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Toyota is the 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:45.760 official vehicle of the New England Patriots. 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:50.279 Toyota, Let's go eat some lobster. Ah. 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.720 I bet you're wondering what's going on here. We're gonna 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.319 get to that in a minute. It's Jack Webb joining us, 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.240 the new host of our Patriots pre and postgame show. 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:03.280 Joining us for joint practice, Paul Parola, myself, Mike Dusseau, 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.440 Evan Lazar. We'll be here for most of the joint 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:08.640 practice today that we're allowed. 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:09.920 To be well, we'll be here for the whole thing. 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:13.240 Won't be broadcasting for about that. Yeah, so it was 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:14.200 a good day yesterday. 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:16.640 But before we get into the football, we got to 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:20.679 talk seafood because the Patriots are excited to welcome in 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:25.600 Legal Seafood this year as their official seafood restaurant and 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.360 the official clam showder of the New England Patriots. So 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:34.039 you know, when we have sponsors, it makes it really easy. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:35.520 To promote them when you love what they do. 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:39.120 And I've been loving Legal Seafood my whole life. And 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:43.840 they have locations throughout New England, Virginia, New Jersey, Chicago, 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.240 and if you're looking for seafood, Legal Seafood is the 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.520 place to go. If you're traveling to New England, you 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.880 got to stop at Legal Seafood. But the Patriots are excited. 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.920 You have two iconic brands, New England brands. You got 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:00.640 the New England Patriots and Legal Seafood joining up. 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:02.840 I thought it was Fred Kersh and Legal. Yeah. 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:06.040 So so if you're at the Games this year, you'll 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.800 be able to get Legal Seafood in select places on the. 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:11.040 Concrete's that's amazing. 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:13.519 I was just telling our chef here as he was 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.520 preparing this for us that you know, tradition for me 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.000 when I live in California, I'll come back to a 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:19.239 game and then I would stop illegal seafood at the 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.320 brain Tree split. That was kind of my Cyonara to Boston. So, 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:26.079 like you said, Fred, sometimes things just work well and 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:27.840 this is the perfect, perfect partnership. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:29.519 And I got a claw. 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:34.079 It's a little Michael Jackson tribute combs up. 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:37.760 So but you said, Fred too, the chowder, I mean, 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:38.520 the chowder is is. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:40.920 Oh well, I've been saying it for years because for 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.280 a long time the Patriots press box has been serving 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.200 clam chowder to the press during games. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.040 He said, oh, it's legal seafood. Clam shout. I'm like, no, no, no, no, 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:49.680 that's not legal seafood. 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:51.840 And you too, I have to vouch your friend. He 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:53.560 has done this for years. 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:57.520 This year, if you're in the press box, members of 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:01.280 the media, that is legal seafood, and you'll taste the difference. 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:03.000 Well, you can see too that you got the crackers 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.160 with right burning right on it. That's what I saw, Fred, 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.080 when you were saying, You're like, they had the real stuff, 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.720 and they had the crackers so delicious. 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:13.079 Love it, so can we. So this was twice as 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:16.440 long before Jack Web got to that's why we brought 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:17.080 Jackiet today. 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.200 We're like, we need some reinforcements on the giant lobster 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:21.440 role we're about to consume. 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:23.480 I think that's why Fred said, hey, I think Thursday's 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.240 a good day for you to come down, right. They 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:26.760 had to call on the big boy for me, and 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:28.799 I promise I will be the clean up crew. 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.040 And if we need to, if we have any leftovers, 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.440 we'll just have Zoe come down and he'll polish every Yeah. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.520 I'm surprised he's not here already because we can see 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:36.360 right through up there. 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.320 Him and Beatle gonna come, yeah, come down here, try 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:39.960 to get all this. They don't strut till ten, so 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:41.000 he gets here at ten oh. 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.560 Five, right right, pregame meals ready for you guys, when 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:44.000 you're ready. 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:46.920 Yeah, So thank you Legal Seafood Again. The Patriots are 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:50.840 really excited to partner up the official seafood restaurant of 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:54.400 the New England Patriots and the official clam chowder if 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:57.360 they're making no mistake, the official clam chowder of the 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:58.280 New England Patriots. 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.720 So welcome aboard, Legal, We'll come aboard. Permission to dive 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:02.640 in front. 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.480 Absolutely, we should stagger it so we could do a 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:07.520 little analysis while one of us stuff our face. 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.520 Let's get one bye. 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:15.800 Everybody knows the rules, all right, so let's get let's 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:20.080 get down to football. Because yesterday was day one of 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:24.920 the joint practices with the Eagles, and personally, I thought 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:29.560 it was a continuation offensively of what we saw on 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:31.600 Monday for Drake May and the offense. 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.400 Defensively, I think the Eagles might have had a little 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:35.039 bit of an edge. 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:39.200 Yeah, so that's okay, you know, that's what that's what 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:39.800 you're here for. 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.320 Yeah, I mean I think you know, we all stood 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:43.760 up here and watched the rest of practice, and we 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:45.360 came away with that, you know, takeaway. 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:46.919 Good day for the offense for sure. 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.920 You know, culminated in the last two minute drill where 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.400 both sides of the ball, you know, performed pretty well. 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:54.800 But when you look at the defense that you know, 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:56.440 I don't know a lot of the other outlets I 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.160 think had one guy focused on an offense, one guy 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.360 focused on a defense. Once you heard from the people 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.520 watching the defense, I think we all came back with 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.479 a similar take that the Eagles. 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:05.640 Had a good day on the run yesterday. There was 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:06.280 a lot of space. 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:08.640 I thought they made some big plays down the field too, 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.080 a couple of screens that you know, found a seam 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:12.800 and it looked like, you know, nobody's getting a hand 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:13.599 on that running back. 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.839 So I think they need to be a little better today. 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:18.360 On the defensive side of the ball with those two 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:21.159 things stopping the run as well as you know, preventing 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:21.400 some of. 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.320 Those big plays that were clearly wide open. 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.159 And you know, the other part of it too, for me, 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:27.800 is just I think the Eagles are gonna. 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:28.400 Come with something to prove. 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.880 Yesterday there were a lot of narratives yesterday that the 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:34.680 Patriots quote unquote one practice and you know, depending on 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:36.880 who you read, that could have been they dominated it 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.479 to they had the slight edge or whatever it might be. 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.440 So I think it's not just about fixing what they 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.400 didn't do well yesterday. It's about bringing the same energy, 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.280 especially against that pass rush again, because I think the 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.240 Eagles are coming down here today with something, a little 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:49.840 bit something to prove. 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:51.960 I like the last part of what you said the most, Mike. 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.440 You know, it's about what Mike Rabele talked about before 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.400 the practice and then proving that you can do it. 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:58.440 Day in and day out. How do you respond when 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.400 something goes bad? You know, how do you how do 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:02.880 you react to that kind of stuff? So I would 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:06.360 say the Patriots were the better team in the practice yesterday. Overall, 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.520 you can put everything you know, accumulate everything that happened. 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.480 I would say the Patriots offense was better than the 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:14.719 Eagles offense. I thought the Eagles offense was better than 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:16.560 the Patriots defense, but I thought there was a wider 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.680 gap between the Patriots offense in the Eagles defense, I 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:23.200 would agree, and I was very impressed, specifically with the 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.400 pass protection. I thought that's where it all began for 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.440 the Patriots. I thought that allowed Drake Made to get 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:31.400 comfortable sort of surveying the field, looking downfield and finding 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:34.440 some big place to Aj Brown and Romeo Dobs. I 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.720 thought that was everything you wanted to see. But I 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.559 agree with Mike, I want to see better run fits 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:42.720 up front. I want to see the edges, you know, 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.560 sewn up a little bit. This is now a couple 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:48.560 of weeks of training camp where the other team has 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.800 been able to run the ball with some effectiveness. And 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:53.720 I also don't think the Patriots ran the ball all 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.800 that well. Offensively yesterday, So in a little clunky in 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:57.359 the two minutes. 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:59.320 You know, aj Brown got headlines. 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:03.080 Obviously, people had all eyes on him former Eagle and 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.600 and you know, even I think somebody from the Eagle 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.240 City looks better now than he did when he. 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.280 Was with US. Mitchell, thanks for reading my blogs. 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.960 And the second thing is I agree with Paul the 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:18.000 thought that I had watching our defenses, where is the 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.040 pressure going to come from this year? Because I didn't 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.600 really see that person and I heard on one of 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.360 Paul's shows yesterday them talking about you know, is are 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:31.560 the Patriots a stacked team in terms of talent? I 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.920 don't think so on defense yet, And I think they're 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.840 that piece away. They're that elite rusher away from being 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:42.200 considered stacked on defense. You know, they've got Christian Gonzales, 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.280 they've got Milton Williams and Christian Barmore in the middle, 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.480 but they're an elite rusher away from being called stacked. 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.720 And you do have to wonder where is the pressure 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:57.239 going to come from? You lost Chase on I think. 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.520 It's gonna come from blitzing. And that's how we saw 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.160 the schemes. Yeah, that was when we saw at the 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.160 end of practice, and that was my takeaways. I thought 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.640 the offensive lines on both sides kind of controlled the 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.600 practice for the most part yesterday, and I was really 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.320 encouraged that the Patriots offensive line was able to block 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.320 up the Eagles defensive front, and especially on the inside 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.720 with Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter. I didn't really think 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:22.080 that those two guys impacted the practice all that much. 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.040 So that is a real big step in the right direction, 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.880 especially what we saw two years ago when that matchup 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.000 played out on the other side, though I agree with Deuce. 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.360 I thought they ran the ball effectively in the run periods, 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.640 and unless the Patriots dialed something up to get home 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:38.840 on a blitz, I didn't think that there was a 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:40.040 ton of pressure on the quarterback. 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:42.240 So Jack, have you done eating? No, not yet. I'm 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.320 just taking my time between bites. 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:46.800 Yeah, I know you weren't here yesterday, but what are 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:48.040 you gonna be watching for today? 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:49.680 I'm gonna be watching the offensive line. 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.080 And I think that that's what made me so encouraged 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.520 about listening to you guys on the camp cast yesterday 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.920 and hearing how the offensive line held up, Because we 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:58.840 just talked about the lack of pass rush for the Patriots. 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.280 So when you hear the reports you know, across camp, 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.320 especially at the beginning, right when they put the pads on, 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:07.040 and it's just you know, best on best within the organization. Okay, 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:08.760 you take those with a grain of salt, right, because 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.080 you recognize that's a weakness of this team, is the 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.040 pass rush. And you hear they perform against a team 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.160 like the Eagles, in a front like the Eagles yesterday, 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:16.480 and that's certainly encouraging. 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.880 Okay, Yeah, I mean I'm not surprised that you'll be 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:24.959 watching the offensive line. That's an area that I think 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:26.560 had a good day yesterday. 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:30.680 Yeah, I mean, that's to me what these practices have 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.040 all been about. Because of how good the Eagles are 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.679 in the trenches on both sides of the ball. I mean, 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.000 you're talking about probably the best tackle tandem in the 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.640 league on both sides of the ball, you know, Jordan Mylota, 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.880 Lane Johnson, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis. Like, it doesn't really 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.840 get much better than that. And the Patriots' ability to 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.800 at least have a stalemate on the line of scrimmage 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.360 I thought was important these two days and I think 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.920 that they did that for the most part yesterday. 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:56.840 We'll see if that continues. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.120 You know, Will Campbell had a couple of problems with 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.400 jaylex on their pass rusher on the edge. That was 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.360 the first time that I think I've said that all 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.440 camp that Will Campbell had some struggles. So I'd like 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.240 to see a better version of him today as well. 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.319 But overall, I think that as much as you want 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.400 to get into aj Brown and Saquon Barkley and all 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:20.440 the skill players, it's really the meata of this practice 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:21.800 is the trenches and those guys. 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:23.120 I think the Patriots did a good job. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.520 Robert Splaine there, you just saw Matt Collins and Tommy 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.360 DeVito walking onto the field. You can never miss Matt 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:33.080 Collins because he's got the red tattered shirt underneath. 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:33.480 Fred. 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:35.559 To give you another angle here, I'm really interested to 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.160 see this Patriots secondary with no Gonzales. You saw a 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:43.800 ton of reports about turnovers yesterday. Sorry excuse me, lobster 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.679 in the throat a couple turnovers yesterday, right for that 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.760 Patriots defense, I'm eager to see what you guys see 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.240 from that defense. And were those turnovers and seven on seven, 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:52.680 were they eleven on eleven, I. 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.520 Just saw mostly seven on seven or the backup cornerbacks, 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.360 and that was like maybe a little bit of a 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.440 pushback that I had about some of that is like 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:01.959 I don't really care if Jalen Hurst throws picks and 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:04.440 seven on seven, like do that on your own time. 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.480 But the the eleven out eleven's, you know, interception one 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.480 was kendallvilldor on, the their second uh Andy Dalton, and 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.280 then the other one was John Saunders on I think 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:18.720 their four string quarterback. Yeah yeah, so I so Joe 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:22.200 Alerts picks were all in seven's. But I I just 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.320 I feel like with this, you know, with the Eagles, 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.360 I I keep just coming back to their offense installing 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.920 this new offense, and the blitzing that the Patriots did 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:34.600 did was effective at the end of practice. But if 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.280 you're going to play that style of defense, you need 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.559 Christian Gonzales like that. That is something that you absolutely 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:43.840 need is guys on the outside that can shut down 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.360 receivers in single coverage without a lot of help and 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:48.800 from the middle of the field because those guys are 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:50.600 going to be in the pass rush and and if 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.760 that's how you're gonna play like they did down the 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.640 stretch last season and in the playoffs. Then you need 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.280 to be able to cover. And if Christian Goanzalez isn't 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.240 a part of that, or him at the pa of 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.400 his powers isn't a part of that, then that's a 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.319 tough way to play defensively, to be like a forty 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.120 percent blitz rate kind of team without a shutdown corner. 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.440 You mentioned Christian Gonzales. No new news there. 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.840 We have no more information than we did yesterday in 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:19.200 terms of that situation. Mike Rabel did not speak today. 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.040 He wasn't a scheduled to speak. Nick Siriani did, so 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.160 nothing new on the Christian Gonzales front. 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:27.720 No, just waiting to see. 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.200 But I think, you know, again echoing what Evan said, 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.720 I think they really need Christian Gonzalez out there. 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:34.199 You can see I mean to your point. 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.640 Fred, I mean love Christian Barmore and Milt Williams up front, 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:39.760 but you know the rest of the guys around them 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.320 in the front seven are you know, solid NFL players, 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.920 But I don't think there's really any superstars around them, 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.120 and the superstars to me are more on the back 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.439 end with Gonzalez and you know, Byern and Craig Woodson emerging. 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.280 I mean, he looked great yesterday. But they're gonna need 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.280 to find a way to get consistent pressure without always 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.040 having a blitz, like as said, because if you live. 0:12:58.960 --> 0:12:59.959 In that world, you're gonna get gas. 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.200 They're gonna find they're gonna find a seam in that 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:03.920 you know, they're gonna dump it off to a little 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.960 screen pass and that guy's gone. So I just think 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.240 that's if you really want this defense to be elite, 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.440 it's about getting pressure with four and. 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.480 Talk about getting He doesn't come out to practice a lot, 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:17.959 does he know? 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.280 That's why I said, it's a rare sight. Ye see 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.559 him out here. I put him on the edge right now. 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.800 Maybe you could do a snap or two. I think to. 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.440 Just be a little bit positive about the defense. When 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:38.640 they did blitz, they hit was really good defense. Three 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.840 straight dropbacks pressure with blitzers up the middle mostly. And 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.760 so the encouraging part is is that the schemes were 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.760 working when they did blitz. They were getting free runners 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.520 and they were getting guys to the quarterback. It's just 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.000 you know, it give us and it takes the way 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.400 you know early on in practice to hit will Shipley 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.760 on a wheel route down down the sideline because they 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.120 dropped Elijah Ponder out to the rush and they blitzed 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.920 Robert Splaine, and Robert Splaine got there, but Shipley had 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.360 the matchup on Ponder and Hurts found him for a 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.800 big play. So if you're gonna blitz like that, it's 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.440 gonna be risk reward. You know you're gonna give up 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:13.720 some plays and you're gonna make some plays. 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.559 So with with Gonzales out of the picture right now, 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.080 Carlton Davis is now your number one corner. 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.240 I didn't think he had that great a day. They 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:24.080 went at him a lot. 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.080 Yeah, I saw Number seven involved in a lot of 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:28.040 pass plays. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.400 For these Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:32.560 just I find it hard to get worked up about 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.520 worrying about Carlton Davis, a veteran who you know, played 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.360 his best football last year in the playoffs, and that's 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:39.040 what I think. 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.280 You'll get from Carlton Davis. I'm glad that he's healthy, 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:42.080 that he's out there. 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.160 But I think I agree with you, though, Fred, I 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:46.960 think they they did target him a little bit. And 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.960 you know, to Jack's point, seeing guys like you know 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:53.040 in the backup seeing how those guys CHUCKI Trees, Charles Woods, 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:54.880 how is you know, he look it seems like he's 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.560 gonna play a part, you know in some of these 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.720 sub packages. Del Pettis seems like he's gonna play a 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.400 part in some of these sub packages. So keeping an 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.360 eye on those guys and seeing how they, you know, 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:06.960 just develop as they get more snaps. 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:08.800 We're seeing a lot of guys get opportunities out here. 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.080 You mentioned Woodson, Yeah, he's had a good camp and 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.960 he had a good day yesterday. I think Patriots fans 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.480 ought to be excited about him. Oh here's another guy 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:21.040 that they drafted. Yeah, that could develop into you know, 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.120 one of your solid safeties for years to come. I 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.600 mean maybe more than solid too. I just I think 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:28.280 he's all over the place. I think he's been going 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.520 after the quarterback. We saw that yesterday. He's getting his 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:32.480 hands on balls consistently. 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.480 Was so interested to see how he would blossom with 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.400 Kevin Bayer and I think we're still curious how they're 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.280 going to use those guys. Are they going to be 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.640 interchangeable or is no buyer going to be kind of 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:43.960 be on the back end and Woodson's going to be 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:45.840 in the box, moving around making plays. 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.480 I'm really excited about Craig Woodson here. 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.160 Two, I'm still a little unsure, you know how that 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.440 whole group. I think that whole group potentially is the 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:58.400 strength of the team secondary. Yeah, but I'm a little 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:02.800 concerned about it if Gonzale is you know, any prolonged 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.640 absence here and I I'm not to the point where 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.400 I'm overly worried about the contract now. I think if 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.680 we get to the end of preseason, if we're talking, 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.840 you know, this time next week, you know, as we're 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.080 getting ready for the Cleveland game, and there's still nothing 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:21.000 going on. Now, you're potentially bleeding into the season without 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:24.280 the contract being resolved, without him, I kind of I 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:25.720 think there's been a lot of open guys. I think 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:27.400 there were a lot of open guys yesterday and those 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.000 eleven on eleven periods that we watched right below us 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:34.120 evidently that no one else in the media saw. So 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.800 I thought, well, just you you know, Marcus Jones my 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:40.200 views crush. 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.240 I have a crush on Marcus Jones Jack, but. 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.640 Yeah, and he had a nice place like Woodson, I 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:50.360 think had a couple of picks. I just I'm not 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.280 as concerned about the turnovers the takeaways. Now, if you 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.640 take the ball away all year, then you had a 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:56.160 great year. 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:57.360 That's one of those things. 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.000 I feel like takeaways are just not one of those 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.560 things that you can rely on. It's not a constant. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.959 So so what happens when you don't create takeaways? You 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.880 have to come up with stops. I have my concerns 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:10.879 about that if Gonzalez is not part of the pitcher. 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.600 I think I've seen some open guys. I think bayered 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.920 In Woodson have let some guys get open behind them, 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.520 you know, periodically whoever's playing center field. 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:21.720 There was one yesterday like sort. 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.600 Of a deep over route that it was either Dentavian 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:26.200 Wicks or Elijah Moore. 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.520 I think it was Elijah Moore. I think I think, 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:30.920 you know, Evan and I had like three different guys 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:31.200 that we. 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:35.280 Have identified as the numbers on the terribly doesn't matter 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.800 because he was behind the Patriots defense and that I 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:38.760 don't want to see anyone. 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.480 Yeah, that's the concerning part about when Evan says they're 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.160