1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: This is Kelly Henderson and you're listening to the Velvet 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Edge podcast. This week, my guest is Sarah Jane Case. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: She is the founder of the Angiogram and Coffee podcast 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: in Instagram. I am personally pretty obsessed with learning about 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: the Angiogram personality test and just seeing how each difference 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: hype reacts and responds to life from their different lenses. 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: It's truly helped me in business and my relationships. And 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: Sarah Jane and I are breaking down the basics of 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: the indiogram and just why it works. She's also helping 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: me to understand all the different facets, which there are 11 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: a lot of different facets to this test um and 12 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: just where to go to learn more. So here's our conversation. Okay, 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: so I need to hear about Angiogram and Coffee because 14 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: you started this this social media side in this podcast 15 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: and within a year you have over how like half 16 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: a million followers. Yeah, it's the same. It's crazy. It 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: really took me by surprise too. I thought I was 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: going to make this account for like my mom and 19 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: my husband to follow and no one else is gonna 20 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: be interested. Yeah, it blew up and it went from 21 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: zero to a hundred thousand and three days. So it 22 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, like how so what what were you 23 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: even posting? Did it just go viral? It went viral. Yeah. 24 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: At the first thing that really took off was like, 25 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: I did Bingo cards for each type is for people 26 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: who might not follow you yet, Yeah, totally. So essentially 27 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: it's just I just made like like a replica of 28 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: a typical Bingo card and then put the number in 29 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: the center and then put like kind of really honestly 30 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: like stereotypes of each number um in the boxes. And 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: because at this time, I wasn't thinking anyone would see it, 32 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,639 Speaker 1: I was just making it for fun, and um, people 33 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: just ran with it and took them and shared them. 34 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: And I think it comes from that place of like 35 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: wanting to be seen. So it's like, oh, I see 36 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: myself in this, and I want other people to see 37 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: me too, um, and it just yeah, people were sharing 38 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: it in their stories and it just went crazy. So 39 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: we mentioned that you have a podcast that I was 40 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: listening to one of them, where you talked about just 41 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: what that felt like and growing so fast, how great 42 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: it was, but also some of the hard things that 43 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: can come from that. Can you talk a little bit 44 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, I mean, I think that it's interesting 45 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: because I think I would have thought before when I 46 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: saw other people go through this, like oh, your entire 47 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: life is different now, and and what it really felt 48 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: like for me on the back end was just kind 49 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: of like panic, Like I was, there's a lot of 50 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: like crying and because I mean it kind of felt 51 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: like my energetic boundaries were being stretched to hold space 52 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: for people at a rapid pace that I kind you know, 53 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: I hadn't prepared for. It wasn't a slow integration. It 54 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: was a rapid shift. And how many people were watching 55 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: me and seeing me and um judging mean thinking about me. 56 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: It was really intimidating, honestly. So what did you do before? 57 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: Because were you in some sort of business consulting kind 58 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah. I was working with business owners and 59 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: primarily helping them to kind of maintain that creative spark, 60 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: work with through burnout or prevent burnout, recover from it, 61 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: um to really create businesses that served like the lifestyle 62 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: they wanted to live instead of letting their business dictate that. 63 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: And I was using the inngiogram a significant amount in 64 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: the last few years of doing that business um, but 65 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: really just trying to get to know business owners and 66 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: help them to edit their businesses down. So when you 67 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: say you're using the angiogram, what do you mean? Yeah, 68 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: so I am. Before I knew the angiogram. What I 69 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: would do is I would get to know that person, right, 70 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: I would say, well, what drives you, what motivates you, 71 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: what de motivates you, what where are you losing momentum? 72 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: Once I found the angiogram, I was able to help 73 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: them see the areas in which they were motivate it 74 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: or demotivated that they may not have even realized, because 75 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: I think the instagram is like you know, one of 76 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: my favorite teachers, she teaches that, she says, the innagrams 77 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: the water you're swarming in, and so you don't always 78 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: know you're in it. And yeah, so let me get 79 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: to like depths with people relatively quickly that I wouldn't 80 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: have been able to get to otherwise. You mentioned earlier 81 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:29,119 Speaker 1: about um people really being drawn to your Instagram because 82 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: maybe it was the thing of being seen. Do you 83 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: think that that is why we're we have such a 84 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: fascination with the angiogram right now? Yeah? I think so, 85 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: And I think you know, I think culturally we're in 86 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: an era where we're demanding a lot of personal responsibility 87 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: from people and are in from ourselves in any agrams 88 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: like straightforward, here's your stuff and here's what you need 89 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: to be looking at. And so I think, partially, yeah, 90 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: we want to be seen, we want to be known, 91 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: and I think also we want to take responsibility for 92 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: what we're bring me to the table. We want other 93 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: people to do the same. So I do want to 94 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: talk about how you used it, specifically more in your businesses. 95 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: But let's like, let's do a little breakdown, because I'll 96 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: tell you this. I have been studying, you know, or 97 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: just I've taken the test, I've read some books I've 98 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: I don't know studying is exactly the right word, but 99 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: I've been aware of the aniogram for a couple of 100 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: years now, and the more I dig into it, sometimes 101 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: the more confused I get. Yeah, there's so many different 102 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: like wings and subtypes there. It just never never seems 103 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: to stop with the learning. I completely agree, and and 104 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: there's so many different schools of teaching and ways that 105 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: people talk about it that it can be um, there's 106 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: a lot of opinions in the aniogram. Like one teacher 107 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: might teach line like the lines of integration disintegration. Um, 108 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: I teach lines of stress and rest. Um. You know. 109 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: I know people who teach it a stretch and release, 110 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: and they all have kind of slightly different variations of 111 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: the way they discuss it and talk about it, which 112 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: I think can be really disorienting. Yes, okay, so let's 113 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: break it down for people. So there's nine types on 114 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: the angiogram, correct, correct, Yeah, yeah. So the way I 115 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: like to talk about it is that is that the angiogram, 116 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: when you find your inniogram type, you're essentially discovering the 117 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: story that you tell yourself about who you have to 118 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,559 Speaker 1: be in order to be okay, in order to be loved, 119 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: in order to be safe. So um, each number is 120 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: driven by a different basic motivation, a different basic fear, 121 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: in a different story that they believe they have to 122 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: be in order to be okay. And UM. Within that, 123 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,679 Speaker 1: so that's the basic structure, and within that you have wings, 124 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: which is the number on either side. So the indiogram 125 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: symbol is a circle and it's number one through nine, 126 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: and on either side is your wings. So these you 127 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: have both wings available to you at any time, but 128 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: most of us can of lean into one or the other. 129 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: So what that means is the numbers on either side 130 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: of your number, Um, have you pull in the characteristics 131 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: and the strengths and weaknesses from those numbers as well? Um, 132 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: most of the time we have a dominant but some 133 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: people are kind of balanced out. So when you say 134 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: balanced out, I was going to ask you that, like 135 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: you can can you show both sides? Like I'm a four, 136 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: which I know your husband is because I've been listening 137 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: to your podcast. I have lots of questions about that. 138 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: But um, so if I'm a four, you know, there's 139 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: some days where I definitely identify with a lot of 140 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: the characteristics of a three. But could I still pick 141 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: up some stuff from a five as well? For short Um, 142 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: and likely you know that dominant wing is pretty prevalent 143 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: for a lot of people. Um, but you can intentionally 144 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: pull in those skills of a five as a way 145 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: to kind of intentionally balance them out. Because there's there's 146 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: a school of beliefs that I I'm a fan of. 147 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: It says that the goal is to have balanced twings 148 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: because the number on either side if you can really 149 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: offer you a lot to round out the strengths and 150 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: weaknesses of your personality. So for a four, the threes 151 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: are very action oriented. Um, they're very good at taking 152 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: action on the things they think about. So that probably 153 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: serves you well. And then the other side of five 154 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: is that there's a lot of like deep integrative knowledge, 155 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: um that you can pull in as a five, a 156 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: lot of observing, a lot of not reacting to emotions 157 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: or feelings but instead processing them, thinking through them and 158 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: using logic to balance them out, and all of that's 159 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: useful to a four. So you have your specific personalities 160 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: type which mine is a four, like I'm saying, but 161 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: I can pick up characteristics of both sides. Interesting, Okay, 162 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: So now let's talk about um that you mentioned. Was 163 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: it stress and how do you how do you interpret 164 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: it stress and rest? Stress and rest? Okay, so let's 165 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: talk about that. Yeah, I think this is my favorite 166 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: element of the indiogram, and probably because it's the most 167 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: action oriented in my mind. Um. So essentially each number 168 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: goes to a different number in a season of stress 169 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: or if they feel or a season of rest. So, um, 170 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: your number might go you know, goes to type two 171 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: and stress and so what that can look like is 172 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: you show up in the lower level types of like 173 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: behaviors of type two when you're stressed out. Another way 174 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: to think about it is that if you start a 175 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: lot of times we see another number and we think 176 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: we're supposed to act like that number according to like 177 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: society or expectations. So and then by trying to live 178 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: as that number, it can be really stressful for you. 179 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: So um afore, trying to constantly live as it, too 180 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: is going to be a really stressful experience. Or it's 181 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: an indicator that you need self care. Yes, that makes 182 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: because for me, when I get stressed out for some reason, 183 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: I tend to start taking care of everyone else, like 184 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: worrying about everyone else's needs, and I think that is 185 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: a too the helper, but it is draining for me 186 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: right right, yeah, yeah really, And what it was interesting 187 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: to me is because is the belief that you can 188 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: climb up any any of those lines or slide down 189 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: either of those lines, so you can actually intentionally you 190 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: regularly pull in some of the high side of two, 191 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: which is going to be like thinking about other people, 192 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: like you know, more often, really asking good questions, integrating 193 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: that love and um that warrant that like community relational 194 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: side of a two into your everyday life, which can 195 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: actually prevent you from getting to those low level behaviors 196 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: of the type two. For the type two, Yeah, and 197 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: that stress state. So how would you pull on that 198 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: if you're not in your stress though? Yeah, so it 199 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: would be more intentional. Um, I think to look about 200 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: another way to think about this. Let's take it out 201 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: of you and put it into a different person. So um, 202 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: as a type seven, I'll I go to type one 203 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: in stress. So the low level indicators, right that I 204 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: need some self care or like I get perfectionistic, I 205 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: get judgmental. Um. But but if I can regularly integrate 206 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: the high level behaviors of type one, like organization structure, um, 207 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: being like high minded, like thinking ethically, then I can 208 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: every day make a little bit better decisions that serve 209 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: my stress levels in the long term. Okay, So you're 210 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: just aware of it, and so then you can pull 211 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: out and draw from that positive part of it. So 212 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: every number has like for instance, I have a friend 213 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: who is an eight, and she when she found out 214 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: she was an eight, she was devastated because she was 215 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: reading some of the harder characteristics of an eight and 216 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: she can't get you know, And I kind of feel 217 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: that way about the four. I think that's a very 218 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: typical thing. You see the bad parts of it, but 219 00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: every number has strong characters, are positive traits and maybe 220 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: some negative ones to correct correct, And I think it's 221 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: the most common experience to read your number and think 222 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: you've got the bad one. And I think the work 223 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: really is recognizing that everythingle number has shadow and everythingle 224 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: number has light. There's no good, there's no bad. We're 225 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: just all human, okay. And so it's really more about learning, 226 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: or this is what I'm taking from the indiogram lately 227 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: at least, is it's about learning how you react and 228 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: respond to certain situations so that you can become your 229 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: higher self, and like knowing what your triggers are, Like 230 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: you said, maybe what your fears are coming from, what 231 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: the story in your head is. Yeah, it's about recognizing 232 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: what you think you have to be, but you don't 233 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: have to be so you you know, as as a seven, 234 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: I think I have to be free. You have to 235 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: get what I want all the time. I have to 236 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: have options available to me. But it's about un learning 237 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: that and recognizing that I'm actually Okay, if those things 238 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: don't happen, I'm still fine. Um. And the same thing 239 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: for it's it's really fear being controlled or not being 240 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: control and um, and that can exhibit in multiple ways, 241 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: but it's actually like it's just about deciding you don't 242 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: have to do that or be that. I found it 243 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: so interesting to listen to the podcast you did with 244 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: your husband, because a four and a seven seems very 245 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: different to me. So and you kind of just touched 246 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: on that, but you talked about like fours were very 247 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: intense in our emotions and our feelings, and how sometimes 248 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: you would be you could be in a room with 249 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: him and think that you were going to get sucked 250 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: into his emotions. And so that's something you've learned, right, 251 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: how to tell yourself that that is not happening, yes, 252 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: and that that's mine right, Like it's not his job. 253 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: Make me feel better about that, it's my job till 254 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: and that I have that fear. That is interesting. So 255 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: is there are there certain numbers that do better in 256 00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: relationship with each other than others. I honestly believe any 257 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: number can be together. It's really just about if you're 258 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: willing to do the work. You know, I think it's 259 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: just in anything, if you're on the higher average to 260 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,599 Speaker 1: high level health of your number, it's gonna be a 261 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: lot easier to be in relationship in general, versus if 262 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: you're not paying attention, if you're not aware that, it's 263 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: going to be trickier no matter what number you're with. Okay, 264 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: So we talked about the wings, but then there's also 265 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: sub types when this so this is this is where 266 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: I start to be like, what, there's so many different 267 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: things parts of the angiogram. So you say that subtypes 268 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: are actually more important to know about than your wings, 269 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: I believe so, yeah, because I think they offer more distinction. Okay, yeah, 270 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: because you know, just like you can meet you Kelly 271 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: as a type four, and then I can get my 272 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: husband as a type four, and you're going to be 273 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: very different and very um and part of that, you 274 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: know you're gonna have your unique flavor, and you think 275 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: the flavor of the subtype is actually way more intricate 276 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: and in depth, because it's the subtypes are essentially your 277 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: survival mechanism, is what you think you have to do 278 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: to survive. So that could be like procreation or intimacy, 279 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: it can be um having a social network, being socially accepted, 280 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: and it can be having like um, all the food 281 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: and warmth and safety that you need, and that's really 282 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: deeply just as deeply ingrained as your world view, if 283 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: not more, and can really intensely flavor the way you're 284 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: going to show up as your number. So how do 285 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: you figure out your subtype? Well, that's one of the things. Yeah, 286 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: that's where this is. That's so tricky in any gram 287 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: because different schools do teach it differently. I'm personally a 288 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: fan of the work of Beatrice Chestnut because she's given 289 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: us very distinct descriptors of each number UM and each 290 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: subtype of each number. So I encourage you guys to 291 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: read her book, The Complete Angiogram. It breaks down all 292 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: of the numbers really beautifully UM and all of their subtypes. 293 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: So there's twenty seven subtypes is that right? Seven subtypes? 294 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: And actually one of like two more earlier teachers when 295 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: they brought the indiogram to the mainstream, they taught it 296 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: as their twenty seven types, not just nine types. Oh, 297 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,479 Speaker 1: I see, And so then it got a little more specific. 298 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: I was reading I took the the I nine indiogram test. 299 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, so I have, you know, a pretty 300 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: extensive breakdown of I love how that's Ian Morgan Krown 301 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: and that's how he completely breaks down how you react 302 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: in certain situations, why you're what you're driven by. UM. 303 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: And I'm reading right now on one of my sheets, 304 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: but he's talking about like, I'm a social four. So 305 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: is that my subtype? Yes, that's your subtypes. That's a subtype. Okay, 306 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: So what are some other examples of subtypes or different 307 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: definitions of that. Yeah, so there's three. If we all 308 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: have all three subtypes, it's just that which one's dominant. So, 309 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: but different types. There's one to one, which just means 310 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: that you value like one to one connection UM and 311 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: one to one intimacy UM. And then there's social, which 312 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: just means that you really it's important to you to 313 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: fit into the social order, to know where you stand 314 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: in the social order UM. And then we have self 315 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: self preservation, which means you want to be safe, you 316 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: want to be fed, you want to have everything you need, 317 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: um in order to feel like you're gonna survive, Like 318 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: that's your plan for survival essentially, And we all have 319 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: all three, we all need all three, but usually one 320 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: kind of rises to the services are dominant. So like, 321 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: what would a difference be between a number that's a 322 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: social number and then one that's like a self press 323 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: Like what are what are your reactions to lie or 324 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: how are they different? So I can talk about fours 325 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: that that makes if that's comfortable for you, Okay, So 326 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: a social four is going to be a little bit 327 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: more internal. Um. So they're going to be more aware 328 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: of how where they stand in like the stacking of things. 329 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: So if people if they fit into the social order, 330 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: if they don't fit in, and that can create a 331 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: little bit of hyper self awareness for the four um 332 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: and often can help them like kind of holding onto 333 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: the negatives that people say about them and not holding 334 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: onto the positive things that get said about them. Um. 335 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: So a lot of them work, Okay, a lot of 336 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: the work is really believing that you're wanted and valued 337 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: and that people see the good in you. Um. And 338 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: then for our self preservation force, they actually are the 339 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: counter type. So what that means is they show up 340 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: differently in behavior than they show up in they even 341 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: though they have the same motivations, the same beliefs, the 342 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: same worldview, their behavior might be different. So While a 343 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: social form might be very comfortable with suffering and not 344 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: be not feel like we need to escape it, a 345 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: self preservation for is gonna want to want to prove 346 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: that they can suffer and still be happy, So they're 347 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: gonna look a little bit more like jovial, a little 348 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: bit more like it. They can get mistyped as a 349 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: seven um, because that's why you you know, you meet 350 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: like very sunshiny fours, and people are like, you're not 351 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: a four. They might be the counter type. They might 352 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: be a self press for whose main mission is to 353 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: prove that they can suffer and be resilient. Um. And 354 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: then we have the one to one for, which is 355 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: a lot more intense, a lot more fiery, might lead 356 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: with like what looks like anger. They might be a 357 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: little bit more revenge oriented and really I feel like 358 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: they're suffering and other you want other people to suffer too. 359 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: Do you find that people make type themselves a lot 360 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: because you just said something about like a self preservation 361 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: format look like a seven, Yeah, I think so. And 362 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: honestly though, I think that gets messiest when other people 363 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: try to speak into your typing process, like when most people, 364 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: I think when they read through the members can get 365 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: a general idea of who they are pretty quickly, but 366 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: then when other people come in, so like a a 367 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: self preservations for reading type four might see themselves in 368 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: it pretty clearly, but then someone else will be like, 369 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: we don't seem like the four because you're really happy, 370 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: because they have like a very base knowledge of the 371 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: angiogram and they don't quite understand the complexity that can 372 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: live in it. Um. And so if I can create 373 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: confusion for people, So if you think, like I resonate 374 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: with type four, but everyone's telling me I'm not, then 375 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: you might explore a bunch of different numbers until you 376 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: know you finally get the validation that you are in 377 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: the right place. Well. I actually, when I first took 378 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: the Instagram Instagram I'm sorry any Agram test, I UM, 379 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: I took like a think a free one online or something, 380 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: and I got it too, and I just kept being like, 381 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: you know, there's definitely parts of it too I identify with, 382 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: but I just kept feeling that thing of like this 383 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: just doesn't fully feel like me. Um. It wasn't until 384 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: I recently took this new the e I test, that 385 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: it's just so much more extensive and then when I 386 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: read the down before even the bad stuff, I was like, 387 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: that is so me, Like I couldn't deny it, you know. Yeah, 388 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: And I think it's actually pretty common to mistype on 389 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: especially those free tests, because they're asking you about kind 390 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: of social norm things like do you think it's important 391 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: to care about people? Do you think it's important to 392 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: be helpful? And so we're gonna, of course we're gonna 393 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: say yes, yeah, yeah, like my mom said to So 394 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 1: you don't want to be a monster, right, And so 395 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: that gets really confusing. And that's why I really love 396 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: the i Q nine because it's it's accurate. They ask 397 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: you questions on like a myriad of different ways, they 398 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: reorganize them, and you really get a full on report 399 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: of your number, which is pretty cool. You just said 400 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: it correctly. I've been saying I nine. It's i Q 401 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: nine and you can find it. I think it's on 402 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: is it Ian Morrigan Kron does that. He says the 403 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: name dot com. He has a really good book too, 404 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: called The Road Back to You that I've taught me 405 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: a lot about the angiogram. Um. Okay, So then I 406 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: want to also talk about, like in the breakdown of 407 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: the numbers, like I know, the two, the three, and 408 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: the four. What we operate from a heart place? Is 409 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: that right? And then can you talk about those different 410 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: breakdowns that obviously don't know specifically the breakdown of the numbers, 411 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: but there's different places that we come from with all 412 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: of our emotions and the way we navigate through life. Right. Yeah. 413 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: So the two, three, in the four and the image triad, 414 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: which essentially means you're aware of how you're being perceived 415 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: and have an idea of how you would like to 416 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: be perceived. So type twos want to be seen as 417 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: lovable and likable, Type threees want to see be seen 418 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: as successful. Type fours want to be seen exactly how 419 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: they see themselves. Um. And then we have types five, six, 420 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: and seven, which were in the anxiety triad. Um. So 421 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: they kind of lead with thought, lead with you know, 422 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: overthinking things, tend to live in their heads. And then eight, 423 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: nine and one are in the anger triad and they 424 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: have a complex relationship to anger. So when they lead 425 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: with anger, maybe they repressed anger. Um. Maybe they you know, 426 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: become passive aggressive because they try to put their anger 427 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: to the side. Okay, this is interesting because in my 428 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: life I keep bumping up against eights and multiple different 429 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: places in my life that is as a difficult relationship 430 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: for me. But is this what you're saying about, like 431 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: it's an awareness thing and so like is or is 432 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: that just like my number and the number eight are 433 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: just going to kind of butt heads all the time. Yeah, 434 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, I can't. I'm not sure. I 435 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: think for me it's interesting because I find eights really 436 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: relaxing to be around and I and I can see 437 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: the natural conflict in a four and eight because as 438 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: a seven I value or as as me I value 439 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: UM when I know where I stand with someone. So 440 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: if an eight is like I don't like you, I'm like, oh, 441 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: thank you. I know, I try to worry about it. UM, 442 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: And it doesn't really harm me, right, doesn't hurt me 443 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: to be told someone doesn't enjoy my company. UM. In fact, 444 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: it relaxes me because I trust that if you want 445 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: to be with me, you will, and if you don't, 446 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: you won't. UM. Whereas I think for fours, they tend 447 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: to be a lot more UM, tender to feedback and 448 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: so UM when you're interacting with someone who has very 449 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: strong opinions, and we'll tell you them without cushioning them 450 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: or softening them. Um, when you're someone who's going to 451 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: hold onto all of the harmful things that get said 452 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: to you and release all the positive you have, kind 453 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: of like um, a natural empty in cup, right, like 454 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: you're so when you are around people who are going 455 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: to give it to you straight and aren't softening that, 456 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: it can be really hard, I imagine, right, and you 457 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: we focus on the one negative versus they are the 458 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: mud types of afford does yeahs positive comments that come 459 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: your way, Oh totally. I mean that's like a huge 460 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: thing for me on social media is I can have 461 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: all this positivity and one one hater and I can 462 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: only think about the hater. I've had to really learn 463 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: how to not focus on that. Yeah that's hard. Yeah, okay, 464 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 1: So how do you feel like the angiogram just in 465 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: general has affected your life or the people around his life? Yeah, 466 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: I mean I think it's it's really it's interesting you 467 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: know this about me, Like I've been sick for a while, 468 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: Like I had the flu and it turned into pneumonia 469 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: and I'm still in recovery. It's been like two months. 470 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: And um, and I say that to say that It's 471 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: been really interesting to see what I thought I had 472 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: to be in order to be left. You know, the 473 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: stories that I had around You know, if I'm not happy, 474 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: if I'm not the joy in the room, if I'm 475 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: not the sunshine, then will people in my life don't 476 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: want to be around me? Um? And the work of 477 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: the Instagram has given me the language to stay to 478 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: my husband, like literally asked him, like, are you okay 479 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: that I'm not happy right now? Are you gonna be 480 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: comfortable if I'm not smiling at you today? Um? Just 481 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: because I've also crummy, I don't have much more to give. 482 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: And I don't think I could have pre angiogram had 483 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: the understanding of myself well enough to know that that's 484 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: even what was coming up. I think I would have 485 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: just been really defensive, really reactive. Um kind of closed 486 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: him off as a self defense mechanism. Um. But now 487 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: I have the awareness of like, oh, I feel vulnerable, 488 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: I feel like I can't be what I'm supposed to be. UM. 489 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: It just gives us so much insight and language to 490 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: what maybe we might not have known otherwise. That is 491 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: so fascinating. So what did you do, like when you've 492 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: been sick. How did you act any differently or did 493 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: you just allow yourself to be Yeah, so, as most sevens, 494 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: you have this feeling that we have to constantly be 495 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: entertaining ourselves and constantly be busy. And I don't like 496 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: to sit still very much, but when you have pneumonia, 497 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: you don't really have much of a point. And so 498 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: it really it really allowed me when I would I 499 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 1: would rested really intentionally, like new, I'm going to be 500 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: very tempted to not take rest, to not enjoy the 501 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: experience of rest. So I had to intentionally make myself 502 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: enjoy the process of what it feels like to be RESTful, 503 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: um for what my home feels like, how it feels 504 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: to be in this space, and then also just express 505 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: anytime I felt just comfort around, not being happy or 506 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: excited or um, you know, a delight to be around. 507 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: I would just communicate with my husband and say, hey, 508 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 1: do you still love me even though I'm not a 509 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: delight to be around right now? Even he could have 510 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: them have the opportunity to say yes, of course. And 511 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: I think for so long I didn't feel like I 512 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: could or know how to even ask that question. Did 513 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: you find a difference in how like I don't know 514 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: if this is a fair question or not, but like, 515 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: did he have a difficult sound processing you in that 516 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: capacity because he's so used to you being a certain way? Yeah, 517 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: So for him, they as his type pattern gets triggered. 518 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: For him, he assumed everything. Every time I was upset, 519 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: it was with him, um and that he had done something. 520 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: And so it was interesting because he would he got 521 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: really good at asking are you upset with me? Or 522 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: like what's going on with you? And then I could say, like, no, 523 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: you've done You've been a perfect angel. Like he literally 524 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: was a perfect angel, like took care of everything. Like 525 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: like the idea of me being mad at him in 526 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: that moment is like inconceivable because he was keeping me alive, 527 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, like everything. And so it was interesting for 528 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: me to see that come up in him, to even 529 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: think for a second that I would have any negative 530 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: thoughts about him in the time that I loved him 531 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: the most. So we were able to kind of get 532 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: underneath those layers and really have the real conversation, right, 533 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: which is just so interesting to think about. If we 534 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: don't have this awareness about our personalities or where we're 535 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: coming from, it's just to think of all the miscommunications 536 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: that could happen in a relationship because of that. Yeah, 537 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: because you don't know why you know, people are doing 538 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: what they're doing, or why you already even doing what 539 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: you're doing. Yeah, that's been one of the big things too. 540 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: I love this breakdown that I got after I took 541 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: that test because it talks about, you know, how you 542 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: would perceive certain things in stress, or how you might 543 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: respond to certain situations in business or in a love relationship. 544 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: And that's been super helpful to me because you know, 545 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: I think so many times I can only speak for myself, 546 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: but I'm looking at the world through my lenses and 547 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: I can't process how someone else's lens could be different, Right, 548 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: So I just get frustrated. You know, you're like, wait, 549 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: but how can you not see it this way or 550 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: whatever it is, because it's how you see it. Yeah. 551 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: You know, there's Type one kind of gets a bad 552 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: rap for being judgmental. And I actually heard a Type 553 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: one say recently, They're like, you know, my whole life, 554 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: I thought that my inner critic was the voice of 555 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: God and that everyone else was just disobeying. Wow, And 556 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: I was like, that's the most powerful concept I've heard 557 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: because I think that that like they thought, like, oh, 558 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: you guys are just choosing to not do the right thing. 559 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: That's eye opening. It's super eye opening because I think 560 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: we all have the stories in our heads. So yeah, 561 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: you can make up whatever it is you want about 562 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: another person based off of your perception. Wow. Um, So 563 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: as a person who has obviously studied the intiagram a ton, 564 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: what do you do now to keep learning? Like? Where 565 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: are you going? What kind of resources are you finding? Yeah? 566 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: So I I am just like I'm so into the 567 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: instagram that I read every book that I can, um 568 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: that's been written or gets written. Um. But I and 569 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: I did my first at a certification through the integrative nine. Um, 570 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: they're more business based, okay, and then um, I'm going 571 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: through the process of getting a second through the narrative tradition, 572 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: the narrative school Dani Agraham and there are a lot 573 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: more holistic, a lot more somatic, um, a little bit 574 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: more personal about it, so like relational and um, you know, 575 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: reaching the higher self side of things. Yeah. One of 576 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: the things I loved I did mention. Sarah Jane has 577 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: a podcast called Angiogram and Coffee and You also really 578 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: tie in a lot of like business, um, just wait 579 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: the ways that people would respond in business situations, or 580 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: I like the ones about the entrepreneur stuff because even 581 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: just finding like your motivation and what's going to help 582 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: you to get up and like get going, which for 583 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: each different type is completely different. Yeah. Yeah, I think 584 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: like one of my greatest passions is releasing the shame 585 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: that can happen as entrepreneurs, especially in this creative market 586 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: where so many of us are entering into entrepreneurship. There's 587 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: so much belief around what an entrepreneur should be and 588 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: there's so many fears and and motivations, and that get 589 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: in the way of the ability to show up as 590 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: like whatever this ideal is that I don't think anyone's 591 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: actually doing. Um, but yeah, so I I really want 592 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: to kind of break down those ideals and get honest 593 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: about what you want and how that works. So what 594 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: do you what do you feel like the perception of 595 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: what an entrepreneur should be doing is everything? You know? 596 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: I think that people go to these conferences and you 597 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: listen to you know, speakers like me and tell you 598 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: how how you're supposed to run your business, and then 599 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: you try to apply the tools and tricks that everyone 600 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: they're taught, even though they're teaching from their perspective and 601 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: and most people they kind of give their their authority 602 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: of their business over to these people that they're learning from, 603 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: instead of really filtering through, well, what serves me, what 604 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: do I need? Which things can I let go, and 605 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: which things can I hold onto? Instead, they go home, 606 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: they try to implement everything that they learned, ultimately end 607 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: up implementing nothing and then just be like they failed 608 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: something that I've been learning. The more I've learned about 609 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: my number and what drives me is to surround myself with, 610 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, the people that I work with around me 611 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: um who can really tap into maybe the strengths that 612 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: my number doesn't get to, you know, like to make 613 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: the business run successfully. Totally. Yes, I love that. Yeah, 614 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: so interesting valuing I think sometimes too when we hire people, 615 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: especially we hire people who are different than us to 616 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: do that, and then we don't value what they bring 617 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: to people because tricks are type pattern, right, So do 618 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: you have recommendations for people who maybe just starting out 619 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: or who are like what did y'all just talk about? 620 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: What are all these numbers? Like? What's a you know, 621 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: angiogram for dummies kind of route to go. Yeah, so, um, 622 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: you know, I really encourage people to go to I 623 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: think any Agraham Institute is just the most beautiful write 624 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: ups of each number, um the most like they're very thorough, 625 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: very thought out. So you can go to any Grand 626 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: Institute dot com read up on the numbers, see which 627 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: ones resonate to you the most. UM. And then also 628 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: the test that I e Q nine is the best test. UM. 629 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: It's ninety five accurate and it really is just if 630 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,479 Speaker 1: you want to take a test and get a write 631 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 1: up backs phone to take. Okay, that's a great place 632 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: to start. It's the one that I took and really 633 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: help me. I felt like I was living in like, 634 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: um any a grand personality crisis for many years. Yeah. 635 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: This was like I don't think I'm a two, but 636 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: this keeps. Yeah. I did the same thing. I typed 637 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: as it too. It took me yes, yeah, um, because 638 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: that's so that's so different, it's so different. Yeah. I 639 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: was like, oh, I wish I was a two because 640 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: then I wouldn't have to deal with any of my 641 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,879 Speaker 1: actual stuff. So I wrote that too. That a lot 642 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: of us we will if you if you like your type. 643 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: When you get the number, it's probably not your type, 644 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: is that right? Yeah, because it's uncomfortable, right. Yeah. When 645 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: I got four, I was like, oh my god, because 646 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: we get a bad rap for being so moody, right 647 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: or just so emotional? Yeah, yeah, very true, but working 648 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: on it. I love it. Thank you so much for 649 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: being here, Sarah Jane. Yeah, thank you so much for 650 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: having me. It was so fun. And you guys can 651 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: check her out on Instagram or you on other social 652 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: media's as Inniogram and Coffee as well the Instagram on 653 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: the podcaster where I um most of the action happens 654 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: for sure. Okay. I love the little breakdowns you do 655 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: on your Instagram, like it'll be a different theme and 656 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: you break down how each number would respond to that situation. 657 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: It's such a good little daily thing. I love you guys. 658 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: Check her out, and again, thank you so much. I 659 00:35:54,040 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: hope everyone signs are true Indiogram number. 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