WEBVTT - Ep. 248: Running with Guns 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.599 bug bitten in my case, underwear listening podcast. You can't 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.680 predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators are the 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.479 most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download the Hunt 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.680 app from the iTunes or Google play store. Nor where 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:38.839 you stand with on X. Okay, we're joined, Uh, the 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.600 second Taylor we've had in a row. Now, whether Cran 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:46.879 releases easy or not, don't say that he's commenting on it. 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:50.839 I can't say what because of the order. Yeah, I 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.279 just I was just getting into that. Okay, fine, now 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.880 he's got to reset the tim again. This might be 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:01.000 the no, just leave this in. Leave this in so 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.080 you can see what I have to deal with. Joined 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.720 by the second Taylor in a row, though it might 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:09.800 not be how you hear it, because that depends on 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.880 whether Krian what she does. This might be the first Tailor, 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:16.440 but for us second tailor Roll. Both with a great 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:21.640 affinity for firearms, but in a very different context. The 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:25.200 other Taylor Taylor McCall um. He's got a song which 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:27.399 could be your theme song. It's called black Powder Soul. 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:31.280 That sounds exciting. Yeah, I don't think he'd be too. 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:34.679 I'm guessing that he wouldn't be terribly handy with a gun, 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.959 but has a great affinity four guns. Would you beat 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:40.560 me up on that? Maybe he's handy with a gun. 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.400 I would bet that you would have beat him in 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:47.520 three guns. Don't shoot him, Taylor definitely would. Yeah, but 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.560 I think even today you you would have. Yeah. I 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:52.520 think he's crafty at fishing. I don't think he's a 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.920 crafty shooter. Yeah, he's getting into it. That was Taylor McCall. 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:59.640 This Taylor is Taylor Thorn like Thorne Bay th h 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:08.440 r an e from New Hampshire, New Hampshire, but not anymore. Well, right, 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:10.519 you're still from there. You always be from there. Well 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:14.280 technically I'm from Texas. Uh so, yeah, so the story 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:19.079 gets that's right, but you got like a whole confused 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.720 like I'm from here situation. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well because 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.400 I was born and raised in Houston, which you know, 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.720 not everyone knows Houston is like the fourth biggest city 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.560 in the country. Yeah, it doesn't get a lot of 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.600 big maybe in Texas it does and the North people. 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.040 If you ask people in the North to name big cities, 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:38.960 they wouldn't get to it well, and the thing too 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.639 is that so it's the fourth biggest one. But people say, 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:43.240 like when I moved to New Hampshire, They're like, oh, 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.519 you're from Texas, You're roaming with the cows. I came 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:49.280 from Houston, a concrete jungle, like it was a legal 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:52.440 to own firm animals. And I'm like, um, so, y'all 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:56.080 are roaming with the cows literally, So it was a 0:02:56.120 --> 0:03:00.000 culture shock for sure. Yeah, because they thought I would 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.800 the hill billy, which was so weird. So I moved 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.680 to New Hampshire when I was thirteen. Okay, hold that 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:08.400 thought from bex. A couple things we gotta take care of, 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.360 uh Johnie first, just gotta do a thing. He's got 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:15.440 to do a favor for a listener. We don't often 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:20.079 get actual handwritten fans. Oh we can still get a 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:24.240 lot of it. Well, the it's flow to me had 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.640 become interrupted, and I recently discovered a large stash of 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:31.240 male That's why you found that mail to you in 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:35.680 my truck, I see. Okay, well we got one from 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:41.160 Dylan because his wife say his name again shrup, And 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.560 you realize you weren't supposed to say that that you 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.120 weren't supposed to implicate his wife. Yes, she said, if 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.760 we give a shout out to Dylan please underlined, please 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.280 don't mention it. I put you up to it, but 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.960 I would have no way. How's it going to make 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:01.720 her look good if he doesn't know that that's who 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:03.560 did it? Well then, and I mean, what am I 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.960 gonna do? Just just say that? You know what? This 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.520 morning I woke up and I had a dream, and 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:10.840 I remember my dream, and you know what, I was 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:15.920 thinking about this name. The initials were d s And 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:19.720 then I continue to think and shrimp guy thought, it's 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:24.479 just not gonna work right. So sorry, mrs that's for sure. 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:25.919 If you took his name, I don't know. Do you 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.080 have a way that you could have seguated it somehow? No, 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.680 I was going to go straight on. I was going 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.440 straight to the wife because that's the hero here, and 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:40.400 why would she She's so pure of heart, But like 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:43.359 I'm worried about her. She loves her husband. Yeah, I 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:46.520 want him to know that he that she was trying 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.640 to do him a solid. Yeah, and he should what 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.960 and maybe he brings home flowers, constantly, does dishes and 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.279 whatever nice things he can for his wife all the time. 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.360 But I would say, Dylan, you definitely need to be 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.000 doing some nice things for your wife because she's she 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.920 sounds awesome. But a couple of highlights here from this 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:11.159 nice soul letter. She says that Dylan has this is Dylan. 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.279 I'm sorry, I'm gonna mention this stuff, and you canna 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:15.720 get a little mad at your wife, but that you 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:19.120 have man crushed on all of the meat eater guys, 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:23.360 especially the Latvian the eagle. That's okay, buddy, I got 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:27.160 man crushes myself. It's it's it's totally fine. Man own it. 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.720 And um, she said they listen to meter podcasts relentlessly. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:36.840 She's learned more about everything in the in the woods, 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.080 including turkeys and bears and this, that and the other, 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:42.520 and she ever thought she would. Um. She likes to 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.560 busts balls and says that she doesn't like listening, but 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:50.960 she actually enjoys listening. So anyways, Dylan, shout out, and um, 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.800 everybody else listening, don't write in for shoutouts because we 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.480 don't often do this. Just we're just really taken by 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:02.600 Dylan's wife. So, um, there we go. That's so sweet. 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:07.840 Yeah that I mentioned she had really good penmanship, very 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:12.880 legible letter. Appreciate that. Another letter we got the the 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.800 new fashioned way, just an email letter, which kind of 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:21.359 spook because it's because this guy was writing in in 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:25.919 response to me becoming a deep drop enthusiast. He was 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.520 saying the I'm gonna start with the end. Well he's 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:32.520 he's a commercial fisherman from Florida, and he was talking 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:36.080 about me, talking about deep dropping. He says, this is 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.839 this is a heart this is a heartbreaking ship. So 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.279 you should put like sad music. Keep put some sad 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.279 music in over this when you put this together. So 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:49.760 he says, anyone familiar with deep dropping would have laughed 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:53.560 at Steve's explanation. And I don't want Steve to be 0:06:53.600 --> 0:07:02.240 rejected by the deep drop community. Where where are he? Okay, 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.200 he's telling me some stuff that I've heard from other 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:05.800 deep There's this seems to be some debate in the 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.760 deep drop community, but it's like an objective reality thing, 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.360 like there's not like room for two people to be right. 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.120 Do we need to explain what deep dropping is? Did 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.600 you see the deer in the headlights? It's it's when 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:21.080 you fish super super deep. I figured it was something together. 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.720 It made sense because what else would you be I 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:27.640 don't know at what point of deep drop becomes a 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.440 deep drop he talks about. It's probably like when you're 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.040 using deep drop tackle. But he's talked about deep dropping 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.280 in five feet, which I think is like, I'm sorry 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.600 to throw an insult back your way. I think five 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:43.480 feets piss and deep dropping. Yeah, nobody uses electric reels 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:45.720 at five feet. He's a commercial fisherman. I don't know, 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:47.680 but I think that I think that the deep drop 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.680 community is laughing at him, thinking that's deep dropping at 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.840 five feet. Okay, what else was it about your explanation? 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:56.640 One other thing quick, because we had to when we 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.480 were out, oh you were there, We had this idea 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:03.000 that we were going to lower Seth down. Have you 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:07.560 heard this? We want to lower Seth down into feet 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.600 of water in order to shrink him into a little 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.960 teeny seth from the pressure and then pull him back 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.440 up and just have like a little seth. That would 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:23.320 be casting movies and stuff. Yeah, but he well, he 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:27.120 doesn't like as he was saying that. Um, he's saying 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.800 that that. I was talking about how the current is 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:34.600 not strong out in so much water. Okay, he's saying, 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.000 you just don't You don't realize how much it's ripping 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.120 because you're far away from the shore and so your 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.120 frame of context of looking at trees going by. He says, 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:46.560 you're hauling ass. The currents hauling more ass out there 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.720 than it is in the shallow And he says that 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.520 that that the reason your tackle is always running away 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.720 from you is you got all that line out and 0:08:54.720 --> 0:09:00.320 the currents moving faster down deep mhm. And he said, 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.679 my things kindly not affected by the wind on the surface. 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.040 Like he's saying, my thing that it's more like the 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:12.200 wind blowing the boat is an optical illusion, like like 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.480 you lower your ship down and it's hard to keep 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:18.240 the boat in fourtet of water. It's hard to keep 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.000 like your bait directly blow the boat. It's like running 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:25.880 away from you. I was thinking that the wind is 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:30.600 moving you away from your ship, but he says, the 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:34.920 current is moving your ship away from you. And that's 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:38.120 why I would be rejected by the deep Drop community 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:44.079 for saying that. Other interesting thing. This guy, this is 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.280 guy named Luke. You know peopleize put their name and 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:50.640 their subject there, like line whatever. It's like m d 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:55.360 pH D c p A. Right, you know what I'm saying, like, yeah, 0:09:55.760 --> 0:10:00.920 this is this says no credentials. I love that guy. 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.360 Here's something about this. So we've talked we've touched on 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.040 this in the past. Photo period. So can you know 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:11.240 what photo period is? No, it's like length of day. 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:16.080 There's this idea that all that like the length of day. 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:20.480 So all the all this stuff in the animal world, 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.640 all this stuff in the plant world is triggered by 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:27.520 length of day. Um, things that we might think are 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:32.680 contributed are triggered by weather are in fact triggered by 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:38.040 length of day without the impact on weather. And so 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:43.040 like if you look at things like wind, salmon migrate, right, Um, 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:47.920 there's it's probably bracketed into an appropriate length of day window. 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.760 Within that length of day window, there could be like 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:56.280 little things weather could impact how something uses that length 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.840 of day window, but the length of day window is fixed. 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.400 So we talked about like like why do elk bugle 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.920 and people like, oh, you know they're they're not bugling 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.680 because it's hot. The rut came late because of this 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.559 or early because of that. It generally someone with jenerry 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.120 look and say like I can tell you that that 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:17.360 rut is occurring in this bracket of daytime length, because 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.040 right now you're losing three and a half minutes of 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.600 daylight every day, right so that that it's occurring in 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.880 this bracket, and within that bracket there could be these 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:30.120 minor variations depending on temperature, all of these other conditions, 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:31.800 but they're like the main thing that that thing has 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.520 gone by when a leaf, when a tree loses it leaves, 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:39.760 it's mostly going by photo period. This guy has some 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.560 interesting ship because this guy takes care of solar arrays, 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.520 and so they have all these sophisticated meters that measure 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:52.680 length of day, intensity of daylight. And he's watching his 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:57.480 solar arrays during these periods of intense smoke in the 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:01.680 west from forest fires, and he said that on a 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:05.560 on a he's betting on an earlier rot because he's like, 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:09.160 anyway that you'd measure photo period about like intensity of 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:13.080 mid day sun, length of day, like during the smoke, 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:17.720 length of day shortens, intensity of mid day sun diminishes. Boy, 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.800 you are really gonna throw our ranch into some people's 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:24.280 planning right now. That's gonna get some people thinking and 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:26.920 turn it in their beds at night that they're thinking 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.040 that rout could actually be changed by all the smoke 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:30.920 this country has had this year. Well, the thing is 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:32.679 too this dude wrote a long time ago. I've been 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:36.359 walking around with this email on my phone. But he 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:42.440 was fired up about hunting Labor Day for ELK. He says, 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:46.120 I'm putting all my eggs in the labor day weekend basket. 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.760 Luke no credentials labor. It would not have not have 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.160 paid out here in Montana, I don't think, because nobody 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:57.360 had great act, great bugling action early. But that length 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:02.679 of day is affected by amount of light or the 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:06.200 time of the number of hours minutes in a day 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.360 where there is light. Okay, So my aunt who was 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.680 affected by the fires, sent me a photo. It was 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.439 like ten am or eleven am in the morning within 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.760 her living room and it was just black. She didn't 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:20.640 have any lights on in the house. It was just 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.840 it's crazy. I just love California and it's a whole 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.480 that like that's part of their life and it's so 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.480 weird getting used to not seeing. So when I came 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:36.640 further east and you know, northeast from California, it's like 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:40.360 there's stars again, Like what is this craziness because I 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:42.719 had actually gotten used to not seeing the stars or 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.080 even seeing a blue sky, and the sun becomes this 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.280 weird color and you get so used to this weird environment. 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:51.520 Then it blows out and you're like, oh, that's right, 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:57.840 that's right, we have we have stars. We had speaking 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:02.199 of photo period. Uh. I remember our little boy. Our 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:06.440 littlest boy was real little. Uh. Days are so long 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:11.720 in the summertime that he goes to bed when it's daylight, right, 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:15.360 and wakes up in his daylight because it's like the 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:17.959 nights never end, you know, or the daytime never ends. 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.640 So he'd gone like this for a couple of months 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:23.280 in the summer, which when you're super little, like that's 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.280 like a lifetime. And we had to go to a 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:28.880 wedding one night, so he was real late and we 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:33.320 walked outside of the wedding and he said, who turned 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:40.160 the lights out? Because he'd like forgot forgot that. There's 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.600 like the thing was called darkness because he has seen 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:46.440 it ship in months. It's just like always daylight out 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.680 And now here do y'all get where you wake up 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:53.120 in the dark? And you okay, I figured as much 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.000 because that's always interesting, not even just wake up, but 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.000 get to work in the dark. And we work in 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:02.000 the dark. Yeah, I always feel lazy, Like I can't 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.040 really go to movies in the daytime because when you 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.680 come out of a movie and it's daylight, you feel 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.000 like you're wasting your life. You know, it's like better 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:10.440 to come out when it's dark so you don't feel 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.520 like it's so lazy. But when I go out to 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.080 my brother's place in the summer, when we used to 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:19.360 drink a lot, you um, an anchorage. You'd leave the 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.400 bar at closing time and it's still light out. That 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.200 makes you feel like a real worthless That makes you 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:30.160 feel worthless something they still have daylight. Yeah, Like they 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.760 close the bar, walk outside and you can see. Sure 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.800 I could have been doing something better with your life. Alright, 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.280 last thing for you for we before we dive into 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:45.000 Taylor's inner psyche. Um, this guy rode in. So this 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:48.880 guy goes down hunting. I never hunted this lake, real 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.040 foot Lake. You know what it's like. Um, I only 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.040 I've been on it, but it's in Tennessee. Yeah, my 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:58.960 brother in law hunted it. So big gass long email 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.200 about hunting real at Lake and how they everything they 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:06.480 do is different. And he says that he sends in 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:10.320 a recording, this is like the actual hunt recording, and 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.280 he says that the guide they're hunting with that this 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:20.280 is normal, a real foot lake to yell at Mallard's yell, 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:25.160 and he the benefit of the yelling. I don't know, 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.120 he said that, and he said it works. So instead 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.640 of going like, well the duck call wait wait, wait Wright, 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.120 So what did Ramsey Russell? How did he call it? 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.720 What was the sound he what was the name of 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:40.960 the sound that he made when he said that guys 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.360 would voice ducks in? Yeah, I think that that's what 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.640 this dude's responding to. Income or how did he say? 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:50.120 Yank m ame? He had like a what was the 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:51.720 word for it? You know what I mean? Yeah, I 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.920 don't remember. So this is this guy, he said, if 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.600 you know, play the sound. So and he said, this 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:04.160 dude doing this sound brought birds in. I I sounds 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:10.880 like a kung Fu movie idea. Play him yelling again, 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.679 he said, he said, this guy started doing it, and 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.160 he's like, what in the world is this guy doing? 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.440 And the watches this burgel come right back in. I 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:30.560 I I'll tell you what. I love it, man, I'm trying. 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:34.240 That's all it takes. I'm trying it next time. I 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:40.560 just got an image of Jackie Chan like doing and 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:45.280 then but afterwards he's defeated his like you know, and 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.680 then it's like the squeaky floor of him, like we're 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.119 just walking away. It's like, that's a good little movie 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.480 for that. Yeah, he might have been watching jack He 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.679 might have been watching kung fu movies real loud and 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:58.680 watched ducks get pouring in and eventually realized that all 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:04.359 the fight scenes X started coming into That's amazing. Okay, 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:10.600 moving on, Taylor, I'm gonna give you a choice. You 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:15.560 can choose to right off the bat, describe three gun 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:21.280 which is your compet your competitive shooter, Describe your what 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:26.240 do you call your discipline games? Or explain to people 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:30.280 how you live in a camper trailer. It's like, I 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:35.239 don't care which one goes first. I mean, I mean, 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.760 and they're intertwined. Well, that's the thing is how do 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.240 you go from from one to the other? Is it's 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:44.520 super intertwined? Are you not going to include in either 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.760 of those sort of how she got there? You can 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:52.399 go backwards to get there? I think that each based 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.800 on some time I stone Taylor, I think that each 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:58.040 would deliver us to the same place. I'm just curious 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.480 how she chooses to approach. Oh gosh, she could be like, 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:05.200 so the trailer, yeah, and then do the whole deal. 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.679 Would be like, so I like three gun yeah, it's 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:11.200 I would rather start with a camper first, because that's 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:15.439 that's a more easy, bite sized piece. Right. So I 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:19.480 started traveling. Gosh, I'm going into five months now. I 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.280 live and travel trailer that I toe with my forerunner 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:26.080 from New Hampshire in Montana right now. But what's interesting 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.040 is that I didn't come straight across the country. I 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.320 went all the way down to Florida, over to Texas 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.879 up through Colorado. So I've done like these huge vs. 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.040 So it's not been from point A to point B. 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:41.320 It's been everywhere in between, doing shooting competitions in the 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.399 introim and it's been an interesting life. Living on the 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.480 road is a full thing in itself, and living on 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.080 the road swung back home during the five months. I 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:54.639 flew back home because yeah, yeah, yeah, I was not 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:58.160 going to drive from California to New Hampshire. And then 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:00.199 I just flew back. Most of the country is not 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.600 close in New Hampshire, see, and I think I think 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:09.080 that it is. It feels centrally located. Well, I mean, 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.520 I think they put Strategic Air Command in Missouri, you 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.960 think so, thinking it was close to everything. Yeah, well, 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:17.840 it's just one of those things where there's so many 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.320 states in New England, we always feel like we are 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.240 a part of just because numerically there's a lot of states. 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.880 Because numerically there is a lot of people. I mean, 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:29.000 and there is a lot of people for sure, and 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:33.960 because you have those major cities like Boston, uh, New York, Philadelphia, 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:38.000 that's all in that area. You do sometimes, you know. 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:40.520 But anyway, so coming out to Montana for anything, I 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:42.800 definitely feel like I'm outain the middle of nowhere here, 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:49.040 but I like it for that. Yes, yeah, okay, So now, 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:51.280 because you did that, explain three guns and now we'll 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.040 go way back in time, way back in time, Taylor, 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:57.800 in the past. Three guns. Um So, I started competing 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:00.679 three gun in my first competition was in two thousand 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.159 and sixteen. But I don't count that. Explain it like 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:06.440 I'm five years old. I would say it the same 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:12.440 way I talked very maturely to five year old Is it? Yeah? 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:14.639 What is it? Someone's like, I've never heard of this 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.359 thing until today. I didn't know what the hell I mean, 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:22.400 I knew just I was confused between Cowboy action pistol shots. Right. 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.600 You were asking all these questions about sass, and it's 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:33.040 like they called sas s s so it's couldn't find 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:36.200 a way to throw a y on the end. Youth 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:38.679 like the youth league is sassy. You should ask them. 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:40.199 I bet they would be up for it, because there 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.400 are some pretty sassy people that shoot. When I heard when, 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:47.679 when I used to think I had three gun and 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:53.360 Cowboy action shooting mixed up? Did this like rock your world? Then? When? 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:56.119 Because I hadn't figured out before today. But I mean, 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.160 had you talked to me a year ago, I would 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:01.040 have been I was a tad confused. Okay, yeah, because 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:05.080 Cowboy action shooting. So these are basically all the sports 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:07.840 that we're talking about right now is action shooting sports. 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:11.320 So there's all sorts of different disciplines within competition shooting. 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:14.640 Bulls eye shooting is that you know when you see 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.560 the guys standing sideways with one hand and his pistol 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:20.240 and he's taking a sweet time to get this super 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:23.800 super tight group with his Normally it's like a twenty 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:25.960 two or something like that. Right, So you have those 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:29.399 kind of competitions you have Sometimes people ask me if 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:32.080 three guns like buy athletes where you ski and then 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:35.040 you shoot the twenty two rifles. I guess that might 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:37.240 be moving a little bit better and closer to the 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:40.000 right direction because you're moving, But it is also again 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:43.800 very different. Um and so with action shooting, you are 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:46.240 basically running with guns, and it's all time and accuracy. 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:49.960 So it's how fast can you shoot these target? It 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:52.600 is it's legit running with guns. How fast can you 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:55.080 be and how accurate can you be while you are 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:58.520 moving quickly? Which makes it a lot of fun. And 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:02.119 why it's like, you know, even though we gotta keep it, 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:04.720 we still haven't explained three guns. But that's my fault. Now, 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:08.800 you don't like skeet shooters are not your kin folk. 0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:12.440 They are not. But I did spend my first three 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:16.359 years of competition shooting in sporting plays. Yes, okay, so 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:21.360 we'll hit that when we back. I maybe I don't 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:23.440 think I knew that now you did not fun fact 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:27.920 Why is it even called three guns because there's three guns. Yeah, 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:32.320 three times the amount of fun. It's awesome. So pistol, shotgun, rifle, 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:35.920 and you transition between all those firearms under a course 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:39.600 of fire, which is basically that obstacle course that we 0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:43.240 had set up today where you shoot all these different targets. 0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:46.000 And what's interesting, and we didn't even talk about this today, 0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:50.359 is how flexible these competitions could be and how the 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:53.359 stages can change. So what I mean by that is 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:55.480 you could have a three gun competition where you only 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:57.560 shoot one gun in a stage, but the next one 0:23:57.600 --> 0:23:59.200 you might shoot two, and then one after that you 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:01.920 might shoot three. So there's an in the stage is 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:06.760 like holes of a golf course. Um, I mean maybe 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.320 I'm not as familiar with golf. Well, it would be like, um, 0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:13.960 like in a tournament. Okay, good, well know, like in 0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:16.520 a tournament like we did at one stage today, correct, 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:20.280 it's correct? Okay, So we did one So we did 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:22.919 one stage day in which you shot rifle. We shot 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:27.240 rifle at one to four or five targets, shot a 0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:30.960 shotgun at a half dozen targets, shot a pistol. Maybe 0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:36.760 how Ballpark nine targets in that order. So that was 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:39.960 a stage. But in a tournament, all of sudden you 0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:43.399 moved to a new it. Yes, but how many stages 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:45.960 might there be in a tournament. It depends on the 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:48.919 level that the competition is at. So your average local 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:51.800 match that's what we call them as match, um, will 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:55.760 be you know, maybe anywhere from like five to seven 0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:58.399 depending on the side to it. We did today seven 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:05.720 different setups. You just rotate. Travis was another fellow that 0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:08.040 I'm guessing you know, well, you guys seem like you 0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:12.000 guys were buddies, but um, he also shoots competitively correct 0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:15.280 maybe as a pro even so, for those of y'all 0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:18.480 who are listening, we're talking about Travis Gibson of MGM Targets, 0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:23.280 Okay and easy, a pro three gunner, Yeah, okay, still now, well, 0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:26.479 he's definitely an industry yeah, very well known. And he 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:28.240 was saying that he had one recently where he shot 0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:33.399 sixteen stages. Is former military? Is it bad that I 0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:36.040 don't know, I don't know, I don't know's I don't know. 0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:40.280 I'm not sure, but I would I would hate to 0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:43.000 say if if he did have a stint. And but 0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:45.199 that's not how we got into all of this. There 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:47.000 was there was nothing. I know that for a fact, 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:49.600 Seth Bergsy was there and he was former military, right, 0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:52.000 but that's yeah, but that's different. So but there's not 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:55.880 always that that military crossover, um. But just to step backwards. 0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:58.560 So it depends on the size the level. We call 0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:03.080 them different levels of three gun competitions. So your normal 0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:06.840 local match will have again five to seven, you know, 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:10.560 maybe eight if some match directors like super ambitious, and 0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:13.800 then from there you have sort of your you know, 0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:16.560 maybe regional matches if you will, and those will have 0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:19.960 anywhere from maybe like seven to ten to twelve. And 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:23.600 then your national level competitions will typically have at least 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:27.880 twelve plus um, your your average national will be right 0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:31.639 around those early to mid team mark. Uh, you know 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.320 what we ought to do real quick, explain the explain 0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:37.680 the guns you're shooting. You're shooting a a r platform 0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:40.480 rifle like walk through all the and then the shotguns 0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:45.160 like northing I've ever seen and compared to I mean, 0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:46.560 it's the same thing I've ever seen, but I mean 0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:52.000 it's like accessorized the guns. So competition shooters, we have 0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:55.360 a lot of fun with our gearsh you have your handgun. 0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:58.640 And so keep in mind too that I could spend 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:00.880 an incredible amount of time to ribing this because there's 0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:03.320 so many different divisions. So you have open division, a 0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:06.359 limited division, and heavy metal. I'm not even going to 0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:11.200 dig into it because yeah, you have to explain that 0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:14.440 so that you remember you when you asked earlier today, 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:17.359 you said, does anyone shoot anything other than nine? Like 0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.680 do they go for the bigger calibers? That's heavy metal. 0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.480 So those guys are shooting like a forty or forty five. 0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:25.440 They have a twelve gage shotgun. Um, and then with 0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:28.520 the rifle, they're using a larger caliber rifle, so they're 0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:31.320 not using six. Those guys will come out with a 0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:33.960 three o eight. Some of them have like M one grand. 0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:37.480 It's like, it's really cool, but it's a niche thing. 0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:40.480 Those guys are like in their own because because you 0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:49.240 guys are totally mainstream. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. Do 0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:53.920 you have any idea how many competitive three gun shooters 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:58.280 are there in the country. So it's hard to say numbers, 0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:01.159 but when you guestimate. So when when I've talked with 0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:04.080 people about marketing in the past, what we have said 0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:06.400 is that like, let's say you have a social media 0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:09.679 account or you know, whatever it is. If you gather 0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:13.320 ten thousand, you probably have most of the market, right, 0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:15.560 So that is the number that I could come to 0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:20.720 the table review. It is yes and no. So it's 0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:24.880 the pre COVID yes right now? Oh yeah, everything. Yeah. 0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:28.280 So it's it's a really weird time because fire ownership 0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:34.720 is obviously rising exponentially. Um, but competition shooting isn't everybody 0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:37.320 traveling somewhere and getting together and having a hole down 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:41.120 is well no, So the problem is that most of 0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:43.280 the competitions have been canceled. Right. So I was supposed 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:45.440 to have hit the road back in March, but then 0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:48.560 nationals got canceled or postponed, I should say, um, and 0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:50.920 then another area match got postponed. So all these things 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.640 have been either postponed or canceled, right. Um, so that 0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:56.480 was a big issue. So how are you supposed to 0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:59.160 get more people involved if we are postponing or canceling 0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:02.000 all the competition? But when and I someone to get 0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:03.840 back to the walk through the guns? But real quick, 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:11.160 when did someone first utter the words three gun tournament? 0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:15.960 It wasn't ten was it ten years ago? Oh no 0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:25.960 longer than that twenty Um, I would say three gun tournament. Yeah, match, 0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:27.640 like you could have gone to a three gun match 0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:31.680 a decade ago. Oh absolutely, Yeah. So the the O 0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:34.400 G guys, I mean they come back from you know, 0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.240 early two thousand's and it all started. Um it was 0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:40.520 like a law enforcement match basically where they ended up 0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:44.560 inviting um, you know, people who were non l e 0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:47.320 O and then you young whipper snappers started beating them 0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:50.400 at their own game. It just evolved. Yeah, it evolved. 0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:53.440 So it's it's been around for a while. Um, but 0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:57.120 maybe because of sources like YouTube, I think is probably 0:29:57.200 --> 0:30:01.400 why it's gained perhaps more public light, because it's getting 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:03.880 more exposure where before we were just kind of doing 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.920 our own thing and then maybe knew about it. Does 0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:09.640 that make sense? Yeah, okay, do the guns, but do 0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:15.080 it like if you imagine one being on a sliding scale. 0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:21.320 A one treatment would be rifle, pistol, shotgun. A ten 0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:27.560 treatment would be like, um, this trigger tuned this way, okay, 0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:32.040 this upper, this lower Sarah coated like that's one in ten. 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:40.560 Hit me with like a five okay five. The guns, Yeah, 0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:43.479 so I'll try not to dub it down to like 0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:47.120 a three or four, but you have your handgun right. Again, 0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:49.920 it depends on your division as to what handgun you 0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:52.560 are going to shoot, but typically we're looking at nine 0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:56.320 millimeter when it comes to three gun in particular. Um, 0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:58.800 there's other disciplines out there where it can make a difference, 0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:00.440 but we're going to leave that out of picture. And 0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:02.160 I'm just saying that more for the listeners who are like, 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:04.880 what about major power factor? We're just talking about three 0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:09.160 gun right now? So that yeah, that listener, right, So 0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:11.200 we're just talking about three guns. So it's going to 0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:15.080 be nine millimeter semi automatic. Uh So today we were 0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:17.920 shooting SIGs the X five legions. Is that where you 0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:21.040 normally shoot? That's my gun, That's what I have. Yeah, 0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:23.040 so that's what a lot of people are going to 0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:26.120 be shooting as a striker fire firearm like that. Uh 0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:28.040 and then you have a lot of really great limited 0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:30.760 or open guns that you could introduce as well. So 0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:32.840 all that is doing just so y'aller no, or those 0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:35.320 are custom built firearms that are made out of their 0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:38.240 their all metal, right, all metal, like think of a 0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:43.400 nineteen eleven. Are you familiar with the eleven? No, ninety. 0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:46.560 Imagine everything you love about a nineteen eleven and then 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:49.720 you add twice the m oh oh oh yeah, because 0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:52.120 they're because they're because they're staggered in the magazine or 0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:54.600 what cor Right, So it's a double stacked like a glock. 0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:57.160 Pistols staggered magazine. Right, that's why they're still like burly 0:31:57.200 --> 0:31:59.520 in the hand group. But it's um But a glock 0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:01.840 is a strike a fire. It's polymer gun, where a 0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:04.360 nineteen eleven it's nice and it's it's heavy, and it 0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:07.080 fits great and they shoot nice and flat. Right. Uh. 0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:10.719 Son are typically custom built. I mean you have some 0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:13.240 that are factory built as well, but in some form 0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:15.600 or fashion there's some sort of hand fitting going on. 0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:18.760 So they tend to be pretty expensive than open guns. 0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:21.080 Uh So at the end of the a R you 0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:23.640 know how there is a you know, uh, there's a 0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:26.680 compensator at the end. Basically there's this muzzle break. So 0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:28.760 you put that on a pistol. And when you put 0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:31.000 that on pistol along with some other things, and again 0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:34.600 I'm really dumbing it down. Oh no, no, no, no, 0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:36.800 you would have known. So again for those listeners that 0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:39.320 are going in, I'm I'm dubbing this down to probably 0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:41.600 a three right now, right, Okay, I'm not going to 0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:44.080 get an open guns and its entirety because you can 0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:50.360 see my enthusiasm. But oh, I want to go eleven. 0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:53.400 But you put a compensator at the end of those pistols, 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:56.560 that's an open gun. Uh, that is going to keep 0:32:56.600 --> 0:33:00.720 you shooting. Just flat flat fluff flaff flaights awesome. So 0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:03.040 there's different divisions, but they're mostly all going to be 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:07.000 chambered in nine and you shoot, so you should open 0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:10.000 site too, but you do use a red dot. Okay, 0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:12.760 So just so people don't get confused, open guns typically 0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:16.320 have optics on the handgun. What what Steve meant what 0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:19.400 open site is iron sight? So I was shooting an 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:24.040 iron sight fire. I do both. So I had the 0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:27.280 week before Nationals. Both my primary and my backup red 0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:29.959 dot went down in the same week before Nationals, so 0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:32.200 I went back to irons and I just haven't gotten 0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:36.040 the gumption to buy two more. And because I live 0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:38.800 on the road, right, the warrant he thing, it doesn't 0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:41.880 really matter because shipping is a nightmare. So yeah, they 0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:44.880 warrant heated. So I have one sitting in New Hampshire, 0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:48.600 somewhere where you're going. Yeah, I mean I don't know 0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:50.920 where I'm going to be too. Are you? Are you 0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:52.720 breaking all those I had a red dot my kid 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:56.520 broken like five minutes. What because like, like, here's a 0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:59.760 glass thing to put on the end of a gun 0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:01.720 like thing. He's going to do with it? That's no excuse. 0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:05.239 He instantly broke it, broke it in two ways, like, 0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:10.200 broke it twice. That completely unrelated breaks. Wow, because I 0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:13.560 mean you stripped the head on, stripped some of the hardware. 0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:17.239 He's an animal, well, and then broke the glass. You 0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:20.359 should have him to You aren't act like he didn't 0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:24.320 know what happened. Wow, that's impressive. Well, I am really 0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:27.879 rough on on this stuff, and mine just broke sort 0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:30.239 of because I think that it's over time, right, so 0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:33.560 the electronic component was no longer functioning. So what happens. 0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:35.279 You would turn on and I would think it was on. 0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:39.200 I'd start to engage targets, and then um, the dot 0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:42.239 would just disappear, which is really inconvenient when you're in 0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:44.480 the middle of the stage. Yeah, and that happened at 0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:47.880 both kind of like iron sights. Just the reliability, Yeah, 0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:52.400 I know, sad um, ask some more pills you got, 0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:57.120 Yani Yani? He kind of he might have question. No, No, 0:34:57.239 --> 0:34:58.759 I think we're pretty I was just gonna say, we 0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:02.719 can move on to the shotgun. Yeah, going in backwards order. 0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:05.399 I guess it doesn't matter. It could be whatever you want. Yeah, 0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:08.520 you taught us in backwards order. Why do you say 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:14.400 that because we started with yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I 0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:17.439 had my reasons for that. So what Steve was saying 0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:21.560 is that, you know, the stage we shot today was rifle, shotgun, 0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:24.040 then pistol. But that's not fixed either. It could be 0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:28.960 that was just today. But I taught them pistol, rifle, 0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:31.960 then shotguns. So that's why he's saying I taught backwards 0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:35.200 But anyways, that's a different conversation. I had reasons for 0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:38.239 why I did that. So Danny's new nickname is Teacup Ticcop. 0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:41.799 By the way, I love that. I think it fits 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:44.080 you very well. Well. I told him earlier that it 0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:47.360 was going to really suck to get whooped and burned 0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:54.840 by Teacup. I guess what happened? How does that feel? 0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:59.120 What was my stage name? Oh wait wait wait facebox 0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:04.719 facebox spots. Yeah, I poured dribbled t all over your 0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:08.200 face box. I am so sorry. This has just brought 0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:12.439 up a lot of really weird I will stick away 0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:15.480 from that. So the shotgun, that is, people ask me 0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:17.640 all the time, what's your favorite gun? And I hate 0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:20.440 answering that. Didn't you say that earlier? Someone asked you, like, 0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:24.240 what's your Because it depends on the application, right, So 0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:27.200 it's all depended upon the situation as to what my 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:29.440 quote unquote favor gun. But I will say, if I'm 0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:33.200 having a bad day, the shotgun will always make me happy. 0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:37.680 There's just something so fun about that scattered gun. And 0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:40.879 the other thing is I do think it's really versatile. Right. 0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:44.799 So the shotgun, Um, you could do a close quarter 0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:47.320 stuff with it, right, Um, you could do home defense, 0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:50.360 you could go hunting with it. You have a bird shot, 0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:53.640 you have slugs, you have you know, buckshot, and then 0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:56.839 you could choke it too different patterns. So there is 0:36:57.080 --> 0:37:01.160 a lot of versatility with that fire. But the shotguns 0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:04.000 that we use for a three gun are semi automatic. 0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:06.240 There's some heavy metal guys that like to torture themselves 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:09.360 with pump but that's very very rare in this competition. 0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:13.200 Most everyone's going to be semi automatic fire UM for 0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:16.479 the shotgun and real quick on that on the heavy 0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:20.640 metal guys UM, so a pump a guy could theoretically 0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:23.719 be competing. I should point out to people that they're 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:26.840 competing for time, like you have to hit the targets, 0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:30.360 but it's like doing it all really quickly. So a 0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:34.560 person would go toe to toe with a slide action 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:36.560 shotgun need to go toe to toe with someone shooting 0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:39.919 a semiauto and still have a prayer to win if 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:43.040 they're good enough. There's very very few people that are 0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:45.160 good enough to do that, but there are one or 0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:47.520 two out there who who do. And you have to 0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:49.520 have the shotgun for it, right because as y'all know, 0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:52.560 there's some pump action shotguns that are just smooth as butter. 0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:54.480 It's like it practically does it for you. And then 0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:58.880 there's others that like forget about it, like that's not happening. 0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:02.680 So somebody automatic and then twelve gauge UM. Technically per 0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:06.080 the rules, some like twenty gauge would be acceptable, but 0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:09.080 no one does that. You're just giving yourself less bbs 0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:12.880 to have on target. And in my personal experience, a 0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:16.160 twelve and twenty gauge when you're shooting. Semi automatic shotguns 0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:19.160 have about the same amount of recoil um. So I 0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:35.359 don't see the benefit with an extended tube that extends 0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:38.439 out the end so far that I thought that your 0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:42.719 shotgun was going to hit the tube. Yeah right, the 0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:45.040 gun was going to actually blow the end of the magazine. 0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:48.440 It does, not sticking out way past the barrel. It 0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:54.960 is so these shotguns look, they look really crazy. It's all. 0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:57.440 It's all too It's all. The tube is what you're seeing. 0:38:57.440 --> 0:38:59.600 So the barrel is a normal link barrel of anything. 0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:01.680 It might be slightly shorter than what you would use 0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:05.000 really sporting plays or whatever, but the tube is is yeah, 0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:11.800 it's on yours. Yeah yeah, yeah, is like way too 0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:13.839 long for this game. There's no use for it because 0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:16.839 most everything that we do is pretty close with the shotgun. Right. 0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:20.200 You might get some aerial clay presentations, but it's so 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:23.320 far in between. You're not wanting to because a maneuverability 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:26.399 factor because that the actube is already so long. I mean, 0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:28.239 you don't want to add to weight because weight is 0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:31.920 a big factor. You get you're so fatigued. I mean, Karen, 0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:35.120 you know because my shoulders or yeah, oh is your 0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:38.360 shoulder bruised up from shooting today? No, I don't think. So. 0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:43.520 It was just when I was, uh that that gun 0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:48.040 just kept kind of yeah yeah, just like stopping and 0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:49.719 you know, and then I was like, I just took 0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:52.279 breaks in the middle because my shoulders just posturing and 0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:55.200 holding it a little tired, and just they got they 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:58.880 got Bernie. Yeah waits waight. It's huge. So I just 0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:01.279 had a whole chain of thoughts go through my head. 0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:03.920 That was probably an eleven in terms of like, oh, 0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:06.040 all the fun accessories I have on my shotguns. So 0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:07.680 I'm going to rill it in a five. So I'm 0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:09.920 gonna drop it right there. So what I shoot just 0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:12.200 that people are curious as a bread to be twelve eye, 0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:16.080 which is basically the same as a Vanilli in two right, 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:18.399 which is very comparable to what you were shooting today 0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:21.720 with weather be very similar platform, but with the aftermarket 0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:25.719 like specialized everything. Yeah yeah, so strip it down and 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:27.839 put all new parts on a lot of it. Yeah, 0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:32.200 So uh I Dissident Arms is very very common aftermarket 0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:36.160 company in the competition world. So that crazy handguard, that 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:39.320 the trigger guard, the trigger you know, everything, and then Briley, 0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:42.440 which you'll probably know just from regular shotgun shooting. Uh, 0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:44.680 there's a lot of those parts into it. So it's 0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:48.080 pretty it's pretty juiced up. It's pretty fun. Yeah. Yeah, 0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:51.640 so you spent a lot of time ranching on your gun. Yeah, yeah, 0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:54.520 it's fun. That's uh, that's what we do. And are 0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:57.880 there rules and rigs about what you can do to 0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:01.440 your firearms? Uh? I mean I would imagine, because then 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:05.439 people might have unfair advantages. But you know, is it 0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:09.120 is it very structured? Is it very kind of boundaried 0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:11.200 around what you can and can't do? Or people can 0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:15.560 get really creative and so yes, So no, again, it's 0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:18.440 it's hard not to spend and I don't want to, 0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:20.680 you know, spend the entire time because I could talk 0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:23.280 like for probably an hour talking about the different divisions 0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:26.280 and what's acceptable within those divisions. But in a nutshell 0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:29.239 open which we talked about before, that has a compensator, 0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:32.280 that has the optic, you could pretty much do whatever 0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:35.520 you want. Hence open, it's open to possibilities. You can 0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.399 do whatever you want, um as long as it's safe. Right. 0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:43.160 So some people will get really really into their trigger 0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:45.440 work and they'll make it too light, and so now 0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:47.600 the gun is unsafe because they breathe on it and 0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:51.239 the trigger is going on. That's a problem. Whatever the hell. 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:54.640 It's not a league where there is some governing body 0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:58.840 that yeah yeah, yeah, uh and the same. So it 0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:02.200 just goes upon the vision that you're in is dependent. 0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:05.520 So as shotgun, mag fed shotguns are huge now, I 0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:08.279 would say about three or four years ago, it's a mafed. 0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:10.879 So you know how that the pistol in the rifle, 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:16.560 those with magazines, it's the lingo. But that's the thing 0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:19.719 is again, I am used to talking to people who 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:22.839 this is also their world. So I love questions like 0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:28.359 that because I forget about how much is our lingo. Plus, 0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:32.200 there's no like, there's no mag fed shotguns, I should say, 0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:36.200 in like in the mainstream in the in the hunting world, 0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:39.239 because I mean, like unless you go back to you 0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:42.279 like they used to be mag fed bold action shotguns. 0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:44.640 We had a couple that I was laying around, but 0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:48.440 just so like just rare. Right. Well, so two or 0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:50.360 three years ago someone came up to a competition with 0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:53.719 a mag fed shotgun. Everyone would sort of brush it 0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:55.200 off because we're like they're going to have so many 0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:58.400 malfunctions anyways, they're not going to be competitive. Where now 0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:03.399 people show up with mag fe chocun. It's gain popularity incredibly. Uh, 0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:06.800 it's serious business. As someone who's shooting a tube fat chocun. 0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:08.879 We can't really compete with that. So again that's why 0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:11.320 we had different divisions. Right, I want to explain. I 0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:13.799 want to explain quad loading real quickly. Oh my god, 0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:20.440 your face. So Taylor has like highly accessorized like a 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:25.200 belt that holds all the magazines. It's like a tool belt, 0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:28.200 very sophisticated tool belt, and on it was the thing 0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:32.160 that holds Tommy holds shoun eight choculn shells. So y'all's 0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:35.440 had eight, um mine, I have to. I have one 0:43:35.440 --> 0:43:38.359 for eight, one for twelve, okay, And it stacks them 0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:41.440 so that you can just reach down blind. I don't 0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:43.879 try to get too much detail. You can reach down 0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:49.560 blind and pull away four shotgun shells stacked like a 0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:52.839 stack of two and a stack of two and and 0:43:52.840 --> 0:43:55.600 and the stack is end to end, end to end stacked, 0:43:55.640 --> 0:44:00.560 so you're holding your your hand is gripped around four 0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:08.479 shotgun shells stacked end to end. Then she like, in 0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:12.680 a sort of moment of magic, turns the shotgun upside 0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:16.200 down so the so the feeding apparatus is facing up, 0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:20.200 and then loads with one press of the thumb. This 0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:23.360 is free hand shotgun shells. Loads with one press of 0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:27.520 the thumb two into the tube and then two into 0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:32.000 the tube. But in like like a couple of seconds. 0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:33.960 I don't know, what the hell, it's less than that. 0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:38.759 It's like, I don't know, it'sensive. It's like, yeah, we're 0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:41.400 talking about in tents earlier, because in competition shooting we 0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:44.359 talk in tents a lot. And they're like, what you're 0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:46.960 You're down to that level. And I'm like, oh yeah, okay, 0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:49.240 all right, let's really it back up. The second quad 0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:53.360 loading is really something picture the world duck hunting, where 0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:57.120 it'd just be two that you'd have one of those 0:44:57.160 --> 0:45:00.360 things to your the shoulder strap on your way do 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:04.400 it and just yeah, instead of like digging around your 0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:06.480 pockets and ship looking for him, you just be like wha. 0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:09.440 It's so much more efficient. And that's what's funny. It's 0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:13.680 coming in today, so normally people the and again that's 0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:16.200 where I could talk about this stuff forever. The evolution 0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:19.000 of loading a shotgund because used to, people would feed 0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:21.120 them in with their thumb one by one, which is 0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:23.080 maybe even how y'all do it right now? I don't, 0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:29.920 I don't know, um and yeah, forget that stuff. And 0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:34.280 then dual loading. So used to because I could dual load, 0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:38.359 uh like eight rounds and about I would say, you know, 0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:41.759 four to five seconds something like that, right, which is 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:45.160 very respectable, And in my opinion, because I have really 0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:48.000 small hands, I was like, if I could consistently dual load, 0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:51.680 then what's the what is it worth to start quad loading? 0:45:51.920 --> 0:45:54.520 Because it could go wrong real side, you know, sideways, 0:45:54.560 --> 0:46:00.440 real quick. Um oh yeah, yeah yeah um. If you 0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:02.960 become proficient qualding, then you're that much more competitive. So 0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:04.879 coming in today, I'm like, am I going to make 0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:08.400 these guys quad load? And then I'm like, hell, yeah, no, no, 0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:10.560 it was good to know. Yeah, you guys have got 0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:12.880 to quad load. There's no excuse. I'm not going to 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:15.000 start you off at these baby steps. We're just going 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:18.279 for it. And I'm so happy because they'll look on 0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:21.280 your face. You're like I could just see you being 0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:23.960 somewhere hunting and you're like, I need to you know, 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.120 you know, where that will come in handyes on like 0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:30.600 a no plug snow goose hunt or even just like 0:46:30.880 --> 0:46:33.480 just do not. You can't quad load with for ducks 0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.160 because it's the three shell maximum, but you can still 0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:39.080 dual load, not for sure. Oh yeah, I mean if 0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:42.359 you imagine just that whole. Sorry to interrupt, but just 0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:46.480 like the different um the way you flip your gun 0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:49.320 up and then how you put your thumb and orient 0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:51.600 your thumb and the way you push it in there, 0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:55.040 you're a lot less apt to get like the messed 0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:57.960 up thumb from jamming it in too far, like everybody 0:46:58.000 --> 0:46:59.880 gets at some point, you know, your thumbs are cold 0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:02.120 there in the duck blind and this is just like 0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:06.400 a much more efficient way to get that business done with. Okay, 0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:09.120 hit us with the rifle. Now, okay, the rifle. So 0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:13.000 the rifle is almost always going to be a our platform, 0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:17.319 rifle chambered in six no way to hold your own 0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:20.640 with any other thing. Oh I mean, people do it again, 0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:23.520 like you know mentioned earlier, People come out with you know, 0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:27.759 fun like end fields or in one grands or whatever. 0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:30.600 They're having fun. But that's the most competitive platform. That's 0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:32.840 what most everyone's going to do. Regardless of you're in 0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:37.200 a limited, an open class, or tactical class. Most everyone 0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:40.759 is shooting uh an a r that's chambered into six. 0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:44.280 That's really it. The the other people who are shooting 0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:47.480 different you know rifles that those are the outliers. Those 0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:49.919 those are typically your heavy metal guys that are just like, 0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:52.279 we're here to have fun. I got my grandpa's gun 0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:55.880 and we're you know the bayonet. Remember you nearly honest 0:47:55.920 --> 0:48:00.239 nearly stabbed target. It was impressive. Uh yeah, So they'll 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:03.719 put their bandets on and have fun. And is it 0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:07.200 always is it? It's not always scoped right Like you 0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:09.160 can use a red dot too correct. So if you're 0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:13.240 shooting limited, you have a that is an unscoped rightful 0:48:13.840 --> 0:48:17.000 uh unlimited, so you have iron sights. And then so 0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:18.480 I used to shoot limited, I did it with a 0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:20.919 red dot, which is unmagnified. So I've literally just got 0:48:20.920 --> 0:48:22.600 that one little dot. So they'll let you use a 0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:26.560 red dot and limited correct and then there's no magnification. 0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:29.359 There's no magnification, it's just a dot um. And then 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:31.160 when you go up to tactical, which is what we 0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:34.440 were doing them, that's when you introduce magnification. So today 0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:39.120 I think, so Vortex we had this strike Eagle, which 0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:41.439 is I shouldn't know because I had one years ago. 0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:43.879 But it's like a one to six, I think, um, 0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:46.120 and then all the way up to the new Vortex raser, 0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:48.120 which is a one to ten and that's a that's 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:50.600 a beautiful scope and on that. You know, I don't 0:48:50.600 --> 0:48:53.200 know if this is something I think people that hunt 0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:58.480 will appreciate, is you guys have a little contraption for 0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:03.760 dialing magnification. Like normally when you dial magnification on the scope, 0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:07.439 that accessory piece that the cattail, Yeah, you gotta grab 0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:10.160 it like you're trying to kill a chicken when normally 0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:13.400 when you go to dial when you go to dial magnification. 0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:16.480 But you guys hooked that little lever on there, yeah, 0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:20.640 which just lets you like like a major mechanical advantage 0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:22.799 these things that walk I don't know if you noticed 0:49:22.840 --> 0:49:24.640 he walked away with one of those Oh you did 0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:33.600 this slow nod. I'm sick of trying to kill chickens 0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:35.919 when I want to dial up. Yeah. No, it makes 0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:40.360 dialing up like it really gives you like a strong lever. Yeah, absolutely, 0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:42.840 you can't know why would you not? I mean, but 0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:45.359 that's the thing is that we had to get into 0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:47.680 our gear. That's why earlier I was so enthusiastic about 0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:51.560 talking about all this stuff because we are a how 0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:54.759 do you say, um? Like Yankee ingenuity. If you would 0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:56.799 think of it, you can kind of figure it out. Yeah, 0:49:56.800 --> 0:49:59.719 and the quick dial what's the name brand on that 0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:05.440 quick down view change view was? It had mine with 0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:08.160 me either way? Cat tail right, it looks like a 0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:10.640 cat's tail hanging off there. The reason that comes in 0:50:10.719 --> 0:50:12.200 handy is the first thing you gotta do when they 0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:15.920 say go, you gotta shoot three targets at a hundred yards. 0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:20.200 They're like eight inch plates. It didn't steal. And then 0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:22.280 you got also shoot a bunch of ship's super close. 0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:28.440 So you might dial up to make the yard shot good, 0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:30.080 but then you got to really quickly be ready for 0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:32.719 like short shots. And so that saves you a lot 0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:35.879 of fiddle farting around having that cat tail. It does, 0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:38.680 but I imagine even for the hunting world, there could 0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:42.719 be great application for having to do. But then it's 0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:45.440 just like stuff to catch on stuff. And that's true. 0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:47.919 But the ones that you have that that top half 0:50:48.000 --> 0:50:50.320 the part that you grewp on two folds down. M 0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:54.480 he didn't, like I said, he walked away with one. 0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:57.400 But it is. It is interesting. There is a lot 0:50:57.440 --> 0:50:59.560 of I think, things that could potentially go from the 0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:02.040 competition and shooting world into the hunting world. Yeah. Oh 0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:03.600 I was paying attention to that. I was like, I 0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:07.239 was for technological you're taking notes. I think, just like 0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:11.040 some of the mind frame stuff, you know, just like 0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:13.160 staying calm under pressure. All that kind of stuff is 0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:17.200 nople But you didn't. You didn't grow up shooting guns. No, No, 0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:20.600 like almost the opposite, right in a way. I mean 0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:23.400 because I grew up in Houston. It's a huge city. 0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:26.799 And even though it's in Texas, like it's not not 0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:29.640 everyone in Texas has like a gun person. Your parents 0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:32.120 like gunfriendly people. Oh, they were fine with it. I 0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:35.200 mean if you live in Texas, even if you are 0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:37.400 in Austin, which is the most liberal city in Texas, 0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:41.080 there's an assumption that firearms are still okay. Um, like 0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:43.759 we're in New England. If you go to some of 0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:47.399 the states there, like like especially Massachusetts, you start talking 0:51:47.400 --> 0:51:50.040 about guns like people will have you know, act like 0:51:50.080 --> 0:51:53.279 you have three heads. It's like a general kind of naughtiness. Yeah, 0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:56.080 you feel it's like a taboo, which is absolutely terrible. 0:51:56.760 --> 0:51:59.360 But I did not grow up with firearms. Um, like 0:51:59.400 --> 0:52:01.319 you grew up like no guns in the house, no 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:05.040 guns in the house at all. Yeah, and moving to 0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:08.680 New Hampshire that normal or not? Do more? I bet 0:52:08.840 --> 0:52:11.680 more American households don't than do. I grew up in 0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:15.799 New York City going to the house plenty I was. 0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:19.200 I did not say anything to anybody ever. Yeah. Yeah, 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:26.240 definitely taboo there hidden on my parents bed. No rights. 0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:29.239 Oh my god, I'll talk about that. Um. Were you 0:52:29.280 --> 0:52:31.799 asking if it's common for people not to grow up 0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:34.120 with firearms too? No, I was just wondering, like the 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:40.080 split took up, it's changing now new fire and purchases 0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:42.880 are people who didn't have guns before, so that it's 0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:46.120 definitely changing. Yeah yeah, so whatever that that number was, 0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:49.480 it's it's different now. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, my 0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:51.640 so my stupdad used to hunt when we moved to 0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:53.839 New Hampshire. It was because my you know, my mom 0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:56.840 and my stepdad got married. Um, but his version of 0:52:56.920 --> 0:52:59.560 hunting was like he would take his like muzzle loader 0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:01.320 and walk around in the woods it was like a stroll, 0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:03.359 like a leisurely stroll. He got a deal I think 0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:07.680 like fifteen plus years ago once, Um, I'm so sorry. 0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:12.399 That was his groove, like take a most sneak around 0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:14.960 in snowy woods. Yeah, but he never shared that. That 0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:18.400 was never a part of anything. No, no, I was 0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:21.320 never a part of any of them. Actively not invite 0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:23.280 you or just he would just disappear in the morning. 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:25.200 I mean he would wake up earlier and he was gone, 0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:27.000 and then he was catching a moment. He would show 0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:28.920 back up. Yeah, he was having his moment. So I 0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:31.400 mean whatever, and no hard feelings because I you know, 0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:33.120 I used to race motocross. I had like my own 0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:38.040 thing going on so well, so I actually you saw 0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:39.919 tally Am. I raised four wheelers. So if I raised 0:53:39.920 --> 0:53:41.560 a dirt bike, it would have been sandbagging on like 0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:43.040 a seventy c C with a whole bunch of twelve 0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:45.680 year olds. So with a four wheeler I could write 0:53:45.680 --> 0:53:49.160 a four fifty and be with you know, normal adulton 0:53:49.480 --> 0:53:53.439 aged people. You got into that in New Hampshire. Yeah, yeah, 0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:56.680 Well because behind our house, which is in Dumbarton, New Hampshire, 0:53:57.560 --> 0:53:59.880 it's all conservation land. It's called Clough State Park and 0:54:00.000 --> 0:54:04.040 Club State Park is a huge a TV trail system 0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:05.840 and so I got into it from there. So I 0:54:05.840 --> 0:54:09.120 would ride my quad right from uh right from my 0:54:09.160 --> 0:54:12.120 mom's house into the state park. So are you like 0:54:12.400 --> 0:54:15.520 when you were growing up so you did that competitively? Yeah? 0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:17.440 Are you sort of in your head like if you're 0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:20.520 gonna do something, it just turns into competition. Are you 0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:23.760 getting this sense? So when I used to do before 0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:28.520 leaving Houston, kickboxing was big. So I had actually like 0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:34.000 to have like a winner, you have to Yeah, well, 0:54:34.080 --> 0:54:38.520 so kickboxing I actually qualified for the Junior Olympics. Uh yeah, 0:54:38.560 --> 0:54:41.800 but we couldn't uh we couldn't afford it because the 0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:44.640 Olympic trials were I think in Michigan or something like that, 0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:46.520 and so I mean we couldn't afford to go. And 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:48.200 then my mom was like, and we're moving to New 0:54:48.200 --> 0:54:50.319 Hampshire and there's no good dojos up there. I mean, 0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:52.759 I'm sure that there. Maybe it was, but not to 0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:55.120 the caliber that I was used to before we had 0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:56.239 a We had a guy we worked with for a 0:54:56.280 --> 0:54:59.040 while and he was he was a skier and was 0:54:59.200 --> 0:55:02.000 wanting to be competit of and we're talking about Olympic 0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:04.759 skiing and all that, and he was saying something interesting 0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:10.319 that there's a point at which your ability to like 0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:12.719 as a young skier, there's a point at which your 0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:16.040 ability to be competitive is tied to the economics of 0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:21.120 your family. Because he's like, rich kids, they ski six 0:55:21.120 --> 0:55:23.160 months of the year in North America, and then they 0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:25.200 spend six months a year in New Zealand. And he's like, 0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:28.080 you're not going to catch those kids skiing six months 0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:31.239 a year. It's just it's just like there's a there's 0:55:31.280 --> 0:55:34.200 a major function of just like can you afford to 0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:37.319 be good? Which is kind of disheartening. It is, it 0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:40.719 is um but I think that if those those people 0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:43.000 who are naturally talented, even if they come from bad 0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:48.719 economic backgrounds, if they have the gumption to market themselves appropriately, 0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:57.000 they could yield that economic benefits. I'm so sorry, I 0:55:57.080 --> 0:55:59.040 just got an image of all these cowboy shooters and 0:55:59.120 --> 0:56:04.160 Steve just being I use sassy people. Uh but yeah, 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:06.520 I mean, and again I don't see. So this is 0:56:06.560 --> 0:56:08.080 what happens when you shoot three gear. You come home 0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:11.439 with a whole bunch of random ammo like in your pockets. 0:56:11.480 --> 0:56:16.000 That's why. Yeah, that's why you travel the country living 0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:20.160 in a camper. I don't deal with t s A. Well, 0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:21.880 I still deal with t s A because I do 0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:25.319 still fly. But so I'm actually I'm coming out with 0:56:25.320 --> 0:56:28.080 a piece. Um, I'm not sure when it's publishing about 0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:30.640 driving and traveling across country with fire and tell people 0:56:30.640 --> 0:56:33.000 where you right for so, I write for guns dot Com. 0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:35.480 I cover all their competition related content, and I do 0:56:35.760 --> 0:56:37.960 kind of other fun stuff as well, whether if it's 0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:42.040 reviewing firearms or talking about again when it's like traveling 0:56:42.239 --> 0:56:47.000 across country with firearms constructional how to Yeah, yeah, and 0:56:47.120 --> 0:56:49.680 it's not as bad as as people think. You just 0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:53.040 have to be smart, you know, block your guns um 0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:55.200 in a separate compartment, so if you're in a car, 0:56:55.239 --> 0:56:56.800 it's in your trunk. If you're in an SUV, just 0:56:56.880 --> 0:56:59.120 keep it out of reach, right, And then I have 0:56:59.160 --> 0:57:02.000 your AMMO in a separate compartment that's also locked. Don't 0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:05.400 have any magazines preloaded. Every state is different some states. 0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:07.240 All that stuff is fine, but you're given the recipe 0:57:07.280 --> 0:57:09.120 to how to be just cool going from state to 0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:11.480 state to state to go anywhere. Yeah, that's the recipe 0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:15.800 for for anywhere and other than that. Um, I always 0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:18.919 keep a copy of PAPA and uh the glob box 0:57:18.920 --> 0:57:22.400 of my car. So Farms Owners Protection Act. So that 0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:25.280 is the law, um that protects you from going from 0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:27.800 one state to the other. So if you are illegal, point, 0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:29.360 because you might be in a situation where you need 0:57:29.400 --> 0:57:31.640 to explain it to somebody. Well, so let's say we're 0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:36.280 leaving New Hampshire and I came down south. Um so 0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:42.240 New York, New Jersey, all Massachusetts, all those states. Everything 0:57:42.280 --> 0:57:44.800 I own is illegal in those states. But I'm protected 0:57:44.800 --> 0:57:47.560 by FOPA to drive through those states. And you could 0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:50.600 stop for gas and stuff like that, right, but you're 0:57:50.640 --> 0:57:52.240 you're good, You're good to go. I could drive through 0:57:52.240 --> 0:57:54.560 all of those states perfectly fine because of POPA. So 0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:58.080 I keep that documentation. UM, And I mean I love 0:57:58.120 --> 0:58:01.400 law enforcement, so won't say anything that's interesting about FOUS. 0:58:01.400 --> 0:58:04.600 So like I I don't know that I know, I 0:58:04.640 --> 0:58:07.360 know of the thing, but I never heard that acronym. 0:58:07.440 --> 0:58:12.240 But um, you can drive through. But I remember hearing 0:58:12.240 --> 0:58:18.439 that people get in trouble because you can, like somehow 0:58:19.440 --> 0:58:22.360 you could be It doesn't count if you go into 0:58:22.440 --> 0:58:24.280 New York and then fly out of a New York 0:58:24.320 --> 0:58:27.160 Airport because I was tiring these law enforcement guys are saying, 0:58:27.160 --> 0:58:30.240 they're always people are always getting in trouble coming down 0:58:30.240 --> 0:58:34.680 from Pennsylvania, coming down to places flying out of JFK Leguardia, 0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:38.800 and they can like travel through legally, but they go 0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:42.040 to like there, but now they're in there in the city, 0:58:42.920 --> 0:58:45.800 and so they're they're in what's like gathered up by 0:58:45.800 --> 0:58:48.240 the city of the port authority. So then there you 0:58:48.280 --> 0:58:51.680 are with a gun checking on an airplane and you 0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:55.120 don't have the necessary permit to have a gun in 0:58:55.200 --> 0:58:57.960 the city somehow in their view, And I don't know 0:58:58.000 --> 0:59:00.320 if this just it needs to be challenged. I noticed, 0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:01.840 like I know that it's an issue. I don't know 0:59:01.840 --> 0:59:06.440 if it's constitutional or legal, but in their view, you 0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:10.280 had stepped out of those protections at that moment that 0:59:10.320 --> 0:59:12.400 you went to check it onto a plane. Sure I 0:59:12.440 --> 0:59:14.640 would have to reasearch. I never under like, I never 0:59:14.680 --> 0:59:16.919 got into it enough to understand like how that's true. 0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:19.600 But it's like you could drive past the airport, but 0:59:19.640 --> 0:59:22.560 the minute you go to check that gun in that thing, 0:59:22.960 --> 0:59:26.720 it's like not your it's out of your car. To 0:59:27.000 --> 0:59:28.479 I don't know how they viewed it, but it would 0:59:28.480 --> 0:59:31.280 be that. But their thing was and it was always 0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:33.600 people being like but I thought like, no, dude, because 0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:35.960 you're standing here right now checking this gun in it's 0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:38.440 not the same thing as you traveling through with it 0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:42.439 in your car. I would still I would personally question that. Now, 0:59:42.840 --> 0:59:47.880 So FOLKA does specify interstate travel. It doesn't stay like 0:59:48.200 --> 0:59:51.880 like when I I'm sorry, maybe that's my accent. Interstate 0:59:52.600 --> 0:59:55.120 like as in the highway. It does specify that, so 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:57.160 maybe it does get different like you took it out, 0:59:57.200 --> 0:59:58.920 you got it out of your car and your you 0:59:58.960 --> 1:00:01.400 know whatever. Again, I I would question it. And there's 1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:03.160 so much more that we could dig into this. So, 1:00:03.200 --> 1:00:06.040 for instance, I flew out of California recently. Um So 1:00:06.160 --> 1:00:09.320 in California, most of my farms are illegal, right, but 1:00:09.600 --> 1:00:13.480 I'm there for competition reasons. So there is a actual 1:00:13.880 --> 1:00:16.320 um I forget what they call it, not not a law, 1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:19.520 but you know there's a provision that if you're there 1:00:19.520 --> 1:00:21.680 for competition reasons and you're good, and so I could 1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:28.080 fly competition in California. Yeah, I know. I was very skeptical, 1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:32.840 but a thousand percent. So so they have like again, 1:00:32.880 --> 1:00:34.880 you know, whether if it's considered a law or bill 1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:37.360 or whatever. We're if you're there for competition reasons, you 1:00:37.640 --> 1:00:40.840 could have those firearms that people generally have thought we're 1:00:40.840 --> 1:00:43.120 not legal in California. So I flew out of California 1:00:43.120 --> 1:00:45.680 recently with all my guns. But for anyone who's flying, 1:00:45.840 --> 1:00:48.360 I recommend you just to take everything apart because no 1:00:48.400 --> 1:00:51.640 one at the airline understands anything of what you're carrying 1:00:51.640 --> 1:00:54.400 on you. I mean they really they have no clue. 1:00:54.760 --> 1:00:57.959 So just take everything apart, make sure it's safe, and 1:00:58.120 --> 1:01:00.480 for the most part, you're not gonna get questions. I'll 1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:02.600 point out to people because I don't want this stuff 1:01:02.640 --> 1:01:05.680 to be I don't want this stuff to then discourage 1:01:05.720 --> 1:01:07.400 people from doing what they want to do. And like 1:01:07.480 --> 1:01:09.760 they're like get overwhelmed by the complexity law. There are 1:01:09.800 --> 1:01:13.640 a ton of resources online to hop you navigate, like 1:01:13.800 --> 1:01:15.479 to help you stand on the right side of the law. 1:01:16.280 --> 1:01:23.600 It's like it sounds like intimidating and complicated, but in practice, um, 1:01:23.640 --> 1:01:26.760 in practice, when you're generally going from somewhere to somewhere, 1:01:26.800 --> 1:01:30.240 like you're going to Canada or whatever, it seems intimidating, 1:01:30.240 --> 1:01:31.720 But when you go and do it, it winds up 1:01:31.720 --> 1:01:35.040 being fine. It's easy to find the resources you need. 1:01:35.640 --> 1:01:37.400 You know, it's not like people waiting at every corner 1:01:37.480 --> 1:01:39.920 and be like, got you, you know, you screwed this up. 1:01:39.960 --> 1:01:42.240 But just it does doesn't have that feel to it exactly. 1:01:42.280 --> 1:01:44.800 And of course, right there's a disclosure that it's up 1:01:44.840 --> 1:01:46.880 to people to do their own research to make sure 1:01:47.000 --> 1:01:49.120 that they are doing the legal thing right, don't use 1:01:49.160 --> 1:01:56.000 the podcast as your guidance for this is what I 1:01:56.040 --> 1:01:58.240 should do. So anyways, do your research. But at the 1:01:58.280 --> 1:02:01.000 end of the day, it's actually really easy. Um and 1:02:01.160 --> 1:02:03.880 for the most part, you know, law enforcement or anyone 1:02:03.920 --> 1:02:06.080 you might run into, to be honest, most of them 1:02:06.160 --> 1:02:08.040 have no idea what they're looking at. There. There's some 1:02:08.120 --> 1:02:10.200 out there who are super super educated, and a lot 1:02:10.280 --> 1:02:13.600 of them even compete, but for the most part, they 1:02:13.600 --> 1:02:15.320 don't know what they're looking at. And you're probably more 1:02:15.400 --> 1:02:17.360 educated about it than there. But that's that's like a 1:02:17.360 --> 1:02:18.919 funny little Yeah, I want to get back to bio, 1:02:19.040 --> 1:02:20.840 but like a funny little trade. You need to go 1:02:20.880 --> 1:02:24.480 throughout some airports as they want to inspect it. Oh 1:02:24.560 --> 1:02:27.640 and you open it up like they're not even pretending 1:02:27.680 --> 1:02:29.440 to know. But they're like they know that they're like 1:02:29.480 --> 1:02:31.919 the air the person checking you in knows that they're 1:02:31.920 --> 1:02:34.240 supposed to like inspect it, but they also know that 1:02:34.240 --> 1:02:35.720 they're not going to bullshit themselves, like they don't know 1:02:35.720 --> 1:02:37.920 if they're looking at so like you open it, they 1:02:37.960 --> 1:02:42.360 look down and like, sure you're closing back up because like, hell, 1:02:42.400 --> 1:02:44.520 I'm looking for They have no idea, and it's like 1:02:44.640 --> 1:02:46.720 because they want to feel like they're doing the right thing. 1:02:46.840 --> 1:02:49.640 I think I think that appears to be a gun 1:02:51.280 --> 1:02:54.000 up that they do. They just look at it and 1:02:54.040 --> 1:02:58.840 they're kind of like a dead snake. It's like no. 1:02:59.680 --> 1:03:03.640 And sometimes when they want you to show clear, it's like, okay, well, 1:03:03.680 --> 1:03:06.320 what position where do you want me to point this 1:03:06.480 --> 1:03:09.160 to show you that my fire is unloaded because you're 1:03:09.160 --> 1:03:13.560 in the middle of it. And but normally when you 1:03:14.000 --> 1:03:18.520 um normally when you do that, they're just kind of like, oh, um, no, no, 1:03:18.760 --> 1:03:21.400 it's fine. But I've known some competition shooters will they'll 1:03:21.400 --> 1:03:23.040 take their a R right out and remember that charging 1:03:23.080 --> 1:03:24.600 hill and they go just go whack a whack, a 1:03:24.640 --> 1:03:26.520 whack whack in the middle of the air plant, just 1:03:26.560 --> 1:03:29.160 be like, yeah, it's clear. Well, I think That's why 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:33.280 most people that do have to do that are very like, yeah, 1:03:33.360 --> 1:03:35.280 you open it, like hey, looks, looks get at me. 1:03:35.520 --> 1:03:36.920 Let's not get the gun out and play with it. 1:03:37.440 --> 1:03:39.560 Let's just put it back in the little box that 1:03:39.680 --> 1:03:44.280 kills me. Okay, So not many guns growing up. Then 1:03:44.320 --> 1:03:45.680 all of a sudden you're like, I only get me 1:03:45.720 --> 1:03:49.360 a gun. Well so almost. Yeah, So m I had 1:03:49.360 --> 1:03:51.880 gotten out of long term relationship my high school sweetheart. 1:03:52.400 --> 1:03:56.640 Uh three, um, I mean you just it's when you're 1:03:56.720 --> 1:04:00.400 dating someone from sixteen to your early twenties. Just agen 1:04:01.240 --> 1:04:03.560 you just met in high school. Well technically he was 1:04:03.600 --> 1:04:05.680 homeschooled and I wasn't, but I alwa say high school 1:04:05.680 --> 1:04:08.720 sweetheart because it's easier for people to Actually it was 1:04:08.760 --> 1:04:10.480 like at a party, you know. It was just like 1:04:10.560 --> 1:04:15.040 the party. A lot of people home school to kids. 1:04:15.040 --> 1:04:17.280 They don't wan him to party. It was a lot 1:04:17.280 --> 1:04:21.320 of people party home school. It's big part of homeschool 1:04:21.400 --> 1:04:23.440 not this is not universal. It's a big part of 1:04:23.440 --> 1:04:26.160 homeschooling is they don't want their kids to find out 1:04:26.160 --> 1:04:28.400 about They don't want to find out about dirty er. 1:04:29.400 --> 1:04:31.640 They don't want them to party, they don't want them 1:04:31.680 --> 1:04:34.200 to like know about certain things. It's kind of a 1:04:34.200 --> 1:04:35.720 way to be like, I want my kid to just 1:04:35.800 --> 1:04:38.160 know about what I tell them, Steve, what other socializing 1:04:38.160 --> 1:04:39.760 would they get if they didn't go to parties or 1:04:39.760 --> 1:04:42.320 not school to other kids all day? You know what 1:04:42.360 --> 1:04:44.560 I mean. Yeah, it's just it's like a way to 1:04:44.640 --> 1:04:48.320 control what goes into their little brain. Yeah. Well yeah, 1:04:48.600 --> 1:04:50.640 I mean his parents did for different reasons, just because 1:04:50.680 --> 1:04:52.880 they didn't feel that the public school system was doing, 1:04:53.160 --> 1:04:55.760 you know, the best education. But that's, you know what 1:04:56.560 --> 1:04:58.920 I'm speaking just a segment of that world. So when 1:04:58.920 --> 1:05:03.240 you say, like I was pard parting with the homeschoolers, 1:05:03.360 --> 1:05:05.439 it just seems funny to me. I think we should 1:05:05.440 --> 1:05:09.040 maybe name this episode party with Homeschoolers or running with guns. 1:05:09.040 --> 1:05:16.200 I don't candid running with party with homeschoolers. So there 1:05:16.240 --> 1:05:19.200 you are, your partying with a home schooler at sixteen. Yeah, yeah, 1:05:19.320 --> 1:05:24.960 and drink um. No, I don't think so, actually yeah, 1:05:25.000 --> 1:05:27.360 I don't know. So he's like, no, I'm cool, and 1:05:27.400 --> 1:05:29.680 you met him, started dating? Yeah, we started dating, and 1:05:29.720 --> 1:05:32.400 then it's like any relationship when you're in your early twenties, 1:05:32.480 --> 1:05:36.400 where you know there's just immaturity right there. There's jealousy, 1:05:36.440 --> 1:05:38.720 there's immaturity. You're not mature as a person. They're not 1:05:38.760 --> 1:05:41.480 mature as a person, and you you grow out of it. 1:05:41.560 --> 1:05:44.440 So I had gotten out of that relationship, and I 1:05:44.440 --> 1:05:46.600 remember it was like, heck to find a place for 1:05:46.640 --> 1:05:49.960 me to live by myself. I guys are living together. Well, yeah, 1:05:50.040 --> 1:05:52.080 I was twenty three. I'm not gonna be at my 1:05:52.120 --> 1:05:56.360 mom's with my boyfriend. Yeah, but you did so, so, um, 1:05:56.400 --> 1:06:00.120 you're not married now, okay, yeah, so I'm sorry if 1:06:00.120 --> 1:06:05.520 I'm not within the traditionalist. I'm always curious about whether 1:06:05.520 --> 1:06:07.720 people are married or not. Yeah. So you guys split up, 1:06:07.720 --> 1:06:09.800 couldn't find a place, Yeah, And I end up finding 1:06:09.800 --> 1:06:11.960 one place I fell in love with in Salisbury, New Hampshire. 1:06:12.160 --> 1:06:15.600 So Salisbury, New Hampshire has no police department. And so 1:06:15.680 --> 1:06:17.520 now living by myself for the first time it's a 1:06:17.520 --> 1:06:20.800 single female, I'm like, Okay, Well, if something happens, I'll 1:06:20.840 --> 1:06:23.320 dine down nine one one in the closest state. Troopero 1:06:23.360 --> 1:06:25.200 show up whenever he can, and I don't know when 1:06:25.200 --> 1:06:29.840 that's going to be tomorrow morning, tomorrow morning, that way, 1:06:29.920 --> 1:06:33.600 tomorrow pretty much. And that's when I looked into buy 1:06:33.600 --> 1:06:37.200 my first firearm. And uh so in high school, Um, 1:06:37.240 --> 1:06:40.439 I actually I used to wrestle again with the fighting background. Um, 1:06:40.520 --> 1:06:43.320 and one of my assistant coaches I knew he used 1:06:43.360 --> 1:06:45.400 to do competition shooting. I reached out to him, Chris 1:06:45.440 --> 1:06:47.120 Mullin's his name. He's a sweethel to be like, hey, 1:06:47.160 --> 1:06:48.400 if you were going to buy a gun, what would 1:06:48.440 --> 1:06:49.840 you What would I do? Because I didn't know what 1:06:49.880 --> 1:06:51.840 to do. I mean, like I said, my stepdad was 1:06:51.920 --> 1:06:55.040 just not, you know, like a gun person. He hunts 1:06:55.160 --> 1:06:57.400 once in a while. And so I reached out to 1:06:57.480 --> 1:06:59.640 him and he was just like, hey, um, you know, 1:06:59.760 --> 1:07:01.240 I have a couple of firearms. So it is a 1:07:01.240 --> 1:07:03.240 glock seventeen and a bread and ninety two f s. 1:07:03.520 --> 1:07:05.640 You could try him out. And then I actually work 1:07:05.720 --> 1:07:07.160 at a gun shop, so if you want to buy 1:07:07.160 --> 1:07:09.160 one after, I could sell you one. So I was like, great, 1:07:09.560 --> 1:07:13.840 who worked at a gun shop. My friend Daniel, you 1:07:13.840 --> 1:07:19.600 called my friend the trainer, ye who also like to shoot? Yes? Yeah, yeah, 1:07:19.640 --> 1:07:21.440 So it worked out. So it worked out really great. 1:07:21.480 --> 1:07:23.840 And that's that's when I bought my first fire which 1:07:23.920 --> 1:07:27.560 was a glock seventeen. Um. And actually, so I had 1:07:27.720 --> 1:07:29.800 a like a false start. Before that, I went into 1:07:29.800 --> 1:07:31.439 a gun shop and I told him I wanted something 1:07:31.480 --> 1:07:33.600 for self defense. And I'm sure there's if there's any 1:07:33.600 --> 1:07:35.400 woman listening to this podcast who've tried to buy a 1:07:35.400 --> 1:07:37.480 gun for the first time, maybe they could relate. UM. 1:07:37.520 --> 1:07:39.760 I said, I wanted self defense and target practice. Uh. 1:07:39.880 --> 1:07:42.640 And self defense what I mean by that is home defense, 1:07:43.080 --> 1:07:47.040 not concealed carry, but just home defense. Um. At the time, 1:07:47.040 --> 1:07:49.480 I couldn't imagine myself concealed caring. And so they showed 1:07:49.520 --> 1:07:52.640 me a sig mosquito. If you know what saying mosquito is, 1:07:53.040 --> 1:07:57.880 It's like his name implies smallness and implies and it 1:07:57.960 --> 1:08:01.120 was pink, and I a bore color pink, and I 1:08:01.160 --> 1:08:03.160 just felt so insulted by the guy. I like a 1:08:03.200 --> 1:08:07.880 little my daughter has one of these, and I love it. 1:08:07.880 --> 1:08:10.240 And I'm like, oh my god, like do you what? 1:08:10.560 --> 1:08:12.600 Did you not hear what I just told you? I 1:08:12.640 --> 1:08:15.480 want something for home defense and har your practice, and 1:08:15.520 --> 1:08:18.479 you're showing me this little three eight whatever. So I 1:08:18.479 --> 1:08:21.040 got the glock seventeen UM shot with that for a 1:08:21.120 --> 1:08:23.519 little while and actually really started enjoying it. So I 1:08:23.560 --> 1:08:25.800 used to go to the firing line by myself and 1:08:25.840 --> 1:08:30.320 just practice. Um, and I thought again, it was just 1:08:30.479 --> 1:08:32.559 it was different when you go to an indoor public 1:08:32.600 --> 1:08:35.320 fire in line the people who go there, as opposed 1:08:35.360 --> 1:08:37.760 to when I joined a club I got club. It's 1:08:37.760 --> 1:08:40.680 a super different minds. Did you get like hit on 1:08:40.800 --> 1:08:42.960 by guys just NonStop if you went down by yourself 1:08:42.960 --> 1:08:45.920 to shoot a pistol at a gun club, They're like, 1:08:45.960 --> 1:08:48.639 she's here, look, she must be here looking for a man. Now. Well, 1:08:48.720 --> 1:08:51.040 I think I had a serious enough attitude where I 1:08:51.120 --> 1:08:54.200 kind of thwarted a lot of people. Um. I sometimes 1:08:54.479 --> 1:08:57.559 I feel like I'm not too Yeah, like I put 1:08:57.560 --> 1:09:00.200 on my game face like I'm not there, you know 1:09:00.200 --> 1:09:02.360 what I mean with a V cut shirts, so it's 1:09:02.400 --> 1:09:04.439 catching all your hot brass or heels or any of that. 1:09:04.439 --> 1:09:06.080 Because there's definitely women that I've seen at the firing 1:09:06.080 --> 1:09:09.200 line where I'm like hot brass. Keep that in mind, Crane, 1:09:09.600 --> 1:09:14.920 if we don't go with don't part these two scars. 1:09:14.960 --> 1:09:18.280 That's hot brass from from the A R. And actually 1:09:18.320 --> 1:09:21.240 this this too, that's hot brass. Yeah. So when you 1:09:21.479 --> 1:09:25.360 when you shoot off of a barrier, sometimes what will 1:09:25.400 --> 1:09:26.920 happen is it will hit that wall. It don't come 1:09:26.960 --> 1:09:29.840 back and I'll get you. And so little scars on 1:09:29.840 --> 1:09:32.639 your shoulder from hot breast, yeah, oh that's yeah. When 1:09:32.760 --> 1:09:36.320 there's all sorts of other stuff, yeah, that it injures you. 1:09:36.840 --> 1:09:39.960 But the point being is, uh no, but that when 1:09:40.000 --> 1:09:41.560 you were down there at the shooting range. Initially you 1:09:41.600 --> 1:09:42.880 were just like, I'm just gonna learn how to use 1:09:42.880 --> 1:09:44.080 this thing. Yeah, that was it. And then you kind 1:09:44.080 --> 1:09:45.280 of got like, I want to be better and better. 1:09:45.320 --> 1:09:47.599 So because I had to compete and I'm super competitive, well, 1:09:47.640 --> 1:09:53.080 I wasn't. Well, I guess it was eventually evolve to 1:09:53.200 --> 1:09:55.200 that right right, you can see right away where this 1:09:55.280 --> 1:09:57.639 is going. That wasn't my That wasn't my thought though, 1:09:57.760 --> 1:10:00.479 So what had actually happened? So I started aiding someone 1:10:00.520 --> 1:10:03.640 new um, and he was like, hey, I have a 1:10:03.680 --> 1:10:06.000 clay thrower. You want to try shooting a shotgun? And 1:10:06.040 --> 1:10:09.320 I said sure, yeah whatever. So we shot it, you know, 1:10:09.439 --> 1:10:12.200 throwing clays in the backyard and he's like, wow, you're 1:10:12.240 --> 1:10:14.200 like way better than my buddy that I took out 1:10:14.280 --> 1:10:17.000 last weekend, Like way better. And I'm like really, like, 1:10:17.120 --> 1:10:19.080 I don't know, you just aim it and shoot things 1:10:19.160 --> 1:10:21.840 like I don't know if the problem is and so 1:10:21.920 --> 1:10:24.519 about six months after that, again I got more into 1:10:24.600 --> 1:10:27.360 my handgun practice, and he was like, well, I've enrolled 1:10:27.400 --> 1:10:29.680 you in your first sporting clay competition. And I was 1:10:29.720 --> 1:10:33.599 like what and he's like, yeah, I think you could 1:10:33.600 --> 1:10:41.479 do it. I'm like, okay, the competitions no, no, so talent. Yeah, 1:10:41.560 --> 1:10:43.280 And so he put me in that, and so I 1:10:43.280 --> 1:10:45.519 stuck with sporting plays for a few years. And so 1:10:45.560 --> 1:10:47.639 I would say about a year after sporting plays because 1:10:47.640 --> 1:10:50.320 again I really enjoyed my handgun um. And then you know, 1:10:50.320 --> 1:10:52.360 as any well, what's that world like the sporting clay 1:10:52.400 --> 1:10:56.120 world in terms of like the competitions and stuff. Oh 1:10:56.120 --> 1:10:58.679 it's so different. Um, so I I love sporting clays 1:10:58.720 --> 1:11:02.519 like it's more more genteel Oh yeah, I mean, but 1:11:02.560 --> 1:11:05.280 the thing is that being a younger woman going into 1:11:05.320 --> 1:11:09.280 sporting plays, Oh, I got all the special treatment, like 1:11:09.520 --> 1:11:11.519 you know, oh, you want to use my fancy side 1:11:11.520 --> 1:11:13.599 by side to go to the indoor bathroom as opposed 1:11:13.600 --> 1:11:15.320 to using the power to body. Oh yeah, I go 1:11:15.400 --> 1:11:17.120 take it, Like I don't even know who this person is, 1:11:17.320 --> 1:11:19.880 Like I used to happen all the time, or I 1:11:20.040 --> 1:11:22.640 like I would either hand carry my guns or when 1:11:22.680 --> 1:11:24.960 I got more gear, I got like a little buggy. 1:11:25.320 --> 1:11:27.040 They'd be like, oh no, you you could put your 1:11:27.040 --> 1:11:31.920 gun in my cart and stuff, so that you mean, 1:11:31.920 --> 1:11:34.439 it's like guys scamming on you or guys like being 1:11:34.439 --> 1:11:36.680 like little ladies. These are the like little ladies like 1:11:37.000 --> 1:11:39.040 it's these are the people in your squads, like group 1:11:39.040 --> 1:11:41.400 of people that you shoot with because they just want 1:11:41.400 --> 1:11:42.880 to help you out. They do the same thing for 1:11:42.960 --> 1:11:45.800 junior shooters. So it's like it's more of a pity play. No, 1:11:45.960 --> 1:11:49.800 it's not pitty. It's like they it's gentlemanly and they 1:11:49.880 --> 1:11:55.559 want to It's the equivalent of like opening the door exactly. Yeah. 1:11:55.600 --> 1:11:56.960 But the other thing too is that they want to 1:11:57.040 --> 1:11:59.280 encourage more women into the sport, and they would encourage 1:11:59.320 --> 1:12:01.200 youth into the sport, so anyway that they could kind 1:12:01.200 --> 1:12:03.639 of sort of take care of them. Did you feel 1:12:03.640 --> 1:12:07.360 it was there was over encouraging. No, because when it 1:12:07.400 --> 1:12:09.479 came down to shooting, I mean, yeah, we meant business 1:12:09.800 --> 1:12:12.000 just because they were nice, like you know now and 1:12:12.000 --> 1:12:13.519 then didn't mean that. I didn't think that they meant 1:12:13.560 --> 1:12:17.479 business otherwise, And is in the three Gune world, it doesn't. 1:12:18.840 --> 1:12:21.840 It's very different. It's not there's no it's I could 1:12:21.840 --> 1:12:24.760 picture just from the crew were to day. I could 1:12:24.760 --> 1:12:31.280 picture that they would be maybe better able to play 1:12:31.320 --> 1:12:38.360 equality h but probably don't do the chivalry. Okay, So 1:12:38.680 --> 1:12:42.880 sporting place, uh is a fun sport. It tends to 1:12:42.920 --> 1:12:47.160 be a little bit older of a demographic, if you will. 1:12:47.200 --> 1:12:50.160 And I'm just generalizing, Okay, so people out there listening, 1:12:51.080 --> 1:12:54.760 there's not that like more in a good generalization, a 1:12:55.040 --> 1:12:59.519 way to ruffle people's feathers. Like generalizations are sometimes like 1:12:59.560 --> 1:13:02.640 a little bit right, I get the complexes, but now 1:13:03.479 --> 1:13:05.240 that's the thing. I mean, it's like now they're like 1:13:05.240 --> 1:13:07.559 like lay it on me, like I could picture all 1:13:07.560 --> 1:13:11.000 the ways that these things are. Like it's more laid back, right. 1:13:11.040 --> 1:13:13.760 And so people they have it's very typical for them 1:13:13.800 --> 1:13:16.080 to have their cards and they're smoking their you know, 1:13:16.240 --> 1:13:21.320 cigar leisurely. Uh No, I'm talking like the three thousand 1:13:21.400 --> 1:13:24.439 side by side like the razors. Oh, these guys are 1:13:24.560 --> 1:13:27.080 high rollers. Yeah, And I mean but you have to 1:13:27.120 --> 1:13:29.719 keep in mind with sporting plays, they could have uh 1:13:29.840 --> 1:13:33.400 you know like paraz Is that costs like twenty plus 1:13:33.439 --> 1:13:36.840 dollars that one gun. Right, so there's big money into 1:13:36.920 --> 1:13:38.960 it and they make big money. So three gunners, we 1:13:38.960 --> 1:13:42.000 don't get paid anything for winning competition. Sporting clay people 1:13:42.040 --> 1:13:45.000 they do. Uh so yeah, because that's even like that's 1:13:45.280 --> 1:13:48.120 there's you know, do do do any colleges have three 1:13:48.120 --> 1:13:51.400 gun teams? Yet there's colleges that have sporting play teams? Yeah? No, 1:13:51.479 --> 1:13:54.479 you're right, and uh And to be honest, I don't 1:13:54.479 --> 1:13:57.519 know if any, but but maybe I'd be pretty surprised. Yeah. 1:13:58.160 --> 1:14:02.000 So there are colleges that have action shooting teams, which 1:14:02.040 --> 1:14:04.080 is generalized so they'll shoot us p s A, which 1:14:04.080 --> 1:14:07.240 is action pistol shooting. So there are colleges with that. Yeah, 1:14:07.280 --> 1:14:11.240 for sure. Um, we're three guns. We are. I don't 1:14:11.280 --> 1:14:13.160 know how to explain it. I like to think we're 1:14:13.160 --> 1:14:16.280 more of a fun crowd. Uh, but yeah, I mean 1:14:16.600 --> 1:14:19.720 the chivalries, they're like, if you are a gentleman, you're 1:14:19.720 --> 1:14:21.439 going to be a gentleman no matter what. And I 1:14:21.479 --> 1:14:25.479 think that shooting sports tend to attract men who who 1:14:25.600 --> 1:14:29.479 like to be chivalrous. Right, But at the same time 1:14:29.520 --> 1:14:31.760 they are going to little lady you, They're going to 1:14:31.840 --> 1:14:33.439 assume that you know, at the end of the day, 1:14:33.479 --> 1:14:38.120 we're competitors, right, So you're a guy. I'm a girl, like, yeah, sure, 1:14:38.200 --> 1:14:41.160 hold the door open for me, but I'm gonna try 1:14:41.160 --> 1:14:43.160 to I'm going to try to beat you, you know, 1:14:43.400 --> 1:14:45.639 and they recognize that. But it's also a team sport 1:14:45.680 --> 1:14:48.000 to like remember when we were stage planning, we were 1:14:48.000 --> 1:14:51.479 trying to we we feed off of each other. So 1:14:51.520 --> 1:14:54.400 it's very supportive. It's a very supportive community. How many 1:14:54.439 --> 1:14:59.000 women do you encounter in this community? Um? So my 1:14:59.400 --> 1:15:02.720 social media handle is an h three gun Girl. I 1:15:02.760 --> 1:15:04.840 am the only girl in New Hampshire that shoots three 1:15:04.840 --> 1:15:11.000 gun there. Now, there are some I know I've been 1:15:11.120 --> 1:15:13.760 I've been told that I should add the in front 1:15:13.760 --> 1:15:16.040 of it, but there are some other women in New 1:15:16.040 --> 1:15:18.320 England who have picked it up, which is great. Since 1:15:18.360 --> 1:15:21.479 I started shooting in Florida, that's pretty common. Um, it's 1:15:21.520 --> 1:15:28.519 popular in Florida. Yeah, down south definitely Florida. In Texas, 1:15:28.560 --> 1:15:31.360 those are two huge ones. Um, I'm going to stay 1:15:31.439 --> 1:15:33.439 top of my mind in Florida, Texas. There's there's all 1:15:33.439 --> 1:15:36.320 sorts of other ones, right, Um, Like we just had 1:15:36.360 --> 1:15:39.720 the pro am in North Carolina or South Carolina, one 1:15:39.720 --> 1:15:42.320 of the Carolinas. I should know because I was signed 1:15:42.360 --> 1:15:45.640 up for that match. But anyways, um we're able to 1:15:45.640 --> 1:15:48.400 make it. No, no, no, no. Um, so there's that, 1:15:48.600 --> 1:15:52.479 and they're they're everywhere, They're everywhere. But like percentage in 1:15:52.560 --> 1:15:55.400 percentage wise, oh gosh. Um. I to be honest, I 1:15:55.439 --> 1:15:56.920 don't want to be held to a percentage or but 1:15:57.080 --> 1:16:00.639 if I had to generalize, it's going to be low. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:16:00.680 --> 1:16:02.840 so I would say less than less than ten percent 1:16:03.200 --> 1:16:07.439 and I would say so again, but it's sporting plays more. 1:16:07.880 --> 1:16:15.680 Uh was sporting craze greater female participant maybe slightly, But 1:16:15.760 --> 1:16:17.799 again I don't know what other areas of the country 1:16:17.800 --> 1:16:20.800 are like. In New England, there was not a lot 1:16:20.840 --> 1:16:23.880 of women in general. Um it was. It was common 1:16:23.920 --> 1:16:25.360 for me to be the only female in a sporting 1:16:25.360 --> 1:16:29.639 play competition. Um so, and you compete against dudes though, 1:16:29.800 --> 1:16:35.160 well of course yeah, because it's like it does not 1:16:35.240 --> 1:16:38.599 have to support like a female division, right, yeah exactly. 1:16:38.840 --> 1:16:41.040 And you start with that sporting clay business for how 1:16:41.080 --> 1:16:43.960 many years? A few years? Yeah, a few years. But 1:16:43.960 --> 1:16:46.479 I still like to shoot the pistol. Well, so I 1:16:46.520 --> 1:16:51.080 had started researching three guys I think year two into it, 1:16:51.120 --> 1:16:54.200 but I spent how many years ago that were so 1:16:54.439 --> 1:16:56.680 how many years ago from today, years ago from Jay 1:16:56.680 --> 1:16:57.920 when I was in supporting play, so it would have 1:16:57.960 --> 1:17:03.400 been two thousand fifteen ish. Um. And so I started 1:17:03.439 --> 1:17:06.519 researching three gun and it's like awesome. I started watching 1:17:06.520 --> 1:17:08.360 YouTube and I'm like, holy smokes, I need to do this. 1:17:08.520 --> 1:17:10.439 But there's a lot of gear involved. So it took 1:17:10.479 --> 1:17:12.600 me about a year plus to save up all the 1:17:12.640 --> 1:17:14.479 gear to to shoot three guns. I mean, and I 1:17:14.479 --> 1:17:16.240 always tell people, if you want to shoot three gun, 1:17:16.680 --> 1:17:18.600 show up to a match and people will lend you 1:17:18.600 --> 1:17:20.320 their gear. I'm not making this up. You could be 1:17:20.320 --> 1:17:23.200 anywhere in the country and we will take care of you, 1:17:23.600 --> 1:17:26.400 period the end. Email the match director, but beforehand, tell 1:17:26.400 --> 1:17:27.760 them what you have and what you need and we 1:17:27.800 --> 1:17:30.679 will put it together. I'm serious. Anywhere in the country 1:17:30.680 --> 1:17:34.120 when a time that a long time to assemble the 1:17:34.120 --> 1:17:36.120 gear was like, you mean saving up the money to 1:17:36.120 --> 1:17:38.280 buy it all. Well, that belt that you were talking 1:17:38.280 --> 1:17:40.760 about earlier, you described it as a tool belt. I've 1:17:40.800 --> 1:17:42.720 done some math on that. When it comes to the 1:17:42.760 --> 1:17:46.040 belt system itself, and every single mag pouch and the 1:17:46.040 --> 1:17:50.240 holsters without AMMO is close to four right, because you 1:17:50.280 --> 1:17:54.160 think every belt grow thing, well, because you have all 1:17:54.160 --> 1:17:57.679 those mag pouches and each one might be forty dollars, right, 1:17:57.760 --> 1:18:00.400 and then your handgun holsters sixty dollars. Then you need 1:18:00.439 --> 1:18:02.439 the e l S attachments that go onto it. This 1:18:02.520 --> 1:18:04.160 is Safari Land for those of you who are listening, 1:18:04.200 --> 1:18:06.479 you know what I'm talking about. And then that costs money, 1:18:06.600 --> 1:18:09.759 and it just starts just as very quickly, very quickly. 1:18:09.920 --> 1:18:12.080 And it's all modular too, which is one thing you're pinning. 1:18:12.160 --> 1:18:15.439 You can just swap out different sizes of holsters and yeah, 1:18:16.760 --> 1:18:18.840 you can get into it. So the shell caddy that 1:18:18.960 --> 1:18:21.719 I use, I'm sorry, I'm going back to eleven. No, 1:18:21.800 --> 1:18:24.160 I want I want to go to a nine on 1:18:24.200 --> 1:18:26.040 this belt real quick. I don't want I don't want 1:18:26.040 --> 1:18:27.280 to derail. I want to go to a nine on 1:18:27.320 --> 1:18:29.120 the belt. The belts just like a thing in the 1:18:29.120 --> 1:18:32.519 world because it's like it's hook and loop velcrow and 1:18:32.680 --> 1:18:38.000 you run the fuzzy there's a belt with the fuzzy part, 1:18:38.520 --> 1:18:41.160 and you run the fuzzy part the underbelt through your 1:18:41.160 --> 1:18:43.080 normal belt loops and then you've got like a fuzzy 1:18:43.120 --> 1:18:47.000 belt on. Then the belt that holds all the accouterments, 1:18:48.720 --> 1:18:51.679 uh is the hook. The hook portion of the hook 1:18:51.680 --> 1:18:57.760 and loop velcro that goes on over I feel like 1:18:58.439 --> 1:19:01.479 people in the trades should have one of those, dude, 1:19:01.600 --> 1:19:04.599 for everything, Right, it's so much more like I don't 1:19:04.600 --> 1:19:07.240 know how Like if if I was framing houses, I'd 1:19:07.280 --> 1:19:09.960 be right now going out and being like, I've switched 1:19:10.000 --> 1:19:12.080 my whole belt situation. I'm getting me a s fir 1:19:12.200 --> 1:19:17.000 lamb belt and hammer, couple nail pouches and shipped on 1:19:17.000 --> 1:19:19.519 that set up. Man spending your whole day trying to 1:19:19.520 --> 1:19:22.040 pull your pants up smart, that's true. Well, so it's 1:19:22.120 --> 1:19:25.400 it's very similar to a law enforcement felt because it's 1:19:25.439 --> 1:19:28.160 so rigid. It's so rigid, and when you have that 1:19:28.240 --> 1:19:30.640 inner belt system that is really tucking it close to 1:19:30.680 --> 1:19:32.160 your body, and then you have what we call the 1:19:32.200 --> 1:19:34.200 outer belt, which is what you're talking about that has 1:19:34.520 --> 1:19:36.439 all of our attachments on it. That is such a 1:19:36.880 --> 1:19:40.360 rigid system because there's so much weight. I mean, when 1:19:40.400 --> 1:19:41.960 you think about it and you felt it, I know 1:19:42.080 --> 1:19:43.880 you felt it. I saw I saw it like that 1:19:43.960 --> 1:19:46.599 twinkle in your eye. Because when I first started shooting 1:19:46.600 --> 1:19:51.479 the legion, which is a tungsten infused uh SIG three twenty, right, 1:19:51.520 --> 1:19:54.599 it's a heavy it's a heavy gun. Um, you fill 1:19:54.640 --> 1:19:57.000 it on your hip after a while, because especially with women, 1:19:57.000 --> 1:19:58.680 were just the way your hips are shaped and the 1:19:58.680 --> 1:20:00.479 way that belt sits on you, it just like it 1:20:00.520 --> 1:20:02.519 starts to bruise after a while. I don't know. I 1:20:02.560 --> 1:20:04.479 don't know what happens, but your body just gets used 1:20:04.520 --> 1:20:07.600 to all that weight. I don't know. But when I 1:20:07.600 --> 1:20:10.280 first started shooting, even just having a Block seventeen, which 1:20:10.280 --> 1:20:12.639 is just a light polymer gun, I was like, oh man, 1:20:12.520 --> 1:20:16.400 that this hurts. And now I'm like, I don't even 1:20:16.439 --> 1:20:29.280 feel it. You know, when did you shoot the first tournament? 1:20:29.520 --> 1:20:31.760 That was in two thousand sixteen. But how do you 1:20:31.760 --> 1:20:36.360 go from like not oh Steve, you don't even You 1:20:36.720 --> 1:20:39.360 just find out about something, get the ship and go. 1:20:39.880 --> 1:20:43.120 You don't like spend like years like getting ready to compete. 1:20:43.240 --> 1:20:46.240 Let's go over a quick story. So Taylor's first shooting season. 1:20:46.360 --> 1:20:48.000 This is me. I'm talking to the third person. Sorry, 1:20:48.200 --> 1:20:52.920 it was in two thousand seventeen, my first competition, uh 1:20:53.040 --> 1:20:55.200 like full season two thousand seventeen. By the end of 1:20:55.200 --> 1:20:58.280 two thousand seventeen, I started and have now ran for 1:20:58.320 --> 1:21:00.519 four years the biggest three gun match in New England. 1:21:00.920 --> 1:21:06.160 So I went from being a person who just started 1:21:06.520 --> 1:21:10.920 shooting three gun too, putting together and running a full 1:21:10.920 --> 1:21:15.160 fledged match by the end of the season. Enthusiasm. Do 1:21:15.439 --> 1:21:18.439 you feel like you have? Um? Do you kind of 1:21:18.479 --> 1:21:20.120 have Do you feel like you have like a mild 1:21:20.240 --> 1:21:24.920 form of what's the word I'm looking for? Not you're 1:21:24.920 --> 1:21:27.240 like like, like, are you obsessive about stuff? Like I'm 1:21:27.280 --> 1:21:32.439 not like a like a savant? Or do you? But 1:21:32.520 --> 1:21:38.120 do you feel that you get obsessed with something and 1:21:38.160 --> 1:21:41.639 then like it runs its course and then you wham 1:21:41.800 --> 1:21:44.639 jump into something else. It depends like if I talked 1:21:44.680 --> 1:21:46.000 to you in five years, are you could be like, 1:21:46.040 --> 1:21:50.360 oh no, I'm a competitive sailor and then you'll be 1:21:50.360 --> 1:21:52.200 like good a sailing and something. And some would be 1:21:52.240 --> 1:21:53.640 like you used to shoot three guns to that have 1:21:53.760 --> 1:21:56.360 no idea, But I'm shooting three guns competitive two years ago. 1:21:56.479 --> 1:21:59.800 I mean, I don't know what my cycle is going 1:21:59.840 --> 1:22:04.080 to be. You know, maybe give you way into something 1:22:04.120 --> 1:22:06.040 different in a couple of years. I don't think so. 1:22:06.600 --> 1:22:09.000 I don't think so. So. My my evolution of sports, 1:22:09.040 --> 1:22:11.880 each each one minute end for his own reason. The 1:22:11.920 --> 1:22:15.599 thing that I love. It's not just that you drifted away. 1:22:15.720 --> 1:22:19.439 It's not that I drifted away. No not, I moved 1:22:19.439 --> 1:22:24.400 to New Hampshire. They had no good dojos. What ended shooting? Shotguns? 1:22:25.120 --> 1:22:26.760 Well that was three gun. I got in a three 1:22:26.760 --> 1:22:28.920 gun because I was like, man, that's not a natural end, 1:22:28.920 --> 1:22:32.320 that's just you that involved. It's it's still competitive shooting. 1:22:32.720 --> 1:22:34.880 You know, it's still competitive shooting. So you don't think 1:22:34.920 --> 1:22:36.920 that you'll I mean in two or three years, you 1:22:36.920 --> 1:22:38.760 don't think you'll be into some whole new thing. But 1:22:38.800 --> 1:22:42.120 like way as in competitive shooting. Absolutely, maybe I'll get 1:22:42.160 --> 1:22:44.400 into PRS or maybe I'll get into something else. Three 1:22:44.400 --> 1:22:50.280 guns holds really close to my heart. Um, precision rifles shooting. Um. 1:22:50.320 --> 1:22:52.080 I think that a lot more of this audience will 1:22:52.080 --> 1:22:55.639 probably know about PRS more than three guns. It's easier 1:22:56.960 --> 1:22:59.439 when someone says precision rifles kind of like yeah, I 1:22:59.439 --> 1:23:03.120 got it rifle. Yeah, No, it's actually it's it's a 1:23:03.120 --> 1:23:05.800 ton of fun. And I think that if you're a hunter, 1:23:05.920 --> 1:23:08.880 you should do a PRS match just to stay start 1:23:09.000 --> 1:23:11.560 sharp on your skills. Not saying that three gun isn't transferable, 1:23:11.800 --> 1:23:16.280 but PRS is directly transferable to hunting for sure. It's awesome. 1:23:16.400 --> 1:23:19.240 Here's here's a here's a question for you, But I 1:23:19.240 --> 1:23:20.960 don't know. I'm trying to think how to frame it. 1:23:21.600 --> 1:23:28.720 I think it's safe to say that clay shooting is 1:23:28.880 --> 1:23:33.000 a like is a derivative sort of of of hunting 1:23:33.000 --> 1:23:35.320 of Wayne shooting. Of course, I think that they feed 1:23:35.360 --> 1:23:37.439 each other, right, Like especially some people to like to 1:23:37.439 --> 1:23:40.160 shoot quail, like guys that are like a way into 1:23:39.960 --> 1:23:44.240 two things that are very like you know, heavy shooting, 1:23:44.360 --> 1:23:47.360 like a lot like a lot of opportunities. Um, you 1:23:47.400 --> 1:23:50.679 go out for quail, you go out for dove like those. 1:23:51.160 --> 1:23:55.440 There's a lot of crossover between quail and dove hunters 1:23:55.600 --> 1:23:59.760 in sporting class. But like three guns very strikes me 1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:03.840 is like very military, okay, but you don't have any 1:24:03.960 --> 1:24:05.840 like you're not out of law enforcement. You're not out 1:24:05.840 --> 1:24:08.080 of military, are you like an exception? And that you 1:24:08.160 --> 1:24:11.400 didn't come from military law enforcement? Not at all. Most 1:24:11.400 --> 1:24:15.360 people who do three guns do not have a military background. 1:24:16.400 --> 1:24:19.080 Picture if it wasn't if the War on Terror, if 1:24:19.080 --> 1:24:20.560 there hadn't been the War on Terror, I feel like 1:24:20.560 --> 1:24:25.120 three guns wouldn't exist. But that's wow, really yeah, because 1:24:25.120 --> 1:24:28.320 I feel like I just feel like it's super well no, 1:24:28.360 --> 1:24:33.240 I just think it's super informed. By it's like very 1:24:33.320 --> 1:24:40.240 informed by UM, like moving through targets, Like yeah, I 1:24:40.320 --> 1:24:41.800 thought it was four in the podcast. Like years ago, 1:24:41.840 --> 1:24:44.599 I was invited down by the third Special Forces Group 1:24:44.640 --> 1:24:45.920 and I got to go down to Fort Bragg and 1:24:45.920 --> 1:24:50.160 watch him train and UM doing different activities. And one 1:24:50.200 --> 1:24:52.200 day when when I was there watching them train, they 1:24:52.200 --> 1:24:57.000 were training like they were training transitioning from their rifle 1:24:57.040 --> 1:24:59.800 to their pistol, and it was like on the move 1:25:00.120 --> 1:25:03.679 going through with targets, and it was all about like 1:25:04.160 --> 1:25:07.800 how smoothly you can move back forth back forth. And 1:25:07.800 --> 1:25:09.599 they're also doing a lot of stuff of like going 1:25:09.640 --> 1:25:13.200 into houses and like how to clear houses, move through houses, 1:25:14.320 --> 1:25:17.640 and it's like that like a lot of the like 1:25:17.680 --> 1:25:20.680 a lot of the movements and stuff seemed to inform it. 1:25:20.680 --> 1:25:23.320 It's way different, but I feel like it's like heavily 1:25:23.360 --> 1:25:26.160 informed by it. It's not informed by it at all. 1:25:26.200 --> 1:25:30.360 If anything, I believe that competition shooting has been influencing military. 1:25:30.560 --> 1:25:32.479 Well that's what that's what I was learning today. Different 1:25:32.520 --> 1:25:34.800 things like you guys have a little gear twitch like 1:25:34.880 --> 1:25:38.360 gear fixes and strategies that flowed the other direction, which 1:25:38.400 --> 1:25:41.479 is surprising. Yeah, but you did say though that like 1:25:42.280 --> 1:25:47.160 it started basically because training, oh for sure, and it 1:25:47.200 --> 1:25:50.439 but I feel that it branched off very quickly. Um. 1:25:50.520 --> 1:25:54.519 And that you again, military we I have a lot 1:25:54.600 --> 1:25:58.120 of good friends who are UM active in the military. 1:25:58.320 --> 1:26:02.040 They are current law enforce, mint officers of every facet 1:26:02.280 --> 1:26:05.080 right anywhere from you know, swat to a beat cop. 1:26:05.360 --> 1:26:07.640 They'll come out and compete. But that's the minority. That 1:26:07.720 --> 1:26:10.479 might be one or two or a few guys at 1:26:10.479 --> 1:26:14.760 a competition out of like people, right um. And at 1:26:14.760 --> 1:26:17.160 a national level competition, you know, we're going to see 1:26:17.200 --> 1:26:19.679 a lot more of those guys come out. But overall, 1:26:19.840 --> 1:26:22.920 because what I love is at a national level competition 1:26:23.439 --> 1:26:26.120 or one of these bigger three gun matches you have. 1:26:26.400 --> 1:26:28.960 So the Marines they have a shooting team, right, and 1:26:29.000 --> 1:26:31.680 then they have a three gun team. Same thing for 1:26:31.720 --> 1:26:35.080 the Army, AMU, that is the biggest shooting team in 1:26:35.160 --> 1:26:38.519 all the military branches. A mu uh some other one 1:26:38.520 --> 1:26:40.519 of those military branches shooting team might be yelling at 1:26:40.520 --> 1:26:43.160 me right now, but it's I think it's kind of known. Um. 1:26:43.240 --> 1:26:46.000 You know, they have an incredible recruiting program with a 1:26:46.080 --> 1:26:49.519 mu uh Dan Horner, who is one of the top 1:26:49.520 --> 1:26:52.840 three gun shooters he came from a mu um you know, 1:26:53.280 --> 1:26:55.679 uh Max Michelle, he was army as well, so that's 1:26:55.720 --> 1:26:59.040 one of the top guys. But anyways, um, so there 1:26:59.040 --> 1:27:02.320 are a lot of military branches. National Guard they have 1:27:02.560 --> 1:27:05.360 a huge three gun shooting team. So there's a lot 1:27:05.400 --> 1:27:08.439 of military branches that have these shooting teams. But is 1:27:08.520 --> 1:27:12.439 it the majority? Absolutely not, absolutely not. There's an internet. 1:27:12.479 --> 1:27:15.000 There's a couple of things that you guys pointed out 1:27:15.160 --> 1:27:19.200 to me today. Is for instance, like things I had 1:27:19.240 --> 1:27:21.720 heard but hadn't really heard him articulated. Well, like the 1:27:21.760 --> 1:27:25.559 tendency to stand side like to like if you're shooting 1:27:25.560 --> 1:27:28.640 a pistol. The tendency to turn your body so that 1:27:28.680 --> 1:27:32.799 you're like parallel in the line with your target comes 1:27:32.840 --> 1:27:36.360 from trying to like shrink your profile to a potential 1:27:36.360 --> 1:27:39.960 shooter and they're like open up, like you're not, you're 1:27:39.960 --> 1:27:42.200 not needing to do that. Or another thing with like 1:27:42.240 --> 1:27:47.519 a military rifle hold in and like what you guys like, 1:27:47.840 --> 1:27:50.679 there's a term someone used a close court um so 1:27:51.160 --> 1:27:56.800 military plowing your arm, employing your arm to help as 1:27:56.800 --> 1:28:00.200 a protection to your body, and that's not needed. So 1:28:00.240 --> 1:28:01.960 there's like these ways in which you see like little 1:28:02.000 --> 1:28:04.439 habits people have. I guess I'm watching the news or 1:28:04.560 --> 1:28:06.559 watching movies and you start to like you think you 1:28:06.560 --> 1:28:09.200 know how to hold stuff, and then the competitive shooters 1:28:09.240 --> 1:28:11.720 being like no, no no, no, like you're doing like a 1:28:11.760 --> 1:28:15.519 cop thing that we don't do, like it's it's better 1:28:15.560 --> 1:28:18.559 this way, you know. Yes, And and I've taken a 1:28:18.560 --> 1:28:21.799 lot of training classes before where you have uh ELO 1:28:21.880 --> 1:28:25.400 law enforcement officers and there are things that we do 1:28:25.479 --> 1:28:27.200 that may not be safe for them, like you know, 1:28:27.400 --> 1:28:30.759 facing straight onto your target. We're not shooting from behind cover. 1:28:31.120 --> 1:28:34.599 There's all these different things that may not be safe 1:28:34.600 --> 1:28:37.040 for them, but for us, we're thinking about time because 1:28:37.040 --> 1:28:40.599 a good point, there's no like utilizing there's no utilizing cover. 1:28:40.880 --> 1:28:42.880 There is not. So there are different games for that. 1:28:42.920 --> 1:28:45.000 And at the end of the day, these are these 1:28:45.000 --> 1:28:46.880 are games are great training tools, but there are games 1:28:47.240 --> 1:28:48.760 h called I d p A, and so I d 1:28:48.880 --> 1:28:53.200 p A does their best to be as realistic as possible. 1:28:53.280 --> 1:28:56.000 I'm sorry you have my like little air quotes, air 1:28:56.080 --> 1:28:58.680 quotes going um and that's the training people how to 1:28:58.720 --> 1:29:03.479 like a roacha active shooters situation or then it's just 1:29:03.560 --> 1:29:06.120 they give you this scenario. It's not even about active 1:29:06.120 --> 1:29:08.000 shooters or anything like that. They give you this scenario 1:29:08.600 --> 1:29:11.599 hypothetically where maybe there there is one, but they you know, 1:29:11.720 --> 1:29:13.559 it's part of the game. They have to shoot from 1:29:13.600 --> 1:29:16.240 behind cover, that kind of thing. But again, there's a 1:29:16.240 --> 1:29:19.679 lot of different disciplines within shooting sports. All right, Yanni, 1:29:20.000 --> 1:29:23.040 what do you got? What are your observations? Well, a 1:29:23.040 --> 1:29:26.400 couple more questions about shooting in the competition and you're 1:29:26.479 --> 1:29:28.880 you're shooting. So there's so few women that you guys 1:29:28.880 --> 1:29:32.519 are just lumped into one division. So when the results 1:29:32.560 --> 1:29:35.080 come out, it's not like you're always taking first place 1:29:35.080 --> 1:29:38.040 in the women's division. You're just taking whatever place it 1:29:38.160 --> 1:29:40.760 is in the division. Or yeah, and the one that 1:29:40.840 --> 1:29:44.240 you entered. So where do you? Where do you? And 1:29:44.280 --> 1:29:46.800 the and there's another galuy you mentioned earlier. Where do 1:29:46.840 --> 1:29:50.680 you guys rank against thousands of men? And there's what 1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:55.439 there's a handful of you hand I mean, so I 1:29:55.479 --> 1:29:58.879 consider myself a midpack hero, which means that I typically 1:29:58.880 --> 1:30:02.799 will finish you know, upper to midpack to lower to midpact, 1:30:02.800 --> 1:30:05.120 depending on how good of that her day I've done, right, 1:30:05.439 --> 1:30:09.360 So that that's where I typically place. I'm pack here 1:30:09.400 --> 1:30:11.639 and now I'm talking overall. When it comes to women, 1:30:11.680 --> 1:30:14.080 there's so little women that normally you know, I'm high 1:30:14.160 --> 1:30:16.920 lady overall. That's not you know, because again there's there's that, 1:30:17.000 --> 1:30:18.800 there's that many of us. So I'm always looking at 1:30:18.840 --> 1:30:23.000 overall standings, um, in terms of where I complete in 1:30:23.080 --> 1:30:26.360 that um. And what was the other question? Well, you're 1:30:26.360 --> 1:30:28.920 saying that there was a like you mentioned Lena, I 1:30:28.920 --> 1:30:33.720 think she's awesome. You're gonna like, has she ever just 1:30:33.800 --> 1:30:38.320 straight out one beat beat the whole all the whole field? Um? 1:30:38.439 --> 1:30:42.559 So I mean, gosh, she showed a shot any locals. 1:30:42.560 --> 1:30:45.760 I mean, yeah, she'd cream absolutely everyone in terms of 1:30:45.960 --> 1:30:48.040 And I'm so sorry, Lena, if you're listening to this, 1:30:48.120 --> 1:30:51.599 I can't remember if she's one overall on national competition. 1:30:51.640 --> 1:30:54.280 I think I believe she's come close. Um. So recently 1:30:54.320 --> 1:30:57.439 she placed a third um in a I believe it 1:30:57.479 --> 1:31:02.280 was an area match, third overall, which was very very respectful. 1:31:03.000 --> 1:31:07.640 That was respectable, very respectable of her. No prize money. No, 1:31:08.680 --> 1:31:12.400 we do all of this for bragging rights. Yeah, I mean, 1:31:12.680 --> 1:31:16.320 it's it's crazy. You could you could get some sponsorships, um, 1:31:16.360 --> 1:31:18.200 you know, you can work with some companies stuff like that, 1:31:18.240 --> 1:31:20.519 but going pro was just you find a way within 1:31:20.560 --> 1:31:23.360 the industry to make like to make it most most 1:31:23.360 --> 1:31:27.240 anyone who is quote unquote pro um is they're just 1:31:27.240 --> 1:31:30.840 working in an industry. That's it one faster than the other. 1:31:32.160 --> 1:31:34.960 Well you got that little brainy, uh. I mean, do 1:31:35.040 --> 1:31:37.080 we want to dive into how it was for us, 1:31:37.120 --> 1:31:39.800 because I mean we we went. I mean was kind 1:31:39.800 --> 1:31:41.840 of the meat of it all is that we went 1:31:41.960 --> 1:31:45.439 and and had got trained by Taylor that which took 1:31:45.920 --> 1:31:48.559 it probably take the better part of two hours, right 1:31:48.640 --> 1:31:54.200 just just I'm like putting my my head down into 1:31:54.240 --> 1:31:57.320 my hands deeply right now. Because they were like, hey, 1:31:57.360 --> 1:31:59.440 we want to learn how to sheot three and I'm like, fantastic, 1:31:59.439 --> 1:32:02.040 this is more ours. This is this is a two 1:32:02.120 --> 1:32:04.160 day class. Then I was under the impression it was 1:32:04.160 --> 1:32:07.720 gonna be one day and I'm like, wow, um, how 1:32:07.760 --> 1:32:09.519 am I going to do this all in one day? 1:32:09.680 --> 1:32:12.479 And then Corin calls and says, actually, it's a half 1:32:12.479 --> 1:32:18.519 a day, and I'm like, I at least now say 1:32:18.600 --> 1:32:22.840 like what it is. I was losing my mind because 1:32:23.479 --> 1:32:27.720 we rolled in there and are our normal you know, 1:32:29.320 --> 1:32:32.640 operating procedures to roll in there and b asked with everybody. 1:32:32.680 --> 1:32:34.160 And as soon as we rolled in, Taylor is like, 1:32:34.320 --> 1:32:36.320 get over here, we're going safety. I'm like, oh, this 1:32:36.400 --> 1:32:39.200 is serious, okay safe, And then it was like there's 1:32:39.240 --> 1:32:42.639 a rifle or a pistol on our belt, on our thing, 1:32:42.760 --> 1:32:44.599 and then the pistol on the belt and we were 1:32:44.640 --> 1:32:46.439 on our way. No. I think you're a good teacher. 1:32:46.439 --> 1:32:48.479 You don't mess around. You know, it's like a lot 1:32:48.479 --> 1:32:50.360 of good information. But it's like you don't take time 1:32:50.400 --> 1:32:52.160 to like, you don't you don't have like little can 1:32:52.240 --> 1:32:54.000 jokes you do and ship like that. You just like 1:32:54.040 --> 1:32:56.160 get into it. Man. Yeah, it was so much fun. 1:32:56.240 --> 1:32:58.280 I'd recommend it'd be like great for us to get 1:32:58.280 --> 1:33:01.400 our families together and go and that class. It's so 1:33:02.200 --> 1:33:05.200 cool when kids get into three guns. I think I 1:33:05.200 --> 1:33:07.559 think your wife would like it. She'd like it. Jimmy 1:33:07.640 --> 1:33:11.479 is already asking about it. He was like, so he's 1:33:11.479 --> 1:33:13.760 gonna get away, He's gonna he'd come away from there 1:33:13.760 --> 1:33:19.439 with some many like bad ideas, so empty. When he 1:33:19.479 --> 1:33:22.920 went from knowing about single shot shotguns the pumps, it 1:33:23.080 --> 1:33:27.800 was just like a whole new thing. That world would 1:33:27.800 --> 1:33:29.360 be would just be too much from it would be 1:33:29.720 --> 1:33:33.280 it would be way too much for him. But so 1:33:33.520 --> 1:33:36.320 interesting because I I did not know what to expect 1:33:36.360 --> 1:33:40.479 with y'all in terms of skill level. And so obviously 1:33:40.479 --> 1:33:43.920 you're good hunters, right, And but just because someone is 1:33:43.960 --> 1:33:46.080 a good hunter doesn't mean that they're necessarily proficient with 1:33:46.120 --> 1:33:48.400 their firearms. And you all would know this from firsthand, 1:33:48.400 --> 1:33:51.240 for from meeting some people that you might have hunted 1:33:51.280 --> 1:33:55.240 with who may not have the let's say, best marksmanship. 1:33:55.280 --> 1:33:58.320 Does that make sense yea, just like the whole Yeah, 1:33:59.600 --> 1:34:04.519 hunters in general and in general this is not to everyone. Um, 1:34:04.880 --> 1:34:07.800 they like the point guns at each other, right, So 1:34:07.840 --> 1:34:11.760 their concept of safety it is very very different. In 1:34:11.800 --> 1:34:15.559 competition shooting safety is at the forefront of our minds 1:34:15.560 --> 1:34:17.880 at all times, and we have so many different rules 1:34:17.920 --> 1:34:20.520 to make sure we're being as safe as possible. Where 1:34:20.560 --> 1:34:23.559 in the hunting world there's just very different perspective when 1:34:23.560 --> 1:34:27.960 it comes to again safety and gun manipulation and efficiency 1:34:27.960 --> 1:34:30.439 of movement, all these things. So I don't know what 1:34:30.479 --> 1:34:33.080 to expect with y'all, unless I want to back Taylor up, 1:34:33.120 --> 1:34:36.040 because right now you're at home and you're like, that's bullshit, 1:34:37.040 --> 1:34:39.679 you know, I don't see that kind of stuff going down. 1:34:40.040 --> 1:34:42.960 It's like I can tell you as a guide weekly. 1:34:43.240 --> 1:34:46.559 If not daily, someone would be giving you the old 1:34:46.880 --> 1:34:49.719 um tunnel vision as we called it, and it would 1:34:49.720 --> 1:34:51.240 get to the point where you'd be like, dude, one 1:34:51.240 --> 1:34:54.320 more time and I'm done. You can got someone else 1:34:54.360 --> 1:34:56.400 can hunt with you. You can hunt by yourself, but like, 1:34:56.920 --> 1:34:59.400 I don't want to look down your rifle barrel again, 1:34:59.479 --> 1:35:02.439 do you unders damny? So yeah, you're you're spot on. 1:35:02.560 --> 1:35:05.080 Like there's a lot, there's plenty of that that goes down. 1:35:05.280 --> 1:35:07.479 It is. Yeah, we kept laughing about they make you 1:35:07.479 --> 1:35:09.720 go wait the truck if you make a mistake, oh, 1:35:09.800 --> 1:35:14.919 if you get d qte yeah. But but what's funny 1:35:15.200 --> 1:35:20.439 there is there is an inside joke with you know, 1:35:20.560 --> 1:35:24.559 especially action shooters, that if you get d cute, you 1:35:24.720 --> 1:35:27.040 have to go to d Q and eat your ice 1:35:27.080 --> 1:35:29.920 cream so you don't have to bring it back for 1:35:29.960 --> 1:35:32.720 everybody else. That's what you're the one who got d Q. 1:35:33.320 --> 1:35:35.920 You have to eat your ice cream ice cream for 1:35:35.960 --> 1:35:39.040 everybody else. No, that's not how Yeah, so because the 1:35:39.160 --> 1:35:41.679 ice cream is not it's like a bitter sweet, right. 1:35:42.040 --> 1:35:46.040 And what's funny is that if we're stage planning, they'll 1:35:46.120 --> 1:35:48.160 they'll be a moment where it's like I'm not going 1:35:48.200 --> 1:35:50.599 to eat my ice cream. On this stage, it's just 1:35:50.640 --> 1:35:53.240 like we instantly know what the other person is talking about. 1:35:53.280 --> 1:35:54.599 You don't want to go to dairy queen, you don't 1:35:54.600 --> 1:35:57.160 want to get d cute. Well, yeah, no, I mean 1:35:57.200 --> 1:35:59.960 even the difference I got called I got, I would 1:36:00.040 --> 1:36:04.240 of d Q just holstering my pistol at the very 1:36:04.400 --> 1:36:06.479 end of my round. I think I had done everything 1:36:06.720 --> 1:36:13.360 right round and when she asked me, um, when you're done, 1:36:13.400 --> 1:36:17.360 they Taylor asked you. She was acting as the range officer, 1:36:18.479 --> 1:36:20.880 and she asked you to clear the gun and show 1:36:20.920 --> 1:36:23.680 that your hammers down, So you open the action and 1:36:23.720 --> 1:36:25.760 then you close the action, and then you'll pull the 1:36:25.800 --> 1:36:28.320 trigger to show that it's completely empty, right, and then 1:36:28.800 --> 1:36:31.160 you holster. He right. Well, just the way that my 1:36:31.280 --> 1:36:34.120 hips were facing, the angle that I was angled off 1:36:34.240 --> 1:36:37.120 of that degree line that you can't pass, and then 1:36:37.200 --> 1:36:40.240 I went to holster and just that action was enough 1:36:40.280 --> 1:36:44.680 to basically get my gun pointed back behind me holstering it, 1:36:44.800 --> 1:36:46.559 you know, and I was pointing it down at the ground, 1:36:46.560 --> 1:36:49.240 but just that was enough to get it pointed. YEA. 1:36:49.320 --> 1:36:51.320 I wish I would have happened on the second round, 1:36:51.360 --> 1:36:56.240 because that would have meant I won. Oh I guess 1:36:56.280 --> 1:36:59.519 if I d Q then yeah, if they would have 1:36:59.520 --> 1:37:01.920 called a d Q, I would have been like the victor. 1:37:02.240 --> 1:37:05.880 You would be the victor. Yeah, that's a terrible way 1:37:05.920 --> 1:37:08.719 to win though, but you would have counted. It would 1:37:08.720 --> 1:37:11.000 have counted because I meant that the other person. Um, 1:37:13.920 --> 1:37:16.439 I feel like like you could almost the first time 1:37:16.479 --> 1:37:18.320 you do it, Like the second time, you're gonna cut 1:37:18.320 --> 1:37:21.040 your time in half. I feel like the third time 1:37:21.040 --> 1:37:23.840 you're probably gonna cut it by a third. Then it's 1:37:23.880 --> 1:37:28.120 probably then yeah, it's gonna start plateauing. So with you guys, 1:37:28.160 --> 1:37:31.120 who is amazing watching you again? You know, we went 1:37:31.200 --> 1:37:33.200 from the very beginning of the day working on pistol, 1:37:33.400 --> 1:37:36.759 and so I typically like to start with pistol because 1:37:36.760 --> 1:37:39.639 that gives you a really good calibration of how someone's 1:37:39.680 --> 1:37:41.760 overall firearm skills are, because that tends to be one 1:37:41.800 --> 1:37:44.719 of the hardest platforms to learn because there's so much 1:37:44.720 --> 1:37:47.920 more like with the grip in the stance and how 1:37:47.960 --> 1:37:50.360 you're looking down the site a rifle. I'm not saying 1:37:50.400 --> 1:37:52.000 that there was a difficulty to it, but you pretty 1:37:52.040 --> 1:37:53.280 much you hold it up and you look down the 1:37:53.280 --> 1:37:54.519 scope and you pull the trigger and you're going to 1:37:54.640 --> 1:37:57.000 go with the pistol. There's there's so much going into it. 1:37:57.320 --> 1:38:01.479 So uh so you got named teacup because you were 1:38:01.479 --> 1:38:05.760 doing that. The teacup and saucer h grip right, which 1:38:05.800 --> 1:38:09.000 is sort of like old school FBI movie Charlie's Angels 1:38:09.040 --> 1:38:11.600 type stuff, which is not something you don't think that 1:38:11.680 --> 1:38:13.640 there's I wanted we ran out of time because I 1:38:13.640 --> 1:38:15.640 wanted to explore this. I do think that there's like 1:38:15.720 --> 1:38:21.240 some revolver there's like some holdover from when people shot 1:38:21.280 --> 1:38:25.479 revolvers that your hand position, like the hand position you 1:38:25.760 --> 1:38:29.920 people are using is an appropriate to a revolver. So 1:38:29.960 --> 1:38:31.760 maybe some people that's the case. I think most of 1:38:31.760 --> 1:38:35.400 it they're they're watching TV and they're seeing cop grips, 1:38:35.439 --> 1:38:38.280 they're seeing Charlie's Angels, are seeing all these movies, like 1:38:38.400 --> 1:38:41.400 cop movies like Stevens all these guys where they're just like, 1:38:41.560 --> 1:38:43.439 you know, grabbing it for the bottom and it's like, 1:38:43.520 --> 1:38:45.719 what are you doing? This makes no sense? Should explain. 1:38:45.800 --> 1:38:49.120 So the teacup is like, if you're holding that pistol 1:38:49.280 --> 1:38:53.559 in one hand, if you're a right hander then your 1:38:53.680 --> 1:38:57.080 left hand. Yeah, it's like a little little teacup or 1:38:57.080 --> 1:38:59.920 a saucer underneath it from the from the bottom, you 1:39:00.000 --> 1:39:03.080 sort of supporting it from the bottom, where in reality 1:39:03.360 --> 1:39:05.960 you almost make like a like two fists together with 1:39:06.040 --> 1:39:08.479 the golf gripping a golf cloth. There you go. I 1:39:08.560 --> 1:39:12.679 heard that analgy earlier today. So, uh, seeing you guys 1:39:12.680 --> 1:39:17.360 go from from that all the way to actually transitioning 1:39:17.400 --> 1:39:19.920 between targets targets, so shooting one target and shooting the 1:39:19.920 --> 1:39:22.639 other one while on the move, while you know, walking 1:39:22.720 --> 1:39:25.920 with with the handgun doing the same thing with the rifle, 1:39:26.439 --> 1:39:29.120 so up close. Shooting up close with a rifle is 1:39:29.280 --> 1:39:33.080 very different from precision shooting with a rifle. Um and 1:39:33.200 --> 1:39:36.479 with the cadence because as hunters, y'all are making you know, 1:39:36.640 --> 1:39:40.360 one super meaningful shot from a distance, where with this, 1:39:40.560 --> 1:39:42.719 I mean we're doing at least two at a time 1:39:42.720 --> 1:39:46.240 and you're you're just getting getting after it. You know, Uh, 1:39:46.400 --> 1:39:48.799 things things get little spicy, and so when you're running 1:39:48.800 --> 1:39:52.360 with that gun, it changes things for sure. It really 1:39:52.640 --> 1:39:56.040 took me a while to be like, you don't have 1:39:56.200 --> 1:39:59.479 to aim as much as you're trying to know. It's 1:39:59.479 --> 1:40:03.280 like it's the like brown is down all the all 1:40:03.320 --> 1:40:05.320 the targets happened to be brown that we shot today. 1:40:05.320 --> 1:40:08.280 That we're paper. But that's a famous deer hunting line. Yeah, 1:40:08.439 --> 1:40:11.120 I know that one. As soon as you're on paper, 1:40:11.439 --> 1:40:13.680 you can just squeeze twice. And like you said, there 1:40:13.680 --> 1:40:16.920 are different rings. But we weren't playing by those rules today. 1:40:16.960 --> 1:40:19.000 You just said, hey, we just want two hits on paper. 1:40:19.200 --> 1:40:22.760 So I didn't really tell myself that's that's why I 1:40:22.800 --> 1:40:27.000 was going to come out with my own tournament and 1:40:27.160 --> 1:40:29.720 shrink those targets way down so we could do that. 1:40:30.360 --> 1:40:32.920 So today we shot what was called time plus, which 1:40:32.960 --> 1:40:34.680 is how much time did it take for you to 1:40:34.720 --> 1:40:39.639 run to the stage plus penalties. Right, so time plus scoring. Um, 1:40:39.680 --> 1:40:42.519 if we did something along the lines of USPS a 1:40:42.640 --> 1:40:46.000 multa gun um like comstock, then there would be a 1:40:46.040 --> 1:40:51.479 points system depending upon the accuracy. Right, So so we 1:40:51.479 --> 1:40:55.759 we could we could dig into this crazy stuff um comstock. Uh, 1:40:55.920 --> 1:41:01.400 scoring with three guns is not normal, but it certainly happens, 1:41:01.520 --> 1:41:05.720 right and it is perhaps so I could specialize into that. Right, 1:41:05.920 --> 1:41:07.599 So if that meant a lot to me, I would 1:41:07.600 --> 1:41:10.519 recommend for you to start shooting usps A matches because 1:41:10.520 --> 1:41:15.719 that really will emphasize more more, more accuracy. Yeah for sure. Um, 1:41:15.760 --> 1:41:17.640 but again, you know, it was so cool watching you 1:41:17.680 --> 1:41:21.120 guys uh progress. And then when we ended on the 1:41:21.160 --> 1:41:23.680 shotgun would showing the quad load because I'm like, I 1:41:23.720 --> 1:41:25.360 save that kind of for last, because you know how 1:41:25.400 --> 1:41:28.120 to shoot a shotgun right for the most part. If 1:41:28.200 --> 1:41:29.960 if you've shot a shotgun before, you could go into 1:41:29.960 --> 1:41:32.040 a three gun competition and kind of figure your way out. 1:41:32.080 --> 1:41:35.360 It's just the reloading part. And then again startling around 1:41:35.360 --> 1:41:37.120 to those quad loads you with your eyes light up 1:41:37.120 --> 1:41:41.120 like saucers is so cool. There's another cool modification to 1:41:41.200 --> 1:41:45.160 that shotgun is that the gosh I don't know what 1:41:45.200 --> 1:41:47.320 you call that little part, but basically just when you're 1:41:47.320 --> 1:41:49.320 looking down into the tube and you can just see 1:41:49.360 --> 1:41:51.840 the brass end if you have a shell loaded in there, 1:41:51.920 --> 1:41:56.559 right and if the guns upside down, the lip that 1:41:56.720 --> 1:41:59.200 normally would just be perfectly around it is sort of 1:41:59.360 --> 1:42:03.439 shaved and ramped so that as you're sliding those two 1:42:03.520 --> 1:42:06.360 in there, your thumb doesn't catch and you don't have 1:42:06.439 --> 1:42:08.160 to push it quite as far in there for it 1:42:08.240 --> 1:42:12.479 to catch. That's a nice modification. Yes, So he's talking 1:42:12.520 --> 1:42:15.719 about is the receiver. The actual receiver at the bottom 1:42:15.720 --> 1:42:17.439 of the shotgun, where the lifter is, where the shells 1:42:17.479 --> 1:42:20.960 going is opened up. So we called those milled receivers. 1:42:21.000 --> 1:42:23.759 So some people go into the CNC machine, they'll actually 1:42:23.800 --> 1:42:26.479 mill those outlets, have a program for it. And what 1:42:26.560 --> 1:42:28.560 I did with my first shotgun is I took a 1:42:28.640 --> 1:42:31.000 dreambal tool and I went to town and you'll find 1:42:31.000 --> 1:42:34.479 that motion. Oh hell yeah. Most competitive shooters, we are. 1:42:35.000 --> 1:42:37.200 And it's funny because I've ran into other people across 1:42:37.240 --> 1:42:40.000 country who they teach classes, but they're not in the 1:42:40.040 --> 1:42:43.040 competitive world, and so I'm shielded. I started. You just 1:42:43.080 --> 1:42:45.519 heard my story. I started competitive shooting six months after 1:42:45.560 --> 1:42:47.799 the first time I bought a gun. So I've almost 1:42:47.840 --> 1:42:51.800 exclusively lived in the competitive shooting world. I'm not exposed 1:42:51.840 --> 1:42:55.479 to the recreational shooter, uh per se, and so I'm 1:42:55.479 --> 1:42:59.760 not made privy to those weird um ideas that they have. 1:43:00.520 --> 1:43:02.599 And one of those ideas is that you can't modify 1:43:02.640 --> 1:43:05.439 your firearm and have it still be safe. We're in 1:43:05.439 --> 1:43:08.840 competitive shooting. We will take a Drumbell tool to our 1:43:08.920 --> 1:43:11.920 gun at blink of an eye. I mean we we 1:43:11.960 --> 1:43:14.760 will get right in there and open everything up and 1:43:14.800 --> 1:43:18.519 make it way better. Oh yeah, without having that like 1:43:19.080 --> 1:43:21.880 well it's grandpa's old. Well we're not gonna do that 1:43:21.960 --> 1:43:24.280 to Grandpa's because Grandpa's got is not sophisticated enough for 1:43:24.320 --> 1:43:30.120 our purposes. We totally the total length that we actually ran, yes, 1:43:30.360 --> 1:43:32.559 which I'll I will say that I don't think I 1:43:32.640 --> 1:43:36.320 ever actually hit run For me personally, I might have 1:43:36.360 --> 1:43:39.679 gotten to like a you have a very long day shuffle, 1:43:39.920 --> 1:43:44.800 so you you would do like this this long saunter over. Yeah, 1:43:44.920 --> 1:43:46.519 I feel like it would almost slow me down if 1:43:46.520 --> 1:43:48.360 I got up to top speed. It would take me 1:43:48.400 --> 1:43:51.000 so much again come to a stop or slow down 1:43:51.080 --> 1:43:59.439 or whatever. But again, we can spend so much time 1:43:59.600 --> 1:44:03.479 on this. Um. Yeah, so there a question is is 1:44:03.479 --> 1:44:06.519 about this? Is like we only roughly we went fifty yards, 1:44:06.520 --> 1:44:08.559 are still right from where we started to where we 1:44:08.760 --> 1:44:11.479 stopped shooting the pistol. There were other targets that were farther. 1:44:11.800 --> 1:44:15.040 We shot with the rifle right at the hundred. But like, 1:44:15.200 --> 1:44:17.960 how much is actual you looked at when I see you, 1:44:18.040 --> 1:44:20.479 I think that person is an athlete? How much is 1:44:20.600 --> 1:44:24.400 athleticism really play in this? Good question? Yeah, No, that's 1:44:24.439 --> 1:44:27.479 an excellent question. So I will tell you right now 1:44:27.680 --> 1:44:31.080 that it makes a big difference. But you don't have 1:44:31.240 --> 1:44:34.479 to be incredibly athletic in order to be successful in 1:44:34.880 --> 1:44:37.960 action shooting, right. And so to give you an example, 1:44:38.000 --> 1:44:40.360 there's this guy back home. His name is Don Celeski. 1:44:40.479 --> 1:44:43.439 Actually he I don't know if he's familiar with y'all, 1:44:43.439 --> 1:44:45.760 but he's got an Africa whole bunch to hunt and 1:44:45.800 --> 1:44:48.400 stuff like. He's such a cool guy anyway. So he's 1:44:48.439 --> 1:44:51.599 this old geezer. He wears two knee braces, right, and 1:44:51.680 --> 1:44:54.320 he like has this hunch, but he is like the 1:44:54.360 --> 1:44:58.840 most accurate person ever. He takes his sweet time, but 1:44:58.920 --> 1:45:02.200 he's just accurate and he places very well. And there 1:45:02.240 --> 1:45:04.439 there are a lot of people who don't necessarily have 1:45:04.479 --> 1:45:07.439 the economy of movement, but there when they do pull 1:45:07.479 --> 1:45:10.439 that trigger, they mean every time, they're very efficient and 1:45:10.479 --> 1:45:13.200 so they do well. Right, But when you get up 1:45:13.200 --> 1:45:17.160 to that upper you know, level, that upper of shooters, 1:45:17.320 --> 1:45:22.080 the athleticism does make a difference because, um, the when 1:45:22.320 --> 1:45:26.000 you are being very very conscious of how you're moving 1:45:26.000 --> 1:45:28.960 your body, that's efficiency, and that when we start breaking 1:45:28.960 --> 1:45:32.240 down the tents of a second, the difference of Um, 1:45:32.280 --> 1:45:34.719 like what you said, when you're sauntering over, you concern 1:45:34.760 --> 1:45:39.080 about stopping in time, so we do like a stutter step, right, 1:45:39.200 --> 1:45:43.880 So the difference between having a efficient stutter step into 1:45:44.080 --> 1:45:46.000 a stop and already having your gun up on a 1:45:46.040 --> 1:45:49.200 target versus running somewhere, stopping and then drawing could be 1:45:49.240 --> 1:45:50.880 two tents of a second, and that could be the 1:45:50.880 --> 1:45:54.520 difference between winning or losing a match. So it's like choreography. 1:45:54.640 --> 1:45:56.880 It is choreography, So you don't necessarily have to be 1:45:56.960 --> 1:45:59.720 athletic per se, but you have to really understand how 1:45:59.720 --> 1:46:01.400 to move a body in efficient way. I can see 1:46:01.400 --> 1:46:05.280 at a point like competitively, Um, you could be like 1:46:05.320 --> 1:46:07.920 a great shooter and have great hand eye coordination, but 1:46:08.000 --> 1:46:10.120 in the end of like you would save seconds off 1:46:10.160 --> 1:46:13.320 your time if you were super agile. And again it 1:46:13.360 --> 1:46:17.240 isn't necessarily like you're proving everything like your equipment. You're 1:46:17.360 --> 1:46:20.160 trying to make your equipment maximized. You're trying to make 1:46:20.200 --> 1:46:23.200 your your procedures and methods maximized. Like you're probably gonna 1:46:23.240 --> 1:46:27.040 wind up maximizing the physical component. Like you want to 1:46:27.080 --> 1:46:29.519 make everything better, right, Like how are you using your 1:46:29.560 --> 1:46:32.160 body and space? Are you being specific with your movements 1:46:32.280 --> 1:46:36.519 or just yeah, you're all over the place and it's yeah, 1:46:36.760 --> 1:46:41.640 undermining efficiency. I guess absolutely absolutely what observations questions you 1:46:41.680 --> 1:46:45.720 got grind, I guess, uh where where you feel like 1:46:45.720 --> 1:46:51.080 the application is to hunting and you know the speed 1:46:51.680 --> 1:46:54.680 or I was talking to Garrett earlier and he was 1:46:54.720 --> 1:47:00.680 saying one thing about practicing three gun is like target acquisition. 1:47:00.840 --> 1:47:06.000 So something right like if something an animal is is 1:47:06.080 --> 1:47:10.880 moving you're looking carefully, is moving between trees disappears, you know, 1:47:10.920 --> 1:47:14.840 there's some kind of speed, the accuracy, like you're just 1:47:14.880 --> 1:47:19.080 trying to dial that in. I've seen more game get 1:47:19.120 --> 1:47:21.960 the slip on someone because they didn't get on it 1:47:22.000 --> 1:47:24.320 and shoot when they should have. Then then they missed 1:47:26.720 --> 1:47:29.800 like like right right right there, and the like I 1:47:29.800 --> 1:47:34.400 can't find it. I'm like getting on. I think getting on. 1:47:34.479 --> 1:47:36.360 I think the shotgun stuff is really good for like 1:47:36.400 --> 1:47:39.439 just being fast, especially picture and like hunting cotton tails 1:47:39.560 --> 1:47:42.360 or you know, quail whatever, like wing shooting. I think 1:47:42.360 --> 1:47:44.479 that just that ability to like see something and shoot, 1:47:44.479 --> 1:47:49.080 see something shoot, I think, um, that's probably I guess 1:47:49.080 --> 1:47:51.040 the most obvious ones. And then also just a thing 1:47:51.120 --> 1:47:58.160 of like learning that mindset of being methodical, being finicky 1:47:58.200 --> 1:48:01.920 about your gear, knowing that like this goes there, that 1:48:01.960 --> 1:48:04.680 goes there. I do this, This is my routine, This 1:48:04.760 --> 1:48:08.840 is my method, you know, I shoot this way right, 1:48:09.320 --> 1:48:14.880 and um like getting in that mind frame of procedure. Uh, 1:48:15.600 --> 1:48:19.040 it's helpful, But I don't know that it would. I 1:48:19.080 --> 1:48:21.519 think that there'd be like more like if you wanted 1:48:21.560 --> 1:48:26.760 to just train to uh just trained to be a 1:48:26.760 --> 1:48:29.639 wing shooter or just trained to be a good big 1:48:29.640 --> 1:48:33.799 game hunter, I think you would find ways to train 1:48:34.280 --> 1:48:37.800 obviously much more specifically. It wouldn't be as much fun, 1:48:38.240 --> 1:48:41.760 but you can train much more specifically. I think that's 1:48:41.800 --> 1:48:45.040 a great point is working on those those transitions and 1:48:45.160 --> 1:48:47.600 understanding your scope, going from that dialed in you know, 1:48:47.640 --> 1:48:49.519 three power at hud yards all the way down to 1:48:49.800 --> 1:48:53.160 you know, one point five to one. And yeah, I 1:48:53.200 --> 1:48:56.280 think that there's a lot more applicable with hunting shooting. 1:48:56.320 --> 1:49:00.120 I believe overall competitive shooting makes you very proficient with 1:49:00.479 --> 1:49:06.160 your platforms, right, and it's just general firearm handling. You 1:49:06.160 --> 1:49:09.200 guys fiddle around with your stuff, you know that, oh 1:49:09.960 --> 1:49:13.280 how this work well? And that's the thing. When I 1:49:13.400 --> 1:49:16.120 first walked into a gun shop when I was you know, 1:49:16.240 --> 1:49:19.120 newer to it. You know, I remember sitting there so nervous, 1:49:19.520 --> 1:49:21.599 like I couldn't remember how to pull back the slide 1:49:21.640 --> 1:49:25.640 and have it stay open, and you know, all those controls. 1:49:25.760 --> 1:49:29.000 Just it made me anxious. And now it's like if 1:49:29.040 --> 1:49:31.040 I walk into a gun shop, normally, if they see 1:49:31.080 --> 1:49:33.880 me handle a gun, they just stepped back and they're like, really, 1:49:33.880 --> 1:49:39.559 you do things clearly, you know what you're doing, but 1:49:40.040 --> 1:49:44.000 you know so again, when you take it upon yourself 1:49:44.320 --> 1:49:47.120 to be a better marksman, whether if it's through competitute, 1:49:47.160 --> 1:49:51.240 Tissian shooting or another avenue, than overall your understanding of 1:49:51.240 --> 1:49:55.479 firearms is going to expand exponentially. And the difference between 1:49:55.479 --> 1:49:57.639 competition just going to the range of practice is that 1:49:57.720 --> 1:50:00.120 you now have you have all of these rules, as 1:50:00.160 --> 1:50:02.920 you have people who are pushing you, You have ways 1:50:02.960 --> 1:50:06.200 to gauge your improvement, and you have something to hold 1:50:06.200 --> 1:50:09.000 you accountable. It's a very social support, right, and so 1:50:09.160 --> 1:50:11.519 every you know, weekend or once a month, or however 1:50:11.560 --> 1:50:13.599 much you want to compete, you have your buddies there 1:50:13.600 --> 1:50:16.760 at the range, and the commodity is incredible, and so 1:50:16.880 --> 1:50:19.760 you you build this this conjured spiritment. They hold you accountable, 1:50:19.760 --> 1:50:21.400 Like if you don't choke for a match or two, 1:50:21.400 --> 1:50:23.800 they're like, hey, where the heck were you? Um and 1:50:23.880 --> 1:50:28.120 so again that dairy queen. If you're not safe, they're 1:50:28.120 --> 1:50:30.240 not gonna if you're not safe, yeah, they're not gonna 1:50:30.240 --> 1:50:32.280 ascend to dairy queen if you just don't show up, Like, hey, 1:50:32.479 --> 1:50:35.240 you know, I think you deserve it. You hold accountable. 1:50:35.280 --> 1:50:37.640 I meant like, there's like a very I would like 1:50:37.680 --> 1:50:42.439 to point out that there is a um extremely strong 1:50:42.560 --> 1:50:46.439 emphasis on safe handling. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean you know, 1:50:46.600 --> 1:50:48.960 and y'all probably saw it today. I would get asked 1:50:48.960 --> 1:50:51.040 a question, but then out of the periphle of my eye, 1:50:51.080 --> 1:50:53.680 if I saw something I didn't like, I'm like, I 1:50:53.800 --> 1:50:55.400 literally hold up my hand be like, hey, what are 1:50:55.400 --> 1:50:57.840 you doing over there? You know? Are you breaking the 1:50:57.880 --> 1:51:00.000 one A d are you? You know? Loading that guy? 1:51:00.000 --> 1:51:01.880 And when I didn't tell you loaded or you know whatever? 1:51:02.400 --> 1:51:05.720 Uh so we are above. There's a lot going on. 1:51:05.720 --> 1:51:08.000 You gotta pay You gotta be like spatially aware what's happening. 1:51:09.080 --> 1:51:11.120 You have to be very aware. Tell tell people how 1:51:11.120 --> 1:51:13.040 to tell people how to find if they want to 1:51:13.040 --> 1:51:14.920 come check out because Instagram is cool, because you can 1:51:14.920 --> 1:51:16.600 see what you kind of get like a sense you 1:51:16.600 --> 1:51:18.479 put videos up and ship like that. Yeah. So I 1:51:18.720 --> 1:51:21.040 put videos up on and I'm probably more strong on 1:51:21.160 --> 1:51:23.759 Instagram than anything. People keep telling me to do YouTube. 1:51:23.800 --> 1:51:27.400 So I don't know any girl. H three gun girl 1:51:27.560 --> 1:51:30.640 is Instagram. Um, and you're writing your videos are on 1:51:30.720 --> 1:51:33.519 guns dot com they are? Yeah, So I do so 1:51:33.560 --> 1:51:35.640 all my travels because we're talking earlier about how I 1:51:35.760 --> 1:51:37.479 live in a camp for travel across country. I post 1:51:37.520 --> 1:51:39.240 all those to my stories so you can see my 1:51:39.240 --> 1:51:43.280 awesome photography from you know where I'm at. All my stories, um, 1:51:43.360 --> 1:51:45.960 and then all the videos that I do on fire 1:51:45.960 --> 1:51:48.559 and reviews, educational videos, those are with guns dot Com. 1:51:48.640 --> 1:51:51.559 So they have a YouTube channel, which is like probably 1:51:51.560 --> 1:51:54.879 the most popular platform, and then they have a website 1:51:54.880 --> 1:51:57.280 as well. Um. But that's that's most the work that 1:51:57.320 --> 1:51:58.920 I do for them. So that's that's how you can 1:51:58.960 --> 1:52:00.800 find me. And then where if people want to go 1:52:00.800 --> 1:52:03.400 and they want to go, uh spectate at a three 1:52:03.400 --> 1:52:06.559 gun tournament, what's sort of like the what's like the 1:52:06.560 --> 1:52:09.759 hot website for seeing what's going on in that world? Ah? Yes, okay, 1:52:09.840 --> 1:52:11.960 so this is the moment I have been waiting for 1:52:12.000 --> 1:52:15.040 this entire podcast. If you want to get into competitions shooting, 1:52:15.479 --> 1:52:19.400 um look at So first of all, go to practice score. 1:52:19.560 --> 1:52:22.960 So that is like think of the word practice and 1:52:23.000 --> 1:52:27.439 then the words score, so it's actually practice score, sear 1:52:28.080 --> 1:52:31.479 not practice practice score. Yeah, practice score. So go to 1:52:31.479 --> 1:52:34.759 practice score, pull up your town and you could type 1:52:34.800 --> 1:52:37.519 in us P s A three gun whatever. You could 1:52:37.520 --> 1:52:39.360 just plug in your town or your state, like I 1:52:39.360 --> 1:52:41.479 already pulled him up in Montana. There's a club in 1:52:41.520 --> 1:52:44.439 Big Sky UM that does usps A competition, so I 1:52:44.520 --> 1:52:46.879 might try to hop into one of those UM anyways, 1:52:46.880 --> 1:52:48.320 So you could go there and figure out where your 1:52:48.320 --> 1:52:51.880 local competition is from there, then you could get the 1:52:51.920 --> 1:52:54.920 contact information for the match director and ask him like hey, 1:52:55.000 --> 1:52:58.240 I'm a new shooter, I need gear or I need advice, 1:52:58.439 --> 1:53:02.400 and I would guarantee that they're going to be helpful 1:53:02.680 --> 1:53:05.400 to you and getting into competition shooting. And then on 1:53:05.400 --> 1:53:09.200 Facebook you could just research local groups and they're yeah, okay, 1:53:09.240 --> 1:53:16.000 so Instagram at n H three like numeral three gun girl. 1:53:16.640 --> 1:53:19.560 That's it. And then practical score. If you want to 1:53:19.560 --> 1:53:22.920 get into competitions and guns dot com, great you are 1:53:23.080 --> 1:53:27.439 l just lay it right out yeah, it's very it's 1:53:27.520 --> 1:53:31.559 very guns Stockholm. That's why I love it. The problem though, 1:53:31.640 --> 1:53:33.160 is because it says dot com. When you start to 1:53:33.200 --> 1:53:35.519 type it into social media, they automatically want to like 1:53:35.600 --> 1:53:38.599 link to. And it's like when I'm texting someone about 1:53:38.640 --> 1:53:40.479 guns dot com and automatically is trying to give me 1:53:40.479 --> 1:53:42.680 the website. I'm like, no, I'm just trying to say it. 1:53:42.680 --> 1:53:46.680 I don't want to share it, but I digress. Well, 1:53:46.680 --> 1:53:50.240 thank you, Taylor Thorne. Thanks for it was a great day. 1:53:50.960 --> 1:53:53.840 It was like a genuine range day, awesome day. It 1:53:53.960 --> 1:53:56.200 was a range day and it was a fun range day. 1:53:56.720 --> 1:54:20.799 It was awesome, all right. Thanks a lot. Thank you.