WEBVTT - The Ranch Bid

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<v Speaker 1>So you were part of the government that did the

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<v Speaker 1>Bluesterm acquisition. That's correct. What was that process like? Fast?

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<v Speaker 1>Really really fast. This is Raymond Redcorn. He's retired now,

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<v Speaker 1>but until recently he was assistant Principal Chief of the

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<v Speaker 1>os Age Nation. That was his title in when the

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<v Speaker 1>rumors started, we'd only heard them for about a week

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<v Speaker 1>that that ranch, Ted Turner's Bluestem Ranch might come up

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<v Speaker 1>for sale. Ted Turner's Bluestem Ranch more than forty acres

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<v Speaker 1>of land in os Age County, owned by the billionaire

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<v Speaker 1>founder of CNN land he might be selling that could

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<v Speaker 1>be up for grabs for the first time in years.

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<v Speaker 1>And then a cowboy out there called Chief and told

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<v Speaker 1>him that it was true, and they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>be on a really tight timeline and successful bidders would

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<v Speaker 1>have to get pretty much everything together for a purchase

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<v Speaker 1>worth tens of millions of dollars in thirty days. This

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<v Speaker 1>was land made up of so many original os Age allotments,

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<v Speaker 1>a huge chunk of land that the Osage Nation had

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<v Speaker 1>bought more than a century ago, that the tribe had

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<v Speaker 1>held the property title too before the US government privatized it.

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<v Speaker 1>This ranch had been built up in the decades after allotment,

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<v Speaker 1>long before Ted Turner bought it in the early two thousand's,

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<v Speaker 1>and before Ted Turner held title to this land, another

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<v Speaker 1>big rancher had it, a man named Chuck Drummond. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the grandson of one of the Drummond brothers who started

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<v Speaker 1>the family's cattle business, Cecil Drummond. Some of the parcels

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<v Speaker 1>that made up Turner's ranch were deedd to Cecil along

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<v Speaker 1>time him ago, including a section William Hale owned before

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<v Speaker 1>he went to prison. That land passed to another white

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<v Speaker 1>man who later sold it to Cecil in other sections

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<v Speaker 1>the Drummond spot more recently, but in two thousand one,

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Drummond did something his family really did. He sold

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<v Speaker 1>the sprawling piece of land. Ted Turner was the buyer,

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<v Speaker 1>and some fifteen years later Turner was putting it on

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<v Speaker 1>the market again. All of us who have lived here

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<v Speaker 1>our entire lives understood that this represented an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>buy one of the biggest chunks of mos Age County

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<v Speaker 1>that would come on the market in our lifetime. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was he just took a deep breath and let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how it's going to turn out, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna swing for the fans and see we can

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<v Speaker 1>see if we can get this done. Swing for the fence.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what the O st Age Nation had to do

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<v Speaker 1>if it wanted a chance to own this land again.

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<v Speaker 1>So they swung hard. This isn't trust. I'm Rachel Adams

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<v Speaker 1>heard Raymond Redcorn and other O Sage government leaders spent

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty tent several weeks trying to buy Ted Turner's

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<v Speaker 1>Blue Stem ranch. We'll get to that, but the story

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<v Speaker 1>of that moment the Osage Nations chanced to buy the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest piece of os Age County coming on the market

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<v Speaker 1>in Raymond's lifetime. It couldn't have happened without something else,

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<v Speaker 1>something that happened a decade earlier. This was when Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Gray was chief. You heard him in the first episode.

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<v Speaker 1>What I remember from that night was it, why has

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<v Speaker 1>it taken so long? It doesn't normally take this long, doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>This is June of two thousand two, election night. Jim's

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<v Speaker 1>on the ballot, He's running for chief. He and his

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<v Speaker 1>family and supporters are waiting on the results. He has

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<v Speaker 1>it always done this point, No, no, what they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>a difference this year. What are they doing difference this year? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're they're They're not doing it by hand, They're

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<v Speaker 1>running it through a machine. I said, we shouldn't. That

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to make it quicker. So it was after midnight,

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<v Speaker 1>probably twelve thirty or something like that, and everyone's getting tired.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people left, you know, but the die

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<v Speaker 1>hards are still hanging out, you know. And next thing

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<v Speaker 1>you know, boom, they put the final results on there

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<v Speaker 1>and there was a couple of my supporters were in

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<v Speaker 1>front of me and I was standing behind him and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, what is it? What is it? I think

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<v Speaker 1>My cousin turned around, looked at me and he goes,

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<v Speaker 1>you would And it was just like, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just blown away. I mean, my whole family came.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a big group hug and there was just

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<v Speaker 1>screaming in Holleran and no one saw that coming. It

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<v Speaker 1>was I didn't see it coming. Jim didn't see it coming,

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<v Speaker 1>in part because he was pretty young as far as

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<v Speaker 1>political candidates go. He was also running on something kind

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<v Speaker 1>of radical. He wanted to completely reform the stage nation's government,

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<v Speaker 1>write a new constitution, build a new nation. Because When

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<v Speaker 1>the n Act allotted the reservation, it also dismantled the

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<v Speaker 1>Stage Nation's existing government appointed a whole new governing body

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<v Speaker 1>called the O Stage Tribal Council, But Jim says that

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<v Speaker 1>new government was limited in power and that left the

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<v Speaker 1>Stage Nation vulnerable. We didn't have the power to do

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<v Speaker 1>anything except meat once a month to prove oil leasas

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<v Speaker 1>go about your business. That was it. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>a very minimal role. But when people started getting killed,

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<v Speaker 1>people were looking to the Council for leadership, but by

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<v Speaker 1>that time they were powerless. They didn't really have any

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<v Speaker 1>power to do anything. This whole time, under the rules

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<v Speaker 1>of the Act, the only O s Ages who could

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<v Speaker 1>vote in tribal elections were oth ages who had head rates,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning a lot of people were disenfranchised from their own government.

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<v Speaker 1>They couldn't vote until an older relative passed away and

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<v Speaker 1>they inherited their head right share. I mean, when you

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<v Speaker 1>lost your ability to govern yourself, and then you see

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<v Speaker 1>what happens when you're not able to govern yourself and

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<v Speaker 1>you get exploited, it's easy to see why something had

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<v Speaker 1>to change. And it wasn't going to change from the outside,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was going to have to change from the

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<v Speaker 1>inside out. Efforts to reform the O s Age government

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<v Speaker 1>had gone on for decades. In the early nineties, the

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<v Speaker 1>group of O s Age citizens brought a lawsuit that

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<v Speaker 1>resulted in a court ordered government reform. O s Age

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<v Speaker 1>voters approved a new constitution, one that opened up citizenship

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<v Speaker 1>beyond just os Ages who had had rights. But within

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<v Speaker 1>a few years another court decision reversed that. So we

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<v Speaker 1>got a taste of what democracy was like, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it was taken away from us, and that government that

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<v Speaker 1>was there for just maybe a couple of years had

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<v Speaker 1>disappeared and it was replaced by the tribal council again.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time Jim ran for Chief, conversations about reforming

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<v Speaker 1>the os Age government, we're taking on new urgency. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a real concern that because of the way the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen of six Act was word in, the US government

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<v Speaker 1>could decide the Osage nation no longer existed once the

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<v Speaker 1>last original latt died. There were some people at the

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<v Speaker 1>Solicitor's office in d C that felt like that was

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<v Speaker 1>the basis of the trust if you don't have any

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<v Speaker 1>original lattis. Because they closed the roles in nineteen O

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<v Speaker 1>six didn't make any more oth Sages in the eyes

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<v Speaker 1>of the law. Then do we still have a trust

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<v Speaker 1>relationship to the oth Age. That was a question that

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<v Speaker 1>no one really had a clear answer to. And in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand two, almost a hundred years after allotment, there

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<v Speaker 1>weren't many original a lot teas left. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>discussions were happening in oth Age country about how long

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<v Speaker 1>can we keep doing this? Knowing that the population of

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<v Speaker 1>oth Sages without a head right is starting to out

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<v Speaker 1>number the o Sages with head rights. How long can

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<v Speaker 1>we keep doing this? We're losing original lot tease every year.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jim runs for chief on reforming the government for good,

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<v Speaker 1>coming up with the government that served all oath Ages,

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not they had a head right. Mostly, he

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<v Speaker 1>told me he didn't think he'd went He just thought

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<v Speaker 1>he was forcing the issue into the spotlight again, getting

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<v Speaker 1>people to talk about it, to come up with a

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<v Speaker 1>path forward for the Osage Nation. But as Jim campaigned,

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<v Speaker 1>a sort of coalition formed, and on that night in

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<v Speaker 1>June of two thousand two, it wasn't just Jim who

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<v Speaker 1>want on the idea that the oth Age Nation did

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<v Speaker 1>a new constitution. Everybody who ran and won on that

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<v Speaker 1>council ran on that issue as well. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest wipe out in a tribal council election since it started.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we all knew it was time. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we all felt it. I mean one member of the

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<v Speaker 1>council in particular. Really, we were at one of those

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<v Speaker 1>political events where everyone got a chanced to speak for

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<v Speaker 1>a few minutes and sit down, you know. And this

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<v Speaker 1>gentleman was probably in his late seventies and his mom

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<v Speaker 1>lived into her nineties and he took care of her.

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<v Speaker 1>She was in a nursing home and all that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and when she finally passed on, he finally got to

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<v Speaker 1>vote at the age of seventy seven. If there ever

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<v Speaker 1>was a poster child for government reform, he was it.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a living, breathing an example of what's wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>That should never have been the case. He should never

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<v Speaker 1>happen to wait that long to consider himself O Sage.

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<v Speaker 1>And his talk at these events was so emotional you

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't help but draw tier just hearing him talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the oth Age Nation's existing government was established under

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen o six Act, the os Age Nation wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be able to reform its own government without the US government,

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<v Speaker 1>without an Act of Congress. Jim says this was the

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<v Speaker 1>only federally recognized tribe with this kind of arrangement. Other

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<v Speaker 1>tribal nations were able to determine who is the citizen themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>but the os Age Nation needed to get federal lawmakers

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<v Speaker 1>on board to change those rules. So that was the

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<v Speaker 1>first step, simple an Act of Congress. I was under

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<v Speaker 1>no illusion that when I campaigned in two thousand two,

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to get a federal law passed. I

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<v Speaker 1>know how sketchy politics is in Washington, and I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>that naive to think that, oh, yeah, I'll do this,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll knock it out. In two years, we'll be back

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<v Speaker 1>in business. You know. That's that's that's crazy talk. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though it seemed like a long shot, Jim and other

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<v Speaker 1>O s Age leaders got to work. They lobbied the U.

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<v Speaker 1>S Congress, made their case. They brought lawmakers down to

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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma to hear from O s Ages who were unable

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<v Speaker 1>to participate in their own government. And sure enough, in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand four, Mr Speaker, I'm here today to bring

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<v Speaker 1>my strong support HR twelve to reaffirm the inherent sovereign

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<v Speaker 1>rights of the O Sage tribe to determine their membership

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<v Speaker 1>and form of government. Because of the law created in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen o six by this Congress, the O Sage tribe

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<v Speaker 1>have not been afforded the same rights as every other

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<v Speaker 1>federally recognized tribe does. Is taped from the House floor

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<v Speaker 1>as U s lawmakers are about to pass the O

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<v Speaker 1>c Age Reform Act. The bill is simple short. They

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<v Speaker 1>are basically two key lines. The First Congress hereby reaffirms

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<v Speaker 1>the inherent sovereign right of the O s Age tribe

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<v Speaker 1>to determine its own membership, provided that the rights of

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<v Speaker 1>any person to O Sage mineral estate shares are not diminished.

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<v Speaker 1>Thereby in the Second Congress hereby reaffirms the inherent sovereign

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<v Speaker 1>rights of the O Sage tribe to determine its own

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<v Speaker 1>form of government. The question is, well the House suspend

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<v Speaker 1>the rules and pass HR so many as are in favor,

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<v Speaker 1>say I, those opposed No. In the opinion of the Chair,

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<v Speaker 1>two thirds of those present having voted in the affirmative,

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<v Speaker 1>the rules are suspended to the bill is passed without objection.

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<v Speaker 1>The bill passed the House in June two thousand four,

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<v Speaker 1>and a few months later it passed the Senate. It

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<v Speaker 1>was unanimous from both houses. You know how they do

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<v Speaker 1>those list of bills that are in controversial, like naming

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<v Speaker 1>a street or something, or post office, you know. So

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<v Speaker 1>the House did their version, the Senate did their version,

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<v Speaker 1>and it went to the President's desk for siting mature.

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<v Speaker 1>In December third, two thousand four, he signed it. The

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<v Speaker 1>oth Age nation could decide who its citizens were, and

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<v Speaker 1>it could create whatever kind of government it wanted. This

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<v Speaker 1>is also when the real work began because the oath

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<v Speaker 1>Age Nation it needed a new constitution. It was just,

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<v Speaker 1>oh gosh, it was kind of scary. This is Priscilla Iba.

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<v Speaker 1>She was on the commission that was in charge of

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<v Speaker 1>writing the new constitution of ice chair. She helped lead

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<v Speaker 1>listening sessions as they tried to figure out what people

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<v Speaker 1>wanted from this process, what they wanted from their government.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think people did say I'm ost age before,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was always that feeling that all, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really not. I can't vote on anything, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have any say in what goes on. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was truly just having to say and

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<v Speaker 1>that just obviously makes you feel like that government is yours,

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<v Speaker 1>is tribe is yours. Priscilla told me, these meetings went

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<v Speaker 1>about how you'd expect them to. People have different ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't always agree. They wanted to know what would happen

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<v Speaker 1>to the mineral estate, how the O s Age nation

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<v Speaker 1>would decide citizenship. Even establishing the process for coming up

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<v Speaker 1>with those answers was challenging. No one on the Commission

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<v Speaker 1>had ever written a constitution for a sovereign nation before.

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<v Speaker 1>Priscilla said, it was rocky. At first. We were just

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<v Speaker 1>glassy eyed, you know, we didn't know what we were doing,

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<v Speaker 1>but we were ready to be trying. We learned a

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<v Speaker 1>lot and talked to a lot of people, and there

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<v Speaker 1>were some rough moments early on because we didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>each other and we didn't trust each other. We didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the same politics, we didn't have we were all

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<v Speaker 1>very different. A year into the process, Priscilla tells me,

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<v Speaker 1>the Commission was still finding its feet. The commissioners consulted

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<v Speaker 1>a dozen O Sage lawyers and hired a program coordinator,

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<v Speaker 1>a woman named Hepsy Burnett, who would later serve as

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<v Speaker 1>the new government's chief of staff. Was that mission that

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<v Speaker 1>that I can't stress enough that must have just held

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<v Speaker 1>us together truly to have a constitution that reflected what

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<v Speaker 1>the old Sage people wanted and what were you hearing

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<v Speaker 1>from people they were confused to? They were confused to.

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<v Speaker 1>So they had questions for us that, you know, what's

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<v Speaker 1>dis government going to look like. We kept telling them

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to be for you to decide. And so

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<v Speaker 1>we had questionnaires and we had all kinds of things

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<v Speaker 1>that went out in the mail. But then we still

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<v Speaker 1>had town meetings. The Commission worked for two years. They

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<v Speaker 1>held meetings in oath Age County, but also in Texas

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<v Speaker 1>in California. Jean Dennison, a citizen of the oath Age

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<v Speaker 1>Nation and an Indigenous studies scholar who wrote a book

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<v Speaker 1>about the government reform, counted more than forty meetings in all,

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<v Speaker 1>each about two hours. Then, in January two thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 1>the Commission and its staff and consultants gathered for a

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<v Speaker 1>three day writing retreat at a hotel and holsa. It

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<v Speaker 1>was time to write the oth Age Nation's new constitution.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the next several weeks, the constitution took shape. On

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<v Speaker 1>March eleventh, two thousand and six, there was one final

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<v Speaker 1>vote whether or not the O s Age people would

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<v Speaker 1>adopt this constitution. We were all in Pahuska and then

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<v Speaker 1>we had a little kind of a little party, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess with the commission. We were all nervous. We were

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<v Speaker 1>all really nervous. While we were talking, Priscilla's husband's skip

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<v Speaker 1>pulled something from a cabinet, a scrapbook Priscilla made from

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<v Speaker 1>that night over photos votos Jim. Alongside those photos, Priscilla

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<v Speaker 1>had a copy of the election results from that night.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see, shall the constitution be approved? So yes? Was

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<v Speaker 1>a total of one thou and fordered in fifty four,

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<v Speaker 1>which was sixty six. The only thing I remember is

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<v Speaker 1>signing it. It was very special and I just I

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<v Speaker 1>have a nice handwriting, and I look at that and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that doesn't even look very good because I

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<v Speaker 1>was just nervous. It was a wonderful feeling and very proud.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, we were so proud. All that work

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<v Speaker 1>paid off. Later that year, members of the Commission in

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<v Speaker 1>the Youth Age Tribal Council formally signed the constitution in

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<v Speaker 1>transition to the new government. This is cape from that night.

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<v Speaker 1>It took a lot of people to make the constitution happen,

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<v Speaker 1>not just Jim or Priscilla, put an entire community. In

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<v Speaker 1>the video of the ceremony, the room is packed, every

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<v Speaker 1>seat is filled, people are standing in rows looking over

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<v Speaker 1>each other. That night in two thousand and six, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been told, was a big celebration. Almost exactly a hundred

0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:21.000
<v Speaker 1>years after the n Act, the O s Age Nation

0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.600
<v Speaker 1>was creating the government it wanted on its own terms.

0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Jim Gray started off the signatures, the ceremonies, polidation, hours

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<v Speaker 1>and years and generations of hard work. We all had

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<v Speaker 1>a constitution, big heavy leather bound copies of it, and

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<v Speaker 1>we all signed our signature on. Each one of us

0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:47.040
<v Speaker 1>put our names a signature on there. But I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we had this big moment where all the

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<v Speaker 1>councilmen and me and the commissioners were all in this

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<v Speaker 1>one big line and we were signing these documents and

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<v Speaker 1>handed to each other, and it was just going back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth, back and forth until we got them all bed,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and then I launched into my version of history.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we talk about moving forward, and I do

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<v Speaker 1>want to get into that a little bit today. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about the past. Our people were never many,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were fierce, and they were proud, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were self sufficient, and they exercised their own sovereign And

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<v Speaker 1>as we look back at that period of time leading

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<v Speaker 1>up into t o A, when after a visit with

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<v Speaker 1>President Jefferson Ball, they will says nation entered its first

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<v Speaker 1>treaty with the United States. So I'm going through this

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<v Speaker 1>history of telling everyone how the treaties that the tribe

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<v Speaker 1>entered into resulted in a loss of huge amounts of

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<v Speaker 1>our territory and our land, but worse, a loss of

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<v Speaker 1>who we were. Our culture, our customs are oral traditions,

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<v Speaker 1>the things that we would only pass down from one

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<v Speaker 1>elder to a younger person. And it was during that

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<v Speaker 1>period of time that we we reached within ourselves to

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<v Speaker 1>find a new definition of Osage and it took leaders

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<v Speaker 1>at the time like the Chief Bigheart would initiated and

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<v Speaker 1>lead an effort to draft a constitution of the So

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<v Speaker 1>they started a constitutional form of government that tried its

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<v Speaker 1>best to capture what they could from that old way

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<v Speaker 1>and bring it up to a new way under a

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<v Speaker 1>document that was voted on by the o s Age

0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:45.879
<v Speaker 1>people that they that governed them. You know, and we

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<v Speaker 1>used that to build up our tribe again, slowly but

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<v Speaker 1>surely start building it up. In nineteen one, we lost

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<v Speaker 1>that constitution the Secretary of Interior, and that's when federal

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<v Speaker 1>policies started hitting us, like the Allotment Act. But Congress

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<v Speaker 1>went a step further. They not only decided who was

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<v Speaker 1>an Oth s Age, they also decided how the O

0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:13.960
<v Speaker 1>s Age government was going to be run and what

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<v Speaker 1>their functions were going. This was the government of the

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<v Speaker 1>O s Age people's design. It's not what they wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>They already decided what they wanted, but in the phase

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<v Speaker 1>of the political winds of the day, the O s

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<v Speaker 1>Ages took the congressionally created Oth Sage Tribal Council with

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<v Speaker 1>the Chief and Assistant Chief and tried to make this

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<v Speaker 1>work for the betterment of the people. It was impacted

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<v Speaker 1>even further by the boarding school era. They were taking

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<v Speaker 1>kids out of their communities and sending him to boarding

0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:49.280
<v Speaker 1>schools to you know, destroyed that cultural part of who

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<v Speaker 1>they were and tried to make them little white people

0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:57.959
<v Speaker 1>that had no knowledge of being Indian. And it devastated

0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.640
<v Speaker 1>a generation of O s Ages because of the policies,

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<v Speaker 1>But through the success of our ceremonies, the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>many O stage families who retained their wealth, they were

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<v Speaker 1>able to preserve our language and our culture in homes

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<v Speaker 1>in the villages. They were able to protect our ceremonies,

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<v Speaker 1>the lunch. They were able to make sure that that

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<v Speaker 1>drum was going to continue to beat every year in June.

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<v Speaker 1>They took care of that drum. They took care of

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<v Speaker 1>the people. They took care of those ceremonies and celebrations

0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:30.720
<v Speaker 1>that defined us who we were. All this at a

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<v Speaker 1>time when federal policy was doing everything it could to

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<v Speaker 1>de tribalize Indian people, to separate us from our God,

0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:44.879
<v Speaker 1>to separate us from our traditions and our language. And

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<v Speaker 1>at that point, I could just say, here's I say

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<v Speaker 1>all of this history to say this, at no point

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<v Speaker 1>since our first interaction with the United States government did

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<v Speaker 1>we ever stop fighting for our people or sovereignty. And

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<v Speaker 1>as I go on, I wanted to I want to

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<v Speaker 1>do something right now because it's something I think is important.

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<v Speaker 1>Because what I'm talking about is how the Old Station

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<v Speaker 1>nation has survived. Even though they had a governing document

0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.239
<v Speaker 1>that was not of their creation, they tried to make

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<v Speaker 1>it work as best they could. And I would like

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<v Speaker 1>to ask everybody in this audience who has a relative

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<v Speaker 1>or as descendant of a relative, who has ever served

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<v Speaker 1>on the Old States Tribal Council, please stand, Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you very much. You saw it in those early treaties.

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<v Speaker 1>You saw it in those removals. You saw it in

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<v Speaker 1>us buying this land here. You saw how we preserved

0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:57.119
<v Speaker 1>the mineral state in the nineteen Act. You saw it

0:23:57.320 --> 0:24:02.280
<v Speaker 1>in our commitment to Heck, we declared war on Japan

0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:05.280
<v Speaker 1>and Germany through a Tribal Council resolution after in World

0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:08.920
<v Speaker 1>War Two, after Pearl Harbor, a resolution, i might add,

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<v Speaker 1>has never been rescinded. We're stubborn folks, you know. O

0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Sages had never given up the notion of sovereignty. It

0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:21.119
<v Speaker 1>didn't just happen on my watch. It has been the

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:30.440
<v Speaker 1>accumulation of generations of oh Ages. A year after the

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<v Speaker 1>new constitution was adopted, Jim sent out a survey to

0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:36.680
<v Speaker 1>oth Age citizens. He wanted to know what they wanted

0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:38.960
<v Speaker 1>from their new government, what they thought should be the

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<v Speaker 1>top priorities, and survey after survey came back with the

0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:49.720
<v Speaker 1>same answer. Land, or more specifically, buying back land expanding

0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the O s Age Nation's reservation base because finally the

0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:57.000
<v Speaker 1>O s Age people had a government that was theirs.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally they had the ability to take back what had

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<v Speaker 1>belonged to them a century ago. But if there's anything

0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:09.040
<v Speaker 1>that you can you hopefully learn from all this is

0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:13.040
<v Speaker 1>that host I just never gave up. They never gave

0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:16.399
<v Speaker 1>up trying to retain the things that made us who

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:19.720
<v Speaker 1>we were. And I think the same attitude that drove

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 1>the O Sages to come to this land here and

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:27.560
<v Speaker 1>buy it outright so that we would never move again,

0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:32.159
<v Speaker 1>is the same attitude that drew the O Sages to

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<v Speaker 1>buy the Turner ranch. It's part of who we are

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:56.960
<v Speaker 1>when we come back the Blue Stemac position. After the

0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:59.680
<v Speaker 1>O s Age government reform, there was still a long

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 1>way to go to make good on O s Age

0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:05.400
<v Speaker 1>citizens desire to buy back land and expand the reservation base.

0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:09.879
<v Speaker 1>Federal policies over the last hundred years had worked to

0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 1>strip land away from the os Age Nation and its citizens.

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:16.479
<v Speaker 1>So when those rumors made their way to Raymond when

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:19.919
<v Speaker 1>he was Assistant Principal Chief, the rumors that Ted Turner

0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:23.920
<v Speaker 1>was selling his ranch, Raymond didn't waste any time he

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<v Speaker 1>started working the phone, spent his Christmas holiday talking to bankers, lawyers,

0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:33.920
<v Speaker 1>other stage government officials. We were simply trying to map

0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:38.280
<v Speaker 1>out a path from point A to point B, having

0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 1>never done anything like this before. Ever, it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit hard for me to not get emotional at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>We all understood that it was and historical inflection point

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<v Speaker 1>for the os Age nation, and we all carry with

0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:07.399
<v Speaker 1>us our ideas about the future and our ideas about

0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:14.200
<v Speaker 1>the past. Mine can be summed up very easily. With

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:17.320
<v Speaker 1>the purchase of this ranch, we would be able to

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:20.320
<v Speaker 1>do something we had not done for two years if

0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:36.480
<v Speaker 1>we needed to, and that was feed ourselves. That represents,

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:38.880
<v Speaker 1>if you think about it, even in the modern context,

0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 1>that represents an enormous amount of sovereignty and independence. To me,

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:53.240
<v Speaker 1>it's the ultimate safety net socially, economically, and certainly from

0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 1>just the simple aspect of food, shelter and clothing. That's

0:27:57.240 --> 0:27:59.359
<v Speaker 1>how it looked at me, and that was my motivation.

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.480
<v Speaker 1>The stakes were clear to Raymond, to the Chief to

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:12.720
<v Speaker 1>Chief Jeffrey. Standing there, Raymond told me a lot of

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 1>people were supportive of the purchase, but others were skeptical

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 1>it was going to cost a lot of money. Land

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:22.760
<v Speaker 1>in O s Age County is valuable. This was a huge,

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:26.879
<v Speaker 1>contiguous ranch with prime grass for ranchers to graze cattle

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:31.920
<v Speaker 1>or bison or horses. Raymond knew they'd have competition. The

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Osage Nation was going to have to bid high if

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to win. The Nation was in a better

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.959
<v Speaker 1>financial position than before, thanks in large parts revenue from

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 1>the casino businesses it started opening in two thousand two,

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 1>but spending so much of it at once made a

0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>lot of O s Age citizens nervous. My responsibility was

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 1>to work Congress because I sit with him as assistant chief,

0:28:56.480 --> 0:29:00.240
<v Speaker 1>spent eight years on the Congress prior to that, and

0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:07.200
<v Speaker 1>so I knew the rules and it was lobbying, pure

0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 1>and simple. The primary goal of the lobbying was to

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 1>get the Congress to get the price up as high

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 1>as we could get it. Freeman told me he could

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:22.600
<v Speaker 1>feel the pressure. They didn't want to lose the bid.

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 1>The Nation also had to secure the financing for the land,

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 1>and they had to do all this in thirty days

0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 1>when the bids were due, or they'd miss out. Raymond

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 1>went back and forth with members of the O. S

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:38.000
<v Speaker 1>h Congress they had emergency meetings narrative on a number.

0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:41.560
<v Speaker 1>The highest bid they'd let Raymond and Chief Standing Bears submit.

0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 1>The Congress has met for the final time, they've established

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 1>the maximum number. I've been advising Chief all along on

0:29:54.760 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 1>general strategies related to a bidding and auctioneering. And he

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:04.040
<v Speaker 1>always sits at one end of the conference table. Want

0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 1>I always sit on the other. And that's exactly where

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:10.360
<v Speaker 1>we were the morning after Congress gave us the number.

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:13.280
<v Speaker 1>So he sat down and he said, you go first.

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>I said, okay, well, I think the number needs to

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>be this, and the way I arrived at that is

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:24.440
<v Speaker 1>is man, you know. And I explained my rationale of

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 1>how I ended up with this number, which was blow

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:32.360
<v Speaker 1>that of the Congress. He said, no, that's not what

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do. He said, We're just gonna bid the max.

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 1>And I lean back in my chair and I said really.

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 1>He said, yeah, we're just gonna big the max. I'll

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:47.479
<v Speaker 1>be fully responsible for it. And he said, I can.

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:49.840
<v Speaker 1>It's really easy for me to tell you why we're

0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna bid the max. I said, why is that? He said,

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 1>because there's only two outcomes, we win or we don't win.

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 1>And I will take the heat from Congress all day

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 1>for maximizing the bid for their maximum appropriation, but that

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 1>will fade over time. And what will never fade is

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>if we swing for the fence and miss because we

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 1>did not maximize our bid. And as soon as he

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 1>said that, the political wisdom of it occurred to me immediately,

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 1>and I said, I'm I'm, I'm good with that because

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 1>it made since it wasn't It wasn't a financial decision

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 1>or a business decision. It was a really simple thing

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 1>about how history was going to view what we did.

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>The amount. Chief Standing Bear told Raymond the oc Eage

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Nation would bid the maximount with seventy four million dollars.

0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 1>It was a closed bidding process. Raymond would have to

0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 1>deliver the bid in person to an office in Kansas

0:31:56.720 --> 0:32:00.480
<v Speaker 1>where the land broker was. Raymond brought company a man

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 1>named r. J. Walker. R J was on the Sage

0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Congress at the time. Now he's the assistant Principal Chief.

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 1>I've talked to him about this day too. He called

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 1>it fateful. Raymond showed me a picture of that morning,

0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 1>the morning they drove a seventy four million dollar bid

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 1>to Kansas. Oh wow, so yeah, it looks like it's

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:26.000
<v Speaker 1>so it's Scott confidential and red ink all over its

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Age Nation Executive branch. And at this point Congress doesn't

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 1>now that we put the whole number in there either.

0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 1>The broker was in a town called Hutchinson, Kansas, almost

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:39.480
<v Speaker 1>three hours away from Pahaska. They had until four thirty

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 1>that afternoon to submit their bid, but Raymond and r

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 1>J weren't taking any chances. They left Osage County first

0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 1>thing that morning. And oh, Stage police have been notified.

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 1>We checked in from time to time and if for

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 1>any reason we were in an auto accident or anything else,

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:02.840
<v Speaker 1>and we joked about is they would send the o

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Stage Nation police up, they would pick up. They would

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 1>leave us roadside bleeding to death, and they would pick

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:10.960
<v Speaker 1>up the bid and they would go on to Hudge

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 1>and deliver. Well, it wasn't quite like that, but that's

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>how we thought it. The main thing. Yes, so they

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 1>were like basic backup, back up to the bid to them,

0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 1>regardless of what happened to us. I hope that doesn't

0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 1>speak to how goofy we might appear. I hope it

0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:42.720
<v Speaker 1>speaks too how important we thought it was by the

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 1>time they got there, they ended up having plenty of

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 1>time to kill, so they made a stop before going

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 1>to the broker's office. Yeah, we were just in a

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 1>good will store passing time because yeah, we both bought

0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:57.440
<v Speaker 1>a jacket and we both still own the two dollar

0:33:57.560 --> 0:33:59.480
<v Speaker 1>jacket the suit jackets that we bought it. And I

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:03.280
<v Speaker 1>remember that. Raymond said there was a reason they didn't

0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 1>go straight to the broker's office hand in their seventy

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:09.840
<v Speaker 1>four million dollar bid right when they got there. We

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 1>were in hutch we were new, We made the time

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 1>and everything. There's also sometimes when you're among native people

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:20.480
<v Speaker 1>for a really long time and you begin to understand history,

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:24.920
<v Speaker 1>your trust level is um It does not go all

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 1>the way to the bottom there. There's some things you

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:33.160
<v Speaker 1>just do not trust. And our Jane I talked about it,

0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:35.400
<v Speaker 1>but we weren't going to just lay that down and

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:38.800
<v Speaker 1>walk off. We just weren't going to do that because

0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 1>under nefarious circumstances, which we did not think it was,

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 1>but we weren't taking any chances. Anybody could have shown

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 1>up at any time that day and delivered the bid.

0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:51.919
<v Speaker 1>The deadline was for thirty anybody could put whatever number

0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:53.879
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to do in there, so we were gonna

0:34:53.920 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 1>wait until it that was not a possibility. We just

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:04.719
<v Speaker 1>sat there with ours in our hands. Four o'clock got

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>there and there still wasn't. There's only two bids, and

0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 1>we expected three. We didn't know we had our own

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 1>grapevine going, but we we knew that there might be

0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:20.400
<v Speaker 1>as many as three bids and possibly four, but the

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 1>number that we kept hearing was three. So Raymond and

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:28.560
<v Speaker 1>r J wait outside the broker's office all day bit

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 1>in hand, waiting to turn it in at the last

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:34.719
<v Speaker 1>possible moment. So it's four o'clock. We're sitting there, still

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 1>chit chatting with with the broker, and I reached a

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 1>point where it's like, let's just go. I mean, I

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 1>was kind of bored. I mean, we've had enough talk

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:48.840
<v Speaker 1>with him that and we knew what our number was.

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:52.719
<v Speaker 1>So r J did not want to leave. R J

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:55.480
<v Speaker 1>wanted to stay. He said, no, I think we should

0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 1>stay here. I said, r J, it's gonna be like

0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:01.239
<v Speaker 1>super awkward. We're sitting here for an hour and a

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:03.560
<v Speaker 1>half and then another bidder walks in and we've been

0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:07.799
<v Speaker 1>sitting here for this long. I mean that that that's

0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't smell good, and so it was as much

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 1>for appearances as anything else. And I was in the

0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 1>executive branch and invited r J long, So r J

0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 1>kind of reluctantly relented, and we said goodbye and left

0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:29.319
<v Speaker 1>our bid. At about ten ever or four, we leave

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:32.360
<v Speaker 1>his office. He's on the fourth or fifth floor. We

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 1>leave his office, walked to the vestibule outside the elevators

0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 1>and there's a cowboy standing there with a briefcase, and

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:46.239
<v Speaker 1>we're getting ready to go down and he's just arriving.

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:50.759
<v Speaker 1>And as we're going down, r J says, you think

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 1>that was that other guy? I said, I don't know,

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:57.319
<v Speaker 1>r J. I'm really tired of thinking about it. I'm

0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:00.759
<v Speaker 1>just we're out. Let's just go. So we went back

0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:03.719
<v Speaker 1>to the car, we got in and we headed home.

0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I checked in with chief, told him we delivered the

0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 1>bid successfully, et cetera. And as it turns out, the

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 1>gentleman was the other bidder, and we did not know

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:22.399
<v Speaker 1>that at the time. But we're on our way back,

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 1>we figured the last bid has been submitted. We don't

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:29.879
<v Speaker 1>know where we stand. It's two and a half hour

0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:34.160
<v Speaker 1>drive home. We are still on I we are less

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:38.760
<v Speaker 1>than an hour out of hutch but we're still in Kansas.

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:44.640
<v Speaker 1>My cell phone rings and he said, I have reviewed

0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:53.640
<v Speaker 1>the bids, I have spoken with Ted Turner, and you

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:59.920
<v Speaker 1>are a successful bidder and at present you're the high bid.

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Raymond knew when he got this call that it wasn't

0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:06.200
<v Speaker 1>the end of it. There were still a lot of

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 1>other details to be worked out, the financing, all the

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 1>legal stuff, everything involved in a massive land deal. But

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:16.439
<v Speaker 1>he was the first person in the O s Age

0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Nation to know that their bid there are seventy four

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:24.160
<v Speaker 1>million dollar bid was the highest, that if everything else

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:28.520
<v Speaker 1>fell into place, they'd own this land again. And as

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 1>that starts to sink again, Raymond feels elated, just delated.

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:42.719
<v Speaker 1>We pulled. We pulled over on the side of my

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:48.920
<v Speaker 1>got out high five. I just didn't want to try

0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:52.279
<v Speaker 1>to drive and talk about this. At the same time.

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Chief was incredulous that we I was incredulous that I

0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:58.759
<v Speaker 1>gotta call him away out. I mean that that was

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:03.799
<v Speaker 1>like totally unanticipated. It was wonderful. Did you what did

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 1>you say to r J? Because I assume you were

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:07.440
<v Speaker 1>you were on the phone, so he can't hear, like,

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:10.360
<v Speaker 1>what did you tell him? I just remember we're in

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 1>a in that ford. We call it the Chief mobile. Uh,

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:17.799
<v Speaker 1>we're in that ford and we pull over and he said,

0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:23.279
<v Speaker 1>he said, your ship man. I said, no, I'm not.

0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:28.120
<v Speaker 1>And um he was. He was every bit as giddy

0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:32.360
<v Speaker 1>as as I was. Giddy. Is a really good to

0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:45.239
<v Speaker 1>describe how he felt with that. The deal closed six

0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:50.719
<v Speaker 1>months later in June, nearly one fifty years after the

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Each nation bought this land from the Cherokee Nation, they

0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:57.520
<v Speaker 1>owned a big piece of it again. It was just

0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 1>an incredible feeling to be so close to um to

0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 1>to an historical inflection point. Um. It was, I don't know,

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 1>it's it. I'll never have that feeling again, I don't

0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:22.200
<v Speaker 1>think um And to have it once, uh, in your

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:27.680
<v Speaker 1>tribe's history is a lot. It's it's a really good feeling.

0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 1>And I'm I'm proud of us for doing that. It

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:35.320
<v Speaker 1>does go without saying that that this never would have

0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:39.040
<v Speaker 1>happened if not for the reformation of the government. So

0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 1>that old saw about you know, standing on the shoulders

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:45.719
<v Speaker 1>of those that came before you. There were sacrifices in

0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:49.480
<v Speaker 1>in visionaries in the past and in o s Age

0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:52.839
<v Speaker 1>government going all the way back to the sixties um

0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:57.840
<v Speaker 1>that we're trying to move us out of what we

0:40:57.960 --> 0:40:59.880
<v Speaker 1>were in the position we were placed in. And I

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:04.399
<v Speaker 1>can know six in the years since, the Osage Nation

0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:06.879
<v Speaker 1>has brought in more bison to graze on this land,

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 1>cattle to the tribes also bought some more land, nothing

0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:13.960
<v Speaker 1>like the Blue Stem acquisition. That much land doesn't go

0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:16.840
<v Speaker 1>on the market very often. But the os Age nations

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:20.400
<v Speaker 1>buying property in downtown Pahaska, building a new health center,

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:25.239
<v Speaker 1>a food processing plant. There's still something outstanding with the

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:29.319
<v Speaker 1>ranch the nation bought from Ted Turner. Right now, it's

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:32.520
<v Speaker 1>held in something called the simple the most common way

0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:35.880
<v Speaker 1>to own real estate. Oth Age leaders want to change

0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:38.960
<v Speaker 1>that to make sure that land can never again lead

0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the os Age Nation. They want to put the land

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:48.719
<v Speaker 1>in trust. One must remember at the purpose of the

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:55.240
<v Speaker 1>land into trust process was instituted by the United States

0:41:56.160 --> 0:42:03.360
<v Speaker 1>to allow tribes to go back and re acquire lands

0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:07.360
<v Speaker 1>that may have been lost for any number of reasons

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:14.560
<v Speaker 1>and taken out of out of the tribe's hands. And

0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:19.920
<v Speaker 1>so it's a level of protection that you couldn't get.

0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:25.200
<v Speaker 1>The land is not health and trust, that's correct, It's

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 1>it's a nine and day difference between fee and trust.

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.720
<v Speaker 1>But there's a problem. When the oath Age Nation applied

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 1>to have this land put into trust, the federal government

0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:39.360
<v Speaker 1>said it couldn't do that, at least not yet. The

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:42.880
<v Speaker 1>surface land, the government said was too damage from decades

0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:45.799
<v Speaker 1>of oil and gas drilling. They said it would need

0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:49.200
<v Speaker 1>millions of dollars worth of remediation work before they would

0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 1>agree to accept the title on behalf of the oath

0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Age Nation. Raymond says it's a bit of an ironic

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:59.279
<v Speaker 1>twist because all that oil and gas drilling it was

0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:02.880
<v Speaker 1>permitted by the US government, that was their job as

0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:06.719
<v Speaker 1>trustee of the o s Age Mineral Estate. That set

0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:10.440
<v Speaker 1>of facts would point to the b i A as

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:18.640
<v Speaker 1>the responsible party for that environmental degradation. Yet the same entity,

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:21.719
<v Speaker 1>the b i A, is the one that raises its

0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:24.399
<v Speaker 1>hand and says we can't put this into trust. Look

0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 1>at this environmental degradation. I've asked the b i A

0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 1>about this. They declined to comment and have not made

0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:35.359
<v Speaker 1>Secretary deb Holland available for an interview. I've also talked

0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 1>to R. J. Walker about this, since he's the current

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:41.400
<v Speaker 1>assistant Principal Chief. He said the os Age Nation is

0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:43.319
<v Speaker 1>working with the b i A to submit a new

0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 1>application to put the land in trust. As with so

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:50.360
<v Speaker 1>much of the history here, the os Age Nation is

0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:53.239
<v Speaker 1>trying to make sure it's land and its sovereignty are

0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 1>secure forever, trying to take back control of what was theirs.

0:43:57.880 --> 0:44:00.680
<v Speaker 1>And Raymond told me, just like it took time for

0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:03.560
<v Speaker 1>this land to leave O s Age hands, it'll take

0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:06.920
<v Speaker 1>time to get it back. And so when you look

0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:10.840
<v Speaker 1>out at a plat map of both Age County today

0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:14.560
<v Speaker 1>and you see how many non O Sage landowners there are,

0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:20.040
<v Speaker 1>you see that as a design of allotment. Honestly, I

0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:22.399
<v Speaker 1>think I'm enough of an optimist that I don't look

0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:25.880
<v Speaker 1>at those maps. What I do look at is the

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:29.839
<v Speaker 1>map of O s Age holdings and see how much

0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:33.800
<v Speaker 1>more there is that we need to do. If I

0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:38.160
<v Speaker 1>spend too much time as an elected official dwelling on

0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:42.520
<v Speaker 1>the past, I'm not focusing on the future. We only

0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:47.759
<v Speaker 1>all have our attention to apply to anything. If we

0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:49.840
<v Speaker 1>apply it to the future, then we're going to continue

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:53.399
<v Speaker 1>on this path of reacquisition of lost land. If we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking back, all we're doing is dwelling on something that

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<v Speaker 1>we can't change. Can We should we study it and

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<v Speaker 1>learn from it. Absolutely, should it be what we quote

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<v Speaker 1>chapter and verse on a daily basis not, In my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to succeed by looking forward and figuring out

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<v Speaker 1>how we continue to earn the resources to continue this

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<v Speaker 1>purchase of previously owned lands. That's where I think our

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<v Speaker 1>focus could should be always. I was there when Chief

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<v Speaker 1>signed the deeds and to close it and said, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the day we stopped going backwards. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>day we begin to go the other direction towards buying

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<v Speaker 1>all of this reservation back. And it will take us

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<v Speaker 1>long to buy it back as it did sell it,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps even longer, but we have the means to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>If the Germans can build up small land empire, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no reason we can. M no no no no no

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<v Speaker 1>no no no no no no no no no no.

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<v Speaker 1>It's reported and hosted by me Rachel Adams, heard additional

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<v Speaker 1>reporting by Alison Edda special thanks to Jeane Dennison, whose

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<v Speaker 1>book Colonial and Tangle documented the Osage Nation's government reform.

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<v Speaker 1>Her upcoming book, Rebuilding Relationships of Respect Self Determination in

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<v Speaker 1>the Osage Nation, will document the Osage Nations land purchase.

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