WEBVTT - Mystery Man 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.120 And I think with Becky, I feel like Becky has 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:06.720 a more similar personality to me, and that is that 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:09.959 the girl will always land on her feet, and she 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:13.000 will get knocked down, but she will wipe herself off 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:16.400 and get back up again. And I would say that 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:20.119 Becky is really She's so positive, and she's so warm, 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.920 and she's so loving despite all of the heartache that 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:27.080 she has been exposed to, or maybe because you know, 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.520 she had two parents who really tried hard to make 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:33.560 her feel safe and loved. I think that she has 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:36.199 the right to know who her father is, and I 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.440 think just because her mother refused to tell her doesn't 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.599 make it any less valid desire to know. I mean, 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:45.720 any I think we all have the fundamental right to 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:49.920 know who our parents are, And obviously I support her 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:51.959 trying to find out who it. 0:00:52.000 --> 0:01:08.039 Is that was Elena, Becky's former babysitter, who, like many 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.640 people in Becky's life, recognize that despite what she's endured 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:13.720 in her life and some of the choices she made 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:18.240 early on, she's ultimately become a fundamentally good person, the 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:22.280 complete opposite of who her mother is. Whatever darkness lives 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:25.440 inside of Diane downs and whatever that may exist genetically 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.760 inside Becky Bobcock, she's pushed past it to lead a 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:32.039 life and become a person who's nothing like her biological mother. 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:35.280 And so I think there was this sort of this 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:41.000 Diane shaped void inside of her that she's always trying 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:44.600 to bring the drugs and the men and everything too. 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:51.600 And I remember sensing she can't quite fill it with 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:55.600 what she's trying to fill it with. And so I mean, 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.760 she would talk about really sort of crying out to 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:02.160 God and saying, please help me. I don't know who 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:06.440 I really am I just the daughter of this crazy killer, 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:09.720 or am I this person who's going to have my 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:14.160 own life and my own identity and I don't want 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:17.399 to be known as the daughter of Diane Downs anymore. 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:20.519 And I think by the time we were done talking 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.120 with her, she was pretty much it felt like she 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:28.120 was shaking the dust of Diane off of her, because 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:32.280 I think she makes the decision once they have some 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:34.560 communication her and Diane, that she's not going to go 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.359 She's not going to go back there, which is what 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:42.240 Diane wanted. Please come visit me, let's talk, let's you 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:47.360 know whatever. And so for Becky to say, you know what, 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.160 I'm making the decision. I really don't want to be 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.520 involved in that, and so I have some control over 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.160 a few things. And this is what I'm going to do, 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:57.480 and it's going to feel better that I got to 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:57.799 do it. 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.239 From the time he met Becky and as he got 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.200 to know her, Eric Mason supported the idea of Becky 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:11.239 searching for her father. 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:12.359 Oh. 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:17.360 I thought it was a really good idea, because she's 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.680 looking for grounding. That's what I always felt about Becky 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:25.000 from the day she showed up at that pizza parlor 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.360 in Bend and I looked across the table and said, Wow, 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:35.480 that is Diane's daughter. And she just had so many 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.080 plans and dreams. It's like I would like to be 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:41.800 a nurse and I would like to help people, and 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:45.760 I have all these plans, and my Mercedes needs parts 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:49.119 and I need to get it fixed, and I need 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.440 to find a better place to live. And there was 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:59.160 this orbit around Becky that felt a little bit like 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:04.760 the orbit and the energy and the spin around Diane. 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:09.240 But certainly she had a lot more control and grounding, 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:17.240 and she understood that if she wasn't careful, the undertow 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.760 of all of that could pull her under and that 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:23.960 she'd be lost. And so I think she really was 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:29.719 introspective and really wanted to make changes and not be 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.560 like her mom. And so you know, she got involved 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:41.040 in a church, and she really did some self examination 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:45.960 when she would sense herself going down the rabbit hole 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:50.000 of drugs and men and chance meetings and all of 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:51.040 those things. 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:52.560 And she. 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.120 Would pull herself short and say, you know what, I 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:01.240 can't go down those roads because for my she's in 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:04.840 prison for the rest of her life. So I think 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.880 she wanted to make contact, some limited contact with mom, 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.280 but really did want to find out who her real 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:14.120 biological father was. And that made sense and it was 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:15.680 a good thing. I thought it was a great thing. 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:19.320 Michelle Leonard, the DNA detective who was key in helping 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:22.559 Becky confirm that she was, without a doubt, Diane Down's 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:26.320 biological daughter, reached out again, and this time with news 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.000 about Becky's paternal side. 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.640 It's been several weeks since we all convened with Michelle 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:37.080 at the DNA detective and Becky and now Michelle had 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.520 some breakthroughs in your case, Becky, So I wanted to 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.000 have this meeting so we could go over her findings 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.560 and I'll turn it over to you, Michelle. 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:51.880 Okay, Hi, Melissa, Hi, Becky H. So last time we 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:58.080 had a session where we talked about my first impressions 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:03.359 of your DNA results, and there were some important clues 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:05.640 that I was able to share with you at that 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:11.640 time about your recent immigrant ancestry coming from areas like Poland, 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:16.280 Ukraine and perhaps the Netherlands. But this time, what we're 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.160 going to do is much more of a deep dive 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:23.480 into your actual DNA matches and their ancestry, and I'm 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:26.040 going to go through the research I've been doing and 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.520 talk you through how I've come to certain conclusions about 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:30.760 your paternal ancestry. 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:34.440 Jumping off from the jackpot match she previously discovered, Michelle 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.120 was able to narrow down the relationship of the match. 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.839 You've spent you know, most of your life wondering about, 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.839 and to see it in black and white is a 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.800 big thing. It really is. And of course you have 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:51.880 what I named the jackpot match, a paternal match sharing 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:56.839 around the same amount of DNA as your maternal uncle. Therefore, 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.880 this is a very close paternal relative. And I had 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.600 worked out the last time that it has to either 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.840 be a paternal half sister because this is a female match, 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:12.000 or a paternal full aunt. The other option was grandparent, 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.640 but that doesn't work because this person is matching to 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.720 all of the different clusters of matches that I'm seeing 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.280 on your paternal side, so that means she's matching to 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.920 both your paternal grandparents. Therefore, she can only be a 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.280 paternal half sister or aunt. But of course she doesn't 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.600 have a name. She just has a user name with 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:34.160 a set of letters and numbers that aren't easy to decipher, 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.840 and she doesn't have a tree, So we need to 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:38.520 look at other matches to try to get to the 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:40.440 bottom of this and try and work out who she 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:46.120 is and who your biological father is. So if we 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.920 scroll down your match list, the first thing you're going 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.200 to know is exactly what I'm saying about all of 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:55.160 these maternal matches. I have been grouping your matches into 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.800 color coded clusters, if you like, So I've been putting 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.880 all the maternal matches into one group, and the maternal 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.680 matches are here, and you'll see that as you scroll down. 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:10.280 It's maternal, maternal, maternal, maternal, maternal, and the first useful 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:15.840 match that doesn't match to your maternal matches is this one. 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:20.240 And we're going to call this man Hugo Kowalski. 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.320 Just to note, Michelle isn't using any real names in 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.320 order to make sure the identity of Becky's paternal relatives 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:27.160 stay private. 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:33.280 So Hugo Kowalski is a pseudonym of my making, and 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:38.280 he is the first interesting paternal match. Now he's sharing 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:42.360 much less DNA than your massive jackpot match, of course, 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:46.760 only one hundred and thirty eight centi morgans. But if 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.160 we look at the probability chart for that, we'll see 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.559 that it tells us it's fifty percent likely that this 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.600 is a second cousin, once removed a half second cousin, 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.319 a first cousin, three times removed a half first cousin Dwight. 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.120 He's removed lots relationships there. 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:05.599 In order to start untangling the complicated web of potential relationships, 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.480 Michelle has to dive into the relationships and start putting 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.440 together a family tree. Sometimes the information is geographical, so 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.840 the work Michelle is doing requires more than just the 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:16.800 ability to analyze d and A results. 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:18.760 If you look at a tree and you say, okay, 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:23.280 here's me, here's my parent, here's my grandparent, here's my 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:27.400 great grandparents. So that's that number of generations removed from 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:29.959 the common ancestors. And then you say, okay, here's a cousin, 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.080 there's their parent, there's their grandparent, and there's the same 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.040 great grandparents. Okay, so we're on exactly the same level. 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.360 It is so much easier when you look at it 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.640 visually than when you're trying to explain it in words. 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:43.760 But it is all to do with the number of 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.760 generations away from the common ancestors between the two people. 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:52.280 And that's so so important in this case because we've 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.320 got all these relationships to look at, but how do 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.800 we narrow them down? So Hugo is a great match 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.280 to get on his own, but as you can see, 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.640 there's only one shared match with him, and that shared 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:07.880 match also has ancestry that goes back to Ukraine, but 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:11.439 also an area that a lot of people call Galicia, 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:18.479 the Galicia area of eastern Europe. So when people immigrated 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:23.400 from this area to the United States or other countries 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.640 in the eighteen and nineteen hundreds, often they would say 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.600 they're from Galicia, but sometimes they would say they're from Poland. 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.160 Sometimes they'd say they're from the Ukraine. Sometimes they'd say 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:37.199 they're from Austria. Sometimes they say they're from Hungary. It 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.559 was part of the Austro Hungarian Empire at one point. 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.200 So that's why you might see in summer older records 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.920 someone says they're from Austria when an actual fact, they're 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.960 from the Ukraine as we would know it now. So 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:52.040 this is the area that you have strong ancestry from, 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:58.320 and very recent strong ancestry from. Found a cousin, if 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.880 he is perhaps a first of one of your grandparents, 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:06.120 then I want to know who his parents and grandparents were. Well. 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.280 I could only get as far as his parents because 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.640 they were both immigrants and they came from the Galicia 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.959 region to Canada. 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.880 Once Michelle has names and backgrounds, she starts doing a 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:31.560 deep dive on social media accounts and even obituaries in 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:35.040 order to find potential relationships. Michelle continues to unpack the 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:39.080 relationships that unfall from this discovery, naming cousins, grandparents, aunts, 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.040 and uncles down the paternal line. The lions cross and 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:45.319 get somewhat complicated, but thanks for a visual buildout, Michelle 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.120 is able to keep everything together. 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:49.719 And I do a lot of Facebook slothing to try 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:52.160 and work these things. So that is a good way 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.959 to go. So I built a few lines out and 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:58.920 I looked at Vadim and Ella in particular, and I 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.040 found that they had a door. Melissa was the act 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:07.160 or of the eighteen eighties, and I traced Melissa's line 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:12.560 forward and she married a man named Walter have Lenko. Now, 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.240 this is one of these moments that I call a 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:20.240 Eureka moment because we've seen that name before. And I 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.760 call it a Eureka moment because it's that moment where 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.839 while we're building this large jigsaw puzzle and we're putting 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.000 these pieces on the board, two of the most important 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:30.680 pieces have come together. 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:34.320 And then Michelle's one step closer to Becky's father. 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:39.439 And I also was able to source John and Esther's obituaries, 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:43.160 and those obituaries told me that they only had those 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:47.280 two children. They only had those two daughters. Now, looking 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:50.360 at this, I was convinced at this point that these 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:55.400 two people are your direct ancestors. You descend directly from 0:12:55.600 --> 0:13:01.120 Esther and John. You have DNA to both their of ancestors, 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:06.600 and they come together in Canada. So I believe you 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:13.839 descend from one of their children. Yes, okay, So looking 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.680 at these people Esther and John, if you descend directly 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:21.760 from them, they were born in the early nineteen hundreds 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:25.199 in the Ukraine. They emigrated to Canada, and they had 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:28.440 these two children in the nineteen thirties. You're born in 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.559 the nineteen eighties. We're looking for a biological father for you, 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:38.160 born around the nineteen fifties. Perhaps, therefore, this next generation, 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.840 the daughters of Esther and John, this has to be 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:46.040 your grandparent generation. One of these two women is almost 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:47.040 certainly your grandmother. 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:49.840 And from the grandparents, Michelle is able to narrow down 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:51.079 the connection even more. 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:56.280 Oh yeah, so Katia, I've called her Katia Pavlenko, born 0:13:56.280 --> 0:14:00.360 in the thirties in Canada. And guess what she went 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.360 to the United States. And guess what she did in 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:07.400 the United States. She got married to a man who 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.240 came from the Netherlands. 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:10.200 Oh. 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.800 I found they got divorced in a particular state in 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.640 the United States in the nineteen seventies. And later I 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:17.800 found that they had married in the fifties and they 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.120 had three children. I have used the surname Jensen for 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.320 your paternal grandfather. So I've called him Yan Jensen. He 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:28.200 was born in the twenties in Northern Holland in the Netherlands. 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:33.360 He immigrated to Canada as an infant, and in the 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:37.600 nineteen fifties he came to the United States permanently. But 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.160 I have found a great document from the nineteen forties 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:43.280 where he's crossing the border, and it actually gives us 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.480 some information on his description, a description of his appearance. 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.120 It tells us he's six foot three inches in height, 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:55.840 got a fair complexion, very tall, blonde, blue eyes, quite 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.360 typical Netherlands male description. 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.960 There. So a really interesting fact when I was young 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.200 and started asking questions about who my biological mother and 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.880 father were, I was actually given that exact description for 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:10.560 what my biological father was. 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.120 And from this description of Becky's grandfather, she understands that 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.040 the description that's been given of her biological father is 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:18.240 most likely accurate. 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:23.760 So at this point I found that Katia Pavlenko married 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:28.600 this Dutch Man, Yan Jensen, in the United States and 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:33.960 they had three children. Now, Yan passed away a few 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:38.960 years ago, and I did find his obituary as well, 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.960 which confirmed that he had immigrated to Canada as an 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.640 infant and had come to the United States in nineteen 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:49.120 fifty and that he'd lived in Oregon. Wow, and that's 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.800 where he had died. So Yan and Katya had three 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:57.240 children during their marriage between the nineteen fifties and the 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:02.760 early nineteen seventies when they divorced, and those three children Matt, 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:08.360 Richard and Louisa. Now, at this point I was fairly 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:12.680 certain on who had to be your biological father. 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.560 And now with Becky's father identified, Michelle takes a somewhat 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.800 careful approach of identifying him to Becky, starting with some 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:20.920 of the questions she's had. 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:25.640 First off, I remember that it says that he was 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:30.600 a little younger than Diane. That's true, he was slightly 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:38.280 younger than Diane. Another thing is, of course, the appearance, 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:43.520 the description. And I'm just going to sharing for a 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.400 second and read a couple of things here. 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.480 I just saw in there it says he's still living. 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:50.600 He is still alive. 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.080 Yes, Becky, how do you feel right now? I'm looking 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:55.040 at you on the screen. 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.360 Your face is blank. What are you thinking. 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:01.760 I'm trying not to cry. 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:03.120 Let's just take a moment. 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:07.119 This is really monumental, really monumental, and I don't want 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.280 this to be trivializer dismissed. 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:10.960 This is really massive. 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:15.639 He's alive, which means that he's most likely known about me, 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.760 And that's what's pretty hard for me right now. If 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:23.720 I remove all emotion from it, I'm super curious what 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:27.159 his name is, because you know, Diane had given me 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:31.320 a certain name, and I'd heard names over the years 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.440 and stuff. So it's I mean, there's that curiosity of 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:38.680 who he is with the emotional part removed, but there's 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.879 also the emotional part that's just flooding right now. 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.959 So we're at the point now where one of the 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:53.640 sons of Jan Jensen and Katia Pavlenko must be your 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:57.320 biological father. And I believe it is their son that 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.560 has been named Matt Jensen. And I'm going to go 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:05.119 over some of the additional evidence for that that isn't 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.840 just the DNA. I have found a description of him 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.919 which tells us that he has six foot three inches 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:17.360 tall and has brown hair, which completely matches the description 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:19.199 already given. 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:20.880 Yeah. 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:29.040 Additionally, there's location. This Matt Jensen is on a US 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:34.119 index with an address in Cottage Grove, Oregon. Now, the 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.199 date of this address isn't given, but it is prior 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:41.320 to nineteen ninety three, and I have tracked where he 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.280 was in the nineteen seventies. Therefore, he has to have 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.000 been living in Cottage Grove in the nineteen eighties, which 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:50.040 means he was in the right place at the right time. 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.280 Becky also learns that she has a half sister. Michelle 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.280 reveals this information to Becky and explains this could be 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.080 another potential point of contact. 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.239 How does that make you fail, Becky? Hearing you have 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:02.560 a half sister. 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:08.800 Hopeful Christy and Danny didn't want a relationship with me, 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:13.480 which I completely respected, it understood, But I mean maybe 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:18.159 this person might or you know, maybe it would just 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:23.399 be nice to know them. I mean, I don't know. 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.760 It's all a lot, it's overwhelming right now, but I'm ready. 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:33.119 You know, it's very hard to take such news like 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.359 this in and it takes time. It takes time to 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.520 take it in and to understand it and to come 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:39.359 to terms with it. 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.639 With Becky's mother being who she is, Michelle is ready 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.640 with the background information of Becky's father, confirming that he's 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:46.760 nothing like Diane. 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:51.000 I have not been able to find anything for your 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:55.200 biological father. Other than he's a successful man. He runs 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:59.440 a business. There's no criminal record. Rather than a speeding fine, 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.800 I think nothing of any That's where I got the 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:07.600 description of his physical features. A thirty dollars speeding fine 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.400 is the worst thing I can find for him. He 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:15.520 is educated, he comes across as intelligent. His daughter is 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:19.760 a high flying person in her chosen profession. I can't 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:23.520 find anything about the family that gives me any concerns 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:26.600 as to who they are. There's no news clippings of 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:30.760 him having done anything wrong at all. That's good. 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:36.119 So I have a question. Was he a reporter? Yes, 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:44.480 that's what we all thought. 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.040 And now the only step that remains for Becky is contact. 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.639 Michean and Becky avoided contacting the jack Pop Match previously 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:55.080 in order to prevent jeopardizing any chance Becky may have 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:56.240 and making contact. 0:20:56.800 --> 0:21:01.480 Now you remember, I was very reticent contacting the Jackpot 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:04.920 match because I thought, if it's a half sister, we 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:07.879 could be opening that can of worms and taking away 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:10.719 his chance to tell her himself if he wanted to. 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:13.840 And so it's a good thing that now we know 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.159 for sure that that is who she is, that we 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:17.680 didn't go take that route. 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.760 I agree, because if she doesn't know, that would be 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:24.200 kind of a scare awakening exactly. 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:27.320 We could have blundered in with a message, Hey, you're 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.359 a close match, who are you? Blah blah blah, and 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:32.520 we might have got the answer much quicker and easier, 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:37.600 but we could have taken away your chance of having 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:42.679 any meaningful contact if that upset your biological father and 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:46.160 he decided he didn't want to know because we had 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:51.640 blundered in and told his daughter something that is Yeah. 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:53.560 What begins to dawn on Becky is that he's been 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:56.359 near her the entire time and has likely known as 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:58.520 relationships for this entire time. 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:04.000 In general, it's often said, especially in the United States, 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:08.960 that it's better for something personal to come in this situation. 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:13.000 That might be true, and it might not. I don't 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:16.560 know for sure, but I wouldn't want you to send 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:20.480 a letter that outlines everything. If he and his wife 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:23.080 are people that open each other's male and his wife 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:25.760 opens it, and that's how she finds out, and that's 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:29.040 that's then a big problem. If you decided on a 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:32.080 letter to his address, then it would have to be 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:35.520 something much more general to begin with, until you could 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:40.040 get some way of being able to communicate with him 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:44.120 that you were one hundred percent sure is private him 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:45.280 and him only. 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:51.399 Yeah, most definitely. I mean, I'm curious about so many things. 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.080 I mean about who he is and his life and 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:57.280 how he knew Diane, and you know, if he really 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:00.680 thought about me, you know, all that stuff. But it's 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:03.920 just been a really long time that I've had those questions, 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:06.359 and now I have the chance to ask them, and 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:08.040 I'm I'm scared. 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:13.720 After Michelle revealed Becky's father's identity to her, including his 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:18.080 immediate family location, and other details including biological information in 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:21.280 some online and public information about him, she did, in 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:24.720 fact reach out. He has declined to participate in the podcast, 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:27.119 so this information is being left out in order to 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:31.119 preserve his public autonomy. Becky reached out carefully through a letter, 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:34.440 explaining very generally what her purpose was and locating him, 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:38.360 and gave her number. He contacted her through what appeared 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:41.520 to be a burner phone, and after confirming her identity 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:43.959 and purpose, he declined to speak at length with her 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:47.320 or answer any of her questions, with the lingering promise 0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:50.199 that he would reach out to her after the holidays. 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:54.720 Becky took some time to absorb this information, to reconcile 0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:57.119 her thoughts and feelings, and what we leave you with 0:23:57.240 --> 0:23:59.159 now is an end to Becky's journey. 0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:02.520 In her own words, he's known that I've been who 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:04.879 I am for at least ten years. I've been in 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:09.479 the media, and he's chosen to stay out of my 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:16.480 life and continues to choose. So I respect it. That's 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:20.120 all I can do. I don't know, but he made 0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:25.040 it extremely clear that he is not interested. I mean, 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:27.320