1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Official Jets podcast. Eric Allen here at 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: One Jets Drive, joined by a special guest today, Kirk 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: ben Kirk, former NFL quarterback who is a content creator, 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: a gamer, a father, a husband, And you're coming in today. 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: You're talking to us from Hawaii, which actually I think 6 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: it's five o'clock in the morning. 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: There. It's five o'clock. We just got in yesterday, so 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: I don't want to want to sound like a superhero, 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: so we're still on Central time. Yeah, it's pretty early. 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 1: Listen. I'll tell you what, how much are you enjoying 11 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: things post NFL career because you are so busy right now. 12 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. It's been fun to be able 13 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: to transition the way I have. I do miss playing 14 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 2: and I still miss like being in the locker room 15 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: and stuff. But I've been super fortunate that things have 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: played out the way they have been and a few 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: different things have taken off. 18 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: So can you talk about some of those things that 19 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: have taken off for you? 20 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So I do work with Sleeper, the fantasy 21 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 2: football app where I do just analysis breakdowns. We launch 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 2: a show called Pocket Presence that I do every week, 23 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: and then we do quarterback breakdowns with that in season, 24 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: then out of season, and that's with Sleeper. And then 25 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: I do stuff on my own personal YouTube, just Kurt 26 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 2: Benkirt YouTube where I teach football through Madden. And that's 27 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: probably been like the biggest I would say fulfill the 28 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: most fulfilling one after leaving, because I'm still attached to 29 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: the game just in a way that I want to be, 30 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: and I'm kind of scaling, you know, sharing what I 31 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: know to millions of people. So it's been pretty cool 32 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: to dive into those two things. 33 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: When did that idea originate? Kurt? As far as teaching 34 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: football via Madden, and also as a guy not like 35 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: many who played Madden, you played in the National Football League? 36 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: What helps you in terms of your experience in the 37 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: league as far as taking that and then not only 38 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: playing the game but teaching it to others. 39 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'll start with the first one. It kind 40 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: of came from my background in gaming. So all I 41 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: would say for my second year in the NFL to 42 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 2: the end, I've been signed to a protein for gaming, 43 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: but I was typically competing in like Fortnite called Duty 44 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: and Halo, so a lot of first person shooter games. 45 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: And then with the extra time away from football. This 46 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: first time around, I was like, man, let me see 47 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: like how maddam would go, how the views would be, 48 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: how people would like it. And I started just basically 49 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: Tony romoing my games of that and saying things that 50 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: were gonna happen before they did and what I'm looking at, 51 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 2: and people just gravitated towards it. So that then led 52 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 2: me me to kickstart my YouTube and I hired an 53 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 2: editor and then we got him on full time after 54 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: a few months of like testing it out, and now 55 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: we're just scaling that and creating new series Somewhere. I'm 56 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: like taking myself and redoing my career somewhere. I'm just 57 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: teaching like the best plays and how to read defenses 58 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: and everything like that. So it it came from a 59 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: blend of my background in gaming and then also seeing 60 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: masterclasses of other businesses and like, I think I can 61 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: do this on YouTube, but in a more interactive way. 62 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm mad, Now which quarterback do you like 63 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: operate and with the best, and which system do you 64 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: like the best? 65 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? So I play with Josh Allen a lot because 66 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: I think you need to have a guy that can 67 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 2: move around in Madnes especially I play with Aaron because 68 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: of his quick release in the game. I try to like, 69 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 2: you can just do things with him that you can't 70 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: with other guys. And then Mahomes has something called Hot 71 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: Route Master, which is kind of cheating if you're if 72 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: you know football, because then you can just you get 73 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: like an extra eight routes that you can audible receivers to, 74 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: so I basically have everything at my disposal when I'm 75 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: playing with him. So those three are kind of the blend. 76 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: And then I actually use the Pittsburgh Steelers playbook. 77 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: When I play Why Pittsburgh. 78 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: They have a really good, good empty package that has a 79 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: good pre snap alignment with spacing of the receivers. So 80 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: it just when you get into empty, it makes the 81 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: defense to Claire typically and Madden especially, and so I 82 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: get to basically exploit like quick out routes, pylon routes, 83 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 2: and just stuff that it gets into spacing a little 84 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: bit different than all of these other playbooks. Though. 85 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: Did you like playing empty yourself as far? Yeah, tell 86 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: me about it. 87 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 2: So some coaches philosophies when you're getting blitzed a lot 88 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: is to bring more of a protection in block it 89 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 2: up and have like three man routes, and mine is 90 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: the opposite, Like I want to know where I'm getting 91 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: hot from and throw off of that, And I'd rather 92 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 2: I'm like a creative player, So when I play in 93 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 2: real life, I try to scramble and make plays on 94 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 2: my feet. And I think when you have seven people 95 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 2: blocking and seven or eight people blitzing, it's a lot 96 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: of people in the box that you can't really navigate 97 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 2: through as a scrambler. So I'd rather have five of 98 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: my guys blocking with more space and be able to 99 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: scramble and create plays. 100 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: All Right, You're a fascinating dude in your content is 101 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: really engaging. But a lot of Jets fans are probably 102 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: listening right now. We're watching them, like Kurt bind Kurt, 103 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: what's the connection here? Well, let's go back twenty twenty one, 104 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: the summer twenty twenty one when you were a Packer 105 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers was the quarterback. I remember actually watching 106 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: you take snaps there because the Jets practice with the 107 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: Packers for a week. Let's go all the way back 108 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: even before summer though, when the Packers signed you. What 109 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: was your first interaction with Aaron? 110 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 2: So he wasn't there that summer for OTAs, and that's 111 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: actually the reason why I got signed. It was me, 112 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: Jordan Love, and Blake Bortles and Aaron was having contract talks, 113 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: and so when I got signed, I was like, Okay, 114 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be a camp arm, but I'm going 115 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 2: to show them what I can do it hopefully find 116 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 2: what it sticked around, and then Aaron got back, got 117 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: his deal done, and they actually ended up cutting Blake 118 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: and kept me throughout the whole season. So they must 119 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: have liked what they saw enough of OTAs it could 120 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 2: keep me around. And then my first time actually meeting him, 121 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: it's a good story. I'm going in for what was 122 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 2: it training, Yeah, for training. Came and go to the bathroom, 123 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: go to take a pee, and he's walking up next 124 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: to me to the urinal right next to me. That's 125 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: my first time meeting him, and so he knew like 126 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: my face from seeing it online, and I obviously knew 127 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: who he was. He'd been like my childhood favorite player, 128 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: and so I just look over as we're both peeing, like, Hey, 129 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: I'm the new quarterback. Nice to meet you. I didn't 130 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: expect to meet you this way, but glad to be 131 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 2: here whatever. So it was just a funny moment. And 132 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 2: if you know his personality, obviously enjoy stuff like that. 133 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: Did you make eye contact when you were saying what up? 134 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: Eye contact at this level the whole time? Yes? 135 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: And then how did your relationship develop from there? Because 136 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: you have unique experiences, because it seems like in a 137 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: short time you guys grew pretty close. 138 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it grew so fast because he appreciated 139 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: that it wasn't just twenty four to seven football for 140 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: me and I have like balance in life and like 141 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: things outside of football. I love football, obviously I'm obsessed 142 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: with what I do, but I do know how to disconnect. 143 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 2: And I think he's had experience with guys probably that 144 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: don't necessarily know how to do that, And that's who 145 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: he is as a person too. Like he gets his 146 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: work done, he's always prepared, always ready, He's obviously the 147 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: top of the game, but he has things outside of 148 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: football day's interested in. So it doesn't just want to 149 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: talk about it all the time. And from the very beginning, 150 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: I wasn't just like trying to, you know, ask all 151 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: these football questions and learn from him all the time. 152 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 2: So we had common interest outside of football things that 153 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: I was into. He knew that I was into gaming 154 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: at the time and signed out pro team, so like, 155 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: he loved that. He used to play Halo back in 156 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 2: the day, so that was like our first kind of connection. 157 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: And then after that, you know, experience has happened, the 158 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: season happens, media stuff happens, and he loved that I 159 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: was not afraid to speak my mind in the media, 160 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: even though I was a practice squad quarterback at the time. 161 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 2: That's just kind of how I've always been. So he 162 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: really appreciated that. And there was like a like the 163 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: thing with the COVID stuff, with the immunization and all 164 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: of that that went down, and I publicly kind of 165 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: put my neck out there for him, and he really 166 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: appreciated that. But it was just he was getting dragged 167 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: that year like undeservingly. So it just, yeah, we grew 168 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: through a bunch of different experiences in one year. 169 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: So how good of a Halo player was Aaron? And 170 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: what other games did you play alongside him? Did you 171 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: play many? 172 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: We never, we never played together. We talked about it though. 173 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: He he loved talking about it. He would see the 174 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: clips that I'd be posting, and at that time, Halo 175 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 2: Infinite had just came out, so it was just there's 176 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: a lot of like stuff on the timeline about that game. 177 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: But he just he loved that I was into things 178 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 2: outside of football and growing business outside of football while 179 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: I was playing. So he obviously thought that was decent, 180 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: decently cool in his world. 181 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: So what would I What would you said if I 182 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: told you way back when that at Rogers was actually 183 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: going to end up with the Jets back in twenty. 184 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: One, man, I would have first asked, what's the connection 185 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: and how did it get there? Because I don't think 186 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 2: he does anything without purpose, and so to know that 187 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: he was gonna go, and Hackett was gonna go, and 188 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: he was gonna get some of his guys, and I 189 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: would have thought, like, yeah, there's definitely a chance there. 190 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: I would have been. I was kind of shocked though 191 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 2: with obviously how they moved on in Green Bay from him, 192 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 2: but timing wise, that's just kind of how Green Bay operates. 193 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: So yeah, I was less shocked about the green Bay 194 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: moving on. I would have been decently like shocked about 195 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: where he ended up, but I think it all makes sense. 196 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: Did you know when you're in that situation that hey, 197 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: not only obviously Rogers is a future Hall of Famer, 198 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: but Jordan loved This guy's going to be pretty good himself. 199 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, so from the beginning with Jordan, I always 200 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 2: thought that he had like a unique way of playing 201 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 2: and like a different skill set, and that it wasn't 202 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 2: really fair for him to have to try to emulate 203 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: Aaron every day in practice or try to like kind 204 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: of follow in his favorite plays and stuff. So I 205 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 2: was just hoping that at some point this year for Jordan, 206 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: he would have the chance to have the offense be 207 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: more his own, have plays be catered more towards him, 208 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: like the style of things. And I think that changed 209 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: around like somewhere between week six to eight. But I 210 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: knew he had He's a talented passer, he just is 211 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: a little bit unorthodox and how he gets it done. 212 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: And he's a baller like he can he makes plays 213 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 2: all over the field, gives us guys chances, typically knows 214 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: when to take the risks when not to. And for 215 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: him being his first full year, it's been cool to 216 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: see like his progression because he was not who he 217 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 2: is today in year one, two three, Like it's taken 218 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 2: time to get there, which he would say the same thing. 219 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: And Kurt, that's something you continue to preach out there 220 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: to folks on social media, and that's not a platform. 221 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: Social media platforms are often not about patients. But you're saying, hey, 222 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: listen a lot of times, it takes quarterbacks time, necessary 223 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: time to develop well. 224 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: And I think it's just it's you're playing. People don't 225 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: understand that College to the NFL is it's like two 226 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 2: different games. It's not even like playing football that just 227 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 2: slowly ramps up. It's a completely different game that you're learning. 228 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: It's in college, it's about exploiting space, get the ball 229 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: in the hands of people that have speed, a lot 230 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 2: of bubbles, the hashes make such a big difference that 231 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: people don't understand, Like the wide side of the field 232 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: in college is a lot wider than the white side 233 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: of the field in the NFL. And that changes play calling, 234 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 2: splits like it changes everything. And so in the NFL 235 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: you have to really learn as a quarterback one protections matter. 236 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: It's like number one is a quarterback knowing where you're protected, 237 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 2: knowing what problems you have and what answers do you 238 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: have on any given play and in college, at least 239 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: in my scheme and a lot of these other schemes 240 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 2: that I'm watching, it's full slide, a running back's blocking 241 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: a d end and you have to get the ball 242 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 2: out quick and quick game. Or it is a tight 243 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: end and a running back responsible for a d n 244 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: and the line is still full sliding. A lot of 245 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: teams use that full slide, where in the NFL you 246 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: would only ever use that when you're getting zero blitz. 247 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: And so that was my first like light bulb that 248 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 2: went off, like, wait a minute, this is a different 249 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 2: game of chess than I was ever playing. Yes, we 250 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 2: can all throw the ball, we can all run, we 251 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: can all do these things, but like how you get 252 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: to those point, the point of like having successful plays 253 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: time and time again in situational football, there's things we're 254 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 2: never preached in college. At least where I was, it 255 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: was just get the ball to your guys in space, 256 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: read the triangles in the zone, and take man beaters 257 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: if you got them. And that's it was simple. It 258 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 2: is just as simple as that. And so I just 259 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: think that stuff takes some guys longer than others, and 260 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 2: some guys are more talented but aren't given the time 261 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: to get to that point where it's second nature, and 262 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: that's why you see guys in your ten, twelve, fourteen, 263 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 2: fifteen start to actually like hit this consistent rhythm that 264 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: a lot of guys don't get the chance to get to. 265 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. You were just tweeting about former Jets 266 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: quarterback Gino Smith his development late in his career. As 267 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: far as approaching the chess board, What does Rogers bring 268 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 1: to the table from a mental standpoint. 269 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, as a. 270 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: Guy who's forty years old, he's going to be heading 271 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: into year forty one here in the National Football League. 272 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 2: I think that are you? And is this in regards 273 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 2: to like other quarterbacks in the room or just what 274 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: he has to the take. 275 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: What he I guess I would say, Kurt, like what 276 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: he brings out there just in the huddle and then 277 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: go onto the line of scrimmage itself. 278 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's not a look that he has not seen. 279 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: And I think that that helps a lot, because one 280 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: I would say, when you're preparing for teams one, you 281 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: have to be prepared for your own game plan first, 282 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: and then you have certain plays, especially in a WESCO system, 283 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: that are very defense dependent that you have to watch 284 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: more for more film for When you've been in it 285 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: that long, your film study, I would imagine, gets a 286 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 2: little bit slighter, a little bit like not as long, 287 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 2: because you're knowing exactly what you're looking for. You're not 288 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 2: just watching the games just to watch them and feel 289 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: it out, like you know exactly what you're looking for. 290 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: You're looking for the third down tape, the red zone tape, 291 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: the specific situations on third and you know three to 292 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 2: six then eight to ten plus your break the game 293 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 2: down specifically. So for him, he's just trying to see, Okay, 294 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 2: in this situation, what are they gonna do? Got it? 295 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 2: It's in my toolbag. I know that. That's what I'm 296 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: to expect this week. Where with younger guys, I feel 297 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: like there's so much time spent watching all the film 298 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: possible that you actually slow down the game or you 299 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: make the game harder to play because you're slowing down 300 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: your processing because there's so much information overload. Where in 301 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: a West Coast system, you really just need to know 302 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: your stuff, know the few things that they're gonna do, 303 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 2: and then know the matchups and the players that you're 304 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 2: trying to pick apart. So for him, it's that processing 305 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: that I just think he's not wasting as much time 306 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: on the things that don't matter when he's preparing. And 307 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: then on top of that, you have a guy that 308 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: situationally had been in every situation possible in a game 309 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 2: that you can bring those guys in the huddle around 310 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: and say, look, this is what we're to expect. If 311 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: it's third in you know three, Hey, we're gonna probably 312 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: get heavy man here. Expect blitz because this is this 313 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: coordinator's tree. Like he says stuff like that in the 314 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: meeting room without even having to watch the film because 315 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: he knows who these guys are, and he knows the 316 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: names of all the rest, like down to that point. 317 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: And so when you have that type of guy leading 318 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: the way, there's just these hidden like attributes that level 319 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 2: up everybody else on the team that everybody plays betterny 320 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: of a guy like that. 321 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: What's the quarterback room like with him in there? We 322 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: saw a glimpse of that Darren hard knocks and we 323 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: got one Jets drive here the Jets in house documentary team. 324 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: But for a guy lived it and breathed it every day. 325 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, So it's is such a good ability to 326 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: flip the switch to like when it's time to get 327 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: shit done, sorry, get stuff done, get stuff done, and 328 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: yeah it's a podcast. When it's time to get stuff done, 329 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 2: you get it done. And then also when it's time 330 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 2: to be one of the boys, you can be one 331 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: of the boys. And he does such a good job 332 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: of navigating that line and going back and forth between 333 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: that that I think it just there's like a calmnist 334 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 2: to win when he's around and obviously healthy and an 335 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: asset to the team that you just can't even like 336 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 2: quantify that. And that's what we felt like with when 337 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: we were in Green Bay, like it didn't really matter 338 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: like if we felt like we had a great game 339 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: plan that week, or if it was like, ah, maybe 340 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: there are a better defense than us. Like Aaron's gonna 341 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: lead the way and find a way and navigate it 342 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: and have to like deviate slightly off course if he 343 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: has to in a game, or I think sometimes if 344 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: the young quarterback, there's no deviation. You're just gonna stick 345 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: to the game plan. And if you guys are gonna lose, 346 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: you're probably gonna lose without like risking your job. And 347 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: so he brings that to the table and the meeting 348 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: rooms are just like I don't know. He he enjoys 349 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: having fun. There's mini games and like like basketball and 350 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: darts and all that stuff. But then you you also 351 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: flip the switch and get to business. 352 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: So for you a guy who can call Aaron his friend. 353 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: When you're watching September eleventh, Jet spills, he goes down 354 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: on the fourth play, what goes through your mind? 355 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: Man? I almost cried for him because I felt that 356 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: just like sink in my stomach of what I know 357 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: he's kind of went through to get to that point. 358 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: And it wasn't like Sunshine and Roses to become a Jet. 359 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: It was a lot of like outcast and it was 360 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: like being kicked out and moved on from right Like 361 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 2: this was his redemption to why they shouldn't have moved 362 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 2: on so soon. And that's how I felt like this 363 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 2: was going to play out this season, and to see 364 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: it get cut short and one, especially with the way 365 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 2: that the roster was, but the way the defense was 366 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 2: for the Jets this year, with the young talent with Brees, 367 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 2: with Garrett Wilson, like it felt like for the first 368 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 2: time he had some of these things that had been 369 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 2: missing like the defense for one, that he didn't have 370 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: to be a superhero this year to make things work. 371 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: He could have played his game, played efficient, played accurate, 372 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: and you guys would have had a good path where 373 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 2: things change obviously when that injury happens and the defense, 374 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 2: it's like kind of felt like a wasted good defensive year. 375 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 2: And so it was just this opportunity that you know, 376 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: he talks about it a lot too, like that year's 377 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 2: team will never be that year's team again, right, So 378 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: to miss the twenty twenty three season with the way 379 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 2: that it looks, it's just a missed opportunity to where, now, okay, 380 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, what's the defense going to look like, 381 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 2: what's the offen's gonna look like, what's the rest of 382 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 2: the division going to look like? Are they getting better? 383 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 2: They're getting worse? This year just felt like there were 384 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 2: a lot of good qu question marks in the Jets 385 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 2: favor had he not gotten hurt. And next year it's 386 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: gonna be a little bit harder. But you're gonna have 387 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 2: Aaron Bach speak. 388 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: To that about it being a little bit harder, and 389 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: what do you think he's facing as far as twenty 390 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: twenty four is concerned. 391 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I look at the division and I'm looking 392 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: at one of the Dolphins look like they're getting worse 393 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 2: in free agency. They've lost a lot of guys. I 394 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 2: don't know what the draft looks like, obviously with the 395 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: amount of picks, but they got to nail their draft 396 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: to in my opinion, get better. You're either you're getting 397 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 2: better or worse in the NFL every season, there's no 398 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: in between. I'm looking at the Bills and they've cleaned house, 399 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: but they cleaned a lot of older players out, so 400 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: who are they going to bring in? Who are they 401 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 2: gonna have, Like, you lose some of that veteran leadership. 402 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 2: So then I look at it as the beginning of 403 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: the season is often harder when you have a younger team. 404 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 2: It's just kind of how it goes. You look at 405 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 2: the Packers last was the same case. So I'm looking 406 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 2: at the Bills and the Dolphins like, Okay, they still 407 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 2: have some of their guys. They still have good players. 408 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 2: You're gonna have to handle them, but there might be 409 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 2: a little bit of an opportunity early in the season 410 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 2: before they catch their groove to use some of the 411 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: veteran leadership and having some of the older guys around 412 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 2: with the Jets to get some of those wins early 413 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: that are a little bit easier. And then I look 414 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 2: at the Patriots, and last year was an unfortunate missed 415 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 2: opportunity to not be able to take advantage of a 416 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: bad Patriots team. I think they're gonna get better this year. 417 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 2: They're gonna play a little bit more inspired. Their roster 418 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: isn't where obviously it needs to be to compete with 419 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: all the other teams in the division consistently, but I 420 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: think they're going to play more inspired football, so they're 421 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 2: not just going to be a walkover team. But I 422 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 2: think this year again it looks like it's a good opportunity. 423 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,239 Speaker 2: I think your guys's team wise, like defense should be 424 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 2: better than they were last year. An offense, I just 425 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 2: think he's gonna play well, like I think though his 426 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: achilles doesn't affect his playstyle as much as it would 427 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 2: other guys. The year to take care of his body 428 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 2: on all the other things, which is also sometimes a blessing. 429 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 2: So I think it's another really good opportunity for you 430 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 2: guys to go and take it. And now it's what's 431 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,719 Speaker 2: the rigor of the season gonna look like. Is there 432 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of injuries? Is it what happens? 433 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 1: So that's a really interesting point you just said. You 434 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: don't think his achilles is going to impact his play 435 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: style as much as it would other guys. Can he 436 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: elaborate on that? 437 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so's he's a scrambler. Sorry, there's a chuck rolling by. 438 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: He's a scrambler, but he doesn't scramble to run. He 439 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 2: scrambles us to get out of the pocket, shrambons to 440 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: get out of space. He scrambles and get out of space. 441 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 2: And he doesn't need that extra burst necessarily to change 442 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: his like to change a game. He just needs to 443 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: evade that first guy and typically I feel like an 444 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 2: achilles yet you lose some of your burst. But he's 445 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: got enough juice in the tank to make guys miss 446 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: and enough savviness to play within that one by one 447 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 2: frame that he talks about, like the yard by yard 448 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 2: box that he likes to play in, like that precision 449 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 2: precision passing game is not going to change. Might be 450 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: a little slower on scrambles, but he's still gonna get 451 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 2: out of the pocket, and he's still gonna make plays 452 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 2: on the run, but he just might not see him 453 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 2: break off a twenty yard run or whatever it might be. 454 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 2: But knowing him, he's gonna he's gonna do it. He's 455 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 2: gonna stay told you just so when he sees this. 456 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: So everybody talks about the importance of continuity along that 457 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: offensive line. What do you think about some of the 458 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: additions the Jets have made in free agency and how 459 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: can Aaron help those guys as far as protections are concerned. 460 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: You got Tyron Smith, an eight time Pro bowler, a 461 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: five time All Pro, the two time first team All Pro, 462 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: three times second team All Pro coming in a left tackle. 463 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: You got John Simpson at left guard, and then Morgan 464 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: Moses Returns at right tackle. That on paper is three 465 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: new starters. 466 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a stout line, and I think it's a 467 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 2: it's a lot of like those are big dudes. It's 468 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 2: not just like their agile dudes. They're big dudes. They 469 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: take a lot of space. And I think for Aaron, 470 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 2: the way that he plays, he's comfortable with guys being 471 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 2: in his lap, he's comfortable with guys being pushed into him. 472 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: He doesn't play as well when he's got free rushers. 473 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 2: So I think those are the types of guys offensive 474 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: play style wise that like, look, it's okay you can 475 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: get push back and get deep, but you're not just 476 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 2: gonna get like ripped through and let guys free. And 477 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: I think part of letting guys free which saw last year, 478 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 2: like Zach just he's not at the level of what 479 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 2: Aaron was in protections. And Aaron can take two or 480 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 2: three different protections that are talked about in the week 481 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 2: and blend them together mid game to get exactly what 482 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 2: he wants even if it's like not talked about, and 483 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: he has his answers, He's always prepared with the protection. 484 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 2: It's what he's so good at. The people I don't 485 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 2: think really talk about enough because of how accurate he is, 486 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 2: but he's really good at taking hits off, buying that 487 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 2: extra half a second to get the ball out, and 488 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 2: he's also comfortable with like standing in there and delivering 489 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 2: last second. So I just think you're gonna see some 490 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: plays pop up this year that obviously didn't even have 491 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 2: the chance to come to Fruition last year, just off 492 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 2: a protection alone between the beefyr o line and the 493 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: rules that he's going to be applying to them. When 494 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 2: they're picking up pass pro problems. 495 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: You Mitch Garrett Wilson bresee Hall before Sunny Stars in 496 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: the National Football League entering year three? What else do 497 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: you think the Jets should do around those guys? Tyler 498 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: Conklin is a good tight and I thought he played 499 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: very well last year. Sixty one catches as well, and 500 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: his production should be interesting with a guy like Rogers 501 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: fire on the football. But what other offensive skill pieces 502 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: do you think the Jets should be interested in here 503 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: as the offseason progresses. 504 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys have picked ten in the first round. 505 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: I believe, yes, yep, yeah, I'm the I had one 506 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 2: mock that if brock Bowers falls, I know, like I 507 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 2: don't like taking tight ends top ten or top I 508 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 2: don't even like taking them really in the first round 509 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: if you can get at value later. But he's he's 510 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: really good, Like he's a really good player. And I 511 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: think for someone like Aaron with his play style, having 512 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 2: an explosive tight end with a good catch radios could 513 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 2: be just a lot of really easy first downs on 514 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: third downs. So I look at it from that perspective, 515 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 2: and then I also look at like you have a 516 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 2: dune who if he falls to ten. I mean, it's 517 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 2: never you can never go wrong taking a game changing 518 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 2: receiver in my opinion that early. I don't know what 519 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 2: the defense looks like at this point, but I mean 520 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 2: I think Aaron's going his entire career without having a 521 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 2: receiver taken top ten, maybe first round. Like, So, to 522 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 2: think of it from that perspective, what happens if you 523 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 2: have a Garrett Wilson on one side and then and 524 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 2: then Dune's say, if he drops her neighbors, if he 525 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: drops I think it could be pretty cool. You look 526 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: at Joe Burrow in the success that he's had. He 527 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: has a loaded receiver room with Jamar Chase and t Higgins. 528 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: They Tyler Boyd like mixing. Aaron cannoperate at a really 529 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 2: high level with guys like that around him, and I 530 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 2: would like to see maybe one more piece of firepower. 531 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: Veteran quarterbacks. We talk about Brady in the past, he 532 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: likes a certain type of receiver. Yeah, is Rogers the 533 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: same way? Or like, what would a transition transition be 534 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: for a young guy coming in and playing with a 535 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: guy like Aaron. 536 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the first thing is being aware of all 537 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 2: of his signals and all of his like one on 538 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 2: one checks. That's probably number one. There's there's signals in 539 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 2: plays and routes that were not rammed this year because 540 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 2: Aaron wasn't there doing it. That great example, DeVante Adams 541 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 2: had a route in the red zone I think it 542 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 2: was like week fifteen, thirteen fourteen, something like that in 543 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one where they just called a route that 544 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 2: they had from four years prior on a whim on 545 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 2: an old signal that they scored a touchdown on because 546 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 2: the leverage was not what they had predicted in the 547 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 2: film room. He was supposed to run a I think 548 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: a go or something and he ended up running like 549 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: a delax lant. And that that's something that was never 550 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 2: talked about. I mean, if we had ram what was called, 551 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 2: it would have been stonewalled, and so there were no answers. 552 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 2: So he went and found an answer that they had 553 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 2: from years past. So to have a guy like that one, 554 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 2: I think he has that in Garrett Wilson. They're preparing 555 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: him to be that guy. But you have to be 556 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 2: ready for those signals that come up that maybe aren't 557 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 2: in the game plan but you talked about a month ago. 558 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 2: That is a big adjustment for him to start trusting you, 559 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: and once he has your trust, I mean it's it's over. 560 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 2: So I think for a guy like him, he basically 561 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 2: is playing Madden out there. When he's playing, he's got 562 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: the full playbook available, he's got his full experience available. 563 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 2: He can audible anything at any time if he wants to. 564 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 2: And so the younger guys, when you can get caught 565 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: up to that speed and get on that same level, 566 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 2: you'll play earlier and you'll play better. 567 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: Well, can you tell us about the Nathaniel Hackett slash 568 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers system because we didn't have the opportunity to 569 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: see it last year when Rogers goes down and obviously 570 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: the Jets end up playing with four different quarterbacks and 571 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: they start thirteen different offensive line combinations. 572 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I would say the best analogy I can 573 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 2: use for those two, I would say, Hackett, have you 574 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: ever seen like the uh my daughter's like three right now, 575 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 2: and she loves these coloring books. But you have to 576 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 2: like draw the lines and then you can color in 577 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 2: them like you've connected out some color. 578 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: Yes, I would say, my daughters four. 579 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 2: Okay, so you're in, You're in the thick of it. No, 580 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 2: I would say, Nathaniel Hackett connects the dots, draws the lines, 581 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: and makes the that stencil. Aaron will go color it 582 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: in within certain a palette. However, if he wants to 583 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 2: where you have other guys like the guys that you 584 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 2: had last year, I don't think we're coloring it in. 585 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 2: And I don't know if the way that the offense 586 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 2: was designed would have really helped many other quarterbacks because 587 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 2: it was specifically set for Aaron. And so I love 588 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 2: Hackett to death. I think him and Aaron are going 589 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: to do a great job this year. I think that 590 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 2: the way that it's set up for Aaron is not 591 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 2: set up to work for other guys. But it kind 592 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 2: of felt like all eggs in the basket for Aaron 593 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 2: this past year. So I would say you're gonna know 594 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 2: within a like a range of what to expect with Aaron, 595 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 2: and every game will be a little bit different. But 596 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 2: Hackett man, he does such a good job of prepping, 597 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 2: of giving you all the information you need, of every 598 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 2: look you need all week long, what to expect. This 599 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: is why we're attacking it the way we are, and 600 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 2: even though it may not be the best way to 601 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: attack it, one week over another, you at least know 602 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 2: he has reasoning behind why he's doing it that way 603 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 2: and that's what he believes in. And so with that, 604 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 2: Aaron has given all of that, and then it's his 605 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,239 Speaker 2: job to navigate and weave throughout the game, going back 606 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: and forth with the coach to figure out the best 607 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 2: way to navigate that game. And I think that's something 608 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 2: that people don't understand about NFL football is like some 609 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 2: guys play like a robot, and those guys I don't 610 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: think have like deep success throughout the season. There's only 611 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: one guy, and I think it's Peyton Manning that played 612 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 2: like a robot that found a way to have success 613 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: at a high level for a long time. I would 614 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 2: say Brady somewhat like that. But he also lend himself 615 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: more to being like an artist from time to time, 616 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 2: especially in situational football. Aaron plays as the game like 617 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 2: a straight up artist. And so for someone to give 618 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: him the canvas, give them the lines, this is what 619 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: we're expecting. These are the shades and pallets and everything 620 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: you can use for or using this drawing, this piece 621 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 2: of art. Go do your thing. That's how Aaron operates, 622 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: and that's how he's successful. And I think you'll see 623 00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 2: that this year. I really do. 624 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: He's got an interesting way about himself. Anybody who's been 625 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: with him inside the locker room speaks to that. Can 626 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: you talk about Aaron and did you always see a 627 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder and inherent chip on his shoulder? 628 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: And what about his position specifically heading into twenty twenty 629 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: four where he's going to turn forty one in December, 630 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: he's coming off to Achilles and everybody's going to be 631 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: counting them out, probably more than ever. 632 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one guy I would not bet against for sure. 633 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 2: I think he will do things just because you said 634 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 2: he couldn't do it, to prove a point. And I 635 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 2: think that's what's made him so successful. He's had that 636 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 2: from the beginning before he even got into the NFL, 637 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 2: when he was in junior college getting into a Division 638 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: one program, and he's had that. That's how he's wired, 639 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 2: and so he's wired that way. He's extremely talented. He's 640 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 2: only gotten better and he is a master of his game. 641 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 2: I think a guy like him, he's not like a 642 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson that needs his legs and like a Russell 643 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 2: Wilson that needs his legs to operate like. He could 644 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 2: be pinpoint accurate and delivering with a tight space around 645 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 2: him for a long time. And I think he could 646 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 2: play as long as he wants to. Just like Tom Brady, 647 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 2: I think he could have kept playing. I think the 648 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,239 Speaker 2: game you do need to move around a little bit, 649 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 2: and I think Aaron does that. But I think he's 650 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 2: gonna he's gonna bring all of that together this year, 651 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,719 Speaker 2: and I think the guys in the locker room are 652 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 2: gonna elevate because of it. 653 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: As someone who enjoyed his experience with Aaron so much, 654 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: would you like to see the Jets add a quarterback, 655 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback here on Day three the draft? Obviously 656 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: they signed to Rod Taller, an accomplished guy who's had 657 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: a number stops in the National Football League. This is 658 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: his seventh organization, But you know, Taylor, you have definitely 659 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: upgraded the backup spot. Would you like the Jets to 660 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: add a young guy as someone who's been in that 661 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: position before? 662 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I think, And I don't know, like a 663 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: day three pick, Like I think a Day three pick 664 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 2: undrafted guy makes sense for like what the goals are 665 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: right now. I think if you waste. If you waste 666 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: anything earlier, it's an opportunity costs that you're losing on 667 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 2: another player that could be a stud, especially in such 668 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 2: a deep receiver class, Like there's gonna be guys day too, 669 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 2: going all day long that can play. So yeah, I 670 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 2: do think though, like if a guy like Spencer Rattler falls, 671 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 2: I could see him benefiting heavily from being around Aaron. 672 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 2: I don't think he will. I think he's getting more 673 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 2: kind of trending up a little bit. I think it'll 674 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: be like an early day too. But I could see 675 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 2: like a young guy with talent that's maybe just a 676 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 2: little raw, really benefit and expediting his development and transition 677 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: to the NFL by going and being in a room 678 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 2: with him because the footwork, Like everything starts with footwork, 679 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 2: Everything starts with like progression, under knowing everything, understanding the line, 680 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 2: understanding the rules. And Aaron is so much of a 681 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 2: master of that stuff that we just forget about that 682 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,479 Speaker 2: because he throws well, but those things are the details 683 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 2: that he does not miss. And I think being around 684 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: him every day for me, I spent three years with 685 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 2: Matt Ryan and he was awesome for me. I learned 686 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 2: a lot. I learned how to play the game from 687 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: like a methodical way, but Aaron took it to a 688 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: new level and a different understanding for me that like, 689 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 2: actually it resonated even more so I felt like I 690 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 2: took a bigger jump from that one year there and 691 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 2: than I did in the three years trying to figure 692 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 2: it out in Atlanta. So I could see it being 693 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 2: a huge benefit to a young kid. 694 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: Well, I've had a lot of fun, man, catch it 695 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: up with you in your content is tremendous, Hey, I 696 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Why do you remind fans where they can 697 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: find you right now? As far as it because you're 698 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: on all these different platforms, Yeah, go ahead. 699 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I use them all a little bit different. But 700 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 2: it's just Kurt ben Kirk k U rt b e 701 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 2: n k e r T everywhere. Twitter is more of 702 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 2: my opinions and my takes and kind of what's on 703 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 2: my mind. YouTube is more methodical with teaching football TikTok, 704 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 2: who the hell knows what happens on TikTok, and then 705 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 2: I live stream on Twitch from time to time when 706 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 2: I slay that. So it's kind of everything acrosss the board. 707 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: And what would you tell people about your journey as 708 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: a guy who grew up in Florida, went to East Carolina, 709 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: you made the transfer to the Wahoo's the University of Virginia, 710 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: and then you have a number of stops in the 711 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: National Football League, and now you're making your way here 712 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: across all these kind of content platforms. 713 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say the biggest thing that I learned 714 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 2: is that you have to take matters into your own hands. 715 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 2: And for me, like I had played for five years, 716 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 2: but I'd just been sitting and waiting and waiting for 717 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: an opportunity, and I decided that I needed to start 718 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 2: doing things outside of football that I could move forward 719 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 2: and that I had control over it, because at the 720 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 2: end of the day, in football, I was still relying 721 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: on someone either missing a game, getting hurt or something 722 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 2: to see the field, and that's just what it was 723 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 2: going to be as an undrafted guy. So I think 724 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 2: you have to not be afraid to pave your own 725 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 2: way and do your own thing and do things that 726 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 2: you enjoy doing, and if you can monetize them on 727 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 2: the way, then that's obviously a. 728 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: Plus awesome advice. We hope we can catch up here soon. 729 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 2: Kurt. Of course, we'll be in touch. Have a go 730 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 2: one mm hm m m m