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Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast is Afraid of ice cream, headaches,

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Speaker 1: and clowns. Welcome to another edition of the Around the

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Speaker 1: League Podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal and I am Jewish, and

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by a room full of heroes, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling. We missed Dan Hands as he's out of

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Speaker 1: the mix today and we're still thinking of what is happening.

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Speaker 1: Well done. Greg was a little concerned about his opener

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Speaker 1: out of the game. He did a pristine job there,

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Speaker 1: I thought, very well done. You gotta mix it up.

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Speaker 1: What's going on this Friday? What does it matter if

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Speaker 1: you're Jewish? No, I don't know. It just popped into

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Speaker 1: my head. Let's get these topics into the very top

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Speaker 1: of the show here so that anyone listening has no

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Speaker 1: idea what this podcast. I'm having trouble focusing because I

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Speaker 1: just had a disturbing incident as I was uh coming

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Speaker 1: was checking their phone at the urinal. I think that's

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Speaker 1: that too much. Yeah, it's a little much. It's almost

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Speaker 1: as too much as talking about the urnal on a podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying it kind of reminds me of the

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Speaker 1: movie Her, which is a great movie. It's like you

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Speaker 1: have to be connected at every moment. We need a

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Speaker 1: podcast segment Greg's Indie movies, that's not that Indian. I

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Speaker 1: saw that film too. Well, then you can be the

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Speaker 1: Cisco neighbor of Greg's in the movies. Well, our group

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Speaker 1: is all all mixed up today because not only are

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Speaker 1: we without Dan hans Us, who of course is on

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Speaker 1: paternity leave for a little while. Again, congrats to him

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Speaker 1: and Emily. They're they're heading home today from the hospital,

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Good to have you. It's good to

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Speaker 1: be Jewish. By the way, I'm also yeah, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I understand. I don't understand the whole peeing while you're

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Speaker 1: checking your phone, right, I don't know. Maybe it's not

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Speaker 1: an appropriate podcast topic, but I was disturbed by it.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't bother you. Have you ever seen that at work?

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Speaker 1: I will, I didn't say it didn't bother me. I

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Speaker 1: do agree with your assessment that people are becoming far

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Speaker 1: too attached to technology. I think most of the people

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Speaker 1: listening to this probably have are ignoring family members in

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Speaker 1: the other room while they listen to this. I don't

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Speaker 1: judge other people's bathroom behavior. I have a one track

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Speaker 1: mind when I get in there, straight at the wall

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Speaker 1: and not at anyone else. That's fair. Well, if you're

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Speaker 1: a regular listener, you'll remember Zach Guest produced our podcast

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Speaker 1: And uh, Zack, why don't we do a little news

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Speaker 1: all right? Let's start in Chicago where the Bears won

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Speaker 1: the preseason game last night nineteen over the Jaguars. But

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Speaker 1: don't know why I bothered because it was Jordan Palmer

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Speaker 1: leading to come back. Who cares? The Jaguars starter actually

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Speaker 1: position for the Jaguars. Chad Henny came out there, looked

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Speaker 1: Twelve eleven sev hundred sixty yards. Does Blake Bortles deserve

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Speaker 1: to be starting for the Jaguars. Mark Sessler, Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the next, and in the middle of this, a sandwich

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Speaker 1: bet to the surface of proposition, A sandwich proposition. Basically,

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Speaker 1: I put the I would said that the Bordles would

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Speaker 1: That's what they're seeing in in in little wisps and

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Speaker 1: and put yet Henny in this place. This everyone keeps

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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting. Jeff. NFL Media's Jeff Darlington

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Speaker 1: looks like a real player. It's kind of exciting. Any

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Speaker 1: especially when one of them isn't Chad Henny anymore. You're

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Speaker 1: not gonna have that guy to kick around because he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a number two. It was criminal how low

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Speaker 1: you ranked t jack in the backup quarterback round. I've

428
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Speaker 1: seen Tarvaris Jackson as a starter from many games, and

429
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Speaker 1: I don't need to see that ever again. You might

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Speaker 1: not ever see You've had enough of that dish. We

431
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Speaker 1: also aren't gonna see Charles Simms, the third round draft

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Speaker 1: pick of the Bucks, out twelve to fourteen weeks after

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Speaker 1: surgery on his right ankle. They'll do the surgery uh

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Speaker 1: today on Friday, and it's a big loss for them

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Speaker 1: in their backfield. They were hoping that Simms was at

436
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Speaker 1: a little pop. They're running backs coach compared him to

437
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Speaker 1: Matt Forte. He wasn't the only one to make that comparison.

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Speaker 1: He looked like he was going to be the passing

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Speaker 1: down guy to compliment Doug Martin. So I think they

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Speaker 1: had significant plans for him. Yeah. You know, our friend

441
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah was at Bucks camp and he over and

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Speaker 1: over just emphasized that Sims has had a really nice

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Speaker 1: camp and that the coaches trusted him. That's you know,

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Speaker 1: if you find out that running backs are going to

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Speaker 1: get a role early on, they had to see you

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Speaker 1: as a complete back. They can do a lot of

447
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Speaker 1: different things, and I think they viewed him that way.

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Speaker 1: I liked Mike James last year, but it was in

449
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Speaker 1: spot work. But he came in. He had like a

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Speaker 1: hundred plus yard game and looked very good in one start.

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Speaker 1: And don't forget little track star Jeff Demps. All right,

452
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Speaker 1: but listen, he's you know, he gonna make the team.

453
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Speaker 1: Probably not, but that guy has found a way to

454
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Speaker 1: how many people can hang around in the NFL for

455
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Speaker 1: three plus years without doing it does help. I mean

456
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Speaker 1: they've got Bobby Rainey and Doug Martin. Bobby Rainey is

457
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Speaker 1: was a midseason signing guy last year that played for

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Speaker 1: like four teams. Browns dumped him to get Willis mcgahey

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Speaker 1: and Edwin Baker after the Ravens dumped him. Jeff Demps

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Speaker 1: has had the highest posts to lack of production ratio

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Speaker 1: since any players since the last couple of years. I

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Speaker 1: was gonna say I put Weeding up there. Actually, you

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Speaker 1: know who would be another candidate for this category, Torell

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Speaker 1: Owens Chet Johnson. No, they had plenty of production. I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about podcast favorite Colt liar La. Oh you didn't.

466
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Speaker 1: You didn't think we were gonna get col up back

467
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Speaker 1: in the show. But it's Dan Hans is his favorite player,

468
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Speaker 1: and we just wanted to give him a little present. Hey, Dan,

469
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Speaker 1: Colt is injured towards mc L and PCL. I know

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Speaker 1: you don't want to be celebrating injuries, but you know

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Speaker 1: this is we gotta, we gotta at least closed the

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Speaker 1: book on the Colt liar less story. I would imagine

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Speaker 1: they would put him on the season ending. I are

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Speaker 1: that's a pretty serious injury and they go seven deep

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Speaker 1: at tight end. I was wondering if he was gonna

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Speaker 1: make the roster anyway. But the reason why people are

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Speaker 1: so enamored with this guy that I saw a screen

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Speaker 1: grab of the play in which he got injured, and

479
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Speaker 1: he was hurdling two defenders with his legs sprawled out

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Speaker 1: spread eagle style almost and he was about four ft

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Speaker 1: up in the air. It was just a the athletic

482
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Speaker 1: well and I know you know there was it was

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Speaker 1: he was more mocked almost for some of the stuff

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Speaker 1: that was written about him where they talked about him

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Speaker 1: being having the athletic you know, prowess of a Jimmy Graham,

486
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Speaker 1: of a Rob Gronkowski. And we'll have to wait to

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Speaker 1: see if it's almost Probably if you get stashed away

488
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Speaker 1: for a year, it might actually benefit him because I

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Speaker 1: think you're right, that is such a deep, tight end group.

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Speaker 1: After we thought it wouldn't be you know, like going

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Speaker 1: into the off season, that maybe this is a way

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Speaker 1: to stick with the team. God, I agree. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it would be bad for him. This way he

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Speaker 1: can get the medical treatment with the team throughout the

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Speaker 1: season instead of just being cut and you know, thrown

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Speaker 1: to the wind. So we'll talk about Colt probably in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and fifteen, so look forward to that. Finally,

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Speaker 1: let's wrap up the news with Brian Hoyer starting the

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Speaker 1: second preseason game for the Cleveland Browns over Johnny Manzel.

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Speaker 1: Are were you surprised when you found this out? Mark Well,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was surprising because our network had learned

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Speaker 1: from a pretty good source that it was going to

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Speaker 1: be the other way around. The man Zel will get

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Speaker 1: the start. Now, who knows, maybe pett And bumped at

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Speaker 1: that way to just throw people under the bus there,

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Speaker 1: Mark what our network had this, I mean, we put

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Speaker 1: it in our posts, and that's you know, these things change, right,

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Speaker 1: These things change, and I mean maybe it has to

509
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Speaker 1: do with something that is a committee they're making these decisions.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it matters that much. They talked about

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Speaker 1: Ian suggested they may go series for two series for

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Speaker 1: two series to get you know, both of them facing

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Speaker 1: number one defenses. Who cares who's out there for the

514
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Speaker 1: first five minutes versus if they switched someone in after.

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Speaker 1: I just I think this is gonna figure itself out.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen a statement released by a team not

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Speaker 1: only announcing the preseason starter, but breaking down the snap

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Speaker 1: counts that they wanted to make sure everyone knew Johnny

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Speaker 1: Manzel and Brian Hoyer we're gonna have equal snap counts.

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Speaker 1: And I guess that just that's Johnny Manzel in a

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Speaker 1: nutshell that they felt I don't think that was necessary,

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Speaker 1: but they felt like it was necessary to release a

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Speaker 1: statement say this is a team that has gone for

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Speaker 1: what twenty years, being in the darkness, no media cares

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Speaker 1: what they do, and suddenly they're being barrage for information

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Speaker 1: and you're they're learning how to do it. I think

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Speaker 1: Pennon give him some credit. I think he's handled the

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Speaker 1: entire summer pretty well. I totally agree. But Chris Wesley,

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Speaker 1: when you heard this news, and for any new listeners

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Speaker 1: to the show, Chris Westling has put up really his

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Speaker 1: manhood and his health and his safety for Johnny Manziel

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Speaker 1: starting in week one, Chris Wesseln will eat his softball

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Speaker 1: pants if Brian Hoyer is the week one starter at

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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns' starting to think the answer is yes,

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Speaker 1: You're not starting to You're You're on record as saying

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Speaker 1: that it would be yes. Uh. I don't like this news,

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Speaker 1: but like March said, it probably doesn't mean a whole lot,

538
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Speaker 1: and like I've said all along, it really comes down

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Speaker 1: to how they play on the field. Manzel can't out

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Speaker 1: play Brian Hoyer in the preseason, then I deserve to

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Speaker 1: eat myself. I mean it talked about naming a starter

542
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Speaker 1: next Tuesday. I think this Redskins game that Manzell needs

543
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Speaker 1: to come in and do some stuff that you know,

544
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: it turns barroom of watchers absolutely into into water. They

545
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Speaker 1: have to he's got, He's gott He's absolutely gotta. He's

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Speaker 1: gotta come in and impress and be who they thought

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Speaker 1: he could be. He needs to be like have godlike

548
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Speaker 1: powers or something to turn people into the think the

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00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: thing about Manzelle that has people Why is the entire

550
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: nation fascinated with the guy. It's because of that strange

551
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Speaker 1: playmaking and ability, that unusual talent. That's why Brian Hoyer

552
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Speaker 1: is all he has to do is Manzel just has

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Speaker 1: to do what he can do and hoyers and number

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Speaker 1: two hashtag chaotic rivers. If if I was you, Chris,

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Speaker 1: my big concern now is that I think the tie

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Speaker 1: is going to Hoyer, and I wouldn't. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: that going into camp. I thought Manzel would start week one.

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Speaker 1: I just thought you were take a little bigger risk

559
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Speaker 1: than you thought, and I thought that a tie would

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Speaker 1: have gone to Manzel. And right now it seems like

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Speaker 1: the tie is gonna go to Hoyer, and right now

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Speaker 1: they're they're essentially tied. Would you disagree with any of

563
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Speaker 1: one's canna help play the other we're waiting for it.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't happened in practice, didn't happen in the first

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Speaker 1: preseason game. It's basically all on Monday Night nationally televige.

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Speaker 1: Johnny likes to play. He likes to play to the limeline.

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Speaker 1: And I think Shanahan their offensive coording, or I think

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Speaker 1: Shanahan wants man I think they built an offense for man'zel.

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Speaker 1: That's not because they thought, oh, maybe he'll play in

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Speaker 1: late November. The X factor here might be, oh, they're

571
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Speaker 1: going into Pittsburgh Week one. That is a rough assignment

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Speaker 1: for rookie quarterbacks. Stick Lebou kills rookie quarterbacks. He has

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Speaker 1: his whole career. They know that. That's why maybe Hoyer wins.

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Speaker 1: If there's a so called tie, well, you also have

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Speaker 1: to worry a little bit. I think as a Browns

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Speaker 1: fan that there is a disagreement over who should start.

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Speaker 1: That you know, that's how sometimes things get out there,

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Speaker 1: and there are different camps of who want to and

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Speaker 1: that that has to be a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: concern in in Cleveland, and that's why they probably do

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Speaker 1: want to announce the starter after this game, right Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, but if a quarter, if they if Manzell

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Speaker 1: ends up starting wins games, all these disagreements, all the

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Speaker 1: stuff that melts away. Right now they don't have someone

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Speaker 1: playing like Blake Bortles. That's when suddenly all this stuff

586
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Speaker 1: starts to clear up. That's what they don't have yet. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I said on Twitter last night, if imagine if Johnny

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Speaker 1: Manzel was playing as well as Blake Bortles, like NFL

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Speaker 1: Network would cancel all programming for the rest of the month.

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Speaker 1: They would just be the Manzell Network. That's it. Hurry

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Speaker 1: and rush out a new channel, the Manzel change. We've

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Speaker 1: seen a lot more of Bortles than Manziel. We really

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Speaker 1: didn't see much of man'zell. That's true. That's totally fair.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I'm excited. I'm look, I'm rooting for

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Speaker 1: you to not eat the pants. I want to see

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Speaker 1: Johnny Manzel start week defense. Who doesn't want Who wants

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Speaker 1: to see Hoyer start Week one? Not as fun? The

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Speaker 1: national media that seems to be true, and the the

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Speaker 1: Cleveland why is that? I mean not to go on

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00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: about it, but you have to. This isn't New England

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Speaker 1: that's coming off endless winning. This is Cleveland that has

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00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: been hasn't won a championship in any sports and sixty

603
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: four Brian Hoyer is a local kid who plays playing

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Speaker 1: the role of the veteran who's working his ass off

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00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: and and then and there, there's no it's not hard

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Speaker 1: to see why the locality is warming up to that.

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00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: That's fair, but it's not. But we'd be myopic to

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00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: not understand why Cleveland wouldn't latch onto a local boy

609
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Speaker 1: that came up and did a nice job in general

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Speaker 1: last season compared to the other junk they had with

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Speaker 1: a backup job, which he hasn't really had throughout it

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Speaker 1: and he probably will be. But the question is why

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Speaker 1: does Cleveland like a local boy that did well in

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Speaker 1: high school there and it has the values they they

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Speaker 1: understand why, they understand why they like him, understand why

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Speaker 1: they adore him, like think you should be happy that

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Speaker 1: he's a backup. It's something that he hasn't had the

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Speaker 1: last few years. That's a good rule for him, and

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Speaker 1: that's a good role for Chad Henny. When the Jaguars

620
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: fan base is gonna have to be told a bitter

621
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Speaker 1: pill to swallow, We're gonna sit this young Big Ben

622
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: for sixteen games, keep buying tickets, keep sitting in our pool.

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Speaker 1: I don't think finishing the news on a strong note

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Speaker 1: with Dan not here, by the way, I think we

625
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: just set a record for the longest news segment. That

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Speaker 1: it was fun. It was fun. Who doesn't like the news?

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Speaker 1: There are no boundaries. We still got time and uh,

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Speaker 1: I should have mentioned this at the top. But we're

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Speaker 1: gonna unveil a new segment here, probably a one time segment.

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Speaker 1: We'll do it again next year. The teams we disagree

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Speaker 1: on the most, the lightning Rod teams of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And as part of our season preview, which will be

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Speaker 1: starting Monday on the Around the League page nfl dot

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Speaker 1: com slash a t L, we're gonna be previewing division

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Speaker 1: by division, and along with that, we'll say where they're

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Speaker 1: gonna finish in their division, and then our overall around

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Speaker 1: the league prediction in terms of their rank whether we

638
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Speaker 1: see you know, the whatever you want to call it

639
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Speaker 1: power rankings, whether the forty nine ers even if they're

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Speaker 1: in second place, whether they're a top five team in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. And so we all submitted our rankings this week,

642
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Speaker 1: and I thought it'd be fun to take a look

643
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Speaker 1: at them and see where we disagreed the most. This

644
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: is the kind of master puppeteer that Greg is. He

645
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: has not allowed Mark and I to see the results.

646
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: Mark and I don't even know which teams we disagree on.

647
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Speaker 1: I don't even remember my own power rankings. I like

648
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Speaker 1: to set up a situation where you guys just come

649
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: into natural conflicts. Kem lab and Greg is adding magnesium.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get this one started, then with one

651
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Speaker 1: of the teams you disagreed on the most. And that

652
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Speaker 1: is the subject of Hard Knocks. The Atlanta Falcons Chris

653
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: Westleyane likes to bounce back for Atlanta overall, and his

654
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: power rankings basically sees them as the middle of the

655
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Speaker 1: pack team Mark four seas disaster twenty seven for Atlanta.

656
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: That is harsh, Mark. Why why the Falcons hate uh?

657
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: To start? They play a dome which automatically is a

658
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: negative seven uh for my power rankings. That's fair. I'll

659
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Speaker 1: tell you what I I guess you know and from

660
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Speaker 1: what little I've gleamed of Hard Knocks, which I've not

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Speaker 1: been able to see in full because I don't have

662
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: the deluxe cable package like some people. But all this

663
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Speaker 1: we're gonna get tougher. We're gonna get tougher, So you

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Speaker 1: have to keep telling football players that. I'm not sure

665
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: I buy it. Um, there's no question that the Matt

666
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: Ryan Julio Jones scenario has a chance to be comp

667
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, outrageous in the NFC. I think you could

668
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: lead the league in receiving yards. Wouldn't shock me. But

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Speaker 1: Atlanta doesn't have much in the run game that excites me.

670
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: I don't like their offensive line a whole lot. They

671
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: don't have anything else that it's gonna be doing three

672
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: wide receiver sets all year long. I don't know in general,

673
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Speaker 1: the overall team, I think this is it for Mike Smith. Wow,

674
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: who doesn't run three years three wide receiver sets all

675
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: year long? They don't. I think taking any sort of

676
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: a playmaking tight end out of that offense is a

677
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: concern for me. There's just it's you know, I I

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Speaker 1: the Falcons overall. To me, I I see another losing

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Speaker 1: season five six wins tops, right, I mean you're putting

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Speaker 1: them in that category. Yeah, I don't have a problem

681
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: with it. These are Sesslor's worst six teams in the league.

682
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: Falcons Titans, Bills, Cowboys, Raiders, and Texans. So that's the

683
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Speaker 1: company that the Falcons. They're the only one with a Oh,

684
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys and the Falcons are the only ones with

685
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Speaker 1: real quarterbacks who you don't see him in success. Well,

686
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Speaker 1: so why why do you disagree so much? Then you

687
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Speaker 1: see Atlanta as more of the middle of the pack team,

688
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: because if they had Julio Jones last year, they would

689
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Speaker 1: have been middle middle of the pack. I mean, forget

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Speaker 1: all the rest of the injuries they had. If they

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Speaker 1: had only Julio Jones, they would have been middle of

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00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: the pack last year. They have him back. Roddy White's

693
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: healthy and looks phenomenal from everything we've heard out of

694
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: their camp. Um, I think their offense will be good.

695
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: I think they improved both sides of the line more

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Speaker 1: than any team in the NFL this offseason, and I

697
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: totally buy that they're a much much tougher team. They

698
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: have a backbone, which they've needed for half a decade now.

699
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: A lot of times that when you change lines that dramatically,

700
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: it looks good on paper, especially the offensive line, it

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00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: doesn't really work out that well. Okay, a lot of

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Speaker 1: times they do. I'm confident that they have rebuilt this

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Speaker 1: one in a good way. Well, I actually much closer

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Speaker 1: to you, Chris. I see them as the middle of

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Speaker 1: the pack team, and because of Matt Ryan, because any

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Speaker 1: team that I know their offense is gonna be good,

707
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Speaker 1: and I tend to think their offense is gonna be good.

708
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: I'll just give them the benefit of the doubt because

709
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: defense is a lot more unpredictable, and they look terrible

710
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: on paper on defense, but you see a lot more

711
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: terrible defensive teams on paper. Get a little lucky, you

712
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And just the middle of the

713
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: pack at least will be the twentie defense in the league.

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Speaker 1: And I think Mike Smith will be a coordinator for

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Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay organization next year. Mark, Mike Smith, poor guy. Alright,

716
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Speaker 1: moving over to the a f C, let's pick another

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Speaker 1: team where we disagree. Mark, you have the Ravens as

718
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Speaker 1: the middle of the pack team. Chris really likes him

719
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: number eight in his rankings. That really surprised me. I

720
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: have the Steelers and Ravens just about neck and neck

721
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: as the team in the a f C, right behind

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00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: the Patriots and the Broncos and the Ravens I feel

723
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: like their defense was pretty good last year Top ten defense.

724
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Speaker 1: They probably got just a little bit better this year there,

725
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 1: and they got a lot better on offense. I expect

726
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: him and the Redskins they have the most improved offenses

727
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: in the league. I really liked what I saw from

728
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Speaker 1: them in the preseason opener. I think Flacco is an

729
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: excellent fit for Kubi X boot action scheme, and I

730
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Speaker 1: think the running backs are better fits for a scheme too.

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Speaker 1: I had them at fifteen and the a f C

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Speaker 1: North and for many many years, which was dominated by

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Speaker 1: Baltimore and Pittsburgh, and you know, Cincinnati obviously a much

734
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Speaker 1: tougher out in the last three seasons, but their records

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Speaker 1: were often inflated by playing a Cleveland team that sat down.

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Speaker 1: They swept them over and over, and Cincinnati often has

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Speaker 1: had trouble in its own division. Andy Dalton has a

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Speaker 1: lower completion percentage against the a f C North than

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Speaker 1: Brandon Wheaton did, so I think that's gonna change a

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Speaker 1: little bit this year, and Baltimore is going to be

741
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: tested by its own division a little bit more than

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Speaker 1: it was last season. In the past, I had the

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Speaker 1: fifteenth that could still be an eight and eight record,

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Speaker 1: So I don't see I still I see what Chris sees. Um.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna go as smoothly as he predicts.

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Speaker 1: But fifteenth is middle of the pack, and that's what

747
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: I that's where I have. The Ravens is aggressive. You

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Speaker 1: not only have them fourth in the conference and head

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Speaker 1: of teams like the Colts and Chargers, Bengals who are

750
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: pretty talented. But you know, well, I had of some

751
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: talented NFC teams like the car the Bears, Lions, Eagles.

752
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: The Ravens kind of remind me of the Falcons discussion.

753
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: We just have Chris that you're probably putting some faith

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Speaker 1: in the organizational d n A essentially that we've seen

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00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: this team be so consistent, which now that that we

756
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: do we just have faith for instance, in Mike Smith

757
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: and Thomas de Mittrough and Matt Ryan in Atlanta, or

758
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: faith in John Harbor and Joe Flacco Nazie News in

759
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: Baltimore that these this is the type of organization that's

760
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: gonna be good year after year, and that last year

761
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: was an anomaly, that's part of it. That's part of it.

762
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: But when you compare them to teams like the Cardinals.

763
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Speaker 1: I don't think the Cardinals are more talented than the Ravens.

764
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Speaker 1: I think the Ravens are a better team top to

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00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: bottom than the Cardinals. I would disagree with that. Although

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Speaker 1: do you think that Ravens just wildly underachieved last year? Why? Why? Do?

767
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty easy to pinpoint where the season

768
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: went wrong. It starts on the offensive line, it goes

769
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: to the running game, and it extends to Flacco because

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Speaker 1: by the end of the season, Flacco had no one

771
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: to throw to, no offensive line to block four him,

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Speaker 1: and the running game to take the pressure. They always

773
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Speaker 1: want to be a running team, and I feel like

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Speaker 1: they fixed all of that this offseason. Well, you see

775
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Speaker 1: the division really going back to what it was a

776
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Speaker 1: few years ago, because you have the Steelers and Ravens

777
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Speaker 1: at the top, not only at the top of the division,

778
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: but top eight teams in the NFL. But you have

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Speaker 1: the Cleveland down at number twenty seven four. Mark Sessler,

780
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Speaker 1: if he's sitting here watching the twenty seven best team

781
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Speaker 1: week after week, could be an Ornary Sessler. There's a

782
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Speaker 1: lot of Monday morning there is reasons for I had

783
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Speaker 1: Cleveland at fourteen. That's a huge gap. Seven to four.

784
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Speaker 1: That's a huge gap. But I and people say, oh

785
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: it's man Zelz. I think their offense is going to struggle.

786
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: But their defense, if we want to look at talk

787
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Speaker 1: about it, changes that have been made, additions over the

788
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: last few years. They've built. What is a defense that

789
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: doesn't have a hole? There isn't a position group that

790
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: you say, wow, there's They are really really low baring injuries.

791
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: Cleveland's gonna be in football games. They were in a

792
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: bun last year that went the wrong way and the

793
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: season went south. They were formed four at one point. Again,

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Speaker 1: fourteen is not twelve and four. It's the middle of

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Speaker 1: the pack. That's where I have the long it would be,

796
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't. It doesn't need to be a great season.

797
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Speaker 1: Twenty seven is aggressive. You have to you have to

798
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: view both sides of the ball. Is sort of a

799
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: travesty to go twenty seven and isn't aggressive at all.

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Speaker 1: That's where I would think most people have the Browns

801
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: because that's what they've been And at the bottom of list.

802
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: This is how the NFL works. That's where you put

803
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: your teams that don't have quarterbacks. They don't have a

804
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: quarterback well, we don't know that they don't have a

805
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: quarterback that Manzel is gonna be good this year, or

806
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: at least if they don't even know if he's the

807
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: answer right now, how can I put him? Like? How

808
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: can I put the Browns high up if they don't

809
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 1: know if they have a quarterback? Well, historically, I can't

810
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: argue with what you're saying at all, Chris, But I

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Speaker 1: you're far less optimistic on Manzel now than you were

812
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: three or four months ago. You you thought he would

813
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: be a game changer. I still think if they let

814
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: him play, he will, But yeah, I mean he I

815
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: need I need to see him in Monday Night's game.

816
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: But you know what, I I think that realistic. It

817
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: will be somewhere between where Chris and I picked. That's

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Speaker 1: probably where it will be. I'm just not impressive. I'm

819
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: much closer to Mark on this that I see the

820
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: division all jumbled up. I think the Browns are competitive

821
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: each and every week with that defense and Mike Petton

822
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: and the pieces that they added that could be a

823
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: top five defense. It wouldn't surprise me that much if

824
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: the a f C North has all four teams in

825
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: the mix with three weeks to go in the season,

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Speaker 1: and maybe the Browns only win seven games or eight games.

827
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 1: But on paper, I know it's easy to say on paper,

828
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: there aren't many defenses better than that. I think there

829
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: are a lot more talented. There aren't many offenses worse

830
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: than that. That's fair, and that's but that. But I

831
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Speaker 1: think that evens out. And I think Mike Petton is

832
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: a good enough defensive coach. But to make I like

833
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan as a coordinator too. In general, everywhere he's

834
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: been he's created yards well. And the Hoyer argument doesn't

835
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: make sense to me because even if he does start

836
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: Week one, it's like, it's just a matter of time.

837
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Speaker 1: What's It's not a big difference in the scheme of

838
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: things between Week three and week one. It's not argument.

839
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: It's a quarterback argument. So even if Manzal is a

840
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: pretty good rookie, rookie quarterbacks don't generally win games in

841
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: the NFL. They might keep you in them, but they

842
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: don't generally win them. One x X factor we haven't

843
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: brought up though, because the NFL is deciding that it's

844
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: not going to rule on this until about that. We

845
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: don't know what's up with Josh Gordon. I mean some

846
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: have called it an all or nothing argument where he's

847
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: either out for the year, which I think that that

848
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 1: cripples their offense. No argument there. But if he's back,

849
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: you've got him and Jordan Cameron, you've got a good

850
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: offensive line, they've redone the backfield, and you've got Andrew

851
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: Hawkins and Miles Austin. It's not a terrible offense on

852
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: paper at that point. If Gordon is somehow cleared, it

853
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: is a lot of ifs. But we're if we're assuming

854
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: Gordon's gone for the year, he could be back midway through.

855
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: That's true. I think that the best they could hope

856
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: for is that it will be reduced and he maybe

857
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: he misses half the season. It's crazy that we still

858
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: don't know about Josh Gordon and Alden Smith. That surprises

859
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 1: me because their situation seemingly were over in a week

860
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: or two. I'm not sure what the hold up is,

861
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: but you you would figure we're gonna find out in

862
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: the next week. I would think before cutdown day. So

863
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 1: we disagreed. On the Browns, I'm much closer to Mark.

864
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: I could see them being very frisky. We all kind

865
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: of love the Steelers. These are some of the teams,

866
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: by the way, we agreed on. We all kind of

867
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 1: love the Steelers. The Chargers got a lot of love.

868
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: The Cardinals for the most part, got a lot of love.

869
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: But let's talk about another team in the NFC that

870
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: we disagree on. And to talk about that team, let's

871
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: get on their biggest fan, Kevin Patra. Zach, can we

872
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: call up Mr Patra? Yep, just give me his number.

873
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: All right, we've got Kevin Patra on the line. He

874
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: doesn't even know why we have him. We're just gonna

875
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: am sham with the news that the Detroit Lions are

876
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: one of the teams we disagreed on the most in

877
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: our power ranking predictions. Whatever, Kevin, you actually we're in

878
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: the middle of the pack of us. But I wanted

879
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: to bring you in for this discussion because Chris Westling

880
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: was surprisingly high on the Detroit Lions had a number

881
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: eleven overall, fifth in the NFC, so a playoff team,

882
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: whereas Mark Sessler had him pretty low nine overall eleven

883
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: in the NFC. Out of out of those two Patra,

884
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: which do you think would be more right? What should

885
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: I go with my heart or my head well, combine

886
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: them with what's right. That's pretty much where I ended up,

887
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: right in the middle. I think there's a lot of

888
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: question marks. We still haven't seen whether the defense can

889
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: step up last year, and in that division you can't

890
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: play defense. I mean, they're gonna be in shootouts, and

891
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: we know Matthew Stafford has one shootout. Is there a

892
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: chance that against good teams? Is there a chance that

893
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: coaching staff is awful, like really fall two first time

894
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: coordinators Jim Caldwell, who directed the worst offensive performance in

895
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens history last year. Is there like any chance

896
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: it just totally falls apart. I'm so confused about this team.

897
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm serious, I'm not I would be more concerned about

898
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: the coordinators lack of experience, because I don't I don't

899
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: think Caldwell is going to be calling many of the shots.

900
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: I mean, they brought Lombardi and bring in the New

901
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: Orleans system. So unless it completely falls apart in the beginning,

902
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: which after you know, the one series we saw them

903
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: in the first presson, we didn't. They looked up, They

904
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: looked pretty good, Golden Pay had a good route, they

905
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: looked all right. Unless it falls apart. I don't think

906
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: Cold was gonna have much stay in it. So it's

907
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: pretty much gonna be on the two coordinators and the

908
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: defensive line is still pretty much gonna play the exact

909
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: same way they did last year, and if they don't improve,

910
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: I don't see much on the back west. Why are

911
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: you so high at him? Brought this up on a

912
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: recent podcast. I remember early last year how high several

913
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: of us were on their offense because defenses could not

914
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: stop Reggie Bush and Calvin Johnson when they're on the

915
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: same field together. Bushcut injured, some other things happened, They

916
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: lost some receivers in the offense kind of went down

917
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: a wormhole. But now you bring in Golden Tate, who

918
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: I think any of our long time listeners know I'm

919
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: very high on and I think he's a very good

920
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: number two. You're bringing Eric Ebron, who was compared to

921
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: Vernon Davis is for his receiving abilities. You can't double

922
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 1: team or triple team Calvin Johnson anymore. You can't double

923
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: team Reggie Bush out of the backfield. You've got Joke Bell,

924
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: You've got Theo Riddick. I think you have a lot

925
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: more weapons this year and if it means we don't

926
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: see Chris Durham and Ryan Broyle's and Kevin oagletree, I

927
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: think you have one of the best offenses in the NFL.

928
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: There's you can't really double team too many guys on this.

929
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,479
Speaker 1: I mean they're gonna be They're gonna be some great

930
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: matchup for the Lions this year. I have them at

931
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: go ahead Kevin no Well, I was gonna say. I

932
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: think Golden Tate is the keep of all of that.

933
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: I think Ebron is gonna come wrong long, slowly. Yet

934
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: we haven't heard great things about his play so far,

935
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: so I think he's gonna be one of those guys

936
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: if he makes a jump, it's gonna be the second

937
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: half of the season, which where we've seen them blow

938
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: up in the last couple of years. I think some

939
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: of that on Ebron beat writer's over rate dropped passes,

940
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 1: because that's really they don't understand all the nuances of football,

941
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 1: so it becomes obvious when a player drops a pass

942
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: that that's a mistake. Well, I don't care if you

943
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: Brons dropping passes. In the preseason game, he didn't look

944
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: like he wasn't sharp. He has trouble blocking I can

945
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: ask Lions fans if drop passes are overrated at the

946
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: tight end position, because Brandon pedigree has probably cost them

947
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: three or four games on his own. Well, I think

948
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: if you compile a bunch over several seasons in a row,

949
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: that's not overrated. But seeing one practice and got dropped

950
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: a couple of passes, that tends to be overrated. Mark

951
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: you see him down on the Lions. I'm not down

952
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: on them. I mean, honestly, I picked the nineteenth. There's

953
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: not that much difference between the twelfth and nineteen team.

954
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: I've got them third in the division. I think Chicago

955
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: will outplay them, and I have Green Bay winning the division.

956
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: That division is gonna eat itself up. You know, a

957
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: lot of this that we're talking about over you know,

958
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: and Stafford's got the numbers. We don't question that. I

959
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: just I think it's easy at this point to look

960
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: at the team on paper and say they're gonna have

961
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: a field day. I'm not ready to call Eric Ebron

962
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: uh Vernon Davis yet. I need to see some of

963
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: this happen on the field. Theoretic was out of the

964
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: Browns game in two plays, got his ass kicked. It's like, well, no,

965
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but some of this is off season. There's

966
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: a lot of reason for hope. But then the games

967
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: start and Detroit to me is is the third team

968
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: in that division. I don't think that's even that negative.

969
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: I think that there will be a good football team

970
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: that comes in third and just misses the playoffs. It's

971
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: probably the content is and they're the team where if

972
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: we made these rankings at various points in the off season,

973
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: my ranking would have changed that. At one point, I

974
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: thought I'm picking the Lions to the playoffs. I was

975
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: right on the edge of doing it last year and

976
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: I went with the Panthers, which worked out. But I

977
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: was thinking, maybe the Lions are a playoff team this year,

978
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: because I do think they're talented enough. But the longer

979
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: I've thought about and sat with it, now I could

980
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: see them being last place in that division. Part of

981
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,919
Speaker 1: the defense. I think we just sit around and talk

982
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: about it too much that I should you should go

983
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: with your first gut, probably, but it's we've just been

984
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: living with this without any real new game information for

985
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: so long that I just kind of it's the coaching

986
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: staff that basically starting to freaquent out. We need a

987
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: Patrick prediction here, Patrick, Yeah, what what do you got

988
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: for them this year? I haven't right world Mark has.

989
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: And third, I think I have one game behind the

990
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 1: Bears because I don't think they can win those last

991
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: two games. I think they'll be on the press post.

992
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: But they have played at Chicago and at Green Bay

993
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: and they can't win in cold weather on the road.

994
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: They can't win green Bay period. And I don't see

995
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: m winning in Chicago late in season either, And I

996
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: think those last two games are gonna end it for him.

997
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: All right, August two thousand and what years it? Four

998
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: year of the two thousand? You know you have problems.

999
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: I've really had different points have are? I am not

1000
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: aware of how old I am. Does that ever happen

1001
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: to you? You forget what your ages? I don't believe

1002
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: whatever happened to me that's happened to me, Mark am

1003
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: I I'm on on an island on this one night.

1004
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 1: I do not I do not care what my ages.

1005
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't even know what like someone will ask and

1006
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: I have to think hard about it. Uh. But anyways,

1007
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: we're marking down this day because that's the drop we're

1008
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: gonna use Kevin when the Lions surprise everyone and make

1009
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and we'll point it out you never had

1010
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: any faith to begin with. I hope, I hope to

1011
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: God it happen. I hope I'm completely wrong. All Right, Kevin, Uh,

1012
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you next time. Thanks, Thanks for chiming in, alright,

1013
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: appreciate it. All right, We're gonna wrap up with a

1014
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: very quick speed round of another couple of teams that

1015
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: we disagreed on. Uh, let's talk about the Eagles a

1016
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: little bit. West. You had him down at seventeenth. That's

1017
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: lower than the rest of the group. I was pretty

1018
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: close to you. I see them as a middle of

1019
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: the pack NFL team. Patrick had him up number seven.

1020
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: Sessler likes them too. Why you seem relatively down on

1021
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: the Eagles? They got extremely lucky last year, like historically lucky.

1022
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: They lost fewer games to injury than any team in

1023
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: the league. By football outside outsiders measurements that first place

1024
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: team generally goes to fifteenth the next year in games

1025
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: lost to injury. Now, it's possible Chip Kelly has hit

1026
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: on some formula to handle soft tissue injuries that the

1027
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: rest of the league doesn't have, or to prevent them

1028
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: but smoothies. Yeah, that's true. I should not underestimate personalized smoothies. Uh.

1029
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: And they also turn over battle. They finished near the

1030
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: top and that and that tends to regress towards the

1031
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: middle of the pack as well. I feel like they're

1032
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot more unlucky that Yeah, you've got

1033
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: a surprise NFC East champion. Well, going by the Greg

1034
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: Rosenthal mandate that you can't have just the same playoff

1035
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: teams as last year, I had to work the Redskins

1036
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: in as my innergy on me, you could do whatever

1037
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: what You're a grown man. You're picking the team that

1038
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: won in two years ago. That's not a shock. None

1039
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: of these teams would be a shock. And that's why

1040
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: I kind of had the Eagles in the middle of

1041
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: the pack, even if I think they're the best of

1042
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: the bad. The bunch in that division that they all

1043
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: seem they're like the low grade a f C North.

1044
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: The a f C North to me, is all mixed

1045
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: together and no one stands out, but they're intriguing, Whereas

1046
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: the NFC East is a bunch of teams mixed together

1047
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: and they're lousing. You know, last year, everyone didn't take

1048
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: the Eagles. Seriously, they underrated them. I picked them to

1049
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: win the division. I was gonna say, except for you, Greg,

1050
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: and you've got some You've got some kudos for that.

1051
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: But now it's happening again. They're gonna make the playoffs,

1052
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: They're gonna win the division. I could see that. I

1053
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: disagreed with you guys on the Saint Who do you

1054
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: trust in more? J Gruden or Chip Kelly. That's a

1055
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: fair point. I can't wait till their videos in video

1056
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: cameras taping in here so our listeners can see the

1057
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: look of absolute disdain and pleasure on Sessler's face. Says

1058
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: he made that point. It was like Dave Gruden was

1059
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: in the room. Factors in who's running the show. It's

1060
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: not just you know, names on the roster and analytics,

1061
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: and the Redskins are a rare team. Uh, And some

1062
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: people probably fairly or unfairly due to this to the

1063
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: Browns that it's just the organization that I just assume

1064
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: everything they do will go wrong because they haven't proven

1065
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: me wrong on that. And a lot of the same

1066
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: pieces that are that we're in place before for the

1067
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: Redskins struggling are still in place now. A confusing power

1068
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: vacuum where you don't know who's exactly picking the players.

1069
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: Some free agent big name pickups. It I don't know.

1070
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm not with it. Another team we disagreed on, and

1071
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: we'll wrap up with this one. The Saints. You guys

1072
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: have them number one in the league. We both did. Yeah,

1073
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: who cares about all the riff raft below, it's up top.

1074
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: We both see New Orleans for what they are, this

1075
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: year's super Bowl champion. Yeah. Not not a huge shock

1076
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: that a lot of agreement in the top five in general, Saints, Seahawks, Broncos, Packers,

1077
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: you know, and on most lists of Patriots and forty

1078
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: Niners weren't far behind, or they were even in the

1079
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: top five. I didn't have the scenes that high. I

1080
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: don't think they're a great team. I don't. I think

1081
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: they're a good team, but I don't see them as

1082
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 1: a top eight sort of team. I can't wait until

1083
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl parade win, Mark and I are invited

1084
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: onto the float like that? What riding a wave of

1085
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: euphoria and Greg New orleans favorite son just kicked to

1086
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: the curb because he had no faith in them. What

1087
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: he'll be forced to maybe write a story on it

1088
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: from Culver City. Wait wait, hold on number one. Their

1089
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: defense we've had. We talked a lot about their defense.

1090
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: They're doing some exciting stuff with their safeties. Rob Bryan

1091
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: total redemption story. You want to talk about trusting the team.

1092
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: I always trust Sean Payton with this offense and Drew Brees.

1093
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what they're what's not to like about

1094
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: New Orleans right here? You well, the health of their

1095
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: second year. We don't know for sure if Jared's bird

1096
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: is gonna be ready for Week one and overrated, and

1097
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: I agree with that that their little thin at cornerback.

1098
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: I think they did as well as they possibly could

1099
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: have on defense last year. They're not getting better on

1100
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: They lost a lot more games to injury on defense

1101
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: last year than they will this year, probably because they

1102
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: lost a ton of games to injury on defense last year.

1103
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: I think they're a lot healthier now, and they finished

1104
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 1: fourth in defense. And Rob Ryan's first year and they

1105
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: held training camp at a swank resort in West Virginia,

1106
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: we are going to lose some games to injury. When

1107
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: Dan sees the runtime of this particular podcast, I was

1108
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: gonna wrap it up on your a great dig on

1109
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: me stuck in Culver City for the Super Bowl, but

1110
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 1: you went on all right. That's it, uh Zack. It's

1111
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: been great to have you here. We'll have you back

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Speaker 1: on Monday. Until then, I'm Greg Rosenthal signing off for

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Chris Westley and Kevin Patra and Dan hands

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Speaker 1: In