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Speaker 1: The guys from Ping.

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Speaker 2: They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters.

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Speaker 3: I just love that I can hit any.

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Speaker 1: Shot I kind of want. We're gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: tell some fun stories about what goes on here to

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Speaker 1: help golfers play better golf.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping prooven Grounds podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Shane Bacon, joined as always by Marty Jerts and

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Speaker 2: Marty we got one of the nice guys on tour

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Speaker 2: joining us day Atckenzie Hughes. McKenzie a lot of podcast

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Speaker 2: Have you had a lot of podcast spots in your life?

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Speaker 3: I feel like since since COVID, I feel like podcasts

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Speaker 3: have taken off, and I feel like since then, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I feel like the podcast I've been on quite a

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Speaker 3: few since then, and but like prior to that, I

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Speaker 3: don't feel like there was as many, and I feel

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Speaker 3: like now it's yeah, it's coming up more and more

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Speaker 3: requests and first time beyond a ping podcast, I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: Are you a podcast listener?

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Speaker 3: If I have the right drive, I will, And if

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Speaker 3: my kids aren't in the car, which is few and

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Speaker 3: far between, usually it's the kids TV is going in

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Speaker 3: but uh, do you like a good podcast? And I

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Speaker 3: feel like it can like if you've got on the

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Speaker 1: What type of podcasts are you into health and fitness stuff?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: I like those uh you know those self improvement ones

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Speaker 3: or motivational ones. I mean like maybe like an ed

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Speaker 3: my Leb podcast or I actually listened listened to a

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Speaker 3: podcast Jason Bateman will our Net SmartLess. Yeah, so good,

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Speaker 3: that's a good podcast. Those guys are funny. Uh So,

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Speaker 3: it just kind of depends on what my mood is.

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Speaker 2: You know, like a maple leaf steal. Do you do hockey?

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Speaker 3: Yea sometimes you know hockey podcasts or like those guys

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Speaker 3: But there's tons of good podcasts out there now and

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think a lot of the ping proven Grounds

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Speaker 1: podcast listeners they're very into the kind of we talk

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Speaker 1: tech stuff, golf, product design, club fitting to our your interview,

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Speaker 1: so this is gonna be a fun one, yeah, Mac

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Speaker 1: to kind of go into some of the details your gear.

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Speaker 1: I think how you train, get ready for tournaments. Y.

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Speaker 1: I'm personally very interested in your journey going from and

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Speaker 1: I've talked to Mike Carro, a little bit mutual friend

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Speaker 1: kind of boost your ball speed in what you're doing

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Speaker 2: When you think about like speed, because speed's become such

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Speaker 2: They're running four threes, four fours, Marty. I wanted to

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Speaker 2: How do you talk to people that are using stack

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where we have when in our training, we

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Speaker 1: And then one big thing we like to do, which

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Speaker 3: Speed to the court carry number, but really just a

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Speaker 2: like you're pushing golf down their throat at the same

433
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Speaker 2: time kind of wanting you know, like I'm dealing this

434
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Speaker 2: with my son right now, it's like wanting them to

435
00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,000
Speaker 2: play golf with you.

436
00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:00,119
Speaker 3: Ye.

437
00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,680
Speaker 2: So the balance is always kind of tough to to

438
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,160
Speaker 2: really refine. But it's cool that you're at a place

439
00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,159
Speaker 2: now where it seems like there's a yeah, there's kind

440
00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:07,919
Speaker 2: of good synergy there.

441
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,240
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. I mean, like I have no I don't,

442
00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,040
Speaker 3: I don't care one way or the other. You know,

443
00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,159
Speaker 3: like I just wanted to him to experience all those things,

444
00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,480
Speaker 3: experience all those sports and then just let him decide

445
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,439
Speaker 3: he might not like golf, but he might love it,

446
00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,000
Speaker 3: and if he does, that'd be a huge bonus, you know.

447
00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,520
Speaker 2: Now the bandon trip's an easier sell to exact.

448
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,720
Speaker 1: Well, that's where my head, that's where this whole question started.

449
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me get to sixteen. Then we're gonna go

450
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Speaker 2: on a family trip Tobandon.

451
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Speaker 3: And then you know, my wife she's got a set

452
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Speaker 3: up things as well, so you know she's wanting to

453
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Speaker 3: get into it as well. But at the same time,

454
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,960
Speaker 3: she has the three small kids right, you know, at

455
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Speaker 3: home all the time, so like even that, it's like,

456
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:49,959
Speaker 3: when's the time for her to go? You know, But

457
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,040
Speaker 3: there will be a time and she will get into

458
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Speaker 3: it at some point, and it'll be fun if we

459
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,439
Speaker 3: can do that in the family setting and just go

460
00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 3: to quail, play nine holes, have dinner, and even if

461
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,360
Speaker 3: it's just play three hold four holes, but just to

462
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,119
Speaker 3: do it together and make it a you know, a

463
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Speaker 3: group effort and where were all together, that'd be that'd

464
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:07,359
Speaker 3: be cool.

465
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Speaker 1: One day, super fun. Speak of sports, what were your sports?

466
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Speaker 1: What what was your sports? And when'd you kind of

467
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Speaker 1: go in on all in on golf growing up?

468
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Speaker 3: So I think you know, I was kind of like

469
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Speaker 3: my song where like, growing up, I played a little

470
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Speaker 3: bit of baseball early, probably only like you know, let's

471
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Speaker 3: say a three or four year window where I played baseball,

472
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 3: played hockey growing up until I was like fourteen years old,

473
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Speaker 3: which is kind of a right, a passage in Canada. Yeah,

474
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Speaker 3: let's see, I played I played a little bit of

475
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Speaker 3: volleyball in high school, you know, in the winter months,

476
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Speaker 3: and so I I really kind of I did soccer

477
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 3: as well, but I was kind of doing a little

478
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 3: bit of everything, tasted a little bit of everything. But

479
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 3: I kind of found out, like around like the twelve

480
00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,160
Speaker 3: thirteen year mark, that I didn't love team sports quite

481
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,160
Speaker 3: as much. And I was playing golf at that time.

482
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,679
Speaker 3: I loved what golf asked of you because I felt like,

483
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 3: you know, I'd go to the course and I could

484
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,679
Speaker 3: spend five six hours by myself practicing and playing, and like,

485
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 3: I like, I found enjoyment in that. I found like

486
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:24,400
Speaker 3: that the solitude was nice, and like I'm a social

487
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 3: person with also you know a little bit of that

488
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 3: intrinsic uh, you know, personality as well, where I can

489
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 3: actually do quite well, like on my on my own

490
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 3: for quite quite a while, and I found like golf

491
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 3: just like you know, it was so peaceful, and I

492
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 3: loved that golf was like just on you, you know,

493
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 3: like you go, put the time in, you go, you

494
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 3: go do some work, like but you know whether it's

495
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 3: going great or going poorly, like it was on your shoulders.

496
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Speaker 3: And like I felt like with team sports sometimes you

497
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 3: get stuck with like teammates who didn't like or you know,

498
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 3: these guys are putting in tons of affork these guys aren't.

499
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 3: So I just I don't know that that was a

500
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 3: big part about drew me to golf too. And but

501
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 3: I did try quite a few sports growing up. When

502
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 3: I was playing hockey at thirteen fourteen, I hadn't really

503
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 3: hit a gross spurt yet and like, youth sports can

504
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 3: be kind of tough. Like I'm trying to picture like

505
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 3: well with comparison and be like football in the States,

506
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 3: maybe yeah, but like you're eleven, twelve years old and

507
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 3: you're playing football, Well, there's like twelve year olds that

508
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 3: are six feet tall and one hundred and sixty five

509
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy pounds, and then there's twelve year olds

510
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 3: that are five foot two and one hundred and twenty pounds,

511
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 3: and I was that that kid, you know, I was

512
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Speaker 3: the small, you know, twelve year old, thirteen year old

513
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 3: and I found like I'm playing hockey and I'm just

514
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 3: I'm getting pushed around here, and I'm like, eah, golf

515
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 3: might be for me. Yeah, golf. Golf sounds a little better.

516
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Speaker 3: And when I was like fourteen, I hit a big

517
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 3: gross spurt and I was like, I basically grew like

518
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 3: eight inches in a year. I went from like being

519
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 3: five foot three to almost six feet tall in a year.

520
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 3: And then playing golf, I was like, oh, this is great,

521
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 3: Like I'm hit the ball way further, and I went,

522
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 3: you know, from kind of poking it out there to

523
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 3: hit in some pretty big drives at fifteen years old.

524
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 3: And but I think it's like when I talk to

525
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 3: people now, like I feel like I get that question

526
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 3: a lot. Hey McKenzie, my youngest son's playing golf. He's

527
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 3: eight or nine, Like, what do you what do you

528
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 3: recommend for him? I'm like, don't don't specialize in golf now,

529
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 3: don't don't limit him to just golf at eight or

530
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Speaker 3: nine years old. Play let him play sports, let them

531
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Speaker 3: let him be a kid, because you don't need to

532
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 3: do golf twenty four to seven to be really good

533
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 3: at golf at that age, and they're gonna become sick

534
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 3: of it. You're gonna you're gonna you're gonna grow out

535
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: of the sport.

536
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

537
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Speaker 3: I feel like if you're pushed into it or you're

538
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 3: forced to basically only do golf at that age. And

539
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 3: uh So I tell people all the time and tell parents, like,

540
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 3: keep your kids in a lot of sports, like let

541
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Speaker 3: them have the balance and let them decide a little

542
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 3: later on, like what it is they want to do,

543
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 3: because they might not want to do golf. But if

544
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 3: you push them into golf, I don't think that's how

545
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 3: you have success. Like if you don't want to play

546
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,959
Speaker 3: golf and your kid doesn't want anything, like they're not

547
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: gonna like you have to want They have to want it.

548
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 3: And I always wanted when I was a kid, my

549
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 3: parents weren't taking me the course. I was like, hey, mom,

550
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 3: like take me take me the course. I want to go, Yeah,

551
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 3: pick me up a dark you know. But if your

552
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 3: kids aren't telling you that, there's probably you know, there's

553
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 3: probably a reason why. And so I encourage parents all

554
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 3: the time, like, hey, let's let's let a lot your

555
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 3: kids play sports. Let them play what they want to play,

556
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 3: and at maybe thirteen fourteen years old, they go, hey,

557
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 3: they'll fit that I really like golf, and maybe I

558
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: want to play a little baseball or I want to

559
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 3: play a little basketball. I'm going to like narrow it down.

560
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 3: But they will tell you, you know, they're smart.

561
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: Versus them being pushed in the corner. By the way,

562
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: you mentioned football being like the hockey version, I was

563
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 2: the same way. I was really small until like ninth

564
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: grade and I grew, yeah, eighth grade, about five foot tall.

565
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: And I went around the corner catching a pass and

566
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: this guy that played safety at Baylor hit me helmet

567
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: off fumble. That was the end of my football.

568
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: That was it.

569
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Speaker 2: I was like, this is I'm not doing this anymore.

570
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: This is I you realize quickly, maybe golf is going

571
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: to be my sport, or maybe ten it's going to

572
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 2: be sport, but I'm sure not going to be this

573
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: sport because it's not for me. Yeah it's a yeah,

574
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's I think that's a good message

575
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: out there because I think we live in a society

576
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: now where I want my kid to be this. They

577
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: need to do this all the time. It's not really

578
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: how we work. I mean, we change interests and you

579
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 2: know as adults, right yea.

580
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Speaker 3: And I feel like the the culture around sports is

581
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 3: definitely different in the United States. I mean there's there's

582
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 3: definite I definitely notice that coming from Canada, that the

583
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 3: intensity and the focus around sports, especially at a young age,

584
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 3: like it's ramped up quickly. Like my son was playing

585
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 3: baseball this past fall, was barely seven years old, and

586
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 3: the coaches out there arguing calls in the mound with

587
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 3: the other and I'm like, I'm like, I can assure you,

588
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 3: these kids don't care that much. Let's let's let it.

589
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 3: Let's let it go right, right, and the parents, you

590
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 3: care more than they care. The parents really don't care,

591
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 3: so like let's let's move on. But yeah, I just

592
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 3: think that that can kind of like take away from

593
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 3: they can take a take away from the kids enjoyment

594
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 3: of it if it becomes too serious too early. And uh,

595
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 3: look at seven, eight, nine years old. Yeah, I mean

596
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 3: we're not moving mountains like. These kids are just there

597
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 3: to have fun, learn the game, you know, And god,

598
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 3: I just think it gets it gets too serious. Too

599
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 3: quickly in my opinion, looking at it from the outside,

600
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: like I see parents, you know, working with their kids

601
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 3: of the course and doing certain things, and I'm like,

602
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 3: and I don't. I don't step in. It's not my place.

603
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 3: But you know, I see it. I can see it

604
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 3: from the outside a lot. And you know, I just

605
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: think if if it was me giving advice, I'd say, hey,

606
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 3: you know, I think less is more at that age.

607
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 3: Let them have fun, lumby kids and then they figured out.

608
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: Mackenzie, I wanna we talked a little bit about your

609
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: distance gains and how important that's been to you. I

610
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: think it's been incredible. Looking at your short game stats

611
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: over your entire career stroke uh strokes gained around the

612
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: green strokes game putting, your stats have been incredible. What

613
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: do you do to kind of maintain? Have you always

614
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: been a good putter, even before you got on tour?

615
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: And then what do you do to kind of maintain

616
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: What do you think your strengths are from a putting standpoint.

617
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 3: So I'd say, like, before I got on tour, I

618
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 3: felt I was a good putter, but I would have

619
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: been classified as a streaky putter, I think, but I

620
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 3: got got hot at times, but you know, week to

621
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 3: week it wasn't where I wanted to be playing corn

622
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: Fery Tour. And then I felt like my rookie year

623
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 3: on tour, I found I found something, And from that

624
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: point on, I'd say, I've been, you know, one of

625
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 3: the better partters out here for the last you know,

626
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: six seven, eight years.

627
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: You would you find.

628
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 3: You know, I can't really pinpoint, to be honest, what

629
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 3: I found uh that particular year, but I found a

630
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 3: feeling my stroke, and I to be honest, I put

631
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: differently now, but I found a feeling my stroke, and

632
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: for whatever reason that it just felt really good. I

633
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 3: was able to kind of ride that out for a

634
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 3: long time. But I made a ton of putts and

635
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: the hole started to look big to me.

636
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: It started it wasn't a grip change or a stroke

637
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 2: change anything necessarily.

638
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 3: Just something click, a little feel, and then I started

639
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 3: to like roll a few like weeks together where I

640
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: was like, man, I'm making a lot of nice putts,

641
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 3: a lot of mid range putts, and then it just

642
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: kind of felt like that became a little more normal.

643
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: It just felt like making putts was like a normal

644
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: thing for me. And then I just kind of stumbled

645
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 3: that confidence. And like, to be honest, when I look

646
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 3: back at my stroke from my rookie year, I don't

647
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: like it. But I was the eighth ranked plot around

648
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: tour that year. I just I was aiming left when

649
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: I was pushing it online, but I did every single time.

650
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: And uh, I've kind of you know, straightened out since then.

651
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: But like the confidence I built for my year like that,

652
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: it's like still carried with me. Like I saw the

653
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 3: blogging a whole lot, and i'd I'd have weeks where I,

654
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: you know, gained three, four or five strokes putting and

655
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: that was like a big jump up for me that

656
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: that rookie year. And yeah, like I say, like now

657
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 3: to like maintain where I'm at with my putting, I

658
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: really feel like it's I do the same thing almost

659
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: every single day, so and I don't do anything really fancy,

660
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: but like I just I start my day with, you know,

661
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 3: start line straight left to right, right to left. I'll

662
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: do that for fifteen minutes. And I do the same

663
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: like three or four drills every day, uh speed short

664
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 3: putt drills. But I don't I don't really vary my

665
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: routine hardly at all. And then as far as like

666
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: what I focus on when I'm on the course, my like,

667
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 3: my focus is really down to like what I can

668
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: control in my box, So I call it like my

669
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 3: my I'm in my playbox right over the ball, and

670
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: like I'm really someone that's very process oriented with like, hey,

671
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: if I like check those boxes off, I can accept

672
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: the outcome over here. So I'm not like a guy

673
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 3: that says, hey, like miss make good, put bad putt.

674
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I missed this butt from eight feet.

675
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 3: I had a great putt. I did what I was

676
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: trying to do, great putt, you know. And I feel

677
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 3: like that actually helps from a confidence standpoint, because if

678
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: I was just based on my confidence on miss make well,

679
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be very confident because you miss a lot

680
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: more puts than you make. So I feel like you

681
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 3: can gain confidence hitting a putt from ten feet that

682
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,719
Speaker 3: you feel like you rolled it well, did what you're

683
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: trying to do. I miss, but I did what I

684
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: was trying to do. So I think that's something that's

685
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: helped me. And something I kind of try to tell

686
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: amateurs sometimes is like, hey, you know, you missed that

687
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 3: twelve foot putt, But like the odds are you were

688
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 3: going to miss that putt? So like, I don't know

689
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 3: why you're mad, Like you hit a good butt over

690
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 3: the over the right edge, Like, oh I should have

691
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: made that putt. No, you shouldn't have. You you're a

692
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: twelve handicap. You know, it's the twelve foot put My

693
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: odds are probably thirty percent or forty percent to make

694
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: that putt. Your odds are fifteen percent.

695
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, So I was gonna say. I mean that,

696
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: like to your point, it feels like amateurs struggle with

697
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: accepting like the percentages.

698
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a big thing. Like if you

699
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: could lay out ahead of time, Hey, before you hit

700
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 3: this butt this fifteen foot, realize you are a one

701
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 3: and twenty chance of making this putt for like a

702
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: twelve handicap, right, Like if I lay that out to

703
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: you right now, Like, that's gonna change the way you

704
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 3: approach that butt.

705
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: Probably, yeah, just trying to hit itid maybe it goes in.

706
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all with good speed, right, get on a

707
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: reasonable line and you two butt. You've probably like exceeded

708
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: the expectations, you know. But I think the mentality is,

709
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: like I watch on TV, it's got they make them

710
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 3: all the time. You know, all leaders make these puts

711
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: all the time. But like again, you show the guys

712
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: playing the best every week, and when you guys flipped

713
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: it to a shot, you typically aren't going to like

714
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: many misses.

715
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: Right, you know, like you guys Saturday, you're not going

716
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: to show an eight foot or miss.

717
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

718
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: So we watched guys making putts all the time, and

719
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: I think people are programmed to think, oh, ten foot putt.

720
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 3: You just you make these like they're like free throws, right,

721
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: they're not.

722
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: And the greens were smoother on tour.

723
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we put on better, We put it very good.

724
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's actually a sneaky good point too.

725
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: It was like when their cars down, for sure going

726
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: to go, but golf course go down.

727
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: I want to hear the father in law cell phone

728
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: bill story. Can you tell that for us if you

729
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: don't mind.

730
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was playing at corn Fair events in

731
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: New York.

732
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: It was at this this what years is like twenty.

733
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: Sixteen, uh peak and peak and uh this actually the

734
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: year I got my tour card. And this is actually

735
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: a great story because so I'm like three or four out,

736
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: I do the Monday qualifier, and I started the year

737
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: with a full card, had the first eight eight starts

738
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 3: or so, hadn't played great in the first like third

739
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 3: of the year, was on the outside looking in. Monday

740
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 3: qualified but missed. I got into my number.

741
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: The next day.

742
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: So Tuesday, I get in the tournament, don't have a

743
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: cally lined up. My buddy Keith from Canada comes up,

744
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 3: calls for me, and first day, just to kind of

745
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: a prelude to the story, he puts his running shoes

746
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: on top of the car, the car next to us,

747
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 3: and we pulled out of our house that week, we're

748
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: staying at my in laws and we pull out of

749
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: the driveway and he's wearing his broking Stock sandals, but

750
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: he leaves his shoes on the other car. So we

751
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: get to the course morning tea time Thursday, and he's

752
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: squeaking down the first hole is with his sandals on,

753
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 3: barefoot and the sandals just adding for me run kind

754
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,479
Speaker 3: of walking through the rough feet are soaked. I'm like, sweet,

755
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: nice job, dude, you had one in your shoes. Next time,

756
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: So Friday, so I shoot even part of the first

757
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: day and the cut is going to be low. It's

758
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: probably going to be you know, five or six under.

759
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: So I needed to go out there and shoot you know,

760
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 3: a really low round on on Friday. And my father

761
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 3: in law we're sitting there at the house on Thursday night,

762
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: and at this point, my wife and I are still

763
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: on the family Plan. So I'm I think I'm twenty

764
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 3: five years old and I somehow manage to get my

765
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: way onto the family plan. And so my father in

766
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 3: law's playing paying the phone bill and he goes, all right,

767
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 3: I'll make you a deal. You can stay on the

768
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 3: stay on the on the family plan for another year

769
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 3: if you shoot six hundred tomorrow. So I'm like, all right,

770
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: that's a that's a fair deal. And we're going down

771
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 3: the last hole. I finished on number nine. I hit

772
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: the shot in there to like eight feet and at

773
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 3: this point, I'm now I'm thinking about it, like I've

774
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 3: now I'm like, oh, you thought up a frid with

775
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 3: that bet. So yeah, now I've made I've made the cut.

776
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 3: I've we got like I think a shot to spare

777
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 3: got Birdie putt in the last hole and I just

778
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 3: sent or cut it and I look over there, like

779
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: one hundred yards down the fairway, and I was like

780
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 3: doing one of these and uh, you know my wife's

781
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 3: obviously each year and and uh it was it was

782
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 3: super funny. But yeah, that's a that's a cool story.

783
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 2: How how long did you get the bill? Paid for

784
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: it for another year?

785
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 3: Another year? Plan?

786
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: So they kick you off? What what what happened to

787
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: get you kicked off the bill?

788
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 3: I think later that year got my tour card and

789
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 3: I was like, you're like, yeah, you're good now, you know,

790
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 3: you guys are fine. So but it was that's a

791
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 3: cool story, that's.

792
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: That's that's great, And you played well the rest of

793
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: the week.

794
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, I actually finished fifth that week, which

795
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: like it was a big week for me, got me

796
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 3: like in the next kind of wave of tournaments. And

797
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: then a month and a half later I won and

798
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 3: then got my tour card. So it was it's crazy

799
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: how like you're on the outside looking in. Yeah, you're

800
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 3: not sure if you're gonna get played that week, you

801
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 3: play well, a month later, you win and you're on

802
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 3: the tour and it's like it just like boom, it happens.

803
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: And you feel like, you know, a month prior to that,

804
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 3: like you kind of feel like you're in the woods

805
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 3: and all of.

806
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: A sudden, you're almost questioning, like what should I be doing?

807
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: All of a sudden? Can I do this?

808
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 3: Am I?

809
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: You know?

810
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 3: Am I at this level? Can I have that breakthrough?

811
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 3: And then a month later I win, And then two

812
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 3: months later I went on tour and you're just like, wait,

813
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure I was good enough.

814
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: That little world.

815
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't have to work about eighteen and

816
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: TV anymore.

817
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 3: It's crazy what that little bit of belief and self

818
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: confidence does like. But from actually doing it, it's one

819
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 3: thing like to say, hey, I'm I am good enough,

820
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: but like once you see it and it like you

821
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 3: have that like that that peak and peak was the

822
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 3: kind of a bit of a breakthrough performance for me

823
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: where I'm like, hey, I was like on the outskirts

824
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,959
Speaker 3: of contention here and had a chance to somewhat win there,

825
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 3: And that was like a big one for me where

826
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, I can't do this. And then I went

827
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 3: on the corn Ferry and then when I was on

828
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: the I had the lead at the RSM that year

829
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I just won two months ago. I

830
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: mean I can do this, but like the guys say

831
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: month ago, like you know it wasn't sure right right,

832
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 3: So it's just it's crazy how it just like it

833
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: clicks and it's like okay, I can't do this, and yeah,

834
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: hello world, right.

835
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: And you wanted a big playoff?

836
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

837
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

838
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: It was that five five man playoff and it went

839
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 3: in went to Monday morning.

840
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: Do you guys play all five or did you split up?

841
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 3: So we played all five awesome, played two holes on

842
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 3: Sunday night, and then ran out of light. Had to

843
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: come back Monday morning, but we lost one on the

844
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 3: first playoff hole I think, and then came back the

845
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: next morning to play one more hole. So but even that,

846
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: like you know, I look back and I you know,

847
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: the fact that I won that playoff, you know, the

848
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 3: way it played out like was just it was just

849
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: so like the stats would just be like there's no chance,

850
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 3: like it just so I like, I hit it long

851
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 3: left and I pitched up and I almost see the

852
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: great shot. I left it just shore of the green

853
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: and I had like a sixteen foot plot from the

854
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: fringe and everyone I had missed the green. I mean,

855
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 3: this is like one hundred and ninety five yards forty

856
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 3: two degrees wins off the right, Like this is the

857
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 3: first swing of the day and everyone misses the green

858
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 3: and everyone gets inside me, so everyone's got a putt

859
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: from inside me. I'm the first first to go, and

860
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: I'm thinking to myself, well, like, you know, if I

861
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: can make this, like I can put the heat on,

862
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: and sure enough I make it. And I watched the

863
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 3: three guys miss and but like, but at no point

864
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 3: when I made the putt was I like I just won.

865
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 3: I was like, maggot, I get to play one more, right, yeah,

866
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 3: And I'm like, is it gonna be two guys one?

867
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 3: But like one of these guys is gonna make it?

868
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 3: And you know once once, like the first guy missed,

869
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: but I'm like, Kayler's so two. And then it didn't

870
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 3: hit me till the second guy missed. I'm like, oh.

871
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 2: Shit, Like you know who the last guy was to putt?

872
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: Camillo? Okay, so Camilla had like a six foot putt

873
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: and he's above the whole kind of a little bit

874
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: of like a soft left to righter and uh, that

875
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 3: was the first moment I allowed myself to think, oh,

876
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: if this ball doesn't go and I win, and I'm

877
00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 3: like no, no, no, he's gonna make it. We're gonna

878
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: go at eighteen and then blinks and he misses it,

879
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 3: and I'm like, wow, I was just like what just happened? Yeah,

880
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: you know, so crazy crazy stuff.

881
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: Well, you're probably we talked about your putting, how good

882
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: that's been, and uh, what about your wedge setup? I

883
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: find it's very unique. You're you play your law budge

884
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: at sixty three degrees? Is that right?

885
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

886
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: So how long have you been doing that? And I'm

887
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: always curious because I've hit a sixty four sixty three occasionally,

888
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: like how far can you max that out if you

889
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: hit it full? And do you hit it full shots

890
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: with him much?

891
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: I actually do, because I find that there's just there

892
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 3: is a time when you want to hit something that's

893
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 3: like ninety ninety five yards or even one hundred yards

894
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 3: that like has a lot of spin on front pin

895
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 3: with you know, a firm green Yeah, so I can

896
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: max that out at about one hundred yards.

897
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 1: Wow.

898
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, sixty three degree?

899
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, geez, I'd be like eighty maybe.

900
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: I'm.

901
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: You know, and obviously, like you know, you're putting it

902
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 3: back in your stance, it's a bit's a bit more backfooted. Yeah,

903
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 3: that ball cannot be foard of your stance at all,

904
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 3: where it's it's going like this, so and I don't

905
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: do it a ton, you know, where I'm ever like

906
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 3: maxing that club up. But like again, like there will

907
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 3: be a time this week where I will max that

908
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: club out because it will get firm by the weekend

909
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 3: all of a shot from one hundred yards the will

910
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit of helping win. And I'll want

911
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: that ball to have as much spin as if it

912
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 3: could possibly have it. Whereas if I hit that fifty

913
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: six and I'm taking fifteen yards off it and trying

914
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: to control a hit a three quarter shot, that ball

915
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 3: could bounce, bounce, bounce to check and be thirty feet

916
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 3: past the hole quickly. So you know, I think it's

917
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: important to have that ability to stop it quick at times.

918
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: And I always felt like around the greens, I wanted

919
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 3: to have as much loft as possible with a particular

920
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: club because I always know I can go down and

921
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 3: loft if I need to hit a low a low shot,

922
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 3: you know, I can go to fifty six, I can

923
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 3: go to gap, or I can put the low wedge

924
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: back in my stants. I can always decrease that loft.

925
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: But like adding and creating excess loft. On tour, I

926
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 3: feel like around the greens is a big advantage because

927
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 3: we play a lot of four pinch, you know, four

928
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: steps from the right, three from the right firm short

929
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 3: sighted a lot. Like to me on tour, it became

930
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: a huge advantage to have all that height, all that

931
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: speed and spin because like you know, at sixty or

932
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 3: fifty eight degrees, yeah, it's great, but like at sixty three.

933
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: You look at that club and you go, hoole.

934
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 3: Man, I can get basically any pin around these greens.

935
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 3: And so I felt like I was playing with sixty

936
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: two and I ended up adding a degree of loft.

937
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 3: And I've never really regretted it, and I've just kind

938
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 3: of gone with it. And like I said, you, when

939
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: I'm pitching with that club, you wouldn't know it's sixty three,

940
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: like you'd watching around the greens. Ah, you're just kind

941
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: of pitching with it like a sixty or fifty eight.

942
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: Put it back of my stance. I drive them. But

943
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 3: then when I need to, you know, I can get

944
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 3: that ball up in the air quick.

945
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: When did when did the when did you go from

946
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: did you grow up using a sixty? Like when did

947
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: you go to.

948
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 3: I was always like a pitching wedge. Fifty two, fifty six,

949
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: sixty guys, sixty yeah, nice and clean, and then I just,

950
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 3: you know, I was kind of messing around one time

951
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: and I just feel like, I think it was my

952
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 3: last Caddie was just like, hey, why don't you just

953
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 3: like add them off to that long We're just like,

954
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 3: we can always like take it down, but let's just

955
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 3: see if we like it a little more. I think

956
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 3: I started at sixty two and I was like, Hey,

957
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 3: how far can we go with this? I'm like, yeah,

958
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 3: sixty three, Like that's probably both as much as you

959
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 3: want to go.

960
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: And so it's gonna if you thought sixty four, sixty five?

961
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, is there? What's the legal limit? What's the legal

962
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 3: is there?

963
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: Oh? No, you can go to anything? Yeah right yeah,

964
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: really ball just slip right up the face, but you

965
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: can do it.

966
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: What are you the most loft? But you could play

967
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: with and like, actually, what would be reasonable? I think

968
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: you had sixty eighth reason loft?

969
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: Like, well, that's why I'm very curious of it, because

970
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: it's rare to play. I've wanted sixty three. There's not

971
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: a lot of guys out there doing it because the

972
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: ball starts to like you get into the friction between

973
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: the ball and the face, and the ball starts to

974
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: just slip more than grip. Yeah, And in order to

975
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: get spin, you need the ball to kind of stick

976
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: on the face. That's the grip force. Yeah, but you

977
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: have to have a lot of speed to do it

978
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 1: to get it to grip. This is why you see

979
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: Phil and Bubba. Now you the high speed players of

980
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: the world. You know, using the high lofted wedge, you

981
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: get a little more spin around the greens. But I

982
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: think you could you you know, I don't know. You

983
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: hit a flop shot, you've got the face open to

984
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: like eighty eighty five degrees, probably right, if you're really

985
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: sending one up there. Yeah.

986
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: How many guys do you think on tour have more

987
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: than sixty?

988
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: I think it's probably under ten percent, under ten percent. Yeah.

989
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's going to go that way, just

990
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: as as we get longer and longer and longer, I

991
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 2: wonder if guys are going to creep into the sixty

992
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: three sixty four to sixty five degree world.

993
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 3: Well, and I think too, I mean, if I'm if

994
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: you're if you're a guy that cruises at one eighty

995
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 3: five ball speed. I would want to have an extra wedge. Yeah,

996
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 3: not a not a not a three shirt, you know

997
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 3: what I mean? Ye Like, for a guy like that,

998
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: it's more valuable to have tighter gaps at those wedges

999
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: and all to a wedge that you could hit from

1000
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 3: one hundred and five yards or one hundred and ten

1001
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: yards but hit a full right and create tons of spin.

1002
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: I think that's probably the way it would It would

1003
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: creep because guys now just have so much speed and

1004
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 3: those opportunities to hit those wedges become more prevalent.

1005
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: Could be laying out a new trend. This could be

1006
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: the next trend of the professional golf problem. As we

1007
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: wind out, I wanted to ask how pumped you to

1008
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 2: have a major at home this year?

1009
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: Really pumps? That's uh. We talked about that being very

1010
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: unique just to have.

1011
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: I mean your home tournament.

1012
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, a tournament in your own backyard is one thing.

1013
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: A major at your home course that's a that's a

1014
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 3: weird one, but be super fun. Just to have the

1015
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 3: clumb club support, to be in your own bed, Yeah,

1016
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: that's going to be really cool.

1017
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: Pressure Like, do you do you feel added amount of

1018
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 2: like I've got to play well, I've got to make

1019
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 2: the cut, like I've got to do those things.

1020
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 3: You definitely feel those things. But I think that's normal,

1021
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 3: and I think that as as that we comes closer,

1022
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 3: I'll you know, I'll talk to my guy and my

1023
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 3: team and and you know, and we'll we'll basically, you know,

1024
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 3: come to grips with like hey, yeah, you're gonna want

1025
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 3: to do well because it's your home course and everything

1026
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 3: like that, but like this is no different than the

1027
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 3: other week, and you you have to have the mentality

1028
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 3: I think of like embracing that, like, hey, I'm going

1029
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: to see a bunch of people that know me and

1030
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: everyone's gonna want me to do well. That's fun, you know,

1031
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 3: like look at it. Look at it like a positive Yeah,

1032
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 3: hey I'm not actually extra support and whether I play

1033
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: great or don't, like they're behind me, rather than viewing

1034
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 3: it like, oh man, I got to play well my

1035
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 3: home course. Like so if you if you can kind

1036
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: of frame it the right way, I think it's it's

1037
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 3: a it's rereally a positive thing. But there's definitely like, yeah,

1038
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 3: there's still an element of like, hey, I know I

1039
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 3: know that course really well. I know I've played it

1040
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 3: really well, but now can I play it really well

1041
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: on a major in my in my backyard? And uh yeah,

1042
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: hopefully that can. I mean I played played well there

1043
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: last year in the in the wells, and honestly, I

1044
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: don't feel like this stuff's gonna be a ton different.

1045
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 3: I mean it mean, quihol awake up when it's ready

1046
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: to go. You know, it's always it's ready to go.

1047
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 3: And uh, new tea on nine, that's going to be

1048
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 3: pretty pretty spicy. That hole is like five point fifteen now,

1049
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: it was like four eighty five before, so actually becomes

1050
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 3: tough to kind of get past the corner. I don't

1051
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: know if you can pitch that hole, but guys kind

1052
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: of driving it to the top of that hill bunkers

1053
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 3: and play on the right. I've yet to come close

1054
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: to that bunker from that back tee. Now it's been

1055
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,479
Speaker 3: the winter in Charlotte, but it's it's a bit more

1056
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: demanding off the team because now it really needs to

1057
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 3: be kind of a center to right center. And uh

1058
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,959
Speaker 3: but for a guy like Rory's not gonna think twice,

1059
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: He's still going to go up in that corner. I

1060
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 3: don't I don't think Johnny was too thrilled with the

1061
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 3: Bunker on sixteen still being flyable last year. We had

1062
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: a little bit of tailwin last year and it was

1063
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: three forty. But like, I mean, he's the only guy

1064
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 3: flying it, but like he's flying it with the lead

1065
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: on Sunday and you're like, God, I just put that

1066
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 3: bunker in new bunker, rand new bunker, brand new tea.

1067
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: This is supposed to be a right.

1068
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 3: We just got a parking lot behind the t so

1069
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 3: we can still room.

1070
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: Go back.

1071
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: Marty, we were talking before we got going about home

1072
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: games and you had a funny story about playing when

1073
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 2: you played the Phoenix Open. But what were you saying

1074
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 2: that The weirdest part of it was when you're driving

1075
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: back home.

1076
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, just driving into my neighborhood and all my neighbors

1077
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 1: and I got the courtesy car, and I'm like, what's

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Speaker 1: this guy doing? You know, they don't know, they don't

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Speaker 1: know I'm a golfer, you know, I'm just a neighbor

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Speaker 1: to them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll return this one on Sunday regular.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was so fun.

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00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 3: What were you driving in F one fifty?

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00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: It was the It was an SUV that CV suv.

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00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: I think it was a Ford sev okay, but I

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00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: mean it's it's it's plastered. You came, you know, they

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Speaker 1: probably they probably thought I was hosting a player for

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Speaker 1: the week.

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Speaker 2: They're staying with me this week, Mackenzie. We appreciate the time,

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Speaker 2: Good luck the rest of the season, and yeah, always

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Speaker 2: fun to watch it play and good chat with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Shane, Thanks mar Join it.

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Speaker 2: This is the Pingk Proving Grounds Podcast.