WEBVTT - Episode 72: Mackenzie Hughes 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:01.160 The guys from Ping. 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:03.840 They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:05.680 I just love that I can hit any. 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:07.280 Shot I kind of want. We're gonna be able to 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:09.320 tell some fun stories about what goes on here to 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:10.600 help golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:13.840 Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping prooven Grounds podcast. 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:16.040 I'm Shane Bacon, joined as always by Marty Jerts and 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.120 Marty we got one of the nice guys on tour 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:21.160 joining us day Atckenzie Hughes. McKenzie a lot of podcast 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.680 Have you had a lot of podcast spots in your life? 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:28.840 I feel like since since COVID, I feel like podcasts 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:32.040 have taken off, and I feel like since then, yeah, 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:33.800 I feel like the podcast I've been on quite a 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.040 few since then, and but like prior to that, I 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.640 don't feel like there was as many, and I feel 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:41.919 like now it's yeah, it's coming up more and more 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:46.360 requests and first time beyond a ping podcast, I'm excited. 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:47.680 Are you a podcast listener? 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:53.920 If I have the right drive, I will, And if 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:56.320 my kids aren't in the car, which is few and 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.680 far between, usually it's the kids TV is going in 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:02.760 the back, so you can't quite you know, intermix the audio, 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:06.080 but uh, do you like a good podcast? And I 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:08.000 feel like it can like if you've got on the 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.000 right podcast on nice drive, that can make it make 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:10.679 it go by quick. 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.360 What type of podcasts are you into health and fitness stuff? 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:14.920 You know? 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:18.279 I like those uh you know those self improvement ones 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.480 or motivational ones. I mean like maybe like an ed 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:27.120 my Leb podcast or I actually listened listened to a 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:33.160 podcast Jason Bateman will our Net SmartLess. Yeah, so good, 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:36.000 that's a good podcast. Those guys are funny. Uh So, 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:37.480 it just kind of depends on what my mood is. 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:40.160 You know, like a maple leaf steal. Do you do hockey? 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.680 Yea sometimes you know hockey podcasts or like those guys 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.400 are great. So yeah, just whatever you've been moved for. 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.920 But there's tons of good podcasts out there now and 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:50.000 and tons of great content. 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:53.200 Yeah. I think a lot of the ping proven Grounds 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.000 podcast listeners they're very into the kind of we talk 0:01:56.120 --> 0:02:00.559 tech stuff, golf, product design, club fitting to our your interview, 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.720 so this is gonna be a fun one, yeah, Mac 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.480 to kind of go into some of the details your gear. 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.720 I think how you train, get ready for tournaments. Y. 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.360 I'm personally very interested in your journey going from and 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:14.320 I've talked to Mike Carro, a little bit mutual friend 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.400 of ours, your trainer there, on what you've done to 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.799 kind of boost your ball speed in what you're doing 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.200 on the fitness side over the last you know whatever 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:23.640 five years or so. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.320 Yeah, Yeah, he's been great, kind of changed the way 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:31.000 I looked at the fitness side of things. I think 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:32.520 I had a pretty good handle on it, but just 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.800 a little bit different focus for what I'm doing in 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.480 the gym. And yeah, it's it's nice to see it 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.560 kind of come through on a golf course. Actually, I 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.200 was just coming off the range where I was hitting 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.360 some drivers and I try to do like you know, 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:50.080 small groups two three times a week where I'll be 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.480 hitting drivers like hard with the intent to hit them 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.360 as hard as I can, and just a way to 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:58.200 train that that speed. Like that speed is a skill. 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.160 It's something you need to work at and constantly do. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.680 And I find the more I do that, if I 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:05.840 can make sure I'm consistent with that, I can take 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:07.400 to that I can take that to the golf course 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.760 and you know, going from a one seventy seventy one 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.480 guy to a one seventy eight guy, Like that's that's 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.400 a big difference, and you know, a huge asset around 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:17.360 course like this for sure. 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.320 When you think about like speed, because speed's become such 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:21.800 a big part of golf, and you think about over 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.560 the last let's call it eight years, you know, it's 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.560 really become like a main focus not just for professional golfers, 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.280 but for the every day golfer as well. When do 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.639 you feel comfortable when you pick up seven eight mile 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:34.720 per hour ball speed and club at speed? When do 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:36.240 you start to feel comfortable going out on the golf 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.400 course in a tournament and feeling like, Okay, I can 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:40.760 unleash this one. Maybe you're playing you know, you're playing 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.280 Phoenix and you're on three, You're like, I'm gonna send one, 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.640 you know, right of that bunker. Yeah. Does it take 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.120 a level of commitment, you know, in terms of practice 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.000 to feel that comfortable doing it in a tournament? 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.600 Yeah? I mean, I think the good thing about as 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.360 you're making speed games, you know, it's not as if 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.160 you overnight go from seventy two to seventy nine, so 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:01.840 that that gradual will step up where you know, one 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.400 week I go, you know, averaging seventy five that week, 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.400 and then the next week I'm averaging, you know, just 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.160 over seventy five, and then in three months I'm averaging 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.800 seventy seven point five or you know, and you just 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.000 it's slowly creeping up. But like the idea with when 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.360 I I'm doing it on the range, I like to 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:20.800 swing the way I'll do on the course. So it's 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.560 just I'm simply adding like a little bit of intent 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:27.719 to hit it harder, but typically swing within the same 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.920 framework of my swing. I'm not lifting up my left 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.159 heel or trying to jump off the ground. I'm not 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.880 doing anything like that. So I try to make it 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.400 as similar as possible to I'm gonna do on the course, 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.240 so I can at least bring that swing to the course. 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:45.200 Now there is an element of trust too, because if 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.760 you stand on a tee on let's say fifteen to 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.040 part five, you know, and you're gonna get your back 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:52.640 and one a little harder. Well, you can't miss it 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:56.159 really anywhere, right, you know, like you need to right yeah, yeah, 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.480 So you need to hit it a really straight drive there, 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:03.120 And honestly, distance isn't a huge priority there because you 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.320 hit a three thirty down there, it gets pretty narrow 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.000 and necky. So you hit a three tons off the tee, 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.120 which is not too difficult to do here in Phoenix. 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.040 You know you're in a nice spot hitting a foreign 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.560 in there. So you kind of pick your spots right, 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.240 Like you know, eleven T is a little squeeze cut 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.800 for me, preferably a little bit off the heel, a little. 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:24.520 Spinny, just get it in play, get in. 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.920 Place, you know, I want that ball spinning left right. 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.800 So there's there's your moments. You got to pick your 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:32.760 moments where hey, this is a this is a full center. 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:36.520 This is like a little you know, feeler. But I 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.520 think you look at the list of winners here, uh 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.160 you know, typically you know, length is a big advantage 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.280 to have. I mean there's some bunkers that you know, 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.000 like on eight. You know when Rory plays here, those 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.479 bunkers aren't in play. You know, that's a huge advantage 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:50.880 for that whole I mean, that whole right of the 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:54.359 bunkers is tight. Over those bunkers, you got the world. 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.840 So I think it's just something that's it's kind of 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:00.080 opened my eyes to know how important it is. And 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:03.960 look I know what's coming behind me, and it's it's fast. 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.120 So I'm just trying to just trying to just trying 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.200 to keep up. I just played a practice round with 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:15.479 the two hoy Guards brothers and yes, PRIs Benson and 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:17.560 I mean they had their quads out there all day, 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.560 you know, eighty two at eighty five, all all morning, 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.159 I mean it and it wasn't I mean it was morning. 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.360 So I'm like, I was like, I'm not moving as good, 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.200 and you know, I'm probably in the you know load 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.600 of mid one seventies and they're already cruising in the 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:33.279 you know, mid to lower one eighties, and I'm like, 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:38.000 that's uh, that's different. So I know, you know, that's 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.040 kind of the way that the game is going now, 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.480 and it doesn't matter what they do to equipment, what 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.440 they do to the ball, the golfer and the athlete 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:46.320 will just get faster. 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:48.320 Yeah, I mean you're seeing it. You're seeing it throughout 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.599 every sport. I mean, think about how quick an athletic 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:52.599 defensive linemen are right now. I mean it's so incredib 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:54.800 They're running four threes, four fours, Marty. I wanted to 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:56.880 ask you, I mean, obviously with stack and everything like that. 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:01.080 I thought McKenzie said something very interesting about like not overswinging, 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.480 just overswing like trying to kind of make a swing 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:05.560 in practice that would be a swing on the golf course. 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.120 How do you talk to people that are using stack 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.960 in terms of that mentality where it's not just I'm 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:12.840 swinging as hard as I can as I'm practicing, and 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:13.840 then I got to go take that out on the 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:14.320 golf course. 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:16.640 Yeah, that's where we have when in our training, we 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.920 have different intents and Mac talked about that exactly. Is 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.680 just is just there's a certain intent you need to 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:24.800 take and if you can do it on the range, right. 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.080 And then one big thing we like to do, which 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.280 is the guys are doing in your practice around this morning, 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:31.640 is measure your ball speed on the course. So whether 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:33.760 it's you know, a little radar you take out there, 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:35.400 I mean, I think a lot of the guys using 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:38.480 quad are probably just looking at ball speed. Yeah, so 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:39.679 it's like taking that ball. 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.880 Speed to the court carry number, but really just a 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:43.520 couple of numbers because they're not lying it up for 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:45.600 runny club dat out there. Yeah, you know, they're just 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:49.720 looking to carry speed. You know, stuff like that Actually 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.920 the prg R that comes with stack it's actually really good. 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:55.560 I'm not I'm not sure if you use it all, 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.240 but like next to my track man the ball speed 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.040 numbers are like they never miss. 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:02.200 Yeah I don't. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.320 I don't look at club speed, but ball speed, which 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:07.000 is really what I'm after. It's money. Yeah, I mean 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:08.800 you just slid that thing in your bag pulled out. 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.400 I mean I kind of get some looks sometimes we're like, oh, 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:13.240 look at that little thing, like you know exactly I 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.000 cut my quad out here, like I cut my little 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.080 pr g R. But I've been a track man guy, 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.560 so like that's not really you can't bring on the course. 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:20.800 Yeah. 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.480 Pr GR Like just to get a few practice round 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:24.360 numbers is just great. 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.480 Yeah, no, it's sweet. That's what I like to do, Shane, 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.000 is just if I'm playing nine holes in the cart 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.400 late late in the evening, put our stack radar. It's 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.600 like the pr GR really good for ball speed. Just 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:35.160 put in your cup holder. You can put it down 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:38.160 in every single t box because ultimately you want to 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.480 you want to bring that speed to the golf course. 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.200 Yeah, and I think the idea is that you you know, 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.640 you get more comfortable doing it the more often you 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:47.080 do it. So if you're doing it in practice and 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:48.920 you're doing it when you play a match with your buddies, 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:50.400 and then you go do it when you play a 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.400 tour event, like it just it just gives you a 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:54.800 confensate this is okay, Yeah, I can actually go this 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.120 fast and it's still I actually like to use the 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.720 mentality sometimes of like people say, like and then the 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:02.880 old way of teaching was like slow and smooth, right, 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:04.760 like we just want to hit a straight straight, But 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:08.400 like if I asked a baseball player to throw a strike, 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:10.959 he wouldn't throw it softer to make sure you threw 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:12.960 a strike. You to throw a fastball, right, he's gonna 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:14.920 throw it fast to throw it straight, you know. And 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.319 I just think that sometimes, like we think that if 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.440 you're gonna go faster, we're gonna be more crooked. But 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.160 I've actually found that, like when I swing it hard, 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.600 my dispersion is as good, if not better. So, but 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:27.319 there's also whether there's a trust element to that. 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.080 How About from a shot shaving standpoint, you mentioned, you know, 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.040 hit a little control cuts out there when you're trying 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:33.640 to hit a far when are you trying to hit 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:34.120 it straight. 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.760 Yeah, when I when I'm hitting it further, I'm teeing 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.160 it a little bit higher and drawing away the balls 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:44.760 flying straight to maybe even fall on left. Okay, just 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:46.760 kind of what happens when I swing it harder. Yea, 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.160 I tend to get a little bit more up on 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:52.720 it and a little bit more right. But I know 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:54.520 that I know that. Well, that's that's kind of what happens. 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.640 And then you know, my my stock or more you know, 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.840 teed down swing is a little more on top of it, 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.400 a little more cut biased. So but again it's nice 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:05.800 just you guys gotta know you got no your tennessees 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:10.000 know what happens as you're gonna hit it harder. But yeah, 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.520 I think there's a st a little time and a place. 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:12.760 Right. 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.440 There's like you got on certain holes out here and 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.959 you know, being three hundred of mill of fairways just fine, 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.200 you know, so just getting all and play find a 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:22.360 way to get get out there. 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:26.000 So how crazy was it last year having three players 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.200 from Kent State on that President's Cup team? Like I 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.360 was going through some of the teams this morning, it's like, 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:33.400 you know, you get Bama and you get Texas and 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.080 you get these teams you expected to see and then 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.600 Kent State you got three players represented. It's pretty cool. 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.520 Yeah, I think, you know, that was a huge point 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:44.520 of pride for our school. My golf coach, her page 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:49.600 like that. That's just doesn't happen very often or ever really, 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.880 And you know, I'm in American school, uh, and we're yeah, 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:55.920 we're not. We're not in Texas, We're not on Alabama. 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.760 But you know, we've we've held our own over the years, 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.280 and I think, you know, we we're proud of that. 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.600 We're proud of, you know, the talent that's gone through 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.839 there and obviously a lot of Canadians going through that 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:12.200 that pipeline. But yeah, it was such a thrill not 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:13.640 only to be on that team, but to share it 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:15.959 with you know, two really good friends of mine, Corey 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.880 and Taylor, And yeah, I was that was a dream week. 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.760 You guys. I noticed you also traveled to South Africa 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.199 last fall to play that event. How'd that come to be? 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:27.800 Why did you? Why'd you go down there? I saw 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:29.960 you you had a great finish and Corey did as well. 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:34.000 Yeah, you know, I think as I you know, I'm 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:37.680 in year nine now, and I think it's cool to 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.640 get those opportunities and to see other parts of the world. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.480 And you know, I've played on tour now for a 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.480 while and I've seen lots of great places, but you know, 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.000 I hadn't been down there, and I just had the 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:52.040 opportunity to go. They have those spots available to the 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:55.360 ten ten PG tour spots down there, and they got 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.599 an invite to go down and it was kind of 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.000 a no brainer. I just thought there would be a 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.440 cool experience. I had heard nothing but great things. Uh, 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:09.040 And we got treated awesome down there, Corey and our 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.480 caddies and a couple others of the Safari, which was 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.280 a really cool experience, and just everything about it was 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.160 really fun. Uh. Animals all over the golf course. We 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.840 were playing the one day and we're up on this 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.719 par three l a t and this like herd, I 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.760 don't even be called a herd or a pack of 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.000 chimpanzees just started like coming across the hole. 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:30.000 Are you like uncomfortable? 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:31.960 And well they they I was like, I didn't think 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:33.319 any of it, but they're like all those are those 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.120 areas are vicious, Like you got to stay away from 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.439 those guys because they're they're mean, and I mean, I 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:39.960 had no idea, but like it looked it looked like 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.920 they could be pretty aggressive. And then I was over 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:45.240 a putt like ten minutes later on that same hole 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:47.480 and I'm just about to hit my putt and I 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.839 hear this like growling and screaming, and I'm like, what 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.200 is that? And it was two chimpanzees like just like 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.640 one hundred yards away, just scrapping, like just having a 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.080 fight over something. And uh, I mean, that was probably 0:12:58.080 --> 0:12:59.600 the first time in my career I backed off for 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:04.760 chimpanzee fight, so hopefully hopefully last. But it was really cool. 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:07.520 I loved it down there. Gary Player was the host, 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.480 got to meet him, and yeah, just a really fun week. 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.160 It feels like there's a push right now from pros. 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.959 I don't know who kind of started this, but there 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.320 seems to be and you said it, you know, you've 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:19.840 been doing this for a long time. There seems to 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:23.120 be an appreciation or at least an interest in a 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.439 little bit more global golf. You know, there's there's players 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.120 that are more insted in going and play in Australia, 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:29.679 around Australian Open and things like that go to Africa 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.680 and play do you feel that amongst your peers that 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.280 it's not just the localized tournaments that you play each 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.840 and every year, but to try to expand the horizons 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:40.640 a bit and play elsewhere that you haven't been before. 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.840 Yeah, And I think, you know, in this career, you 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:45.959 don't really know how long it will ever last, right, 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.400 You can get hurt and that and things can end abruptly. 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.920 You know, you hope that ever happens. But when you 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:53.880 have the opportunities and you get to a point like 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:57.360 I am in my career, I just think that you 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.000 take those chances, get the opportunities, and you don't you 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.720 just don't look back. Like my next one I would 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.080 love to do is Australia, Like you said, go do 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:08.600 those two back to back. You know, I'd love them 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.280 to be on like you know, like Royal. 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.720 Melbourne and like you know, like the Big Boys. 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.240 Yeah. Yeah, so maybe I'll try and line up with 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.320 one of those, you know, those venues. But yeah, I 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:23.840 think just just it's just cool to go see those places, school, 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.760 to travel the world, to do what we do, because 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.160 like you said, you can kind of get very comfortable 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.360 in the bubble of the PGA Tour where I mean 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.240 we travel a little bit, but it we're very much 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.080 within the US and it's cool to kind of expand 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.360 your your experiences and you're in your horizons a little bit, 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:41.960 and uh, we're so fortunate to do what we do, 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:44.720 and now to have the lines with the DP World Tour, 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.560 some of those opportunities open up a little bit easier, 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.120 Like go play Wentworth next year. That would be something 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:53.320 I'd love to do. I've heard nothing but amazing things 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.400 about that. It's like the basically the players of the 0:14:56.640 --> 0:15:00.600 of the of the DP World Tours. So yeah, just 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:02.960 it's fun to have those those opportunities, and I think, 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:05.320 you know, getting to my stage of my career, I'm like, oh, 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:06.720 I want to go do it now while I have 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:08.480 the chance and they still want me down there. 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.160 Yeah. I mean like Rory, you know this winter, Rory, 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:13.600 it's December and he goes on a golf trip, you know, 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.400 to New Zealand because he's always wanted to do that. 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.120 When's the last kind of casual golf trip you've been on. 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:21.720 It's it's been it's been a minute. 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:23.840 Do you have any interest in doing something or a 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:25.760 place you haven't played that you've always wanted to play. 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:30.560 I would like to do like abandon trip maybe one day. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:35.480 I've never done that. People ask me that though, It's like, 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.080 I mean, you have kids. Yeah, I've got three kids. 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.320 So I get to go home on your vacation's kind 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.000 of going home. Yeah, Like I want to go home 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:45.440 and be home. 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:45.640 Ye. 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:48.840 And then you get five weeks off in the off season. 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:52.520 You want to be home and uh, you know, and 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.280 I want to be also with my kids, but who 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.040 aren't traveling with me right now. So like it's tough 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.280 to just go home and then pick up and say, hey, 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:01.680 I'm going to go play. 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:02.720 They're not gonna pay me for this. 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:06.440 For it, it's a really tough sell to my wife. 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:08.280 And Charlotte's Ban is not a quick trip. 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.360 Yeah. And also just like for me, you know, it's 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.960 not the right time. But at some point that will 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:15.640 there will be a time for that. You know, my 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.240 kids will be in high school and they'll have their 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.680 own activities and you know, maybe I'll be home a 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.920 bit more and that opportunity opens up. One week, you know, 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:26.440 I go for five days, six days, and but it's 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.840 it's phase two. I think you know, right now we're 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:32.160 so busy week to week, so many tournaments every year, 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:34.600 but that will slow down and then they'll open up 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:35.360 a time to do that. 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:37.160 Marty. Do you have a place you haven't played that 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:38.800 you want to play a golf course? 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.080 I think Australia. I haven't been down to Australia. Australia 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:43.400 sounds amazing a bit. 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:44.240 That's a big golf trip. 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.080 Yeah, it's a big it's a big golf trip. 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:49.680 But I mean it's now you're talking ten, twelve, fourteen days, right, Yeah, 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.160 you're spending time. I mean the obviously the Melbourne golf 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:52.640 is so good. 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:53.000 Yeah. 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:54.760 Yeah, if you're gonna fly that far, you're gonna be 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:56.720 there for yeah. Uh. 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.240 Speaking of kids, Mac, I heard your seven year old 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:02.280 just got out of prodigies? Is that right? And how's 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.240 this fitting? How's his bag? How's his game? 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:10.639 So he's he's seven years old. The driver we actually 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:14.480 had it was funny. Uh, he was in twenty three. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.600 He had his driver cut down at the Masters, so 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.680 we brought it to the Masters. He had it worked 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:20.520 on at Augusta. 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:21.320 That's cool. 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.359 So he had his clubs worked on at Augusta and 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.760 I did not. I had no clubs worked on that week. 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:30.040 My son had his driver dialed in. So he loves it. 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.920 He loves his driver. His irons, I feel like they're 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:36.000 a little bit big for him at his age. So 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.320 he's got a couple like shorter ones that are non 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.760 non ping, but they're just like a little bit better 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.600 sizing for him. He'll grow into the Brady ones. But 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.720 the driver's awesome, The potter's great. He and he loves 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.320 it like he loves playing now. And he's been to 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.359 some pretty cool tournaments. He went to the President's Cup, walked, 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:56.399 and he's actually walked some rounds now. 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:56.879 So he's walked. 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.159 He walked four full rounds last year in twenty for 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.560 so that's pretty big at seven years old. Like you know, 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:05.520 it's a big commitment to walker full round of golf. 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:07.480 You know, include some treats. You know, you go, you 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.600 have some treats along the way. Always got to keep 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.840 the interest as you go along. But he's actually into 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.000 it now. He does He does it twice a week 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.040 in like a group setting, which I think is great 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:20.440 because you you have fun doing it. It's not so structured, 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:23.919 but there's you know, there's information, there's lessons learned, and 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:27.120 then there's that element of I'm running around my buddies too, 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.159 you know, and the winning team gets a little treat 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:33.440 and uh so that's been a great, great thing for him. 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.760 And you know, when I asked him, like, golf is 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:42.159 number one. He's playing flag football, basketball, he's playing, uh baseball, 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.360 but golf's number one. So that's that's pretty cool. 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:47.640 The balance too, I mean, Marty, I'm sure you went 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.200 through this as well, but the balance of like being 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.000 a golf or being in golf, not wanting to feel 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.080 like you're pushing golf down their throat at the same 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:56.840 time kind of wanting you know, like I'm dealing this 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:58.720 with my son right now, it's like wanting them to 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:00.000 play golf with you. 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:00.119 Ye. 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:02.680 So the balance is always kind of tough to to 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.160 really refine. But it's cool that you're at a place 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.159 now where it seems like there's a yeah, there's kind 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:07.919 of good synergy there. 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:12.240 Yeah for sure. I mean, like I have no I don't, 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.040 I don't care one way or the other. You know, 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.159 like I just wanted to him to experience all those things, 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:20.480 experience all those sports and then just let him decide 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:22.439 he might not like golf, but he might love it, 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.000 and if he does, that'd be a huge bonus, you know. 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:27.520 Now the bandon trip's an easier sell to exact. 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:29.720 Well, that's where my head, that's where this whole question started. 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.920 Yeah, let me get to sixteen. Then we're gonna go 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:34.520 on a family trip Tobandon. 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.800 And then you know, my wife she's got a set 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.960 up things as well, so you know she's wanting to 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.160 get into it as well. But at the same time, 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.960 she has the three small kids right, you know, at 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.560 home all the time, so like even that, it's like, 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:49.959 when's the time for her to go? You know, But 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.040 there will be a time and she will get into 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.480 it at some point, and it'll be fun if we 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.439 can do that in the family setting and just go 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.480 to quail, play nine holes, have dinner, and even if 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:01.360 it's just play three hold four holes, but just to 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.119 do it together and make it a you know, a 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.920 group effort and where were all together, that'd be that'd 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:07.359 be cool. 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:10.719 One day, super fun. Speak of sports, what were your sports? 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:12.800 What what was your sports? And when'd you kind of 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.439 go in on all in on golf growing up? 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:18.320 So I think you know, I was kind of like 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:21.240 my song where like, growing up, I played a little 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:25.800 bit of baseball early, probably only like you know, let's 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:28.520 say a three or four year window where I played baseball, 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:35.040 played hockey growing up until I was like fourteen years old, 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:37.720 which is kind of a right, a passage in Canada. Yeah, 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:40.480 let's see, I played I played a little bit of 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:44.080 volleyball in high school, you know, in the winter months, 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:48.240 and so I I really kind of I did soccer 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:50.560 as well, but I was kind of doing a little 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:52.879 bit of everything, tasted a little bit of everything. But 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:57.399 I kind of found out, like around like the twelve 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:01.160 thirteen year mark, that I didn't love team sports quite 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.160 as much. And I was playing golf at that time. 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:08.679 I loved what golf asked of you because I felt like, 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:12.920 you know, I'd go to the course and I could 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:16.679 spend five six hours by myself practicing and playing, and like, 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:19.480 I like, I found enjoyment in that. I found like 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:24.400 that the solitude was nice, and like I'm a social 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:27.480 person with also you know a little bit of that 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:32.040 intrinsic uh, you know, personality as well, where I can 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:34.840 actually do quite well, like on my on my own 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:36.800 for quite quite a while, and I found like golf 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:39.679 just like you know, it was so peaceful, and I 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:43.960 loved that golf was like just on you, you know, 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:46.040 like you go, put the time in, you go, you 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.600 go do some work, like but you know whether it's 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:50.920 going great or going poorly, like it was on your shoulders. 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:53.000 And like I felt like with team sports sometimes you 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:56.840 get stuck with like teammates who didn't like or you know, 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.320 these guys are putting in tons of affork these guys aren't. 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:02.520 So I just I don't know that that was a 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:05.080 big part about drew me to golf too. And but 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:07.840 I did try quite a few sports growing up. When 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:11.080 I was playing hockey at thirteen fourteen, I hadn't really 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:13.840 hit a gross spurt yet and like, youth sports can 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:15.520 be kind of tough. Like I'm trying to picture like 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:17.560 well with comparison and be like football in the States, 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.639 maybe yeah, but like you're eleven, twelve years old and 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:23.119 you're playing football, Well, there's like twelve year olds that 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:26.160 are six feet tall and one hundred and sixty five 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:28.240 hundred and seventy pounds, and then there's twelve year olds 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:30.520 that are five foot two and one hundred and twenty pounds, 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:33.679 and I was that that kid, you know, I was 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:36.200 the small, you know, twelve year old, thirteen year old 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:38.159 and I found like I'm playing hockey and I'm just 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:41.240 I'm getting pushed around here, and I'm like, eah, golf 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:43.680 might be for me. Yeah, golf. Golf sounds a little better. 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:46.160 And when I was like fourteen, I hit a big 0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:48.720 gross spurt and I was like, I basically grew like 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:51.240 eight inches in a year. I went from like being 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:53.520 five foot three to almost six feet tall in a year. 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:56.400 And then playing golf, I was like, oh, this is great, 0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:58.960 Like I'm hit the ball way further, and I went, 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:01.399 you know, from kind of poking it out there to 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:04.040 hit in some pretty big drives at fifteen years old. 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:07.720 And but I think it's like when I talk to 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:10.440 people now, like I feel like I get that question 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:13.720 a lot. Hey McKenzie, my youngest son's playing golf. He's 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:15.159 eight or nine, Like, what do you what do you 0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:19.440 recommend for him? I'm like, don't don't specialize in golf now, 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:22.600 don't don't limit him to just golf at eight or 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:25.600 nine years old. Play let him play sports, let them 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:28.639 let him be a kid, because you don't need to 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:30.639 do golf twenty four to seven to be really good 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:33.920 at golf at that age, and they're gonna become sick 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:35.520 of it. You're gonna you're gonna you're gonna grow out 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:36.800 of the sport. 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:37.200 Yeah. 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:41.280 I feel like if you're pushed into it or you're 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:44.000 forced to basically only do golf at that age. And 0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:46.359 uh So I tell people all the time and tell parents, like, 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:48.680 keep your kids in a lot of sports, like let 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.720 them have the balance and let them decide a little 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:53.200 later on, like what it is they want to do, 0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:55.000 because they might not want to do golf. But if 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:57.400 you push them into golf, I don't think that's how 0:23:57.400 --> 0:23:59.760 you have success. Like if you don't want to play 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:01.959 golf and your kid doesn't want anything, like they're not 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:04.080 gonna like you have to want They have to want it. 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:07.080 And I always wanted when I was a kid, my 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:09.480 parents weren't taking me the course. I was like, hey, mom, 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:12.200 like take me take me the course. I want to go, Yeah, 0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:14.600 pick me up a dark you know. But if your 0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:16.720 kids aren't telling you that, there's probably you know, there's 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:20.359 probably a reason why. And so I encourage parents all 0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:22.520 the time, like, hey, let's let's let a lot your 0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:24.960 kids play sports. Let them play what they want to play, 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:27.760 and at maybe thirteen fourteen years old, they go, hey, 0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:30.480 they'll fit that I really like golf, and maybe I 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:31.720 want to play a little baseball or I want to 0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:33.879 play a little basketball. I'm going to like narrow it down. 0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:36.920 But they will tell you, you know, they're smart. 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:38.480 Versus them being pushed in the corner. By the way, 0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:41.840 you mentioned football being like the hockey version, I was 0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:44.680 the same way. I was really small until like ninth 0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:47.800 grade and I grew, yeah, eighth grade, about five foot tall. 0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:50.879 And I went around the corner catching a pass and 0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:54.240 this guy that played safety at Baylor hit me helmet 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:57.240 off fumble. That was the end of my football. 0:24:57.240 --> 0:24:58.080 That was it. 0:24:58.160 --> 0:24:59.920 I was like, this is I'm not doing this anymore. 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:02.000 This is I you realize quickly, maybe golf is going 0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:03.359 to be my sport, or maybe ten it's going to 0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:04.919 be sport, but I'm sure not going to be this 0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:08.280 sport because it's not for me. Yeah it's a yeah, 0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:10.600 I mean it's it's I think that's a good message 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:13.080 out there because I think we live in a society 0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:16.520 now where I want my kid to be this. They 0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:18.960 need to do this all the time. It's not really 0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:22.040 how we work. I mean, we change interests and you 0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:23.320 know as adults, right yea. 0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:27.639 And I feel like the the culture around sports is 0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:31.640 definitely different in the United States. I mean there's there's 0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:35.320 definite I definitely notice that coming from Canada, that the 0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:38.359 intensity and the focus around sports, especially at a young age, 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.879 like it's ramped up quickly. Like my son was playing 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:47.720 baseball this past fall, was barely seven years old, and 0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:50.119 the coaches out there arguing calls in the mound with 0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:53.320 the other and I'm like, I'm like, I can assure you, 0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:55.320 these kids don't care that much. Let's let's let it. 0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:57.520 Let's let it go right, right, and the parents, you 0:25:57.920 --> 0:25:59.840 care more than they care. The parents really don't care, 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:03.919 so like let's let's move on. But yeah, I just 0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:06.040 think that that can kind of like take away from 0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:08.560 they can take a take away from the kids enjoyment 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:11.359 of it if it becomes too serious too early. And uh, 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:13.880 look at seven, eight, nine years old. Yeah, I mean 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:16.360 we're not moving mountains like. These kids are just there 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:20.840 to have fun, learn the game, you know, And god, 0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:22.800 I just think it gets it gets too serious. Too 0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:25.680 quickly in my opinion, looking at it from the outside, 0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:30.080 like I see parents, you know, working with their kids 0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:32.439 of the course and doing certain things, and I'm like, 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:35.399 and I don't. I don't step in. It's not my place. 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:37.040 But you know, I see it. I can see it 0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:41.000 from the outside a lot. And you know, I just 0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:44.280 think if if it was me giving advice, I'd say, hey, 0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:47.480 you know, I think less is more at that age. 0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:51.040 Let them have fun, lumby kids and then they figured out. 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:54.080 Mackenzie, I wanna we talked a little bit about your 0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:58.280 distance gains and how important that's been to you. I 0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:00.560 think it's been incredible. Looking at your short game stats 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:03.680 over your entire career stroke uh strokes gained around the 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:07.399 green strokes game putting, your stats have been incredible. What 0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:09.160 do you do to kind of maintain? Have you always 0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:11.720 been a good putter, even before you got on tour? 0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:13.440 And then what do you do to kind of maintain 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:17.720 What do you think your strengths are from a putting standpoint. 0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:21.560 So I'd say, like, before I got on tour, I 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:24.560 felt I was a good putter, but I would have 0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:27.720 been classified as a streaky putter, I think, but I 0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:31.240 got got hot at times, but you know, week to 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:34.680 week it wasn't where I wanted to be playing corn 0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:37.520 Fery Tour. And then I felt like my rookie year 0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:43.399 on tour, I found I found something, And from that 0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:46.800 point on, I'd say, I've been, you know, one of 0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:48.679 the better partters out here for the last you know, 0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:49.840 six seven, eight years. 0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:51.240 You would you find. 0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:57.119 You know, I can't really pinpoint, to be honest, what 0:27:57.240 --> 0:28:03.200 I found uh that particular year, but I found a 0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:06.520 feeling my stroke, and I to be honest, I put 0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:10.080 differently now, but I found a feeling my stroke, and 0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:14.760 for whatever reason that it just felt really good. I 0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:16.159 was able to kind of ride that out for a 0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:20.080 long time. But I made a ton of putts and 0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:22.240 the hole started to look big to me. 0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:24.600 It started it wasn't a grip change or a stroke 0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:26.439 change anything necessarily. 0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:29.479 Just something click, a little feel, and then I started 0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:33.119 to like roll a few like weeks together where I 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:35.000 was like, man, I'm making a lot of nice putts, 0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:37.040 a lot of mid range putts, and then it just 0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.160 kind of felt like that became a little more normal. 0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:41.680 It just felt like making putts was like a normal 0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:44.720 thing for me. And then I just kind of stumbled 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.479 that confidence. And like, to be honest, when I look 0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:49.840 back at my stroke from my rookie year, I don't 0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:52.600 like it. But I was the eighth ranked plot around 0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:55.120 tour that year. I just I was aiming left when 0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:57.600 I was pushing it online, but I did every single time. 0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:01.120 And uh, I've kind of you know, straightened out since then. 0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:04.240 But like the confidence I built for my year like that, 0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:06.680 it's like still carried with me. Like I saw the 0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:09.600 blogging a whole lot, and i'd I'd have weeks where I, 0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:15.440 you know, gained three, four or five strokes putting and 0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:17.200 that was like a big jump up for me that 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:20.840 that rookie year. And yeah, like I say, like now 0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:24.360 to like maintain where I'm at with my putting, I 0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:28.000 really feel like it's I do the same thing almost 0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:31.680 every single day, so and I don't do anything really fancy, 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:34.360 but like I just I start my day with, you know, 0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.280 start line straight left to right, right to left. I'll 0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:39.400 do that for fifteen minutes. And I do the same 0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:43.240 like three or four drills every day, uh speed short 0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:47.080 putt drills. But I don't I don't really vary my 0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:50.120 routine hardly at all. And then as far as like 0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:52.600 what I focus on when I'm on the course, my like, 0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:56.960 my focus is really down to like what I can 0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.680 control in my box, So I call it like my 0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:02.880 my I'm in my playbox right over the ball, and 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:07.080 like I'm really someone that's very process oriented with like, hey, 0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:10.560 if I like check those boxes off, I can accept 0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:12.680 the outcome over here. So I'm not like a guy 0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:14.960 that says, hey, like miss make good, put bad putt. 0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:17.400 I'm like, oh, I missed this butt from eight feet. 0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:19.200 I had a great putt. I did what I was 0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:21.880 trying to do, great putt, you know. And I feel 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:25.360 like that actually helps from a confidence standpoint, because if 0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:28.200 I was just based on my confidence on miss make well, 0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:30.120 I wouldn't be very confident because you miss a lot 0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:32.240 more puts than you make. So I feel like you 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.800 can gain confidence hitting a putt from ten feet that 0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:36.719 you feel like you rolled it well, did what you're 0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:39.840 trying to do. I miss, but I did what I 0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:41.680 was trying to do. So I think that's something that's 0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:45.000 helped me. And something I kind of try to tell 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.800 amateurs sometimes is like, hey, you know, you missed that 0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:50.479 twelve foot putt, But like the odds are you were 0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:52.120 going to miss that putt? So like, I don't know 0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:53.960 why you're mad, Like you hit a good butt over 0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:56.160 the over the right edge, Like, oh I should have 0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:59.640 made that putt. No, you shouldn't have. You you're a 0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.840 twelve handicap. You know, it's the twelve foot put My 0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:05.000 odds are probably thirty percent or forty percent to make 0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:07.840 that putt. Your odds are fifteen percent. 0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:10.840 Maybe, Yeah, So I was gonna say. I mean that, 0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:15.200 like to your point, it feels like amateurs struggle with 0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:18.240 accepting like the percentages. 0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:19.960 Yeah, I think that's a big thing. Like if you 0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:22.800 could lay out ahead of time, Hey, before you hit 0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:26.400 this butt this fifteen foot, realize you are a one 0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:29.959 and twenty chance of making this putt for like a 0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:32.440 twelve handicap, right, Like if I lay that out to 0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:34.840 you right now, Like, that's gonna change the way you 0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:36.000 approach that butt. 0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:38.200 Probably, yeah, just trying to hit itid maybe it goes in. 0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:40.120 Yeah, it's all with good speed, right, get on a 0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:43.560 reasonable line and you two butt. You've probably like exceeded 0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:46.280 the expectations, you know. But I think the mentality is, 0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:48.080 like I watch on TV, it's got they make them 0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:50.120 all the time. You know, all leaders make these puts 0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:53.080 all the time. But like again, you show the guys 0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:56.600 playing the best every week, and when you guys flipped 0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:59.360 it to a shot, you typically aren't going to like 0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:00.240 many misses. 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:02.040 Right, you know, like you guys Saturday, you're not going 0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:03.120 to show an eight foot or miss. 0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:03.520 Yeah. 0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:06.680 So we watched guys making putts all the time, and 0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:09.440 I think people are programmed to think, oh, ten foot putt. 0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:11.680 You just you make these like they're like free throws, right, 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:12.800 they're not. 0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:14.840 And the greens were smoother on tour. 0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:17.200 Yeah, yeah, we put on better, We put it very good. 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:20.320 Yeah, that's that's that's actually a sneaky good point too. 0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:23.120 It was like when their cars down, for sure going 0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:26.040 to go, but golf course go down. 0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:29.640 I want to hear the father in law cell phone 0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:32.000 bill story. Can you tell that for us if you 0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:32.480 don't mind. 0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:37.200 Yeah, So I was playing at corn Fair events in 0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:37.760 New York. 0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:42.840 It was at this this what years is like twenty. 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:46.000 Sixteen, uh peak and peak and uh this actually the 0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:47.640 year I got my tour card. And this is actually 0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:54.840 a great story because so I'm like three or four out, 0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:58.600 I do the Monday qualifier, and I started the year 0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.760 with a full card, had the first eight eight starts 0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:05.080 or so, hadn't played great in the first like third 0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:08.400 of the year, was on the outside looking in. Monday 0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:12.280 qualified but missed. I got into my number. 0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:12.680 The next day. 0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:15.560 So Tuesday, I get in the tournament, don't have a 0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:19.760 cally lined up. My buddy Keith from Canada comes up, 0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:24.040 calls for me, and first day, just to kind of 0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:26.640 a prelude to the story, he puts his running shoes 0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:30.280 on top of the car, the car next to us, 0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:33.560 and we pulled out of our house that week, we're 0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:36.880 staying at my in laws and we pull out of 0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:41.280 the driveway and he's wearing his broking Stock sandals, but 0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:43.880 he leaves his shoes on the other car. So we 0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.920 get to the course morning tea time Thursday, and he's 0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:49.320 squeaking down the first hole is with his sandals on, 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.240 barefoot and the sandals just adding for me run kind 0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:57.479 of walking through the rough feet are soaked. I'm like, sweet, 0:33:57.560 --> 0:34:01.040 nice job, dude, you had one in your shoes. Next time, 0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:06.080 So Friday, so I shoot even part of the first 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:07.480 day and the cut is going to be low. It's 0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:09.680 probably going to be you know, five or six under. 0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:11.719 So I needed to go out there and shoot you know, 0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:14.760 a really low round on on Friday. And my father 0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:17.759 in law we're sitting there at the house on Thursday night, 0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:20.960 and at this point, my wife and I are still 0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:23.640 on the family Plan. So I'm I think I'm twenty 0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.799 five years old and I somehow manage to get my 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:29.560 way onto the family plan. And so my father in 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:32.319 law's playing paying the phone bill and he goes, all right, 0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:34.440 I'll make you a deal. You can stay on the 0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:37.040 stay on the on the family plan for another year 0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:41.759 if you shoot six hundred tomorrow. So I'm like, all right, 0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.719 that's a that's a fair deal. And we're going down 0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:46.920 the last hole. I finished on number nine. I hit 0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:50.480 the shot in there to like eight feet and at 0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:52.319 this point, I'm now I'm thinking about it, like I've 0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:54.160 now I'm like, oh, you thought up a frid with 0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:59.520 that bet. So yeah, now I've made I've made the cut. 0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:01.400 I've we got like I think a shot to spare 0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:04.600 got Birdie putt in the last hole and I just 0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:07.279 sent or cut it and I look over there, like 0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:09.000 one hundred yards down the fairway, and I was like 0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:12.240 doing one of these and uh, you know my wife's 0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:14.200 obviously each year and and uh it was it was 0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:17.240 super funny. But yeah, that's a that's a cool story. 0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:18.840 How how long did you get the bill? Paid for 0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:19.440 it for another year? 0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:20.799 Another year? Plan? 0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:23.080 So they kick you off? What what what happened to 0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:23.960 get you kicked off the bill? 0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:26.239 I think later that year got my tour card and 0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:28.440 I was like, you're like, yeah, you're good now, you know, 0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:31.360 you guys are fine. So but it was that's a 0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:32.280 cool story, that's. 0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:33.719 That's that's great, And you played well the rest of 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:34.120 the week. 0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:36.279 Right, Yeah, yeah, I actually finished fifth that week, which 0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:38.960 like it was a big week for me, got me 0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:43.200 like in the next kind of wave of tournaments. And 0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:46.719 then a month and a half later I won and 0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:49.760 then got my tour card. So it was it's crazy 0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.560 how like you're on the outside looking in. Yeah, you're 0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:54.080 not sure if you're gonna get played that week, you 0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:56.400 play well, a month later, you win and you're on 0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:59.240 the tour and it's like it just like boom, it happens. 0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:01.680 And you feel like, you know, a month prior to that, 0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:03.320 like you kind of feel like you're in the woods 0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:04.480 and all of. 0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:06.480 A sudden, you're almost questioning, like what should I be doing? 0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:08.319 All of a sudden? Can I do this? 0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:08.759 Am I? 0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:09.000 You know? 0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:11.320 Am I at this level? Can I have that breakthrough? 0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:14.880 And then a month later I win, And then two 0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:17.879 months later I went on tour and you're just like, wait, 0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:19.760 I wasn't sure I was good enough. 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:20.239 That little world. 0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:24.000 Yeah, so I don't have to work about eighteen and 0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:24.600 TV anymore. 0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:28.919 It's crazy what that little bit of belief and self 0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:32.000 confidence does like. But from actually doing it, it's one 0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:34.319 thing like to say, hey, I'm I am good enough, 0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:36.640 but like once you see it and it like you 0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:38.640 have that like that that peak and peak was the 0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:40.560 kind of a bit of a breakthrough performance for me 0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:43.080 where I'm like, hey, I was like on the outskirts 0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:45.959 of contention here and had a chance to somewhat win there, 0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:48.399 And that was like a big one for me where 0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:51.040 I'm like, I can't do this. And then I went 0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:52.319 on the corn Ferry and then when I was on 0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:54.480 the I had the lead at the RSM that year 0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:57.000 and I'm like, I just won two months ago. I 0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:59.960 mean I can do this, but like the guys say 0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:02.040 month ago, like you know it wasn't sure right right, 0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:04.040 So it's just it's crazy how it just like it 0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:08.319 clicks and it's like okay, I can't do this, and yeah, 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:09.920 hello world, right. 0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:11.080 And you wanted a big playoff? 0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:11.680 Yeah? 0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:11.960 Yeah. 0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:14.680 It was that five five man playoff and it went 0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:16.320 in went to Monday morning. 0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:18.279 Do you guys play all five or did you split up? 0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:21.359 So we played all five awesome, played two holes on 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:25.160 Sunday night, and then ran out of light. Had to 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:28.200 come back Monday morning, but we lost one on the 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:31.319 first playoff hole I think, and then came back the 0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:33.759 next morning to play one more hole. So but even that, 0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.600 like you know, I look back and I you know, 0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:39.520 the fact that I won that playoff, you know, the 0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:42.000 way it played out like was just it was just 0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:44.920 so like the stats would just be like there's no chance, 0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:46.839 like it just so I like, I hit it long 0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:49.880 left and I pitched up and I almost see the 0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:51.640 great shot. I left it just shore of the green 0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:54.200 and I had like a sixteen foot plot from the 0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:56.120 fringe and everyone I had missed the green. I mean, 0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:58.640 this is like one hundred and ninety five yards forty 0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:01.360 two degrees wins off the right, Like this is the 0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:04.280 first swing of the day and everyone misses the green 0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:07.520 and everyone gets inside me, so everyone's got a putt 0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:10.200 from inside me. I'm the first first to go, and 0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:13.440 I'm thinking to myself, well, like, you know, if I 0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:15.239 can make this, like I can put the heat on, 0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:19.640 and sure enough I make it. And I watched the 0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:22.439 three guys miss and but like, but at no point 0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:25.319 when I made the putt was I like I just won. 0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:27.560 I was like, maggot, I get to play one more, right, yeah, 0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:29.680 And I'm like, is it gonna be two guys one? 0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:31.759 But like one of these guys is gonna make it? 0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:37.720 And you know once once, like the first guy missed, 0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:40.480 but I'm like, Kayler's so two. And then it didn't 0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:42.880 hit me till the second guy missed. I'm like, oh. 0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:44.720 Shit, Like you know who the last guy was to putt? 0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:47.920 Camillo? Okay, so Camilla had like a six foot putt 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.239 and he's above the whole kind of a little bit 0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:53.160 of like a soft left to righter and uh, that 0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:56.399 was the first moment I allowed myself to think, oh, 0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:58.440 if this ball doesn't go and I win, and I'm 0:38:58.440 --> 0:38:59.919 like no, no, no, he's gonna make it. We're gonna 0:38:59.920 --> 0:39:03.000 go at eighteen and then blinks and he misses it, 0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:05.399 and I'm like, wow, I was just like what just happened? Yeah, 0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:08.000 you know, so crazy crazy stuff. 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:10.080 Well, you're probably we talked about your putting, how good 0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:14.279 that's been, and uh, what about your wedge setup? I 0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:17.080 find it's very unique. You're you play your law budge 0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:18.759 at sixty three degrees? Is that right? 0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:19.280 Yeah? 0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:21.640 So how long have you been doing that? And I'm 0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:25.359 always curious because I've hit a sixty four sixty three occasionally, 0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:27.680 like how far can you max that out if you 0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:29.560 hit it full? And do you hit it full shots 0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:30.080 with him much? 0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:33.640 I actually do, because I find that there's just there 0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:35.279 is a time when you want to hit something that's 0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:38.319 like ninety ninety five yards or even one hundred yards 0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:40.799 that like has a lot of spin on front pin 0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:44.279 with you know, a firm green Yeah, so I can 0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:46.200 max that out at about one hundred yards. 0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:46.919 Wow. 0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:48.640 Yeah, sixty three degree? 0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:52.120 Yeah, geez, I'd be like eighty maybe. 0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:52.600 I'm. 0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:57.000 You know, and obviously, like you know, you're putting it 0:39:57.040 --> 0:39:59.880 back in your stance, it's a bit's a bit more backfooted. Yeah, 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:01.759 that ball cannot be foard of your stance at all, 0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:06.160 where it's it's going like this, so and I don't 0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:07.960 do it a ton, you know, where I'm ever like 0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:10.359 maxing that club up. But like again, like there will 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:13.440 be a time this week where I will max that 0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:15.560 club out because it will get firm by the weekend 0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.239 all of a shot from one hundred yards the will 0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:20.719 maybe a little bit of helping win. And I'll want 0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:22.560 that ball to have as much spin as if it 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:24.800 could possibly have it. Whereas if I hit that fifty 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:28.000 six and I'm taking fifteen yards off it and trying 0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:30.160 to control a hit a three quarter shot, that ball 0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:32.839 could bounce, bounce, bounce to check and be thirty feet 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:35.920 past the hole quickly. So you know, I think it's 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:39.160 important to have that ability to stop it quick at times. 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:44.200 And I always felt like around the greens, I wanted 0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:46.840 to have as much loft as possible with a particular 0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:48.640 club because I always know I can go down and 0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:51.560 loft if I need to hit a low a low shot, 0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:53.319 you know, I can go to fifty six, I can 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:55.719 go to gap, or I can put the low wedge 0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:58.640 back in my stants. I can always decrease that loft. 0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:02.480 But like adding and creating excess loft. On tour, I 0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:05.880 feel like around the greens is a big advantage because 0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:08.839 we play a lot of four pinch, you know, four 0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:12.160 steps from the right, three from the right firm short 0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:14.880 sighted a lot. Like to me on tour, it became 0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:18.160 a huge advantage to have all that height, all that 0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:21.160 speed and spin because like you know, at sixty or 0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:24.280 fifty eight degrees, yeah, it's great, but like at sixty three. 0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:25.400 You look at that club and you go, hoole. 0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:28.480 Man, I can get basically any pin around these greens. 0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:31.360 And so I felt like I was playing with sixty 0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:33.520 two and I ended up adding a degree of loft. 0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:36.359 And I've never really regretted it, and I've just kind 0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:38.560 of gone with it. And like I said, you, when 0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:41.480 I'm pitching with that club, you wouldn't know it's sixty three, 0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:43.239 like you'd watching around the greens. Ah, you're just kind 0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:45.120 of pitching with it like a sixty or fifty eight. 0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:47.200 Put it back of my stance. I drive them. But 0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:48.919 then when I need to, you know, I can get 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:49.879 that ball up in the air quick. 0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:52.120 When did when did the when did you go from 0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:54.480 did you grow up using a sixty? Like when did 0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:54.759 you go to. 0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:58.319 I was always like a pitching wedge. Fifty two, fifty six, 0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:03.600 sixty guys, sixty yeah, nice and clean, and then I just, 0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:05.279 you know, I was kind of messing around one time 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:08.120 and I just feel like, I think it was my 0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:10.799 last Caddie was just like, hey, why don't you just 0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:12.239 like add them off to that long We're just like, 0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:14.360 we can always like take it down, but let's just 0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:16.399 see if we like it a little more. I think 0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:18.560 I started at sixty two and I was like, Hey, 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:20.279 how far can we go with this? I'm like, yeah, 0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:22.360 sixty three, Like that's probably both as much as you 0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:22.799 want to go. 0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:25.799 And so it's gonna if you thought sixty four, sixty five? 0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:28.760 Yeah, is there? What's the legal limit? What's the legal 0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:29.120 is there? 0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:32.080 Oh? No, you can go to anything? Yeah right yeah, 0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:34.080 really ball just slip right up the face, but you 0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:34.640 can do it. 0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:40.000 What are you the most loft? But you could play 0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:43.200 with and like, actually, what would be reasonable? I think 0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:44.680 you had sixty eighth reason loft? 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:48.000 Like, well, that's why I'm very curious of it, because 0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:50.960 it's rare to play. I've wanted sixty three. There's not 0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:52.680 a lot of guys out there doing it because the 0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:56.160 ball starts to like you get into the friction between 0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:58.160 the ball and the face, and the ball starts to 0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:01.279 just slip more than grip. Yeah, And in order to 0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:03.120 get spin, you need the ball to kind of stick 0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:06.520 on the face. That's the grip force. Yeah, but you 0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:07.960 have to have a lot of speed to do it 0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:10.280 to get it to grip. This is why you see 0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:13.640 Phil and Bubba. Now you the high speed players of 0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:16.960 the world. You know, using the high lofted wedge, you 0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:18.680 get a little more spin around the greens. But I 0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:20.640 think you could you you know, I don't know. You 0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:23.000 hit a flop shot, you've got the face open to 0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:26.040 like eighty eighty five degrees, probably right, if you're really 0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:27.520 sending one up there. Yeah. 0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:29.480 How many guys do you think on tour have more 0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:30.120 than sixty? 0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:35.560 I think it's probably under ten percent, under ten percent. Yeah. 0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:37.120 I wonder if it's going to go that way, just 0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:39.440 as as we get longer and longer and longer, I 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:41.760 wonder if guys are going to creep into the sixty 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:43.719 three sixty four to sixty five degree world. 0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:45.560 Well, and I think too, I mean, if I'm if 0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:49.120 you're if you're a guy that cruises at one eighty 0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:53.040 five ball speed. I would want to have an extra wedge. Yeah, 0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:54.759 not a not a not a three shirt, you know 0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:56.400 what I mean? Ye Like, for a guy like that, 0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:59.560 it's more valuable to have tighter gaps at those wedges 0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:01.120 and all to a wedge that you could hit from 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:02.799 one hundred and five yards or one hundred and ten 0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:05.520 yards but hit a full right and create tons of spin. 0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:09.400 I think that's probably the way it would It would 0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:12.600 creep because guys now just have so much speed and 0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:15.040 those opportunities to hit those wedges become more prevalent. 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:16.680 Could be laying out a new trend. This could be 0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:19.440 the next trend of the professional golf problem. As we 0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:21.080 wind out, I wanted to ask how pumped you to 0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:22.359 have a major at home this year? 0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:26.680 Really pumps? That's uh. We talked about that being very 0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:28.600 unique just to have. 0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:30.080 I mean your home tournament. 0:44:30.160 --> 0:44:32.560 Well, yeah, a tournament in your own backyard is one thing. 0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:37.120 A major at your home course that's a that's a 0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:40.640 weird one, but be super fun. Just to have the 0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:45.080 clumb club support, to be in your own bed, Yeah, 0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:47.000 that's going to be really cool. 0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:50.239 Pressure Like, do you do you feel added amount of 0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:51.839 like I've got to play well, I've got to make 0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:53.279 the cut, like I've got to do those things. 0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:57.800 You definitely feel those things. But I think that's normal, 0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:00.760 and I think that as as that we comes closer, 0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:04.040 I'll you know, I'll talk to my guy and my 0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:07.040 team and and you know, and we'll we'll basically, you know, 0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:09.719 come to grips with like hey, yeah, you're gonna want 0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:11.520 to do well because it's your home course and everything 0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:14.000 like that, but like this is no different than the 0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:17.320 other week, and you you have to have the mentality 0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:19.719 I think of like embracing that, like, hey, I'm going 0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:21.000 to see a bunch of people that know me and 0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:23.680 everyone's gonna want me to do well. That's fun, you know, 0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:25.719 like look at it. Look at it like a positive Yeah, 0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:28.239 hey I'm not actually extra support and whether I play 0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:31.560 great or don't, like they're behind me, rather than viewing 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:33.200 it like, oh man, I got to play well my 0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:35.600 home course. Like so if you if you can kind 0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:37.560 of frame it the right way, I think it's it's 0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:40.719 a it's rereally a positive thing. But there's definitely like, yeah, 0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:42.759 there's still an element of like, hey, I know I 0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:44.880 know that course really well. I know I've played it 0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:46.759 really well, but now can I play it really well 0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:51.480 on a major in my in my backyard? And uh yeah, 0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:53.719 hopefully that can. I mean I played played well there 0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:56.560 last year in the in the wells, and honestly, I 0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:58.120 don't feel like this stuff's gonna be a ton different. 0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:00.719 I mean it mean, quihol awake up when it's ready 0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:03.640 to go. You know, it's always it's ready to go. 0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:06.840 And uh, new tea on nine, that's going to be 0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:11.399 pretty pretty spicy. That hole is like five point fifteen now, 0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:16.680 it was like four eighty five before, so actually becomes 0:46:16.719 --> 0:46:19.120 tough to kind of get past the corner. I don't 0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:20.560 know if you can pitch that hole, but guys kind 0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:22.440 of driving it to the top of that hill bunkers 0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:25.759 and play on the right. I've yet to come close 0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:28.319 to that bunker from that back tee. Now it's been 0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:31.479 the winter in Charlotte, but it's it's a bit more 0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:34.160 demanding off the team because now it really needs to 0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:37.399 be kind of a center to right center. And uh 0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:39.959 but for a guy like Rory's not gonna think twice, 0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:42.200 He's still going to go up in that corner. I 0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:44.440 don't I don't think Johnny was too thrilled with the 0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:47.560 Bunker on sixteen still being flyable last year. We had 0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:49.160 a little bit of tailwin last year and it was 0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:51.680 three forty. But like, I mean, he's the only guy 0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:54.319 flying it, but like he's flying it with the lead 0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:57.239 on Sunday and you're like, God, I just put that 0:46:57.280 --> 0:46:59.839 bunker in new bunker, rand new bunker, brand new tea. 0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:02.799 This is supposed to be a right. 0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:04.520 We just got a parking lot behind the t so 0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:06.040 we can still room. 0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:06.759 Go back. 0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:09.080 Marty, we were talking before we got going about home 0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:11.120 games and you had a funny story about playing when 0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:13.399 you played the Phoenix Open. But what were you saying 0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:15.240 that The weirdest part of it was when you're driving 0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:15.600 back home. 0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:18.320 Yeah, just driving into my neighborhood and all my neighbors 0:47:18.360 --> 0:47:20.919 and I got the courtesy car, and I'm like, what's 0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:22.839 this guy doing? You know, they don't know, they don't 0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:24.920 know I'm a golfer, you know, I'm just a neighbor 0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:25.359 to them. 0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:29.800 Yeah, I'll return this one on Sunday regular. 0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:31.120 Yeah, that was so fun. 0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:32.880 What were you driving in F one fifty? 0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:36.520 It was the It was an SUV that CV suv. 0:47:36.640 --> 0:47:38.640 I think it was a Ford sev okay, but I 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:42.200 mean it's it's it's plastered. You came, you know, they 0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:44.920 probably they probably thought I was hosting a player for 0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:45.279 the week. 0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:49.640 They're staying with me this week, Mackenzie. We appreciate the time, 0:47:49.640 --> 0:47:52.800 Good luck the rest of the season, and yeah, always 0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:54.520 fun to watch it play and good chat with you. 0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:56.360 Yeah, thanks Shane, Thanks mar Join it. 0:47:56.640 --> 0:48:01.320 This is the Pingk Proving Grounds Podcast.