Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Michelle Obama says Donald Trump is
Speaker 1: in clear mental decline.
Speaker 2: She's not wrong.
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Speaker 1: Lincoln Projects. Rick Wilson joins us to discuss early voting
Speaker 1: and why we should be optimistic. Then we'll talk to
Speaker 1: New Mexico's own Attorney General, Raoul Torres about his lawsuit
Speaker 1: against Meta.
Speaker 2: But first the news.
Speaker 3: So Bally, we're going to start off today by torturing
Speaker 3: the audience by making the listen to Joe Rogan. And
Speaker 3: I will not be shocked if this is our lowest
Speaker 3: traded episode ever for doing.
Speaker 4: That to them.
Speaker 2: Quid pro Oh, no, let's go.
Speaker 3: This is Donald Trump who appeared on Joe Rogan. For
Speaker 3: people who do not know, I'll say so.
Speaker 5: There was a congressman years before I ran, and I
Speaker 5: was very close to him, and I need did a
Speaker 5: license on something, and he was very important in getting
Speaker 5: a license. But it was a little bit controversial it
Speaker 5: the license this particular thing that was being licensed. But
Speaker 5: I was close to this guy and helped him and
Speaker 5: everything else, and I went to him. I said, I'd
Speaker 5: like to have your help, and he said, let me
Speaker 5: take a look at it.
Speaker 6: I said, oh, that's not too good.
Speaker 5: But I really hope you did have anyway, he tapped
Speaker 5: me along for a long period of time and ultimately
Speaker 5: didn't do it. And I said, you are a stiff.
Speaker 5: You could have done this thing so easy, et cetera.
Speaker 5: But it was controversial. He was in cump me.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I mean, whatever the fuck that means. Look,
Speaker 1: donald Trump quit pro quote, he got impeached.
Speaker 2: For it once.
Speaker 1: I don't know he wanted a congressman to do that.
Speaker 1: By the way, whoever that congressman is, I mean, luckily
Speaker 1: Donald Trump can't remember what.
Speaker 6: The speculation is.
Speaker 3: It's former Congressman Trolie Ragul, who was known as one
Speaker 3: of the most corrupt congressmen.
Speaker 1: It is time there, well within the range of possibility.
Speaker 1: But at least Charlie wasn't corrupt enough to do what
Speaker 1: Donald Trump wanted, and for that we must be grateful.
Speaker 1: There were a number of things that in those three
Speaker 1: hours with Joe Rogan where Donald Trump be clowned himself.
Speaker 2: Let's get to the.
Speaker 1: Tape of Donald Trump amusing about having been on.
Speaker 6: Oprah oprah show, she was encouraging you.
Speaker 5: Last week I did one of her last shows. I
Speaker 5: think maybe Thursday or there was a big deal being
Speaker 5: on Oprah's show, the last one, and I was like
Speaker 5: one of the last shows in that final week.
Speaker 1: Oprah's last show was May twenty fifth, two thousand and eleven,
Speaker 1: not last week.
Speaker 3: About Thursday or Friday, which also he taped this on
Speaker 3: a Saturday, so that would have been the day before
Speaker 3: or the day before that.
Speaker 2: Yes, that was not Oprah's last show.
Speaker 1: Interesting still though, Donald Trump again Joe Rogan tried to
Speaker 1: get Donald Trump to say that he wouldn't use the
Speaker 1: military against other Americans. He continued to decline. He drove
Speaker 1: it home that ultimately his whole goal is to, you know,
Speaker 1: deport huge quantities of people because illegal aliens are the
Speaker 1: problem this country has. Well you know what, Jesse, what
Speaker 1: there's some illegal aliens who are causing problems.
Speaker 3: Will you discuss the calls are coming from inside the house,
Speaker 3: one might say that.
Speaker 2: Or inside the Twitter, as the case may be.
Speaker 3: There is a new report out about Elon Musk and
Speaker 3: his brother being illegal in this country for a period.
Speaker 6: What did you see it to here?
Speaker 1: Molly watching post which everyone is mad at right now,
Speaker 1: reports that Elon Musk briefly worked illegally in the nineteen
Speaker 1: nineties in the United States. He denied the report because
Speaker 1: he's Elon. He said he was on a J one visa,
Speaker 1: which transitioned into an H one B visa. But you know,
Speaker 1: Elon Musk is known for not being, you know, a
Speaker 1: totally straight shooter, so who the fuck knows. But the
Speaker 1: irony here is pretty rich.
Speaker 3: Somalia, I know, I'm really pushing our listeners today. After
Speaker 3: playing Joe Rogan, I'm now going to read a David
Speaker 3: Sachs tweet.
Speaker 2: David Sachs, for those of you who don't know, is.
Speaker 1: A South African billionaire, not to be confused with Elon Musk,
Speaker 1: also very far right and has very little to recommend
Speaker 1: him except he's very.
Speaker 3: Very rich host of a terrible podcast, we might add.
Speaker 3: Here's what Sachs had to say. The major broadcast networks ABC, CBS,
Speaker 3: NBC operate on free licenses of public spectrum in exchange
Speaker 3: for requirements to serve the public interest. They no longer do,
Speaker 3: and this is an obsolete model anyway. The spectrum should
Speaker 3: be auctioned off, with the proceeds used to pay down
Speaker 3: the national debt. Of course, the networks can bid on
Speaker 3: the spectrum, and they will win if broadcast networks are
Speaker 3: still the most highly valued use. What's more likely to
Speaker 3: happen is that valuable spectrum will be reapportioned to the
Speaker 3: next generation of wireless applications, unleashing many more interesting options
Speaker 3: for consumers and business. The networks could continue to operate
Speaker 3: on cable like one hundred some other redundant chills.
Speaker 2: Whatever, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: These dumb fucking immigrants ruining our country.
Speaker 6: You mus quote treated this and said, great idea.
Speaker 1: So David Zax wants to make it so that cable
Speaker 1: companies can't broadcast because they hate free speech. It turns
Speaker 1: out these fucking guys hate free speech. Two aliens, I guess,
Speaker 1: neither illegal anymore, both billionaires Elon's made tons of money
Speaker 1: on government subsidies. Both of them would like to end
Speaker 1: free speech. Elect Donald Trump and deport millions and millions
Speaker 1: of people. Are we surprised? Maybe not so. Jesse and
Speaker 1: I decided to do a little quick segment after Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's German American Madison Square Garden German influenced German American
Speaker 1: Bund influence Madison Square Garden rally a mirror eighty three
Speaker 1: years later. The characters are different, but the rhetoric remains
Speaker 1: very similar.
Speaker 3: Like always, he's just repeating his father's best traits.
Speaker 1: So my hottest take is that. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if this was a plan or not, but Stephen Miller
Speaker 1: had a line that came directly from the KKK And
Speaker 1: actually I looked it up afterwards and it's the name
Speaker 1: make America America again is actually the name of a
Speaker 1: KKK pamphlet. It's called America for Americans KKK on the
Speaker 1: cover and has a clansman. So Stephen Miller is Jewish,
Speaker 1: so there were the clan were not fans of the Jews.
Speaker 1: But he did in fact say that he wanted that
Speaker 1: America was for Americans only, America for Americans and Americans only,
Speaker 1: which is also derivative of the German slogan only for
Speaker 1: German which Germans, which was used during World War Two
Speaker 1: against people like Steven Miller.
Speaker 2: Make it make sense him.
Speaker 3: Being influenced by pamphlets like that is not a shocking revelation.
Speaker 2: We're in a moment here where so.
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan affiliated comedian Tony Hinchcliff, He's one of his buddies,
Speaker 3: was the opener, and he did a lot of what
Speaker 3: one might call humor if one didn't know what humor was,
Speaker 3: where he said such things as.
Speaker 1: Well, he said that you don't even need to hear it.
Speaker 1: It's some fucking guy that no one's ever heard of.
Speaker 6: Or I guess you've heard that. If you're into comedy,
Speaker 6: you've heard of Tony Hinchcliff.
Speaker 2: Okay, well I've never heard of him.
Speaker 1: But if you're into Joe Rogan, you've heard of Tony Hinchcliff.
Speaker 1: So that fucking guy said that Puerto Rico is an
Speaker 1: island of garbage.
Speaker 3: So this led to Bad Buddy endorsing Kamala Harris, which
Speaker 3: I know a lot of our listeners will not be
Speaker 3: familiar with the reggaeton artists Bad Buddy, but Bad Bunny is.
Speaker 2: He's pretty famous.
Speaker 3: He's well, what's more interesting is he is always in
Speaker 3: the top ten of biggest musicians worldwide. And the other
Speaker 3: thing is is he is very beloved for being altruistic
Speaker 3: in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 6: And like many people said, like the Taylor swift. They
Speaker 6: very big.
Speaker 3: This for a culture of people that maybe some of
Speaker 3: our listeners are not around. This is a very huge
Speaker 3: cultural moment because he really is seen as a virtuous person.
Speaker 1: And also after that, Jlo and Ricky Martin immediately endorsed
Speaker 1: Harris too. I want to just for a second read
Speaker 1: the statistics of Puerto Ricans by state in this country.
Speaker 1: Four hundred and fifty k. That's almost half a million
Speaker 1: Puerto Ricans in the state of Pennsylvania. North Carolina has
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand Puerto Ricans, Wisconsin sixty five thousand, Michigan
Speaker 1: fifty thousand, Florida one point one million, and New York
Speaker 1: one million Puerto Ricans.
Speaker 2: Not an insignificant number of people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they are trying to pretend, oh, it was
Speaker 3: just a joke. But Trump Junior, one of the policy guys,
Speaker 3: a the Trump kip, he of course, retweeted it like
Speaker 3: it was awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Donald Trump Junior, you may remember him from being
Speaker 1: an abject more on. But there was also another line too,
Speaker 1: where one of them said, Latinos love making babies.
Speaker 2: It was a lot of vitriol. Also, someone said.
Speaker 1: One of those speakers said that Hillary Clinton was the
Speaker 1: sixth son of a bitch and the whole fucking party
Speaker 1: a bunch of degenerate low lives to.
Speaker 2: Haters and lowlives every one of them.
Speaker 1: So a lot of pretty awful rhetoric. And of course
Speaker 1: USA today, Trump sticks to economy, immigration and closing pitch
Speaker 1: in Addison Square.
Speaker 6: Message always be seene washing, so not.
Speaker 2: Surprising, but he is upsetting. That's it for this episode
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Speaker 4: Hey Bali junk Fast Back as always for more hygiens
Speaker 4: and frivolity.
Speaker 1: Nine days, nine days, so it'll be eight when people
Speaker 1: are listening to this. So where are you? Where am I?
Speaker 1: Where are any of us today?
Speaker 4: Look, we are at this moment very close to a scenario.
Speaker 4: I know people are going to yell at me for
Speaker 4: saying this, but I'm beginning to think we're going to
Speaker 4: have a bigger win than not legitimately beginning to believe
Speaker 4: that the overarching chaos around Trump has reduced a lot
Speaker 4: of the viability that he had. I don't think he's
Speaker 4: improved a situation at all, and I'm here for that.
Speaker 2: So explain to me what is making you think that.
Speaker 4: Again, as we talked about last time, I am watching
Speaker 4: these early voting numbers, and the more of these early
Speaker 4: voting waves that are showing up in the reporting from
Speaker 4: early votes, the more women we see turning out to
Speaker 4: vote early, the more expansive the lead becomes. I mean,
Speaker 4: we're at a point now where Donald Trump is going
Speaker 4: to have to pull off a massive, massive election day
Speaker 4: male vote that has thus far not been out there
Speaker 4: at the scale he's going to need. And those low
Speaker 4: propensity voters that he relies on, those ones and twos
Speaker 4: he relies on, we're not in that world right now.
Speaker 4: They're not the ones and twos are not driving so
Speaker 4: far from what we're able to see in the in
Speaker 4: the turnout equation.
Speaker 2: How do you see that? Can you explain it a
Speaker 2: little more?
Speaker 4: I think that there's a part of the universe of
Speaker 4: Trump that they are trying to bullshit Democrats into panicking.
Speaker 4: It's working, by the way.
Speaker 2: You know me, I'm always panicking.
Speaker 4: You do like a good fret as they say, yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes is word ju is. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: what we do. This is our eighties.
Speaker 2: I do, I do it.
Speaker 4: But I'm telling you we're not right now in the
Speaker 4: same world that we were in. I still go back
Speaker 4: to this, these early numbers, as Stuart steven says, he goes,
Speaker 4: you know, all the polling is based on modeling of
Speaker 4: prior elections.
Speaker 2: That is true, right for sure.
Speaker 4: But early voting numbers are empirical. They are not backward
Speaker 4: looking models. They are not speculative. They are empirical. I
Speaker 4: look at the way that the early vote is turning
Speaker 4: so far, and I am fine with it. Would I
Speaker 4: like everything to be perfect all the time? Sure? Would
Speaker 4: I like her to be twelve points ahead? Absolutely? Do
Speaker 4: I need her to be twelve points ahead? I do not.
Speaker 1: And Republicans are early voting, which they didn't. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a sort of different elector and showing up right
Speaker 1: now to early voting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the twenty twenty election, because of COVID
Speaker 4: was a truly distorted early voting model. We will never
Speaker 4: have that model again, you know, God.
Speaker 2: Willing right, hopefully.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but as we look at where we're standing today again,
Speaker 4: I'd much rather be in our shoes than theirs. I'd
Speaker 4: much rather be a campaign that has all the resources
Speaker 4: it needs to.
Speaker 2: Spend billion dollars.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and right now that is not the Trump campaign.
Speaker 4: I'd might s rather have a campaign that has a
Speaker 4: field program run by trained professionals rather than Elon Musk.
Speaker 2: And also that long haired guy, the walk Away guy.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, Brandon Struka.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy seems great.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's a deeply experienced campaign pro. I mean,
Speaker 4: everybody wakes up in the morning and goes, hey, you
Speaker 4: know who we need in this campaign is Brandon Straka.
Speaker 1: And what about Charlie Kirk? Can we have a minute
Speaker 1: for Charlie Kirk, the guy whose entire career is based
Speaker 1: on the fact that he didn't get into college.
Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk and the Turning Point USA program, what they've
Speaker 4: done is they've become a conduit for a bunch of
Speaker 4: dark money from a bunch of Republican billionaires. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: You heard the story. And Charlie Kirk, as we all know,
Speaker 4: He is not a bright man, right, He's not even
Speaker 4: a moderately smart man. He is profoundly and relentlessly stupid.
Speaker 4: And because of that relentless stupidity, you know this group
Speaker 4: that he's built, which basically, by the way, let's all
Speaker 4: understand what Turning Point really is. Charlie Kirk could not
Speaker 4: get laid in a tie whorehouse with just full of hundreds,
Speaker 4: so he built this organization because he wanted to pussy.
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus Christ, I even correct.
Speaker 2: I'd love to you. You are wrong.
Speaker 1: He didn't get into college, so he got so mad
Speaker 1: that he started a conservative organization to try to protect
Speaker 1: mediocre white guys who can't go to get into college.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure this is about sex.
Speaker 4: No, it's it's listen, everything's about sex.
Speaker 3: The alternate theory is, you remember when he went to
Speaker 3: the hospital, he's always surrounded by teenage boys just saying,
Speaker 3: oh my.
Speaker 2: God, the two of you.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's a lot of evidence.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying. The original name of Turning Point USA
Speaker 4: was how Swatt.
Speaker 1: No, I don't want to go to jail for either
Speaker 1: of you. Listen to me, You're going to go two
Speaker 1: point five million early votes cast so far in seven
Speaker 1: sweating states, nine hundred and fifty two thousand more women
Speaker 1: voted than men.
Speaker 4: What's being challenged here right now is a fundamental reality, okay,
Speaker 4: and that reality is the impiriculator from the early turnout
Speaker 4: is very very favorable to Kamala Harris. Okay, very very
Speaker 4: very favorable. You've got I think in the polling you've
Speaker 4: seen a high overscoring of Republicans. In the turnout you're seeing,
Speaker 4: I think something that's going to be much more reflective
Speaker 4: of election day. There used to be this conception that
Speaker 4: early voters were a different creature than election day voters.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's the case anymore. I don't think
Speaker 4: that works the same way anymore on election day. In
Speaker 4: my view, if women haven't come out to vote early,
Speaker 4: they're going to flood the zone on election day. And
Speaker 4: it is going I am beginning to God, I'm going
Speaker 4: to jinx myself saying this, I am beginning to feel
Speaker 4: like that of the three scenarios, right, of the three scenarios,
Speaker 4: narrow Harris win, narrow Trump win, Harris blowout, there is
Speaker 4: no Trump blowout scenario right now in the numbers.
Speaker 2: Okay, and there never has been right. He can't. He's
Speaker 2: not a blowout. He is a ceiling.
Speaker 4: If it happens, it is not based on any kind
Speaker 4: of math that we're seeing. If I'm wrong about it,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to feel bad for being wrong, because
Speaker 4: it will be something such a it would be such
Speaker 4: a weird externality that no one can spot. And look,
Speaker 4: I am a reasonably smart.
Speaker 2: Dog, many people are saying, and I have and I.
Speaker 4: Have a lot of but I have a lot of
Speaker 4: people who are smarter than me by an order of magnitude.
Speaker 4: About the math and the numbers and the polling. They
Speaker 4: are pretty sanguine right now that the blowout number may
Speaker 4: be increasing in probability. That doesn't mean it's a That
Speaker 4: doesn't mean it's going to happen. That doesn't mean it's
Speaker 4: it's the highest likelihood of happening. But there are a
Speaker 4: lot of models right now that show the margins for
Speaker 4: Harris opening up because of the voter data we're looking
Speaker 4: at coming out of early voting and ballot requests. It's
Speaker 4: a sign of two things. A sign she has a
Speaker 4: field program for one that's doing the work okay. And
Speaker 4: there's a sign that the averages you're seeing on five
Speaker 4: point thirty eight and real clear and.
Speaker 2: Are have been juiced by GEOP pollsters.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, right, other polling aggregators are now going to
Speaker 4: diverge more and more from the data we're seeing come
Speaker 4: out of the early vote. Those models are not set
Speaker 4: to include the early voting data. They don't model that.
Speaker 4: They model polls only. They don't have and they model
Speaker 4: prior election data only. They don't have this data as
Speaker 4: part of their model. The bullshit markets poly market and
Speaker 4: clock Calshee and all that, it's all garbage. Ignore it,
Speaker 4: ignore it, ignore it. But look, I don't think you're
Speaker 4: going to see as many split ticket voters as were
Speaker 4: previously modeled. The split ticket theories say that three times fast.
Speaker 4: I think it's kind of falling apart a little bit.
Speaker 4: You're seeing that there aren't going to be a lot
Speaker 4: of people who vote for Mark Robinson in North Carolina.
Speaker 4: It's going to drag him down. He's down forty four
Speaker 4: points among women at my last point, forty four points
Speaker 4: among women. How are you going to do that? Market?
Speaker 4: I think he's going to lose by eighteen to twenty points,
Speaker 4: maybe a little more.
Speaker 2: Is it bragging?
Speaker 1: About maybe sleeping with your wife's sister that is not
Speaker 1: appealing to women voters, or is it something else.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Calling yourself black Hitler might have had
Speaker 4: a part of it. Women don't really love Hitler either,
Speaker 4: but I think that's that's a part of it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I had to introduced the words dookie, shoot to our.
Speaker 1: Let the record show I am making a disgusted face.
Speaker 1: With as little movement as my face has, it's still
Speaker 1: able to be horrified by that.
Speaker 4: So here's the other thing I think is happening here
Speaker 4: right now, and again, this is the toughest unicorn to
Speaker 4: hunt in the forest. I think right now we are
Speaker 4: seeing undecided voters right now. I'm going to make a
Speaker 4: quick prediction. If they're an undecided voter right now, about
Speaker 4: sixty five percent of them are going to split to
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: Okay, so Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: It's the Hitler stupid.
Speaker 1: As J Carver would say, Donald Trump did ten thousand
Speaker 1: hours with the Joe Rogan in which they discussed My
Speaker 1: favorite thing about that interview is that Joe Rogan did
Speaker 1: the same thing that John Hannity did, the same thing
Speaker 1: that any interviewer who wants Trump to be less disinh
Speaker 1: inhibited than he is. He said, you don't really want
Speaker 1: to jail Nancy Pelosi.
Speaker 2: And Donald Trump said.
Speaker 4: There are many people who have been very mean to me. No,
Speaker 4: he said, you know, Donald, you didn't really they didn't
Speaker 4: really steal the election from you. It was that's not real,
Speaker 4: is it? And of course Trump couldn't fucking help himself.
Speaker 4: And that is something that we know in some of
Speaker 4: this some of the stuff of these softer Republican voters,
Speaker 4: they're like, Okay, I'm sick of the I'm sick of
Speaker 4: the bullshit. He lost the election January sixth. They don't
Speaker 4: like it. But you know, Joe Rogan is supposed to
Speaker 4: appeal to young men. Yeah, he's supposed to appeal to
Speaker 4: young men. And yes, young men may well vote for
Speaker 4: Donald Trump. That's okay. You know, eighteen to thirty men
Speaker 4: are gonna are going to probably give Trump a fifty
Speaker 4: five percent.
Speaker 1: Split the nine of them. It's not a huge voting book.
Speaker 4: But young women eighteen to thirty are going to give
Speaker 4: Harris like an eighty twenty split. And look an independent voters.
Speaker 4: We're starting to see independent voters in the early states. Okay,
Speaker 4: they have shifted toward Harris. Some states a little bit,
Speaker 4: some states a lot, some states demnimous, but they are
Speaker 4: shifting toward Harris. I mean, look, and I'll just give
Speaker 4: you one example. Independence in Arizona in twenty twenty eleven
Speaker 4: it was an eleven point difference between Biden and Trump.
Speaker 4: Right now, Independence in Arizona are pulling at about what
Speaker 4: our number is about a seventeen point difference between between
Speaker 4: Harris and Trump. Really, if Independence end up popping over
Speaker 4: at those scales and those numbers are much smaller in
Speaker 4: other states, that's just one that I happened.
Speaker 2: That's hug. Those are huge numbers, those.
Speaker 4: Trend lines with independence, If they break with those proportions,
Speaker 4: we're gonna have a much more interesting race. I will
Speaker 4: tell you. I heard from a Florida polster on Friday
Speaker 4: night who said to me, he goes. A month ago,
Speaker 4: I would have told you Trump would blow the state
Speaker 4: out with ten points. Now I think he wins by
Speaker 4: three or four. Look, I don't think we have enough
Speaker 4: time for that trend line to hit zero for Trump.
Speaker 4: But look, no campaign is ever going to wake up
Speaker 4: in the morning and go, hey, we're bullshitting you. We're losing.
Speaker 4: Trump is outstanding, okay at bullshitting people that he's winning,
Speaker 4: and his people are going to believe it.
Speaker 1: And it's better for him to say he's winning, because
Speaker 1: he's going to say it was rigged.
Speaker 2: Either way, that's correct.
Speaker 4: He is here to tell you it was stolen, it
Speaker 4: was rigged, it was this, it was that. And nothing
Speaker 4: will change Donald Trump's insistence on playing the game. That
Speaker 4: will lead to violence, and that will lead to misery
Speaker 4: in this country in ways to quote Donald Trump that
Speaker 4: we've never seen before.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think if we're going to take something
Speaker 1: to be worried about from this conversation, and everyone needs
Speaker 1: to vote, and everyone needs to canvas. And I saw
Speaker 1: Dan Nathan. I was on TV with Dan Nathan the
Speaker 1: other day, and he's going to Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: You know the.
Speaker 1: Number of affluent New Yorkers who are in Pennsylvania. There's
Speaker 1: more of them in Pennsylvania than there are people in
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania at this point.
Speaker 4: The number of people who have flooded the zone, including
Speaker 4: a lot of the young staff at Lincoln are over
Speaker 4: in Pennsylvania. Dock in doors this weekend because look, a
Speaker 4: lot of our work is done at this point. Our
Speaker 4: missiles are in the silos, they're ready to launch. We've
Speaker 4: got the ads are pretty much done. The fundraising expressional yeah,
Speaker 4: politically right. No, I actually have nuclear weapons in mind.
Speaker 4: I tell you I want you to be the first
Speaker 4: to know that my nuclear weapons pro does that long
Speaker 4: last come to fruition?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: But look, and I also am watching the favorability as
Speaker 4: we always talk about. She is more favorable than Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: That's just it. She has higher faves than Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: and those higher faves are going to be something that
Speaker 4: saves the day. Look, her faves in Florida now are
Speaker 4: tied with Trump. Same person told me that that there
Speaker 4: faves in Florida are now tied.
Speaker 2: Phrase that is in now.
Speaker 4: That doesn't mean she's going to win. It just means
Speaker 4: that their faves are tied.
Speaker 2: Right. I think that that's a really good point.
Speaker 1: I would love you to just for two seconds talk
Speaker 1: about North Carolina because a member the Freedom Caucus said, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: can you talk us through that? Because I feel like
Speaker 1: that's something voters hate.
Speaker 4: Voters are not fans of preemptive declarations of victory by
Speaker 4: either party and.
Speaker 2: Also disenfranchising them.
Speaker 1: So this North Carolina Republican from the Freedo chair of
Speaker 1: the Freedom Caucus said, because of the hurricane, they should
Speaker 1: just award all the electoral votes to Donald Trump. It
Speaker 1: reminds me of the situation in Nebraska, Nebraska's second district,
Speaker 1: where Republicans decided to steal their electoral vote and now
Speaker 1: they are fucking pissed.
Speaker 2: Continue.
Speaker 4: First off, the Freedom Caucus is a caucus, but has
Speaker 4: nothing to do with freedom. They are the authoritarian wing
Speaker 4: of the authoritarian Party, the militant wing of the authoritarian Party.
Speaker 4: And the fact that they're out claiming that anything should
Speaker 4: just be preemptively handed to Donald Trump. That's the fucking
Speaker 4: Bath Party in Iraq, right, That's not any party in America.
Speaker 4: So dom has won with a one and fourteen percent mudgin.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, I.
Speaker 2: Haven't thought of the Bath Party in like a decade.
Speaker 2: That's so weird.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, go on, thank you for that blast from
Speaker 1: the past.
Speaker 4: You're very welcome the idea that you preemptively award a
Speaker 4: state to Donald Trump for any purpose whatsoever. I promise you.
Speaker 4: If let's just say this, if Gavin Newsom came out
Speaker 4: and said, well, California's an inevitability, we know what's going
Speaker 4: to happen here, so we're just gonna go ahead and
Speaker 4: preemptively declare that Trump cannot win our state. Fox would
Speaker 4: be mobilizing every goddamn reporter in America for communism twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four, the California Republic of Communists, bla blah. We're
Speaker 4: not in a country, thankfully yet, where this sort of
Speaker 4: thing is acceptable where voters go, oh yeah, well, that's
Speaker 4: exactly how it works. Is some dipshit neck beard from
Speaker 4: North Carolina goes out of Claire's that the world is
Speaker 4: Trump's all, praise the great leader. That's not how it works.
Speaker 4: She is, I think petitive in North Carolina. I still
Speaker 4: believe that the western North Carolina, the devastation out there,
Speaker 4: is going to drive down Republican turnout. We've got a
Speaker 4: campaign nationally, it's got about a four point advantage for
Speaker 4: her right now. She's ahead on a couple of big
Speaker 4: issues that I watch and care about in national polling,
Speaker 4: looking out for the middle class and protecting democracy. I
Speaker 4: think those underpin the groups she needs to win, like
Speaker 4: she needs to win these Cheney Republicans, these Haley Republicans,
Speaker 4: these Lincoln Project Republicans. She needs to win those people,
Speaker 4: and by being stronger on democracy, that's a real plus
Speaker 4: for her. Trump's even only ahead, by the way on crime.
Speaker 4: Depending on the poll you're looking at between two and
Speaker 4: seven percent on crime.
Speaker 2: Well, he did a lot of crime.
Speaker 1: Two things, One is that watching Biden apologize to Indigenous
Speaker 1: people feels like a meaningful and important because Indigenous people
Speaker 1: have been so mistreated by this country, and be also
Speaker 1: perhaps thoughtful and political.
Speaker 4: The in number of Indigenous people nationally is not something
Speaker 4: you look at, go okay, the election's going to rise
Speaker 4: or fall on this. However, the in number of Indigenous
Speaker 4: people in Nevada and in Arizona, and in Nebraska, and
Speaker 4: in Wisconsin and in Michigan is not trivial. This, I
Speaker 4: think is an example of the right politics and the
Speaker 4: right policy coming together at one moment. Actually, I haven't
Speaker 4: polled Native Americans at all. I just haven't.
Speaker 2: It's very hard to do right too well.
Speaker 4: Right, it's every saying we've had an hour package because
Speaker 4: they're not the demo that we're trying to move, and
Speaker 4: they have traditionally been more democratic but less interested in
Speaker 4: the last couple of cycles.
Speaker 2: Though they were meaningful in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: Right, But I was just gonna say, but I do
Speaker 4: want to point out that in twenty twenty they made
Speaker 4: a difference. So we've got a lot of politics inside
Speaker 4: the politics right now. Harris's campaign I think is running
Speaker 4: very very well. I think it's a strikingly stronger campaign
Speaker 4: than it's democratic skeptics in the beginning have figured out.
Speaker 4: And I'm happy about that in one way because specifically
Speaker 4: because I look at the mechanics of the campaigns, I
Speaker 4: look at the abilities of the campaigns. Right now, Donald
Speaker 4: Trump is you know, he's doing three thousand person arenas,
Speaker 4: five thousand person arenas. She's doing twenty five thousand person arenas.
Speaker 4: He's getting guys who actually had their songs on k
Speaker 4: Tel records. Great as it's in nineteen eighty nine. Meant
Speaker 4: she's getting Beyonce. So a lot of these things I
Speaker 4: think are really meaningful. That how the campaigns are running
Speaker 4: and being run, to me, that's a big deal. That's
Speaker 4: important to me. How those things are functioning. And her
Speaker 4: campaign is functioning at a very high level. His campaign
Speaker 4: is not functioning at any level. You know, but look
Speaker 4: Trump Trump's superpower is he never needed a real campaign
Speaker 4: when Hillary was sort of off the radar for the
Speaker 4: last two weeks of the campaign and getting by Jim Comey,
Speaker 4: and he didn't think he needed a real campaign against
Speaker 4: Joe Biden. They thought this would be a race where
Speaker 4: it was only going to be Joe Biden is too
Speaker 4: old and also elderly and also ancient, and that that
Speaker 4: was going to give him some sort of, you know,
Speaker 4: clean shot at an easy win. Well, that is not
Speaker 4: the campaign we're in now. And then the fact that
Speaker 4: Chris Losovita got paid twenty two million dollars to do
Speaker 4: this job, which is the greatest scam anybody's ever pulled
Speaker 4: on Donald Trump by far by order of magnitude. It's amazing,
Speaker 4: and their campaign is in chaos.
Speaker 2: Rick Wilson, Molly Jong.
Speaker 4: Fast, That's always a pleasure.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Raoul Torres is the Attorney General of New Mexico.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast Politics.
Speaker 1: A G.
Speaker 2: Torres, thanks for having me. You are in New Mexico.
Speaker 4: I am you.
Speaker 2: Are the attorney's general.
Speaker 1: We are ten days from perhaps the most important election
Speaker 1: of our lifetime. I feel like Republicans have used attorneys
Speaker 1: generals in crazy ways over the last decade.
Speaker 2: How do you sort of make it sense to us?
Speaker 7: The attorneys general serve as the chief legal officer for
Speaker 7: the respective states that they serve in, and for the
Speaker 7: majority of American history they played a pretty limited role
Speaker 7: in both representing state agencies or filing actions on behalf
Speaker 7: of the state civil actions.
Speaker 2: Some of us.
Speaker 7: Also have concurrent criminal jurisdiction. I'm formerly the elected district
Speaker 7: attorney here in Albuquerque, so I come from that background
Speaker 7: as a prosecutor, but we don't have direct criminal jurisdiction.
Speaker 4: But over the last ten.
Speaker 7: Or fifteen years, ags have evolved to take on increasingly,
Speaker 7: i would say, impactful roles in shaping national policy through litigation.
Speaker 7: You've seen it in the Republican side when they file
Speaker 7: actions to oppose various things that have been undertaken by
Speaker 7: the Biden administration or the Obama administration. The same is
Speaker 7: also true for the Democratic Attorneys general. Was it in
Speaker 7: this role at this time at that time, but my
Speaker 7: colleagues who were serving during the first Trump administration filed
Speaker 7: a number of actions to protect voting rights, environmental rights,
Speaker 7: access to reproductive healthcare, in engaging important sort of domestic
Speaker 7: and international policy issues. And so these offices have increasingly
Speaker 7: become a place where national policy gets filtered through the courtrooms.
Speaker 7: And what you've seen is that while we live in
Speaker 7: this sort of polarized world where Congress is sort of
Speaker 7: stuck in place and very little of real significance, seems
Speaker 7: to be able to move as quickly through that through
Speaker 7: the legislative process as it used to. A lot of
Speaker 7: the change that you see on both sides of the
Speaker 7: equation and to originate oftentimes in ag offices around the country.
Speaker 1: So talk to me about forever chemicals, because that's one
Speaker 1: of the ways in which you're doing so. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you think about like the Texas Age is doing freeziness, here,
Speaker 1: you guys on the left are doing something that's actually useful.
Speaker 2: So talk us through that.
Speaker 7: A lot of ags from around the country, including I
Speaker 7: think some of my Republican counterparts, but definitely a lot
Speaker 7: of my Democratic counterparts, we have filed actions against the
Speaker 7: manufacturers of PFASs or what are commonly referred to as
Speaker 7: forever chemicals for people who don't really know what that is.
Speaker 7: It's a unique kind of chemical compound that has been
Speaker 7: used in consumer products on everything from the grease resistant
Speaker 7: lining of pizza boxes, in Hamburger wrapping all the way
Speaker 7: to carpets and everything else.
Speaker 2: Well, lo and behold.
Speaker 7: These corporations have known four years and years that many
Speaker 7: of these compounds are cancer causing. They have really serious
Speaker 7: side effects. They have been included in firefighting foam. We've
Speaker 7: had real horrific disclosure of firefighters, first responders and others
Speaker 7: who've been exposed to that foam, who've been armed and
Speaker 7: so we have filed an action against the manufacturers, and
Speaker 7: we have been joined by different ages from across the
Speaker 7: country that are doing the same. But it's the kind
Speaker 7: of thing that we as AGS have been engaging for
Speaker 7: quite some time. AGS first started to really litigate in
Speaker 7: this space in the era of big tobacco, and it
Speaker 7: was concerted and at that time by partisan effort on
Speaker 7: the part of Attorney's General to get the big tobacco
Speaker 7: companies to own up to what they had done in
Speaker 7: terms of marketing and known dangerous and addictive substance, and
Speaker 7: to start paying for the harm that they had costed
Speaker 7: the American people.
Speaker 1: These are really important lawsuits, and for me, you know,
Speaker 1: as the cover job done with environmental stuff, one of
Speaker 1: the really things that have made me so has made
Speaker 1: me so despondent, is the way the federal government has
Speaker 1: refused to regulate every thing from food to fuel. I
Speaker 1: mean just really given up on even trying to hold
Speaker 1: big companies accountable. And one of the most infuriating is
Speaker 1: their inability or total disinterest in regulating technology.
Speaker 2: You filed the case against Meta talk us through that.
Speaker 7: Yes, so we've actually filed two pretty significant lawsuits. We
Speaker 7: filed an action against Meta last year, focusing in on
Speaker 7: both Facebook and Instagram for doing two things. Basically, The
Speaker 7: first is marketing a product and building and delivering a
Speaker 7: product that they know is harmful to the psychological health
Speaker 7: and mental health of young people. We have growing awareness
Speaker 7: about the impact of excessive social media use on anxiety, depression,
Speaker 7: the ways in which it leads to self image issues,
Speaker 7: particularly for young women and girls, and increase in team suicide,
Speaker 7: and those other issues. About forty three or forty four
Speaker 7: other attorneys general across the country filed and action focused
Speaker 7: almost exclusively on those psychological harms. We included in our
Speaker 7: complaint allegations of that same kind of behavior, but in
Speaker 7: part because of my background as a child abuse prosecutor
Speaker 7: and an Internet crimes prosecutor, we were acutely focused on
Speaker 7: predation and the way in which these platforms not just
Speaker 7: allow for predators to identify, groom and target children online,
Speaker 7: but the algorithms and the structure of the platforms actually
Speaker 7: facilitates and amplifies the ability of these platforms to connect
Speaker 7: children and young users that the companies know and have
Speaker 7: and actually count on being on these platforms Because there
Speaker 7: is a market incentive there is a financial incentive for
Speaker 7: them to get young users hooked on these platforms so
Speaker 7: that they can market, you know, consumer goods and use
Speaker 7: that revenue to build and expand the company. But what
Speaker 7: has been I think sort of underreported and certainly largely
Speaker 7: unrecognized by parents and policymakers is the way in which
Speaker 7: the algorithm itself and the platform itself will connect people
Speaker 7: with their particular interests. And so what that means is
Speaker 7: every company builds a digital profile of every user on
Speaker 7: the platform. The more you use it, then the more
Speaker 7: they understand what your preferences are. For ninety nine percent
Speaker 7: of the users, that means understanding their preferences for a
Speaker 7: sneeker or for going on a particular type of vacation,
Speaker 7: or reading a particular type of book. That's the business
Speaker 7: model that sits behind what is a free downloadable app
Speaker 7: on the phone. The value proposition is in connecting people
Speaker 7: with their unique interests, but the problem lies in the
Speaker 7: fact that it will also connect people who have a
Speaker 7: sexual interest in children with children that they know or
Speaker 7: on the platform. It is the scale of the harm
Speaker 7: that has been known to these companies for years that
Speaker 7: is truly astonishing. So what we did is we actually
Speaker 7: created a decoy account using artificial intelligence. We had an
Speaker 7: undercover agent who's actually a middle aged man, who presented
Speaker 7: an account that looked like an underage girl and created
Speaker 7: a profile on the platform, and that account was immediately
Speaker 7: inundated with solicitations for sex, graphic child sexual abuse material.
Speaker 7: And what it did is it proved what the company
Speaker 7: has known for years that something on the order of
Speaker 7: one hundred thousand children every single day on the platform
Speaker 7: either received sexually explicit material or solicited online for sex.
Speaker 7: And so we have pulled the curtain back on internal
Speaker 7: communications between trust and safety officials and experts who have
Speaker 7: been warning the most senior executives, including Mark Zuckerberg, about
Speaker 7: this harm and the fact that they're specific features that
Speaker 7: could actually facilitate this interaction, and they have repeatedly sort
Speaker 7: of looked at changing the system and usually deferred to
Speaker 7: anything that continues to promote engagement and use and basically
Speaker 7: prioritize profit over public safety and the safety of the
Speaker 7: most vulnerable users on the platform. And so we filed that.
Speaker 6: Action last year.
Speaker 7: We followed it up with an undercover operation called Operation Metaphile,
Speaker 7: where we again created accounts, and we arrested three men
Speaker 7: who showed up at a hotel at a motel here
Speaker 7: in New Mexico thinking that they were going to be
Speaker 7: meeting up with an underage girl to have sex, and
Speaker 7: they actually were taking to custody. What we were trying
Speaker 7: to do, though, with that parallel criminal investigation is demonstrate
Speaker 7: to policymakers into parents that the farm where I identifying
Speaker 7: isn't just virtual, It isn't this digital experience. It is
Speaker 7: paper thin in terms of the separation between the types
Speaker 7: of experience they're having on their phones and on the
Speaker 7: platforms and the possibility of real victimization in the real world.
Speaker 7: We followed that up with a separate lawsuit against Snap
Speaker 7: because Snap has marketed itself primarily on the benefits of
Speaker 7: what's known as ephemeral content. This idea that you can
Speaker 7: picture an image or video, send it to somebody else,
Speaker 7: and it goes away. The truth is, though it doesn't
Speaker 7: go away, it's easily captured, and which means it is
Speaker 7: a prime channel by which people can engage in sextortion.
Speaker 7: And sextortion is when they trick a young person into
Speaker 7: sending a sexually explicit image of themselves and then immediately
Speaker 7: turn around and extort them, saying, turn over this amount
Speaker 7: of crypto, this amount of money, and if you don't,
Speaker 7: we will send these images to your school, to your parents,
Speaker 7: your community. And we have seen teen suicide all over
Speaker 7: the country, all over the world by a lot of
Speaker 7: young people, interestingly, a lot of young men who are
Speaker 7: tricked into sending these images, young young boys. And I've
Speaker 7: met parents from all over America who who have lost,
Speaker 7: you know, their thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year old son to
Speaker 7: suicide because they have been tricked into sending this material
Speaker 7: to somebody that then turns around and extorts them. All
Speaker 7: of this though, all of this conduct has been known
Speaker 7: to the leaders and executives inside these companies for years,
Speaker 7: and Congress has just failed to act, failed to regulate,
Speaker 7: and so now it's falling to us. But there's a
Speaker 7: unique parallel here because not unlike big tobacco, it's a
Speaker 7: big global corporate behemoth that is knowingly marketing addictive, dangerous
Speaker 7: products to young people without due respect for the ultimate
Speaker 7: harm that they could be causing, without telling people about it,
Speaker 7: without providing warnings about what could be there, and ultimately
Speaker 7: they have been able to do that because back in
Speaker 7: the late nineties, Congress granted them broad immunity from liability
Speaker 7: for this action. In the earliest days of the Internet,
Speaker 7: in the passage of the Communications Decency Acts Section two thirty,
Speaker 7: we were trying to facilitate this burgeoning Internet economy and
Speaker 7: that but this was back in the days when we
Speaker 7: were all waiting for a dial up tone to get
Speaker 7: on the Internet, were looking at all of this material
Speaker 7: sort of on a laptop, and we're thinking about message boards.
Speaker 7: So there was no smartphones, there was no social media applications,
Speaker 7: and there certainly weren't the kinds of big global corporations
Speaker 7: that we have now and we have watched for the
Speaker 7: last ten years Congress just completely unable to carve back
Speaker 7: or eliminate that that immunity that has been granted to
Speaker 7: these companies. And so we have to from a legal perspective,
Speaker 7: file these cases very much in the same way that
Speaker 7: you file a product liability case, because Section two thirty
Speaker 7: says these companies aren't liable for the third party content
Speaker 7: put out there by someone else, but they are liable
Speaker 7: for the decisions they make about the features that are
Speaker 7: included in their products. And so that's how we're going about,
Speaker 7: you know, bringing these lawsuits. We've been we're one of
Speaker 7: the first states in the country to focus on sexual
Speaker 7: predation and one of the first states in the country
Speaker 7: to actually survive a challenge under Section two thirty. And
Speaker 7: it looks like we're going to be able to present
Speaker 7: our case to a jury here in New Mexico and
Speaker 7: ultimately hopefully not only recover damages for children who have
Speaker 7: been harmed by these products, but ultimately get injunctive relief
Speaker 7: to change the way these corporations do business. It is
Speaker 7: no coincidence that you have seen update and press releases
Speaker 7: and publications of all of these new safety features, so
Speaker 7: called sactors in so called sort of safety modifications since
Speaker 7: these lawsuits have been filed. And from my perspective, it's
Speaker 7: a cynical attempt to avoid and held account or what
Speaker 7: they have done way that they have prioritized profit over safety.
Speaker 7: And when this comes up, you know, we get asked routinely,
Speaker 7: well what do you think about the latest update of
Speaker 7: the newest feature? And what I tell them is, look,
Speaker 7: if these companies, Meta and Zuckerberg and these guys were
Speaker 7: spent as much time focusing on actually making these products safe,
Speaker 7: and if they dedicated the resources that they currently expand
Speaker 7: on lobbyists, lawyers, publicists and marketing firms on just listening
Speaker 7: to their own trust in safety people and redesigning the platforms,
Speaker 7: we wouldn't be in this situation. But you know, this
Speaker 7: is sort of the standard corporate playbook where people get
Speaker 7: called out, people start fearing, shareholders, directors and others start
Speaker 7: thinking about the bottom line, and they think, oh god,
Speaker 7: this is serious. We better start doing something. But you know,
Speaker 7: the steps that they're taking, these are things that could
Speaker 7: have been done years ago. Because they have known about
Speaker 7: these problems for years. They didn't do it until they
Speaker 7: really thought there was a chance that it was going
Speaker 7: to impact the bottom line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not surprised at all.
Speaker 1: But it does show that the only way any of
Speaker 1: these tech companies are going to behave in a responsible
Speaker 1: way is if they're legally held accountable.
Speaker 7: Right, that's right, But it also shows something else that's
Speaker 7: really really important. It is the disparity that you have
Speaker 7: between the pace of change in legal institutions and the
Speaker 7: pace of change in technology. Right, they're able to operate
Speaker 7: now with technology under a legal framework that was created
Speaker 7: for a totally different world, and the lesson for us
Speaker 7: as a country is that we need to be able
Speaker 7: to close the gap between our ability to adapt to
Speaker 7: a changing technological environment, because what we usually end up
Speaker 7: doing is by the time we've identified a harm, corrected
Speaker 7: for it, come up with a new legislative solution, the
Speaker 7: technology has leapt forward. And what I worry about now
Speaker 7: is that we're going to be having a conversation about
Speaker 7: fixing the problems with social media applications, and by the
Speaker 7: time we correct that, the genie is out of the
Speaker 7: bottle on artificial intelligence and we are once again trying
Speaker 7: to play catch up from a legal standpoint. And I
Speaker 7: think one of the real challenges that we're going to
Speaker 7: face in the next five, ten, fifteen years is to
Speaker 7: see if we can update our institutions to respond more
Speaker 7: effectively and more quickly to a rapidly evolving technological landscape, which,
Speaker 7: as we have seen, can bring great benefits to people,
Speaker 7: to businesses, to productivity, to human connections, to sharing of information.
Speaker 7: But there is always a downside to technology. There's always
Speaker 7: a side of the technology that can be used or
Speaker 7: exploited to horn people, and we have to be mindful
Speaker 7: of that, We've gone through this process too many times
Speaker 7: for us to really think that these companies can be
Speaker 7: trusted to regulate themselves. And there's another really dangerous and
Speaker 7: important element which is hard for people to understand who
Speaker 7: are lawyers and aren't thinking about this, But one of
Speaker 7: the most consequential Supreme Court decisions that we had recently
Speaker 7: was a decision by the Supreme Court to eliminate what's
Speaker 7: called Chevron deference. What that did is the best chance
Speaker 7: that we had as a from an institutional standpoint to
Speaker 7: continue to adapt quickly to emerging threats or emerging potential
Speaker 7: harms was to empower executive agencies to address things that
Speaker 7: a legislative body just doesn't have the technical expertise or
Speaker 7: the understanding to get in front of. By striking that down,
Speaker 7: the Supreme Court has basically placed the burden back on
Speaker 7: Congress to continue updating the legal framework that we have
Speaker 7: in the legal tools that we have to hold people.
Speaker 1: Account right exactly. And I think that's a really such
Speaker 1: an important point. Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1: I hope you wilcome back.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I appreciate the opportunity.
Speaker 1: No moment, Rick Wilson, Yes, our moment of fuckery today,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about everyone's favorite. By the way,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump did say it might be smart to get
Speaker 1: a vice president who's a zero well success Donald for
Speaker 1: all right, I almost feel like, if we're going to
Speaker 1: do our moment of fuckery about JD. Vans, we should
Speaker 1: for a second have Jesse first play this video of
Speaker 1: Donald Trump yesterday or two days ago.
Speaker 2: It's a theory he has.
Speaker 1: So Jesse's going to first play Donald Trump's theory of
Speaker 1: vice presidents.
Speaker 4: I love Trump having any kind of theory.
Speaker 5: This guy, he's dumb as a rock.
Speaker 6: Of course, you could make.
Speaker 1: The case that, you know, there's a theory pick a
Speaker 1: really bad vice president.
Speaker 5: That way, they'd never get rid of you. So maybe
Speaker 5: she did a very smart thing. Who does But we're
Speaker 5: gonna say, kamala yaha.
Speaker 2: So that's a theory. That's a theory.
Speaker 1: And now, Jesse Cannon, we're going to talk about Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's vice presidential nominee, who was today on CNN trying
Speaker 1: to defend the indefense.
Speaker 4: Ball thank you, So let me ask you.
Speaker 8: Obviously, Trump's former chief of Staff, General John Kelly sure
Speaker 8: was alarmed. He says by what he heard when Trump's
Speaker 8: that he wanted to use the National Guard or the
Speaker 8: Pentagon to go after the enemy within Americans with whom
Speaker 8: he disagrees, including.
Speaker 4: The pelosis Adam Schiff.
Speaker 8: And then he gave an interview he said the Trump
Speaker 8: quote certainly falls into the general definition of fascist that
Speaker 8: he has quote. Certainly an authoritarian admirers people who are dictators.
Speaker 8: You've called him a disgruntled former employee, But why shouldn't
Speaker 8: Americans out there listen to somebody who worked closely with Trump,
Speaker 8: worked with him longer than you've worked with him, retired
Speaker 8: for star Marine general, serve his country honorably, who is conservative,
Speaker 8: who says he agrees with Trump on most policies, but
Speaker 8: is worried about this.
Speaker 6: Aspect of Trump.
Speaker 9: So let me just say two things in response. So,
Speaker 9: first of all, a lot of what John Kelly pretty
Speaker 9: much all of what John Kelly accuses Donald Trump of saying.
Speaker 9: There were other people in the room, Mike Pence's former
Speaker 9: chief of staff, for example, who've explicitly said Donald Trump
Speaker 9: never said those things, right, So one on expansive, guy,
Speaker 9: I'm not going to support Trump because Mike, Mike Pence's
Speaker 9: former chief said that Donald Trump didn't say those things right,
Speaker 9: So that's number one.
Speaker 6: Number two.
Speaker 9: I actually think there's an interesting conversation here to have, Jake,
Speaker 9: which is, why does John Kelly.
Speaker 6: Not support Donald Trump.
Speaker 9: It's about policy, it's not about personality.
Speaker 4: He says, he agrees with Trump.
Speaker 6: On most policy. No, he agrees with Trump on most policy.
Speaker 8: He disagrees with Trump on but how Trump views his
Speaker 8: role and the fascism and the authoritari.
Speaker 4: I don't buy that, Jake.
Speaker 9: I don't buy that, because if you actually look at
Speaker 9: John Kelly, at folks like Liz Cheney, the fundamental disagreement
Speaker 9: they have with Donald Trump is even though they say
Speaker 9: that they're conservative, they're conservative in the sense that they
Speaker 9: want America to get involved in a ton of ridiculous
Speaker 9: military conflicts.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Rick Wilson.
Speaker 4: You know, there's a reason why jd. Vance's favorability rating
Speaker 4: is roughly half of Tim Walls is that.
Speaker 6: He's a douchebag.
Speaker 4: He's not just an asshole, he's like a legitimate douchebag.
Speaker 4: This guy knows exactly what he's doing. He's besmirching the
Speaker 4: reputation of a guy who gave forty years of his
Speaker 4: life to our country. Whose son died in combat and JD.
Speaker 4: Vance is thinking you're too dumb to realize what he's
Speaker 4: trying to say. It is offensive, it is cheap, it
Speaker 4: is stupid, and it relies on an audience that doesn't
Speaker 4: understand and that just saying they're globalists. They what wars
Speaker 4: is codeword for we think you're too stupid to understand it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Rick Wilson.
Speaker 4: You are welcome as always my friend. I'll talk to
Speaker 4: you soon.
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