WEBVTT - Rick Wilson & AG Raul Torrez 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:04.200 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.200 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:11.240 today's best minds, and Michelle Obama says Donald Trump is 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:13.160 in clear mental decline. 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:14.200 She's not wrong. 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:18.119 We have the greatest show ever for you today, the 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:22.560 Lincoln Projects. Rick Wilson joins us to discuss early voting 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:26.360 and why we should be optimistic. Then we'll talk to 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:32.880 New Mexico's own Attorney General, Raoul Torres about his lawsuit 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:34.240 against Meta. 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:36.360 But first the news. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:40.519 So Bally, we're going to start off today by torturing 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:42.640 the audience by making the listen to Joe Rogan. And 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:44.720 I will not be shocked if this is our lowest 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:46.440 traded episode ever for doing. 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:46.599 That to them. 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:50.400 Quid pro Oh, no, let's go. 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:53.479 This is Donald Trump who appeared on Joe Rogan. For 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:55.440 people who do not know, I'll say so. 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.200 There was a congressman years before I ran, and I 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:00.280 was very close to him, and I need did a 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.040 license on something, and he was very important in getting 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.560 a license. But it was a little bit controversial it 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:09.240 the license this particular thing that was being licensed. But 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:11.840 I was close to this guy and helped him and 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:13.759 everything else, and I went to him. I said, I'd 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:18.000 like to have your help, and he said, let me 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:18.840 take a look at it. 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:20.720 I said, oh, that's not too good. 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:23.880 But I really hope you did have anyway, he tapped 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:25.960 me along for a long period of time and ultimately 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.440 didn't do it. And I said, you are a stiff. 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:30.640 You could have done this thing so easy, et cetera. 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:34.080 But it was controversial. He was in cump me. 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:38.200 So I don't know, I mean, whatever the fuck that means. Look, 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:41.759 donald Trump quit pro quote, he got impeached. 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:42.040 For it once. 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:45.040 I don't know he wanted a congressman to do that. 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.440 By the way, whoever that congressman is, I mean, luckily 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:49.680 Donald Trump can't remember what. 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:51.120 The speculation is. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.880 It's former Congressman Trolie Ragul, who was known as one 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:55.600 of the most corrupt congressmen. 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:59.080 It is time there, well within the range of possibility. 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:02.160 But at least Charlie wasn't corrupt enough to do what 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:05.800 Donald Trump wanted, and for that we must be grateful. 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.400 There were a number of things that in those three 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.640 hours with Joe Rogan where Donald Trump be clowned himself. 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:12.760 Let's get to the. 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:16.320 Tape of Donald Trump amusing about having been on. 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.400 Oprah oprah show, she was encouraging you. 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.480 Last week I did one of her last shows. I 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.399 think maybe Thursday or there was a big deal being 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:26.760 on Oprah's show, the last one, and I was like 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.519 one of the last shows in that final week. 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:34.720 Oprah's last show was May twenty fifth, two thousand and eleven, 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:37.400 not last week. 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.080 About Thursday or Friday, which also he taped this on 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:41.919 a Saturday, so that would have been the day before 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:42.880 or the day before that. 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.040 Yes, that was not Oprah's last show. 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.880 Interesting still though, Donald Trump again Joe Rogan tried to 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:53.040 get Donald Trump to say that he wouldn't use the 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:58.320 military against other Americans. He continued to decline. He drove 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:01.720 it home that ultimately his whole goal is to, you know, 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:06.880 deport huge quantities of people because illegal aliens are the 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.359 problem this country has. Well you know what, Jesse, what 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:15.360 there's some illegal aliens who are causing problems. 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.040 Will you discuss the calls are coming from inside the house, 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:19.040 one might say that. 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:21.880 Or inside the Twitter, as the case may be. 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.560 There is a new report out about Elon Musk and 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.840 his brother being illegal in this country for a period. 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:29.639 What did you see it to here? 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.720 Molly watching post which everyone is mad at right now, 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:36.280 reports that Elon Musk briefly worked illegally in the nineteen 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:40.160 nineties in the United States. He denied the report because 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.320 he's Elon. He said he was on a J one visa, 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.680 which transitioned into an H one B visa. But you know, 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:51.240 Elon Musk is known for not being, you know, a 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.680 totally straight shooter, so who the fuck knows. But the 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.280 irony here is pretty rich. 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:02.760 Somalia, I know, I'm really pushing our listeners today. After 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:04.960 playing Joe Rogan, I'm now going to read a David 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:05.720 Sachs tweet. 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.040 David Sachs, for those of you who don't know, is. 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:13.600 A South African billionaire, not to be confused with Elon Musk, 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:18.400 also very far right and has very little to recommend 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.640 him except he's very. 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.680 Very rich host of a terrible podcast, we might add. 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.960 Here's what Sachs had to say. The major broadcast networks ABC, CBS, 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:31.640 NBC operate on free licenses of public spectrum in exchange 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.760 for requirements to serve the public interest. They no longer do, 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.040 and this is an obsolete model anyway. The spectrum should 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.400 be auctioned off, with the proceeds used to pay down 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:42.760 the national debt. Of course, the networks can bid on 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.640 the spectrum, and they will win if broadcast networks are 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.640 still the most highly valued use. What's more likely to 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.000 happen is that valuable spectrum will be reapportioned to the 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.840 next generation of wireless applications, unleashing many more interesting options 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.040 for consumers and business. The networks could continue to operate 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.239 on cable like one hundred some other redundant chills. 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:02.760 Whatever, it doesn't matter. 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:06.680 These dumb fucking immigrants ruining our country. 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.520 You mus quote treated this and said, great idea. 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.720 So David Zax wants to make it so that cable 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:17.040 companies can't broadcast because they hate free speech. It turns 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:21.440 out these fucking guys hate free speech. Two aliens, I guess, 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:25.679 neither illegal anymore, both billionaires Elon's made tons of money 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:29.040 on government subsidies. Both of them would like to end 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.600 free speech. Elect Donald Trump and deport millions and millions 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.680 of people. Are we surprised? Maybe not so. Jesse and 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:41.120 I decided to do a little quick segment after Donald 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:50.279 Trump's German American Madison Square Garden German influenced German American 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:56.400 Bund influence Madison Square Garden rally a mirror eighty three 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:00.880 years later. The characters are different, but the rhetoric remains 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:01.880 very similar. 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.479 Like always, he's just repeating his father's best traits. 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.800 So my hottest take is that. And I don't know 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.320 if this was a plan or not, but Stephen Miller 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:18.880 had a line that came directly from the KKK And 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:23.760 actually I looked it up afterwards and it's the name 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:27.440 make America America again is actually the name of a 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:35.120 KKK pamphlet. It's called America for Americans KKK on the 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:39.840 cover and has a clansman. So Stephen Miller is Jewish, 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.440 so there were the clan were not fans of the Jews. 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:47.640 But he did in fact say that he wanted that 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:55.480 America was for Americans only, America for Americans and Americans only, 0:06:55.839 --> 0:07:01.599 which is also derivative of the German slogan only for 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:05.200 German which Germans, which was used during World War Two 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:09.120 against people like Steven Miller. 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.320 Make it make sense him. 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:15.560 Being influenced by pamphlets like that is not a shocking revelation. 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:17.680 We're in a moment here where so. 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:22.640 Joe Rogan affiliated comedian Tony Hinchcliff, He's one of his buddies, 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:26.040 was the opener, and he did a lot of what 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.160 one might call humor if one didn't know what humor was, 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:30.840 where he said such things as. 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.680 Well, he said that you don't even need to hear it. 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:34.560 It's some fucking guy that no one's ever heard of. 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.920 Or I guess you've heard that. If you're into comedy, 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:39.600 you've heard of Tony Hinchcliff. 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:41.880 Okay, well I've never heard of him. 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.200 But if you're into Joe Rogan, you've heard of Tony Hinchcliff. 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:50.160 So that fucking guy said that Puerto Rico is an 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:51.720 island of garbage. 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:56.520 So this led to Bad Buddy endorsing Kamala Harris, which 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:58.640 I know a lot of our listeners will not be 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.440 familiar with the reggaeton artists Bad Buddy, but Bad Bunny is. 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:02.520 He's pretty famous. 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.760 He's well, what's more interesting is he is always in 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:11.120 the top ten of biggest musicians worldwide. And the other 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:15.760 thing is is he is very beloved for being altruistic 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:16.720 in Puerto Rico. 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.920 And like many people said, like the Taylor swift. They 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:20.960 very big. 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.720 This for a culture of people that maybe some of 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.440 our listeners are not around. This is a very huge 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:30.240 cultural moment because he really is seen as a virtuous person. 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:36.280 And also after that, Jlo and Ricky Martin immediately endorsed 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.320 Harris too. I want to just for a second read 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:43.480 the statistics of Puerto Ricans by state in this country. 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:47.360 Four hundred and fifty k. That's almost half a million 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:51.000 Puerto Ricans in the state of Pennsylvania. North Carolina has 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:57.120 one hundred thousand Puerto Ricans, Wisconsin sixty five thousand, Michigan 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:00.920 fifty thousand, Florida one point one million, and New York 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.040 one million Puerto Ricans. 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.240 Not an insignificant number of people. 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:12.200 Yeah, and they are trying to pretend, oh, it was 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.520 just a joke. But Trump Junior, one of the policy guys, 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:17.680 a the Trump kip, he of course, retweeted it like 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:18.439 it was awesome. 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:22.480 Yeah, Donald Trump Junior, you may remember him from being 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.880 an abject more on. But there was also another line too, 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:31.160 where one of them said, Latinos love making babies. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:36.040 It was a lot of vitriol. Also, someone said. 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.800 One of those speakers said that Hillary Clinton was the 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.520 sixth son of a bitch and the whole fucking party 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:43.680 a bunch of degenerate low lives to. 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:47.280 Haters and lowlives every one of them. 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:53.600 So a lot of pretty awful rhetoric. And of course 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:59.040 USA today, Trump sticks to economy, immigration and closing pitch 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.000 in Addison Square. 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:05.440 Message always be seene washing, so not. 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:16.760 Surprising, but he is upsetting. That's it for this episode 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:18.200 of Fast Politics. 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:24.400 Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:29.040 the best minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:32.160 If you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.640 friend and keep the conversation going. 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:36.240 Thanks for listening. 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:49.440 Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project and 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:51.079 the host of The Enemies List. 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.520 Welcome back, Rick Wilson. 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:57.200 Hey Bali junk Fast Back as always for more hygiens 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.040 and frivolity. 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.480 Nine days, nine days, so it'll be eight when people 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:07.080 are listening to this. So where are you? Where am I? 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.360 Where are any of us today? 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:14.359 Look, we are at this moment very close to a scenario. 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:15.920 I know people are going to yell at me for 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.240 saying this, but I'm beginning to think we're going to 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.840 have a bigger win than not legitimately beginning to believe 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:27.520 that the overarching chaos around Trump has reduced a lot 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.800 of the viability that he had. I don't think he's 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.360 improved a situation at all, and I'm here for that. 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.120 So explain to me what is making you think that. 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.640 Again, as we talked about last time, I am watching 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.680 these early voting numbers, and the more of these early 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:47.600 voting waves that are showing up in the reporting from 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.760 early votes, the more women we see turning out to 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:55.280 vote early, the more expansive the lead becomes. I mean, 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.120 we're at a point now where Donald Trump is going 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.840 to have to pull off a massive, massive election day 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:05.040 male vote that has thus far not been out there 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.280 at the scale he's going to need. And those low 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.680 propensity voters that he relies on, those ones and twos 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.480 he relies on, we're not in that world right now. 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:15.560 They're not the ones and twos are not driving so 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:17.920 far from what we're able to see in the in 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:18.800 the turnout equation. 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.439 How do you see that? Can you explain it a 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:22.040 little more? 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.440 I think that there's a part of the universe of 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.880 Trump that they are trying to bullshit Democrats into panicking. 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.720 It's working, by the way. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.040 You know me, I'm always panicking. 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.719 You do like a good fret as they say, yes. 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.160 Yes, yes is word ju is. I mean, this is 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.680 what we do. This is our eighties. 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:42.400 I do, I do it. 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.360 But I'm telling you we're not right now in the 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.120 same world that we were in. I still go back 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.960 to this, these early numbers, as Stuart steven says, he goes, 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.000 you know, all the polling is based on modeling of 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:55.760 prior elections. 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:57.280 That is true, right for sure. 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.720 But early voting numbers are empirical. They are not backward 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.160 looking models. They are not speculative. They are empirical. I 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.680 look at the way that the early vote is turning 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.720 so far, and I am fine with it. Would I 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.400 like everything to be perfect all the time? Sure? Would 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:14.959 I like her to be twelve points ahead? Absolutely? Do 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:16.840 I need her to be twelve points ahead? I do not. 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:21.240 And Republicans are early voting, which they didn't. You know, 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.080 it's a sort of different elector and showing up right 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:25.360 now to early voting. 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.800 Yeah, I mean the twenty twenty election, because of COVID 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.880 was a truly distorted early voting model. We will never 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:33.679 have that model again, you know, God. 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:34.680 Willing right, hopefully. 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:38.280 Yeah, but as we look at where we're standing today again, 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.520 I'd much rather be in our shoes than theirs. I'd 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.880 much rather be a campaign that has all the resources 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:44.559 it needs to. 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:45.920 Spend billion dollars. 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.720 Yeah, and right now that is not the Trump campaign. 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:50.440 I'd might s rather have a campaign that has a 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.640 field program run by trained professionals rather than Elon Musk. 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.920 And also that long haired guy, the walk Away guy. 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:58.840 Oh yes, Brandon Struka. 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.120 Yeah, that guy seems great. 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.120 Oh yeah, he's a deeply experienced campaign pro. I mean, 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.120 everybody wakes up in the morning and goes, hey, you 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.600 know who we need in this campaign is Brandon Straka. 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:11.440 And what about Charlie Kirk? Can we have a minute 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.839 for Charlie Kirk, the guy whose entire career is based 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:16.520 on the fact that he didn't get into college. 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:20.040 Charlie Kirk and the Turning Point USA program, what they've 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.120 done is they've become a conduit for a bunch of 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.600 dark money from a bunch of Republican billionaires. Blah blah blah. 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:29.320 You heard the story. And Charlie Kirk, as we all know, 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:33.280 He is not a bright man, right, He's not even 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:39.680 a moderately smart man. He is profoundly and relentlessly stupid. 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.480 And because of that relentless stupidity, you know this group 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:45.960 that he's built, which basically, by the way, let's all 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:49.200 understand what Turning Point really is. Charlie Kirk could not 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.960 get laid in a tie whorehouse with just full of hundreds, 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:56.080 so he built this organization because he wanted to pussy. 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.920 Oh Jesus Christ, I even correct. 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.680 I'd love to you. You are wrong. 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.880 He didn't get into college, so he got so mad 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.280 that he started a conservative organization to try to protect 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:11.760 mediocre white guys who can't go to get into college. 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:13.440 I'm not sure this is about sex. 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.640 No, it's it's listen, everything's about sex. 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:18.720 The alternate theory is, you remember when he went to 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.680 the hospital, he's always surrounded by teenage boys just saying, 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:22.240 oh my. 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.320 God, the two of you. 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.200 I mean, there's a lot of evidence. 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:29.800 I'm not saying. The original name of Turning Point USA 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:30.880 was how Swatt. 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:36.080 No, I don't want to go to jail for either 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.920 of you. Listen to me, You're going to go two 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.800 point five million early votes cast so far in seven 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:47.760 sweating states, nine hundred and fifty two thousand more women 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:48.800 voted than men. 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:52.800 What's being challenged here right now is a fundamental reality, okay, 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.880 and that reality is the impiriculator from the early turnout 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.960 is very very favorable to Kamala Harris. Okay, very very 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.960 very favorable. You've got I think in the polling you've 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:08.920 seen a high overscoring of Republicans. In the turnout you're seeing, 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.320 I think something that's going to be much more reflective 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.960 of election day. There used to be this conception that 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:18.120 early voters were a different creature than election day voters. 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.720 I don't think that's the case anymore. I don't think 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.920 that works the same way anymore on election day. In 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.680 my view, if women haven't come out to vote early, 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.640 they're going to flood the zone on election day. And 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.880 it is going I am beginning to God, I'm going 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:36.000 to jinx myself saying this, I am beginning to feel 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:40.280 like that of the three scenarios, right, of the three scenarios, 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.520 narrow Harris win, narrow Trump win, Harris blowout, there is 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.120 no Trump blowout scenario right now in the numbers. 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.920 Okay, and there never has been right. He can't. He's 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:50.560 not a blowout. He is a ceiling. 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:54.440 If it happens, it is not based on any kind 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.240 of math that we're seeing. If I'm wrong about it, 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:57.920 I'm not going to feel bad for being wrong, because 0:16:57.920 --> 0:16:59.480 it will be something such a it would be such 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.080 a weird externality that no one can spot. And look, 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:03.600 I am a reasonably smart. 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:06.280 Dog, many people are saying, and I have and I. 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:07.639 Have a lot of but I have a lot of 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.200 people who are smarter than me by an order of magnitude. 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.240 About the math and the numbers and the polling. They 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:15.680 are pretty sanguine right now that the blowout number may 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.959 be increasing in probability. That doesn't mean it's a That 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.480 doesn't mean it's going to happen. That doesn't mean it's 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.760 it's the highest likelihood of happening. But there are a 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:28.199 lot of models right now that show the margins for 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:32.200 Harris opening up because of the voter data we're looking 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:35.160 at coming out of early voting and ballot requests. It's 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:36.639 a sign of two things. A sign she has a 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:40.239 field program for one that's doing the work okay. And 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.239 there's a sign that the averages you're seeing on five 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.120 point thirty eight and real clear and. 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.000 Are have been juiced by GEOP pollsters. 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:51.760 Right, yeah, right, other polling aggregators are now going to 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.120 diverge more and more from the data we're seeing come 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.399 out of the early vote. Those models are not set 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.520 to include the early voting data. They don't model that. 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:05.159 They model polls only. They don't have and they model 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:09.640 prior election data only. They don't have this data as 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.800 part of their model. The bullshit markets poly market and 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.520 clock Calshee and all that, it's all garbage. Ignore it, 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.160 ignore it, ignore it. But look, I don't think you're 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:20.480 going to see as many split ticket voters as were 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:24.399 previously modeled. The split ticket theories say that three times fast. 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.199 I think it's kind of falling apart a little bit. 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.320 You're seeing that there aren't going to be a lot 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.520 of people who vote for Mark Robinson in North Carolina. 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:35.520 It's going to drag him down. He's down forty four 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.919 points among women at my last point, forty four points 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:40.920 among women. How are you going to do that? Market? 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.480 I think he's going to lose by eighteen to twenty points, 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:44.320 maybe a little more. 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:45.720 Is it bragging? 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:50.840 About maybe sleeping with your wife's sister that is not 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.359 appealing to women voters, or is it something else. 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.520 I don't know. Calling yourself black Hitler might have had 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:57.520 a part of it. Women don't really love Hitler either, 0:18:57.840 --> 0:18:59.560 but I think that's that's a part of it. Yeah, 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:04.200 I had to introduced the words dookie, shoot to our. 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.679 Let the record show I am making a disgusted face. 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.440 With as little movement as my face has, it's still 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:15.840 able to be horrified by that. 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.960 So here's the other thing I think is happening here 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.560 right now, and again, this is the toughest unicorn to 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:24.919 hunt in the forest. I think right now we are 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:29.480 seeing undecided voters right now. I'm going to make a 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.760 quick prediction. If they're an undecided voter right now, about 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:34.399 sixty five percent of them are going to split to 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:35.159 Kamala Harris. 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:37.480 Okay, so Donald Trump. 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:38.560 It's the Hitler stupid. 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:42.880 As J Carver would say, Donald Trump did ten thousand 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:47.480 hours with the Joe Rogan in which they discussed My 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.160 favorite thing about that interview is that Joe Rogan did 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:53.360 the same thing that John Hannity did, the same thing 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:57.960 that any interviewer who wants Trump to be less disinh 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:03.000 inhibited than he is. He said, you don't really want 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:05.080 to jail Nancy Pelosi. 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.160 And Donald Trump said. 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:11.280 There are many people who have been very mean to me. No, 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.080 he said, you know, Donald, you didn't really they didn't 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:16.480 really steal the election from you. It was that's not real, 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.520 is it? And of course Trump couldn't fucking help himself. 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:21.440 And that is something that we know in some of 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.679 this some of the stuff of these softer Republican voters, 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:26.399 they're like, Okay, I'm sick of the I'm sick of 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:28.840 the bullshit. He lost the election January sixth. They don't 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:32.040 like it. But you know, Joe Rogan is supposed to 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.879 appeal to young men. Yeah, he's supposed to appeal to 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:38.720 young men. And yes, young men may well vote for 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.439 Donald Trump. That's okay. You know, eighteen to thirty men 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:43.399 are gonna are going to probably give Trump a fifty 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:44.320 five percent. 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:48.520 Split the nine of them. It's not a huge voting book. 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:50.880 But young women eighteen to thirty are going to give 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:55.480 Harris like an eighty twenty split. And look an independent voters. 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.840 We're starting to see independent voters in the early states. Okay, 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:03.080 they have shifted toward Harris. Some states a little bit, 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:06.520 some states a lot, some states demnimous, but they are 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:09.720 shifting toward Harris. I mean, look, and I'll just give 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:14.560 you one example. Independence in Arizona in twenty twenty eleven 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:18.639 it was an eleven point difference between Biden and Trump. 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:22.240 Right now, Independence in Arizona are pulling at about what 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:26.080 our number is about a seventeen point difference between between 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:30.760 Harris and Trump. Really, if Independence end up popping over 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:34.240 at those scales and those numbers are much smaller in 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.359 other states, that's just one that I happened. 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:39.440 That's hug. Those are huge numbers, those. 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:42.520 Trend lines with independence, If they break with those proportions, 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:44.840 we're gonna have a much more interesting race. I will 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.359 tell you. I heard from a Florida polster on Friday 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:50.280 night who said to me, he goes. A month ago, 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:51.920 I would have told you Trump would blow the state 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:53.800 out with ten points. Now I think he wins by 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:56.240 three or four. Look, I don't think we have enough 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:58.879 time for that trend line to hit zero for Trump. 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:01.119 But look, no campaign is ever going to wake up 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:03.479 in the morning and go, hey, we're bullshitting you. We're losing. 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:08.879 Trump is outstanding, okay at bullshitting people that he's winning, 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:10.320 and his people are going to believe it. 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:13.040 And it's better for him to say he's winning, because 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:14.359 he's going to say it was rigged. 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:16.160 Either way, that's correct. 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:18.800 He is here to tell you it was stolen, it 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:22.360 was rigged, it was this, it was that. And nothing 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:27.680 will change Donald Trump's insistence on playing the game. That 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:31.400 will lead to violence, and that will lead to misery 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:34.240 in this country in ways to quote Donald Trump that 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:35.280 we've never seen before. 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:37.520 I mean, I think if we're going to take something 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:41.080 to be worried about from this conversation, and everyone needs 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:44.560 to vote, and everyone needs to canvas. And I saw 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:47.320 Dan Nathan. I was on TV with Dan Nathan the 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:49.840 other day, and he's going to Pennsylvania. 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:50.320 You know the. 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:53.760 Number of affluent New Yorkers who are in Pennsylvania. There's 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:56.520 more of them in Pennsylvania than there are people in 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:57.760 Pennsylvania at this point. 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:00.359 The number of people who have flooded the zone, including 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:02.560 a lot of the young staff at Lincoln are over 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:05.600 in Pennsylvania. Dock in doors this weekend because look, a 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:08.000 lot of our work is done at this point. Our 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.280 missiles are in the silos, they're ready to launch. We've 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:13.480 got the ads are pretty much done. The fundraising expressional yeah, 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:16.240 politically right. No, I actually have nuclear weapons in mind. 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:18.040 I tell you I want you to be the first 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:20.440 to know that my nuclear weapons pro does that long 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:21.480 last come to fruition? 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:22.520 Yes? 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:26.360 But look, and I also am watching the favorability as 0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:30.679 we always talk about. She is more favorable than Donald Trump. 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:33.560 That's just it. She has higher faves than Donald Trump, 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:37.119 and those higher faves are going to be something that 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:40.640 saves the day. Look, her faves in Florida now are 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:43.000 tied with Trump. Same person told me that that there 0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:44.720 faves in Florida are now tied. 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:47.119 Phrase that is in now. 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:49.400 That doesn't mean she's going to win. It just means 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:50.600 that their faves are tied. 0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:52.960 Right. I think that that's a really good point. 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:54.760 I would love you to just for two seconds talk 0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:59.760 about North Carolina because a member the Freedom Caucus said, oh, yes, 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:02.240 can you talk us through that? Because I feel like 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:03.880 that's something voters hate. 0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:09.480 Voters are not fans of preemptive declarations of victory by 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:10.680 either party and. 0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:12.720 Also disenfranchising them. 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:16.200 So this North Carolina Republican from the Freedo chair of 0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:19.639 the Freedom Caucus said, because of the hurricane, they should 0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:22.639 just award all the electoral votes to Donald Trump. It 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:27.000 reminds me of the situation in Nebraska, Nebraska's second district, 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:32.080 where Republicans decided to steal their electoral vote and now 0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:34.800 they are fucking pissed. 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:35.639 Continue. 0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:39.000 First off, the Freedom Caucus is a caucus, but has 0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:42.600 nothing to do with freedom. They are the authoritarian wing 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:46.879 of the authoritarian Party, the militant wing of the authoritarian Party. 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:50.160 And the fact that they're out claiming that anything should 0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:53.000 just be preemptively handed to Donald Trump. That's the fucking 0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:58.600 Bath Party in Iraq, right, That's not any party in America. 0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:01.879 So dom has won with a one and fourteen percent mudgin. 0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:03.760 Oh okay, I. 0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:06.000 Haven't thought of the Bath Party in like a decade. 0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:07.200 That's so weird. 0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:09.800 Yes, okay, go on, thank you for that blast from 0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:10.360 the past. 0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:14.760 You're very welcome the idea that you preemptively award a 0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:20.240 state to Donald Trump for any purpose whatsoever. I promise you. 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:22.679 If let's just say this, if Gavin Newsom came out 0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:25.679 and said, well, California's an inevitability, we know what's going 0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:27.480 to happen here, so we're just gonna go ahead and 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:31.080 preemptively declare that Trump cannot win our state. Fox would 0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:35.879 be mobilizing every goddamn reporter in America for communism twenty 0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:40.440 twenty four, the California Republic of Communists, bla blah. We're 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:44.280 not in a country, thankfully yet, where this sort of 0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:47.240 thing is acceptable where voters go, oh yeah, well, that's 0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:51.480 exactly how it works. Is some dipshit neck beard from 0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:54.920 North Carolina goes out of Claire's that the world is 0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:58.480 Trump's all, praise the great leader. That's not how it works. 0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:01.400 She is, I think petitive in North Carolina. I still 0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:04.800 believe that the western North Carolina, the devastation out there, 0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:07.560 is going to drive down Republican turnout. We've got a 0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:10.760 campaign nationally, it's got about a four point advantage for 0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:13.280 her right now. She's ahead on a couple of big 0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:16.720 issues that I watch and care about in national polling, 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:20.399 looking out for the middle class and protecting democracy. I 0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:24.280 think those underpin the groups she needs to win, like 0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:28.200 she needs to win these Cheney Republicans, these Haley Republicans, 0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:31.720 these Lincoln Project Republicans. She needs to win those people, 0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:35.480 and by being stronger on democracy, that's a real plus 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.399 for her. Trump's even only ahead, by the way on crime. 0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:42.240 Depending on the poll you're looking at between two and 0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:43.960 seven percent on crime. 0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:45.840 Well, he did a lot of crime. 0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:52.280 Two things, One is that watching Biden apologize to Indigenous 0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:57.879 people feels like a meaningful and important because Indigenous people 0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:01.800 have been so mistreated by this country, and be also 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:05.560 perhaps thoughtful and political. 0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:10.359 The in number of Indigenous people nationally is not something 0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:12.400 you look at, go okay, the election's going to rise 0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:15.399 or fall on this. However, the in number of Indigenous 0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:19.760 people in Nevada and in Arizona, and in Nebraska, and 0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:24.119 in Wisconsin and in Michigan is not trivial. This, I 0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.399 think is an example of the right politics and the 0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.320 right policy coming together at one moment. Actually, I haven't 0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:31.640 polled Native Americans at all. I just haven't. 0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:34.320 It's very hard to do right too well. 0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:36.440 Right, it's every saying we've had an hour package because 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:38.760 they're not the demo that we're trying to move, and 0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:43.560 they have traditionally been more democratic but less interested in 0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:45.240 the last couple of cycles. 0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:47.480 Though they were meaningful in twenty twenty. 0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:49.040 Right, But I was just gonna say, but I do 0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:51.080 want to point out that in twenty twenty they made 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.920 a difference. So we've got a lot of politics inside 0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:57.720 the politics right now. Harris's campaign I think is running 0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:01.359 very very well. I think it's a strikingly stronger campaign 0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:06.440 than it's democratic skeptics in the beginning have figured out. 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:10.240 And I'm happy about that in one way because specifically 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:13.359 because I look at the mechanics of the campaigns, I 0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:17.360 look at the abilities of the campaigns. Right now, Donald 0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:21.880 Trump is you know, he's doing three thousand person arenas, 0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:25.199 five thousand person arenas. She's doing twenty five thousand person arenas. 0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:28.720 He's getting guys who actually had their songs on k 0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:32.400 Tel records. Great as it's in nineteen eighty nine. Meant 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:34.840 she's getting Beyonce. So a lot of these things I 0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:38.480 think are really meaningful. That how the campaigns are running 0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:42.000 and being run, to me, that's a big deal. That's 0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:44.880 important to me. How those things are functioning. And her 0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:48.040 campaign is functioning at a very high level. His campaign 0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:51.760 is not functioning at any level. You know, but look 0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:55.040 Trump Trump's superpower is he never needed a real campaign 0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:57.520 when Hillary was sort of off the radar for the 0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:01.040 last two weeks of the campaign and getting by Jim Comey, 0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:03.400 and he didn't think he needed a real campaign against 0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:06.120 Joe Biden. They thought this would be a race where 0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:08.440 it was only going to be Joe Biden is too 0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:11.120 old and also elderly and also ancient, and that that 0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:13.200 was going to give him some sort of, you know, 0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:17.160 clean shot at an easy win. Well, that is not 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:20.120 the campaign we're in now. And then the fact that 0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:23.000 Chris Losovita got paid twenty two million dollars to do 0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:27.360 this job, which is the greatest scam anybody's ever pulled 0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:31.040 on Donald Trump by far by order of magnitude. 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They're all available by looking up Molly Jong 0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:06.800 Fast Project twenty twenty five on YouTube, and if you 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:10.480 are more of a podcast person and not say a YouTuber, 0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:13.280 you can hit play and put your phone in the 0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:16.360 lock screen and it will play back just like a broadcast. 0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:20.040 All five episodes are online. Now we need to educate 0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:23.720 Americans on what Trump's second term would or could do 0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:25.080 to this country, So. 0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:26.680 Please watch it and spread the word. 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:33.000 Raoul Torres is the Attorney General of New Mexico. 0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:37.560 Welcome to Fast Politics. 0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:38.240 A G. 0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:41.560 Torres, thanks for having me. You are in New Mexico. 0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:43.160 I am you. 0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:44.800 Are the attorney's general. 0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:49.240 We are ten days from perhaps the most important election 0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:52.920 of our lifetime. I feel like Republicans have used attorneys 0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:57.720 generals in crazy ways over the last decade. 0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:00.920 How do you sort of make it sense to us? 0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:05.280 The attorneys general serve as the chief legal officer for 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:09.480 the respective states that they serve in, and for the 0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:14.640 majority of American history they played a pretty limited role 0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:19.920 in both representing state agencies or filing actions on behalf 0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:21.320 of the state civil actions. 0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:22.280 Some of us. 0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:26.520 Also have concurrent criminal jurisdiction. I'm formerly the elected district 0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:29.200 attorney here in Albuquerque, so I come from that background 0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:32.680 as a prosecutor, but we don't have direct criminal jurisdiction. 0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:34.000 But over the last ten. 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:39.480 Or fifteen years, ags have evolved to take on increasingly, 0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:45.160 i would say, impactful roles in shaping national policy through litigation. 0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:49.320 You've seen it in the Republican side when they file 0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:53.160 actions to oppose various things that have been undertaken by 0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:56.440 the Biden administration or the Obama administration. The same is 0:31:56.480 --> 0:32:00.360 also true for the Democratic Attorneys general. Was it in 0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:02.360 this role at this time at that time, but my 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:07.040 colleagues who were serving during the first Trump administration filed 0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:10.640 a number of actions to protect voting rights, environmental rights, 0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:16.200 access to reproductive healthcare, in engaging important sort of domestic 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:20.360 and international policy issues. And so these offices have increasingly 0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:24.960 become a place where national policy gets filtered through the courtrooms. 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:28.640 And what you've seen is that while we live in 0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:32.080 this sort of polarized world where Congress is sort of 0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:36.880 stuck in place and very little of real significance, seems 0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:39.360 to be able to move as quickly through that through 0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:43.160 the legislative process as it used to. A lot of 0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:46.320 the change that you see on both sides of the 0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:51.120 equation and to originate oftentimes in ag offices around the country. 0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:54.320 So talk to me about forever chemicals, because that's one 0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:57.560 of the ways in which you're doing so. I mean, 0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:04.200 if you think about like the Texas Age is doing freeziness, here, 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:07.760 you guys on the left are doing something that's actually useful. 0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:09.000 So talk us through that. 0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.640 A lot of ags from around the country, including I 0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:15.800 think some of my Republican counterparts, but definitely a lot 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:21.040 of my Democratic counterparts, we have filed actions against the 0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:25.120 manufacturers of PFASs or what are commonly referred to as 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:28.320 forever chemicals for people who don't really know what that is. 0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:31.640 It's a unique kind of chemical compound that has been 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:36.920 used in consumer products on everything from the grease resistant 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:41.360 lining of pizza boxes, in Hamburger wrapping all the way 0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:43.080 to carpets and everything else. 0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:45.280 Well, lo and behold. 0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:48.680 These corporations have known four years and years that many 0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:53.520 of these compounds are cancer causing. They have really serious 0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:57.880 side effects. They have been included in firefighting foam. We've 0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:02.720 had real horrific disclosure of firefighters, first responders and others 0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:06.239 who've been exposed to that foam, who've been armed and 0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:10.520 so we have filed an action against the manufacturers, and 0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:13.840 we have been joined by different ages from across the 0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:16.359 country that are doing the same. But it's the kind 0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:19.120 of thing that we as AGS have been engaging for 0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:23.000 quite some time. AGS first started to really litigate in 0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:26.520 this space in the era of big tobacco, and it 0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:30.960 was concerted and at that time by partisan effort on 0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:35.200 the part of Attorney's General to get the big tobacco 0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:37.880 companies to own up to what they had done in 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:41.520 terms of marketing and known dangerous and addictive substance, and 0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:43.480 to start paying for the harm that they had costed 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:44.320 the American people. 0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:48.080 These are really important lawsuits, and for me, you know, 0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:51.880 as the cover job done with environmental stuff, one of 0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:54.520 the really things that have made me so has made 0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:57.440 me so despondent, is the way the federal government has 0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:02.799 refused to regulate every thing from food to fuel. I 0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:07.160 mean just really given up on even trying to hold 0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:11.799 big companies accountable. And one of the most infuriating is 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:16.160 their inability or total disinterest in regulating technology. 0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:19.239 You filed the case against Meta talk us through that. 0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:22.759 Yes, so we've actually filed two pretty significant lawsuits. We 0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:26.400 filed an action against Meta last year, focusing in on 0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:31.680 both Facebook and Instagram for doing two things. Basically, The 0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:37.239 first is marketing a product and building and delivering a 0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:41.080 product that they know is harmful to the psychological health 0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:46.080 and mental health of young people. We have growing awareness 0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:51.319 about the impact of excessive social media use on anxiety, depression, 0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:57.160 the ways in which it leads to self image issues, 0:35:57.160 --> 0:36:02.759 particularly for young women and girls, and increase in team suicide, 0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:06.239 and those other issues. About forty three or forty four 0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:09.720 other attorneys general across the country filed and action focused 0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:15.040 almost exclusively on those psychological harms. We included in our 0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:18.880 complaint allegations of that same kind of behavior, but in 0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:21.600 part because of my background as a child abuse prosecutor 0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:25.279 and an Internet crimes prosecutor, we were acutely focused on 0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:29.520 predation and the way in which these platforms not just 0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:35.120 allow for predators to identify, groom and target children online, 0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:38.280 but the algorithms and the structure of the platforms actually 0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:42.440 facilitates and amplifies the ability of these platforms to connect 0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:46.600 children and young users that the companies know and have 0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:49.759 and actually count on being on these platforms Because there 0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:52.960 is a market incentive there is a financial incentive for 0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:56.920 them to get young users hooked on these platforms so 0:36:56.960 --> 0:37:00.680 that they can market, you know, consumer goods and use 0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:04.960 that revenue to build and expand the company. But what 0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:10.200 has been I think sort of underreported and certainly largely 0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:14.440 unrecognized by parents and policymakers is the way in which 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:19.280 the algorithm itself and the platform itself will connect people 0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:22.360 with their particular interests. And so what that means is 0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:25.920 every company builds a digital profile of every user on 0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:28.399 the platform. The more you use it, then the more 0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:32.440 they understand what your preferences are. For ninety nine percent 0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:35.279 of the users, that means understanding their preferences for a 0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:38.320 sneeker or for going on a particular type of vacation, 0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:41.840 or reading a particular type of book. That's the business 0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:45.680 model that sits behind what is a free downloadable app 0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:49.640 on the phone. The value proposition is in connecting people 0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:53.759 with their unique interests, but the problem lies in the 0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.520 fact that it will also connect people who have a 0:37:56.600 --> 0:38:00.200 sexual interest in children with children that they know or 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:03.840 on the platform. It is the scale of the harm 0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:07.279 that has been known to these companies for years that 0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:11.160 is truly astonishing. So what we did is we actually 0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:15.560 created a decoy account using artificial intelligence. We had an 0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:19.480 undercover agent who's actually a middle aged man, who presented 0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:23.760 an account that looked like an underage girl and created 0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:27.719 a profile on the platform, and that account was immediately 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:34.320 inundated with solicitations for sex, graphic child sexual abuse material. 0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:39.000 And what it did is it proved what the company 0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:42.160 has known for years that something on the order of 0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:47.200 one hundred thousand children every single day on the platform 0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:51.440 either received sexually explicit material or solicited online for sex. 0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:56.080 And so we have pulled the curtain back on internal 0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:59.920 communications between trust and safety officials and experts who have 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:04.800 been warning the most senior executives, including Mark Zuckerberg, about 0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:09.799 this harm and the fact that they're specific features that 0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:14.879 could actually facilitate this interaction, and they have repeatedly sort 0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:20.200 of looked at changing the system and usually deferred to 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:26.640 anything that continues to promote engagement and use and basically 0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:30.520 prioritize profit over public safety and the safety of the 0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:33.759 most vulnerable users on the platform. And so we filed that. 0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:34.640 Action last year. 0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:38.440 We followed it up with an undercover operation called Operation Metaphile, 0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:43.399 where we again created accounts, and we arrested three men 0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:46.600 who showed up at a hotel at a motel here 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:49.160 in New Mexico thinking that they were going to be 0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:51.480 meeting up with an underage girl to have sex, and 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:54.000 they actually were taking to custody. What we were trying 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:57.320 to do, though, with that parallel criminal investigation is demonstrate 0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:00.640 to policymakers into parents that the farm where I identifying 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:05.040 isn't just virtual, It isn't this digital experience. It is 0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:09.200 paper thin in terms of the separation between the types 0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:11.719 of experience they're having on their phones and on the 0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:16.520 platforms and the possibility of real victimization in the real world. 0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:20.440 We followed that up with a separate lawsuit against Snap 0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:25.200 because Snap has marketed itself primarily on the benefits of 0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:28.160 what's known as ephemeral content. This idea that you can 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:31.279 picture an image or video, send it to somebody else, 0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:33.920 and it goes away. The truth is, though it doesn't 0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:37.080 go away, it's easily captured, and which means it is 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:41.600 a prime channel by which people can engage in sextortion. 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:45.120 And sextortion is when they trick a young person into 0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:49.320 sending a sexually explicit image of themselves and then immediately 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:52.800 turn around and extort them, saying, turn over this amount 0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:55.200 of crypto, this amount of money, and if you don't, 0:40:55.360 --> 0:41:00.120 we will send these images to your school, to your parents, 0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:04.720 your community. And we have seen teen suicide all over 0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:07.640 the country, all over the world by a lot of 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:10.640 young people, interestingly, a lot of young men who are 0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:14.160 tricked into sending these images, young young boys. And I've 0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:17.880 met parents from all over America who who have lost, 0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:22.040 you know, their thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year old son to 0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:26.000 suicide because they have been tricked into sending this material 0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:28.560 to somebody that then turns around and extorts them. All 0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:32.560 of this though, all of this conduct has been known 0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:35.720 to the leaders and executives inside these companies for years, 0:41:36.040 --> 0:41:39.800 and Congress has just failed to act, failed to regulate, 0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:42.880 and so now it's falling to us. But there's a 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:47.879 unique parallel here because not unlike big tobacco, it's a 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:55.160 big global corporate behemoth that is knowingly marketing addictive, dangerous 0:41:55.200 --> 0:42:00.400 products to young people without due respect for the ultimate 0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:03.879 harm that they could be causing, without telling people about it, 0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:07.759 without providing warnings about what could be there, and ultimately 0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:10.080 they have been able to do that because back in 0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:14.719 the late nineties, Congress granted them broad immunity from liability 0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:17.800 for this action. In the earliest days of the Internet, 0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:21.440 in the passage of the Communications Decency Acts Section two thirty, 0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:25.680 we were trying to facilitate this burgeoning Internet economy and 0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:27.719 that but this was back in the days when we 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:29.400 were all waiting for a dial up tone to get 0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:33.120 on the Internet, were looking at all of this material 0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:36.000 sort of on a laptop, and we're thinking about message boards. 0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:39.040 So there was no smartphones, there was no social media applications, 0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:43.560 and there certainly weren't the kinds of big global corporations 0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:47.640 that we have now and we have watched for the 0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:53.960 last ten years Congress just completely unable to carve back 0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:57.759 or eliminate that that immunity that has been granted to 0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:02.799 these companies. And so we have to from a legal perspective, 0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:06.200 file these cases very much in the same way that 0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:09.160 you file a product liability case, because Section two thirty 0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:13.160 says these companies aren't liable for the third party content 0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:16.520 put out there by someone else, but they are liable 0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:19.640 for the decisions they make about the features that are 0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:22.480 included in their products. And so that's how we're going about, 0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:26.000 you know, bringing these lawsuits. We've been we're one of 0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:28.960 the first states in the country to focus on sexual 0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:32.040 predation and one of the first states in the country 0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:35.680 to actually survive a challenge under Section two thirty. And 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:37.560 it looks like we're going to be able to present 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:40.080 our case to a jury here in New Mexico and 0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:45.480 ultimately hopefully not only recover damages for children who have 0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:48.480 been harmed by these products, but ultimately get injunctive relief 0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:51.200 to change the way these corporations do business. It is 0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:56.319 no coincidence that you have seen update and press releases 0:43:56.560 --> 0:44:01.239 and publications of all of these new safety features, so 0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:06.760 called sactors in so called sort of safety modifications since 0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:10.719 these lawsuits have been filed. And from my perspective, it's 0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:16.080 a cynical attempt to avoid and held account or what 0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:20.240 they have done way that they have prioritized profit over safety. 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:24.000 And when this comes up, you know, we get asked routinely, 0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:26.000 well what do you think about the latest update of 0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:28.399 the newest feature? And what I tell them is, look, 0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:31.279 if these companies, Meta and Zuckerberg and these guys were 0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:36.280 spent as much time focusing on actually making these products safe, 0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:40.040 and if they dedicated the resources that they currently expand 0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:46.640 on lobbyists, lawyers, publicists and marketing firms on just listening 0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:49.640 to their own trust in safety people and redesigning the platforms, 0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:52.960 we wouldn't be in this situation. But you know, this 0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:56.560 is sort of the standard corporate playbook where people get 0:44:56.600 --> 0:45:02.760 called out, people start fearing, shareholders, directors and others start 0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:05.239 thinking about the bottom line, and they think, oh god, 0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:09.799 this is serious. We better start doing something. But you know, 0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:12.799 the steps that they're taking, these are things that could 0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:15.919 have been done years ago. Because they have known about 0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:18.680 these problems for years. They didn't do it until they 0:45:18.719 --> 0:45:20.920 really thought there was a chance that it was going 0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:22.240 to impact the bottom line. 0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:25.160 Yeah, I'm not surprised at all. 0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:29.040 But it does show that the only way any of 0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:32.200 these tech companies are going to behave in a responsible 0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:34.440 way is if they're legally held accountable. 0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:37.759 Right, that's right, But it also shows something else that's 0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:41.319 really really important. It is the disparity that you have 0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:45.160 between the pace of change in legal institutions and the 0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:48.840 pace of change in technology. Right, they're able to operate 0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:54.200 now with technology under a legal framework that was created 0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:58.120 for a totally different world, and the lesson for us 0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:01.319 as a country is that we need to be able 0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:05.640 to close the gap between our ability to adapt to 0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:09.480 a changing technological environment, because what we usually end up 0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:13.799 doing is by the time we've identified a harm, corrected 0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:16.719 for it, come up with a new legislative solution, the 0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:20.200 technology has leapt forward. And what I worry about now 0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:22.720 is that we're going to be having a conversation about 0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:26.160 fixing the problems with social media applications, and by the 0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:28.960 time we correct that, the genie is out of the 0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:32.759 bottle on artificial intelligence and we are once again trying 0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:36.560 to play catch up from a legal standpoint. And I 0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:39.440 think one of the real challenges that we're going to 0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:42.920 face in the next five, ten, fifteen years is to 0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:47.319 see if we can update our institutions to respond more 0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:53.600 effectively and more quickly to a rapidly evolving technological landscape, which, 0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:57.400 as we have seen, can bring great benefits to people, 0:46:57.600 --> 0:47:02.239 to businesses, to productivity, to human connections, to sharing of information. 0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:05.960 But there is always a downside to technology. There's always 0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:08.920 a side of the technology that can be used or 0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:12.160 exploited to horn people, and we have to be mindful 0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:15.080 of that, We've gone through this process too many times 0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:19.360 for us to really think that these companies can be 0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:22.880 trusted to regulate themselves. And there's another really dangerous and 0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:25.920 important element which is hard for people to understand who 0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:28.200 are lawyers and aren't thinking about this, But one of 0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:31.080 the most consequential Supreme Court decisions that we had recently 0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:34.799 was a decision by the Supreme Court to eliminate what's 0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:39.320 called Chevron deference. What that did is the best chance 0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:42.200 that we had as a from an institutional standpoint to 0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:46.800 continue to adapt quickly to emerging threats or emerging potential 0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:51.839 harms was to empower executive agencies to address things that 0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:55.360 a legislative body just doesn't have the technical expertise or 0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:58.960 the understanding to get in front of. By striking that down, 0:47:59.360 --> 0:48:02.440 the Supreme Court has basically placed the burden back on 0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:05.640 Congress to continue updating the legal framework that we have 0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:07.560 in the legal tools that we have to hold people. 0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:11.200 Account right exactly. And I think that's a really such 0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:14.080 an important point. Thank you so much for joining us. 0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:15.160 I hope you wilcome back. 0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:19.680 Yeah, I appreciate the opportunity. 0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:26.759 No moment, Rick Wilson, Yes, our moment of fuckery today, 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:29.839 we're going to talk about everyone's favorite. By the way, 0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:33.120 Donald Trump did say it might be smart to get 0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:37.680 a vice president who's a zero well success Donald for 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:41.120 all right, I almost feel like, if we're going to 0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:44.360 do our moment of fuckery about JD. Vans, we should 0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:49.400 for a second have Jesse first play this video of 0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:53.759 Donald Trump yesterday or two days ago. 0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:55.360 It's a theory he has. 0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:58.960 So Jesse's going to first play Donald Trump's theory of 0:48:59.080 --> 0:49:00.120 vice presidents. 0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:01.840 I love Trump having any kind of theory. 0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:04.439 This guy, he's dumb as a rock. 0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:06.600 Of course, you could make. 0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:09.480 The case that, you know, there's a theory pick a 0:49:09.640 --> 0:49:11.320 really bad vice president. 0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:13.320 That way, they'd never get rid of you. So maybe 0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:17.160 she did a very smart thing. Who does But we're 0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:20.080 gonna say, kamala yaha. 0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:23.240 So that's a theory. That's a theory. 0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:28.080 And now, Jesse Cannon, we're going to talk about Donald 0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:33.600 Trump's vice presidential nominee, who was today on CNN trying 0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:36.040 to defend the indefense. 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:38.080 Ball thank you, So let me ask you. 0:49:38.120 --> 0:49:41.520 Obviously, Trump's former chief of Staff, General John Kelly sure 0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:45.520 was alarmed. He says by what he heard when Trump's 0:49:45.520 --> 0:49:48.080 that he wanted to use the National Guard or the 0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:52.160 Pentagon to go after the enemy within Americans with whom 0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:53.680 he disagrees, including. 0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:54.600 The pelosis Adam Schiff. 0:49:55.239 --> 0:49:57.080 And then he gave an interview he said the Trump 0:49:57.200 --> 0:50:00.239 quote certainly falls into the general definition of fascist that 0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:03.359 he has quote. Certainly an authoritarian admirers people who are dictators. 0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:08.120 You've called him a disgruntled former employee, But why shouldn't 0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:12.840 Americans out there listen to somebody who worked closely with Trump, 0:50:13.760 --> 0:50:17.800 worked with him longer than you've worked with him, retired 0:50:17.840 --> 0:50:23.040 for star Marine general, serve his country honorably, who is conservative, 0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:26.319 who says he agrees with Trump on most policies, but 0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:27.440 is worried about this. 0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:28.360 Aspect of Trump. 0:50:28.640 --> 0:50:30.520 So let me just say two things in response. So, 0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:32.920 first of all, a lot of what John Kelly pretty 0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:35.480 much all of what John Kelly accuses Donald Trump of saying. 0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:38.359 There were other people in the room, Mike Pence's former 0:50:38.400 --> 0:50:41.359 chief of staff, for example, who've explicitly said Donald Trump 0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:44.000 never said those things, right, So one on expansive, guy, 0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:46.880 I'm not going to support Trump because Mike, Mike Pence's 0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:50.239 former chief said that Donald Trump didn't say those things right, 0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:51.120 So that's number one. 0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:51.640 Number two. 0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:54.680 I actually think there's an interesting conversation here to have, Jake, 0:50:54.760 --> 0:50:56.480 which is, why does John Kelly. 0:50:56.239 --> 0:50:57.640 Not support Donald Trump. 0:50:57.920 --> 0:51:00.560 It's about policy, it's not about personality. 0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:01.760 He says, he agrees with Trump. 0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:04.080 On most policy. No, he agrees with Trump on most policy. 0:51:04.160 --> 0:51:07.719 He disagrees with Trump on but how Trump views his 0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:10.520 role and the fascism and the authoritari. 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:11.640 I don't buy that, Jake. 0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:13.480 I don't buy that, because if you actually look at 0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:16.680 John Kelly, at folks like Liz Cheney, the fundamental disagreement 0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:18.640 they have with Donald Trump is even though they say 0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:21.520 that they're conservative, they're conservative in the sense that they 0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:24.480 want America to get involved in a ton of ridiculous 0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:25.560 military conflicts. 0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:27.200 Thank you, Rick Wilson. 0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:31.200 You know, there's a reason why jd. Vance's favorability rating 0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:33.440 is roughly half of Tim Walls is that. 0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:34.600 He's a douchebag. 0:51:35.200 --> 0:51:39.319 He's not just an asshole, he's like a legitimate douchebag. 0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:42.640 This guy knows exactly what he's doing. He's besmirching the 0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:45.360 reputation of a guy who gave forty years of his 0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:48.600 life to our country. Whose son died in combat and JD. 0:51:48.719 --> 0:51:51.759 Vance is thinking you're too dumb to realize what he's 0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:55.920 trying to say. It is offensive, it is cheap, it 0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:59.360 is stupid, and it relies on an audience that doesn't 0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:04.000 understand and that just saying they're globalists. They what wars 0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:08.279 is codeword for we think you're too stupid to understand it. 0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:11.120 Yeah, thank you, Rick Wilson. 0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:13.080 You are welcome as always my friend. I'll talk to 0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:13.439 you soon. 0:52:14.320 --> 0:52:18.680 That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:24.440 every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear the best 0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:28.799 minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. If 0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:31.880 you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a friend 0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:33.960 and keep the conversation going. 0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:35.560 Thanks for listening.