1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 2: Today, I am joined by staff Sergeant Joey Jones. 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: Many of you know him from Fox News. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 2: But we're going to be talking about his upcoming book, 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: Beyond the Badge, Answering the Call to Serve on America's 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 2: home Front, and the book officially releases on June seventeenth. 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: Joey, thank you so much for coming on. 8 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for the interest. I really appreciate it. This 9 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 3: book is. It's exciting for me and hopefully it's enlightening 10 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 3: for a lot of other folks. So thanks for letting 11 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 3: me talk about it. 12 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: It really, I'm telling you, That's what I was saying 13 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: before we got on. It really is for me because 14 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 2: here in Michigan, we've had a lot of situations where 15 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: police have been under attacking. And I liked how you 16 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: started the book with your story about Colin Kaepernick, because 17 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: I was reading that and. 18 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh my gosh, this is so cool. 19 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: They actually spoke and I'm going to hear something really good, 20 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: and then you're like, no, he turned out to be 21 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: a total jerk. 22 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: So it just reinforced what we all thought. 23 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's you know, some times I feel like I 24 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 3: look back, and it's like, man, it's a little bit 25 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 3: Forrest Gump, like in my life, where I just end 26 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 3: up wrong place for wrong time, or connecting with someone 27 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: while something's going on. And with the old Colin Kaepernick thing, 28 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 3: you know, my buddy Nate Boyer connected us, and it 29 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 3: did feel very genuine. Nate was an army ranger and 30 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 3: after that he played for the Seattle Seahawks for a preseason, 31 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 3: not in the regular season, but he was at thirty 32 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 3: three years old, so he gained fame just by making 33 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 3: an NFL roster as a thirty four year old rookie. 34 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 3: And so Nate's a very open and honest guy. He's 35 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 3: not necessarily politically liberal, Conservatives just like people. And he 36 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 3: tried to bridge a gap and make something good out 37 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 3: of the kneeling and Colin kind of spit in her face. 38 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 3: And I brought that example up, not necessarily to talk 39 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 3: bad about Colin, but to say, hey, listen, I'm not 40 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: coming from this one sided. I'm just saying there's really 41 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: only one side. Oh. 42 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: It's so interesting because as I was reading that, I 43 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: think about comparing that to the political world, which you're 44 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: obviously a big part of as well, and we talk 45 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: about that all the time as we look at this 46 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: next cubernatorial race in Michigan, and what the battles are 47 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 2: on the ground here, which are the battles in many states, 48 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: and education and things that you would think as parents 49 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: we would all come together on. And I was just 50 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: talking the other day, I'm like, you know, there is 51 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: a part of me that things on certain issues we 52 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 2: could sit down with the other side. But I read 53 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 2: this and I was like, maybe I am being naive 54 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: about that. 55 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 3: You know, I talk about in that intro since you 56 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 3: brought it up, which is this book. Unlike my last book, 57 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 3: I probably spent more time on what the guys and 58 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 3: gal had to say and making sure their words were 59 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 3: accurate and their anecdotes made sense. Then I spent on 60 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 3: my own take because I didn't feel like my take 61 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: was as necessary as making sure they were presented. But 62 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 3: in the intro, one of the few places I get 63 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: to just pontificate in this book, I talk about how 64 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 3: there are two different narratives that happen, and this idea 65 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 3: of defund the police, which is what politicians said, and 66 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 3: then acab acab all copture bad or really what a 67 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: lot of people are saying all culture bastards. And in 68 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 3: doing my research and writing the book, what I learned 69 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 3: is that it was the exact same movement. It's just politicians, 70 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: in their spineless way, said oh, we're not going to 71 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 3: say all culture bassards. We're going to say defund the police. 72 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 3: We're going to kind of repackage this. So it became 73 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: the politically correct way of saying all cops are bad 74 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 3: or all copture bassaards. They were embracing that sentiment. And 75 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 3: you look no further than the riots in twenty twenty 76 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 3: and every time a police officer had to use their 77 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 3: weapon in the line of duty, the politicians that would 78 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 3: come out and call them a murderer because the person 79 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: they shot was a person of color. And so you really, 80 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: what you learn is that politicians are what they are. They, 81 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 3: or at least some they latch onto the worst of 82 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 3: us that we get excited and passionate about, and they 83 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: use that to manipulate our emotions or allow us to 84 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: become the worst versions of ourselves. And that's happened in 85 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: this movement, this idea that police officers are somehow terrible people. 86 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 3: It's you know, if I can turn that into your enemy, 87 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 3: then you're not looking at me anymore. And that's really 88 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 3: what it became. 89 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: And it's so personal because that movement was and I 90 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: think it still exists. That movement is kind of they 91 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: paint police as this as not people you know, as 92 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: a unit on and of itself, but this book brings 93 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: you to the actual life and the day in and 94 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: day out of these people, so you can humanize what 95 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 2: these jobs are. And just last week, I actually had 96 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: the honor of presenting a couple of police Officer of 97 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: the Year awards here in the state of Michigan, and 98 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: you get to read their story. There's a significant moment 99 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: in the year that something happens, and you get to 100 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 2: read their story aloud to the entire group and then 101 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: present them the awards. So I had two different stories 102 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: with multiple officers involved, and the stories are so powerful 103 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: and when I read them, I think to myself, I 104 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: couldn't do this. I couldn't have run into this burning building. 105 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: And the one was a police officer with no gear, 106 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: not trained as a firefighter, who ran into a burning 107 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: building and brings a child out, but in the process, 108 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 2: two other children don't make it out. 109 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: And you take that home. 110 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: And there are stories like that in this book that 111 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: I think that is what people need to read, because 112 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: the one thing that I came out of this awards 113 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: ceremony with from the director of the Police Officers Association 114 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: was our police officers still feel abandoned. 115 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 3: No, absolutely, when you read this book, number one, it's 116 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 3: not all police officers. It starts with two firemen that 117 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 3: are really close to me, my brother in law, and 118 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 3: then a guy that was I've known since I'm three 119 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: years old. He's like an uncle to me, and they 120 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 3: happen to work at the same department together. That's not 121 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 3: why they that's not a why the three of us 122 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: know each other. It's just to come from a small town. 123 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 3: But in those first two chapters you have my friend 124 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: Clay Hendrick, who is a country as the term green 125 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 3: is hopefully that translates in Michigan, you understand what that means, 126 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 3: really country. Really it talks with a thick accent, didn't 127 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 3: go to college, but incredibly smart guy. And then my 128 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 3: brother in law, Keith, is kind of the opposite of 129 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 3: that from this area. His his dad's well educated, he's 130 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: well educated, had went to the University of Georgia got 131 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: a business degree, came back and told his dad that's 132 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 3: a you know, self made millionaire. Hey, I appreciate the education, 133 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 3: but I'm going to go be a fireman. And the 134 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 3: point there is that these are two people. One person 135 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 3: might see it as an opportunity in life, the other 136 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: one sees it as a mission in life. But they 137 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 3: kind of come together to do the same thing for 138 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 3: a period of time, and they come from very different places. 139 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 3: They're very different, you know, experiences in the same place. 140 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 3: And I really wanted that juxtaposition to shine. And what 141 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 3: happened was when you write a book like this and 142 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 3: you interview people, what you want to happen, isn't this 143 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 3: what happens? And what really shined was how they went 144 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: through this experience of my brother in law talks about 145 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 3: going into a burning house at a young age, early 146 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 3: on in a fire department, trying to save two kids. 147 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: Couldn't find them. They've crawled up and under a pile 148 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: of stuffed animals to hide, didn't find them. They perished. 149 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 3: And then Clay talks about very first time on incident, 150 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: the very first time young kid is killed in the 151 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: car crash and having to see the parents, and what 152 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: you learn is it doesn't matter where you come from 153 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 3: or what your experiences are, that raw human emotion is there, 154 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: and some people can deal with it and some people can't. 155 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: And they're two people that can. I don't know that 156 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 3: I could. I mean from the time I had my 157 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 3: daughter on, reading the news on Fox and Friends and 158 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: learning about a little kid that was injured or mistreated 159 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 3: just hit so much harder. And so to know that 160 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: we have people out there that can go do this 161 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 3: and then come back to their own kids, take them 162 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 3: to school through that same intersection that they just saw 163 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 3: a kid die in and go home at night and 164 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 3: give their family a smile and a happy day. Man. 165 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 3: It's you know, we use the term hero a lot 166 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: and superhero, and it's like, I feel like that's a superability. 167 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: It's not something I know that I could do. And 168 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 3: to know that two people really close to me in 169 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: my life do it every day. I've known these men 170 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 3: for twenty thirty years. I didn't know these stories. And 171 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 3: to know that you don't have to go to LA 172 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 3: or New York, or Houston or Detroit to find these stories. 173 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: It's not Chicago fire, It's Dalton Georgia Fire Department, and 174 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 3: here are two guys that have these stories. It's a 175 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 3: common denominator. It's a thread that sews every community in 176 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: this country together. 177 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: And that these tragedies are happening all the time and 178 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 2: we don't know, but they pile up. I mean, I 179 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: think it was your friend Clay who said that when 180 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: he saw the child, after he saw the child he 181 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: hit by a truck, felt like, I. 182 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: Don't know if I can do this job. 183 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 2: In almost the sense that I got from that moment 184 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: was there was a little bit of shame, and he 185 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 2: went to his boss and was like, you know, I 186 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: just don't know if I can do this, And that 187 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: was so human. There was so much vulnerability in the book, 188 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: which I thought was beautiful because it's the stuff we 189 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: don't get to see. We see first responders and we think, 190 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: just what you said, I don't think I could do that. 191 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: You know, there's something special about them, and I do 192 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: think there's something special, And sometimes because of that we think, oh, 193 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: they're all right because they deal with it differently. 194 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: But the vulnerability of. 195 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 2: Him going back and calling his wife and saying, I 196 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: just need to hear the kids' voices. I was in 197 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: tears when I read that, because I thought, this is 198 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: just one day. 199 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: You know, I'm going to talk myself into a circle here. 200 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 3: But you ring up a great point, which is I 201 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 3: sit here and say it's almost this superhero ability. The 202 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 3: truth is they don't have the ability to do it 203 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 3: any more than you or I. They just believe that 204 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: their mission is more important than their own peace of mind. 205 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: If there's anything superhuman about him, it's that it affects 206 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 3: them just the same. Some people obviously get affected worse 207 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: than others things like that, but it's not that they're unaffected. 208 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: It's that they believe that that job and the service 209 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 3: they provide and the lives they do save and the 210 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 3: people they can sol And there's a game Boarden who 211 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: was search and rescue, is on the dive team. He 212 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 3: believed in his story that it was worth hypothermia to 213 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 3: retrieve a body of a young girl for her mother 214 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 3: before I think it was Thanksgiving, her Christmas, before the 215 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 3: next major holiday, because his chief had made her a promise, 216 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 3: We're going to find your daughter before the New Year 217 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 3: or whatever it was. And so he goes and he 218 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 3: dies to find this girl, and he finally does and 219 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 3: as he does, they get him on shore and he 220 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 3: blacks out and he wakes up in the hospital. So 221 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 3: it's like it's the kind of thing that you know, 222 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 3: he was willing to risk his own life, not to 223 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 3: save a life, but to bring closure. And it's like 224 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 3: this idea that they're not infalluable, that they can die 225 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 3: in cold water just like you and I can. They 226 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 3: can have the mental and emotional trust just like you 227 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 3: and I can. They just believe it's worth it, the 228 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 3: sacrifice is worth it, that the risk is worth it. 229 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 3: And if there's anything special, I think the first chapter 230 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 3: is an ordinary guy and extraordinary circumstance and man that 231 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 3: just really ties a bote on all of it, because 232 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 3: that's who these people are. 233 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: And their families as well. 234 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: I think that's also key is that his wife heard 235 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 2: in his voice when he called there's something different. I'll 236 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: just sit here in silence with him on the phone. 237 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: And to me, that was so powerful. And then Sheriff 238 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: Lamb was also a similar story of his family understanding. 239 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: I mean, my goodness, when I read about him working 240 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: two jobs. He's working as a police officer and I 241 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: think pest control. 242 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: Too, and he is lee I mean, you are away 243 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: from your family so much. 244 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: And his wife, God bless her, because I don't know 245 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 2: that I looked at it even that and I'm like, 246 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: would I be that understanding? He's like, don't come to 247 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 2: me with the minuscule things, because I'm like, there are 248 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: times when I'm like, and then they did this, and 249 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 2: they did this. 250 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: You know, as a mom, you just like you want 251 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: to unload and you want someone else. 252 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: You want dad to come in and hear the horrible 253 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 2: things of the day. But this understanding of what he 254 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: is doing is a mission and it is bigger than 255 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 2: those small moments of so and so poked the other 256 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: kid's eye, you know, like all the things that happened 257 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: during the day. 258 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: This is so much bigger. 259 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. Mark Lamb's story is really unique. I mean he 260 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 3: became a is now essentially, especially on the right, a 261 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 3: famous law enforcement figure because of he understood the pr 262 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 3: side of being a sheriff. What he really gets into 263 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 3: that I love and I think is a great educational 264 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 3: opportunity is like the constitutionality of a sheriff and hall 265 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 3: a sheriff has the juggle that responsibility of enacting walls 266 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: that he believes are unconstitutional in the will of the 267 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 3: people he serves. And by becoming this kind of forward 268 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 3: facing sheriff, someone that has social media, then he becomes 269 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 3: accessible to his community. So it's a little of vulnerability 270 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 3: in a sense because you can't just say, oh, I 271 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 3: didn't know about that, or I didn't hear you, because 272 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: now you can go on my social media page and 273 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 3: tell me about your grievance. And so it really is 274 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 3: it's so much more work to do that. It's not 275 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 3: about self aggrandization. It's about making sure everyone in your 276 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 3: community knows you are accessible to them. And when you 277 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: do that, then you have to hear all the things 278 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 3: that they want to change. And instead of him being 279 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 3: overwhelmed by that or coming up with excuses, he listened. 280 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 3: And wow, you know what a what a person an 281 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 3: elected official that listens. And so every person in the book, 282 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 3: whether it's the border patrol, search and rescue, game board 283 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 3: and fireman, police officers, bomb squad, every person in the 284 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 3: book has a story or two of trauma, of experiencing 285 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 3: something that you hope nobody ever has the experience. And 286 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 3: the anecdote I use is, you know, the worst day 287 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 3: in our lives, like in the book, when I talk 288 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: about losing my dad the worst day in our lives, 289 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: there's just another day on the job. For them, it's 290 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 3: just another day. But then also, every person in the book, 291 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: without prompt offers some sort of wisdom or insight or 292 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 3: actionable idea that has helped them and may help the 293 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 3: person reading the book to get through that trauma or 294 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: that difficult time, or that difficult job, those difficult hours. 295 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 3: And I think it's really unique, or not unique, but 296 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: really amazing that this really is something that we don't 297 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 3: think about a lot, is so common among them. It's 298 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 3: just this unique idea that I guess the best way 299 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: to explain it is as a veteran for more than 300 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 3: twenty years, I've watched my country have this conversation and 301 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 3: lead to programs and everything from a free mail at 302 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 3: Applebe's on Veterans Day to the Department of Veterans Affairs 303 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 3: looking at psychedelics, the treatmental health. Like we've gone that 304 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 3: far with our appreciation and understanding for the military, what 305 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 3: they go through and what they may need as far 306 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 3: as mental health. And then we look at our first 307 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 3: responders who never come home from war because they go 308 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 3: through their battlefield every day, and we have nothing. We 309 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 3: don't acknowledge it, don't program for it, we don't. Very 310 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 3: few charitable organizations and efforts exist. So how do they 311 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 3: do it? They do it at the grassroots level. They 312 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: do it in the fire hall, at the precinct, on 313 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 3: the SWAT team, having conversations with each other because there's 314 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 3: still a stigma in their community. You're going to take 315 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 3: me off the street if I go talk to the 316 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 3: We called it wizard, I don't know what each of 317 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 3: them calls it, but the psychologists like, are you not 318 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 3: going to let me carry a gun? Now? You know 319 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 3: it's it's a legitimate concern, Like I feel sane, but 320 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 3: these things bother me. And if I just talk to 321 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 3: you about these things, are you going to take my 322 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 3: ability to do my job with And so they just 323 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 3: talk to each other, they have conversations. Clay Hedrick gets 324 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 3: into it in the first books, like he said, listen, 325 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: what helped me more neything was talking to somebody else 326 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 3: about what they had going on. And it's this idea 327 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 3: that you talk about humbling makes me never want to 328 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 3: complain as a veteran again, which I try not to anyway, 329 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 3: you know, we probably have it better than any group 330 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: of veterans in this world, and we're living beside a 331 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 3: fireman or a police officer has seen equally as traumatic 332 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 3: things and has none of the resources available we have. 333 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 3: We're saying we should have more. 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We've got more with Joey Jones after this. 359 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 2: We don't think about it as going to war every day, 360 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 2: but they really are going into battle every single day. 361 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: And it's interesting because. 362 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 2: Like I said, when I was at the Police Officers 363 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 2: Association event last week, the director was saying to me, 364 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: in since twenty I think twenty three, twenty four to 365 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 2: twenty into twenty five, now they are seeing more attacks 366 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 2: on police officers than they've ever seen. It's like an 367 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 2: increase of seventy five percent that they are seeing people 368 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: fight back and fight the cops. 369 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: And I said, why do you think that is? 370 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: And he said, I think that because they've seen all 371 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: of these people come in illegally and get away with 372 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 2: what they're doing. They feel empowered to go after these guys. 373 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: And he said, to be. 374 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: Honest, Suitor, those are only the ones we know about, 375 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: because he's like, guys aren't coming back to the office 376 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 2: and saying, hey, I got my butt kicked today. He's like, 377 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: we don't really tell people that. And I'm that is 378 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: also something that you're taking home with you. You are 379 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 2: at war every single day. 380 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 3: That was the picture I tried to paint, the picture 381 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 3: that was painted for me, not in direct words, because 382 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 3: none of these guys and Caitlin, the female in the book, 383 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 3: and none of them would ever sit around and complain 384 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 3: or it's just it's so antithetical to who they are. 385 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 3: Number One, they look at guys like us. I mean, 386 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 3: obviously I've got the prosthetic legs, but I know the 387 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 3: majority of people in this book because I do these 388 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 3: hunts where I take a group of my veteran friends 389 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 3: and a group of first responders and we go on 390 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 3: a hunt and we sit around a camp fire and talk. 391 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 3: And that's what really inspired this book. And so not 392 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 3: to I guess lose my train of thought there for 393 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: a minute, because I'm thinking about hunting for a second. 394 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 3: You see the duck over my head here. But the 395 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 3: inspiration of this book came from this idea that here's 396 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,959 Speaker 3: my brother in law sitting beside me. I've known him 397 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 3: for thirty years. Literally we're family now. He grew up 398 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 3: two miles down the road from me, technically different communities, 399 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 3: but same area. I know where he works. I know 400 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: the road that he got on to go to work 401 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 3: every day because that's the one I took the high 402 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 3: school every day. And to hear him tell these stories 403 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 3: of what he's experienced, and that was the first time 404 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 3: it clicked in my head that, you know, his battlefield 405 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 3: where he goes to war to save somebody's life, is 406 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 3: the most safe place in the world to me. You 407 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 3: can pluck me out of Hawaii, Japan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Kurrgystan, 408 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 3: wherever I was at, and if they said put you 409 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: somewhere that you feel safe, anywhere in Dalton, Georgia, that's 410 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 3: where I'm from. I know where I'm at. And to 411 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 3: think that the same place that is the safest place 412 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 3: in the world for me is where he sees the 413 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 3: worst happen to us and sees us do the worst 414 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 3: to ourselves. That just really kind of rocked my world 415 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 3: a little bit. And what it showed me was the 416 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: sense of entitle that we walk around with as Americans. 417 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 3: We don't worry about if I have a car wreck, 418 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 3: somebody's going to be there. If my kid is injured, 419 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 3: somebody's going to be there. If if I drop my 420 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 3: kid off at school, there's an RS or a school 421 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 3: Resource officer, an SRO there, and it's going to take 422 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 3: care of my kids. We believe that and this idea 423 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 3: that these people exist in our communities. We go to 424 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 3: church with them, we see them at the supermarket, we 425 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 3: get mad at them in an intersection because they cut 426 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 3: us off in their civilian car. And it's like they're 427 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 3: the people we interact with positive and negative all day, 428 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 3: and they're also the same people that we just wake 429 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 3: up every morning believing will save our lives and save 430 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: our families lives, and save our house and save our business. 431 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: Run into a burning building. 432 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 2: I mean that to me is like you were saying earlier, 433 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: I don't know if I could do it. I mean, 434 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 2: I think in that moment, there's probably adrenaline if you 435 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 2: are in the moment hero. 436 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: But this is their life every day. 437 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: Every day it's a choice to get up and say 438 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: I will run into a burning building. 439 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: That's my job. 440 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: If it happens, I'm here and that and I think 441 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 2: that again, I will say, I think the thing that 442 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: struck me in this book is the piling up of 443 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: these stories, because you talked about losing your dad and 444 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 2: then I think it was just a few days later 445 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 2: when you saw the person from the fire department who 446 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: looked at you and said, you know what happened, it 447 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: was still with him. 448 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: That story. 449 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: What That's just another file in the file cabinet of 450 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 2: suffering that he has seen. And I have to imagine 451 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 2: that you take a bit of that into yourself every 452 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 2: single time. And I think that was kind of highlighted 453 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: in the book too. At a certain point, people went, 454 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: I need to talk to somebody, I need to say 455 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 2: it's okay, I need to get this off my chest. 456 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, take a step back when you talk 457 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: about running into a burning building. You're right. A lot 458 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 3: of people may, in a moment, with adrenaline, run into 459 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,239 Speaker 3: a burning building. That's being brave. It's brave when you're 460 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 3: nine years old and you've never been electric before to 461 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 3: stick a paper clip into a light socket, like you, 462 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 3: you're showing a little bit brave to do that, right, 463 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 3: once you've been bit, once you know the consequence, once 464 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 3: you know that it hurts, you're not going to do 465 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 3: it again. Well, if you're running into that burning building 466 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 3: and it does hurt, trust me, it hurts, and the 467 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 3: fears there and you see your buddy not make it 468 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,239 Speaker 3: back out, you're in a standoff and you see your 469 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 3: buddy gets shot because you're on the Baltimore County Squat 470 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 3: team like Tommy Wirl And so once you see somebody 471 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 3: get bit or you get bit, it takes courage to 472 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 3: keep doing it once you know the consequence. But you 473 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 3: continue to do it, that goes beyond bravery, that becomes courage. 474 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 3: Then it's a conscious decision. And that's what they all 475 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 3: have in common. And I make a little bit of 476 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 3: that point in there, but I think it's really important. 477 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 3: It's more than just running into the burning building. It's 478 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 3: knowing what you're going to see when you get there. 479 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 3: It's knowing what could happen to you while you're in 480 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 3: there and saying, man, it's just it has to be done. 481 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: I can identify in a sense as in eodtech, in 482 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 3: the sense of I knew what those bombs could do, 483 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 3: and I've seen it happen to others, and it nearly 484 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 3: happened to me until it did. But to do it 485 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 3: for people that I know I grew up with in 486 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 3: a building that I have an emotional attachment to and 487 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 3: an intersection I have to drive my kids through, it's 488 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 3: just a completely different level. And each each and every 489 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 3: person in this book, I guess I'm humbled by, almost 490 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 3: kind of disheartened by, but also it's a sense of 491 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 3: hope they found a way to deal with this on 492 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 3: their own. I hate that they had to. I hate 493 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 3: that there wasn't some major program and already figured out, 494 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 3: you know, multi PhD person that can say here's the 495 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 3: twelve steps to getting through this, but it's just not true. 496 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 3: And the thing that the same guy the same process 497 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 3: in Dalton, Georgia and LAPD like the same amount of 498 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 3: trauma for these two people and finding their way to 499 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 3: sanity and finding peace. I mean say in the book, 500 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 3: they give up their peace for us to have this 501 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 3: blissful ignorance of safety. I mean they give up their 502 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 3: own peace of mind. 503 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: I think that's I think that's what's cool about the 504 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 2: way it's written and you being the. 505 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: Author behind it all. 506 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 2: And I know you would say, well, they're the author 507 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 2: of their own story, but bringing these stories together from 508 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: your perspective, because I think a lot of us look 509 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 2: at you and go, this guy has seen things I 510 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 2: will never see and has done things for me that 511 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 2: I didn't deserve. 512 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: And I watch you walk up. 513 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 2: With prosthetic legs, and I know that you feel pain, 514 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 2: and that's something I don't think people really know that 515 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 2: it somebody in your situation. You feel pain every day. 516 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 2: It is painful to walk in a prosthetic. It is 517 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 2: painful to put that on people. 518 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: I know. 519 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 2: I've seen the comments on social media, and I thank 520 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 2: you for always fighting back because honestly, you fighting back 521 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: has taught me so much about what your story is. 522 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 2: And this now you are teaching me the story of 523 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: the first responders on the ground here in the United States, 524 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 2: which I think you've brought these veteran stories to me. 525 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: You brought your own story to me in a way 526 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: that has made it so much. 527 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 2: More real for me to understand what you guys go 528 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 2: through every day. And I think it's beautiful to have 529 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 2: you be the person to go, hey, let me bring 530 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: these American Home Front heroes to the page as well well. 531 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 3: I hope that there are non people in this book, 532 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 3: and I think five or six of them have known 533 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 3: for more than a decade, some of them multiple decades. 534 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 3: None of them are cold calls. They are all people 535 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 3: I knew personally before I decided to write this book. 536 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 3: And the reason why I wanted to have that fact 537 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 3: in there was when I sat down and pitched the 538 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 3: book to the publisher that like, oh, I know NYPD 539 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 3: and you know Oklahoma City, and there are these amazingly 540 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 3: terrible things that have happened and amazing stories from them. 541 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 3: But my point is I can write just as impactful 542 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 3: of a book with people from towns you've never heard of. 543 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 3: That that is the point is that you don't have 544 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 3: to be in New York or LA or in Oklahoma 545 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 3: City when the building is bombed to understand this or 546 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 3: to have a first responder in your life that's gone 547 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 3: through this. And I just hoped that I had enough 548 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 3: credibility that they would share with me and be vulnerable 549 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 3: with me and the audience that I presented it to 550 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,719 Speaker 3: in the book would say that last book was pretty good, 551 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 3: let me see this one. So that's that's my goal 552 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 3: in this is I had this amazing, amazing, enlightening experience 553 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 3: over the last four or five years since twenty twenty, 554 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 3: to go on these hunting trips. Talk to my buddy, 555 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 3: see a veteran, there's a special operations bon tech, talk 556 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 3: to a hometown fireman, and see those two guys have 557 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 3: more in common than I probably have in common with 558 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 3: either one of them. And to see how they became 559 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 3: vulnerable with each other and talked about these things, because 560 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 3: you know, if you don't talk about it, it just 561 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 3: bottles up insides. And they've learned, these first responders, probably 562 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: more so than we have, because there isn't this national 563 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 3: conversation where we feel heard. They don't have that. 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Stay tuned. 598 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: We'll be back right after this. 599 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 2: What would be so cool is to have this in schools, 600 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 2: to have high school kids read these stories and have 601 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 2: to talk about them, because I think, to your point, 602 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: it being a town I've never heard of is the 603 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 2: town I live in. It's a town no one's ever 604 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 2: heard of, you know, So it is my when I 605 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 2: read these stories. These are stories of people in my town. 606 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 2: I'm sure somebody could tell me the exact same thing. 607 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 3: This is it. 608 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 2: This has been how my life has been. And I 609 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 2: would love to see as we kind of combat this because, 610 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 2: like I said, the first responders here in Michigan will 611 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 2: tell me every day it has been so heart morales 612 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 2: down still, it has been so hard to get people 613 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 2: to answer the call to serve to get people to 614 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 2: come to the fire department, to get people to join 615 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 2: the police department. It has been such a challenge because 616 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 2: there is this undercurrent of hatred because the movement, the 617 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 2: movements that these radicals push they create, they're powerful and 618 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 2: they create long lasting effects if you can't beat them down. 619 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 2: That's the beauty of this book is that it does 620 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 2: beat those stories down because it is real people and 621 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 2: you cannot help but fall in love with the people 622 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 2: on these pages. And so I think it would be 623 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 2: fantastic to get this into high schools, to talk to 624 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 2: young people and say, look, these are the people that 625 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: put everything in their life on the line to make 626 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 2: sure you're safe. 627 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: That sense that you have of man. 628 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 2: Everyplace else in the world, I can see danger, and 629 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 2: right here I feel safe. And that was a powerful 630 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 2: statement to me that that's not safe for them. They 631 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 2: put themselves in danger every day. And I appreciate the 632 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: fact that you wrote this and you brought these stories together, 633 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 2: so thank you well. 634 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. I think like this on that idea 635 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 3: of feeling safe, and I always use the analogy that 636 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 3: when it comes to post traumatic stress, like how you 637 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 3: feel in a social environment when you come home from more. 638 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 3: The way I say positive about it was like looking 639 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 3: behind the curtain at the Wizard of Oz. Like, as 640 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 3: long as you believe in Wizard of Oz, anything can 641 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 3: happen and things are awesome. But the moment you find 642 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 3: out the Wizard is just a man moving things around, 643 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 3: things get real. It's like, oh, this is the real world. 644 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,239 Speaker 3: And so it's the same thing. Once you see a 645 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 3: benign environment turned deadly, then every benign environment after that 646 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 3: has the potential to be deadly. You've seen behind the curtain. 647 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 3: It's one thing to be in this combative environment that 648 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 3: makes it hard for me to go into bars and concerts. 649 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 3: It's another thing for the curtain that you live in 650 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 3: front of to be get a red light or walking 651 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 3: into a three story building. And when you're curtain, when 652 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 3: the benign environment that you know can turn deadly becomes 653 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 3: the restaurant you sit your family down to have dinner 654 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 3: on Friday night. The amount of just pure faith, I guess, 655 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 3: I don't know what. I don't know where they each 656 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 3: get it individually, but this idea that I don't know 657 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 3: that I'd ever leave the house with my kids anymore, 658 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 3: you know, And they still do and they still have 659 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 3: a full life now. Some of them hit rock bottom 660 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 3: during their career in a very suffering and silence way. 661 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 3: When I say rock bottom, like they hit a place 662 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 3: to where they can't find a smile and they can't 663 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 3: find happiness, and they all crawl back out of it 664 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 3: because that's just who they are, It's who we are 665 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 3: as Americans. It's a you know, for everything negative in 666 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 3: this book, it's also incredibly inspiring and uplifting. And my 667 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 3: point in talking about what I went through in war 668 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 3: or writing Unbroken Bonds of Battle or Behind the Badge 669 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 3: is so that every single person out there can read 670 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 3: these stories and say, you know what I can identify. 671 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 3: And I always when I do a public speaking I 672 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 3: always say, and I think all the guys in the 673 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 3: gallon this book would say the same. You look at 674 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 3: me and you have this reverence. And I appreciate that. 675 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 3: For me, it's because they got blown up. But I 676 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 3: look back at the audience and they look back at 677 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 3: the people they serve and it's like, look, you're going 678 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 3: through cancer, you've lost everything you own, you went through 679 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 3: a messy divorce, you've lost a child. Look how resilient 680 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 3: and strong you are, why wouldn't I be here for you? 681 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 3: And they all, every single one of them, believe in 682 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 3: the people they serve, and they love the people they serve. 683 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 3: And the people in this country are strong. 684 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: People, absolutely all right. 685 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 2: So we have to tell people where they get the book, 686 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: because I really would encourage people not only to read it. 687 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: But share these stories with your kids, because we have 688 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: a curse. 689 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 2: That came into this country that we have to break, 690 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: and that is this idea that these people there's something 691 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 2: that is nefarious about the people that go out to 692 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 2: fight for us and save us every day, and like 693 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 2: you said, they go to war every day. So it 694 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 2: is behind the badge answering the alse to serve on 695 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 2: America's home front. Where can people get. 696 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 3: It before June seventeenth? Go to Foxnewsbooks dot com and preorder. 697 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 3: You'll probably get it on June seventeenth. If you pre 698 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 3: order it after June seventeenth, pretty much ever where books 699 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 3: are sold Barnes and Noble Books, a million, Amazon, Foxnewsbooks 700 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 3: dot Com. But if you're going to pre order it, 701 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 3: foxnewsbooks dot Com and you'll probably get it before anybody and. 702 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: You'll love it. Go on and get it Joey Jones, 703 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me. 704 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am. 705 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 2: Thank you, and thank you all for joining the Tutor 706 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 2: Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go to iHeartRadio 707 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 2: dot com or go to iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or 708 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts, and you can watch it 709 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 2: on Rumble at Tutor Dixon. So join us next time 710 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 2: on the Tutor Dixon Podcast and have a blast day.