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Speaker 3: everybody today, but we have a horrible tragedy here in

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Speaker 4: So go ahead, Chrystal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we're going to have breaking news about that

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Speaker 2: mid flight collision between a regional JED and a military helicopter.

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Speaker 2: Tell you everything we know this morning. We're also going

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Speaker 2: to take a look at some of the political news

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Speaker 2: coming out of DC. We had the RFK confirmation yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Tolcy's hearing is going to be today. We're going to

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Speaker 2: The show is a little bit scrambled. We're going to

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Speaker 2: cull the federal workforce. Jeremy Corbell is going to join.

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Speaker 2: We got an answer from the White House sort of

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Speaker 2: Not very satisfying, So Jeremy, I'll do a great job

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Speaker 2: breaking that down. And Peter Binard is going to join

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Speaker 2: me to talk about his new book, Being Jewish after

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Speaker 2: the destruction of goz of It. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 2: break into that horrific news we got last night. A

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Speaker 2: regional jet American Airlines Regional jet that was traveling from Wichita, Kansas,

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Speaker 2: collided last night with a military black Hawk helicopter that

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Speaker 2: was doing a training flight from Belvoir. Sixty four people

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Speaker 2: were on board that American Airlines jet. Three were on

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Speaker 2: board the military helicopter. As far as we know, search

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Speaker 2: and rescue efforts this morning are ongoing in the icy

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Speaker 2: Potomac River at this point, you know, it's hard to

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Speaker 2: imagine that there would be survivors, but we continue to

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Speaker 2: pray for some kind of miracle. Thus far, as of

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Speaker 2: that twenty seven bodies have been recovered of those who

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Speaker 2: were known to be on board. And this is the

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Speaker 2: first major airline accident that we've had in this country

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Speaker 2: since two thousand and nine. I'm going to show you

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Speaker 2: a video that was taken from a nearby webcam that

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Speaker 2: shows the mid air collision and the explosion. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it is horrifying to watch, So just awarding before I

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Speaker 2: go ahead and put this up on the screen. But

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and play this so people can see

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Speaker 2: what we're talking about. This is the approach and then

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Speaker 2: you see this explosion mid air. If you look more

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Speaker 2: the helicopter coming right towards it, and you see the

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Speaker 2: moment of impact and this unbelievable flash in the sky.

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Speaker 2: You know, people who were nearby at DCA, this is

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Speaker 5: They heard a loud boom.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the airport is completely shuttered at this point

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Speaker 2: in time, and you know, there are going to be

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Speaker 2: But let's take a listen to This is actually an

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Speaker 2: Australian News broadcast, but they did a good job of

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Speaker 5: Let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 6: This plane was immediately diverted away from the airport, the

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Speaker 6: passengers watching the horrifying news unfolding beneath them on their

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Speaker 6: in flight screens. The Bitomac splits two states, Maryland and

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Speaker 6: Virginia and Washington, d C. The White House is just

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Speaker 6: Building and some of America's most important national monuments. The

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Speaker 7: It's our deep sorrow about these events. This is a

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Speaker 7: difficult day for all of us at American Airlines, and

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Speaker 2: So that's a little bit of information that was coming

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Speaker 2: in the background. Anyone who's traveled to DC or lives

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Speaker 2: with the approach. The airspace around here is tremendously busy

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Speaker 2: the CNN tearsheet up on the screen as well. That

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Speaker 2: the time of this crash. Through the headline here, FA

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Speaker 2: issues groundstop at Reagan National Airport after passenger plane collides

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Speaker 2: mid air with helicopter, and they say in this article

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Speaker 2: the passenger plane was American Airlines Flight five three four

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Speaker 2: to two, operated by PSA Airlines that was traveling from Wichita, Kansas.

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Speaker 2: I saw some information this morning also that indicated there

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Speaker 2: were a number of kids who were returning from a

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Speaker 2: them were the individuals who were on board that plane

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Speaker 2: was due to land at the airport outside of DC,

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Speaker 2: per CNN Wednesday, even collided midair with that US Army

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Speaker 2: helicopter as it approached the runway. Flight records showed the

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Speaker 2: plane was expected to land around nine pm local time.

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Speaker 2: DC Police that it received calls at eight fifty three

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Speaker 2: pm about an aircraft crash above the Potomac River, so

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Speaker 2: it was just about to land. The US Army Blackhawk

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Speaker 2: helicopter was on a training flight at the time of

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Speaker 2: the incident. The twelfth Aviation Battalion, based out of Fort

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Speaker 2: Belvoir in Virginia, provides helicopter transportation and technical rescue support

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Speaker 2: to the National Capital Region. Remains unclear where the Blackhawk

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Speaker 2: took off from before the collision, so that is by

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Speaker 2: and large what we know soccer at this point.

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Speaker 3: It's just really horrifying, honestly to think about. I drove

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Speaker 3: past the crash eye this morning. The airport remained sealed.

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Speaker 3: Very eerie morning here in Washington. There's no planes up

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Speaker 3: in the sky. As we said, this is one of

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Speaker 3: and it's very heavily controlled. Because it is so sensitive

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Speaker 3: of it on my entire drive in, and it's horrifying

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Speaker 3: to learn from the emergency rescue people. They say that

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Speaker 3: no survivors are expected. We're obviously praying for a miracle

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Speaker 3: knowing some of what's happened, but yeah, for those who

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Speaker 3: aren't aware, you know, coming into this airport, it happens

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Speaker 3: right off of a river. It's very similar if you've

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Speaker 3: ever flown into San Francisco Airport, a similar type of

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Speaker 3: right onto the runway. This is a smaller aircraft, a

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Speaker 3: regional jet that was coming in, so was coming into

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Speaker 3: one of the smaller ones here in Washington, and that

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Speaker 3: appears to be right where the collision.

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Speaker 1: But the big question mark is how this is all possible.

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Speaker 3: I mean, for me, it's genuinely unfathombal that helicopters are

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Speaker 3: criss crossing this runway. I'm told by the Transportation Secretary

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Speaker 3: who just did a press conference this morning. He says,

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Speaker 3: a routine lightpath, of course, of which I had no idea.

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Speaker 3: We can only speculate a little bit at this time.

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Speaker 3: Some of the aviation experts that I've checked in on

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Speaker 3: basically say that it was a perfect storm of horrible

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Speaker 3: things that happened where air traffic control called out to

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Speaker 3: the helicopter told them to watch out for a RJ,

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Speaker 3: which is shorthand for a smaller aircraft regional jet regional jet.

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Speaker 3: There was actually a regional jet that was taking off

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Speaker 3: at the same time. So the speculation is the helicopter

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Speaker 3: to get behind that aircraft. They think that they have

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Speaker 3: plenty of clearance for that takeoff, when meanwhile, what air

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Speaker 3: traffic control really meant was this incoming regional jet that

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Speaker 3: was landing making its final approach. Helicopter pilot's eyes are

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Speaker 3: the left. The other problem is when you're coming down,

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Speaker 3: is that the collision lights apparently on the helicopter would

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of other lights was happening here.

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Speaker 3: You know, as you come down, you're literally landing in

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Speaker 3: so it would have been difficult for the pilot to distinguish.

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Speaker 3: And also literally coming out on top of something and

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Speaker 3: your eyes are trained directly on your landing strip or

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Speaker 1: And that's how that happened.

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Speaker 3: Because that's the most shocking part about the video is

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Speaker 3: now this was an accident, but you know, there's all

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Speaker 3: we have three US Army service members who are on

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Speaker 2: And while that is the case, we know because we've

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Speaker 2: many people raising red flags about do we have enough

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Speaker 2: but that raised a lot of questions about the manufacturer Boeing.

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Speaker 2: This has been something that has been an ongoing concern

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Speaker 2: past couple of years, several times, and now everybody's worst

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Speaker 5: On the job.

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Speaker 2: So now he's having to go out and give a

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Speaker 2: the screen. This is just the official announcement confirming the crash.

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Speaker 2: Here from the FAA, they say PSA Airlines Bombardier C

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Speaker 2: three J CRJ. Sorry if I could read seven hundred

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Speaker 2: regional jet collide in midair with the Sikorski H sixty

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Speaker 2: helicopter commonly known as a black Hawk while on approach

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Speaker 2: to runway thirty three at Reagan Washington, Nash Airport around

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Speaker 2: nine pm local time. PSA was operating that flight as

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Speaker 2: American Airlines departed, from WHICHITA, Kansas, FAA, and NTSB will investigate.

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Speaker 2: The NTSB will lead the investigation. Saga was alluding to

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Speaker 2: the flight path of this regional jet. We have an

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Speaker 2: as it was being tracked here. You can see it

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Speaker 3: all of them you know, just really really tragically lost.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to RFK Junior. So RFK Junior testified yesterday.

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Speaker 3: He will testify again before the United States Senate two

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Speaker 3: different committees that he appears over because HHS is actually

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Speaker 3: split into two the Health and Human Services Department for

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Speaker 3: oversight before the Senate. So this was first you did

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Speaker 3: see the opening of what's we're likely to see more

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Speaker 3: of today.

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Speaker 1: Lots of democratic attacks.

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Speaker 3: Here on RFK Junior using some of his past statements

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Speaker 3: against him. First, we're going to go ahead and take

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Speaker 3: a listen to his opening statement where he thanked President

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Speaker 3: Trump and basically laid out the Make America Healthy Again movement.

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Speaker 3: And we'll get into some of the Q and A.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 8: Today, American's overall health is in grievous condition. Over seventy

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Speaker 8: percent of adults and a third of children are overweight

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Speaker 8: or obese. Is ten times more prevalent than it was

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Speaker 8: during the nineteen sixties. Cancer among young people is rising

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Speaker 8: by one or two percent a year. Autoimmune diseases, neurodevelopmental disorders, Alzheimer's, asthma, ADHD, depression, addiction,

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Speaker 8: and a host of other physical and mental health conditions

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Speaker 8: are all on the rise, some of them exponentially. There

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Speaker 8: is no single culprint in chronic disease. Much as I

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Speaker 8: have criticized certain industries and agencies, President Trump and I

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Speaker 8: understand that most of their scientists and experts genuinely care

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Speaker 8: about American health. Therefore, we will bring together all stakeholders

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Speaker 8: in pursuit of this unifying goal. I want to make

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Speaker 8: sure the committee is clear about a few things. News

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Speaker 8: reports have claimed that I am anti vaccine or any industry.

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Speaker 4: I am neither.

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Speaker 9: I am pro safety, pro vaccine.

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Speaker 3: Protesters behind rfk JR. By the way, don't worry, he

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Speaker 3: was not singled out. It's a Washington tradition to be

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Speaker 3: screamed down by protesters in your confirmation hearing for everybody.

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Speaker 3: Let's get then to what he referenced their vaccine statements.

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Speaker 3: That is where the bulk of a lot of the

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Speaker 3: criticism against RFK JR was concentrated by from a lot

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Speaker 3: of the Democrats. Let's take a listen to some of

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Speaker 3: that questioning.

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Speaker 4: So I'm running out of time.

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Speaker 10: I think the gist of what you were trying to

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Speaker 10: say today is you're really pro vaccine, you want to

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Speaker 10: ask questions. You have started a group called the Children's

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Speaker 10: Health Defense. You're the original note right now is I

484
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Speaker 10: understand that on their website they are telling me what's

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Speaker 10: called onesies, these little things clothing for babies. One of

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Speaker 10: them is diled on Facts Unafraid. Next one of the

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Speaker 10: sould for twenty six bucks a piece. By the way,

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Speaker 10: next one is no vax no problem. Now you're coming

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Speaker 10: before this committee and you say you're pro vaccine, just

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Speaker 10: want to ask some questions, and yet your organization is

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Speaker 10: making money selling a child's product to parents for twenty

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Speaker 10: six bucks, which cast fundamental doubt on the usefulness of vaccines.

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Speaker 10: Can you tell us now that you will, now that

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Speaker 10: you are pro vaccine, that you're going to have your

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Speaker 10: organization take these products off the market?

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Speaker 8: Senator, I have no power over that organization not You're

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Speaker 8: hard of it.

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Speaker 4: I resigned from the board that was just.

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Speaker 11: A few months ago.

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Speaker 4: You founded that. You certainly have power you can make that.

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Speaker 10: How are you supportive of this I have had nothing

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Speaker 10: to do with Are you supportive of these ones?

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Speaker 4: These I'm supportive of vaccines?

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Speaker 10: Are you supportive of these this clo which is militantly

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Speaker 10: anti vaccine?

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Speaker 8: I am supportive of vaccines. Will I want good science

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Speaker 8: and I want to protect but you will not tell.

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Speaker 10: The organization you founded not to continue selling them. Are

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Speaker 10: you lying to Congress today when you say you are

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Speaker 10: a pro vaccine or did you lie on all those podcasts?

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Speaker 11: We have all of the fund tape by the way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Senator.

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Speaker 8: As you know, because it's been repeatedly debunked, that statement

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Speaker 8: that I made on the Lacus Freedman podcast was a

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Speaker 8: fragment of this statement.

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Speaker 4: He asked me and anybody.

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Speaker 8: Who actually goes and looks at that podcast and we'll

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Speaker 8: see this. He asked me, are there vaccines that are

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Speaker 8: saving effective?

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Speaker 4: And I said to them, some of the live.

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Speaker 8: Virus vaccines are, and I said, there are no vaccines

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Speaker 8: that are saving effective. And I was going to continue

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Speaker 8: for every person, every medicine has people who are sensitive

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Speaker 8: to them.

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Speaker 3: Are you supportive of the onesie being the iconic line

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Speaker 3: from the hearing, but basically that I watched the entire

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Speaker 3: thing that was basically a taste of all of the

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Speaker 3: Democratic questioning. Do you want to weigh in before we

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Speaker 3: play the Lex Friedman clip, because that's the one that

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Speaker 3: Ron Wyden referenced in his opening statement and then was

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Speaker 3: brought up several to more times by Senator Cantwell, Senator Bennett,

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Speaker 3: and a few others.

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I would never support RFKA Junior for

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Speaker 2: this position because he has been consistently over the course

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Speaker 2: of the past two decades. I would say anti vax

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Speaker 2: and so I would never support him for this position,

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Speaker 2: But I would respect it more if he would actually

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Speaker 2: rep the position that he has held consistently for the

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Speaker 2: past two decades. And we'll show you the Lex Friedman thing.

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Speaker 2: The thing he says about it is total and complete nonsense,

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Speaker 2: not to mention even if you take that out of it,

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Speaker 2: Like he founded the Children's Health Defense in twenty eleven.

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Speaker 5: He led that organization.

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Speaker 2: It has been consistently anti vax. Now what he'll say is, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm not against vaccines. I just think that one of

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Speaker 2: the existing vaccines are actually safe. He has his own

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Speaker 2: children vaccinated, but he also has said he would do

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Speaker 2: anything to go back and have them not be vaccinated.

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Speaker 2: So listen, there's a lot of people out there now

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Speaker 2: who are anti vacs. Okay, you've succeeded. Your movement has grown.

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Speaker 2: I think that that movement is devastating to public health.

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Speaker 2: I think it's contra to science. And I think that

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Speaker 2: vaccine development has been of one of the greatest inventions

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Speaker 2: of modern medicine in terms of reducing extending life and

555
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Speaker 2: reducing debts, et cetera, et cetera. But you have succeeded

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Speaker 2: in winning a lot of people over this cause. So

557
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Speaker 2: rep that cause, Like, why are you running away from it?

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Speaker 1: Confirmed?

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing that's so pathetic is like, Okay, then,

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Speaker 2: I mean you, like, one of the most preposterous moments

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Speaker 2: here is you guys all know how critical RFK Junior

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Speaker 2: was about the COVID vaccine. Many of you out there

563
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Speaker 2: are probably like on board with his criticisms and actually

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Speaker 2: believe what he says in this confirmation hearing is like

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Speaker 2: Operation Warp Speed was amazing, it was great, The vaccine

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Speaker 2: development was spectacular.

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Speaker 5: It's like, why should.

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Speaker 2: Anyone believe a goddamn word that you have to say

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Speaker 2: about anything when this has been the core of your

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Speaker 2: views and your life's work for the past several decades,

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Speaker 2: and you will just throw it in the garbage so.

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Speaker 5: That you can get closer to power. It's just that's

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Speaker 5: what I would get.

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Speaker 1: It's the only way that you're going to get confirmed.

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Speaker 3: So look, it's politics. I'm not saying I forgive it

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Speaker 3: no necessarily. I do think you probably should have just man,

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Speaker 3: this is part of the problem though, with these confirmation hearings.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's like cable news. You know, you only

579
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Speaker 3: have five minutes of question and answer. You can't really

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Speaker 3: get into it. In terms of what he said for

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Speaker 3: past criticism of MMR and the polio vaccine, his defense

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Speaker 3: and the defense of Maha and all those other people

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Speaker 3: is basically like the if no vaccine can be one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent safe and effective. All vaccines, all medicine has

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Speaker 3: side effects.

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Speaker 1: Look in general, I don't think that.

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Speaker 3: You're wrong that there are a lot of people now

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Speaker 3: whose eyes have really been open to the medical system.

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Speaker 3: And to be honest, I find myself in that category.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I thought RFK Junior was some evil person,

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Speaker 3: and then you know, you learn a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: I thought, COVID vaccine really opens your eyes. So there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of questions here about vaccination schedules and the

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Speaker 3: way that we do things, and that even the legislation

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Speaker 3: that has been passed I think is a legitimate that's.

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Speaker 5: Not his position, but in practice that is not.

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Speaker 1: Of how it will look like as a member of

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Speaker 1: the United States government.

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Speaker 2: And this well, I mean, but that's not really true.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he has a lot of power if he's

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Speaker 2: confirmed in this position, which there's still a question mark about.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that any I mean, I thought the

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Speaker 2: democratic questioning here was much more effective with RFK than

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Speaker 2: it was with Pete Hegseth for example, for one key reason,

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Speaker 2: which is they actually focused on his relevant policy statements

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Speaker 2: relevant to policy for this position. So I do think

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Speaker 2: that they landed some effective blows here not to mention

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Speaker 2: just how how like ridiculous you look to completely change

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Speaker 2: your position on a dime with no real explanation. So

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Speaker 2: if he was just like, oh, you know, maybe we

611
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Speaker 2: should look at the schedule and other European countries do

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Speaker 2: it differently, blah blah blah, that is not what he's

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Speaker 2: been out there to it.

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Speaker 1: I mean true.

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Speaker 2: You know, there was questioning about him and his organization's

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Speaker 2: involvement in these deaths in Samoa, of which you know,

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Speaker 2: the people who were involved there say that the impact

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Speaker 2: that the impact of his lives and his organization's lies

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Speaker 2: helped you contribue not one hundred percent, but helped you

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Speaker 2: contribute to the death of dozens of kids from not

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Speaker 2: getting vaccinated. After there was a you know, horrific human

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Speaker 2: error type accident with regard to the MMR vaccine, they

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Speaker 2: seized on it and lied and said that the whole

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Speaker 2: vaccine was unsafe. People were terrified. They stopped getting their

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Speaker 2: kids vaccinated. There was a virulent outbreak of measles and

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Speaker 2: dozens of kids died. So I listen, there are things

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Speaker 2: that are K Junior says that I actually agree with,

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Speaker 2: especially when it comes to food and pesticides and ultra

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Speaker 2: process foods in particular, if he was up for AG Secretary,

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Speaker 2: I might actually consider putting him in that position because

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Speaker 2: I think that his views are more grounded in science,

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Speaker 2: and I think he could actually effectuate some of the

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Speaker 2: things he cares about with regard to nutrition, healthier lifestyle, etc.

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Speaker 2: Be in a better position to do that as HHS secretary.

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Speaker 2: I think that he could be incredibly actually deadly for

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Speaker 2: this nation, especially as we're heading into the possibility we

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Speaker 2: have an ongoing threat of an avian flu pandemic. There

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Speaker 2: isn't a vaccine. There is a vaccine, by the way,

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Speaker 2: that exists for avian flu. And guess what. RFK Junior

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Speaker 2: has gone out and said that he doesn't think it's safe, so.

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Speaker 1: In it maybe he's right.

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Speaker 3: What do we know about bird flu vaccines? What are

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Speaker 3: we going to trust doctor Fauci and the rest.

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Speaker 1: Of these people Soccer.

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Speaker 3: This is part of what we're getting at here with

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Speaker 3: the HHS. How can it be worse than right now

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Speaker 3: you're saying it's deadly. We are already living in a

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Speaker 3: deadly country.

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Speaker 5: It could be worse. It could be worse.

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Speaker 2: Vaccination, having plio and me outbreaks and these children.

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Speaker 1: Are going to die of diabetes. Answer like the.

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Speaker 3: Health Care for All I understand that that's your position,

653
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Speaker 3: but that's not what the American people voted for.

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Speaker 2: Clearly, like can you even do about nutrition at HHS

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Speaker 2: that that falls under the ad Secretary of better positions

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Speaker 2: and deal with.

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Speaker 3: Dietary guidelines as he talks about with SNAP, he will

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Speaker 3: have immense regulatory authority. I mean, this is part of

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Speaker 3: what I'm talking about with this vaccine thing. Look, I

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Speaker 3: completely understand, and I used to be really in this camp.

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Speaker 3: I just don't see how it could be bad to

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Speaker 3: publish the studies and the safety data and then leave

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Speaker 3: parents with some choice.

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Speaker 9: Like.

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Speaker 3: Look, that's what I'm saying though, but that's in practice.

666
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Speaker 3: He said, I will not touch the polio vaccine. I

667
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Speaker 3: will not touch the MMR.

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Speaker 2: But he is clearly willing to lie about everything all

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Speaker 2: the time when it serves his interests.

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Speaker 5: I think that it is Iolo.

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Speaker 1: I'm not assuming it.

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Speaker 2: I think we should assume that what his life's work

673
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Speaker 2: has been, which is to tell people that all vaccines

674
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Speaker 2: are unsafe and to try to get them to not

675
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Speaker 2: vaccinate their kids as emblemized as you know, emblematic of

676
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Speaker 2: the onesies, right, the fact that even he wants this

677
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: like baby propaganda about them not getting any vaccines. I

678
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Speaker 2: think you should assume that that is the ideology that

679
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Speaker 2: he takes into this position. And like I said, I'd

680
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Speaker 2: have a lot more respect if he would actually rep

681
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Speaker 2: what he has said and what he believes.

682
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Speaker 5: And the fact that he will just.

683
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Speaker 2: Run one hundred and eighty degrees, turn on a dime,

684
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Speaker 2: do whatever he can to get into power is to

685
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Speaker 2: me utterly disgraceful and unforgivable. And when you are in

686
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Speaker 2: that position, he could effectively. So one thing he could

687
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Speaker 2: do is eliminate certain vaccines from being covered by medicaid.

688
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: By the way, he doesn't seem to appear to know

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Speaker 2: the difference between medicaid and Medicare, was very confused about

690
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Speaker 2: that during the hearings. But he could eliminate a number

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Speaker 2: of vaccines getting covered by Medicaid that in and of

692
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Speaker 2: itself would make it impossible for many poor parents to

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Speaker 2: get their kids properly vaccinated. He could also change the

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Speaker 2: current structure and make it basically so that it is

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Speaker 2: unprofitable and impossible for vaccine makers to continue to distribute

696
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Speaker 2: and sell vaccines. He would have tremendous power in this position.

697
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: And so if you're anti vax and you just think

698
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Speaker 2: that you should let it fly and you're cool with

699
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Speaker 2: measles and pollion whatever coming back, then this is your guy.

700
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Speaker 2: But this is one of the primary things he'll have

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Speaker 2: responsibility for. And I think he already already has done

702
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Speaker 2: tremendous damage and has blood on his hands literally in

703
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Speaker 2: the case of Samoa, for the type of lies unscientific lies,

704
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Speaker 2: not legitimate questions, of which that's fine, but unscientific lies

705
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Speaker 2: that he has spent decades At this point, I.

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Speaker 3: Think, look, I understand that the Samoa thing is complicated,

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Speaker 3: as we know.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, look, I've cided the vena prosad thing.

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Speaker 1: I read it.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty convincing. Not that it was necessarily one hundred

711
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Speaker 3: percent fall. There's a lot of the questions about MMR,

712
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Speaker 3: But look, I guess where it comes down to is

713
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Speaker 3: that the VAX position is that blood on his hands, etc.

714
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Speaker 1: It's like, well, well, how come there's no smoke.

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Speaker 3: If there was a traditional pharma lobbyist here, wouldn't they

716
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Speaker 3: have ten times more blood on their hands and more

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Speaker 3: responsibility for all of the chaos that has been wrought

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Speaker 3: in our healthcare system. Look, I understand your position universal

719
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Speaker 3: healthcare and all that did not win within the Republican context.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, this is as good as it gets.

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Speaker 3: As opposed to what who is our previous AHHS secretary,

722
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Speaker 3: that moron who's taken private flights?

723
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Speaker 1: What was his name? Tom Price?

724
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Speaker 3: Using US taxpayer dollars to pay for a private jet.

725
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Speaker 3: You got somebody here who at least can publish some

726
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Speaker 3: safety data.

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Speaker 1: Who what did he say?

728
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Speaker 11: Said?

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Speaker 3: People should be able to buy whatever they want as

730
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Speaker 3: long as they have the knowledge in front of them.

731
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Speaker 3: You know, look, you got to go to war with

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Speaker 3: the you know, with the fighters that you have. This is,

733
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Speaker 3: on balance, I think it's much better than any traditional

734
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Speaker 3: AHHS secretary you could have taken that position. And you know,

735
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Speaker 3: look the vaccine question here about medicaid, et cetera. Right now,

736
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Speaker 3: US government policy and state policy forces you to comply

737
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Speaker 3: with the schedule or for or face immense consequences socially,

738
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Speaker 3: public school and all of that. Do you think that

739
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Speaker 3: that's fair in all of these era of the post

740
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Speaker 3: COVID landscape.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe a.

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Speaker 3: Freaking word that these people say. I'm serious, I really

743
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Speaker 3: don't after what I've.

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Speaker 2: Read, I don't think the polio vaccine is a good thing.

745
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Speaker 2: I think the MMR.

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Speaker 1: I think the polio in the fact.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but there's sixty three vaccinations that children get before

748
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Speaker 3: what the age four?

749
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Speaker 1: So help me, which one do you think get rid

750
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Speaker 1: of it? I'll tell you right now.

751
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Speaker 3: There's no the HPV or what is the hepatitis B

752
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 3: vaccine that's given to a child literally the moment is

753
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Speaker 3: birth literally for societal reasons, which only applies to drug addicts.

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Speaker 1: No way, not happening.

755
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Speaker 3: Like, and you know the the societal consequences you face

756
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Speaker 3: for this and the medical system and the way that

757
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 3: they push this stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. You brought up vaccine profit.

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Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, you know how many times we

760
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Speaker 3: talked here on the show about drug profit and the.

761
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Speaker 2: Ability that the answer to that is not Listen, here's

762
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Speaker 2: my core problem. His diagnosis of them and what's wrong

763
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Speaker 2: with it, I think is completely wrong. The problem is

764
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Speaker 2: not that the vaccines don't work. The vaccines do work.

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Speaker 2: We have decades of information showing that the vaccines work

766
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Speaker 2: and have saved huge numbers of lives. That's not the problem.

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Speaker 2: The problem is a lack of access to healthcare. The

768
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: problem is a lack of ability to pay for healthcare.

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Speaker 2: The problem is a profit motive at the center of

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Speaker 2: health care. What he wants to do has nothing to

771
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Speaker 2: do with any of that. It's just a reaction and

772
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: immediately knee jerk reaction against any actual like scientific medicine

773
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Speaker 2: and advancements in favor of some like natural hippie dippy

774
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Speaker 2: woo woo bolsheal, which is way less because why is.

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Speaker 5: To not get sick and die? That's why it's bad.

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Speaker 1: But this is a straw man argument. Schedule, what do.

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Speaker 5: We know about the is a straw man argument?

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Speaker 3: Okay, well we have sixty three people were dead from

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Speaker 3: in Samoa again with an open question mark whether it's

780
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Speaker 3: one hundred percent RFK Junior's fault or not. There are

781
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: what tens of millions who have died now of chronic

782
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Speaker 3: illness and of a disease here in the United States,

783
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Speaker 3: Like where's this?

784
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Speaker 1: You know, smoke, But.

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Speaker 2: What going to do with regard again? If he was

786
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Speaker 2: up for ag secretary, I think there's a lot more

787
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: he could do about lifestyle, diet, pesticide, but.

788
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Speaker 3: HHS guidelines to control that. The SNAP program, as he

789
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Speaker 3: talked about ten I had no idea. By the way,

790
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Speaker 3: the ten percent of SNAP dollars are spent on sugary

791
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 3: drinks and sixty percent of SNAP dollars are spent on

792
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Speaker 3: processed food. Now again I don't even disagree, And my

793
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: least libertarian opinion is he was like, oh, we shouldn't

794
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Speaker 3: be telling what people what to eat. I'm like, actually,

795
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: we probably should, especially if they're on government assistance. Secondary

796
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Speaker 3: I think question mark not going to happen in the

797
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: Republican Party. But I mean, on balance, the current system

798
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: is a disaster. We talk about it, drug addiction, obesity, cancer.

799
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Speaker 3: I mean when you listen to not even him, go

800
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Speaker 3: listen to the more credible people, doctor Casey means right,

801
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Speaker 3: She's got a rant that's like three and a half

802
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 3: minutes long of all of the chronic disease markers that

803
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 3: have gone up. His proposal for NIH is to end

804
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Speaker 3: infectious disease covered great by the way, as we'll talk

805
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Speaker 3: a little bit about with lime disease, and to focus

806
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Speaker 3: on chronic illness like cancer and obesity. I think you

807
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 3: know one of the big drug company dreams right now

808
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 3: is to have Medicare and Medicaid cover ozembic for all,

809
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Speaker 3: including children. Maybe, but you know, there should probably be

810
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: some rigorous studies and long term views as to whether

811
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Speaker 3: this is important or even useful for children, and what

812
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: the long term impacts are all of that. In this

813
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Speaker 3: country we go drug first and not lifestyle. I think

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Speaker 3: the AHHS secretary does have a lot of impact that

815
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Speaker 3: there is the largest organization in the entire US federal government.

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Speaker 3: Even when you accept Medicare and Medicaid payments that are

817
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Speaker 3: gone out of that. I mean, what we look at

818
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 3: the terms of the coverage like you're talking about with vaccines.

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Speaker 3: I had no idea even from the hearing that forty

820
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Speaker 3: percent of births in this country are covered by Medicaid,

821
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Speaker 3: which is insane, which means that the government has total

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Speaker 3: authority over payment and control over people's lives.

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Speaker 2: I think that's why to me, it's terrifying that. I mean,

824
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Speaker 2: the man is a liar and a quack whose spouts

825
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Speaker 2: all kinds of He's an HIV truther. He doesn't even

826
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Speaker 2: believe that aids's cover is caused by HIV.

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Speaker 3: He makes stuff up all the more bris quackery or quackery,

828
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Speaker 3: institution query institutions, and pharmacie.

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Speaker 5: A different sort of death.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the thing, is I listen, I

831
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Speaker 2: will grant maybe there are things he would do that

832
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Speaker 2: I would, you know, support, although I don't know the

833
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: snapchair that's a longer debate, but there I hold out

834
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Speaker 2: the possibility that there are theoretically things he could do

835
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Speaker 2: that I would support. In this position, to me, it

836
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Speaker 2: does not outweigh the risk of confirming him and the

837
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Speaker 2: immense damage that he could do to families and children

838
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Speaker 2: and their health health simply through his consistent anti vaccine views.

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Speaker 2: I do want to get to the lex rayment clip

840
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Speaker 2: because one of the things he'll say, oh you heard

841
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Speaker 2: him in that clip that we played a long time

842
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: ago at this point where he was like, oh no,

843
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: I totally didn't say that. It's taken on a context.

844
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Speaker 2: I was going to add, like, no vaccine is safe

845
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Speaker 2: for everyone all the time. If you listen to the clips,

846
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Speaker 2: So we'll play the extended thing. You can hear the

847
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Speaker 2: whole context. That's not what he was saying. He was saying,

848
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Speaker 2: there is no he theoretically may support some vaccine that

849
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: theoretically exists, but he does not support any of the

850
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Speaker 2: vaccines that currently exist. Let's take a listen to what

851
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: he had to say to Lex.

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Speaker 12: You've talked about that the media slanders you by calling

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Speaker 12: you an anti vaxxer, and you've said that you're not

854
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Speaker 12: anti vaccine, you're pro safe vaccine. Difficult question.

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Speaker 4: Can you name any vaccines that you think are good?

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Speaker 8: I think some of the live iris vaccines are probably

857
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 8: of earning more problems than their causing. There's no vaccine

858
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Speaker 8: that is, you know, safe, effective.

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Speaker 4: The big words.

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Speaker 8: What about Can we talk about the here's the problem,

861
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Speaker 8: here's the problem.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, here's the problem.

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Speaker 8: The polio vaccine contained a virus called semi virus forty

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Speaker 8: SV forty.

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Speaker 4: It's one of the.

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Speaker 8: Most carcinogenic materials that it's not demand. In fact, it's

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Speaker 8: used now by scientists around the world to induce tumors

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Speaker 8: and rats and guinea pigs and labs. But it was

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Speaker 8: in that vaccine. Ninety eight million people who got that

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Speaker 8: vaccine and my generation got it, and now you've had

871
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Speaker 8: this explosion of soft tissue cancers in our generation that

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Speaker 8: kill many, many, many, many many more people.

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Speaker 4: Than polio ever did.

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Speaker 8: So if you say to me that the you know,

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Speaker 8: the polio vaccine was effective against polio, I'm going to

876
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Speaker 8: say yes. If I say, if you say to me,

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Speaker 8: did it kill more people? That did cause more dessline

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Speaker 8: I've heard, I would say I don't know because we

879
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Speaker 8: don't have the data on that.

880
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 12: So but let's talk. Well, well, you know, so we're

881
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 12: kind of have to narrow. Why is it effective against

882
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 12: the thing it's supposed to fight?

883
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 8: Oh, well, a lot of them are. Let me give

884
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 8: you an example. The most popular vaccine in the world

885
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 8: is the DTV vaccine if their tennis and vertusses. It

886
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 8: was used in this kind of introduce in this country

887
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 8: around nineteen eighty. That vaccine caused so many injuries that Lias,

888
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 8: which was the manufacturer, was said to the Reagan administration,

889
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 8: we are now paying twenty dollars in downstream liabilities for

890
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 8: every dollar that we're making in profits, and we are

891
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 8: getting out of the business unless you give us permanent

892
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 8: immunity from liability. So the vaccine companies and were given

893
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 8: and by the way, Reagan said at that time, why

894
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 8: don't you just make the vaccine safe? And why is

895
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 8: said because vaccines are inherently unsaved. They said, unavoidably unsafe.

896
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 8: You cannot make them safe.

897
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 2: You can hear the entire context there him saying, you know,

898
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: no vaccine is safe and effective, and then going on

899
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: to explain why he has an opposition to polio vaccine,

900
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: why he has these other problems with vaccines, And like

901
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 2: I said before, listen, if that's your view, there are

902
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: some people that agree with you at this point.

903
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 5: Rep that view, rep that view.

904
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: But the reason he doesn't is because he knows that

905
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: even though there has been an uptick in vaccine skepticism,

906
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: it is still it is still dramatically unpopular to actually

907
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: be blanket anti vaxx, which is why he always runs

908
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: away from the label even though sorry, it does apply,

909
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: and it has applied for a long time. So he

910
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 2: has to hide the ball about what he actually believes.

911
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: And so you know, I mean that shows you that

912
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: he knows what his views are. What he's articulated over

913
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: decades are so poisonous in terms of how the American

914
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: people would think about it that there's no way he

915
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: could get confirmed if he actually held onto the views

916
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 2: he's expressing.

917
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: There does look, I don't disagree.

918
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: I think it's probably fair to say that he's been

919
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: skeptical of all vaccines in the past. He doesn't think

920
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 3: any are safe and effective. Again, I think it's a

921
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 3: chooser fighter thing. Would you rather have somebody who's deeply

922
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: skeptical of that system or somebody who's.

923
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, no, it's actually totally fine.

924
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, using claude, So blame Claude if

925
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 3: these numbers are incorrect. You know, a child born in

926
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: the United States today will receive forty seven to fifty

927
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 3: one and up to sixty doses of a vaccine by

928
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 3: the age eighteen. Before nineteen ninety, that was, it was

929
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Speaker 3: between ten to seventeen.

930
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: So with all with the advances in medicine, the same doses.

931
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: And all of that, do we really believe that the

932
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 3: public health system which delivered US COVID nineteen and all

933
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 3: of the death and everything where rigorous safety studies were done,

934
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: and that all of the correlative long term data on

935
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 3: top of their exemption exists. I do not believe it

936
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: for one second. And this doesn't just apply to vaccine.

937
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 3: This is the problem. It's not vaccine. There was another

938
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 3: senator I forget her name. I think it was Cantwell

939
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: who was railing at him for not supporting SSRIs.

940
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: It's like there's a religion in this.

941
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 3: Country around drugs, around let's just prescribe and move on

942
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 3: and forget about it. I think that his general disposition

943
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 3: against that is far more beneficial than any just wholesale

944
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: quote unquote acceptance of whatever bullshit that these pharma companies

945
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 3: publish in their pre prints and journals, and you know,

946
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 3: they don't even release all of the data. I mean,

947
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 3: this was part of the real learning process, I think

948
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Speaker 3: for me, for millions of other people, through the COVID

949
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 3: net vaccine policy, through all of the justifications you know,

950
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: even today that they're pushing COVID nineteen vaccines on pregnant

951
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: women and flu shots and.

952
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: All this other stuff.

953
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 3: Again, maybe maybe it's safe, they tell us it is,

954
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 3: but given how what has transpired over the last five years,

955
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 3: and I think a lot of this comes back to

956
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 3: I mean, let's make a political point here. Donald Trump

957
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: is not president without RFK Junior. In my opinion, do

958
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 3: you agree. I don't think there's chance in Helvit wins.

959
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 3: He would never win Michigan, no way, considering how tight

960
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 3: that the margin was there, especially if you look at

961
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: the margin in Pennsylvania and others. We did, we did

962
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 3: a focus groups of.

963
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: A lot of these people.

964
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 3: If he had not explicitly endorsed him, a lot of

965
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 3: them were not going to vote for Donald Trump. He

966
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 3: is an integral part of the MAGA twenty twenty five

967
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 3: coalition up there with the Libertarians.

968
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 5: And he should rop what he actually believes. But I mean,

969
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 5: he should rep what he actually believes. Yeah, we should

970
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 5: rep what she actually believes too, I mean, but that's.

971
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: Not how politics works.

972
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I look, I agree, I wish it were

973
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 3: that way. Why are the idiots in the United States

974
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 3: Senate even get a stay over the cabinet?

975
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: I have no idea.

976
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: So insulting for him to try to claim he's not

977
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: anti vacs, For him to try to oh, well, my

978
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: kids are vaccing. Yeah, and you said you wish that

979
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: you had never done that, you would do anything to

980
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: go back and change that, like for you to just

981
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: brazen lya a lot, I mean, And there were moments

982
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 2: up there where he'd be they'd ask him a question,

983
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: did you say that the chemicals in the water are

984
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: turning kids?

985
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 5: Trendsaid, Oh no, I never I never said that.

986
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 2: Oh really well, here's five clips of you saying that,

987
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: did you compare the rollout of the COVID vaccine to

988
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: Nazi death camps?

989
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 5: Even though now.

990
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, operation warp speed was amazing and Trump

991
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: is it was great, it was such a great accomplishment,

992
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Oh no, I didn't say that, Oh

993
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: really well. Here's the transcript of you literally saying that.

994
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: So listen, if you have those views which are wrong

995
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: and not based on anything right, you can doubt the

996
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: you know, pharmaceutical studies, but at least there are studies.

997
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: At least we have years of data to back up

998
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: the efficacy of these vaccines and the number of lives

999
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 2: that they have saved. At least we have that versus

1000
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: like what you made up in your head. Because it

1001
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 2: is just as foolish to knee jerk reject all of science,

1002
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: which is his posture. It is just as foolish to

1003
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 2: do that as to, you know, accept lockstock and barrel

1004
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: everything that a pharmaceutical.

1005
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: Company tells you true.

1006
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: So if you really want to get at the problem here,

1007
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: which I would love to do, you have to take

1008
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: the profit motive out of healthcare.

1009
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 5: That's what you really need to do.

1010
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: Is there any impetus in that direction with RFK Junior whatsoever?

1011
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 3: No?

1012
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: No, And so like I said, listen, for me, obviously

1013
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 2: we're not going to come to agreement here today. For me,

1014
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 2: the theoretical potential possible may be good that he could

1015
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 2: do in this position is vastly outweighed by the longtime

1016
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: track record and committed ideological belief which has been at

1017
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 2: the core of his adult work and life that he

1018
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 2: is against all vaccines and that he is a brazen

1019
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: liar who will say anything to anyone when it is

1020
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 2: convenient for him and his pursuit of power.

1021
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: I think RFK, look, I accepted, we're going to move

1022
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 3: on to abortion.

1023
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 1: I think he's a politician.

1024
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 3: I agree, And I think it's sad what happens to

1025
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 3: these figures whenever they actually.

1026
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: Have to get into power.

1027
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, I agree. I wish you would have actually

1028
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: defended a lot of his views. I think if you

1029
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 3: have to take a real politic view of this, would

1030
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: you rather have somebody who quote unquot accepts mainstream science,

1031
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 3: big pharma and all that. Again, within the universe of

1032
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 3: options for MAGA, for Donald J.

1033
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: Trump.

1034
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 3: You know, would we rather have the billionaire CEO of

1035
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 3: Pfiser or somebody be HHS secretary or somebody who thinks

1036
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 3: that the Visor people have been lying to people for decades.

1037
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 3: I'm going to go with the latter, and I think

1038
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 3: that that's a core to the reason why RFK Junior

1039
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 3: has even become a popular Maga like figure risk of

1040
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: a lot of skepticism about the COVID vaccine, which opened

1041
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 3: up a lot of people's eyes now on abortion. I

1042
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 3: think this is where we can say, fairly for both

1043
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 3: a lot of the pro life and the pro choice crowd,

1044
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 3: arguably ten times more of a bigger flip flop that

1045
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 3: has happened. There are a lot of questions about RFK Jr.

1046
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 3: In the AHHS role. The reason why is that he'll

1047
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 3: have jurisdiction, specifically over myth of press Stone, which is

1048
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 3: the abortion drug of which there has been a change

1049
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 3: in Biden administration policy about prescriptions for it, and of

1050
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: which the pro life Coalition has been pushing Donald Trump

1051
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 3: to quote unquote study the safety of it and to

1052
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 3: look at the drug and possibly hold it up, which

1053
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: of course would dramatically reduce the number of abortions in

1054
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: the United States. So we have a lot of the

1055
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 3: questioning that back and forth on this issue, including some

1056
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 3: of the past statements that he's made.

1057
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: Let's take a lesson.

1058
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 8: I agree with President Trump that every abortion is a tragedy.

1059
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 8: I agree with them how we cannot be a moral

1060
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 8: nation if we have one point two million abortions the here.

1061
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 8: I agree with them that the states should control abortion.

1062
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 8: President Trump has told me that he wants to and

1063
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 8: late term abortions.

1064
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 13: With a life threatening bleeding from an incomplete miscarriage goes

1065
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 13: to the er and her doctor also determines that she

1066
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 13: needs an emergency abortion, but she's in a state where

1067
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 13: abortion is banned. You would agree, also as an attorney,

1068
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 13: that federal law protects her right to that emergency care.

1069
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: Correct.

1070
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean the answer to that is,

1071
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 4: I don't know if.

1072
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 13: This st well, let me ask you this as an attorney.

1073
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 13: Doesn't federal law preempt state law?

1074
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 8: The federal constitution does. Sometimes not every federal law preempt

1075
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 8: to state laws. It could be unconstitutional. Events are we

1076
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 8: need to understand the safety of every drug and if

1077
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 8: a person own and every other drug, and President Trump

1078
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 8: has made it clear to me that one of the

1079
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 8: things he is not taking a position yet if a

1080
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 8: prison a detailed position, but he's made it clear to

1081
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 8: me that he wants me to look at safety issues,

1082
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 8: and I'll ask nih FDA to do.

1083
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 4: That, thank you.

1084
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 8: So so, in other words, keeping it as is with

1085
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 8: Roe versus weight having been overturned and leaving it up

1086
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 8: to the states to determine if and when a woman

1087
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 8: can have an abortion.

1088
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 4: I wouldn't it to the stage I would.

1089
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 8: He would say completely, it's up to we should leave

1090
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 8: it to the woman.

1091
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 4: We shouldn't have government.

1092
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 14: Involved, even if it's full term.

1093
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 4: Even if it's full term.

1094
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: So we can all agree him being there. That was

1095
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: the the last clip there was showing what he used

1096
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: to say about abortion now.

1097
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: Versus things on our show Confirmation times. You know true, Yeah, look,

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Speaker 1: I think it is.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: That is the biggest hit against him, always has been.

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Speaker 3: That's why Mark Mike Lee, not Mike Pence, has been

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Speaker 3: campaigning very hard against RFK Junior for being pro life.

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Speaker 3: We had we've been talking sorry pro choice.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: James Langford, the person who was questioning for him there,

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Speaker 3: that was really important.

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Speaker 1: He's the chair of the National prayer breakfast here in Washington.

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Speaker 3: He is probably the most pro life member of the Congress. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's from Oklahoma. Makes sense in terms of the big

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Speaker 3: evangelical population. But there are a lot of people who

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Speaker 3: fall into the Langford category. It's still actually open question

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Speaker 3: mark how some of them.

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Speaker 5: Jony Ernst is another one who's very pro life.

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Speaker 1: Well, we have a list.

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Speaker 3: If we want a six, can we put a six please?

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Speaker 3: I'll just read off some of the names. These are

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Speaker 3: the Republicans who are currently question marks on RFK junior.

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Speaker 1: We've got Mitch McConnell. We've got Bills that's right.

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Speaker 3: You've got Bill Cassidy, who's a doctor who actually he

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Speaker 3: questioned him a little bit there. Senator Chuck Grassley who

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Speaker 3: also questioned RFK junior. Senator Jeremy Ernst. You have Senator

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Speaker 3: Tom Tillis, who now has come out as a lean yes.

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Speaker 3: And then of course you have Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski,

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Speaker 3: who if I had a guess who are probably going

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Speaker 3: to be nos.

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Speaker 2: On I would think so, yeah, I think he'll probably

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Speaker 2: lose those. And then what he can lose one more

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Speaker 2: or he can't lose that's.

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Speaker 3: Well, he can he can lose McConnell, Murkowski, Collins just

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Speaker 3: like Pete hag Seth. Yeah, that's it, because if he

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Speaker 3: loses those three then jade Vans can cast the tie

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Speaker 3: breaking vote. But there are big there's still I'd give

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Speaker 3: him like a sixty five percent chance of getting confirmed.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, the Magabase right now is behind RFK

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent, and Trump is whipping for him.

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Speaker 1: JD is whipping.

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Speaker 3: For him, the online Maha army against a lot of

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Speaker 3: like for these people, you should. I mean, the enthusiasm

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Speaker 3: there was crazy yesterday. RFK has got it like a

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Speaker 3: genuine constituency.

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Speaker 1: We've been waiting. People have been waiting a long time

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Speaker 1: for someone like him to actually be in power.

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Speaker 3: So you would be surprised, I think, to see one

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Speaker 3: of these Republicans turn, especially one who might be up

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Speaker 3: for re election. But if anyone could get away with

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00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 3: I mean, that's like, do we really believe Lindsay Graham

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00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 3: is going to vote against RFK Junior. This guy's like

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Speaker 3: a toad now, you know, in terms of his shucking

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Speaker 3: up to Trump. You would really need these Murkowski and

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Speaker 3: Collins people there, and McConnell who's never going to run

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Speaker 3: again for anything. They're unique for a reason because they're

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Speaker 3: really insulated from the political costs.

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Speaker 1: Of all the rest of them.

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Speaker 3: You really do need the GOP behind you to be

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Speaker 3: able to win. So I think what I did take

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Speaker 3: away is no Democrats going to vote for him.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: Letterman was a possibility, but afterwards he came out and

1160
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know how anybody could vote for

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Speaker 2: that dude.

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Speaker 1: After that, he also voted against hag Seth.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's interesting guy, talks a big game, goes

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Speaker 3: to the Lake and Riley thing and all of that.

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Speaker 3: Still votes against all of the Trump nominees. So it's like,

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Speaker 3: who are you, dude, Like, what are we doing here?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Brain day senator from whom Jerusalem?

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Speaker 2: Okay, one other thing I wanted to mention here, because

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Speaker 2: you were talking about the political pressure. Nicole Shanahan, who

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Speaker 2: was RFK Junior's running mate, who was a billionaire by

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Speaker 2: dint of her marriages, she came out and said that

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Speaker 2: she would use her billions to primary anyone on the

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Speaker 2: Republican side who didn't vote for RFK Junior, and she

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Speaker 2: specifically threatened I don't think that this really has any

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Speaker 2: particular impact. But she threatened Raphael Warnock of Georgia and

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Speaker 2: said like, oh, I gave you lots of money before,

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Speaker 2: and that's the only reason you won, which I don't

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Speaker 2: know if that's really I mean, I know she did

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Speaker 2: give money to super pac that supported him previously. But

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Speaker 2: in terms of the democratic context, a Nicole sh Shanahan

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Speaker 2: backed primary challenge against a Democrat is not going to

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Speaker 2: get very far. And in a general election there's going

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Speaker 2: to be tons of money going up against him anyway.

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Speaker 2: But in the Republican context, that could be a real threat,

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Speaker 2: you know. And so this has become the norm of

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Speaker 2: like individual Elon must did it before, threatening with regard

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Speaker 2: to non means and with regard to the spending bill,

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Speaker 2: like if you don't do what we want you to do,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to fund a primary challenge against you. So

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Speaker 2: these billionaires are also being used to enforce discipline within

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Speaker 2: the you know, the Republican pro Trump coalition. So that's

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Speaker 2: another piece of what's going on here. Just the last

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Speaker 2: comment on the abortion piece, because they do think that

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Speaker 2: is important, just so people know. In the wake of

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Speaker 2: Roe versus Way being overturned, actually aren't the number sager

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Speaker 2: that the number of abortions have actually gone up. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and the reason primarily is because of MiFi pristone, which

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Speaker 2: is you know, used very early in pregnancy for an abortion,

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Speaker 2: and you know, even if you live in a state

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Speaker 2: that's extremely restrictive, mostly allowed the ability to get that

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Speaker 2: somehow through the mail. And so there was a court

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Speaker 2: case that went all the way up to the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court if I'm not mistaken saying, oh, the FDA wrongly

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Speaker 2: approved this and it's not really safe. And the court

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Speaker 2: was like, we're not going to go and second guess

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Speaker 2: the FDA, like that's their job is to evaluate the

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Speaker 2: safety and advocacy.

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Speaker 5: There's some forty.

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Speaker 2: Around studies that indicate if a persone is in fact

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Speaker 2: safe to use in this manner. But this has been

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Speaker 2: a primary goal. It was in Project twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: It's been a primary conservative goal to get control of

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Speaker 2: the FDA so that they can say, oh, no, actually

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Speaker 2: we don't think it's safe, and this would be this

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00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: would have a massive massive impact on women's reproductive rights.

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Speaker 3: Cue.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's the biggest question mark on abortion.

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00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think any and no one on either

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00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 2: side of the debate would deny that. That's why they're

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00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: so laser focused on it and why it's you know,

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00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: was so noteworthy and important that RFK Junior in this

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00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: hearing said I will look at the safety of that

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Speaker 2: and I will follow Trump's lead on that, which is

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Speaker 2: a you know, major goal of the pro life movement.

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Speaker 2: So even though he has personally been pro choice, he's

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Speaker 2: trying to reassure Republican senators that he will also set

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Speaker 2: his sights on rolling back use of myth a pristone which,

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Speaker 2: like I said, will have a tremendous, in my view,

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Speaker 2: very negative impact.

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Speaker 1: If that is impact, it will have a big impact

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Speaker 1: no matter what.

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Speaker 3: And that's why that was one of the big you know,

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Speaker 3: kamalaw campaign points there correctly in my opinion, you know,

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Speaker 3: in terms of what the power the federal government can be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, on this just very last thing one. I had

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Speaker 1: to get this in here.

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Speaker 3: Senator Michael Bennett, whenever he was railing against RFK Junior,

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Speaker 3: was like, did you really say that lyme disease was

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Speaker 3: genetically engineered in a lab? As if it was some

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00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 3: sort of conspiracy theory. By the way, I thought everyone

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Speaker 3: who knew everyone knew this, but can we please put

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Speaker 3: my tweet up on the on the screen just so

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Speaker 3: people can understand this lime disease is probably a lab leak,

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Speaker 3: and I'm explaining it to people very clearly here if

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01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 3: you're watching, and you can see this lime disease originated

1247
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 3: in Old Lime, Connecticut in the nineteen seventies, which just

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Speaker 3: happens to be mere miles away from Plum Island, the

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01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 3: US Army bioweapons lab that was studying insects spreading bioweapons

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Speaker 3: specifically with ticks in the nineteen sixties. Just so everyone knows,

1251
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Speaker 3: a lot of people actually have been suffering from lime

1252
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 3: disease through research of the tragedy and really of how

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Speaker 3: decimated they are find themselves across books like Lab two,

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Speaker 3: five seven and others. But it really is sad because

1255
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Speaker 3: what's happened is that in the Cold War we had

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Speaker 3: these literal Nazi scientists and others who were brought under

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Speaker 3: from an Operation paper Clip to study bioweapons that we

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Speaker 3: could inflict on the Soviet Union, specifically via insects, to

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Speaker 3: decimate them, not kill them, but just cause chaos through

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Speaker 3: this bacteria. This lime bacteria is exceptionally rare. One of

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Speaker 3: the dunks on the lab leak theory is like, oh,

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Speaker 3: they found it in oatse the ice man, It's like, yes,

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Speaker 3: it's traditional gain of function. You take a rare bacteria,

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Speaker 3: you bring it to a lab, you try to weaponize it,

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Speaker 3: you try to increase the infection, the infection, the vector

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Speaker 3: the way that it will cause disease. And you know,

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Speaker 3: there are millions of people now in America, specifically in

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Speaker 3: New England who suffer from lime disease. There are multiple

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Speaker 3: offshoots and others. It causes devastating consocles. Actually, no, somebody

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Speaker 3: wh's suffered lime disease for years. It's really never been

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Speaker 3: the same since then. So yeah, it's really unfortunate. Lime

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Speaker 3: disease is.

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Speaker 1: Probably a lab leak.

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Speaker 3: Ebola twenty fourteen was a lab leak, as we covered

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Speaker 3: here on the show with Ryan Grim, COVID was a

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01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 3: lab leak. So we need to figure this stuff out

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Speaker 3: and tying it to RFK Junior, that's one thing.

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Speaker 1: At least I hope that we cut.

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Speaker 3: Let's cut all those We need to cut that NIH

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Speaker 3: gain of function budget to zero, and we need to

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Speaker 3: do some actual transparency on all this crap that we've

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Speaker 3: been funding and hopefully shut a lot of these labs

1283
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 3: down who clearly don't have safety protocols or anything.

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Speaker 1: So it's really.

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Speaker 3: Sad because a lot of line people reached out to

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Speaker 3: me and saying thank you, you know, for highlighting this

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Speaker 3: because you know, so we've been suffering now for so

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Speaker 3: long and there's still you know, the insurance companies fight

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Speaker 3: them on lime disease. The doctors don't believe a lot

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Speaker 3: of the people who suffer of lime disease is one

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Speaker 3: of the most devastating conditions that's out there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very strange symptoms.

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Speaker 1: That's what I mean. And so then they just don't

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Speaker 1: want to do anything for it. You're on your own.

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Speaker 2: Soccer did get community noted on this, but I oh,

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Speaker 2: they took it off.

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Speaker 5: I was going to say, I looked at it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not conclusively proven, but it's not a

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Speaker 2: pretty big coincidence, that's right there. So I'll get I'll

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Speaker 2: give him that one. It's just like this drugs, the

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Speaker 2: drugs turning the kids trans not going to.

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Speaker 5: Give you that one.

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Speaker 2: Micals h ig oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, chemicals to what.

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Speaker 1: You think bird control, chemicals in our water, that zero effect.

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Speaker 2: The uh effect, HIV not causing AIDS, not going to

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Speaker 2: give him that one either.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, there was a lot there going on with.

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Speaker 1: Look, there's a lot of shit in our water. Nobody

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Speaker 1: even knows what the hell it is.

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Speaker 3: Reverse osmost as folks, if you can afford it, you

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Speaker 3: should do it.

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Speaker 1: I highly recommend.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get to Tulsa Gabbard at the same time,

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Speaker 3: speaking of confirmation. We've got a lot of news concerning

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Speaker 3: Tulsi Gabbert, who is up today for her confirmation hearing,

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Speaker 3: and we're getting a taste of what some of the

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Speaker 3: Republican attack against her will be. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 3: put this up there on the screen. Quote at Gabbard's

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Speaker 3: confirmation hearing, Edward Snowden may loom large. So a lot

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Speaker 3: of very pro national security state Republicans have been very

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Speaker 3: upset with quote Tulsi Gabbert's past support for Edward Snowden.

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Speaker 3: While in Congress, Gabert introduced legislation that would have offered

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Speaker 3: a bipartisan whistleblower protections for people like Snowden accused of

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Speaker 3: violating the Espionage Act. She actually co sponsored that legislation

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Speaker 3: with Matt Gates that called on the charges against Snowden

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Speaker 3: to be dropped. Now, since she will be the DNI,

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Speaker 3: there are a lot of questions whether she is, according

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Speaker 3: to them, is somebody who would compromise national security. So,

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Speaker 3: for example, just a taste, Susan Collins said, missus Snowden's

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Speaker 3: disclosures have jeopardized all the people who are helping us.

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Speaker 3: They say, one of my greatest concerns is how she

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Speaker 3: views Edward Snowden in the light of the resolution that

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Speaker 3: she co authored with Matt Gates calling all criminal charges

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Speaker 3: against him, which were serious and involved high classification, to

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Speaker 3: be dropped.

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Speaker 1: So that is the taste.

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Speaker 3: But Susan Collins is just one of many people who

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Speaker 3: share these views. For example, Senator Tom Cotton, who is

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Speaker 3: the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, has called Snowden a trader.

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Speaker 3: You continue on down the line, you've got people like

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Speaker 3: Mitch McConnell. You've got James Langford who said that he

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Speaker 3: was quote spoken with Gabbard about Snowden, and he said

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Speaker 3: that their office of the Director of National Intelligence has

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Speaker 3: a responsibility to make sure that we don't have our

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Speaker 3: secrets leaked out. So this is in addition, this Snowden

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Speaker 3: thing to the section seven h two about face that

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Speaker 3: she has already made right on Faiza and on spying.

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Speaker 1: So I think he said it. They always attack you for.

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Speaker 4: The worst thing.

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Speaker 2: It's like the only good reasons to put Tulsie in here,

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Speaker 2: and she's there like forcing her to change. I mean

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Speaker 2: and listen, she has her own will. She's making her

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Speaker 2: own decisions here as well. But yeah, that report for

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Speaker 2: the New York Times says that she's expected to distance

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Speaker 2: herself and say that she believes mister Snowden's disclosures hurt

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Speaker 2: the intelligence community and national security. We have always said

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Speaker 2: in Glenn Green would always makes this point.

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Speaker 5: If what Snowden revealed.

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Speaker 2: Had truly hurt national security or compromised our soldiers are

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Speaker 2: intel assets in the field, we would all know about it.

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Speaker 2: They would have screened that to the high habits a

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Speaker 2: million times. They've never provided any evidence of that, something

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Speaker 2: that Tulsi Gabbard knows and has no doubt said and

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Speaker 2: pointed out herself. But now, in an attempt to, you know,

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Speaker 2: appease the Hawks on the Republican side, She's going to

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Speaker 2: do this about face and be like, oh, Snowden so bad. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I'm seven oh two that we got that all cleaned up,

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Speaker 2: no worries whatsoever. So that's where we are with her.

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Speaker 2: And there was one Senate aid who told the Washington Post,

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Speaker 2: they're not even sure she makes it down a committee.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if that's I don't know if

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Speaker 2: that's true. I don't know if that's what's going to happen.

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Speaker 2: But I do think that her confirmation, her confirmation is

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Speaker 2: certainly the most imperiled and the most in danger of failing,

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Speaker 2: because you will definitely have no Democrats vote for her whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: Fetterman certainly wouldn't be you know, he's the one who

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Speaker 2: would be most likely to cross over, and he's like belligitor,

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01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 2: insane hawks, so he's not going to be down with

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Speaker 2: her either.

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Speaker 3: Well, i've got the list in front of you. You've

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Speaker 3: got Tom Cotton, so that's probably a no. Maybe, I

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Speaker 3: don't know, you know.

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Speaker 5: Cotton said something that was kind of open to her.

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Speaker 5: He was like, oh, well, we have.

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Speaker 2: Our disagreements, but you know, I don't know. He said

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Speaker 2: something that was like a little bit conciliatory towards her.

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Speaker 1: So, oh no, he said, I support her. Okay. Last

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Speaker 1: night he was on Fox support her lead. I look

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Speaker 1: forward to working with her. Okay, So that's good. She

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Speaker 1: got the chairman.

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Speaker 3: You've got James Reisch from Idaho. That's he can be

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Speaker 3: a weirdo. Susan Collins that she's already probably no John Cornyn,

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Speaker 3: total national security state hawk.

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Speaker 1: Jerry Moran. I don't know much about him.

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Speaker 3: Langford, he's the guy who already got her to flip

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Speaker 3: on seven zero two. So he'll probably vote for Mike

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Speaker 3: Rounds the same thing.

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Speaker 1: He's wild card.

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Speaker 3: Todd Young also a wild card, and Ted but Ted

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Speaker 3: Buddle probably vote well.

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Speaker 5: And this is a voter out of committee.

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Speaker 2: You're looking at a committee, and so if every Democrat

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Speaker 2: votes against her, they only would need what one more Republicans. Yeah,

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01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 2: but I joined the Democratic vote on a committee.

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Speaker 3: Can you still get a committee a floor vote with

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Speaker 3: an unfavorable report out of committee?

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Speaker 1: I think he can.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure I thought they had.

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Speaker 2: I thought they had to go through the committee first

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Speaker 2: before you could bring them to the floor.

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Speaker 1: Test by before the committee.

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Speaker 3: I could be wrong, but it's like report, so sometimes

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01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 3: like a piece of legislation will be unfavorably voted out

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Speaker 3: of committee, but it'll still be brought. This is parliamentary

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01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 3: nonsense that I have no idea about, so please keep

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01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 3: that in mind. But yeah, that's where we are right

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Speaker 3: now with Telsea Gabbert. If you want to taste again

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Speaker 3: of the campaign against her, you've got the Wall Street

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Speaker 3: Journal editorial board, the voice of Mitch McConnell. Let's put

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Speaker 3: this up there on the screen, Telsea Gabbert, Edward Snowden

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Speaker 3: is intelligence? Does the US really want a director of

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01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 3: national intelligence who excuses mass leaking of secrets? So you

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01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 3: can see there they mentioned specifically Senator Tom Cotton's past

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Speaker 3: reservations about her, and they also talk about quote unquote

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Speaker 3: the damage that Snowden had done as a result of

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Speaker 3: the leaks. But it's parodying a lot of the national

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Speaker 3: security state concerns against her. So I think you're going

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01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 3: to get a real taste of what happened against RFK Junior.

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Speaker 3: So with the Democrats, it's going to be all a

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Speaker 3: sad all the time.

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Speaker 1: It's all going to be like, why did you meet

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Speaker 1: with Asad?

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Speaker 3: You know all this twenty thirteen rehash about that.

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Speaker 1: Apparently there's some story.

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Speaker 5: Questions about her cults. It's been a maybe subject.

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Speaker 3: Recently, it's been a lot of chatter and Washington about Hezbollah.

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Speaker 1: I'm not really quite sure yet what it's about.

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01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 3: They say a story is coming about some of her

1439
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 3: alleged connections to Hezbola. I believe it when I see it,

1440
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Speaker 3: I guess for what that is then snowed in for

1441
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 3: a Republicans see it exactly. That's why the story's being

1442
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 3: plunted seven oh two and snowed in. So those are

1443
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 3: the top four things. But yeah, I would say she's

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Speaker 3: the only one who I'm given like a fifty percent shot.

1445
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 3: She's got the lowest chance in my opinion. That doesn't

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01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 3: mean I still think she won't get confirmed. I think

1447
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Speaker 3: she probably will because Trump and Trump and JD have

1448
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 3: really made it, you know. I mean, look with RFK

1449
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,639
Speaker 3: and with Tolsi and Hegseat, they have rammed these people

1450
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 3: through committee and they have made it like a real

1451
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 3: zero in against the folks. But you only need four

1452
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 3: and you've got three wild cars already, so you really.

1453
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: Only need one. One person to flip who is like

1454
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Speaker 1: a traditional person.

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Speaker 5: McConnell, Murkowski, Collins would.

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01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: Vote against her almost certainly, pretty sure.

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Speaker 2: So then you can only lose one more and with

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01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 2: the number of national security hawks that are on the

1459
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Speaker 2: Republican side, yeah, it's it's definitely perilous. I according to

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Speaker 2: Chad GP two, Yes, you are correct. Regardless of the

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Speaker 2: committee's vote, the nomination can proceed to the full Senate

1462
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Speaker 2: for consideration. The Senate Majority leader schedules the nomination for

1463
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Speaker 2: debate and a final confirmation vote.

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Speaker 5: So traditionally it.

1465
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Speaker 2: Has to go from the committee and they have to

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01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 2: you know, issue a positive referral, but it's not absolutely required.

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Speaker 5: So that's where that stands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Let's get to the Medicare Sectionaid. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm like a.

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Speaker 5: Difference, not a secretary either.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, the difference is honestly kind of difficult

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Speaker 3: to understand sometimes, like Medicaid and in terms of the

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01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 3: individual programs, not the senior care.

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Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, but you're talking about the way the

1475
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 2: funding works themselves.

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01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'm like, well, because you know, there's provisions under

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Speaker 3: Medicare that sometimes overlap with Medicaid, Like in terms of

1478
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 3: the there's like Medicare advantage, but then there's Medicaid plans

1479
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 3: for people who are born under Medicaid, but sometimes you

1480
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Speaker 3: can be covered by Medicare too.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to it.

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Speaker 3: It's actually like for me to wrap my head around it.

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01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is a behemoth thing.

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01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 5: I feel confident if you were up for hh, that's y.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's with that homework, and you would be ready

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Speaker 2: to know the difference quite clearly inside.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying as a layman, you know, just entering

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01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 3: into this, I was like, oh, you know, it's.

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Speaker 1: Actually kind of complicated. I had no idea.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the funding freeze or whatever

1491
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 2: the hell has been going on, which, by the way,

1492
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Speaker 2: continues to be a question. So Ryan and Emily did

1493
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 2: a great job covering this with Jeff Stein, who was

1494
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 2: all over the case when they issued this original memo,

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Speaker 2: very broadly wording saying freeze all federal funding except for

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Speaker 2: things that go directly to individuals, and they name specifically

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Speaker 2: Social Security and Medicare, but not Medicaid. And as I

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01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 2: said before, the wording was very broad. So they said

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Speaker 2: freeze all federal funding effectively, so we can assess whether

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Speaker 2: or not these different programs match, you know, meet the

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Speaker 2: standards as laid out by Trump's various executive orders against

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01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 2: green energy and DEI and whatever else he issued. So yesterday,

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01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 2: after creating a whole disaster and the Medicaid payment portals

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Speaker 2: being shut down, and you know, domestic violence shelters and

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Speaker 2: addiction programs and meals on wheels and head starred and

1506
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 2: all these programs calling their senators and the representatives freaking

1507
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,520
Speaker 2: out like what is going on, they decided to completely

1508
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Speaker 2: resend that memo. So let's put B one up on

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Speaker 2: the screen. This is the memo rescinding the original memo. However,

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Speaker 2: then the White House Press Secretary came out and said, well,

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Speaker 2: the first memo is rescinded. However, the funding freeze still

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01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 2: applies for the programs that are in you know, in

1513
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 2: contradiction of President Trump's executive orders. So continued confusion. Effectively,

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Speaker 2: Jeff Stein summed it up. We can put this up

1515
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 2: on the screen as how this timeline all went down.

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Speaker 2: This is B two, he says to I have this right?

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Speaker 2: What am I missing? Sincere question from the White House

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Speaker 2: on Monday? Omb memo will implement full federal pause on grants,

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01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,719
Speaker 2: including but not limited to, and that was the language

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01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 2: from the original memo here, including but not limited to

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Speaker 2: those that violate Trump executive orders on DEI, clean energy,

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Speaker 2: trans related programs. Then, on Tuesday, White House issues Q

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Speaker 2: and A, saying the pause only applies to dollars that

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Speaker 2: violate Trump executive orders. The White House Press Secretary says

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Speaker 2: it's a limited freeze that will not affect individuals benefits,

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Speaker 2: but major disruptions at medicaid, housing assistants and elsewhere. Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the OMB Offices Management of Budget formally rescinds the Monday memo.

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Speaker 2: White House Secretary says on Twitter that the freeze on

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Speaker 2: spending that violates executive orders remains in effect. We can

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Speaker 2: put up that statement from Caroline Leven She says, this

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Speaker 2: is not a recision of the federal funding freeze. It

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Speaker 2: is simply a recision of the OMB memo that's confusing.

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Speaker 5: Confusing to me.

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Speaker 2: At least why to and any confusion created by the

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Speaker 2: court's injunction. The President's executive orders on federal funding remain

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Speaker 2: in full force and effect and will be rigorously implemented.

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Speaker 2: Put in B five guys, skip ahead to be five

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Speaker 2: the judge what was just ruled? So this has already

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01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 2: gone to two judges at this point the first one

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Speaker 2: said this is not going in effect. We're putting an

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Speaker 2: immediate freeze on this, you know, on the freeze going

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Speaker 2: into effect. Another judge wighed in yesterday and said they

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Speaker 2: will grant the restraining order, saying the withdrawal of the

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Speaker 2: hugely ambiguous omb order is only distinction without a difference,

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Speaker 2: based on comments by the president's press secretary. So it

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Speaker 2: is still a bit of a jumble and very confusing

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01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 2: and continues to be put on pause by you know,

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Speaker 2: at this point multiple judges who have taken a look

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Speaker 2: at this and sager, this is some major Trump twenty

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Speaker 2: seven vibes.

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Speaker 5: This is major Trump twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: There's a portion of our audience which is shocking.

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01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 3: It was actually either in high school or younger whenever

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01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 3: Trump was first president. So if you all want to

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Speaker 3: know what covering the first administration was like, this is

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Speaker 3: what it was.

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Speaker 1: It was like.

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Speaker 3: Orders and then they were rescinded and people didn't know

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01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 3: what was happening, and then there was chaos, and then

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Speaker 3: there was a judge and now we're back to well,

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Speaker 3: this is still in effect, except it's not.

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Speaker 5: But it's also not an effect.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, welcome to Donald Trump America. This is what it's

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Speaker 3: always like. Hope you're all enjoyable, enjoying the next four

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Speaker 3: year Producer Max.

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Speaker 5: He was sixteen when all this was going on last time.

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Speaker 1: So fair enough. I saw on the show was sixteen.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've met people who were like twenty two

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Speaker 1: who watch the show. So I'm like, hold on a second.

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Speaker 3: I was like, so, how old are you when Trump

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01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 3: was They're like, one of my often questions is so

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01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 3: you were born after nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: That's always a crazy one.

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01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then it's like, do you remember anything about Obama?

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01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:50,759
Speaker 3: And they're like, no, not really, I wasn't really paying attention.

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Speaker 3: So this is the Trump era. That's that's the thing

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Speaker 3: that they most remember, which is kind of crazy.

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Speaker 1: But the point is that this is a lot what

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Speaker 1: it was like.

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Speaker 3: This is also what I would say is what really

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01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 3: caused him to become more unpopular the first time around.

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01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 3: You look, I mean, governance is an art.

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01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:09,520
Speaker 1: It's difficult.

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01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,520
Speaker 3: It's one of those things where is maddening with bureaucracy,

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01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 3: and it's one of the reasons why I always tell

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01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:17,600
Speaker 3: people we were going to cover buyouts, so maybe we

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01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 3: can mention some of this in yere.

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Speaker 1: But look for all the talk of run the government.

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Speaker 3: Like a business, Like, what do we learn from this

1591
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 3: air traffic control thing?

1592
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: It's not a business. It's a life and death stakes sometimes.

1593
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 2: Like if you flash the workforce at Twitter and sometimes

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01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 2: your DMS.

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01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: Crashed, right, which happens to me all the time. Who

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01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: gives a shit? Nobody died, No one cares. Right when

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Speaker 1: the stock goes down.

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Speaker 3: Let's say you have a company of stock goes down

1599
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 3: and employees lose their job. Tragic, not downplaying it. Not

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01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 3: the same as a plane crash. H And this is

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01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:50,600
Speaker 3: what I always point to where the byzantine nature of

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01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 3: the United States government and specifically of the welfare state

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01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 3: is such where it is both maddening, ineffective, bureaucratic, stupid,

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01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 3: bloated over, et cetera, and is one of the most

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Speaker 3: beloved programs in the entire United States.

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Speaker 1: So don't screw with it.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is one of the main lessons that Obama

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01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 3: learned in nine with Obamacare and all that is. I

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01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 3: remember being some of those tea party protests. Those were

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Speaker 3: some of my first acts of journalism and being like, hey.

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Speaker 1: Why are you all out here?

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01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:19,839
Speaker 3: And They're like, hands off my Medicaid, hands off my Medicare.

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01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 1: And we were like, well, you know, it doesn't but

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01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 1: it didn't matter.

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01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 3: Like the idea that you were even screwing with old

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01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 3: people's healthcare, that is, you will send people into a rage.

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01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,520
Speaker 1: Same here, you don't screw with Medicaid.

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01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 3: And watching the hearing had no clue how many babies

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Speaker 3: are born in this country literally under Medica. Forty percent,

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Speaker 3: that's nuts of all of the babies in the United

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01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 3: States were being born under the Medicaid program. I'm not

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01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 3: to mention the number of people of disability.

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Speaker 1: Et cetera, who are affected by this.

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Speaker 3: All of the hospitals and the doctors our hospital are

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Speaker 3: our whole watch.

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Speaker 1: Our RFKA debate.

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Speaker 3: Our healthcare system is screwed up enough as it is,

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Speaker 3: having to worry about, you know, reimbursement all of that

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01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 3: while that's going on as a nightmare. So it was

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Speaker 3: a one day thing, but it's a taste of if

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01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 3: you screw this type of stuff up, you really only

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01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 3: get one shot.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure it was a one day thing because

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01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 2: at least according to Jeff Stein's reporting, there continue to

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01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 2: be a lot of you know, local programs funded by

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Speaker 2: a federal grant.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm talking about Medicaid.

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Speaker 5: Oh, the Medicaid.

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01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all the Medicaid portals were shut down in

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Speaker 2: all fifty states. Those are backup, but there continued to be,

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01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 2: I mean, questions about what the state of affairs even

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01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 2: is right now, what the White House actually wants people

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01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 2: to be doing or not doing within all of these

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01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 2: federal agencies. What the Press Secretary said in her very

1645
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 2: first briefing was like, oh, well, if you have a question,

1646
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 2: just like you know, Russ Vote's line is open. Who's

1647
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 2: not even confirmed at omb by the way, And I

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01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 2: think part of the reason they decided to rescind this

1649
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 2: first memo was because he is up, I believe tomorrow

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Speaker 2: his hearing start, and I'm sure this was throwing his

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01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 2: potential confirmation in to a little bit of chaos as well,

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01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 2: just because listen, it doesn't matter if you're a Republican

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01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 2: or a Democrat. Like every single senator and representative was

1654
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 2: fielding calls from the head Start program, the Meals on

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01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:15,639
Speaker 2: Wheels program, the domestic violence program, like all the addiction

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01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 2: recovery programs, all sorts of you know, veterans homelessness, all

1657
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 2: of these problems. Say, what the hell is going on? Like,

1658
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 2: are we going to get our funding or not? If not,

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01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to lay people off. We can't open

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01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 2: our doors, the kids can't come to class, et cetera,

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01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 2: et cetera. So truly, you know, both parties were quite

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01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 2: concerned about what was going on here, regardless of what

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01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 2: they were saying publicly. Now apparently, as best we know,

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01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 2: the backstory here is that and again this is very

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01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 2: trump twenty seventeen, the memo was written. Steven Miller sort

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01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 2: of directed that this memo be written. Russ Vote writes

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01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:55,719
Speaker 2: the memo and puts it out but without going through

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01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 2: any sort of like review process to recognize the fact

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01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:03,520
Speaker 2: that your language and here very clearly indicates all federal

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01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 2: grant funding is frozen, not just like whatever trends or

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Speaker 2: DEI or whatever stuff they're not happy about. By the way,

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01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,719
Speaker 2: the fifty million dollar Gazacondum thing was total incomplete bullshit

1673
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 2: and nonsense, just so you know, as an aside, but

1674
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 2: to your point, soography could now put before up on

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01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 2: the screen because this kind of gets to what you're

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01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,879
Speaker 2: talking about. So if you ask, people should you cut spending.

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01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 2: The federal government spend too much? Is it inefficient? They'll

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01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 2: be like yes. But then when you're like, okay, well

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01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 2: what should they cut? You know, should they spend more

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01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 2: on Social security or less? They're like, definitely spend more.

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01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 2: What about education? Definitely spend more. What about assistance to

1682
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 2: the poor. Definitely spend more. Medicare yes, Medicaid yes. Border

1683
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,640
Speaker 2: security is where you get to fifty to fifty military,

1684
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 2: They're like, we're probably spending plenty there.

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01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 5: We're good there in federal law enforcement. Same thing.

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01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 2: But you know, by and large, if you go down

1687
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 2: the list of budget items, when it comes to these

1688
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 2: programs are very popular. So Republicans oftentimes run into this

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01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 2: where you know, in theory, people are like, yes, the

1690
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 2: government's spending too much, but that when it actually comes

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01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 2: down to these social safety net programs, they don't. They

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01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 2: do not want to further strip our already threadbare safety

1693
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 2: net even further. And you know, typically defense, the defense

1694
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 2: budget only ever goes up, so that's not on the

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01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 2: table politically, even though actually the American people would probably

1696
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 2: be most open to cuts. There One other thing I

1697
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 2: wanted to get to here is we can put b

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01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 2: six up on the screen. So even though this was

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01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 2: chaotic and continues to be chaotic and unclear and not

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01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 2: done in an effective way, it's not like it was

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01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 2: done haphazardly. The Huven and Post was able to actually

1702
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 2: get their hands on some internal documents that proved that

1703
01:21:55,720 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 2: this was This was a plan to provoke this constitutional challenge,

1704
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 2: to try to directly challenge the What's it called the

1705
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 2: Impoundment Control Act of nineteen seventy four, which says that effectively,

1706
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,639
Speaker 2: you know, Congress has the power of the purse. If

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01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 2: they pass funding, then the executive is obligated to spend it.

1708
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 2: This was a Postwatergate reform had that Nixon administration didn't

1709
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 2: want to spend money that was appropriated by Congress on

1710
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 2: something I can't remember exactly what, and so this was

1711
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 2: put into place to codify into law. No, if you

1712
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 2: if the Congress appropriates the money, we have the power

1713
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 2: of the purse, use an executive branch. Don't forget to

1714
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 2: say like, well, I don't like that program, so I'm

1715
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,759
Speaker 2: not going to spend money on that particular thing. Except

1716
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 2: for rare instances, like if there's some new technological gain

1717
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 2: that creates efficiencies, then there might be a loophole there,

1718
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 2: but very very limited as part of Project twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five and something that Jeff Stein has been telling us

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01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 2: about and we've been reporting on here, and it's also

1721
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 2: part of the plan with DOGE. They want to challenge

1722
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 2: that and basically be able to say that Congress's appropriations

1723
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 2: are just a basically suggestion, and then the executive branch

1724
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 2: gets to be like, we like that, we don't like that,

1725
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:13,639
Speaker 2: and have I mean, this would be this would almost

1726
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 2: be rendering Congress completely irrelevant effectively and making it so

1727
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 2: that the executive branch really has near monarchical powers to

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01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 2: do everything that they want. So that was revealed in

1729
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 2: terms of these internal documents, which many people have been

1730
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 2: speculating about, but sort of confirmed by having a post.

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Speaker 2: Last thing I'll say, I don't get your reaction to

1732
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,719
Speaker 2: the saga is Lever News had a good report about

1733
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 2: just looking at Okay, well, how might the Supreme Court

1734
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:42,480
Speaker 2: rule on such a question. This is a very conservative

1735
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 2: Supreme Court number. These individuals were put on the bench

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Speaker 2: by Donald Trump, so you know, there's certainly possibility that

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Speaker 2: even though this has never been the understanding and it's

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Speaker 2: pretty clear in the constitution power of the purse with Congress,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. There is certainly a possibility that they would

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Speaker 2: side with the Trump White House on this. But let's

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Speaker 2: put B seven up on the screen. This could end

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01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 2: up being relevant. Apparently, John Roberts wide in back in

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Speaker 2: a nineteen eighty five communicate weight in.

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Speaker 5: On a question.

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Speaker 2: This is classic David sort to be able to find this.

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Speaker 2: By the way, weide in on this very question with

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Speaker 2: regard to whether the executive branch can just you know,

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Speaker 2: say no, we don't want to do that. Sorry, Congress,

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Speaker 2: we're not following the law that you passed. He said

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Speaker 2: that no area seems more clearly the province of Congress

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Speaker 2: than the power of the purse and discouraged going in

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Speaker 2: the direction of questioning that whatsoever, so that could potentially

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Speaker 2: become relevant. I think it's almost certainly that the almost

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01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 2: certain that this will end up at some point of

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 3: Not only that Justice Gorsich is a much more libertarian,

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Speaker 3: much more skeptical of executive power, and just Barrett.

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Speaker 1: Also very much in that camp. So there's big ideological divides.

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Speaker 1: I'd be curious to see.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Katan is usually more of a big power guy

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Speaker 3: like executive branch. They've definitely got Thomas Rdy, Thomas Alito,

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Speaker 3: Kavanaugh likely to go on the side of the Trump administration.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you could conceivably see a six ' three

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Speaker 3: on something like this. Yeah, I'd be curious to see

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01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 3: how it breaks down. I asked around and they told

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Speaker 3: me the same thing. They're like Kavanaugh or they said, Gorsich, Cony,

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Speaker 3: Barrett are both big question marks. A lot of it,

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Speaker 3: remember comes back to implementation as well. This chaos does

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Speaker 3: not help your case, because that's something that they've written

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Speaker 3: about often in Supreme Court opinions, is that.

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Speaker 1: You have to follow the letter of the law and

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Speaker 1: the process.

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Speaker 3: That's what specifically came back to screw them on the

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Speaker 3: census back in twenty eighteen when Justice Roberts ruled against

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Speaker 3: the Trump administration. So he's got a long history of

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01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 3: not buying some of this stuff, you know, going all

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Speaker 3: the way back to Obamacare and others like novel conservative

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01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 3: legal theories. So they really could have issues before the

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Speaker 3: Court with this one. It's all about testing the limits

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Speaker 3: of power. This was very basically laid out by a

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Speaker 3: lot of people incoming in the Trump administration. They want

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Speaker 3: to be able to do as much as they possibly can,

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Speaker 3: and they're trying to get it done early to figure

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Speaker 3: out what they actually can do going forward.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, that's right.

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Speaker 2: And I will say, like Democrats have been utterly pathetic

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01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,719
Speaker 2: and responding to this time and are generally utterly pathetic

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01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 2: and disappointing, et cetera. But it is also true that

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01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 2: it is easier to like dismantle, cut and destroy than

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Speaker 2: it is to like build new programs.

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Speaker 5: So you know, I mean.

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Speaker 2: That's what they're they're with this with the buyouts that

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Speaker 2: we mentioned, which aren't really buying whatever.

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Speaker 5: Put that semantic difference aside.

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Speaker 2: But you know, they're trying to cut some ten percent

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Speaker 2: kind of randomly broad swath of the federal government. All

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Speaker 2: of those you know, all of those attempts to they

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Speaker 2: want to they've talked about they want to demoralize the

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Speaker 2: entire federal workforce. They want to use these sorts of

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Speaker 2: truly unprocessed and extraordinary powers to just you know, take

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Speaker 2: a hatchet to all sorts of things within the federal government. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the wrecking ball has arrived, and they're doing everything that

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Speaker 2: they possibly can with it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense, all right, we will let's get

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Speaker 3: to Jeremy Corbell standing by UFOs joining us now is

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Speaker 3: my friend Jeremy Corbel to react to some of the

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Speaker 3: news around the New Jersey drones.

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Speaker 1: It's great to see you, sir. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Jeremy, we want your reaction here to the White

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Speaker 3: House coming out with a statement on the New Jersey

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Speaker 3: drone phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen and we're going to get your reaction.

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Speaker 15: And before I turned to questions, I do have news

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Speaker 15: directly from the President of the United States that was

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01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 15: just shared with me in the Oval Office from President

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Speaker 15: Trump directly an update on the New Jersey drones. After

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Speaker 15: research and study, the drones that were flying over New

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Speaker 15: Jersey and large numbers were authorized to be flown by

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Speaker 15: the FAA for research and various other reasons. Many of

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Speaker 15: these drones were also hobbyists, recreational and private individuals that

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Speaker 15: enjoy flying jones. In meantime, in time, it got worse

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Speaker 15: due to curiosity. This was not the enemy.

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Speaker 3: A lot going on there, Jeremy. So, in your expert opinion,

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Speaker 3: what do you make of this?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean the explanation is fundamentally nonsensical. I think

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Speaker 14: we all had high hopes for a new era of transparency.

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Speaker 14: Look for me on the UAP topic, but also just

1828
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 14: on a bunch of topics, we're not seeing it in

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01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 14: that statement. Let me just give you a little breakdown here.

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01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 14: The FAA would not approve research flights without communication with

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01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 14: facility heads, and same with military bases. You know, did

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Speaker 14: the fa authorize the ones that buzzed Langley seventeen nights

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Speaker 14: in a row. Did they authorize the untrackable drones that

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01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 14: infiltrated three US and UK air bases and that was

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01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 14: going on for weeks? You know, did they did the

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Speaker 14: FAA authorized flight restrictions if they if they had originally

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Speaker 14: authorized these drones, It's absolutely non sensical. And I'll tell you,

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Speaker 14: I get reports from people that are actually guarding these

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01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 14: critical infrastructure sites what they're seeing through their flear and

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01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 14: through their thermal It's not just traditional drones. And so

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01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 14: this is an issue of transparency. We had high hopes.

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01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 14: We're not getting it. Remember, these drones were not affected

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Speaker 14: by anti drone technologists, so these just weren't approved tasks.

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01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 14: It's just a blatant flat out line.

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01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean research and various other reasons. Like listen,

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01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 2: I'm a skeptic personally, so I would be open to

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01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 2: an explanation that's like research and here's exactly what's going on,

1848
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 2: and here's why it's confusing to people, and here's why

1849
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 2: the drone detection technology didn't work and why the flight

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01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 2: space wasn't authorized, blah blah blah. But I don't think

1851
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 2: anyone skeptic, not skeptic, whatever your thoughts are about the

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01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 2: situation is going to be satisfied with research and various

1853
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:54,480
Speaker 2: other reasons.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: And look, this is not necessarily something that we have

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01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 14: to be, you know, skeptical about where they come from.

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01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 14: This is just a matter of fact that we have

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01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 14: unidentified craft that are loitering over sensitive military and nuclear

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01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 14: installations and also power stations. So this is something that

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01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 14: we should address face on and we should be honest

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Speaker 14: about it. Just the answer that they came up with

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01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 14: is absolutely nonsensical, and that's the problem, right, especially when

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Speaker 14: you consider all of the authorities involved the military bases.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I want to talk to you about here, Jeremy.

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Speaker 3: Can you put this answer in the context of all

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Speaker 3: of these other UAP incidents that we have seen over

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Speaker 3: military bases. And then the subsequent explanation somewhat month and

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01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:44,839
Speaker 3: a half later, that vague you know, Oh it was research,

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Speaker 3: it was authorized. Does this fit with a pattern from

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Speaker 3: the US government.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it does.

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Speaker 14: And this is something back in twenty nineteen when we

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Speaker 14: had ten navy warships over one hundred mile radius swarmed

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Speaker 14: by over one hundred unidentified And that's where George app

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01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 14: and I provided so many different types of footage showing

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01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 14: that this is an issue everybody on the ships we've

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Speaker 14: spoken with that we've brought forward. This is something where

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01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 14: you have these incursions and this has been going on

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Speaker 14: for a long time. You know your history, you guys,

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01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 14: you know the shutdown of nuclear based shutdowns of airports.

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Speaker 14: We're not getting truthful answers, and that's what we were

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Speaker 14: all hoping for. Again, this answer is just so nonsensical,

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Speaker 14: it's almost comical if it wasn't a serious issue.

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Speaker 2: You know, right, what are some of the ongoing transparency

1885
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Speaker 2: issues that you're hoping are going to be resolved ultimately

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Speaker 2: under this administration?

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Speaker 14: Jeremy Well, you know that I'm obsessed with the UFO

1888
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Speaker 14: and UAP issues. So I'd like that to be resolved,

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Speaker 14: and we tried to do that in Congress a number

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Speaker 14: of times. You know, I think the American public deserves,

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01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 14: or not even deserves, it is our right to have

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01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 14: transparency within government, and we're just seeing I hope we're not,

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01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 14: but it appears we're just seeing the kind of same

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01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 14: status quo as things unfold. Lot of promises are made.

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01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 14: Remember back in the day, the Clintons tried to get

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Speaker 14: this information out, John Podesta, try to get this information out,

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01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 14: ground truth on what uap UFOs are, what they represent

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Speaker 14: to humanity. And it's just we're not seeing that right now.

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Speaker 14: That's a fact.

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Speaker 1: Jeremy. Could you also give us your reaction.

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Speaker 3: This must some more whistleblowers and others that have come out,

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01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 3: you know, government psionics and others. I'm just curious for

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01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 3: your take on the matter and how that fits in

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01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 3: the broader scheme of whistleblowers coming forward trying to give

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01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,680
Speaker 3: information to Congress and to the government. And then at

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Speaker 3: the very same time, we have the White House here

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Speaker 3: with a traditional obviously BS explanation about the New Jersey drones.

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Speaker 14: Right, and so that's what we're seeing. What we're seeing

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01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 14: is we're not going to get the answers through the

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01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:46,599
Speaker 14: traditional means we were hoping. Unfortunately, you know, through through

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Speaker 14: the Senate, through the House, just through through the White

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Speaker 14: House in general. We're not going to get those answers.

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01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 14: So how are we It's going to be on journalism,

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Speaker 14: and that's okay. That's what we're all doing is trying

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01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 14: to get to the bottom and core truth on all

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01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 14: of this. So I'm very hopeful for journalism right now.

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Speaker 14: A lot of people are throwing down or a lot

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Speaker 14: of people are getting involved with this issue. So we

1919
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 14: have to do good journalism no matter what the White

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Speaker 14: House does.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, So we'll end it there. Jeremy, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: And listen, Jeremy me us. We tried to warn you

1923
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 3: we could do it the easy way, but catastrophic is

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01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 3: the way that you guys want to.

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Speaker 1: Go, So be it right. I mean, we try to

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Speaker 1: see that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've tried to give them the option of coming

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01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 3: forward of disclosure. They are leaving it to the whistleblowers

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01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 3: and the eyewitnesses and other staff to come forward and

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Speaker 3: to force the hand. If that's the way they want

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01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 3: to play it, fine, we can continue to fight if

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Speaker 3: we need to.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, sir, We appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Very fortunate to be joined this morning by Peter Binart.

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Speaker 2: He is editor at large of Jewish Currents. He is

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Speaker 2: author of buyne Art notebook on Substack, and also author

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Speaker 2: of a brand new book that we can put up

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Speaker 2: on the screen, being Jewish after the Destruction of Gaza

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Speaker 2: a reckoning. Great to see you, Peter, Thanks a lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So my typical first question is what prompted the writing

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Speaker 2: of the book, But I think that much is pretty obvious.

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Speaker 2: But maybe you could start off by talking a little

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Speaker 2: bit about what this period has been like, the post

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Speaker 2: Ox October seventh period has been like, specifically for you

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Speaker 2: and for your relationship with the Jewish community.

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Speaker 16: So one of the central metaphors in Jewish tradition is

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Speaker 16: of a family, kind of imagined extended family. Weaving used

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Speaker 16: the term, you know, bene Israel, the children of Israel

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Speaker 16: to describe all of us, even though Israel is the

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Speaker 16: name that was given to Jacob after he wrestles with

1952
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Speaker 16: the angel in the Book of Genesis, and.

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Speaker 11: So there's something there.

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Speaker 16: And it's also a family that has imagined family that

1955
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 16: has been through a lot of trauma and then experienced

1956
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Speaker 16: another tremendous level of trauma on October seventh, which was really, say,

1957
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Speaker 16: for many of us, one of the worst days of

1958
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Speaker 16: our lives. It's very in those moments. What families want

1959
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 16: is solidarity and support. But the tragedy to me is

1960
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:01,719
Speaker 16: that the way in which the organized American Jewish communities,

1961
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 16: rarely government asked for that solidarity is unconditional support for

1962
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Speaker 16: the brutal oppression of Palestinians and now the destruction of Gaza.

1963
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 16: So for me, I think the emotions that led me

1964
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Speaker 16: to write this book were this struggle to show that

1965
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Speaker 16: I do feel a sense of solidarity and love for

1966
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Speaker 16: people and a tradition that is at the center of

1967
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Speaker 16: my life, and yet something has gone profoundly wrong when

1968
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Speaker 16: we take that tradition and that sense of obligation to

1969
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 16: one another and it becomes an excuse for doing just

1970
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Speaker 16: the most horrifying things to another group of people.

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Speaker 2: So you talk about how the Jewish community needs a

1972
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 2: new story. Talk a little bit about what the current

1973
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Speaker 2: story is and what are the problems with that current story,

1974
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Speaker 2: and what a new story that may better served not

1975
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 2: just the Jewish community about the world at large what

1976
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Speaker 2: that might look like.

1977
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Speaker 16: I think Jewish public discourse tends to be dominated by

1978
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:01,839
Speaker 16: a narrative of Jews as kind of history's permanent virtuous victims.

1979
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:04,559
Speaker 16: The truth is the Jewish sacred texts actually tell a

1980
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Speaker 16: much more complicated story than that, but that becomes the one.

1981
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Speaker 16: I think that is often in the kind of folk

1982
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 16: the folk kind of narrative that exists. And then so

1983
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Speaker 16: you hear this even in the description of October seventh.

1984
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Speaker 16: Right to be clear, October seventh was a horrifying act

1985
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Speaker 16: of violence, including against many many Israeli civilians, but it

1986
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Speaker 16: gets called a poe grown. So what happens then, is

1987
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Speaker 16: you are linking this to violence against Jews in the

1988
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Speaker 16: Russian Empire in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century.

1989
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Speaker 16: Is if basically the Jewish condition is the same, because

1990
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 16: they're always going to be these these vicious anti Semitis

1991
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Speaker 16: who are going to try to kill Jews wherever they are,

1992
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Speaker 16: right or that people say it's the worst killing of

1993
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Speaker 16: Jews since the Holocaust, Right, But the truth is the

1994
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Speaker 16: conditions that exist for Palestinians in particularly Palacines in Gaza

1995
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Speaker 16: are nothing like the conditions that exist in the Russian

1996
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 16: Empire in the early twentieth century or or during the

1997
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:58,360
Speaker 16: Nazi period, because you can't understand European anti Semitism and

1998
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 16: violence against Jews without under staying Jews is a legally

1999
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 16: subordinated group of people. But in Israel Palestine it's the reverse.

2000
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 16: Jews have legal supremacy. It's Palestinians who are legally subordinates,

2001
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 16: who live without basic rights. And if you want to

2002
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 16: understand Palestinian violence and you want to make sure that

2003
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Speaker 16: it doesn't happen again, that everybody is safer, you have

2004
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Speaker 16: to face that reality of the oppression that Palestinians exists

2005
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Speaker 16: for palties, not to justify God forbid what happens on

2006
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:29,720
Speaker 16: our pobrase seven, but to understand the conditions so you

2007
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Speaker 16: can ensure that doesn't happen again, which means responding to

2008
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Speaker 16: the desire of Palestinians to be free.

2009
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Speaker 2: You have a quote in here you say, treating a

2010
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Speaker 2: state as a God is a very frightening endeavor. It

2011
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Speaker 2: confers upon mortals a level of veneration that we do

2012
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Speaker 2: not deserve and will always abuse. Leibowitz called it the

2013
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Speaker 2: essence of fascism. How did support for the state of

2014
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Speaker 2: Israel not just you know, broadly the state of Israel existing,

2015
01:37:57,200 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 2: but even the specific policies effectuated by an extremely far

2016
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:04,879
Speaker 2: right I would say fascist government under bebing at Yahoo.

2017
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Speaker 2: How did that get tied up so much with Judaism

2018
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:12,799
Speaker 2: to the extent that, you know, the ADL and other groups.

2019
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Speaker 2: The definition that the US government is working with now

2020
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Speaker 2: will say that if you criticize this state, you are

2021
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 2: actually yourself anti Semitic.

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Speaker 16: You know, I don't think I really understood. I don't

2023
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:26,759
Speaker 16: think I know the answer to that question and Begause,

2024
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:30,760
Speaker 16: But I think it's actually a global thing that's happening now.

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Speaker 16: When I look at the way some white evangelical Christians

2026
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Speaker 16: in Trump's talk about the United States, it seems to

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Speaker 16: be almost a parallel in which that in Trump's America,

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Speaker 16: it's in Trump support. It seems to be if you

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Speaker 16: don't have an American passport, if you don't have the

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Speaker 16: right documentation, you are worthless. Your life is meaningless. The

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Speaker 16: worship the state is all that matters, and whether you

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Speaker 16: have citizens anything. I mean, I'm not an expert on Christianity,

2033
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Speaker 16: but my understanding is that Christianity has a message about

2034
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Speaker 16: the universal dignity of all human beings, irrespective of what

2035
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 16: passport you have right, And I think something parallel has

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Speaker 16: happened in much of the organized American Jewish community in

2037
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Speaker 16: which Judaism's message of the universal dignity of all human beings.

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Speaker 11: Because Todah does not start with a story of Jews.

2039
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Speaker 16: The first according to Jewish tradition, Adam eve Noah, the

2040
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Speaker 16: first characters in Torah are not Jews. They're universal human beings,

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Speaker 16: and they are symbols of the infinite value of all

2042
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Speaker 16: human life. And yet what happens when we talk about

2043
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Speaker 16: Israel and Gaza is that the first thing that's demanded

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Speaker 16: is that people accept Israel's right to exist. Jewish tradition

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Speaker 16: does not think in terms of states having rights to exist.

2046
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Speaker 16: It thinks in terms of human beings having rights to exist.

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Speaker 16: States are mere instruments for the protection of human life,

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Speaker 16: and if they do a really terrible job of protecting

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Speaker 16: the lives of the people under their control, they should

2050
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Speaker 16: be reimagined, recreated. And yet instead it's inverted. So the

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Speaker 16: lives of the children of Gaza and the other people

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Speaker 16: of Gaza are considered not to be precious, but the

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Speaker 16: right of the existence of Israel as a Jewish state

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Speaker 16: with a political certain political system is considered sac percent

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Speaker 16: And to me, that's idology.

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Speaker 2: It's funny you make that connection because I was thinking

2057
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Speaker 2: about that same connection too, in the context of the

2058
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Speaker 2: freak out over what the bishop had to say about

2059
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Speaker 2: mercy for migrants, mercy for LGBTQ people, and how there

2060
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Speaker 2: was such a vociferous reaction against that from the right.

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Speaker 2: You know, obviously the President was upset, Jade Vance was

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Speaker 2: tweeting about it, and you know, it was a subject

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Speaker 2: of primetime programming on Fox News, et cetera. Even though listen,

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Speaker 2: I'm also not a Christian, but I do have reading

2065
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Speaker 2: comprehensions and skills, and I have a basic understanding of Christianity,

2066
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 2: and I know that, you know, humanity for the foreigner

2067
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Speaker 2: is kind of a key theme throughout the whole thing,

2068
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Speaker 2: even the Old Testament, New Testament. Jesus like whoever you

2069
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:48,080
Speaker 2: want to look at that was that is a key message.

2070
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Speaker 2: And I think Tim Alberta has done he's I think,

2071
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Speaker 2: probably done the best job writing about this connection. Yes,

2072
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Speaker 2: but I really it did actually help me to understand

2073
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Speaker 2: also the societal process that has gone on in on

2074
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Speaker 2: within the state of Israel. And I think, you know,

2075
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Speaker 2: more broadly with many exceptions, but more broadly within the

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Speaker 2: stridently you know, Zionist Jewish community that has led to

2077
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Speaker 2: this place where the state itself is sacercanct and that

2078
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 2: that is put above even you know, the religious texts

2079
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 2: that are supposed to be so central. You know that

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Speaker 2: that really did kind of hit home for me as well.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

2082
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Speaker 16: Thanks, Yeah, I mean it's interesting if you look at

2083
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Speaker 16: you know, if you look at Jewish religious thinkers in

2084
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 16: the early you know, in the early decades of Zionism,

2085
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:39,839
Speaker 16: there's a great fear actually of nationalism, as of secular nationalism,

2086
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 16: that secular nationalism actually doesn't that the seculars will undermine

2087
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 16: and threaten the kind of ethical principles in Judaism.

2088
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Speaker 11: And I think that's exactly what's happened.

2089
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 16: That nationalism has become a religion, not just nationalism, but

2090
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 16: ethno nationalism has become a religion. And you know, and

2091
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 16: you see it among you see it in the United States,

2092
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:03,840
Speaker 16: you see it among Jews, you see it in India

2093
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 16: right where where Hinduta kind of is kind of has

2094
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:10,360
Speaker 16: become a version of Hinduism or replaced Hinduism, in which

2095
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:12,800
Speaker 16: basically the rights of Muslims now are considered to be

2096
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 16: you know, you know something that don't doesn't need to

2097
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:19,080
Speaker 16: be respected because this is a Hindu nation. It's a

2098
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:21,760
Speaker 16: very dangerous thing that I think is happening globally.

2099
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:24,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a really important point. I did

2100
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Speaker 2: want to ask you a little bit about some some

2101
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:29,040
Speaker 2: current events and Elon Musk in particular, because it certainly

2102
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Speaker 2: it directly relates to your book. I mean, you know,

2103
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:34,640
Speaker 2: this is a person who has shared and spread the

2104
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 2: quote unquote great replacement theory, which is brazenly anti Semitic.

2105
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:40,640
Speaker 2: He had to go and like pay you know, do

2106
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 2: penance with the ADL and go on this trip.

2107
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Speaker 5: To Israel, et cetera.

2108
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 2: But routinely, you know, as algorithm on Twitter boost my

2109
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 2: feet is filled with a bunch of Nazis kind of

2110
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 2: constantly like amplifying their talking points, goes now and speaks

2111
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 2: to the far right German AfD party.

2112
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Speaker 5: Absolutely reaction.

2113
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:03,879
Speaker 2: Era did what sure look to be, in my humble opinion,

2114
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Speaker 2: like a Nazi salute twice on Inauguration Day. And yet

2115
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:11,240
Speaker 2: you know, the ADL, which is supposed to be the

2116
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:13,680
Speaker 2: arbiter of what is and what is an anti Semitism,

2117
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:16,120
Speaker 2: comes out and is like just an awkward jet we

2118
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:18,840
Speaker 2: understand tensions are high, just an awkward gesture and not

2119
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:21,160
Speaker 2: just them bb not Yahou himself comes out and says,

2120
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Speaker 2: Elon's a.

2121
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:22,479
Speaker 5: Friend of the Jew.

2122
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 2: I mean, how do we explain this whitewashing of Nazism

2123
01:43:28,360 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 2: directly from the organs that are supposed to be repelled

2124
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:33,520
Speaker 2: by such an ideology.

2125
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Speaker 16: Well, first of all, it's just sheer cowardice, which we're

2126
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 16: seeing where there's an orgy of cowardice happening across American institutions. Right,

2127
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 16: people are afraid of Elon Musk and they're afraid of

2128
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 16: Donald Trump. So that's just I think on one broader

2129
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:48,439
Speaker 16: thing which is happening, which is the ADL is doing

2130
01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:54,240
Speaker 16: as well. But it's also because the struggle against a

2131
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:57,320
Speaker 16: certain kind of bigotry, in this case anti Semitism, has

2132
01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:02,599
Speaker 16: been proundly corrupted by the equation of a struggle against

2133
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 16: bigotry with the defense of a state, and indeed with

2134
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Speaker 16: the defense of a state that itself is practicing state

2135
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:12,720
Speaker 16: sponsored bigotry. Right, Israel's own leading human rights organizations say

2136
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:16,479
Speaker 16: that Israel is practicing apartheid. So you can't be an

2137
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:20,759
Speaker 16: anti bigotry organization if you define your mission as defending

2138
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:24,080
Speaker 16: a state that's practicing bigotry, right, and so, you know,

2139
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Speaker 16: I sometimes imagine what would happen if the NAACP defined

2140
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:31,320
Speaker 16: its struggle against anti black bigotry as also including the

2141
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:35,320
Speaker 16: defense of Nigeria, Ghana, Kenya, Sudan, and a bunch of

2142
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Speaker 16: other African governments. Right, they would be lobbying accusations at

2143
01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 16: progressives all the time who were criticizing these governments for

2144
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:43,919
Speaker 16: their human rights abuses.

2145
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Speaker 10: Right.

2146
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:48,880
Speaker 16: It would completely distort and undermine their effort against anti

2147
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 16: black racism. And this is really what's happened with the

2148
01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:55,519
Speaker 16: ADL and other American Jewish organizations since the nineteen seventies

2149
01:44:55,560 --> 01:45:00,000
Speaker 16: when they redefine themselves as Israel defense organizations.

2150
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Speaker 2: What do you make of some of the developments that

2151
01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:05,120
Speaker 2: we've seen here early in the Trump administry, even before

2152
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:08,439
Speaker 2: he comes into office, they're able to secure what is

2153
01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 2: at least a temporary cease fire deal in the Gaza strip.

2154
01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 2: We see people who have just recently been able to

2155
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:17,240
Speaker 2: return to their homes. At the same time, a lot

2156
01:45:17,240 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 2: of question marks about what is going to happen next.

2157
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:24,880
Speaker 2: You see increasing mass violence in the West Bank, both

2158
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 2: by violent settlers but also very much backed by the IDF.

2159
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:32,679
Speaker 2: You know, VVN at Yahoo has already seemed to promise

2160
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:35,800
Speaker 2: that they're going to go back to the war and

2161
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 2: the atrocities as soon as this phase is complete. What

2162
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:41,160
Speaker 2: do you sort of make of where we are, What

2163
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:43,760
Speaker 2: are your hopes and fears for what happens next?

2164
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Speaker 16: I think that look, obviously it was a good thing

2165
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Speaker 16: that there was a cease fire, that some of those

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Speaker 16: hostages are coming home, that Palestinians at least can get

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Speaker 16: some aid in so they're not starving to death. But

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Speaker 16: the trajectory overall looks incredibly bleek. If you had to

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Speaker 16: ask me what I think is the most likely scenaire,

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Speaker 16: you know, trajectory that we are headed on and it

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Speaker 16: will take decades maybe to be head But this is

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Speaker 16: unless we change US policy and Europe changes policy, and

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Speaker 16: Israeli impunity ends. I think we are on a path

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Speaker 16: towards the destruction of the Palestinian people. Not that every

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Speaker 16: last Palestinian is going to die, but something analogous to

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Speaker 16: what the United States did in the nineteenth century with

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Speaker 16: Native Americans. Right, we didn't create a two state solution,

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Speaker 16: you know, we didn't stop along when we stop at

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Speaker 16: the Mississippi River and say you can have the land.

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Speaker 11: Right.

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Speaker 16: Basically, the US just continued and continued until Native Americans

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Speaker 16: were destroyed as a political entity that could resist. And

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Speaker 16: I think that what we are seeing is that things

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Speaker 16: that we did not believe were possible in the twenty

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Speaker 16: first century, we believed were relegated to an earlier era

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Speaker 16: in human history, are very much possible. And I don't

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Speaker 16: think they will stop with Palestinians, and I don't think

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Speaker 16: they will stop with Gaza unless we can stop it

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Speaker 16: through a mass political movement that can change the political.

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Speaker 11: Dynamics in the United States.

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Speaker 16: I think that's the only thing that's going to because

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Speaker 16: Donald Trump is not going to stand in the way

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Speaker 16: of this. In fact, he's going to He's going to

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Speaker 16: applaud this. He said the people of Gaza should go

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Speaker 16: to Jordan and Egypt. I mean that statement alone should

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Speaker 16: have him sitting in the Hague before the International Criminal Corps.

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Speaker 11: Is a call.

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Speaker 16: It is a monstrous call for mass ethnic cleansing. The

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Speaker 16: United States has, with our weapons, destroyed this piece of territory,

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Speaker 16: destroyed most of the hospitals, the schools, the agriculture, the buildings,

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Speaker 16: and now Donald Trump says, oh, it looks like it's

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Speaker 16: really awful there.

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Speaker 11: Not that we're going to rebuild it.

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Speaker 16: Not that those people deserve freedom, not that they should

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Speaker 16: be able to return to Israel, which is where their

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Speaker 16: families are actually from, and we're expelled in nineteen forty eight,

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Speaker 16: but that they should go and become stateless refugees in

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Speaker 16: a foreign country unless we can change the politics through

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Speaker 16: a mass movement.

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Speaker 11: This is where things are headed.

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Speaker 2: I fear, and I think that your right to point

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Speaker 2: out that even if even if this was quote unquote

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Speaker 2: only this treatment was only reserved for Palestinians, obviously that

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Speaker 2: would be horror enough. But to me, the implication is

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Speaker 2: much broader, because once a complete genocide and ethnic cleansing

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Speaker 2: is on the table, with the backing of the world's

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Speaker 2: superpower and our weapons and the parts of the United

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Speaker 2: States saying hey, this is the solution I want going

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Speaker 2: forward that doesn't just stay in that corner of the world,

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Speaker 2: that opens up a Pandora's box.

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Speaker 5: Of new horrifying.

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Speaker 2: Possibilities that we really haven't fully I mean, not that

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Speaker 2: the world has ever been perfect, not that the post

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Speaker 2: World War two order has been not that the US

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Speaker 2: has been benevolent, not that we haven't fallen down, but

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Speaker 2: it truly opens up a new order of pure might

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Speaker 2: makes right barbarism that has ramifications for the entire world.

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Speaker 2: The United States of America included absolutely.

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Speaker 11: You know what I think we forget.

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Speaker 16: Actually we could be entering a real new age of

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Speaker 16: ethnic cleansing. I mean, there was it was ethnic cleansing

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Speaker 16: of Armenians that actually happened in the summer of October

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Speaker 16: twenty three that people don't remember so much. But countries

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Speaker 16: learn from each other. Governments learn from each other, right,

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Speaker 16: and they see what's possible, they see what you can

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Speaker 16: get away with. And so there are a lot of countries,

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Speaker 16: country governments in the world. You think of Orandra Modi

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Speaker 16: with Muslims in India, there are a lot of governments

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Speaker 16: to say, we have disposable populations, We have populations that

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Speaker 16: are that are a nuisance for us and our vision

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Speaker 16: of the state that we want right and if we

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Speaker 16: if Israel can do this to the Palestinians, and Israel

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Speaker 16: is also exporting this technology all over the world. That's right, right,

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Speaker 16: it's testing and exporting this dystopic technology of surveillance and death,

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Speaker 16: and it will be used in it will be used

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Speaker 16: all over the world in populations that their governments consider

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Speaker 16: a nuisance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's right. Palestine, you know, Gaza has truly

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Speaker 2: been a sort of laboratory for AI driven death and destruction.

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Speaker 2: The drop site and nine seventy two plus magazine both

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Speaker 2: revealed Microsoft's biggest AI customer now in this open AI's partner,

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Speaker 2: biggest AI customer now is the Israeli government post October seventh,

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Speaker 2: and you know, our own government obviously pushing huge amount

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Speaker 2: of dollars in their direction and celebrating this sort of development.

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Speaker 2: And so it's not just obviously we already have nuclear webs,

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Speaker 2: we already have the capability to destroy the world. But

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Speaker 2: the level of barbarism that will be enabled by these

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Speaker 2: AI tools also ups the stakes, just insane levels that

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Speaker 2: we can barely comprehend.

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Speaker 16: Absolutely, you know, And and in the in the you know,

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Speaker 16: in the in the Torah idolatry is linked to barbarism

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Speaker 16: again and again because it means idolatry is that you

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Speaker 16: don't respect the dignity of the human being. And I,

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Speaker 16: you know, you were referring to that to the woman

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Speaker 16: I'm forgetting her name, who spoke out in you know,

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Speaker 16: at the Episcopal Church, you know, for it to Donald

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Speaker 16: in front of Donald Trump and J. D.

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Speaker 11: Mann.

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Speaker 16: And when I looked at her, I thought, where are

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Speaker 16: our equivalents of that woman in the Jewish world? People

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Speaker 16: who are willing to risk being publicly attacked, people who

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Speaker 16: are willing to risk violence against peopleho are willing to

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Speaker 16: risk their jobs. Abraham Joshuahshel, one of the greatest American

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Speaker 16: Jewish figures of the twentieth century, said that during the

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Speaker 16: Vietnam War, he could not pray, he could not open

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Speaker 16: the prayer book because he saw images in his mind

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Speaker 16: of children being napalm. Where are our rabbis that are

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Speaker 16: speaking that way about the about the fact that Goza

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Speaker 16: now has more child amputees than any place in human history.

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Speaker 16: I feel like there's a huge moral absence there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're not a rabbi, but your voice has

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Speaker 2: been really important, not just with this book, but you know,

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Speaker 2: with your track record is speaking out and risking significant consequences,

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Speaker 2: both in terms of your personal and professional life. So Peter,

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Speaker 2: tell people where they can where they can get the book,

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Speaker 2: and we can put the book back jacket back up

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Speaker 2: on the screen too.

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Speaker 11: Thank you. You can get it.

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Speaker 16: You can just get it online that any of the

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Speaker 16: online booksellers are hopefully your local bookstore. And I'm really

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Speaker 16: really grateful to have the opportunity to talk about it

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Speaker 16: with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absolutely our pleasure and it's always an honor

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Speaker 2: to get to speak with you, Peter, Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for taking the.

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Speaker 5: Time at all.

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Speaker 2: Right, guys, thank you so much for watching jam pac day.

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Speaker 2: We did not, in fact get to that promised blog

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Speaker 2: about bioce because there's just too much to say about

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Speaker 2: too many other topics. But thank you guys so much

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Speaker 2: for sticking with us and trusting us in this very

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Speaker 2: very busy and consequential news cycle. And we'll see you

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Speaker 2: guys again next week.