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That's 15 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 3: the face, sadad. 16 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: They're responding to Ice Border Patrol and other federal agents 17 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: who've been violently detaining people under so called targeted immigration 18 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: rates in the frigid weather across the state of Minnesota. 19 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: Do you just have a documentation? 20 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: I do, can't right the commutation you present it to me? 21 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: Why are you asking me for my paperwork. 22 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 3: Because of your accident? 23 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 5: I assume you. 24 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 4: Have an accent too. 25 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 6: A family says three of their children, including a six 26 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 6: month old, were hospitalized off The agents reportedly fired tear 27 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 6: gas at their vehicle. 28 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 7: I've seen two people abducted directly in front of me, 29 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 7: grabbed off the streets, Pedestrians grabbed at random because they're 30 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 7: people of colored. 31 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 3: They don't care if you're a citizen, they don't care 32 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 3: if you're an immigrant. 33 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: And as you know by now, all of this was 34 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: escalated by death. Her name was Renee Macklyn Good. She 35 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: was killed by a federal agent. 36 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 6: The fire Department's report says she had two apparent gunshot 37 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 6: wounds on the right side of her chest, another on 38 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 6: her left forearm, and a possible fourth on the left 39 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 6: side of her head. 40 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: Since then, thousands of activists and community members have taken 41 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: to the streets, and local leaders are pushing back. Like 42 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Prye, we are doing everything possible to 43 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: keep the peace, notwithstanding this occupying force that has quite 44 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: literally invaded our city. In response, the White House rhetoric 45 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: grows more aggressive. 46 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 6: You asked about a shooting that we just had in Minneapolis, Minnesota. 47 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: It was an active domestic terrorism. 48 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,119 Speaker 2: If you assault one of our officers, an assault would 49 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: be put in hands on one of my officers, spitting 50 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 2: in their face, pushing them you're going to get arrested. 51 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 7: Six weeks alone during this most current search, three thousand 52 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 7: arrests of some of the most dangerous offenders operating. Minneapolis 53 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 7: have heard three thousand. 54 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: Now all eyes are on Minnesota. From Futuro Media, It's 55 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: Latino USA. I'm Maria no Josa. Today we bring you 56 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: the latest out of Minnesota with a reporter on the ground. 57 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 8: What we can expect is more operations like this. And 58 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 8: this is not me hypothesizing. This has been said by DHS. 59 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: And from an outspoken community organizer who's at the center 60 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: of the response against what some Minnesotans are calling an occupation. 61 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 4: For me, Minnesota is my home and it deeply pains 62 00:03:54,440 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 4: me to see this and this occupation has disrupted our 63 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 4: sense of normal, our sense of safety, our sense of community, 64 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 4: and our sense of belonging. 65 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: Let's start with Jasmine Guards. She's an immigration correspondent for 66 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 2: NPR and she's been reporting from Minnesota. Jasmine, can you 67 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: just describe what Minneapolis looks like today? 68 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 8: First of all, like, in terms of protests, it's been 69 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 8: really quiet. And I say that because we're hearing all 70 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 8: this rhetoric from the Trump administration. About fifteen hundred troops 71 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 8: ready to deploy to quell unrest. 72 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 6: The soldiers subject to deployment specialize in cold weather operations. 73 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 6: According to the officials, they're assigned Touami Infantry Battalions under 74 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 6: the eleventh Airborne Division based in Alaska. 75 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 8: It's a little like dystopian to hear about that when 76 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 8: you're here. And in terms of protests, it's been very quiet, 77 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 8: and the protests that happened a few. 78 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 3: Days ago, they were mostly peaceful. 79 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 8: Now, when I say that it's quiet, that doesn't mean 80 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 8: ICE operations aren't still happening. 81 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 3: They've moved to the suburbs. 82 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 8: And this seems to be them of ICE, which is 83 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 8: start in the city and then fan out into the 84 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 8: suburbs where there's less organization, right, and there's less people 85 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 8: who will jump in, And also there's a level of 86 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 8: underground activism and organization like I've never seen in my lifetime. 87 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 8: As a reporter covering immigration, you'll go down the streets 88 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 8: like especially immigrant like Latino streets. They're very quiet right now, 89 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 8: in part because it's really really cold, but also because 90 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 8: people are scared to come out. But on a lot 91 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 8: of street corners you'll see one or two people just 92 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 8: kind of like standing guard on the streetch street corner, 93 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 8: watching out for ice. It's like a citizen mobilization like 94 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 8: I just have not seen before. 95 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 3: I'll give you an example. 96 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 8: A couple of days ago, there was like a far 97 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 8: right rally planned. 98 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 6: Right wing influencer Jake Lang posting on social media that 99 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 6: he planned to hold an anti immigrant protest that included 100 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 6: the burning of Qurans. 101 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 8: Days before this rally, every neighborhood chat neighborhood message boards, 102 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 8: they all said, do not go, don't take the bait, 103 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 8: don't like engage because. 104 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: They are trying to do the Insurrection Act. 105 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: So if I needed it, I'd use it. It's very powerful. 106 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: The seldom used eighteen oh seven law allows a president 107 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: to deploy the military to enforce the law, particularly in 108 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: cases of rebellion or civil unrest. 109 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 9: An invocation of the Insurrection Act against a governor's wishes 110 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 9: would be historic and it would surely prompt legal challenges. 111 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 8: So this idea of like invoking the Insurrection Act is 112 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 8: causing a lot of outrage among people in Minneapolis and 113 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 8: larger MINISO. 114 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: Talk to us a little bit about the activism that 115 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: you are witnessing. The solidarity that you're witnessing. It's the 116 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: opposite of chaos, which is what Donald Trump is saying 117 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: exists in Minneapolis and Minnesota. 118 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 8: You know, keep in mind that where Renee Acklin Good 119 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 8: was killed was just a few blocks from where George 120 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 8: Floyd was killed. And so so many activists have told 121 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 8: me that they had systems in place to deploy, almost 122 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 8: like Minneapolis was in some way prepared to jump into 123 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 8: action with activist networks. And what I've seen is like 124 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 8: layer upon layer upon layer of activist networks. You know, 125 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 8: like I said, You'll go out into the streets in 126 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 8: certain neighborhoods and the storefronts are closed down and very quiet, 127 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 8: but on every corner you'll see I mean people as 128 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 8: old as eighty. 129 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: I've talked to people who are eighty one years old 130 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 3: and who are standing on a street coiner in the 131 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 3: blustering wind, in freezing. 132 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 8: Temperatures, standing watch with a whistle to make sure if 133 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 8: an ice agent or a car with ice agents comes through, 134 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 8: they alert their neighbors. There are about a dozen chats 135 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 8: where people will text each other license plates and cars 136 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 8: from out of state that seem to be coming into 137 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 8: the neighborhood. Can someone go check there are food pantries 138 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 8: being operated. I spend some time for an upcoming story 139 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 8: on an underground clinic run by nurses. I'm not allowed 140 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 8: to say where it is, but they are seeing people 141 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 8: who are too scared to go to the doctor right now. 142 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 8: Like I spent time as they checked up a five 143 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 8: year old boy who clearly had some kind of bronchial infection, 144 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 8: but was too scared to go outside of his house. 145 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 8: So a couple of days ago, I met a twelve 146 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 8: year old girl in southern Minneapolis, and something totally normal 147 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 8: happened to her. She woke up and she had her 148 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 8: first period, and everything that happened after that was completely 149 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 8: out of the ordinary. She wasn't going to school. She's 150 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 8: been hiding in her home for the last two weeks. 151 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 8: Her dad is going to work, but he's getting rides 152 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 8: from volunteers to get to work safely, so he couldn't 153 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 8: come back very easily. And so what ensued is this 154 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 8: like network of neighbors, the church activists came together to 155 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 8: get this girl a sanitary napkin. 156 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 3: I think that is something that has been really moving 157 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: to me. 158 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 8: You know, to watch this entire network of in the 159 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 8: shadows response have to deploy to get a kid a 160 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 8: menstrual pad. 161 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 2: So this year started with a lot more money being 162 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: allocated to the Department of Homeland Security, for ICE, for 163 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: border patrol, for surveillance against immigrants. What do we know 164 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: in terms of what the money has paid for so 165 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: far and what should we expect with this increase in 166 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: this budget. 167 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 8: I think what we can expect is more of what 168 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 8: we're seeing right. What we can expect is more operations 169 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 8: like this. And this is not me hypothesizing, this has 170 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 8: been said by DHS and an expansion of the detention system. 171 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 8: We often talk about the military industrial complex, and you know, 172 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 8: there's conversations to be had about the immigrant detention complex. 173 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 8: There's ample work, including by some really excellent colleagues of 174 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 8: mine and you as well about just towns where the 175 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 8: economy what is being produced is detention. That's the product, right, 176 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 8: And so I think given the budget and given the statements, 177 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 8: it is fair to say that this will. 178 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 3: Continue and will continue to expand. 179 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 8: What I will say also is there is a sense 180 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 8: in talking to my colleagues who are here in Minneapolis 181 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 8: on the ground that almost like the administration wasn't expecting 182 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 8: this level of response. That they weren't expecting this like 183 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 8: widespread everyone from like eighty one year olds to like 184 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 8: elementary and high school kids who have walked out of school. 185 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 8: That they weren't expecting such a widespread, organized response. 186 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: That was Jasmine Garst Immigration, corresponding with NPR after the break, 187 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 2: we meet one of those activists on the ground pushing 188 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: back against the federal government and its tactics. 189 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 4: I am bearing the responsibility to say enough is enough. 190 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 4: I want my children to know that their mommy be 191 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 4: their best. That's all. I want them to know that 192 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 4: their mommy, theyre their best for them to have a 193 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 4: safe place to grow into. 194 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: Stay with us, Yes, welcome back to Latino Usay. Before 195 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: the break, we spoke with NPR Immigration correspondent Jasmine cars 196 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: about what she's witnessed on the ground in Minneapolis and 197 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 2: what she expects to come next from the Trump administration. 198 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 2: We're going to turn now to our next guest, Emilia 199 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: Gonzalez Avalos. She's the executive director of Unido's Minutes, which 200 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: is a local grassroots organization that's been mobilizing to support 201 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 2: immigrant communities in Minneapolis. Amidia, Welcome to Latino, USA. 202 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. 203 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: How you doing today? 204 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 4: I adopted like a numerical scale now and I think 205 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 4: today is a six. It's not as intense as other days, 206 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 4: at least in the Twin Cities, but I know that 207 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 4: it means that the suburbs are greater. Minnesota is having 208 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 4: a different story right now. Definitely. Our phones are ringing, 209 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 4: observers are out there, and we are waiting for the 210 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 4: next shock by the administration. 211 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 2: So can you just paint a picture for us, Amlia, 212 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: of today, what you're seeing and how it feels or 213 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 2: looks different than what has been the lead up for 214 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 2: why you are emotionally out as six. 215 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 4: Minnesota is, in particularly Minneapolis, a place that is quiet. 216 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 4: We don't have a big night life. We like the outdoors, 217 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 4: and in wintertime we gather in indoor spaces because our 218 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 4: weather here gets very cold. And so this has been 219 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 4: a very different winter because we are under an occupation 220 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 4: of thousands of ice officers and CBP officers that show 221 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 4: up in different scales from seven to ten officers trying 222 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 4: to make an attention in one house, maybe going through 223 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 4: apartment buildings and door knocking hunting down people in the streets, 224 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 4: driving behind them or sometimes showing up in our commercial corridors, 225 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 4: and big convoys of several vehicles and sometimes the tries vehicles. 226 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 4: And so today I said, as a sex because I 227 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 4: have not seen a militarized vehicle, I have not seen 228 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 4: a big convoy today. It doesn't mean I'm not going 229 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 4: to see it in the rest of the day. It 230 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 4: doesn't mean I'm not gonna see it tomorrow. But I 231 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 4: think that Minnesota's were learning just to live day by 232 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 4: day and moment by moment. So that's one of the 233 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 4: biggest lessons that we are now harvesting and holding deer. 234 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: Minnesota has historically been an immigrant and refugee receiving state. 235 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: So can you just paint a picture of the immigrant 236 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: and refugee community that is part and parcel of your 237 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: daily life and of the people of your state. 238 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 4: If you look at the data, it doesn't look as 239 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 4: diverse as if you are in actual community. And so 240 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 4: in the Twin Cities we have the largest refugee community 241 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 4: of Somali and the second largest monk. 242 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: So we have great food, we have great. 243 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 4: Our children are growing up in a multi racial school 244 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 4: system where folks speak Somali and Monk and Spanish and 245 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 4: Romo and sometimes Arabic and English. And so it's not 246 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 4: strange for my son to see people in his jobs 247 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 4: or to have prayer at his school. It is not 248 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 4: strange for my and for our children to have lunches 249 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 4: with their classmates with tortas or spring rolls on sambusa. 250 00:16:48,920 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 4: It is that kind of our daily life. 251 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 2: So all of this diversity that sounds pretty incredible, great 252 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 2: kind of multicultural understanding of each other, all of that 253 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 2: has become to be expected for your experience as a Minnesotan. 254 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: What about ice? 255 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 2: Have Minnesotans have immigrant and refugees communities in your state 256 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: and your city experienced this kind of presence from ice 257 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: and border patrol anytime in the past. 258 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 4: We had a raid that shook our state back in 259 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 4: two thousand and six in a meatpacking plant, and children 260 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 4: and clergy and elected officials were shaped by that event. 261 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 4: And the scale of that event back in the day 262 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 4: was a few hundred people in that meatpacking plant in Worthington, Minnesota. 263 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 10: Rights groups based in Minnesota has sudized the US Immigration 264 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,959 Speaker 10: Customs Enforcement over its rate. December twelve, federal agents raided 265 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 10: swift plants across six states. More than twelve hundred undocumented 266 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 10: workers were arrested overall, including more than two hundred workers 267 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 10: in Worthington. The lawsuit claims that federal agents insulted, abused, 268 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 10: and humiliated the plaintiffs and account of their race. 269 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 4: What we are experiencing right now is a very large 270 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 4: and different scale in which these officers and the Department 271 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 4: of Homeland Security has deeply disrupted our multi racial social contract, 272 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 4: something that we as neighbors and residents and Minnesotans have 273 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 4: worked and wrestled through relationship building, through learning from one 274 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 4: another for years and years. In this occupation has disrupted 275 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 4: our sense of normal, of safety, our sense of community, 276 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 4: and our sense of belonging. And what people are watching 277 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 4: from their screen and social media and the news is 278 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 4: Minnesotans rejecting the divide and conquer and the vitriol in 279 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 4: which these officers execute arrests, target legal observers, and erode 280 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 4: people's constitutional rights for the sake of a mass deportation 281 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 4: agenda that we know is deepening their pockets of the 282 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 4: wealthy view. 283 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. 284 00:19:39,800 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 5: Yes, there's a lot going on right now, mounting economic inequality, threats, 285 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 5: the democracy, environmental disaster, the sour stench of chaos in 286 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 5: the air. I'm Brook Gladstone, host of WNYC's On the Media. 287 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 5: Want to understand the reasons and the meanings of the 288 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 5: narratives that let us hear and maybe how to head 289 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 5: them off at the pass. That's on the media's specialty. 290 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 5: Take a listen wherever you get your podcasts. 291 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 2: Hey, we're back with local organizer eMedia Gonzalez Avalos. We're 292 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 2: talking about the activist response on the ground in Minnesota. 293 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: Emilia. 294 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 2: What we've been watching from the outside is we can 295 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 2: see that the enforcement has increased, but there's also been 296 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: a way in which enforcement has changed that maybe is 297 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: not as familiar to many of us. There is a 298 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,719 Speaker 2: reliance on technology that really hasn't been discussed, and I'm 299 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 2: wondering if you can talk about, for example, the use 300 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: of stingrays. These are these fake towers that intercept signal 301 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 2: and then can basically find you to identify people who 302 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: are at the protest. 303 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: There's facial recognition software. 304 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 9: Palenteer Ice agents have a new high tech way to 305 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 9: zero in on neighborhoods to raid the report says, it's 306 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 9: an app called Elite and it's developed by Palenteer, which 307 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 9: is a data analytics company used by federal agencies and 308 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 9: state and local governments. Now, the app populates a map 309 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 9: with potential targets, pulls up a profile on each individual person, 310 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 9: and provides a quote confidence score on each person's address. 311 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 2: Can you tell us a media the way some of 312 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 2: the ways in which you've experienced this new technology and 313 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: kind of what it's forcing you to do as a 314 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: Latina activist in this moment. 315 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 4: So the question about technology began because the same people 316 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 4: and the family that were going through arrests earlier, like 317 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 4: weeks or months ago, started noticing a pattern of identification 318 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 4: at the time where people are stopped there sometimes might 319 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 4: not be a warrant, but how do they know my name? 320 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 4: How do they know where I live? How do they 321 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 4: know who is in my households? And so the first 322 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 4: intuition was to start question if the state was releasing 323 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 4: data from our state policy that allows everyone, regardless of 324 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 4: status to apply and go through the process to obtain 325 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 4: a Minnesota driver's license. So confidently we share that this 326 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 4: policy has data protection and penalties for data sharing so 327 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 4: we needed to find more information about how were these 328 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 4: arrests coming with all this type of information, and we 329 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 4: know that our friends from Mihinte had done all this 330 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 4: research about Volunteer and so we were able to connect 331 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 4: the dots on how that technology is actually being used 332 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 4: on the ground. So they use a couple of different softwarees. 333 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 4: One is I think Immigrant DOS that reads license plates 334 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 4: and then compares data across public databases or data systems 335 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 4: that are accessible to law enforcement agencies. And then it's 336 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 4: a facial recognition. Once people are stopped or they actually 337 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 4: have a person physically present in this incident, officers can 338 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 4: then use devices and their screens to just put it 339 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 4: in like someone's face and run a facial recognition scanning 340 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 4: that will continue to compare all these data and inform 341 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 4: them to use their discretion and attempt an arrest. 342 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: So how are you adjusting to this? 343 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 2: I mean, are you fearful because of everything that you're 344 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 2: having to deal with in this moment as a leader, 345 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 2: as a Latina? 346 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 4: Yes, I am fearful, but that fear is not on 347 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 4: my driver's seat. I am more fearful about what can 348 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 4: happen if we don't take action that does scare me 349 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:21,239 Speaker 4: to the core. That reality that my child, or my 350 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 4: father or my husband get to be highly surveilled or 351 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 4: their birthright citizenship gets challenged can be the continuum, possibly 352 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 4: the continuum if the country we don't get our stuff 353 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 4: together and we don't take action. That scares me more 354 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 4: than these conditions. I have never been prouder to be 355 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 4: a Minnesotan. I was born in Mexico City, but I 356 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 4: was raised in the state. For me, Minnesota is my 357 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 4: home and it deeply pains me to see this. And 358 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 4: at the same time, this is the reality of the 359 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 4: United States of America, and there's also people who are 360 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 4: rejecting that as the norm, and that gives me a 361 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 4: lot of hope. I fight hard, peacefully and non violently, 362 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 4: because I have a sixteen year old and a nine 363 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 4: year old who are witnessing what's happening right now, and 364 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 4: I want them to see that in case, I don't know, 365 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 4: if you know, the FBI will think I am a 366 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 4: terrorist or an enemy of the state and revoke my 367 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 4: citizenship and send me back to Mexico. In Mexico, I 368 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 4: don't know if that will happen, but if that happens, 369 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 4: I want my children to know that their mommy be 370 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 4: their best. 371 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 3: That's all. 372 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 4: I want them to know that their mommy do their 373 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 4: best for them to have a place to grow into. 374 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 4: I am bearing the responsibility to say enough is enough. 375 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 2: That was Emilia Gonzalez Avalos, executive director of Unidos Minnesota. 376 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: On Friday, January sixteenth, a federal judge restricted ICE from 377 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: retaliating against, arresting, or using force against protesters who were 378 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 2: engaging in lawful and peaceful protest. That same day, the 379 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 2: Justice Department announced that they were launching a criminal investigation 380 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 2: into Minnesota Governor Tim Walls and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob fry 381 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 2: among others, claiming that they're impeding ICE from doing their job. 382 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 2: On January twentieth, the DOJ subpoena at least five officials 383 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: in Minnesota, including Minnesota Governor Tim Walls and Minneapolis Mayor 384 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: Jacob Frye. The jay has also announced that they're appealing 385 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 2: the court ruling limiting their use of force on citizens, 386 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 2: which includes tear gas and pepper spray. We will continue 387 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 2: to report and update you on the latest from Minnesota. 388 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 2: This episode was produced by Renaldo Reanos Junior and Julietta Martinelli. 389 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 2: It was edited by Reve Ga Ibarra and our managing 390 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 2: editor Fernando Echalari. 391 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: It was mixed by Julia Caruso. 392 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 2: Production assistance in fact checking by Proxana Aguire. The Latino 393 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 2: USA team also includes Stephanie Lebau, Luis, Luna Filoni, mar Marquez, 394 00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: Monica Morales, Garcia, Paloma Veris, JJ Carubin, Anelo Rees, Adriana Rodriguez, 395 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 2: and Nancy Trucchillo. 396 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: Benilera, Amidas and I are executive producers. 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