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Speaker 2: I bet you're wondering what's going on here. We're gonna
Speaker 2: get to that in a minute. It's Jack Webb joining us,
Speaker 2: the new host of our Patriots pre and postgame show.
Speaker 2: Joining us for joint practice, Paul Parola, myself, Mike Dusseau,
Speaker 2: Evan Lazar. We'll be here for most of the joint
Speaker 2: practice today that we're allowed.
Speaker 5: To be well, we'll be here for the whole thing.
Speaker 5: Won't be broadcasting for about that. Yeah, so it was
Speaker 5: a good day yesterday.
Speaker 2: But before we get into the football, we got to
Speaker 2: talk seafood because the Patriots are excited to welcome in
Speaker 2: Legal Seafood this year as their official seafood restaurant and
Speaker 2: the official clam showder of the New England Patriots. So
Speaker 2: you know, when we have sponsors, it makes it really easy.
Speaker 1: To promote them when you love what they do.
Speaker 2: And I've been loving Legal Seafood my whole life. And
Speaker 2: they have locations throughout New England, Virginia, New Jersey, Chicago,
Speaker 2: and if you're looking for seafood, Legal Seafood is the
Speaker 2: place to go. If you're traveling to New England, you
Speaker 2: got to stop at Legal Seafood. But the Patriots are excited.
Speaker 2: You have two iconic brands, New England brands. You got
Speaker 2: the New England Patriots and Legal Seafood joining up.
Speaker 1: I thought it was Fred Kersh and Legal. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So so if you're at the Games this year, you'll
Speaker 2: be able to get Legal Seafood in select places on the.
Speaker 1: Concrete's that's amazing.
Speaker 5: I was just telling our chef here as he was
Speaker 5: preparing this for us that you know, tradition for me
Speaker 5: when I live in California, I'll come back to a
Speaker 5: game and then I would stop illegal seafood at the
Speaker 5: brain Tree split. That was kind of my Cyonara to Boston. So,
Speaker 5: like you said, Fred, sometimes things just work well and
Speaker 5: this is the perfect, perfect partnership.
Speaker 1: And I got a claw.
Speaker 6: It's a little Michael Jackson tribute combs up.
Speaker 1: So but you said, Fred too, the chowder, I mean,
Speaker 1: the chowder is is.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I've been saying it for years because for
Speaker 2: a long time the Patriots press box has been serving
Speaker 2: clam chowder to the press during games.
Speaker 1: He said, oh, it's legal seafood. Clam shout. I'm like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not legal seafood.
Speaker 6: And you too, I have to vouch your friend. He
Speaker 6: has done this for years.
Speaker 2: This year, if you're in the press box, members of
Speaker 2: the media, that is legal seafood, and you'll taste the difference.
Speaker 5: Well, you can see too that you got the crackers
Speaker 5: with right burning right on it. That's what I saw, Fred,
Speaker 5: when you were saying, You're like, they had the real stuff,
Speaker 5: and they had the crackers so delicious.
Speaker 2: Love it, so can we. So this was twice as
Speaker 2: long before Jack Web got to that's why we brought
Speaker 2: Jackiet today.
Speaker 5: We're like, we need some reinforcements on the giant lobster
Speaker 5: role we're about to consume.
Speaker 4: I think that's why Fred said, hey, I think Thursday's
Speaker 4: a good day for you to come down, right. They
Speaker 4: had to call on the big boy for me, and
Speaker 4: I promise I will be the clean up crew.
Speaker 2: And if we need to, if we have any leftovers,
Speaker 2: we'll just have Zoe come down and he'll polish every Yeah.
Speaker 5: I'm surprised he's not here already because we can see
Speaker 5: right through up there.
Speaker 1: Him and Beatle gonna come, yeah, come down here, try
Speaker 1: to get all this. They don't strut till ten, so
Speaker 1: he gets here at ten oh.
Speaker 5: Five, right right, pregame meals ready for you guys, when
Speaker 5: you're ready.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So thank you Legal Seafood Again. The Patriots are
Speaker 2: really excited to partner up the official seafood restaurant of
Speaker 2: the New England Patriots and the official clam chowder if
Speaker 2: they're making no mistake, the official clam chowder of the
Speaker 2: New England Patriots.
Speaker 1: So welcome aboard, Legal, We'll come aboard. Permission to dive
Speaker 1: in front.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, we should stagger it so we could do a
Speaker 5: little analysis while one of us stuff our face.
Speaker 1: Let's get one bye.
Speaker 2: Everybody knows the rules, all right, so let's get let's
Speaker 2: get down to football. Because yesterday was day one of
Speaker 2: the joint practices with the Eagles, and personally, I thought
Speaker 2: it was a continuation offensively of what we saw on
Speaker 2: Monday for Drake May and the offense.
Speaker 1: Defensively, I think the Eagles might have had a little
Speaker 1: bit of an edge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's okay, you know, that's what that's what
Speaker 2: you're here for.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think you know, we all stood
Speaker 5: up here and watched the rest of practice, and we
Speaker 5: came away with that, you know, takeaway.
Speaker 1: Good day for the offense for sure.
Speaker 5: You know, culminated in the last two minute drill where
Speaker 5: both sides of the ball, you know, performed pretty well.
Speaker 5: But when you look at the defense that you know,
Speaker 5: I don't know a lot of the other outlets I
Speaker 5: think had one guy focused on an offense, one guy
Speaker 5: focused on a defense. Once you heard from the people
Speaker 5: watching the defense, I think we all came back with
Speaker 5: a similar take that the Eagles.
Speaker 1: Had a good day on the run yesterday. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of space.
Speaker 5: I thought they made some big plays down the field too,
Speaker 5: a couple of screens that you know, found a seam
Speaker 5: and it looked like, you know, nobody's getting a hand
Speaker 5: on that running back.
Speaker 1: So I think they need to be a little better today.
Speaker 5: On the defensive side of the ball with those two
Speaker 5: things stopping the run as well as you know, preventing
Speaker 5: some of.
Speaker 1: Those big plays that were clearly wide open.
Speaker 5: And you know, the other part of it too, for me,
Speaker 5: is just I think the Eagles are gonna.
Speaker 1: Come with something to prove.
Speaker 5: Yesterday there were a lot of narratives yesterday that the
Speaker 5: Patriots quote unquote one practice and you know, depending on
Speaker 5: who you read, that could have been they dominated it
Speaker 5: to they had the slight edge or whatever it might be.
Speaker 5: So I think it's not just about fixing what they
Speaker 5: didn't do well yesterday. It's about bringing the same energy,
Speaker 5: especially against that pass rush again, because I think the
Speaker 5: Eagles are coming down here today with something, a little
Speaker 5: bit something to prove.
Speaker 6: I like the last part of what you said the most, Mike.
Speaker 6: You know, it's about what Mike Rabele talked about before
Speaker 6: the practice and then proving that you can do it.
Speaker 6: Day in and day out. How do you respond when
Speaker 6: something goes bad? You know, how do you how do
Speaker 6: you react to that kind of stuff? So I would
Speaker 6: say the Patriots were the better team in the practice yesterday. Overall,
Speaker 6: you can put everything you know, accumulate everything that happened.
Speaker 6: I would say the Patriots offense was better than the
Speaker 6: Eagles offense. I thought the Eagles offense was better than
Speaker 6: the Patriots defense, but I thought there was a wider
Speaker 6: gap between the Patriots offense in the Eagles defense, I
Speaker 6: would agree, and I was very impressed, specifically with the
Speaker 6: pass protection. I thought that's where it all began for
Speaker 6: the Patriots. I thought that allowed Drake Made to get
Speaker 6: comfortable sort of surveying the field, looking downfield and finding
Speaker 6: some big place to Aj Brown and Romeo Dobs. I
Speaker 6: thought that was everything you wanted to see. But I
Speaker 6: agree with Mike, I want to see better run fits
Speaker 6: up front. I want to see the edges, you know,
Speaker 6: sewn up a little bit. This is now a couple
Speaker 6: of weeks of training camp where the other team has
Speaker 6: been able to run the ball with some effectiveness. And
Speaker 6: I also don't think the Patriots ran the ball all
Speaker 6: that well. Offensively yesterday, So in a little clunky in
Speaker 6: the two minutes.
Speaker 1: You know, aj Brown got headlines.
Speaker 2: Obviously, people had all eyes on him former Eagle and
Speaker 2: and you know, even I think somebody from the Eagle
Speaker 2: City looks better now than he did when he.
Speaker 1: Was with US. Mitchell, thanks for reading my blogs.
Speaker 2: And the second thing is I agree with Paul the
Speaker 2: thought that I had watching our defenses, where is the
Speaker 2: pressure going to come from this year? Because I didn't
Speaker 2: really see that person and I heard on one of
Speaker 2: Paul's shows yesterday them talking about you know, is are
Speaker 2: the Patriots a stacked team in terms of talent? I
Speaker 2: don't think so on defense yet, And I think they're
Speaker 2: that piece away. They're that elite rusher away from being
Speaker 2: considered stacked on defense. You know, they've got Christian Gonzales,
Speaker 2: they've got Milton Williams and Christian Barmore in the middle,
Speaker 2: but they're an elite rusher away from being called stacked.
Speaker 2: And you do have to wonder where is the pressure
Speaker 2: going to come from? You lost Chase on I think.
Speaker 3: It's gonna come from blitzing. And that's how we saw
Speaker 3: the schemes. Yeah, that was when we saw at the
Speaker 3: end of practice, and that was my takeaways. I thought
Speaker 3: the offensive lines on both sides kind of controlled the
Speaker 3: practice for the most part yesterday, and I was really
Speaker 3: encouraged that the Patriots offensive line was able to block
Speaker 3: up the Eagles defensive front, and especially on the inside
Speaker 3: with Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter. I didn't really think
Speaker 3: that those two guys impacted the practice all that much.
Speaker 3: So that is a real big step in the right direction,
Speaker 3: especially what we saw two years ago when that matchup
Speaker 3: played out on the other side, though I agree with Deuce.
Speaker 3: I thought they ran the ball effectively in the run periods,
Speaker 3: and unless the Patriots dialed something up to get home
Speaker 3: on a blitz, I didn't think that there was a
Speaker 3: ton of pressure on the quarterback.
Speaker 1: So Jack, have you done eating? No, not yet. I'm
Speaker 1: just taking my time between bites.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you weren't here yesterday, but what are
Speaker 2: you gonna be watching for today?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be watching the offensive line.
Speaker 4: And I think that that's what made me so encouraged
Speaker 4: about listening to you guys on the camp cast yesterday
Speaker 4: and hearing how the offensive line held up, Because we
Speaker 4: just talked about the lack of pass rush for the Patriots.
Speaker 4: So when you hear the reports you know, across camp,
Speaker 4: especially at the beginning, right when they put the pads on,
Speaker 4: and it's just you know, best on best within the organization. Okay,
Speaker 4: you take those with a grain of salt, right, because
Speaker 4: you recognize that's a weakness of this team, is the
Speaker 4: pass rush. And you hear they perform against a team
Speaker 4: like the Eagles, in a front like the Eagles yesterday,
Speaker 4: and that's certainly encouraging.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I mean I'm not surprised that you'll be
Speaker 1: watching the offensive line. That's an area that I think
Speaker 1: had a good day yesterday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's to me what these practices have
Speaker 3: all been about. Because of how good the Eagles are
Speaker 3: in the trenches on both sides of the ball. I mean,
Speaker 3: you're talking about probably the best tackle tandem in the
Speaker 3: league on both sides of the ball, you know, Jordan Mylota,
Speaker 3: Lane Johnson, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis. Like, it doesn't really
Speaker 3: get much better than that. And the Patriots' ability to
Speaker 3: at least have a stalemate on the line of scrimmage
Speaker 3: I thought was important these two days and I think
Speaker 3: that they did that for the most part yesterday.
Speaker 7: We'll see if that continues.
Speaker 3: You know, Will Campbell had a couple of problems with
Speaker 3: jaylex on their pass rusher on the edge. That was
Speaker 3: the first time that I think I've said that all
Speaker 3: camp that Will Campbell had some struggles. So I'd like
Speaker 3: to see a better version of him today as well.
Speaker 3: But overall, I think that as much as you want
Speaker 3: to get into aj Brown and Saquon Barkley and all
Speaker 3: the skill players, it's really the meata of this practice
Speaker 3: is the trenches and those guys.
Speaker 7: I think the Patriots did a good job.
Speaker 2: Robert Splaine there, you just saw Matt Collins and Tommy
Speaker 2: DeVito walking onto the field. You can never miss Matt
Speaker 2: Collins because he's got the red tattered shirt underneath.
Speaker 1: Fred.
Speaker 4: To give you another angle here, I'm really interested to
Speaker 4: see this Patriots secondary with no Gonzales. You saw a
Speaker 4: ton of reports about turnovers yesterday. Sorry excuse me, lobster
Speaker 4: in the throat a couple turnovers yesterday, right for that
Speaker 4: Patriots defense, I'm eager to see what you guys see
Speaker 4: from that defense. And were those turnovers and seven on seven,
Speaker 4: were they eleven on eleven, I.
Speaker 3: Just saw mostly seven on seven or the backup cornerbacks,
Speaker 3: and that was like maybe a little bit of a
Speaker 3: pushback that I had about some of that is like
Speaker 3: I don't really care if Jalen Hurst throws picks and
Speaker 3: seven on seven, like do that on your own time.
Speaker 3: But the the eleven out eleven's, you know, interception one
Speaker 3: was kendallvilldor on, the their second uh Andy Dalton, and
Speaker 3: then the other one was John Saunders on I think
Speaker 3: their four string quarterback. Yeah yeah, so I so Joe
Speaker 3: Alerts picks were all in seven's. But I I just
Speaker 3: I feel like with this, you know, with the Eagles,
Speaker 3: I I keep just coming back to their offense installing
Speaker 3: this new offense, and the blitzing that the Patriots did
Speaker 3: did was effective at the end of practice. But if
Speaker 3: you're going to play that style of defense, you need
Speaker 3: Christian Gonzales like that. That is something that you absolutely
Speaker 3: need is guys on the outside that can shut down
Speaker 3: receivers in single coverage without a lot of help and
Speaker 3: from the middle of the field because those guys are
Speaker 3: going to be in the pass rush and and if
Speaker 3: that's how you're gonna play like they did down the
Speaker 3: stretch last season and in the playoffs. Then you need
Speaker 3: to be able to cover. And if Christian Goanzalez isn't
Speaker 3: a part of that, or him at the pa of
Speaker 3: his powers isn't a part of that, then that's a
Speaker 3: tough way to play defensively, to be like a forty
Speaker 3: percent blitz rate kind of team without a shutdown corner.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Christian Gonzales. No new news there.
Speaker 2: We have no more information than we did yesterday in
Speaker 2: terms of that situation. Mike Rabel did not speak today.
Speaker 2: He wasn't a scheduled to speak. Nick Siriani did, so
Speaker 2: nothing new on the Christian Gonzales front.
Speaker 1: No, just waiting to see.
Speaker 5: But I think, you know, again echoing what Evan said,
Speaker 5: I think they really need Christian Gonzalez out there.
Speaker 1: You can see I mean to your point.
Speaker 5: Fred, I mean love Christian Barmore and Milt Williams up front,
Speaker 5: but you know the rest of the guys around them
Speaker 5: in the front seven are you know, solid NFL players,
Speaker 5: But I don't think there's really any superstars around them,
Speaker 5: and the superstars to me are more on the back
Speaker 5: end with Gonzalez and you know, Byern and Craig Woodson emerging.
Speaker 5: I mean, he looked great yesterday. But they're gonna need
Speaker 5: to find a way to get consistent pressure without always
Speaker 5: having a blitz, like as said, because if you live.
Speaker 1: In that world, you're gonna get gas.
Speaker 5: They're gonna find they're gonna find a seam in that
Speaker 5: you know, they're gonna dump it off to a little
Speaker 5: screen pass and that guy's gone. So I just think
Speaker 5: that's if you really want this defense to be elite,
Speaker 5: it's about getting pressure with four and.
Speaker 1: Talk about getting He doesn't come out to practice a lot,
Speaker 1: does he know?
Speaker 6: That's why I said, it's a rare sight. Ye see
Speaker 6: him out here. I put him on the edge right now.
Speaker 1: Maybe you could do a snap or two. I think to.
Speaker 3: Just be a little bit positive about the defense. When
Speaker 3: they did blitz, they hit was really good defense. Three
Speaker 3: straight dropbacks pressure with blitzers up the middle mostly. And
Speaker 3: so the encouraging part is is that the schemes were
Speaker 3: working when they did blitz. They were getting free runners
Speaker 3: and they were getting guys to the quarterback. It's just
Speaker 3: you know, it give us and it takes the way
Speaker 3: you know early on in practice to hit will Shipley
Speaker 3: on a wheel route down down the sideline because they
Speaker 3: dropped Elijah Ponder out to the rush and they blitzed
Speaker 3: Robert Splaine, and Robert Splaine got there, but Shipley had
Speaker 3: the matchup on Ponder and Hurts found him for a
Speaker 3: big play. So if you're gonna blitz like that, it's
Speaker 3: gonna be risk reward. You know you're gonna give up
Speaker 3: some plays and you're gonna make some plays.
Speaker 2: So with with Gonzales out of the picture right now,
Speaker 2: Carlton Davis is now your number one corner.
Speaker 1: I didn't think he had that great a day. They
Speaker 1: went at him a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw Number seven involved in a lot of
Speaker 2: pass plays.
Speaker 5: For these Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I
Speaker 5: just I find it hard to get worked up about
Speaker 5: worrying about Carlton Davis, a veteran who you know, played
Speaker 5: his best football last year in the playoffs, and that's
Speaker 5: what I think.
Speaker 1: You'll get from Carlton Davis. I'm glad that he's healthy,
Speaker 1: that he's out there.
Speaker 5: But I think I agree with you, though, Fred, I
Speaker 5: think they they did target him a little bit. And
Speaker 5: you know, to Jack's point, seeing guys like you know
Speaker 5: in the backup seeing how those guys CHUCKI Trees, Charles Woods,
Speaker 5: how is you know, he look it seems like he's
Speaker 5: gonna play a part, you know in some of these
Speaker 5: sub packages. Del Pettis seems like he's gonna play a
Speaker 5: part in some of these sub packages. So keeping an
Speaker 5: eye on those guys and seeing how they, you know,
Speaker 5: just develop as they get more snaps.
Speaker 1: We're seeing a lot of guys get opportunities out here.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Woodson, Yeah, he's had a good camp and
Speaker 2: he had a good day yesterday. I think Patriots fans
Speaker 2: ought to be excited about him. Oh here's another guy
Speaker 2: that they drafted. Yeah, that could develop into you know,
Speaker 2: one of your solid safeties for years to come. I
Speaker 2: mean maybe more than solid too. I just I think
Speaker 2: he's all over the place. I think he's been going
Speaker 2: after the quarterback. We saw that yesterday. He's getting his
Speaker 2: hands on balls consistently.
Speaker 5: Was so interested to see how he would blossom with
Speaker 5: Kevin Bayer and I think we're still curious how they're
Speaker 5: going to use those guys. Are they going to be
Speaker 5: interchangeable or is no buyer going to be kind of
Speaker 5: be on the back end and Woodson's going to be
Speaker 5: in the box, moving around making plays.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about Craig Woodson here.
Speaker 6: Two, I'm still a little unsure, you know how that
Speaker 6: whole group. I think that whole group potentially is the
Speaker 6: strength of the team secondary. Yeah, but I'm a little
Speaker 6: concerned about it if Gonzale is you know, any prolonged
Speaker 6: absence here and I I'm not to the point where
Speaker 6: I'm overly worried about the contract now. I think if
Speaker 6: we get to the end of preseason, if we're talking,
Speaker 6: you know, this time next week, you know, as we're
Speaker 6: getting ready for the Cleveland game, and there's still nothing
Speaker 6: going on. Now, you're potentially bleeding into the season without
Speaker 6: the contract being resolved, without him, I kind of I
Speaker 6: think there's been a lot of open guys. I think
Speaker 6: there were a lot of open guys yesterday and those
Speaker 6: eleven on eleven periods that we watched right below us
Speaker 6: evidently that no one else in the media saw. So
Speaker 6: I thought, well, just you you know, Marcus Jones my
Speaker 6: views crush.
Speaker 1: I have a crush on Marcus Jones Jack, but.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he had a nice place like Woodson, I
Speaker 6: think had a couple of picks. I just I'm not
Speaker 6: as concerned about the turnovers the takeaways. Now, if you
Speaker 6: take the ball away all year, then you had a
Speaker 6: great year.
Speaker 1: That's one of those things.
Speaker 6: I feel like takeaways are just not one of those
Speaker 6: things that you can rely on. It's not a constant.
Speaker 6: So so what happens when you don't create takeaways? You
Speaker 6: have to come up with stops. I have my concerns
Speaker 6: about that if Gonzalez is not part of the pitcher.
Speaker 6: I think I've seen some open guys. I think bayered
Speaker 6: In Woodson have let some guys get open behind them,
Speaker 6: you know, periodically whoever's playing center field.
Speaker 1: There was one yesterday like sort.
Speaker 6: Of a deep over route that it was either Dentavian
Speaker 6: Wicks or Elijah Moore.
Speaker 1: I think it was Elijah Moore. I think I think,
Speaker 1: you know, Evan and I had like three different guys
Speaker 1: that we.
Speaker 6: Have identified as the numbers on the terribly doesn't matter
Speaker 6: because he was behind the Patriots defense and that I
Speaker 6: don't want to see anyone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the concerning part about when Evan says they're
Speaker 4: gonna have to rely on the Blitz is the secondary
Speaker 4: is one of no doubt, one of the strengths of
Speaker 4: your team and probably a strength of the defense, right,
Speaker 4: But how much stress can you put on that unit
Speaker 4: if you're gonna be blitzing the whole time and relying
Speaker 4: on those guys to either cover a lot of space
Speaker 4: in blit zone coverage or stay with their guy and
Speaker 4: man blitz, you know what I mean. And I think
Speaker 4: that is that is what concerns me the most as
Speaker 4: a season goes on. You can get away with it
Speaker 4: in spurts and it can be a great you know,
Speaker 4: ideally a blitz is a great curve ball, right for
Speaker 4: a defense and a great weapon to use strategically, but
Speaker 4: if you're relying on it to get home that that
Speaker 4: concerns me long term.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, back to the turnover situation, I
Speaker 2: agree with you, Paul, like causing turnovers, you don't can't
Speaker 2: always count.
Speaker 7: On it some defenses.
Speaker 2: That having giveaways though, it is something you can control.
Speaker 2: That's something that I think the Patriots have to look
Speaker 2: at this year because they put the ball on the
Speaker 2: ground a lot last year. It wasn't just Ramond je
Speaker 2: Stevenson the quarterback then too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they were fortunate they didn't lose more fumbles.
Speaker 2: Rightast year, Right, so I think they had maybe a
Speaker 2: record in the playoffs for fumbles or something like that,
Speaker 2: so that when it comes to the turnover battle, what
Speaker 2: you can control is what you do throwing picks and
Speaker 2: losing the ball, and that's more important, I think than
Speaker 2: getting them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no doubt the depth that corner. I'm not
Speaker 3: so concerned maybe as Paul about the safeties. I think
Speaker 3: the safeties are pretty good, but the depth that corner
Speaker 3: behind those top three has been something I think that's
Speaker 3: on all of our radars all summer long.
Speaker 1: But isn't that the case with every team?
Speaker 3: Well, I was just about to say, like, we're talking
Speaker 3: about the fourth corner not being good enough at this point,
Speaker 3: but that's where we're at. It's not that they don't
Speaker 3: have frontline players that aren't good enough. It's that you know,
Speaker 3: their depth in certain areas aren't good enough, which is
Speaker 3: a first world it's a first world problem to have,
Speaker 3: There's no doubt. But those guys do have some injury histories.
Speaker 3: Marcus Jones plays a physically demanding position in the nickel
Speaker 3: in the slot, so like those guys have missed some games,
Speaker 3: you know, and I.
Speaker 1: Just feel like it.
Speaker 6: It looks different, and I think you put too much
Speaker 6: pressure on that guy, Greg, May you know, I think
Speaker 6: it looks different without Gonzales, and I think the trickle
Speaker 6: down effect is noticeable. I think we saw it a
Speaker 6: little bit early, but they're gonna have Gonzales, Like okay,
Speaker 6: if that. If that's the case, then I think that's
Speaker 6: where's he go secondaries of strength.
Speaker 1: I worried he's not going to be all in, Okay.
Speaker 6: I worry like maybe, like, let me ask you this,
Speaker 6: and well, I'm going to stake this up front because
Speaker 6: we all don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the answer is we don't know the truth.
Speaker 6: We don't know exactly what is your gut telling you
Speaker 6: about his health status right now?
Speaker 1: I think that if he had to play, he could play.
Speaker 2: But I think when you get a little tweak like
Speaker 2: that and you're in the contract situation you're at, you
Speaker 2: think twice.
Speaker 1: And you might be right. I think he's one hundred
Speaker 1: percent Okay.
Speaker 6: I think I think like ten days ago, he turned
Speaker 6: his ankle and used that as an opportunity to hold in.
Speaker 6: That's what I feel, Okay, So what's to prevent that
Speaker 6: from happening?
Speaker 1: When the season comes.
Speaker 3: I suppose, I mean, and I guess you know, he's
Speaker 3: put enough product on tape that he's going to get
Speaker 3: paid regardless, But that would be the one thing, right.
Speaker 3: It is like if they're making you sing for your supper,
Speaker 3: so to speak. The only thing that you can do
Speaker 3: out is go out and ball out. And whether it's
Speaker 3: for the Patriots or it's for one of the other
Speaker 3: thirty one teams that's going to pay you, you know,
Speaker 3: putting more good tape out there, a pro caliber team
Speaker 3: that's making your case, hopefully that's what ends up having.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a rules question, because I don't
Speaker 2: know the answer to this. If you're a player who
Speaker 2: has an injury and the team decides to put you
Speaker 2: on IR, do you get credit for that season?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes you do. Yes, Okay, you know.
Speaker 6: He's not going to go on IR for the whole season,
Speaker 6: but yes you do. If you get placed on IR.
Speaker 6: That's in a crude season.
Speaker 1: It's in a crude season. What's disappointing.
Speaker 4: But these conversations to me is that he's a guy
Speaker 4: where you praised him right.
Speaker 1: At the beginning of camp. He's out there in pads.
Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, when is this holding potentially going to start?
Speaker 1: They start hitting, They're still.
Speaker 4: Doing eleven on eleven when the full pads come on,
Speaker 4: He's still out there, and all of a sudden, you
Speaker 4: find yourself.
Speaker 1: In this situation.
Speaker 4: And I think a lot has changed in Patriots fans
Speaker 4: minds over the past week.
Speaker 1: Milton Williams was impressive yesterday too.
Speaker 6: You know, he's out there with his fellow defensive tackles there,
Speaker 6: Lennon Taylor and Joshua Farmer. But Milton Williams showed up
Speaker 6: to me yesterday. I mean he always does, but you know,
Speaker 6: I thought he was noticeable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, on a couple of those run plays that we've
Speaker 3: been talking about. I thought ninety seven was in the
Speaker 3: backfield and in a game he might have been able
Speaker 3: to make the play. You know, in a practice you
Speaker 3: don't necessarily see that as much.
Speaker 1: There was a little bit of a role reversal, Mike.
Speaker 6: There was actually one play where that happened exactly the
Speaker 6: way Evan just described. And I said, I actually think
Speaker 6: Milton Williams would have made the tackle, and Evan was like,
Speaker 6: he was there, but I don't know for sure if
Speaker 6: he would have made the tackle. Well, it was Saquon
Speaker 6: Barkley with the bat, so you never.
Speaker 1: Know what that guy if he jumped over him backwards.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Barkley was just tremendous yesterday, like the
Speaker 3: patients to run the ball between the tackles and feed
Speaker 3: off the blocks and you know, feel his way through
Speaker 3: and then hit the gas once he was in the
Speaker 3: open field.
Speaker 2: You know, I've got to be honest with all the
Speaker 2: talk about, you know, the trenches for the Eagles, I
Speaker 2: completely forgot.
Speaker 1: Oh, Saquon Barkley's on that team too. I know that
Speaker 1: happened to Joy practice.
Speaker 6: If you want, and also I'm not this is not
Speaker 6: a shot at.
Speaker 1: You, because I know you did watch.
Speaker 6: But if people were watching the practice, you would have
Speaker 6: seen sa Quon Barkley hit his head on the goalpost.
Speaker 6: Of all three times, right, he probably had like one
Speaker 6: hundred and twenty rushing yards in like ten carries in
Speaker 6: that scrimm, you know, scrimmage.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the patients.
Speaker 2: Chesney coming on with the with the head coach. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get him back. Earlier, we saw Drake May
Speaker 2: and by the way, wrapping Drake May. You know, I
Speaker 2: know these guys make fun of me because they don't
Speaker 2: think I.
Speaker 1: Like Drake May him. I'm the only one wearing a
Speaker 1: Drake May T shirt. Okay.
Speaker 6: I didn't say, all right, you don't support him, said
Speaker 6: down on him.
Speaker 1: I mean that's understanding. Okay, there you go.
Speaker 2: And by the way, by the way, I need to
Speaker 2: clarify Patriot's nation on his nickname, Drake Drake May May.
Speaker 2: His nickname is not Drake Drake May May. His nickname
Speaker 2: is Drake May. You don't say the whole thing. So
Speaker 2: it's not the Mario Pop Douglas. His nickname is pop.
Speaker 2: So Drake May's nickname is Drake May. Right, I see
Speaker 2: what she I see what she's saying. So what do
Speaker 2: we call him?
Speaker 1: Drake May?
Speaker 2: Okay, so so good. He doesn't need a nickname. So
Speaker 2: his nickname becomes Drake May.
Speaker 5: If you're writing it like on a T shirt like
Speaker 5: you Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Of course, so like Ja Mario Pop Douglas, Drake Drake
Speaker 2: May May. But when you're referring to him by his nickname,
Speaker 2: you just say Drake May.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You can say Drake too if you want, Just
Speaker 1: Drake Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean he he just some of the.
Speaker 3: Some of the throws he made yesterday we're just yeasty.
Speaker 3: I mean he was on the crossing route early on
Speaker 3: in practice. I think we posted it on on social
Speaker 3: that Greek Wollen was right on A. J. Brown's hip
Speaker 3: and he just put it exactly where it needed to be.
Speaker 3: The ball down the sideline the Brown over his outside
Speaker 3: shoulder was just an unbelievable throw.
Speaker 7: Uh he was.
Speaker 3: I mean, quarterback's good. Course, Like I I feel like
Speaker 3: I just don't need to really talk talk about the
Speaker 3: quarterback and a ton. The quarterback's good. The Patriots are
Speaker 3: in good hands. It's it's cool to be in one
Speaker 3: of these practices. And like Jalen Hurts is a name
Speaker 3: brand quarterback, and the Patriots have the better quarterback at
Speaker 3: the and it's not particularly close.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was that close yesterday. You know,
Speaker 1: I thought May was markedly better.
Speaker 5: I think what was apparent to me too, is that
Speaker 5: you just see the element of Drake May.
Speaker 1: That's a gamer.
Speaker 5: I think he gets up for like competition against another
Speaker 5: team we've seen, you know, not to say that he's
Speaker 5: bored or anything like that during regular practice, but when
Speaker 5: it gets competitive, I think that's when you.
Speaker 1: Really start to see his best stuff.
Speaker 4: What has to make you feel so good as a
Speaker 4: Patriot fan. Is just a couple of years ago, you're like, Okay,
Speaker 4: where are we going at this Petica? Where we were
Speaker 4: at Jack.
Speaker 1: And then you blink and you're just right.
Speaker 4: It really stood out to me yesterday when you guys
Speaker 4: were talking about how within the organization they.
Speaker 1: Just expect him to be the standard.
Speaker 4: I mean they were talking about how you know, he
Speaker 4: is basically a part of the organization in terms of
Speaker 4: the standards that they need day in and day out.
Speaker 4: He's an example for other guys to follow. And that's
Speaker 4: what's so refreshing. And honestly, we took it for granted
Speaker 4: with Tom Brady, right, it was happening for so long,
Speaker 4: and then you get.
Speaker 1: A dose or reality, you know what, particular without a
Speaker 1: doubt what you know.
Speaker 4: The probably two thirds these NFL teams are dealing with
Speaker 4: year and in, year out, and then you're right back to
Speaker 4: having a guy who every day is delivering and it
Speaker 4: is just not a question.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. Look, who found the lobster?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Graul Sales always knows when they're free from there's
Speaker 2: a company wide email, there's a lobster for everybody.
Speaker 1: Come on down, they have a.
Speaker 7: Different Uh, they have a different budget on the road.
Speaker 2: And absolutely, well they're they're entertaining guests. Yeah they call it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: exactly so uh, Hunter Henry And in his quarterback Drake May.
Speaker 3: Saw Josh McDaniels walking up the hill second ago, and
Speaker 3: I just I keep coming back to how fortunate Drake
Speaker 3: May is to have Josh McDaniels as his offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: For the second year in a row.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, it's just it's such a great pairing
Speaker 3: and I hope that that's there together for a very,
Speaker 3: very long time because I think Drake May is going
Speaker 3: to be a perennial m VP candidate.
Speaker 7: He's calling plays for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bar more being eased into the eleven and eleven's
Speaker 2: coming in situationally, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had had a pressure in that two minute
Speaker 3: drill we talked about yesterday. Did some third down situational
Speaker 3: type of works and one on ones looks good, looks.
Speaker 7: Strong, looks ready to go.
Speaker 3: I think that one is like a load management thing
Speaker 3: that they don't really need Christian Barmore to be taking
Speaker 3: too many reps this time of year, so it's like
Speaker 3: a little.
Speaker 1: Less load management overall. I would say this year maybe
Speaker 1: is that Uh would you agree with that?
Speaker 5: Like, I mean, Morgan Moses, I feel like we've seen
Speaker 5: more of him this summer than we might have seen
Speaker 5: last summer. I feel like you see more Christian Barmore.
Speaker 5: I don't know if that was still Barmore.
Speaker 6: I think we've seen less of I think Barbore's missed,
Speaker 6: He's missed entire practices.
Speaker 1: But Moses is a good I think you're probably right.
Speaker 5: I think guys would come out late, you know, be like, oh,
Speaker 5: that's sometimes he's left early too.
Speaker 6: He has, and he's he's come out late, but not
Speaker 6: I don't think is often. I think Mike is right
Speaker 6: about that, and he's also at times Lomo will go in, yeah, finish,
Speaker 6: like the second set of eleven on eleven's, and then
Speaker 6: maybe Marcus Bryant will go in and finish.
Speaker 3: I wonder how much of him being more present at
Speaker 3: practice has to do with Caleb Blowmo and trying to
Speaker 3: mentor Caleb Blomo a little bit, because I think a
Speaker 3: lot of the times Morgan Moses is just kind of
Speaker 3: standing there as Caleb Blowman is taking reps. And I
Speaker 3: think that those two there there's a mentorship that is
Speaker 3: trying to happen there between those guys.
Speaker 2: I know camp is competition. You know, as a head coach,
Speaker 2: you want competition in your camp. Do you think a
Speaker 2: guy like Morgan Moses feels any competition or is it like, ah, no,
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 4: I think he's at a stage of his career where
Speaker 4: he's looking to pass the torch.
Speaker 1: Eventually, he knows he's on the back half, you know,
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 4: And I don't think he feels threatened by a first
Speaker 4: round project tackle. I think he very much knows the
Speaker 4: type of player he is, especially with the games he
Speaker 4: gave him last year, you know, at that age and
Speaker 4: his injury history to be able to play that many games,
Speaker 4: I think he's very comfortable in that role. And I
Speaker 4: think you see it with the way he mentors the guys.
Speaker 4: You're always seeing reports and video coming out of him
Speaker 4: after practice, working with a young tackle, working with a
Speaker 4: defensive end. I think the way he's been so generous
Speaker 4: with Will Campbell and Lomu the past couple of years,
Speaker 4: at least from what I've seen from Afar, makes me
Speaker 4: think that he's very much secure.
Speaker 2: And I find that interesting because so often we hear,
Speaker 2: oh Tom Brady's gonna mentor you know, uh, that's not
Speaker 2: always the case. A lot of veterans like, hey, I
Speaker 2: got work to do myself. I don't have time to
Speaker 2: be helping other people.
Speaker 3: It does help that he plays tackle at a high level,
Speaker 3: and that's not a position of depth across the league.
Speaker 3: So if it's not here that he's starting at right tackle,
Speaker 3: going to be somewhere.
Speaker 1: I think he's pretty close.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think there were some reports in the
Speaker 6: off season that he really contemplated retirement. I would be
Speaker 6: surprised if this wasn't his last year, So I think
Speaker 6: he can look at it that way too. And I
Speaker 6: think it's one thing to say, like, and I'm not
Speaker 6: please Evan, do not jump.
Speaker 1: Buggly on me when I say this.
Speaker 6: But I'm not suggesting that there there aren't nuances in
Speaker 6: techniques in a lot that goes into playing tackle.
Speaker 1: Of course there are.
Speaker 6: But to compare a mentoring situation for a veteran offensive.
Speaker 1: Lineman to a quarterback is not really close.
Speaker 6: Like I can understand any quarterback that says I have
Speaker 6: all I could do on my own to know what
Speaker 6: I'm doing and get the game plans right and understand
Speaker 6: my checks and everything. I mean with the offensive line,
Speaker 6: there's a lot that goes into it. I'm not diminishing yet,
Speaker 6: but I don't.
Speaker 1: Think it's anywhere near the scope of what a quarterback
Speaker 1: would need to do.
Speaker 7: I'll allow that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, what do you think I think?
Speaker 6: I think I soft pedaled it enough to not have
Speaker 6: every day.
Speaker 1: You big guys, you just sit there and you block people.
Speaker 7: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: Like if you're using a two hand punch, independent hands,
Speaker 3: vertical said jump set you.
Speaker 1: I could do that.
Speaker 7: You know, it doesn't matter. You know, they just blocked
Speaker 7: the guy.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad we had common ground. It just
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Just make sure that guy doesn't hit the quarterback.
Speaker 3: You know, we can vertical set all the time and
Speaker 3: Will Campbell can go back into the quarterback slap every
Speaker 3: single play, or we can learn how to.
Speaker 6: And everybody can tell me what a great rookie year
Speaker 6: he had. So it doesn't matter. You just prove my point.
Speaker 1: I love Paul's ability to push the buttons.
Speaker 4: But I will say about Morgan Moses's tackle in the
Speaker 4: league feels like one of those positions where age catches
Speaker 4: up to the quickest. I mean you can mask it
Speaker 4: at some positions inside a guard. You got to help
Speaker 4: at center, you got help a ton of positions around
Speaker 4: the league.
Speaker 1: You're not as much on an island. A good slush
Speaker 1: can enjoy off.
Speaker 2: Oh you don't eat dells with a straw. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: he must not be from New England.
Speaker 1: What do you need a little spoon?
Speaker 2: You know, you don't even use a spoon. You squeeze
Speaker 2: the cup and just and force it out, right.
Speaker 1: They have the sticky juice, just rip. I know, at
Speaker 1: least get the little little straws.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, you gotta straw at the end, don't
Speaker 5: You don't eat I don't know.
Speaker 1: Then you get the nice juice at the bottom. It's
Speaker 1: all cold.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that finishing, finishing that off. But I think
Speaker 4: you think about being a tackle in the NFL. Imagine
Speaker 4: having a deal. You're getting up there in age, right,
Speaker 4: You're feeling every little injury, every bumping, the bruise.
Speaker 1: You think about.
Speaker 4: Imagine you're just put yourself in the picture of someone,
Speaker 4: maybe you know on the Seattle Seahawks. Maybe you're getting
Speaker 4: old and you got to go deal with Miles Garrett
Speaker 4: and you got to deal with Nick Bosa twice a year.
Speaker 4: It's a position where you know, age catches up to
Speaker 4: you quickly when you're out there on an island against
Speaker 4: some of the freakest of athletes the world has offered.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we haven't seen like a camp retirement in a while.
Speaker 5: I remember, like, yeah, we had a run of those.
Speaker 5: Bruski he kind of what it wasn't he won Nikovich
Speaker 5: kind of one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a lot of line again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dante Scarneki used to put those guys out the
Speaker 3: pasture on a daily basis, Like they come to one
Speaker 3: practice with Dante and they'd be like, yeah, all right, I'm.
Speaker 7: Not long for this, I'm out absolutely all right.
Speaker 1: What else are we looking for today? Right now? We
Speaker 1: can't have our cameras on the field. I mean, to me,
Speaker 1: the world where it is consistency.
Speaker 5: Paul said it earlier, and that's you know, you can
Speaker 5: have one good practice against the Eagles. Did you go
Speaker 5: home and you started reading some of the headlines that
Speaker 5: other people wrote about how you dominated the practice, and
Speaker 5: you know you were in the super Bowl and you're
Speaker 5: you're back, and you know you're gonna just walk out
Speaker 5: here today and put the helmet on and roll this
Speaker 5: Eagles team again.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: You know, look, any team can have a lucky year
Speaker 5: and it all kind of lines up and you have
Speaker 5: a great season. But the teams that are special are
Speaker 5: the ones that do it year after year after year.
Speaker 5: That's what you know, Bill Belichick and Tom Brady's Patriots did.
Speaker 1: Every year. It was a new team. They found new
Speaker 1: ways to win, but they were always good.
Speaker 5: And you know, can the Patriots get back to that
Speaker 5: consistency not just oh yeah it was great last year.
Speaker 5: We had an easy schedule, we'd have any injuries. Everything
Speaker 5: kind of lined up. We went to the Super Bowl,
Speaker 5: and now you know we're going to be back around
Speaker 5: like the six seven wins that you know some people
Speaker 5: might have thought they would have the.
Speaker 1: Team just do it again.
Speaker 2: Podcasts at Patriots dot com is the email address. Let's
Speaker 2: see who was this, Mike? I think, let's see, looks
Speaker 2: like a J. Brown went off. Could that be because
Speaker 2: he has familiarity with the Eagles defense because he's practiced
Speaker 2: with them a lot in the past.
Speaker 1: I think he's just good good. Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I might have helped him, but yeah, I think wasn't there.
Speaker 6: I think he's a good player. I just you know,
Speaker 6: and I think he's been getting better and better. It
Speaker 6: seeming seems to me every day of camp. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: I will allow if he wanted to sort of downplay
Speaker 6: his his performance yesterday, maybe he had a little more motivation, Yeah,
Speaker 6: motivation than anybody else, which you know is hard to deny.
Speaker 6: You know, he was asked point blank you know if
Speaker 6: he has spoken at all to Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: Nope, nope. It was a very quick short answer that
Speaker 1: I think told you a lot.
Speaker 3: It feels like a similar situation going on with my
Speaker 3: Celtics and Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum, and we just
Speaker 3: switched cities on a and then you look at like
Speaker 3: Roman Anthony and Marcelo Meyer, and Roman Anthony was practically
Speaker 3: in tears talking about the fact that Marcel Meyer got traded.
Speaker 3: So I think you got a nice indication of where
Speaker 3: things stand right now between A. J.
Speaker 7: Brown and his teammates.
Speaker 4: Due to your point, I think when you talk about
Speaker 4: consistency day two of a joint practice like this, you
Speaker 4: got to remember going into that first practice, you're probably
Speaker 4: looking at tape.
Speaker 1: From last year's games.
Speaker 4: Last night, yesterday afternoon, they had a chance to watch
Speaker 4: the film from practice yesterday, and they're all making adjustments
Speaker 4: coming into today's practice. And I think that's where you'll
Speaker 4: be impressed with the Patriots if they can have a
Speaker 4: full day of tape, a full practice on tape, and
Speaker 4: then come out still execute and still you know, for
Speaker 4: for the most part, I guess beat the Eagles in
Speaker 4: terms of practice wise.
Speaker 1: That that tells you a lot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think yesterday we saw a lot
Speaker 5: of middlefield stuff. I'm assuming today we're gonna probably see
Speaker 5: red zone. I mean, that's probably the progression. Sure, there'll
Speaker 5: be another one of those two minuttrils that that are good.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think part.
Speaker 5: Of it too is, you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 5: seven on seven stuff going on yesterday that people are
Speaker 5: going crazy for, and you know, that's nice, but that
Speaker 5: doesn't really feed into my overall takeaway from practice. It's
Speaker 5: you know, it's a piece of it, but it's a
Speaker 5: lot of the competitive stuff, you know down the end,
Speaker 5: and I mean, let's say too, a lot of times
Speaker 5: these second days fights, Yeah, fights, I would say, let's
Speaker 5: hope we don't see that there was that that that
Speaker 5: one thing, but the field the field goal yesterday, and
Speaker 5: you know they will mixing it up a little bit.
Speaker 5: I think Jalen Carter was involved in the middle of
Speaker 5: that for the Eagles, and then it kind of died down,
Speaker 5: and I thought, really the practice without incident for the
Speaker 5: most part. Yeah, and I hope you get the same
Speaker 5: thing today that just bogs it down.
Speaker 2: I don't see that particular incident blowing over to today.
Speaker 5: No, but I mean, I you know, I remember the
Speaker 5: Green Bay Joint practices Day two of that. It was
Speaker 5: like seven fights in the first nine yea. I mean
Speaker 5: it was stupid. It was like, what are we even
Speaker 5: doing here? I don't think that's gonna happen today, but
Speaker 5: you never know. Day two things are things can carry
Speaker 5: over a little bit. So we'll see if guys can
Speaker 5: stay disciplined.
Speaker 2: Matt and Virginia Beach writes in Day Kwon Jones and
Speaker 2: Shaq Thompson a side. I can't see the Patriots bringing
Speaker 2: in any pass rushers of note before week one. My
Speaker 2: question is that if our pass rushers aren't affecting the
Speaker 2: quarterback the way we'd like, do you think the Patriots
Speaker 2: would explore trade for a pass rusher near the trade deadline.
Speaker 7: It's possible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know you're hoping and we talked a
Speaker 3: little bit about this yesterday, that Elijah Ponder and Gay
Speaker 3: Baccus improve and those guys emerge. You Ponder making that
Speaker 3: year two lead backs, you know, coming into his own
Speaker 3: as a rookie. Maybe you know, they're going to allow
Speaker 3: those young guys some leash here to see if they
Speaker 3: can bring the juice that they need. I thought Akis
Speaker 3: flashed a couple of times yesterday, and I so consistently
Speaker 3: see him do that in practice, maybe not with the speed, Paul, but.
Speaker 7: With the other elements of his games.
Speaker 3: So I'm you know, encouraged by what I've seen from
Speaker 3: Acus and I think that hopefully that comes along a
Speaker 3: little bit more.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean, anything is on the table.
Speaker 5: I connected to Harold Landry because I think you're going
Speaker 5: to give Ponder and Acus some time to develop. They're
Speaker 5: two young players that they clearly, you know, really like Ponder.
Speaker 5: Not sure what his ceiling is. We talked about that yesterday.
Speaker 5: Akus is figuring it all out. But you know, is
Speaker 5: Harold Landry able to come back and be solid for
Speaker 5: you and you know, give you you know, maybe even
Speaker 5: just enable Ponder to move into that role like.
Speaker 1: We talked about, as a pass rusher.
Speaker 5: But you know, if Landry doesn't come back, or if
Speaker 5: he's not what he used to be and they like
Speaker 5: then I could definitely see them, you know, maybe trying
Speaker 5: to add somebody. But I don't think they're going to
Speaker 5: give up on Acis and Ponder anytime soon.
Speaker 2: At the crowd another big crowd here at Let's State
Speaker 2: in huge crowd yesterday, what do you think of Hassan
Speaker 2: Redick as a like a later down the road veteran.
Speaker 6: He's still on the market, I think, yeah, he's still unsigned.
Speaker 1: I think I mean violence.
Speaker 4: He plays the violence that and I think that's something
Speaker 4: you hope if that's still a position in need towards
Speaker 4: a trade deadline, you hope that's something they address. Because
Speaker 4: they have a roster that can win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: I think we can all agree on that. But if
Speaker 4: that's still a position in need when you get there
Speaker 4: and the young guys aren't exactly where you want him
Speaker 4: to be and you feel like you don't want to
Speaker 4: blitz all the time, like we talked about earlier, you
Speaker 4: would hope that Patriots go and address that as a
Speaker 4: team that's all in and trying to go win. The
Speaker 4: big one is if that's really what you feel like,
Speaker 4: can unlock everything and in the one missing piece, you
Speaker 4: hope at the trade deadline or with a guy like Reddick,
Speaker 4: they'll make a signing or a move to unlock that
Speaker 4: missing piece.
Speaker 1: David Main writes, and you know him, Jack, I don't
Speaker 1: give me a last thing because.
Speaker 6: Everybody in California for a while, so that's a much
Speaker 6: bigger state than May.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Dave's question is mainly for Evan.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but why doesn't Marcus Jones return kicks?
Speaker 1: Is it really that different than punt return?
Speaker 7: Oh, We've been over this a couple of times.
Speaker 3: I think the main reason why he doesn't return them
Speaker 3: is his body type and durability. Like, I don't think
Speaker 3: they want to put him back there in risk injury
Speaker 3: to him being back there.
Speaker 7: They've talked about that in the past.
Speaker 3: He already plays full time on defense, he returns punts,
Speaker 3: He's got a lot on his plate already, So I
Speaker 3: think it's a durability or just like injury protection thing.
Speaker 3: Mostly it is a different skill set and I think
Speaker 3: he would be good at it, but it is a
Speaker 3: different skill set.
Speaker 7: You look at guys that.
Speaker 3: Return kickoffs, it's more straight line speed, Quardell Patterson type
Speaker 3: of players. You look at punt returners, it's more Marcus Jones.
Speaker 3: You want the jitterbugs, the guys that can make people miss.
Speaker 3: So it is a little bit different in terms of
Speaker 3: you know what you look for in that respect, but
Speaker 3: they I think the main thing with Marcus Jones is
Speaker 3: the durability factor.
Speaker 6: Freddy, you had your Guyfton Chisholm made a guy miss.
Speaker 1: On a punt return yesterday.
Speaker 6: He had a good move, just put his foot the
Speaker 6: ground and change directions.
Speaker 7: The guys the guy.
Speaker 1: The guys are on you a lot faster on a
Speaker 1: punt return.
Speaker 3: The gunners and the guys covering the punt, they're right
Speaker 3: in there in the grill a lot of the time,
Speaker 3: whereas the kickoff return you have a runway to kind
Speaker 3: of build up speed.
Speaker 7: So guys that can build up speed are more.
Speaker 2: But it's a good question, and it's one that we've
Speaker 2: thought about. Like a guy like Marcus Jones, I'll bet he.
Speaker 1: Could do it, absolutely, he'd be their best kick.
Speaker 6: Did it, Yeah, But you know how much I just
Speaker 6: think it's a little bit more violent with the new
Speaker 6: syst quote unquote dynamic.
Speaker 3: I think that's why they don't put Travon Henderson back
Speaker 3: there a ton either. And I think both those guys
Speaker 3: Henderson did it in the playoffs last year when they
Speaker 3: needed a kind of a play a spark from special teams. Like,
Speaker 3: if you get to a point like that where it's
Speaker 3: the AMC Championship game and you need a spark, then
Speaker 3: I think that they might put the guy like Henderson
Speaker 3: back there to try to get it to him.
Speaker 4: So, so your original point on this topic is Troy
Speaker 4: Brown last week talked about on the pregame show how
Speaker 4: you want a bigger body to run through those arm
Speaker 4: tackles on a kickoff compared to a punt return.
Speaker 3: It's much more about build up speed than it is about,
Speaker 3: you know, elusiveness. Yeah, that's the real difference.
Speaker 2: Nick and North Dakota, Right, Sin wondering is has Duce
Speaker 2: developed any Derek Henry type man crushes on any of
Speaker 2: the Eagles players?
Speaker 1: Is that your guy? Douce Derrick Henry?
Speaker 5: Well, oh god, you know, since we're at a joint practice,
Speaker 5: Jack and it's your first one, I'll share this story.
Speaker 5: We were in a joint practice down in Tennessee in
Speaker 5: twenty nineteen. My first like this is, I've been working
Speaker 5: here like two.
Speaker 1: Weeks a couple of times. It's all right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: sit you down there. And so we're doing a live
Speaker 1: show just like we are right now.
Speaker 5: We were down on the field, we couldn't see anything,
Speaker 5: and Derek Henry's actually rehabbing at the time, and so
Speaker 5: he walked left to right in front of our tables
Speaker 5: right well, he only was really wearing spandex shorts bread.
Speaker 1: To be honest, that was oh, it wasn't just shorts.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just sureless.
Speaker 7: He's married to a woman.
Speaker 5: And my jaws on the floor because I first looked
Speaker 5: at him like, oh, they're they're working out, looking at Duce.
Speaker 1: It's just like offensive tackle.
Speaker 5: And then like my brain suddenly was like that's Derrick Henry.
Speaker 5: And I'm like and I look and like Paul Fred
Speaker 5: not or you were there, Paul Eric not even rattled,
Speaker 5: you know, they're just continuing to do their analysis. And
Speaker 5: then like I make eyes with Matt Morrell, who's also like,
Speaker 5: guys wide hope we're going holy crap. So Dereck Henry's
Speaker 5: been my guy ever since. But no, I haven't been
Speaker 5: really spending much time. I got at the Eagles players.
Speaker 3: I got one for you and not have to put
Speaker 3: our camera guys on the spot. But ninety three for
Speaker 3: the Eagles who are Bernard. He's from Nigeria. He did
Speaker 3: not play college football okay in America. He's a bafway player.
Speaker 3: He had a nine point nine out of ten relative
Speaker 3: athletics scorer at relatively athletic at the International Combine and
Speaker 3: he is a has second.
Speaker 1: So the International Combine is that using the metric system?
Speaker 2: Is that right?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: This guy he ran and it's weird too. I'll get
Speaker 3: the exact numbers for you. He's an absolute free He
Speaker 3: ran a two nine.
Speaker 1: He actually had a.
Speaker 3: Really good rep in one on ones against Elijah Verttucker yesterday.
Speaker 3: He is six foot five, three hundred and six pounds.
Speaker 3: He ran a four to six to three in the
Speaker 3: forty yards its defensive lineman. He is a defensive tackle.
Speaker 3: He jumped thirty nine inches in the vertical at six
Speaker 3: five three oh six.
Speaker 1: He ran a four to six three. Do you say
Speaker 1: forty nine?
Speaker 7: No? Thirty?
Speaker 1: It's not get too crazy, okay.
Speaker 5: So He's just a Nigerian lump of clay that they're
Speaker 5: going to mold into another All.
Speaker 3: Pro A classic Howie Roseman. You know, we're just gonna
Speaker 3: figure this guy out. Thet we think talk about Ron
Speaker 3: is a big Chesney fan.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, yeah, Yeah, it seems like.
Speaker 5: I love the Chesney's always got, like the broken in hat,
Speaker 5: Like it doesn't look like he swung through the pro Shop.
Speaker 1: On his shoes. But he never wears sleeves either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those sleeves either. What do we got into forty time
Speaker 1: for Chesney right now? Do you think he likes that hat?
Speaker 1: He wears that hat a lot.
Speaker 7: He's six point sixty three.
Speaker 1: He's at least sub seven.
Speaker 2: I'll give him the meters of yards that had it
Speaker 2: to Patriots Pro Shop. Yeah, let everyone know good Patriot,
Speaker 2: Matt writes in something I was thinking about and I
Speaker 2: wanted your thoughts. I feel what made the dynasty area
Speaker 2: of Patriots so dangerous was the psychological effect that Tom
Speaker 2: Brady had on the opponent. I believe that every team
Speaker 2: that faced the Patriots tried as best as they could
Speaker 2: to win, but they were mentally ready to lose.
Speaker 1: Could Drake may develop in.
Speaker 2: A QB that brings a similar psychological effect on opponents.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, do you agree with that premise? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: one thousand percent. I mean you hear the sidelines of man,
Speaker 1: that's Tom Brady over there.
Speaker 5: I remember Mohammed Sanu, you know, talking about with somebody
Speaker 5: on the sideline of Super Bowl fifty one. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean you got to earn it. And I think
Speaker 5: Tom Brady was we talk about all the time. He
Speaker 5: was never dead until the clock hit zero, and he
Speaker 5: was going to make a my bush.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: That was what the like the adjustment in the Super
Speaker 5: Bowl was where you're like looking at the scoreboard, You're like,
Speaker 5: well it isn't twenty eight to three, But we.
Speaker 1: Ain't got Tom Brady right now, you know.
Speaker 2: I Mean I've always thought that not only did Brady
Speaker 2: affect how players thought, he also affected how front offices thought,
Speaker 2: especially in the AFC East. And I think during his
Speaker 2: tenure they were so urgent in a panic to try
Speaker 2: to establish themselves that they made a lot of bad
Speaker 2: moves personnel wise, But for the right reasons.
Speaker 6: There's no sense of trying to like build a team
Speaker 6: that can't beat the best team in your division. Of course,
Speaker 6: so when you have a guy like Brady who puts
Speaker 6: that kind of a measuring stick, you need to try
Speaker 6: to match that or exceed it.
Speaker 1: And Fred's right.
Speaker 6: Time after time, the Dolphins and Jets, especially the Bills
Speaker 6: to a lesser extent, just failed to do it. They
Speaker 6: couldn't get anybody in there at all that made any sense.
Speaker 1: You know, Jets had a small window.
Speaker 6: You know Rex Ryan was and again going back to
Speaker 6: the original question of the email alert, like did Tom
Speaker 6: Brady have guys beat before they played? Well, there was
Speaker 6: one coach that wasn't affected by that, and it was
Speaker 6: Rex Ryan.
Speaker 1: That's true. He wasn't a sense. That's why they had
Speaker 1: a little, small, little window.
Speaker 6: Now, he wasn't a good enough coach to sustain it
Speaker 6: the way Belichick did for twenty years. But he wasn't
Speaker 6: afraid of Belichick. He respected him, but he wanted to
Speaker 6: beat with him. He wasn't beaten before the game started.
Speaker 2: Rex Ryan annoyed the hell out of me, but I
Speaker 2: have to admit it was great content.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, him calling all the season ticket
Speaker 2: holders in New Jersey to say.
Speaker 1: Come out and make a lot of noise.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, when you think of that twenty years
Speaker 5: of that run with Brady, that's the only time the
Speaker 5: AFC really kind of it's the East felt kind of interesting,
Speaker 5: you know. The other ones, It's like Paul rattled them off.
Speaker 5: I mean some of the coaches. I always thought that.
Speaker 3: Those like early two thousands Dolphins teams had a chance,
Speaker 3: but they never found the quarterback like Ricky Willie. J
Speaker 3: Fiedler was Dolphins, like those teams had talent and has
Speaker 3: never found the quarterback that could compete.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the combination of Dave Wantstead and Jay Fiedler just
Speaker 6: really I'm just I'm being.
Speaker 1: Honest, Like they were good. It's right, that was a
Speaker 1: good team. They just weren't good enough.
Speaker 3: I feel like we've revisioned his history of that team
Speaker 3: because they had that was.
Speaker 1: A good team that always fell short in a big game.
Speaker 2: I'll give you I'll give you an example of psychological
Speaker 2: effect hurting the Patriots. So back when Ryan was the
Speaker 2: head coach of the Jets and he had that call
Speaker 2: out to his fans to make a lot of noise,
Speaker 2: the Patriots overthought that game to the point where they
Speaker 2: came out with what they called grease boards. They were
Speaker 2: little whiteboards, and they weren't gonna, you know, use verbal signals.
Speaker 1: They were gonna write them on these little grease boards.
Speaker 2: And as soon as I saw that, I said, we're
Speaker 2: gonna lose this game because we're overthinking. I mean, they're
Speaker 2: not gonna be any louder than the loudest you've ever
Speaker 2: seen in a stadium.
Speaker 1: So just don't go out of your normal practices. Stick
Speaker 1: with it. And they lost the.
Speaker 6: Game, and Isaiah stand back taking significant reps in that game. Offensively,
Speaker 6: we were short handed a little bit too well. I
Speaker 6: think Welcome missed that game and Edelman had a good game,
Speaker 6: if I recall, but that was it was one of
Speaker 6: those games like sixteen to nine.
Speaker 2: But the grease boards and they never brought him back.
Speaker 2: You never saw you never saw grease boards use a game.
Speaker 2: I mean, that was the one time I got a
Speaker 2: question for you guys.
Speaker 4: You talk about Tom Brady and that shred running the dynasty.
Speaker 4: If you're a team in the AFC East, you have
Speaker 4: to you have no choice but to try to stack
Speaker 4: up obviously, unless you're tanking, which a lot of them
Speaker 4: failed to do most years. Do you feel that way
Speaker 4: about Josh Allen right now? Have you the past couple
Speaker 4: of years with the way he's thought about around the league.
Speaker 1: Does he have that effect or are you not as
Speaker 1: worried I do?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, Mahomes, Like in the AFC, in particularly,
Speaker 6: you have all these quarterbacks Mahomes, Allen, Jackson. If you
Speaker 6: can't compete Borrow, if you can't compete with those guys offensively,
Speaker 6: you can't win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, unless.
Speaker 6: You can develop a defense that can shut those guys down,
Speaker 6: which I haven't really seen.
Speaker 1: I think the difference between Josh Allen and Brady though,
Speaker 1: is not on Brady's level, let's not get ridiculous, but
Speaker 1: in terms of the psychological effect.
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, you were worried about his physical tools, like
Speaker 2: him getting out of the pocket and extending plays and
Speaker 2: things like that. Brady, you're more worried about him figuring
Speaker 2: out what you're doing and picking you apart.
Speaker 1: Yep, you know a little bit different.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, if we didn't have Drake May
Speaker 2: right now, I mean, Josh Allen would be enemy number one,
Speaker 2: you know, He's he'd be the reason why we can't
Speaker 2: compete in the a f C East.
Speaker 1: But now we've got a quarters reason for five years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: last year key Beatlem. Now we've got our quarterback.
Speaker 3: I would agree with Paul, though I don't think it's
Speaker 3: just Josh Allen. I think it's the collection of quarterbacks
Speaker 3: in the A.
Speaker 5: They're also different, right, Like it's just you know, Brady
Speaker 5: and Manning were you know, kind of similar styles. But
Speaker 5: I don't know, it's it's just just to focus on
Speaker 5: Josh Allen's tough because what about Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 3: Do you know, like on this feeling they're going to
Speaker 3: make it through the AFC tournament if you don't have
Speaker 3: an elite quarterback because you're going to play an elite
Speaker 3: quarterback at some point. You're going to play even last
Speaker 3: year even though they played didn't play super League, Like Justin.
Speaker 7: Herbert is a really good quarterback. Justin Herbert and you
Speaker 7: have Lamar and you have.
Speaker 2: Allen Mirabel the best part of this right here, we're
Speaker 2: going to get hurt of it if gay back is
Speaker 2: at all less than one hundred.
Speaker 1: Rabel is laying hands right now, so he's going to
Speaker 1: be fine.
Speaker 3: Right If I'm a Patrios fan, though not to go
Speaker 3: all like like fanboy, but like doesn't this is awes,
Speaker 3: Like this is what you want to see you drafted
Speaker 3: this like raw physical specimen at outside linebacker. That's a
Speaker 3: Patriot Hall of Famer, your head coach. Now he's you know,
Speaker 3: got hands on him. As Paul's likes to say, and
Speaker 3: like you, Akus is, things that he needs to work
Speaker 3: on are coachable. They are coachable.
Speaker 1: We talked about this yesterday. I thought you made a
Speaker 1: good point on this. Ready.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the advantage that Akis has is Rabel was exactly
Speaker 2: where Akus is right now, second round pick, you know,
Speaker 2: trying to catch on uh. Akus might actually get more
Speaker 2: play than Rabel did when he was with Pittsburgh with
Speaker 2: the with the ones. But but this is he Rabel's
Speaker 2: been there. He can relate and and the stuff that
Speaker 2: he has to say to Akis is going to resonate.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean I think, I mean, I'm amazed with
Speaker 5: Mike Frable's ability to coach the whole team. I mean,
Speaker 5: he seems to, you know, have experience with every position group.
Speaker 5: But this is his bread and butter. I mean, this
Speaker 5: is what he did. What I'm sure you know, I
Speaker 5: think we all if you play a sport, you're there's
Speaker 5: always a special like I like a lefty defenseman in
Speaker 5: hockey always got a special place in my heart.
Speaker 1: That's what I played. U outside linebackers, set in the edge.
Speaker 5: These are all things that Mike made Mike Rabel a
Speaker 5: Hall of Famer, so hopefully ReBs off.
Speaker 4: What helps a guy like this too, is when you're
Speaker 4: behind you, you missed a ton of the summer.
Speaker 1: You relate to camp.
Speaker 4: When you have a head coach that's invested in you,
Speaker 4: showing he's invested in you, trying to make you better.
Speaker 1: Catch up to speed.
Speaker 4: I feel like there's probably a lot of uncertainty when
Speaker 4: you come in like that, you probably feel behind the
Speaker 4: eight ball. When you have a head coach doing that
Speaker 4: with you, you probably feel right at home.
Speaker 2: We loved it when Belichick used to do it with players.
Speaker 2: You know, now he didn't have the playing experience that
Speaker 2: that Vrabel had, but when he would go one on one,
Speaker 2: we would you know, oh, look.
Speaker 1: At Belichick, he's one on one with a receiver.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys did used to do that. I do agree.
Speaker 1: I do agree that Fred Mike Rabel does it.
Speaker 6: And that's why I thought the point that Fred made yesterday,
Speaker 6: it is a very similar situation.
Speaker 1: I think Mike is bigger than Accis.
Speaker 6: And the problem Forrabel had in Pittsburgh, which is kind
Speaker 6: of overblown now because he was such a good Patriot,
Speaker 6: Like he was behind guys that were like borderline Hall
Speaker 6: of famers. I mean that they had a stacked like
Speaker 6: the Bill Cowerd defenses of the late nineties where no joke,
Speaker 6: you know, and Greg Lloyd and those guys like they
Speaker 6: were pretty good. So it was not like they just
Speaker 6: they had this guy and they didn't know what he was.
Speaker 6: You know, he was a situational player on defense and
Speaker 6: a special teamer. And then he came to a team
Speaker 6: that didn't have Greg Lloyd in front of him and
Speaker 6: those kinds of guys, and he started and he became
Speaker 6: a really good player for the Patriots. That's what Accus
Speaker 6: is going to get, probably the opportunity to play more
Speaker 6: right away because he's trying to beat out Elijah Ponder, Kenny.
Speaker 1: Chesney's going to run some seven on seven's.
Speaker 5: Ready to cover somebody, you know with What's popped up
Speaker 5: to me though consistently on this camp is the Mike
Speaker 5: Rabel gave back as kind of relationship. And you know,
Speaker 5: I remember the players talking about how when acis finally
Speaker 5: arrived able having him get up and stead.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: We're seeing a lot of footage of him one on one.
Speaker 5: We you know, we heard him in the press conference
Speaker 5: yesterday talking about you know, Akus and his performance in
Speaker 5: the game or sorry, I guess that was probably Monday.
Speaker 1: Uh you know.
Speaker 5: So I just it seems to me that Mike Vrabel
Speaker 5: has a very clear eye on Gay Accus and knows
Speaker 5: how important he's going to be to this team, and
Speaker 5: he's giving him, you know, some tough love.
Speaker 2: I think if we're sitting here wondering where the pressure
Speaker 2: is gonna come from, you know, the coaches are too.
Speaker 5: So yeah, well that's what it speaks to me. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's that's exactly it. It's you know, we're gonna need
Speaker 5: this kid, and I got to be all over him,
Speaker 5: like as my dad likes to say, white on Rice
Speaker 5: every day, making sure that he's getting the details down. Uh,
Speaker 5: you know, And to Evan's point that, I think that's
Speaker 5: what it is. You know, it's the details that this kid,
Speaker 5: you know, needs to learn and have the game start
Speaker 5: to slow down.
Speaker 1: The owner with Kenny Chesney just earlier, Yeah you are,
Speaker 1: I know this.
Speaker 3: Is probably I overrate this a little bit, But like
Speaker 3: evaluating players in the trenches too, I do put a
Speaker 3: little bit of stock of Mike Rabel working them out.
Speaker 3: I think that they've had a little bit of success
Speaker 3: here and we'll see with Akis. But like having Rabel's
Speaker 3: playing experience and knowing what it feels like when a
Speaker 3: guy puts your hands on you, and knowing how strong
Speaker 3: that feels, and how an NFL player's like core and
Speaker 3: grip strength should be, and then being able to like
Speaker 3: pop check off those types of players in the draft
Speaker 3: process and things like that. I think that that is
Speaker 3: important and I think that that does help them in
Speaker 3: terms of drafting.
Speaker 4: While we're on the Mike Rabel effect, I want to
Speaker 4: bring up the running back room.
Speaker 1: If that's okay with you, guys.
Speaker 4: Got I think that that okay with you got so
Speaker 4: last year showed you that this is a place you
Speaker 4: can come if you're looking for a fresh start in
Speaker 4: this league. And Mike Rabel, if he's willing to give
Speaker 4: the opportunity, you can have that opportunity under Vrabel, A
Speaker 4: guy like Hassan Haskins, it makes me excited to see
Speaker 4: him potentially in that third running back role, a guy
Speaker 4: who is a great athlete. He was all big ten
Speaker 4: at Michigan, had a great college career, hasn't necessarily found
Speaker 4: his way in the NFL quite yet. Is that fair
Speaker 4: to assume that he's a guy who could you know,
Speaker 4: have the little Mike Rabel magic to him and having
Speaker 4: a role on this team this year.
Speaker 3: Well, he's I think he has a chance to make
Speaker 3: the team. But he was drafted by Rabel and Tennessee.
Speaker 3: So this is a guy that he has a lot
Speaker 3: of familiarity with and they drafted him in the fourth
Speaker 3: round and invested in him and it didn't really pan
Speaker 3: out with the Titans.
Speaker 7: So another one of those guys for.
Speaker 3: Rabel, and we got a slew of him now that
Speaker 3: are have connections to him from Tennessee. But he's the
Speaker 3: type of running back you know, downhill back, power back,
Speaker 3: special teams to add, you know, like those are the
Speaker 3: types of things that you're gonna make the team.
Speaker 7: As a third running back. That's how you're gonna make it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, and you talk about effects, you have
Speaker 2: to talk about Bill Belichick. You know, Mike Rabel grew
Speaker 2: up with Mike Bill Belichick as his coach and heard
Speaker 2: every preseason it's not about where you came from, It's
Speaker 2: about what you do once you're here. And I would
Speaker 2: imagine that hearing that every year from Bill Belichick kind
Speaker 2: of rupped off a little bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think it's good coaching, you know, it's
Speaker 5: just letting guys compete and not having any preconceived notions
Speaker 5: of how good or talented players are. I just say
Speaker 5: on Haskins, I think the kickoff returner spot is a
Speaker 5: great thing for him, Like that's a great spot for him.
Speaker 1: At the other side of the covering kids.
Speaker 6: I think he's a big physical player, and I think
Speaker 6: that lends itself to Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 1: I agree with And.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like he can you don't really care
Speaker 5: if he gets hurt, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 5: he's kind of that like sacrificial guy, you know, you know,
Speaker 5: just you get him late in camp, but it looks
Speaker 5: like he's got some ability, and you know, it gives
Speaker 5: you that peace of mind that you're not going to have.
Speaker 1: To stick gets hurt.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's not like a left handed defenseman that's
Speaker 6: not quite good enough for PP one, but maybe he's
Speaker 6: a fit for P twos.
Speaker 5: Right, No, but I you know, it's look, I think
Speaker 5: he's looked pretty good. I like, you know, it seems
Speaker 5: like he's got size and he's gotten hit in the
Speaker 5: backfield a couple of times and he spins out of it.
Speaker 5: But you know, just I don't know who was going
Speaker 5: to play that kickoff returner role, and it seems like
Speaker 5: he might be able to do it and give you,
Speaker 5: you know, just saving guys you don't have to worry about.
Speaker 5: All right, we got to put Henderson out there or
Speaker 5: you know, I still like to see Kyle Williams in that.
Speaker 5: I don't know if he's got the sturdiness to handle
Speaker 5: kickoff returns, but I like it's.
Speaker 1: Sticking with special teams.
Speaker 2: Jeff and Virginia rights in are we small Sea or
Speaker 2: Big Sea?
Speaker 1: Concerned about Brendan's schooler not being out there yet? Small season? Yeah, yeah, small.
Speaker 7: I thought we were going both.
Speaker 2: Small because it's special teams, are small Sea because it's
Speaker 2: Brenton schooler.
Speaker 6: Not because it's Brendon's schooler. Yeah, Like that's no disrespect.
Speaker 6: I just want to clarify special teams.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I think he'll be back, but he
Speaker 5: is the leader of the special teams, right, Yeah, he's
Speaker 5: a very good player on special teams. I think they
Speaker 5: are better team with him and I I just I
Speaker 5: don't think it's going to be a season long thing.
Speaker 5: I mean we we've caught glimpses of them here and there,
Speaker 5: so I think he'll be back sooner.
Speaker 7: Come the Eagles.
Speaker 1: Here come the Eagles. Okay, like stormtroopers and.
Speaker 5: They all white Thunderdome. Welcome to Thunderdome. Yeah, is that
Speaker 5: from Green Bay? That was that was cool?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know that's a that's a public enemy,
Speaker 1: sung Paul. I know what, So didn't you say it?
Speaker 1: Because the Green Bank was like coming out terd Is
Speaker 1: it Minnesota?
Speaker 2: And again sticking with special teams? How was Bora Gallis's
Speaker 2: day yesterday?
Speaker 1: Good? Good ending?
Speaker 5: I mean hit two fifty plus they missed one, yeah,
Speaker 5: Dot a couple a couple missed one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but he did make the two at the end
Speaker 6: of the.
Speaker 1: Long ones.
Speaker 7: He's missing. He keeps hooking it.
Speaker 3: He's missing right to left consistently right, which I think
Speaker 3: is in some ways, in a weird way, kind of
Speaker 3: encouraging because it's clearly something mechanical that like once he
Speaker 3: gets centered again, like he'll probably be fine, It's not
Speaker 3: like he doesn't have enough leg or anything like that.
Speaker 3: It's like he keeps me missing marginally wide left. So
Speaker 3: obviously I think he, you know, is swinging maybe too
Speaker 3: hard and he's.
Speaker 7: Just kind of yanking the ball. I don't know what
Speaker 7: it is. I I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, there are some kickers that do that on purpose.
Speaker 2: They like to use a little bit of spin draw
Speaker 2: to kind of.
Speaker 5: Control it at calling your golf game, right, recollect to
Speaker 5: call it a power fade.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's it is interesting that all three of
Speaker 3: the kicks in the preseason game and the two kicks
Speaker 3: that were that were ify yesterday wide left, all five
Speaker 3: of them wide left. So it's obviously a mechanical thing
Speaker 3: that he's got to figure out.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 6: I will say that the kicks look better like the
Speaker 6: ones in the game. We're not, you know, well struck.
Speaker 6: They were going sideways. A couple of them mishits exactly.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: Since they've been back to practice and Rabel talked about
Speaker 6: the operation being back together with Ashby back in uniform,
Speaker 6: maybe that did have a little impact on him.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: It's it's such a tenuous thing with with kickers, and
Speaker 6: it is you know, you guys are.
Speaker 1: Talking about golf game. It is kind of like golf.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that swing can be very tenuous and something
Speaker 6: as minor you you think, as the long snapper, being
Speaker 6: different does kind of get in a guy's head.
Speaker 1: Sometimes. I think he's looked more normal in practice since
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 3: I agree with that. That's why I brought up the
Speaker 3: swing of his leg. And maybe he's like over kicking
Speaker 3: the ball and that's why the ball is hooking because
Speaker 3: like that, I think it's a lot more I guess,
Speaker 3: like reassuring that it's the same miss every time, like
Speaker 3: if he was spraying the ball all over the place.
Speaker 3: I agree, you know, justin Rorosser's style, you'd be like, oh,
Speaker 3: but the fact that it's the same kind of miss
Speaker 3: hit the.
Speaker 1: Bullet a couple of times. I think that's a mechanical thing.
Speaker 4: So they get right to it. Huh A J Brown
Speaker 4: with a one on one touchdown catch.
Speaker 2: We're doing, we're doing. Maybe we can zoom out a
Speaker 2: little bit and see it, uh?
Speaker 1: Or can we not? We're allowed to film this period.
Speaker 4: So it strike touchdown Hunter Henry with a win right there?
Speaker 1: Okay, Jack, you can be our eyes perfect okay.
Speaker 5: Just only good stuff though, please, there we go, there
Speaker 5: we go.
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it seems like we're not to marry a
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas pop already. Yeah's have speed.
Speaker 5: Yep, that doesn't all the excitement from the crowd though,
Speaker 5: that this might as well be a real game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you guys, what you guys are
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 4: Yes, shows this is an offensive drill, just like one
Speaker 4: on ones, just like one on ones in the trenches
Speaker 4: are defensive drill. This is absolutely you want to see
Speaker 4: your offense winning this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it.
Speaker 5: It's I mean, obviously they're they're close to the end
Speaker 5: zone now, so probably a theme of red zone today.
Speaker 1: Thinks are gonna be tighter.
Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be a good challenge, you know,
Speaker 5: for Drake and the offense to really be tight on
Speaker 5: their operation sticking the ball into some tight holes.
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be a little bit more difficult today.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm really getting excited about him. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: as a pass catcher obviously, but he's he's performed, he's performed, so.
Speaker 5: I just wonder what's gonna look like when you get
Speaker 5: to the regar season. Of course, you know, how much
Speaker 5: are they gonna feel comfortable putting them out there, But if.
Speaker 2: They don't do it when they're puppies, they won't do
Speaker 2: it when they're done. So you got to do it
Speaker 2: in camp too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Jalen pultated in camp too.
Speaker 5: So that was one of the lessons I've learned over
Speaker 5: the years of you know, a guy can have a
Speaker 5: great camp and catch a bunch of.
Speaker 1: Balls and it's not to be.
Speaker 5: But look, all you can ask the kid is to
Speaker 5: keep showing up and making plays. And you know, I
Speaker 5: don't think it's been perfect, but he's certainly not on
Speaker 5: the sideliness, hurt or any of those kind of things
Speaker 5: that you know, set these guys back and they're never
Speaker 5: able to get on track if you're out here every day.
Speaker 1: It's just it's positive that he can stack some of
Speaker 1: these things.
Speaker 5: And yeah, we'll see where he's at once the regular
Speaker 5: season gets here.
Speaker 6: Going back to that, you know that little interaction we
Speaker 6: saw with Rabel and Acus, you know earlier when our
Speaker 6: cameras picked up Vrabel and Rarit, it was was talking
Speaker 6: to him for a little bit, so you know, obviously
Speaker 6: a little extra time for the draft class, you know,
Speaker 6: the rookies. I understand that Mike Vrabel has to worry
Speaker 6: about ninety one guys out there, but you know that
Speaker 6: he's thinking, Okay, these are guys that are really important,
Speaker 6: you know, spending a little extra time with them.
Speaker 1: I like to see that, and I do. I Fred.
Speaker 6: I've been high on Rared and since they drafted him,
Speaker 6: like Notlayers, I don't love that lie, but I like
Speaker 6: the skill set of the profile, like, you know, a
Speaker 6: sort of a big play, tight end kind of guy
Speaker 6: averaged as Evan says, over sixteen yards a catch, you know,
Speaker 6: or fourteen yards a catch, I forget which one.
Speaker 1: Last year at Notre Dame.
Speaker 6: I like that kind of of a skill set, and
Speaker 6: I think that if you can plug that in to
Speaker 6: Austin Hooper's catches last year, Austin Hooper made a number
Speaker 6: of memorable plays, even though we have later.
Speaker 1: I think that's all you're going to.
Speaker 6: Get out of I don't think you're going to get
Speaker 6: much more than that out of rarat it, but I
Speaker 6: think you might be thinking about them and if if
Speaker 6: he leaks out the backside and he's and he's open
Speaker 6: for one of those they missed one of these in
Speaker 6: the Super Bowl that I think could have been a
Speaker 6: big play, and Drake overthrew Hooper. He's going to be
Speaker 6: able to, I think, get down the sideline for bigger
Speaker 6: gains than than Hooper was k ve at that stage
Speaker 6: of his career.
Speaker 1: So I share your enthusiasm on rare it in Okay.
Speaker 5: The fun part to me too is having a J.
Speaker 5: Brown and Dobbs really starting to click. And what's it
Speaker 5: going to mean for these other receivers, you know, how
Speaker 5: much less coverage are they going to see? How much
Speaker 5: easier are things going to be, you know, for Pop Douglas,
Speaker 5: for maybe even Hunter Henry a little bit. But I
Speaker 5: think they'll key off Hunter Henry too, so maybe that
Speaker 5: opens up things for rarated.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for Pop Douglas this year.
Speaker 4: I think having those two weapons on the outside and
Speaker 4: Dobbs and Brown is gonna free him up in the middle.
Speaker 4: And I'm very and I feel like if it's not
Speaker 4: this year, or when is it gonna be for to
Speaker 4: Mario Douglas.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's a contract year for him. He's had
Speaker 5: a good camp, you know. I just I'll be interested
Speaker 5: to see how he does this year. How it translates
Speaker 5: to next year. I mean, I I mean, based on
Speaker 5: the camp, it's a guy that I would really consider
Speaker 5: trying to keep around. I think he's a good complimentary piece.
Speaker 5: You got aj Brown here, Hopefully he sticks around. You
Speaker 5: got a four year deal with Dobbs. You know, I'm
Speaker 5: having a button hook you here. Yeah, I'm gonna go
Speaker 5: all Freddy. I'm thinking a Julian Edelman.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, you give him a couple of years
Speaker 6: and all of a sudden year three year four, he's
Speaker 6: he to sort of step.
Speaker 1: In for Welker. Yeah, maybe that's after Chisholm. That's what
Speaker 1: Edelman did.
Speaker 6: You know, Maybe maybe next year, if you're not able
Speaker 6: to re sign Douglas, maybe you get the leap out
Speaker 6: of the.
Speaker 1: Only difference I would say between Edelman and Chisholm is more.
Speaker 6: Durable, well, but earlier in his career until right, I
Speaker 6: don't then found things.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think part of the story too, that with with
Speaker 5: with Pop Douglas is that I think we kind of
Speaker 5: had him miscast in our minds as that shifty slot
Speaker 5: short you know, whip routes underneath stuff, ditching guys, you know,
Speaker 5: and I we started to see last year they started
Speaker 5: put him down the field a little bit more.
Speaker 1: He can shake loose, he can make some explosive plays.
Speaker 1: And it's a question I.
Speaker 5: Want to ask Josh to just always to ask about,
Speaker 5: you know, how hard is for players to learn his
Speaker 5: system and adjust to what he does. How much does
Speaker 5: he adjust to the players? Is he learns them and
Speaker 5: their skill sets? And you know how does he then?
Speaker 1: You know A J.
Speaker 5: Brown said it yesterday that Josh is putting him making
Speaker 5: his job easier, putting him in position, you know, take
Speaker 5: advantage of matchups.
Speaker 1: When he starts to do that with Pop Douglas a
Speaker 1: little bit more, does you know does that open up
Speaker 1: him and make him more productive? Yeah? I think he
Speaker 1: did that Pop a little bit last year.
Speaker 7: I keep on going back to that play.
Speaker 3: He made against the Saints, you know, the big play
Speaker 3: down the field in New Orleans. You know, he had
Speaker 3: a month long stretch there whereas a dot Paul was like,
Speaker 3: well over twenty yards.
Speaker 1: That's average depth of tar.
Speaker 3: I appreciate thatated well over twenty yards in an attempt.
Speaker 3: They're throwing a bombs away down the field to him.
Speaker 3: And I wrote about it and he said that, you
Speaker 3: know at Liberty. That's what he did. He was a
Speaker 3: double move, speed, slot down the field kind of player
Speaker 3: in college, and that's like kind of where he feels comfortable,
Speaker 3: and then the underneath stuff was something that he was
Speaker 3: adapting to.
Speaker 1: I think we've seen similar things with Romeo Dobbs.
Speaker 3: I think Romeo Dobbs had minor shifts in his route
Speaker 3: tree have gone on this summer too, where I think
Speaker 3: he's playing more on the outside and they're targeting in
Speaker 3: more on angular routes and not so much in the slot,
Speaker 3: and you know some of those creative digs routes that
Speaker 3: we saw last year. So I think that there's a
Speaker 3: lot of feeling out going on with all those guys.
Speaker 7: But there's no.
Speaker 3: Doubt that Pop is at his best when he's getting
Speaker 3: more vertical down the field and not the underneath stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if he doesn't take a leap, is that someone
Speaker 4: you're worried about walking or in the off season or well,
Speaker 4: if he doesn't take a leap, then no, yeah, right right,
Speaker 4: If he has a bad year.
Speaker 5: Then I want to Yeah, no, I mean, I I
Speaker 5: think it's you know, they got some decisions to make.
Speaker 5: I'd be interested to see what they do you know
Speaker 5: with Matt Collins. Yeah, you know as well in Kaishan Boody,
Speaker 5: is is he sticking around? I know there was no
Speaker 5: speculation yesterday, Jaden Higgins.
Speaker 1: There we go, there's there's a seventh round pick.
Speaker 5: Right, so we uh so maybe take the Will Anderson
Speaker 5: for Kayshan Boody in a six round pick?
Speaker 1: You know, like I do that. I consider that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: fifth reasonable? You know what the Patriots wouldn't. I feel
Speaker 1: very fifty million.
Speaker 3: I feel as though I want nothing to do with
Speaker 3: trading Kaishan Boody to an AFC contender. It might just
Speaker 3: be superstition of me. I get that, But the last
Speaker 3: thing that I want is a trade.
Speaker 6: Well, then you don't want to trade him because you
Speaker 6: think he's good and he's going to affect.
Speaker 3: I think he's good enough that I don't want to
Speaker 3: trade him to Houston. And then they're playing them in
Speaker 3: the divisional round and he's mossing somebody on the.
Speaker 7: Patriots, Like.
Speaker 3: I go send him out to San Francisco there everybody's
Speaker 3: dropping like flies over there, Like, send him, you know,
Speaker 3: out west somewhere.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I had my options, you know, a
Speaker 1: team that I'm not going.
Speaker 6: To play sure, but I just heard the lot. If
Speaker 6: I have someone that wants to give me something for him,
Speaker 6: I would give it. I would absolutely make it.
Speaker 7: I just heard.
Speaker 3: You know, now Houston's getting brought up, Kansas City has
Speaker 3: gotten brought up even like in the division to Buffalo. Like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: we're not helping any one of those teams.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, we're gonna be wrapping it up shortly.
Speaker 2: Final thoughts anyone.
Speaker 1: Excited for another? I mean this last day of training camp.
Speaker 5: I hope the Patriots can stack a second day have
Speaker 5: the same kind of performance, especially for the offense.
Speaker 1: Protect Drake. May he do that? I think think all
Speaker 1: the other problems are going to sort themselves out.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's a good, good bow that you just tied
Speaker 6: on that right there, Mike, Thank you.
Speaker 1: You should be that effective in the camp casts. I try.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't work for some reason, instead of letting
Speaker 1: Evan have to do all the work. Wow, I'm to shine.
Speaker 7: I know we got to go. But some one on
Speaker 7: one notes notes.
Speaker 1: I saw j Brown catching awful a lot of passes.
Speaker 3: I was not tracking that Will Campbell one and one
Speaker 3: against Jalen's hunt. Same as yesterday I had Caleb Lomu
Speaker 3: as one on one as well against a J. Eppen
Speaker 3: As a nice showing by Demetrius Crown over three and
Speaker 3: oh all three wins for him there as well. Jared
Speaker 3: Wilson looked good again, but Jalax Hunt's given Campbell a
Speaker 3: little bit of problem on the edge in these last
Speaker 3: two days.
Speaker 1: Brod.
Speaker 4: The word of the day is execution. I think with
Speaker 4: a day a full practice of film on tape. They
Speaker 4: watched it yesterday afternoon, they're making adjustments. I think the
Speaker 4: Patriots can come out today execute have a good practice.
Speaker 1: Should make you feel really good as a Patriot fan.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, listen, it's been fun day two of the
Speaker 2: joint practice. We're going to be saying goodbye, but you're
Speaker 2: gonna have the camp cast after after practice and as
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