go in for a medical procedure, like

803
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: they'll get something work done on, like they'll get a

804
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 2: broken nose fixed, and they'll say, Hey, while you're in there,

805
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: why not fix my eyes a little bit. Why not

806
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: give me a little bit of a facelift. Why not,

807
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: you know, give me some lepo, because I'm going to

808
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: be recovering anyway, and nobody's going to know the difference.

809
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,959
Speaker 2: They're just going to say, wow, you look great after

810
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: all that time off. Could this be a situation if

811
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: we have a shortened if we have a canceled if

812
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 2: we have an altered season in some way that the

813
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: powers that be be it, you know, TV and conference

814
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: commissioners and everybody getting together saying, let's let's use this opportunity,

815
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: this time off for an almost restructuring to sort of

816
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: centralize power in a now national sport whereas you know,

817
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: we have all this separated and disparate power because it

818
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: used to be a regional sport. Now it's a lot

819
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: more nationalized because of TV. Could we see a situation

820
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: in which they use this recovery time to I guess,

821
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: become more efficient in terms of how the sport is structured.

822
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: I do wonder. I mean that now that appeals to

823
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: the better angels of the nature of college administrators, and

824
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: that would that would take some of them seeding power

825
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: and we all know that adding going to happen, you know.

826
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: I One of the things that I was batting around

827
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: with somebody is do we think that this could be

828
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: a thing where power five like out and out, really

829
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: breaks off. I mean, they already have so much autonomy

830
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: to set rules as they want given the NCAA rule book,

831
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: but it would this be a thing where they really

832
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: truly break off and just really say, you know, kick

833
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: rocks to the rest of college sports. I don't think

834
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: that's going to happen, primarily because leaving the nc double

835
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: A something, doing something that drastic would leave NCAA tournament

836
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: TV money on the table, and obviously nobody's going to

837
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: do that. So I don't think it'll get that drastic.

838
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll get that bad. The economic fallout,

839
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: as we know, is absolutely going to be felt by

840
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: the by the Group of five schools and by the

841
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: SCS schools, and you know, all the way down that's

842
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: you know, it trickles down. The ship rolls down ill

843
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: as we know, and you know, I look at so

844
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: right the Big Ten cancels it, it's out of conference games,

845
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: and a lot of people were a lot of people

846
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: kind of within college sports outside of the Big Ten

847
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: were kind of like, why'd you go so early? Why

848
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: didn't you hold out a few more weeks to kind

849
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: of say something. Obviously we've seen the PAC twelve has

850
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: also moved. But at the time when the Big Ten

851
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: made its call, I guess the weekend after the fourth

852
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: A lot of people were like, why didn't you wait,

853
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: Why didn't you just hold you know, you could have

854
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: waited to make that announcement, and so you know, the

855
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: Big Ten says that. And so I take a school

856
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: like Bowling Green, Right, Bowling Green's got what two I

857
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: think Big Ten games on its schedule against Illinois and

858
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: Ohio State. And so I think about a school like

859
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: Bowling Green. Maybe that's two point five million dollars in

860
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: guarantee revenue that they were going to get from those

861
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: two games that is now no longer there. And you

862
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: know they I think Bowling Green's revenues last year was

863
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: something like tw're twenty five million dollars like that two

864
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: point five man, Like, that's something there. Man, that is

865
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: a decent chunk of money that if you're Bowling Green

866
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: you were counting on. So what do you do. Do

867
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: you sue Ohio State to try to claw back some

868
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: of that money? Well, you probably can't fight Ohio State

869
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: in court because they'll just sit on the ball. But

870
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: the other thing is that Ohio State spent eighty years

871
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: not playing anybody in Ohio and they've only recently come

872
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: around in the new millennium. And it's really good for

873
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: everybody because it's a symbiotic relationship and bowling Green players

874
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: get and fans get to take a cool trip to

875
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: Columbus and they get to say they played in the

876
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: shoe and it's an in state thing and all that

877
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,959
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So maybe you don't want to piss

878
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: Ohio State off, so you're gonna have to settle for

879
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 1: less than the one point two one point five million

880
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: dollar guarantee, and so maybe you leave as much as

881
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,479
Speaker 1: a million dollars on the table and Ohio State says

882
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: we'll play again in twenty twenty six or whatever in

883
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: a settlement like this is this is when I talk

884
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: about the shit rolling downhill, Like that's what I'm talking about.

885
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: That's kind of how this works. And there are going

886
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: to be hundreds hundreds of those type of decisions and

887
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: calculuses and all that kind of stuff. And I'm sure

888
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: some of these games have insurance clauses and active god

889
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: clauses and stuff like that for something like this, but

890
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: then other games won't. And so you know, we know

891
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: the bifurcated nature of this sport where you know, one

892
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty major college football teams are not playing

893
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: on the same playing field, and that doesn't even get

894
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: near SCS get near HBCUs, getting near D three, all

895
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: that stuff.

896
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: What I'm curious about is how much, maybe and especially

897
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 2: when as it relates to players, but I guess somewhat

898
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: with coaches and coaches families, how much you've thought about geography.

899
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 2: We've seen stories about you know, recruits potentially staying closer

900
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 2: to home, not necessarily because you know, they're scared of

901
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 2: travel or their families are scared of travel. Well, we're

902
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: also in pretty dark economic times. It's going to be

903
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 2: it is expensive to travel across the country, somewhat across

904
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: the country, pay for hotels, maybe a rental car meals.

905
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: That's an expense that has become even more difficult as

906
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 2: the economy has taken a pretty significant hit. What do

907
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 2: you think about and I just mentioned the word national

908
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 2: and nationalized, what do you think about the sport becoming

909
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: almost more regional because of the realities economically and public

910
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 2: health wise of the current world.

911
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if this I almost wonder if it

912
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: becomes a thing where the top upper cross the power five,

913
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: the upper thirty forty, where they actually end up maybe

914
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: playing each other even more in some of these out

915
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: of conference bonanza games, right like you know, Florida, for

916
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: my dear dear alma mater, for something like thirty years,

917
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: didn't play an out of state, out of conference game.

918
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: And then Jerry Jones said, hey, we'll give you six

919
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: million dollars played Michigan, And so Florida went and played

920
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: Michigan a couple of years ago. So I you know,

921
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: we know that those games have been happening more and

922
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: more in the last couple of years. I wonder if

923
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: that is something that we see an even more increase on.

924
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: But then you think about, yes, the collateral that you're

925
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: talking about, Uh, you know, can mom and dad fly

926
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: from California to watch Johnny offensive Lineman play in lambeau Field?

927
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: What you know? Can they do that? And so yeah,

928
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: that's where we talk about people getting left out of

929
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: mc coold. But then on a regional level, I do

930
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: wonder if it if it sort of forces kind of

931
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: that belt tightening, uh and and and things of that nature.

932
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: You know, if that's something where that starts to affect

933
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: the upper crust of Power five and the upper crust

934
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: of college football, maybe we sort to maybe we end

935
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 1: up going back to you know, Florida doesn't ever leave

936
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: the State or USC doesn't barnstorm and and I think,

937
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: you know, you you lose some of you know, Florida

938
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 1: State built it's its brand right on. We'll play anybody,

939
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: any place, anywhere, anytime when they were a when they

940
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: were an independent before the ACC. And we love these

941
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: intersectional games. And I do wonder if those end up

942
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: going on the chopping block because of just realities of

943
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: the situation. You know, I don't know how much the

944
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: NCBLA could potentially step in the kick in there. I

945
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: know the NCBLA pays parents ways for at least the

946
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 1: final four, if not all of them, and the NCAA

947
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: Men's basketball tournament. You know, I don't know if the

948
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: NCAA steps up more to do that with college basketball,

949
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: I don't know their jurisdiction and football to even do that.

950
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: That probably comes from the conferences. But then we go

951
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: back to if the conferences are losing television money, then

952
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: the conferences don't have that much money to potentially dole

953
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: out and give. So it's all this systemic symbiosis and

954
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: everything's intertwined and all this kind of stuff, and then

955
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: you inject a global pandemic and everything is up for grounds.

956
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: Richard. I know you're a youth. You are, you are young.

957
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 2: You are in tune more than Ty and I are

958
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 2: as washed as we are. You are you are much

959
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: better in tuned with people who are college aged, I

960
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: would say, because you just happen to be cooler and younger.

961
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 2: Does Instagram have the server room and capability to handle

962
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: the sheer number of dms that will be going on

963
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: because people are going out less and they need to

964
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 2: find someone on Friday or Saturday night on a college campus.

965
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: Oh it's I mean, the sliding has already begun. I

966
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, I wonder I hope that tinder, bumble grinder, whatever.

967
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: I hope that those servers are ready for what is

968
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: going to go on when students return to college campuses.

969
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: And you know, we talk about community spread and all

970
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff and where the virus actually spreads.

971
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 1: That is, uh, that's what we're talking about.

972
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: Also, social media snitching is going to be a thing.

973
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: We're going to start seeing. We're going to see Instagram

974
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: stories and there's going to be a player, an outside

975
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: linebacker at Minnesota, a corner from Texas A and M

976
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: that is supposedly trying to quarantine between games and all

977
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: of a sudden, they're out at a house party, they're

978
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: out at a bar outside or something like that. The

979
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 2: first social media snitch situation. We've already had it with

980
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 2: the NBA and Lou Williams going for wings in Atlanta.

981
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 2: It's a certainty, right, It's an absolute one hundred lock

982
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: to happen.

983
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: You are going to find there are going to be

984
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: some truly asinine reasons why some player ends up contracting

985
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: the virus. I mean, I know, I'm not sure if

986
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: we know when the first Marlin caught it, but I

987
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: am waiting to find out that it is just the

988
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 1: dumbest reason why a Miami Marlins player risked his health

989
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: and the health of his family and or his teammates

990
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: to do whatever activity it is that he deemed necessary

991
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: to do in the epicenter of coronavirus in the United

992
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: States of America currently, which is Floria. So you know,

993
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how there is no bounds to the

994
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: ingenuity of how coronavirus, unfortunately may spread amongst college football

995
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: players and college just college students football when students return

996
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: to campus.

997
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 3: You know what I struggle with in thinking about the season,

998
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 3: and obviously the complexities and the strange stories that will

999
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 3: no doubt be discussing here. This is a very serious

1000
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 3: situation to public health crisis. As he said, Richard, we're

1001
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 3: trying to trying to squash this virus as best we can.

1002
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 3: We all have a rooting interest we want college football

1003
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 3: to be played. But I think you're right to say

1004
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 3: that there's gonna be some really like just asinine stories

1005
00:53:55,360 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 3: that come up. I struggle with how much light I

1006
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 3: am allowed to make of some of these stories, you know,

1007
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 3: because on one hand, on one hand, it's like, this

1008
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 3: is a serious thing, you don't want people to get sick.

1009
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 3: On the other that that's so much of what we've

1010
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 3: done over the last decade here on the show. I'm

1011
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 3: still kind of struggling with how to walk that that balance.

1012
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: I like, I sincerely hope that Lou Williams and Jack

1013
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: Harlowe are healthy and that the ladies that they were

1014
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: cavorting with last week are healthy, and that the Wings

1015
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: were good, because I need to be able to make

1016
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: fun of the fact that a professional basketball player left

1017
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: Disney to go to a strip club on an off

1018
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: day when he was supposed to be quarantined. I mean,

1019
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: calm on, but if anybody's sick, we don't want to

1020
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: make fun of it. You're right, Ti, It's.

1021
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 3: Just such a such a tentative balance, and you know,

1022
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 3: I mean, hope that's not the wrong thing to ask,

1023
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 3: but it really does weigh on me when we log

1024
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 3: on to do this show every week, like, Wow, this

1025
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 3: is this is a really delicate situation.

1026
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: Approaching it from a life perspective, Yeah, sure, yeah.

1027
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: I just like some of the ways that some of

1028
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: the like I've read somebody some in New Jersey there

1029
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: was like a seven hundred person mansion party that got busted,

1030
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: and I you know, I don't know if you've heard

1031
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 1: about Dan on Long Island, there was like a chain

1032
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: smoker's concept saw that that Goldman's Axis Deo DJ, like,

1033
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: what are we doing? What? What?

1034
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 2: Supposedly it was supposed to be a car only concert,

1035
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 2: but then people got out of their cars. Who could

1036
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: have seen that coming?

1037
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: I don't know, Man.

1038
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: A couple of other I think ramifications or just stories

1039
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 2: that I think are going to be interesting to follow

1040
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 2: is we're pretty sure the coaching salary bubble has popped now, right,

1041
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: And you know, I Mel Tucker just was was the

1042
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: big last winner of the coaching salary bubble.

1043
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, congratulations. I hope to check clears for mel Tucker. Yeah,

1044
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I like, is the bubble gonna burst? I

1045
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it'll be. I think what will

1046
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: happen is it'll be more assistant salaries that you may

1047
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: see go or get chipped away. And and I should

1048
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: say if you do see coaching salaries go down, it

1049
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: may be because a coach is trying to balance and

1050
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: say I'd rather have that money in my assistant pool anyway,

1051
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: because that's what like, as you know, Alabama kind of

1052
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: led the charge with forty five analysts on the sideline.

1053
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: You know, if you're trying to keep up with the

1054
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: Joneses in that way, which is what you have to

1055
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: do to compete for national championship in this sport. Yeah,

1056
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: you know, the money's got to come from somewhere. But

1057
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 1: then I look at, uh, you know, if it's coming

1058
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: from these boosters, what's going to happen with when these

1059
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: boosters are potentially seeing their own businesses unfortunately dry up

1060
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: because of the coronavirus and its impact on the economy

1061
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: and whatever sector it is that may be happen You know,

1062
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: we all joke about what's going to happen to Texas,

1063
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: A and M if the oil industry drives up, But

1064
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: you know it's serious. You know, think about a school

1065
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: like I think about a school like FAU. Right, Fau's

1066
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of it, of its athletic department

1067
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: budget that's wrapped up in student fees. Well, what happens

1068
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: if there aren't any students on campus or if there

1069
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: are dramatically less students enrolled in the university for a semester,

1070
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 1: And then FAU goes to the state of Florida and says,

1071
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: we need some extra funds, and the State of Florida says, sorry,

1072
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: we ain't got it like that because we're trying to

1073
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: battle global pandemic. You know what happens. Then It's just

1074
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot to think about about the economics of

1075
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: of the country in general. You can't just dip into

1076
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: an endowment like it's like it's a savings account to

1077
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: save your university, you know, or to save your athletic program.

1078
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: If you could do that, Stanford would not have cut

1079
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: so many sports the other day, by.

1080
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 2: The way, could have a lot more Clay Helton situations

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Speaker 2: across the country. Teams unwilling to fire a coach they

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Speaker 2: want to fire because they have no intent of paying

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Speaker 2: a buyout they have.

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Speaker 1: They're like buy out agents agents that negotiated the thick buyouts.

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Speaker 1: That is the one thing that I will say. I

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Speaker 1: think I thought the buyout bubble was basically going to

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Speaker 1: bust anyway because we just can't keep You just can't

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Speaker 1: keep going on like this. As far as the economics

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Speaker 1: of the coaching industry, you just cannot keep doing this

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Speaker 1: with buyouts. So I think more than anything like that,

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Speaker 1: maybe another way where you see the economics crey drastically

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Speaker 1: change because when a school I'm like, yeah, like, can't

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Speaker 1: do a buyout, can't do a deal with that, with

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Speaker 1: that have a buyout in there.

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Speaker 2: By the way, a jimbo Fisher check out at Texas

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Speaker 2: A and m knowing how much money he's owed. If

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Speaker 2: he just decides that, like you know what, I'm good

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Speaker 2: and he just pulls a full office space, a full

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Speaker 2: Peter from office space in college station where he just

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Speaker 2: guts a fish at his desk in his office because

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Speaker 2: he knows they're not going to fire him. Holy hell.

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Speaker 2: And I know that people are in the back of

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Speaker 2: mind thinking are thinking that's what we did at Florida State, right,

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Speaker 2: But it's very real that a coach could full on

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Speaker 2: check out knowing they're not buying them out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I also wonder what happens with like if we

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Speaker 1: see more David Baty situations right where the school says, hey,

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Speaker 1: we need it back and we're going to manufacture an

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Speaker 1: NCAA violation to try to get it back.

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Speaker 3: Clay Helton might be there forever in this new economy.

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Speaker 1: Build a a statue, man, build him a statue.

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Speaker 2: Finess God once again. Richard Johnson, one of the co

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Speaker 2: authors with Spencer Hall, Jason Kirk, Alex Kirsch, and Tyson

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Speaker 2: Whiting of The Sinful Seven Available August first noon Eastern?

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Speaker 2: Is that what the time zone?

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Speaker 1: High?

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Speaker 2: Noon?

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Speaker 1: Hi?

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Speaker 2: Recently, you've heard obviously Richard on PAPN. You saw him

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Speaker 2: at Banner Society, Espionnation, Box Media. I don't think Richard's

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Speaker 2: going to be a free agent for very long. So

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Speaker 2: we're very excited to, hopefully sooner rather than later, figure

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Speaker 2: out what what's happening in sports media and college football media, because,

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Speaker 2: as we all know, Richard Johnson rising star Richard, thank

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Speaker 2: you very much for your time. Sinful seven dot com.

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure, boys cinfil seven dot com.

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Speaker 4: Take care man.

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Speaker 3: Thanks all right, good conversation again our good friend Richard Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Please go out and buy that book. Sinful seven looks

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Speaker 3: very interesting. You said you did buy it. I bought mine.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I bought it a long time ago. I pre ordered.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to uh to take a full gander.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely looks exciting and a lot of creative people working

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Speaker 3: on that. Yes, doing what I can to support them.

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Speaker 3: It feels good, especially in this weird time right.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. And by the way, the responses are rolling in

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Speaker 2: about the most hilariously evil cardboard cutout purchase for an

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Speaker 2: empty stadium. I don't know if we'll fully do it

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Speaker 2: today go through all of them, but Urban Meyer at

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Speaker 2: Michigan was an early one, and the surrender Cobra Kid

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Speaker 2: at Michigan during the Michigan I think it was the

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Speaker 2: Michigan State punt at the end of the game game

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Speaker 2: That one has been offered out. But we're getting a

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Speaker 2: lot of really good responses. The popcorn guy from Wazoo

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Speaker 2: to get his presence back in the stadium at Martin Stadium.

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Speaker 2: I think would be be a big, big win. I

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Speaker 2: think that would get through the censors. I think he

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Speaker 2: specifically would.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this definitely has a game day signed feel to it,

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Speaker 3: where you need to be clever enough to beat the sensors,

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Speaker 3: but at the same time not too esoteric that folks

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Speaker 3: aren't going to know what the heck you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Like Lane Kiffin's not getting through the censors in Knoxville. No, no, no, right,

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Speaker 2: that that is like one of the obvious Harvey Updyke

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Speaker 2: if you dress him up and it seems more respectable. Perhaps, Man,

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Speaker 2: there's so many, especially players who have been total Like

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Speaker 2: if you had like a Tavon Austin cut out in

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Speaker 2: the stands at Norman in Norman, I know, I think

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Speaker 2: they lost that game West Virginia to Oklahoma when he

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Speaker 2: had the huge game.

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Speaker 4: Oh here we go, Here we go.

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Speaker 3: Chris Davis in one of the Alabama end zones.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, or excuse me, kicksex.

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Speaker 4: That would be That would be so.

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Speaker 2: Many good responses. All right, a right review these next time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you again for spending some of your time

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Speaker 3: with us. We as always thank our esteem guest, mister

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Speaker 3: Richard Johnson for stopping by. Great conversation. Good to hear

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Speaker 3: from him. We'll bring him back soon. We promise. We

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Speaker 3: We are trying to reach out to as many college

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Speaker 3: football fans as humanly possible do in this show that

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Speaker 3: we love to do twice a week. We will continue

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Speaker 3: to do twice a week until to tell us we

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Speaker 3: we shouldn't do that anymore, or until we get crushing

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Speaker 3: season news. Who knows, but we have every plan to

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Speaker 3: continue on our current trajectory.

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Speaker 2: Wes Byram the Auburn kicker, who chomped, Who chomped? The Gators?

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Speaker 2: Get him at the swamp. No, no, oh no, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of good ones.

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Speaker 4: These are cold blooded.

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Speaker 2: Oh man lovey with his beard in camp Randall, that'd

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Speaker 2: be great, that'd be great in any Stadium. Frank Case

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Speaker 2: McCoy at Kyle Field, the last Texas quarterback to beat

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Speaker 2: A and M was a response from Danny, I love.

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Speaker 4: Beard is a national treasure. We need to bring that back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he can. You know what, if you can grow

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Speaker 2: a beard like that, then I don't think it's going

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Speaker 2: to take that long. He can bring it back one hundred.

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Speaker 3: Percent for that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 3: For myself, Tie hilden Brand, thanks again so much for downloading,

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Speaker 3: for listening, for playing along at home, and your support

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Speaker 3: all that stuff. It's it's great. We appreciate it. We

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Speaker 3: hope you're all doing well.

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Speaker 4: We will talk to you all in a few days.

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Speaker 3: In the meantime, stay solid, peace,