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Speaker 1: predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators are the

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Speaker 1: you stand with on X. Okay, we're joined, Uh, the

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Speaker 1: second Taylor we've had in a row. Now, whether Cran

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Speaker 1: by the second Taylor in a row, though it might

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Speaker 1: not be how you hear it, because that depends on

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Speaker 1: but for us second tailor Roll. Both with a great

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Speaker 1: thought from bex. A couple things we gotta take care of,

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Speaker 1: to do a favor for a listener. We don't often

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Speaker 1: get actual handwritten fans. Oh we can still get a

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Speaker 1: lot of it. Well, the it's flow to me had

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Speaker 1: male That's why you found that mail to you in

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Speaker 1: Dylan because his wife say his name again shrup, And

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Speaker 1: gone by when a leaf, when a tree loses it leaves,

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Speaker 1: it's mostly going by photo period. This guy has some

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Speaker 1: interesting ship because this guy takes care of solar arrays,

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Speaker 1: who are listening, we're talking about Travis Gibson of MGM Targets,

426
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: Okay and easy, a pro three gunner, Yeah, okay, still now, well,

427
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,479
Speaker 1: he's definitely an industry yeah, very well known. And he

428
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: was saying that he had one recently where he shot

429
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: sixteen stages. Is former military? Is it bad that I

430
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know, I don't know's I don't know.

431
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but I would I would hate to

432
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: say if if he did have a stint. And but

433
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 1: that's not how we got into all of this. There

434
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: was there was nothing. I know that for a fact,

435
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: Seth Bergsy was there and he was former military, right,

436
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: but that's yeah, but that's different. So but there's not

437
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: always that that military crossover, um. But just to step backwards.

438
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: So it depends on the size the level. We call

439
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: them different levels of three gun competitions. So your normal

440
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: local match will have again five to seven, you know,

441
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: maybe eight if some match directors like super ambitious, and

442
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: then from there you have sort of your you know,

443
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: maybe regional matches if you will, and those will have

444
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: anywhere from maybe like seven to ten to twelve. And

445
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: then your national level competitions will typically have at least

446
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: twelve plus um, your your average national will be right

447
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: around those early to mid team mark. Uh, you know

448
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: what we ought to do real quick, explain the explain

449
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: the guns you're shooting. You're shooting a a r platform

450
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: rifle like walk through all the and then the shotguns

451
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: like northing I've ever seen and compared to I mean,

452
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: it's the same thing I've ever seen, but I mean

453
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: it's like accessorized the guns. So competition shooters, we have

454
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 1: a lot of fun with our gearsh you have your handgun.

455
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 1: And so keep in mind too that I could spend

456
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: an incredible amount of time to ribing this because there's

457
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: so many different divisions. So you have open division, a

458
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: limited division, and heavy metal. I'm not even going to

459
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: dig into it because yeah, you have to explain that

460
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: so that you remember you when you asked earlier today,

461
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: you said, does anyone shoot anything other than nine? Like

462
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: do they go for the bigger calibers? That's heavy metal.

463
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: So those guys are shooting like a forty or forty five.

464
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: They have a twelve gage shotgun. Um, and then with

465
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: the rifle, they're using a larger caliber rifle, so they're

466
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: not using six. Those guys will come out with a

467
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: three o eight. Some of them have like M one grand.

468
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: It's like, it's really cool, but it's a niche thing.

469
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: Those guys are like in their own because because you

470
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: guys are totally mainstream. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. Do

471
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: you have any idea how many competitive three gun shooters

472
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: are there in the country. So it's hard to say numbers,

473
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: but when you guestimate. So when when I've talked with

474
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: people about marketing in the past, what we have said

475
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 1: is that like, let's say you have a social media

476
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: account or you know, whatever it is. If you gather

477
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: ten thousand, you probably have most of the market, right,

478
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: So that is the number that I could come to

479
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: the table review. It is yes and no. So it's

480
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: the pre COVID yes right now? Oh yeah, everything. Yeah.

481
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: So it's it's a really weird time because fire ownership

482
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: is obviously rising exponentially. Um, but competition shooting isn't everybody

483
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: traveling somewhere and getting together and having a hole down

484
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: is well no, So the problem is that most of

485
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: the competitions have been canceled. Right. So I was supposed

486
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: to have hit the road back in March, but then

487
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: nationals got canceled or postponed, I should say, um, and

488
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: then another area match got postponed. So all these things

489
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: have been either postponed or canceled, right. Um, so that

490
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: was a big issue. So how are you supposed to

491
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: get more people involved if we are postponing or canceling

492
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: all the competition? But when and I someone to get

493
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: back to the walk through the guns? But real quick,

494
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: when did someone first utter the words three gun tournament?

495
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't ten was it ten years ago? Oh no

496
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: longer than that twenty Um, I would say three gun tournament. Yeah, match,

497
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: like you could have gone to a three gun match

498
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: a decade ago. Oh absolutely, Yeah. So the the O

499
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: G guys, I mean they come back from you know,

500
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: early two thousand's and it all started. Um it was

501
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: like a law enforcement match basically where they ended up

502
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: inviting um, you know, people who were non l e

503
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: O and then you young whipper snappers started beating them

504
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: at their own game. It just evolved. Yeah, it evolved.

505
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: So it's it's been around for a while. Um, but

506
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: maybe because of sources like YouTube, I think is probably

507
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: why it's gained perhaps more public light, because it's getting

508
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: more exposure where before we were just kind of doing

509
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: our own thing and then maybe knew about it. Does

510
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: that make sense? Yeah, okay, do the guns, but do

511
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: it like if you imagine one being on a sliding scale.

512
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: A one treatment would be rifle, pistol, shotgun. A ten

513
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: treatment would be like, um, this trigger tuned this way, okay,

514
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: this upper, this lower Sarah coated like that's one in ten.

515
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: Hit me with like a five okay five. The guns, Yeah,

516
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 1: so I'll try not to dub it down to like

517
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: a three or four, but you have your handgun right. Again,

518
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: it depends on your division as to what handgun you

519
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: are going to shoot, but typically we're looking at nine

520
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: millimeter when it comes to three gun in particular. Um,

521
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: there's other disciplines out there where it can make a difference,

522
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: but we're going to leave that out of picture. And

523
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that more for the listeners who are like,

524
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: what about major power factor? We're just talking about three

525
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: gun right now? So that yeah, that listener, right, So

526
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: we're just talking about three guns. So it's going to

527
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: be nine millimeter semi automatic. Uh So today we were

528
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: shooting SIGs the X five legions. Is that where you

529
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: normally shoot? That's my gun, That's what I have. Yeah,

530
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: so that's what a lot of people are going to

531
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: be shooting as a striker fire firearm like that. Uh

532
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: and then you have a lot of really great limited

533
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: or open guns that you could introduce as well. So

534
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: all that is doing just so y'aller no, or those

535
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: are custom built firearms that are made out of their

536
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: their all metal, right, all metal, like think of a

537
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: nineteen eleven. Are you familiar with the eleven? No, ninety.

538
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: Imagine everything you love about a nineteen eleven and then

539
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: you add twice the m oh oh oh yeah, because

540
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: they're because they're because they're staggered in the magazine or

541
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: what cor Right, So it's a double stacked like a glock.

542
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: Pistols staggered magazine. Right, that's why they're still like burly

543
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: in the hand group. But it's um But a glock

544
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: is a strike a fire. It's polymer gun, where a

545
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: nineteen eleven it's nice and it's it's heavy, and it

546
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: fits great and they shoot nice and flat. Right. Uh.

547
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 1: Son are typically custom built. I mean you have some

548
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: that are factory built as well, but in some form

549
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: or fashion there's some sort of hand fitting going on.

550
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: So they tend to be pretty expensive than open guns.

551
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: Uh So at the end of the a R you

552
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: know how there is a you know, uh, there's a

553
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: compensator at the end. Basically there's this muzzle break. So

554
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: you put that on a pistol. And when you put

555
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: that on pistol along with some other things, and again

556
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm really dumbing it down. Oh no, no, no, no,

557
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: you would have known. So again for those listeners that

558
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: are going in, I'm I'm dubbing this down to probably

559
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: a three right now, right, Okay, I'm not going to

560
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: get an open guns and its entirety because you can

561
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: see my enthusiasm. But oh, I want to go eleven.

562
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: But you put a compensator at the end of those pistols,

563
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: that's an open gun. Uh, that is going to keep

564
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: you shooting. Just flat flat fluff flaff flaights awesome. So

565
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: there's different divisions, but they're mostly all going to be

566
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: chambered in nine and you shoot, so you should open

567
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: site too, but you do use a red dot. Okay,

568
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: So just so people don't get confused, open guns typically

569
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: have optics on the handgun. What what Steve meant what

570
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: open site is iron sight? So I was shooting an

571
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: iron sight fire. I do both. So I had the

572
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: week before Nationals. Both my primary and my backup red

573
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 1: dot went down in the same week before Nationals, so

574
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: I went back to irons and I just haven't gotten

575
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: the gumption to buy two more. And because I live

576
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: on the road, right, the warrant he thing, it doesn't

577
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: really matter because shipping is a nightmare. So yeah, they

578
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: warrant heated. So I have one sitting in New Hampshire,

579
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: somewhere where you're going. Yeah, I mean I don't know

580
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: where I'm going to be too. Are you? Are you

581
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: breaking all those I had a red dot my kid

582
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: broken like five minutes. What because like, like, here's a

583
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: glass thing to put on the end of a gun

584
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: like thing. He's going to do with it? That's no excuse.

585
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,239
Speaker 1: He instantly broke it, broke it in two ways, like,

586
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: broke it twice. That completely unrelated breaks. Wow, because I

587
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: mean you stripped the head on, stripped some of the hardware.

588
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: He's an animal, well, and then broke the glass. You

589
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: should have him to You aren't act like he didn't

590
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: know what happened. Wow, that's impressive. Well, I am really

591
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: rough on on this stuff, and mine just broke sort

592
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: of because I think that it's over time, right, so

593
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: the electronic component was no longer functioning. So what happens.

594
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: You would turn on and I would think it was on.

595
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: I'd start to engage targets, and then um, the dot

596
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: would just disappear, which is really inconvenient when you're in

597
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: the middle of the stage. Yeah, and that happened at

598
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: both kind of like iron sights. Just the reliability, Yeah,

599
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: I know, sad um, ask some more pills you got,

600
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: Yani Yani? He kind of he might have question. No, No,

601
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: I think we're pretty I was just gonna say, we

602
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: can move on to the shotgun. Yeah, going in backwards order.

603
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: I guess it doesn't matter. It could be whatever you want. Yeah,

604
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: you taught us in backwards order. Why do you say

605
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: that because we started with yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I

606
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 1: had my reasons for that. So what Steve was saying

607
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: is that, you know, the stage we shot today was rifle, shotgun,

608
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: then pistol. But that's not fixed either. It could be

609
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: that was just today. But I taught them pistol, rifle,

610
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: then shotguns. So that's why he's saying I taught backwards

611
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: But anyways, that's a different conversation. I had reasons for

612
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: why I did that. So Danny's new nickname is Teacup Ticcop.

613
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: By the way, I love that. I think it fits

614
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: you very well. Well. I told him earlier that it

615
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: was going to really suck to get whooped and burned

616
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: by Teacup. I guess what happened? How does that feel?

617
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: What was my stage name? Oh wait wait wait facebox

618
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: facebox spots. Yeah, I poured dribbled t all over your

619
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: face box. I am so sorry. This has just brought

620
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 1: up a lot of really weird I will stick away

621
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: from that. So the shotgun, that is, people ask me

622
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: all the time, what's your favorite gun? And I hate

623
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: answering that. Didn't you say that earlier? Someone asked you, like,

624
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 1: what's your Because it depends on the application, right, So

625
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: it's all depended upon the situation as to what my

626
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: quote unquote favor gun. But I will say, if I'm

627
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: having a bad day, the shotgun will always make me happy.

628
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: There's just something so fun about that scattered gun. And

629
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: the other thing is I do think it's really versatile. Right.

630
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: So the shotgun, Um, you could do a close quarter

631
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: stuff with it, right, Um, you could do home defense,

632
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: you could go hunting with it. You have a bird shot,

633
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: you have slugs, you have you know, buckshot, and then

634
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: you could choke it too different patterns. So there is

635
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: a lot of versatility with that fire. But the shotguns

636
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: that we use for a three gun are semi automatic.

637
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: There's some heavy metal guys that like to torture themselves

638
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: with pump but that's very very rare in this competition.

639
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: Most everyone's going to be semi automatic fire UM for

640
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 1: the shotgun and real quick on that on the heavy

641
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: metal guys UM, so a pump a guy could theoretically

642
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: be competing. I should point out to people that they're

643
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: competing for time, like you have to hit the targets,

644
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: but it's like doing it all really quickly. So a

645
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: person would go toe to toe with a slide action

646
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: shotgun need to go toe to toe with someone shooting

647
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 1: a semiauto and still have a prayer to win if

648
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: they're good enough. There's very very few people that are

649
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: good enough to do that, but there are one or

650
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: two out there who who do. And you have to

651
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: have the shotgun for it, right because as y'all know,

652
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: there's some pump action shotguns that are just smooth as butter.

653
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: It's like it practically does it for you. And then

654
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: there's others that like forget about it, like that's not happening.

655
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: So somebody automatic and then twelve gauge UM. Technically per

656
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: the rules, some like twenty gauge would be acceptable, but

657
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: no one does that. You're just giving yourself less bbs

658
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: to have on target. And in my personal experience, a

659
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: twelve and twenty gauge when you're shooting. Semi automatic shotguns

660
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: have about the same amount of recoil um. So I

661
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: don't see the benefit with an extended tube that extends

662
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 1: out the end so far that I thought that your

663
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: shotgun was going to hit the tube. Yeah right, the

664
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: gun was going to actually blow the end of the magazine.

665
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: It does, not sticking out way past the barrel. It

666
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: is so these shotguns look, they look really crazy. It's all.

667
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: It's all too It's all. The tube is what you're seeing.

668
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: So the barrel is a normal link barrel of anything.

669
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: It might be slightly shorter than what you would use

670
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: really sporting plays or whatever, but the tube is is yeah,

671
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: it's on yours. Yeah yeah, yeah, is like way too

672
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: long for this game. There's no use for it because

673
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: most everything that we do is pretty close with the shotgun. Right.

674
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: You might get some aerial clay presentations, but it's so

675
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: far in between. You're not wanting to because a maneuverability

676
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: factor because that the actube is already so long. I mean,

677
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: you don't want to add to weight because weight is

678
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: a big factor. You get you're so fatigued. I mean, Karen,

679
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: you know because my shoulders or yeah, oh is your

680
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: shoulder bruised up from shooting today? No, I don't think. So.

681
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: It was just when I was, uh that that gun

682
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: just kept kind of yeah yeah, just like stopping and

683
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: you know, and then I was like, I just took

684
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: breaks in the middle because my shoulders just posturing and

685
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: holding it a little tired, and just they got they

686
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: got Bernie. Yeah waits waight. It's huge. So I just

687
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: had a whole chain of thoughts go through my head.

688
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: That was probably an eleven in terms of like, oh,

689
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: all the fun accessories I have on my shotguns. So

690
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to rill it in a five. So I'm

691
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: gonna drop it right there. So what I shoot just

692
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: that people are curious as a bread to be twelve eye,

693
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: which is basically the same as a Vanilli in two right,

694
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: which is very comparable to what you were shooting today

695
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 1: with weather be very similar platform, but with the aftermarket

696
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: like specialized everything. Yeah yeah, so strip it down and

697
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: put all new parts on a lot of it. Yeah,

698
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: So uh I Dissident Arms is very very common aftermarket

699
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: company in the competition world. So that crazy handguard, that

700
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: the trigger guard, the trigger you know, everything, and then Briley,

701
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: which you'll probably know just from regular shotgun shooting. Uh,

702
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of those parts into it. So it's

703
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: pretty it's pretty juiced up. It's pretty fun. Yeah. Yeah,

704
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: so you spent a lot of time ranching on your gun. Yeah, yeah,

705
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: it's fun. That's uh, that's what we do. And are

706
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: there rules and rigs about what you can do to

707
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: your firearms? Uh? I mean I would imagine, because then

708
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: people might have unfair advantages. But you know, is it

709
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: is it very structured? Is it very kind of boundaried

710
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: around what you can and can't do? Or people can

711
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: get really creative and so yes, So no, again, it's

712
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: it's hard not to spend and I don't want to,

713
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: you know, spend the entire time because I could talk

714
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 1: like for probably an hour talking about the different divisions

715
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: and what's acceptable within those divisions. But in a nutshell

716
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: open which we talked about before, that has a compensator,

717
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: that has the optic, you could pretty much do whatever

718
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: you want. Hence open, it's open to possibilities. You can

719
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: do whatever you want, um as long as it's safe. Right.

720
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: So some people will get really really into their trigger

721
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: work and they'll make it too light, and so now

722
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: the gun is unsafe because they breathe on it and

723
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: the trigger is going on. That's a problem. Whatever the hell.

724
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: It's not a league where there is some governing body

725
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: that yeah yeah, yeah, uh and the same. So it

726
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: just goes upon the vision that you're in is dependent.

727
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: So as shotgun, mag fed shotguns are huge now, I

728
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: would say about three or four years ago, it's a mafed.

729
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: So you know how that the pistol in the rifle,

730
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: those with magazines, it's the lingo. But that's the thing

731
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: is again, I am used to talking to people who

732
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: this is also their world. So I love questions like

733
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: that because I forget about how much is our lingo. Plus,

734
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: there's no like, there's no mag fed shotguns, I should say,

735
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: in like in the mainstream in the in the hunting world,

736
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: because I mean, like unless you go back to you

737
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: like they used to be mag fed bold action shotguns.

738
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: We had a couple that I was laying around, but

739
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: just so like just rare. Right. Well, so two or

740
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: three years ago someone came up to a competition with

741
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: a mag fed shotgun. Everyone would sort of brush it

742
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: off because we're like they're going to have so many

743
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: malfunctions anyways, they're not going to be competitive. Where now

744
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: people show up with mag fe chocun. It's gain popularity incredibly. Uh,

745
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: it's serious business. As someone who's shooting a tube fat chocun.

746
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 1: We can't really compete with that. So again that's why

747
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: we had different divisions. Right, I want to explain. I

748
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: want to explain quad loading real quickly. Oh my god,

749
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: your face. So Taylor has like highly accessorized like a

750
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: belt that holds all the magazines. It's like a tool belt,

751
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: very sophisticated tool belt, and on it was the thing

752
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: that holds Tommy holds shoun eight choculn shells. So y'all's

753
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: had eight, um mine, I have to. I have one

754
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: for eight, one for twelve, okay, And it stacks them

755
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: so that you can just reach down blind. I don't

756
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: try to get too much detail. You can reach down

757
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: blind and pull away four shotgun shells stacked like a

758
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: stack of two and a stack of two and and

759
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: and the stack is end to end, end to end stacked,

760
00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: so you're holding your your hand is gripped around four

761
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:08,479
Speaker 1: shotgun shells stacked end to end. Then she like, in

762
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: a sort of moment of magic, turns the shotgun upside

763
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: down so the so the feeding apparatus is facing up,

764
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: and then loads with one press of the thumb. This

765
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: is free hand shotgun shells. Loads with one press of

766
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: the thumb two into the tube and then two into

767
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: the tube. But in like like a couple of seconds.

768
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, what the hell, it's less than that.

769
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know, it'sensive. It's like, yeah, we're

770
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: talking about in tents earlier, because in competition shooting we

771
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: talk in tents a lot. And they're like, what you're

772
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: You're down to that level. And I'm like, oh yeah, okay,

773
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 1: all right, let's really it back up. The second quad

774
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: loading is really something picture the world duck hunting, where

775
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: it'd just be two that you'd have one of those

776
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: things to your the shoulder strap on your way do

777
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: it and just yeah, instead of like digging around your

778
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: pockets and ship looking for him, you just be like wha.

779
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: It's so much more efficient. And that's what's funny. It's

780
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: coming in today, so normally people the and again that's

781
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: where I could talk about this stuff forever. The evolution

782
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: of loading a shotgund because used to, people would feed

783
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: them in with their thumb one by one, which is

784
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: maybe even how y'all do it right now? I don't,

785
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, um and yeah, forget that stuff. And

786
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 1: then dual loading. So used to because I could dual load,

787
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: uh like eight rounds and about I would say, you know,

788
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: four to five seconds something like that, right, which is

789
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: very respectable, And in my opinion, because I have really

790
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: small hands, I was like, if I could consistently dual load,

791
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: then what's the what is it worth to start quad loading?

792
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: Because it could go wrong real side, you know, sideways,

793
00:45:54,560 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: real quick. Um oh yeah, yeah yeah um. If you

794
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: become proficient qualding, then you're that much more competitive. So

795
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 1: coming in today, I'm like, am I going to make

796
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: these guys quad load? And then I'm like, hell, yeah, no, no,

797
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: it was good to know. Yeah, you guys have got

798
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: to quad load. There's no excuse. I'm not going to

799
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: start you off at these baby steps. We're just going

800
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: for it. And I'm so happy because they'll look on

801
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: your face. You're like I could just see you being

802
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: somewhere hunting and you're like, I need to you know,

803
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: you know, where that will come in handyes on like

804
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: a no plug snow goose hunt or even just like

805
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: just do not. You can't quad load with for ducks

806
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: because it's the three shell maximum, but you can still

807
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: dual load, not for sure. Oh yeah, I mean if

808
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: you imagine just that whole. Sorry to interrupt, but just

809
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: like the different um the way you flip your gun

810
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: up and then how you put your thumb and orient

811
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: your thumb and the way you push it in there,

812
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: you're a lot less apt to get like the messed

813
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: up thumb from jamming it in too far, like everybody

814
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: gets at some point, you know, your thumbs are cold

815
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: there in the duck blind and this is just like

816
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: a much more efficient way to get that business done with. Okay,

817
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: hit us with the rifle. Now, okay, the rifle. So

818
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: the rifle is almost always going to be a our platform,

819
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: rifle chambered in six no way to hold your own

820
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: with any other thing. Oh I mean, people do it again,

821
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: like you know mentioned earlier, People come out with you know,

822
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: fun like end fields or in one grands or whatever.

823
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: They're having fun. But that's the most competitive platform. That's

824
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: what most everyone's going to do. Regardless of you're in

825
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: a limited, an open class, or tactical class. Most everyone

826
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: is shooting uh an a r that's chambered into six.

827
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 1: That's really it. The the other people who are shooting

828
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: different you know rifles that those are the outliers. Those

829
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 1: those are typically your heavy metal guys that are just like,

830
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: we're here to have fun. I got my grandpa's gun

831
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: and we're you know the bayonet. Remember you nearly honest

832
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: nearly stabbed target. It was impressive. Uh yeah, So they'll

833
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: put their bandets on and have fun. And is it

834
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: always is it? It's not always scoped right Like you

835
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: can use a red dot too correct. So if you're

836
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 1: shooting limited, you have a that is an unscoped rightful

837
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: uh unlimited, so you have iron sights. And then so

838
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: I used to shoot limited, I did it with a

839
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 1: red dot, which is unmagnified. So I've literally just got

840
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: that one little dot. So they'll let you use a

841
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: red dot and limited correct and then there's no magnification.

842
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: There's no magnification, it's just a dot um. And then

843
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: when you go up to tactical, which is what we

844
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: were doing them, that's when you introduce magnification. So today

845
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: I think, so Vortex we had this strike Eagle, which

846
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 1: is I shouldn't know because I had one years ago.

847
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: But it's like a one to six, I think, um,

848
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: and then all the way up to the new Vortex raser,

849
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: which is a one to ten and that's a that's

850
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: a beautiful scope and on that. You know, I don't

851
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: know if this is something I think people that hunt

852
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: will appreciate, is you guys have a little contraption for

853
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: dialing magnification. Like normally when you dial magnification on the scope,

854
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 1: that accessory piece that the cattail, Yeah, you gotta grab

855
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: it like you're trying to kill a chicken when normally

856
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: when you go to dial when you go to dial magnification.

857
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: But you guys hooked that little lever on there, yeah,

858
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: which just lets you like like a major mechanical advantage

859
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: these things that walk I don't know if you noticed

860
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: he walked away with one of those Oh you did

861
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: this slow nod. I'm sick of trying to kill chickens

862
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 1: when I want to dial up. Yeah. No, it makes

863
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: dialing up like it really gives you like a strong lever. Yeah, absolutely,

864
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: you can't know why would you not? I mean, but

865
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: that's the thing is that we had to get into

866
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: our gear. That's why earlier I was so enthusiastic about

867
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: talking about all this stuff because we are a how

868
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: do you say, um? Like Yankee ingenuity. If you would

869
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: think of it, you can kind of figure it out. Yeah,

870
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: and the quick dial what's the name brand on that

871
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: quick down view change view was? It had mine with

872
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: me either way? Cat tail right, it looks like a

873
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: cat's tail hanging off there. The reason that comes in

874
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: handy is the first thing you gotta do when they

875
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: say go, you gotta shoot three targets at a hundred yards.

876
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: They're like eight inch plates. It didn't steal. And then

877
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 1: you got also shoot a bunch of ship's super close.

878
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: So you might dial up to make the yard shot good,

879
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: but then you got to really quickly be ready for

880
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: like short shots. And so that saves you a lot

881
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: of fiddle farting around having that cat tail. It does,

882
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: but I imagine even for the hunting world, there could

883
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: be great application for having to do. But then it's

884
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: just like stuff to catch on stuff. And that's true.

885
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: But the ones that you have that that top half

886
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: the part that you grewp on two folds down. M

887
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: he didn't, like I said, he walked away with one.

888
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: But it is. It is interesting. There is a lot

889
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: of I think, things that could potentially go from the

890
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: competition and shooting world into the hunting world. Yeah. Oh

891
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: I was paying attention to that. I was like, I

892
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: was for technological you're taking notes. I think, just like

893
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: some of the mind frame stuff, you know, just like

894
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: staying calm under pressure. All that kind of stuff is

895
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: nople But you didn't. You didn't grow up shooting guns. No, No,

896
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: like almost the opposite, right in a way. I mean

897
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: because I grew up in Houston. It's a huge city.

898
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: And even though it's in Texas, like it's not not

899
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: everyone in Texas has like a gun person. Your parents

900
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: like gunfriendly people. Oh, they were fine with it. I

901
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: mean if you live in Texas, even if you are

902
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: in Austin, which is the most liberal city in Texas,

903
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: there's an assumption that firearms are still okay. Um, like

904
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: we're in New England. If you go to some of

905
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: the states there, like like especially Massachusetts, you start talking

906
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: about guns like people will have you know, act like

907
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: you have three heads. It's like a general kind of naughtiness. Yeah,

908
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: you feel it's like a taboo, which is absolutely terrible.

909
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: But I did not grow up with firearms. Um, like

910
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: you grew up like no guns in the house, no

911
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: guns in the house at all. Yeah, and moving to

912
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: New Hampshire that normal or not? Do more? I bet

913
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: more American households don't than do. I grew up in

914
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: New York City going to the house plenty I was.

915
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: I did not say anything to anybody ever. Yeah. Yeah,

916
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 1: definitely taboo there hidden on my parents bed. No rights.

917
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'll talk about that. Um. Were you

918
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: asking if it's common for people not to grow up

919
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: with firearms too? No, I was just wondering, like the

920
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: split took up, it's changing now new fire and purchases

921
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: are people who didn't have guns before, so that it's

922
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: definitely changing. Yeah yeah, so whatever that that number was,

923
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: it's it's different now. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, my

924
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: so my stupdad used to hunt when we moved to

925
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: New Hampshire. It was because my you know, my mom

926
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: and my stepdad got married. Um, but his version of

927
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: hunting was like he would take his like muzzle loader

928
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: and walk around in the woods it was like a stroll,

929
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: like a leisurely stroll. He got a deal I think

930
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: like fifteen plus years ago once, Um, I'm so sorry.

931
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: That was his groove, like take a most sneak around

932
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: in snowy woods. Yeah, but he never shared that. That

933
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: was never a part of anything. No, no, I was

934
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: never a part of any of them. Actively not invite

935
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: you or just he would just disappear in the morning.

936
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: I mean he would wake up earlier and he was gone,

937
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: and then he was catching a moment. He would show

938
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: back up. Yeah, he was having his moment. So I

939
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: mean whatever, and no hard feelings because I you know,

940
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: I used to race motocross. I had like my own

941
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: thing going on so well, so I actually you saw

942
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,919
Speaker 1: tally Am. I raised four wheelers. So if I raised

943
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: a dirt bike, it would have been sandbagging on like

944
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: a seventy c C with a whole bunch of twelve

945
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: year olds. So with a four wheeler I could write

946
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: a four fifty and be with you know, normal adulton

947
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 1: aged people. You got into that in New Hampshire. Yeah, yeah,

948
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: Well because behind our house, which is in Dumbarton, New Hampshire,

949
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: it's all conservation land. It's called Clough State Park and

950
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: Club State Park is a huge a TV trail system

951
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: and so I got into it from there. So I

952
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: would ride my quad right from uh right from my

953
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: mom's house into the state park. So are you like

954
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: when you were growing up so you did that competitively? Yeah?

955
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: Are you sort of in your head like if you're

956
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: gonna do something, it just turns into competition. Are you

957
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: getting this sense? So when I used to do before

958
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: leaving Houston, kickboxing was big. So I had actually like

959
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: to have like a winner, you have to Yeah, well,

960
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: so kickboxing I actually qualified for the Junior Olympics. Uh yeah,

961
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: but we couldn't uh we couldn't afford it because the

962
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: Olympic trials were I think in Michigan or something like that,

963
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: and so I mean we couldn't afford to go. And

964
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: then my mom was like, and we're moving to New

965
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: Hampshire and there's no good dojos up there. I mean,

966
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure that there. Maybe it was, but not to

967
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: the caliber that I was used to before we had

968
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: a We had a guy we worked with for a

969
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: while and he was he was a skier and was

970
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: wanting to be competit of and we're talking about Olympic

971
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: skiing and all that, and he was saying something interesting

972
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: that there's a point at which your ability to like

973
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: as a young skier, there's a point at which your

974
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: ability to be competitive is tied to the economics of

975
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: your family. Because he's like, rich kids, they ski six

976
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: months of the year in North America, and then they

977
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: spend six months a year in New Zealand. And he's like,

978
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: you're not going to catch those kids skiing six months

979
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: a year. It's just it's just like there's a there's

980
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: a major function of just like can you afford to

981
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: be good? Which is kind of disheartening. It is, it

982
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: is um but I think that if those those people

983
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: who are naturally talented, even if they come from bad

984
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: economic backgrounds, if they have the gumption to market themselves appropriately,

985
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: they could yield that economic benefits. I'm so sorry, I

986
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: just got an image of all these cowboy shooters and

987
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: Steve just being I use sassy people. Uh but yeah,

988
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: I mean, and again I don't see. So this is

989
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: what happens when you shoot three gear. You come home

990
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: with a whole bunch of random ammo like in your pockets.

991
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: That's why. Yeah, that's why you travel the country living

992
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: in a camper. I don't deal with t s A. Well,

993
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: I still deal with t s A because I do

994
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: still fly. But so I'm actually I'm coming out with

995
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: a piece. Um, I'm not sure when it's publishing about

996
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: driving and traveling across country with fire and tell people

997
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: where you right for so, I write for guns dot Com.

998
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: I cover all their competition related content, and I do

999
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: kind of other fun stuff as well, whether if it's

1000
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: reviewing firearms or talking about again when it's like traveling

1001
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: across country with firearms constructional how to Yeah, yeah, and

1002
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: it's not as bad as as people think. You just

1003
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: have to be smart, you know, block your guns um

1004
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: in a separate compartment, so if you're in a car,

1005
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 1: it's in your trunk. If you're in an SUV, just

1006
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: keep it out of reach, right, And then I have

1007
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: your AMMO in a separate compartment that's also locked. Don't

1008
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: have any magazines preloaded. Every state is different some states.

1009
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 1: All that stuff is fine, but you're given the recipe

1010
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: to how to be just cool going from state to

1011
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: state to state to go anywhere. Yeah, that's the recipe

1012
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: for for anywhere and other than that. Um, I always

1013
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 1: keep a copy of PAPA and uh the glob box

1014
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: of my car. So Farms Owners Protection Act. So that

1015
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: is the law, um that protects you from going from

1016
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: one state to the other. So if you are illegal, point,

1017
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: because you might be in a situation where you need

1018
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: to explain it to somebody. Well, so let's say we're

1019
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: leaving New Hampshire and I came down south. Um so

1020
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: New York, New Jersey, all Massachusetts, all those states. Everything

1021
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: I own is illegal in those states. But I'm protected

1022
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: by FOPA to drive through those states. And you could

1023
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: stop for gas and stuff like that, right, but you're

1024
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: you're good, You're good to go. I could drive through

1025
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: all of those states perfectly fine because of POPA. So

1026
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: I keep that documentation. UM, And I mean I love

1027
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: law enforcement, so won't say anything that's interesting about FOUS.

1028
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: So like I I don't know that I know, I

1029
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: know of the thing, but I never heard that acronym.

1030
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: But um, you can drive through. But I remember hearing

1031
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:18,439
Speaker 1: that people get in trouble because you can, like somehow

1032
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: you could be It doesn't count if you go into

1033
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: New York and then fly out of a New York

1034
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: Airport because I was tiring these law enforcement guys are saying,

1035
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: they're always people are always getting in trouble coming down

1036
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania, coming down to places flying out of JFK Leguardia,

1037
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: and they can like travel through legally, but they go

1038
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: to like there, but now they're in there in the city,

1039
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: and so they're they're in what's like gathered up by

1040
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: the city of the port authority. So then there you

1041
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: are with a gun checking on an airplane and you

1042
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: don't have the necessary permit to have a gun in

1043
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: the city somehow in their view, And I don't know

1044
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: if this just it needs to be challenged. I noticed,

1045
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: like I know that it's an issue. I don't know

1046
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: if it's constitutional or legal, but in their view, you

1047
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: had stepped out of those protections at that moment that

1048
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: you went to check it onto a plane. Sure I

1049
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: would have to reasearch. I never under like, I never

1050
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,919
Speaker 1: got into it enough to understand like how that's true.

1051
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: But it's like you could drive past the airport, but

1052
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: the minute you go to check that gun in that thing,

1053
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: it's like not your it's out of your car. To

1054
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,479
Speaker 1: I don't know how they viewed it, but it would

1055
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: be that. But their thing was and it was always

1056
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: people being like but I thought like, no, dude, because

1057
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: you're standing here right now checking this gun in it's

1058
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: not the same thing as you traveling through with it

1059
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,439
Speaker 1: in your car. I would still I would personally question that. Now,

1060
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: So FOLKA does specify interstate travel. It doesn't stay like

1061
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: like when I I'm sorry, maybe that's my accent. Interstate

1062
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: like as in the highway. It does specify that, so

1063
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: maybe it does get different like you took it out,

1064
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: you got it out of your car and your you

1065
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: know whatever. Again, I I would question it. And there's

1066
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: so much more that we could dig into this. So,

1067
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: for instance, I flew out of California recently. Um So

1068
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: in California, most of my farms are illegal, right, but

1069
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: I'm there for competition reasons. So there is a actual

1070
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: um I forget what they call it, not not a law,

1071
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: but you know there's a provision that if you're there

1072
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: for competition reasons and you're good, and so I could

1073
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: fly competition in California. Yeah, I know. I was very skeptical,

1074
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: but a thousand percent. So so they have like again,

1075
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, whether if it's considered a law or bill

1076
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: or whatever. We're if you're there for competition reasons, you

1077
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: could have those firearms that people generally have thought we're

1078
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: not legal in California. So I flew out of California

1079
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: recently with all my guns. But for anyone who's flying,

1080
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: I recommend you just to take everything apart because no

1081
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: one at the airline understands anything of what you're carrying

1082
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: on you. I mean they really they have no clue.

1083
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,959
Speaker 1: So just take everything apart, make sure it's safe, and

1084
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: for the most part, you're not gonna get questions. I'll

1085
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: point out to people because I don't want this stuff

1086
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: to be I don't want this stuff to then discourage

1087
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: people from doing what they want to do. And like

1088
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: they're like get overwhelmed by the complexity law. There are

1089
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: a ton of resources online to hop you navigate, like

1090
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,479
Speaker 1: to help you stand on the right side of the law.

1091
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: It's like it sounds like intimidating and complicated, but in practice, um,

1092
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: in practice, when you're generally going from somewhere to somewhere,

1093
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: like you're going to Canada or whatever, it seems intimidating,

1094
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: But when you go and do it, it winds up

1095
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: being fine. It's easy to find the resources you need.

1096
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's not like people waiting at every corner

1097
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: and be like, got you, you know, you screwed this up.

1098
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: But just it does doesn't have that feel to it exactly.

1099
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: And of course, right there's a disclosure that it's up

1100
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: to people to do their own research to make sure

1101
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: that they are doing the legal thing right, don't use

1102
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: the podcast as your guidance for this is what I

1103
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: should do. So anyways, do your research. But at the

1104
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's actually really easy. Um and

1105
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: for the most part, you know, law enforcement or anyone

1106
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: you might run into, to be honest, most of them

1107
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: have no idea what they're looking at. There. There's some

1108
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: out there who are super super educated, and a lot

1109
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: of them even compete, but for the most part, they

1110
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: don't know what they're looking at. And you're probably more

1111
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: educated about it than there. But that's that's like a

1112
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:18,919
Speaker 1: funny little Yeah, I want to get back to bio,

1113
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: but like a funny little trade. You need to go

1114
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: throughout some airports as they want to inspect it. Oh

1115
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: and you open it up like they're not even pretending

1116
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: to know. But they're like they know that they're like

1117
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,919
Speaker 1: the air the person checking you in knows that they're

1118
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: supposed to like inspect it, but they also know that

1119
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: they're not going to bullshit themselves, like they don't know

1120
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: if they're looking at so like you open it, they

1121
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: look down and like, sure you're closing back up because like, hell,

1122
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: I'm looking for They have no idea, and it's like

1123
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: because they want to feel like they're doing the right thing.

1124
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: I think I think that appears to be a gun

1125
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: up that they do. They just look at it and

1126
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: they're kind of like a dead snake. It's like no.

1127
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: And sometimes when they want you to show clear, it's like, okay, well,

1128
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: what position where do you want me to point this

1129
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: to show you that my fire is unloaded because you're

1130
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: in the middle of it. And but normally when you

1131
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: um normally when you do that, they're just kind of like, oh, um, no, no,

1132
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: it's fine. But I've known some competition shooters will they'll

1133
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: take their a R right out and remember that charging

1134
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: hill and they go just go whack a whack, a

1135
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: whack whack in the middle of the air plant, just

1136
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, it's clear. Well, I think That's why

1137
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: most people that do have to do that are very like, yeah,

1138
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: you open it, like hey, looks, looks get at me.

1139
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: Let's not get the gun out and play with it.

1140
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: Let's just put it back in the little box that

1141
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: kills me. Okay, So not many guns growing up. Then

1142
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're like, I only get me

1143
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: a gun. Well so almost. Yeah, So m I had

1144
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: gotten out of long term relationship my high school sweetheart.

1145
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: Uh three, um, I mean you just it's when you're

1146
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: dating someone from sixteen to your early twenties. Just agen

1147
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: you just met in high school. Well technically he was

1148
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: homeschooled and I wasn't, but I alwa say high school

1149
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: sweetheart because it's easier for people to Actually it was

1150
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: like at a party, you know. It was just like

1151
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: the party. A lot of people home school to kids.

1152
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: They don't wan him to party. It was a lot

1153
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: of people party home school. It's big part of homeschool

1154
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: not this is not universal. It's a big part of

1155
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: homeschooling is they don't want their kids to find out

1156
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: about They don't want to find out about dirty er.

1157
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: They don't want them to party, they don't want them

1158
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: to like know about certain things. It's kind of a

1159
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: way to be like, I want my kid to just

1160
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: know about what I tell them, Steve, what other socializing

1161
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: would they get if they didn't go to parties or

1162
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: not school to other kids all day? You know what

1163
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, it's just it's like a way to

1164
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: control what goes into their little brain. Yeah. Well yeah,

1165
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: I mean his parents did for different reasons, just because

1166
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: they didn't feel that the public school system was doing,

1167
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: you know, the best education. But that's, you know what

1168
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm speaking just a segment of that world. So when

1169
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: you say, like I was pard parting with the homeschoolers,

1170
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,439
Speaker 1: it just seems funny to me. I think we should

1171
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: maybe name this episode party with Homeschoolers or running with guns.

1172
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't candid running with party with homeschoolers. So there

1173
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: you are, your partying with a home schooler at sixteen. Yeah, yeah,

1174
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: and drink um. No, I don't think so, actually yeah,

1175
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. So he's like, no, I'm cool, and

1176
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: you met him, started dating? Yeah, we started dating, and

1177
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: then it's like any relationship when you're in your early twenties,

1178
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: where you know there's just immaturity right there. There's jealousy,

1179
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: there's immaturity. You're not mature as a person. They're not

1180
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: mature as a person, and you you grow out of it.

1181
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: So I had gotten out of that relationship, and I

1182
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: remember it was like, heck to find a place for

1183
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: me to live by myself. I guys are living together. Well, yeah,

1184
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: I was twenty three. I'm not gonna be at my

1185
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: mom's with my boyfriend. Yeah, but you did so, so, um,

1186
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: you're not married now, okay, yeah, so I'm sorry if

1187
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: I'm not within the traditionalist. I'm always curious about whether

1188
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: people are married or not. Yeah. So you guys split up,

1189
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: couldn't find a place, Yeah, And I end up finding

1190
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: one place I fell in love with in Salisbury, New Hampshire.

1191
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: So Salisbury, New Hampshire has no police department. And so

1192
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: now living by myself for the first time it's a

1193
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: single female, I'm like, Okay, Well, if something happens, I'll

1194
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: dine down nine one one in the closest state. Troopero

1195
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: show up whenever he can, and I don't know when

1196
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: that's going to be tomorrow morning, tomorrow morning, that way,

1197
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: tomorrow pretty much. And that's when I looked into buy

1198
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: my first firearm. And uh so in high school, Um,

1199
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,439
Speaker 1: I actually I used to wrestle again with the fighting background. Um,

1200
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: and one of my assistant coaches I knew he used

1201
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: to do competition shooting. I reached out to him, Chris

1202
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: Mullin's his name. He's a sweethel to be like, hey,

1203
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: if you were going to buy a gun, what would

1204
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: you What would I do? Because I didn't know what

1205
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, like I said, my stepdad was

1206
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: just not, you know, like a gun person. He hunts

1207
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: once in a while. And so I reached out to

1208
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: him and he was just like, hey, um, you know,

1209
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: I have a couple of firearms. So it is a

1210
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: glock seventeen and a bread and ninety two f s.

1211
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: You could try him out. And then I actually work

1212
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: at a gun shop, so if you want to buy

1213
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: one after, I could sell you one. So I was like, great,

1214
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: who worked at a gun shop. My friend Daniel, you

1215
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: called my friend the trainer, ye who also like to shoot? Yes? Yeah, yeah,

1216
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: So it worked out. So it worked out really great.

1217
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: And that's that's when I bought my first fire which

1218
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: was a glock seventeen. Um. And actually, so I had

1219
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: a like a false start. Before that, I went into

1220
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,439
Speaker 1: a gun shop and I told him I wanted something

1221
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: for self defense. And I'm sure there's if there's any

1222
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: woman listening to this podcast who've tried to buy a

1223
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 1: gun for the first time, maybe they could relate. UM.

1224
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: I said, I wanted self defense and target practice. Uh.

1225
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: And self defense what I mean by that is home defense,

1226
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: not concealed carry, but just home defense. Um. At the time,

1227
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine myself concealed caring. And so they showed

1228
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: me a sig mosquito. If you know what saying mosquito is,

1229
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: It's like his name implies smallness and implies and it

1230
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: was pink, and I a bore color pink, and I

1231
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: just felt so insulted by the guy. I like a

1232
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: little my daughter has one of these, and I love it.

1233
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my god, like do you what?

1234
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: Did you not hear what I just told you? I

1235
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 1: want something for home defense and har your practice, and

1236
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: you're showing me this little three eight whatever. So I

1237
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: got the glock seventeen UM shot with that for a

1238
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: little while and actually really started enjoying it. So I

1239
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: used to go to the firing line by myself and

1240
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: just practice. Um, and I thought again, it was just

1241
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: it was different when you go to an indoor public

1242
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: fire in line the people who go there, as opposed

1243
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: to when I joined a club I got club. It's

1244
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 1: a super different minds. Did you get like hit on

1245
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: by guys just NonStop if you went down by yourself

1246
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: to shoot a pistol at a gun club, They're like,

1247
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 1: she's here, look, she must be here looking for a man. Now. Well,

1248
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: I think I had a serious enough attitude where I

1249
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: kind of thwarted a lot of people. Um. I sometimes

1250
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not too Yeah, like I put

1251
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: on my game face like I'm not there, you know

1252
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: what I mean with a V cut shirts, so it's

1253
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: catching all your hot brass or heels or any of that.

1254
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: Because there's definitely women that I've seen at the firing

1255
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 1: line where I'm like hot brass. Keep that in mind, Crane,

1256
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: if we don't go with don't part these two scars.

1257
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: That's hot brass from from the A R. And actually

1258
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: this this too, that's hot brass. Yeah. So when you

1259
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: when you shoot off of a barrier, sometimes what will

1260
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: happen is it will hit that wall. It don't come

1261
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: back and I'll get you. And so little scars on

1262
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 1: your shoulder from hot breast, yeah, oh that's yeah. When

1263
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: there's all sorts of other stuff, yeah, that it injures you.

1264
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: But the point being is, uh no, but that when

1265
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,560
Speaker 1: you were down there at the shooting range. Initially you

1266
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: were just like, I'm just gonna learn how to use

1267
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: this thing. Yeah, that was it. And then you kind

1268
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: of got like, I want to be better and better.

1269
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 1: So because I had to compete and I'm super competitive, well,

1270
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't. Well, I guess it was eventually evolve to

1271
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: that right right, you can see right away where this

1272
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: is going. That wasn't my That wasn't my thought though,

1273
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: So what had actually happened? So I started aiding someone

1274
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 1: new um, and he was like, hey, I have a

1275
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: clay thrower. You want to try shooting a shotgun? And

1276
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: I said sure, yeah whatever. So we shot it, you know,

1277
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: throwing clays in the backyard and he's like, wow, you're

1278
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: like way better than my buddy that I took out

1279
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: last weekend, Like way better. And I'm like really, like,

1280
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, you just aim it and shoot things

1281
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: like I don't know if the problem is and so

1282
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: about six months after that, again I got more into

1283
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: my handgun practice, and he was like, well, I've enrolled

1284
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 1: you in your first sporting clay competition. And I was

1285
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 1: like what and he's like, yeah, I think you could

1286
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: do it. I'm like, okay, the competitions no, no, so talent. Yeah,

1287
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: And so he put me in that, and so I

1288
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: stuck with sporting plays for a few years. And so

1289
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 1: I would say about a year after sporting plays because

1290
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: again I really enjoyed my handgun um. And then you know,

1291
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: as any well, what's that world like the sporting clay

1292
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: world in terms of like the competitions and stuff. Oh

1293
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 1: it's so different. Um, so I I love sporting clays

1294
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: like it's more more genteel Oh yeah, I mean, but

1295
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: the thing is that being a younger woman going into

1296
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 1: sporting plays, Oh, I got all the special treatment, like

1297
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: you know, oh, you want to use my fancy side

1298
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: by side to go to the indoor bathroom as opposed

1299
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: to using the power to body. Oh yeah, I go

1300
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 1: take it, Like I don't even know who this person is,

1301
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: Like I used to happen all the time, or I

1302
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 1: like I would either hand carry my guns or when

1303
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: I got more gear, I got like a little buggy.

1304
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: They'd be like, oh no, you you could put your

1305
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: gun in my cart and stuff, so that you mean,

1306
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: it's like guys scamming on you or guys like being

1307
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 1: like little ladies. These are the like little ladies like

1308
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: it's these are the people in your squads, like group

1309
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: of people that you shoot with because they just want

1310
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: to help you out. They do the same thing for

1311
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: junior shooters. So it's like it's more of a pity play. No,

1312
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: it's not pitty. It's like they it's gentlemanly and they

1313
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 1: want to It's the equivalent of like opening the door exactly. Yeah.

1314
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: But the other thing too is that they want to

1315
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: encourage more women into the sport, and they would encourage

1316
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: youth into the sport, so anyway that they could kind

1317
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 1: of sort of take care of them. Did you feel

1318
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 1: it was there was over encouraging. No, because when it

1319
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: came down to shooting, I mean, yeah, we meant business

1320
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: just because they were nice, like you know now and

1321
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 1: then didn't mean that. I didn't think that they meant

1322
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: business otherwise, And is in the three Gune world, it doesn't.

1323
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: It's very different. It's not there's no it's I could

1324
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: picture just from the crew were to day. I could

1325
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: picture that they would be maybe better able to play

1326
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 1: equality h but probably don't do the chivalry. Okay, So

1327
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: sporting place, uh is a fun sport. It tends to

1328
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: be a little bit older of a demographic, if you will.

1329
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: And I'm just generalizing, Okay, so people out there listening,

1330
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: there's not that like more in a good generalization, a

1331
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: way to ruffle people's feathers. Like generalizations are sometimes like

1332
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 1: a little bit right, I get the complexes, but now

1333
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I mean, it's like now they're like

1334
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 1: like lay it on me, like I could picture all

1335
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: the ways that these things are. Like it's more laid back, right.

1336
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 1: And so people they have it's very typical for them

1337
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: to have their cards and they're smoking their you know,

1338
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: cigar leisurely. Uh No, I'm talking like the three thousand

1339
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 1: side by side like the razors. Oh, these guys are

1340
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: high rollers. Yeah, And I mean but you have to

1341
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,719
Speaker 1: keep in mind with sporting plays, they could have uh

1342
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 1: you know like paraz Is that costs like twenty plus

1343
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 1: dollars that one gun. Right, so there's big money into

1344
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: it and they make big money. So three gunners, we

1345
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: don't get paid anything for winning competition. Sporting clay people

1346
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: they do. Uh so yeah, because that's even like that's

1347
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: there's you know, do do do any colleges have three

1348
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: gun teams? Yet there's colleges that have sporting play teams? Yeah? No,

1349
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: you're right, and uh And to be honest, I don't

1350
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: know if any, but but maybe I'd be pretty surprised. Yeah.

1351
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: So there are colleges that have action shooting teams, which

1352
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: is generalized so they'll shoot us p s A, which

1353
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 1: is action pistol shooting. So there are colleges with that. Yeah,

1354
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: for sure. Um, we're three guns. We are. I don't

1355
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 1: know how to explain it. I like to think we're

1356
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: more of a fun crowd. Uh, but yeah, I mean

1357
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 1: the chivalries, they're like, if you are a gentleman, you're

1358
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: going to be a gentleman no matter what. And I

1359
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: think that shooting sports tend to attract men who who

1360
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: like to be chivalrous. Right, But at the same time

1361
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: they are going to little lady you, They're going to

1362
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: assume that you know, at the end of the day,

1363
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 1: we're competitors, right, So you're a guy. I'm a girl, like, yeah, sure,

1364
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: hold the door open for me, but I'm gonna try

1365
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 1: to I'm going to try to beat you, you know,

1366
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 1: and they recognize that. But it's also a team sport

1367
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: to like remember when we were stage planning, we were

1368
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: trying to we we feed off of each other. So

1369
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: it's very supportive. It's a very supportive community. How many

1370
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 1: women do you encounter in this community? Um? So my

1371
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 1: social media handle is an h three gun Girl. I

1372
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: am the only girl in New Hampshire that shoots three

1373
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 1: gun there. Now, there are some I know I've been

1374
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 1: I've been told that I should add the in front

1375
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 1: of it, but there are some other women in New

1376
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 1: England who have picked it up, which is great. Since

1377
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: I started shooting in Florida, that's pretty common. Um, it's

1378
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: popular in Florida. Yeah, down south definitely Florida. In Texas,

1379
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 1: those are two huge ones. Um, I'm going to stay

1380
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: top of my mind in Florida, Texas. There's there's all

1381
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 1: sorts of other ones, right, Um, Like we just had

1382
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 1: the pro am in North Carolina or South Carolina, one

1383
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: of the Carolinas. I should know because I was signed

1384
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,640
Speaker 1: up for that match. But anyways, um we're able to

1385
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: make it. No, no, no, no. Um, so there's that,

1386
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: and they're they're everywhere, They're everywhere. But like percentage in

1387
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: percentage wise, oh gosh. Um. I to be honest, I

1388
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 1: don't want to be held to a percentage or but

1389
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: if I had to generalize, it's going to be low. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1390
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 1: so I would say less than less than ten percent

1391
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 1: and I would say so again, but it's sporting plays more.

1392
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 1: Uh was sporting craze greater female participant maybe slightly, But

1393
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,799
Speaker 1: again I don't know what other areas of the country

1394
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: are like. In New England, there was not a lot

1395
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 1: of women in general. Um it was. It was common

1396
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: for me to be the only female in a sporting

1397
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 1: play competition. Um so, and you compete against dudes though,

1398
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: well of course yeah, because it's like it does not

1399
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 1: have to support like a female division, right, yeah exactly.

1400
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 1: And you start with that sporting clay business for how

1401
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: many years? A few years? Yeah, a few years. But

1402
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 1: I still like to shoot the pistol. Well, so I

1403
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 1: had started researching three guys I think year two into it,

1404
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 1: but I spent how many years ago that were so

1405
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,680
Speaker 1: how many years ago from today, years ago from Jay

1406
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 1: when I was in supporting play, so it would have

1407
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: been two thousand fifteen ish. Um. And so I started

1408
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 1: researching three gun and it's like awesome. I started watching

1409
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: YouTube and I'm like, holy smokes, I need to do this.

1410
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of gear involved. So it took

1411
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 1: me about a year plus to save up all the

1412
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: gear to to shoot three guns. I mean, and I

1413
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: always tell people, if you want to shoot three gun,

1414
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 1: show up to a match and people will lend you

1415
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: their gear. I'm not making this up. You could be

1416
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: anywhere in the country and we will take care of you,

1417
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: period the end. Email the match director, but beforehand, tell

1418
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: them what you have and what you need and we

1419
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 1: will put it together. I'm serious. Anywhere in the country

1420
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: when a time that a long time to assemble the

1421
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: gear was like, you mean saving up the money to

1422
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 1: buy it all. Well, that belt that you were talking

1423
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 1: about earlier, you described it as a tool belt. I've

1424
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 1: done some math on that. When it comes to the

1425
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: belt system itself, and every single mag pouch and the

1426
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: holsters without AMMO is close to four right, because you

1427
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 1: think every belt grow thing, well, because you have all

1428
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 1: those mag pouches and each one might be forty dollars, right,

1429
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: and then your handgun holsters sixty dollars. Then you need

1430
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: the e l S attachments that go onto it. This

1431
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: is Safari Land for those of you who are listening,

1432
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. And then that costs money,

1433
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,759
Speaker 1: and it just starts just as very quickly, very quickly.

1434
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 1: And it's all modular too, which is one thing you're pinning.

1435
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: You can just swap out different sizes of holsters and yeah,

1436
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 1: you can get into it. So the shell caddy that

1437
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,719
Speaker 1: I use, I'm sorry, I'm going back to eleven. No,

1438
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: I want I want to go to a nine on

1439
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: this belt real quick. I don't want I don't want

1440
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: to derail. I want to go to a nine on

1441
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 1: the belt. The belts just like a thing in the

1442
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: world because it's like it's hook and loop velcrow and

1443
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 1: you run the fuzzy there's a belt with the fuzzy part,

1444
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 1: and you run the fuzzy part the underbelt through your

1445
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 1: normal belt loops and then you've got like a fuzzy

1446
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: belt on. Then the belt that holds all the accouterments,

1447
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,679
Speaker 1: uh is the hook. The hook portion of the hook

1448
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 1: and loop velcro that goes on over I feel like

1449
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: people in the trades should have one of those, dude,

1450
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 1: for everything, Right, it's so much more like I don't

1451
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 1: know how Like if if I was framing houses, I'd

1452
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: be right now going out and being like, I've switched

1453
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: my whole belt situation. I'm getting me a s fir

1454
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: lamb belt and hammer, couple nail pouches and shipped on

1455
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: that set up. Man spending your whole day trying to

1456
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: pull your pants up smart, that's true. Well, so it's

1457
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: it's very similar to a law enforcement felt because it's

1458
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 1: so rigid. It's so rigid, and when you have that

1459
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: inner belt system that is really tucking it close to

1460
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: your body, and then you have what we call the

1461
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 1: outer belt, which is what you're talking about that has

1462
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: all of our attachments on it. That is such a

1463
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: rigid system because there's so much weight. I mean, when

1464
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 1: you think about it and you felt it, I know

1465
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: you felt it. I saw I saw it like that

1466
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 1: twinkle in your eye. Because when I first started shooting

1467
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 1: the legion, which is a tungsten infused uh SIG three twenty, right,

1468
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 1: it's a heavy it's a heavy gun. Um, you fill

1469
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: it on your hip after a while, because especially with women,

1470
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 1: were just the way your hips are shaped and the

1471
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 1: way that belt sits on you, it just like it

1472
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 1: starts to bruise after a while. I don't know. I

1473
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: don't know what happens, but your body just gets used

1474
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,600
Speaker 1: to all that weight. I don't know. But when I

1475
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: first started shooting, even just having a Block seventeen, which

1476
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 1: is just a light polymer gun, I was like, oh man,

1477
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: that this hurts. And now I'm like, I don't even

1478
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 1: feel it. You know, when did you shoot the first tournament?

1479
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 1: That was in two thousand sixteen. But how do you

1480
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 1: go from like not oh Steve, you don't even You

1481
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 1: just find out about something, get the ship and go.

1482
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: You don't like spend like years like getting ready to compete.

1483
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: Let's go over a quick story. So Taylor's first shooting season.

1484
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: This is me. I'm talking to the third person. Sorry,

1485
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: it was in two thousand seventeen, my first competition, uh

1486
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 1: like full season two thousand seventeen. By the end of

1487
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen, I started and have now ran for

1488
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: four years the biggest three gun match in New England.

1489
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: So I went from being a person who just started

1490
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: shooting three gun too, putting together and running a full

1491
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: fledged match by the end of the season. Enthusiasm. Do

1492
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 1: you feel like you have? Um? Do you kind of

1493
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: have Do you feel like you have like a mild

1494
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 1: form of what's the word I'm looking for? Not you're

1495
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 1: like like, like, are you obsessive about stuff? Like I'm

1496
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 1: not like a like a savant? Or do you? But

1497
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: do you feel that you get obsessed with something and

1498
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 1: then like it runs its course and then you wham

1499
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 1: jump into something else. It depends like if I talked

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01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 1: to you in five years, are you could be like,

1501
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: oh no, I'm a competitive sailor and then you'll be

1502
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 1: like good a sailing and something. And some would be

1503
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 1: like you used to shoot three guns to that have

1504
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: no idea, But I'm shooting three guns competitive two years ago.

1505
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what my cycle is going

1506
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 1: to be. You know, maybe give you way into something

1507
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: different in a couple of years. I don't think so.

1508
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: I don't think so. So. My my evolution of sports,

1509
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: each each one minute end for his own reason. The

1510
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 1: thing that I love. It's not just that you drifted away.

1511
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 1: It's not that I drifted away. No not, I moved

1512
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 1: to New Hampshire. They had no good dojos. What ended shooting? Shotguns?

1513
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: Well that was three gun. I got in a three

1514
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 1: gun because I was like, man, that's not a natural end,

1515
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: that's just you that involved. It's it's still competitive shooting.

1516
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's still competitive shooting. So you don't think

1517
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: that you'll I mean in two or three years, you

1518
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 1: don't think you'll be into some whole new thing. But

1519
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 1: like way as in competitive shooting. Absolutely, maybe I'll get

1520
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 1: into PRS or maybe I'll get into something else. Three

1521
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: guns holds really close to my heart. Um, precision rifles shooting. Um.

1522
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: I think that a lot more of this audience will

1523
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 1: probably know about PRS more than three guns. It's easier

1524
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: when someone says precision rifles kind of like yeah, I

1525
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: got it rifle. Yeah, No, it's actually it's it's a

1526
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 1: ton of fun. And I think that if you're a hunter,

1527
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: you should do a PRS match just to stay start

1528
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,560
Speaker 1: sharp on your skills. Not saying that three gun isn't transferable,

1529
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: but PRS is directly transferable to hunting for sure. It's awesome.

1530
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: Here's here's a here's a question for you, But I

1531
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm trying to think how to frame it.

1532
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say that clay shooting is

1533
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 1: a like is a derivative sort of of of hunting

1534
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 1: of Wayne shooting. Of course, I think that they feed

1535
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 1: each other, right, Like especially some people to like to

1536
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: shoot quail, like guys that are like a way into

1537
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 1: two things that are very like you know, heavy shooting,

1538
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: like a lot like a lot of opportunities. Um, you

1539
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 1: go out for quail, you go out for dove like those.

1540
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:55,440
Speaker 1: There's a lot of crossover between quail and dove hunters

1541
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 1: in sporting class. But like three guns very strikes me

1542
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 1: is like very military, okay, but you don't have any

1543
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 1: like you're not out of law enforcement. You're not out

1544
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 1: of military, are you like an exception? And that you

1545
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 1: didn't come from military law enforcement? Not at all. Most

1546
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: people who do three guns do not have a military background.

1547
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 1: Picture if it wasn't if the War on Terror, if

1548
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:20,560
Speaker 1: there hadn't been the War on Terror, I feel like

1549
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: three guns wouldn't exist. But that's wow, really yeah, because

1550
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: I feel like I just feel like it's super well no,

1551
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: I just think it's super informed. By it's like very

1552
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 1: informed by UM, like moving through targets, Like yeah, I

1553
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 1: thought it was four in the podcast. Like years ago,

1554
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 1: I was invited down by the third Special Forces Group

1555
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 1: and I got to go down to Fort Bragg and

1556
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 1: watch him train and UM doing different activities. And one

1557
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: day when when I was there watching them train, they

1558
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: were training like they were training transitioning from their rifle

1559
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 1: to their pistol, and it was like on the move

1560
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:03,679
Speaker 1: going through with targets, and it was all about like

1561
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 1: how smoothly you can move back forth back forth. And

1562
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:09,599
Speaker 1: they're also doing a lot of stuff of like going

1563
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: into houses and like how to clear houses, move through houses,

1564
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 1: and it's like that like a lot of the like

1565
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 1: a lot of the movements and stuff seemed to inform it.

1566
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: It's way different, but I feel like it's like heavily

1567
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: informed by it. It's not informed by it at all.

1568
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: If anything, I believe that competition shooting has been influencing military.

1569
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 1: Well that's what that's what I was learning today. Different

1570
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: things like you guys have a little gear twitch like

1571
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 1: gear fixes and strategies that flowed the other direction, which

1572
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 1: is surprising. Yeah, but you did say though that like

1573
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: it started basically because training, oh for sure, and it

1574
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 1: but I feel that it branched off very quickly. Um.

1575
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 1: And that you again, military we I have a lot

1576
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 1: of good friends who are UM active in the military.

1577
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 1: They are current law enforce, mint officers of every facet

1578
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 1: right anywhere from you know, swat to a beat cop.

1579
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,640
Speaker 1: They'll come out and compete. But that's the minority. That

1580
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: might be one or two or a few guys at

1581
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 1: a competition out of like people, right um. And at

1582
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 1: a national level competition, you know, we're going to see

1583
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:19,679
Speaker 1: a lot more of those guys come out. But overall,

1584
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 1: because what I love is at a national level competition

1585
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: or one of these bigger three gun matches you have.

1586
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 1: So the Marines they have a shooting team, right, and

1587
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 1: then they have a three gun team. Same thing for

1588
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 1: the Army, AMU, that is the biggest shooting team in

1589
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 1: all the military branches. A mu uh some other one

1590
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 1: of those military branches shooting team might be yelling at

1591
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: me right now, but it's I think it's kind of known. Um.

1592
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 1: You know, they have an incredible recruiting program with a

1593
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: mu uh Dan Horner, who is one of the top

1594
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 1: three gun shooters he came from a mu um you know,

1595
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,679
Speaker 1: uh Max Michelle, he was army as well, so that's

1596
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 1: one of the top guys. But anyways, um, so there

1597
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 1: are a lot of military branches. National Guard they have

1598
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: a huge three gun shooting team. So there's a lot

1599
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 1: of military branches that have these shooting teams. But is

1600
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 1: it the majority? Absolutely not, absolutely not. There's an internet.

1601
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 1: There's a couple of things that you guys pointed out

1602
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 1: to me today. Is for instance, like things I had

1603
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 1: heard but hadn't really heard him articulated. Well, like the

1604
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 1: tendency to stand side like to like if you're shooting

1605
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:28,640
Speaker 1: a pistol. The tendency to turn your body so that

1606
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:32,799
Speaker 1: you're like parallel in the line with your target comes

1607
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 1: from trying to like shrink your profile to a potential

1608
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 1: shooter and they're like open up, like you're not, you're

1609
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 1: not needing to do that. Or another thing with like

1610
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 1: a military rifle hold in and like what you guys like,

1611
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,679
Speaker 1: there's a term someone used a close court um so

1612
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 1: military plowing your arm, employing your arm to help as

1613
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: a protection to your body, and that's not needed. So

1614
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: there's like these ways in which you see like little

1615
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 1: habits people have. I guess I'm watching the news or

1616
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 1: watching movies and you start to like you think you

1617
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 1: know how to hold stuff, and then the competitive shooters

1618
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 1: being like no, no no, no, like you're doing like a

1619
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 1: cop thing that we don't do, like it's it's better

1620
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 1: this way, you know. Yes, And and I've taken a

1621
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:21,799
Speaker 1: lot of training classes before where you have uh ELO

1622
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 1: law enforcement officers and there are things that we do

1623
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 1: that may not be safe for them, like you know,

1624
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:30,759
Speaker 1: facing straight onto your target. We're not shooting from behind cover.

1625
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:34,599
Speaker 1: There's all these different things that may not be safe

1626
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 1: for them, but for us, we're thinking about time because

1627
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 1: a good point, there's no like utilizing there's no utilizing cover.

1628
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 1: There is not. So there are different games for that.

1629
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, these are these

1630
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 1: are games are great training tools, but there are games

1631
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 1: h called I d p A, and so I d

1632
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 1: p A does their best to be as realistic as possible.

1633
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you have my like little air quotes, air

1634
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 1: quotes going um and that's the training people how to

1635
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 1: like a roacha active shooters situation or then it's just

1636
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 1: they give you this scenario. It's not even about active

1637
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 1: shooters or anything like that. They give you this scenario

1638
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 1: hypothetically where maybe there there is one, but they you know,

1639
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 1: it's part of the game. They have to shoot from

1640
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 1: behind cover, that kind of thing. But again, there's a

1641
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:19,679
Speaker 1: lot of different disciplines within shooting sports. All right, Yanni,

1642
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 1: what do you got? What are your observations? Well, a

1643
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 1: couple more questions about shooting in the competition and you're

1644
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 1: you're shooting. So there's so few women that you guys

1645
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 1: are just lumped into one division. So when the results

1646
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 1: come out, it's not like you're always taking first place

1647
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 1: in the women's division. You're just taking whatever place it

1648
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 1: is in the division. Or yeah, and the one that

1649
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 1: you entered. So where do you? Where do you? And

1650
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 1: the and there's another galuy you mentioned earlier. Where do

1651
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 1: you guys rank against thousands of men? And there's what

1652
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 1: there's a handful of you hand I mean, so I

1653
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:58,879
Speaker 1: consider myself a midpack hero, which means that I typically

1654
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:02,799
Speaker 1: will finish you know, upper to midpack to lower to midpact,

1655
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 1: depending on how good of that her day I've done, right,

1656
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 1: So that that's where I typically place. I'm pack here

1657
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:11,639
Speaker 1: and now I'm talking overall. When it comes to women,

1658
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 1: there's so little women that normally you know, I'm high

1659
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 1: lady overall. That's not you know, because again there's there's that,

1660
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 1: there's that many of us. So I'm always looking at

1661
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 1: overall standings, um, in terms of where I complete in

1662
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: that um. And what was the other question? Well, you're

1663
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 1: saying that there was a like you mentioned Lena, I

1664
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 1: think she's awesome. You're gonna like, has she ever just

1665
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 1: straight out one beat beat the whole all the whole field? Um?

1666
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 1: So I mean, gosh, she showed a shot any locals.

1667
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, she'd cream absolutely everyone in terms of

1668
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: And I'm so sorry, Lena, if you're listening to this,

1669
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 1: I can't remember if she's one overall on national competition.

1670
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 1: I think I believe she's come close. Um. So recently

1671
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 1: she placed a third um in a I believe it

1672
01:30:57,479 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 1: was an area match, third overall, which was very very respectful.

1673
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:07,640
Speaker 1: That was respectable, very respectable of her. No prize money. No,

1674
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 1: we do all of this for bragging rights. Yeah, I mean,

1675
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy. You could you could get some sponsorships, um,

1676
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 1: you know, you can work with some companies stuff like that,

1677
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 1: but going pro was just you find a way within

1678
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 1: the industry to make like to make it most most

1679
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 1: anyone who is quote unquote pro um is they're just

1680
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 1: working in an industry. That's it one faster than the other.

1681
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 1: Well you got that little brainy, uh. I mean, do

1682
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 1: we want to dive into how it was for us,

1683
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 1: because I mean we we went. I mean was kind

1684
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 1: of the meat of it all is that we went

1685
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 1: and and had got trained by Taylor that which took

1686
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 1: it probably take the better part of two hours, right

1687
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 1: just just I'm like putting my my head down into

1688
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 1: my hands deeply right now. Because they were like, hey,

1689
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,440
Speaker 1: we want to learn how to sheot three and I'm like, fantastic,

1690
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 1: this is more ours. This is this is a two

1691
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 1: day class. Then I was under the impression it was

1692
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 1: gonna be one day and I'm like, wow, um, how

1693
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 1: am I going to do this all in one day?

1694
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 1: And then Corin calls and says, actually, it's a half

1695
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 1: a day, and I'm like, I at least now say

1696
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 1: like what it is. I was losing my mind because

1697
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:27,720
Speaker 1: we rolled in there and are our normal you know,

1698
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,640
Speaker 1: operating procedures to roll in there and b asked with everybody.

1699
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 1: And as soon as we rolled in, Taylor is like,

1700
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 1: get over here, we're going safety. I'm like, oh, this

1701
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 1: is serious, okay safe, And then it was like there's

1702
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:42,639
Speaker 1: a rifle or a pistol on our belt, on our thing,

1703
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 1: and then the pistol on the belt and we were

1704
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:46,439
Speaker 1: on our way. No. I think you're a good teacher.

1705
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 1: You don't mess around. You know, it's like a lot

1706
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 1: of good information. But it's like you don't take time

1707
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 1: to like, you don't you don't have like little can

1708
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 1: jokes you do and ship like that. You just like

1709
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 1: get into it. Man. Yeah, it was so much fun.

1710
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 1: I'd recommend it'd be like great for us to get

1711
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 1: our families together and go and that class. It's so

1712
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: cool when kids get into three guns. I think I

1713
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 1: think your wife would like it. She'd like it. Jimmy

1714
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 1: is already asking about it. He was like, so he's

1715
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 1: gonna get away, He's gonna he'd come away from there

1716
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 1: with some many like bad ideas, so empty. When he

1717
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 1: went from knowing about single shot shotguns the pumps, it

1718
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 1: was just like a whole new thing. That world would

1719
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 1: be would just be too much from it would be

1720
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 1: it would be way too much for him. But so

1721
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 1: interesting because I I did not know what to expect

1722
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 1: with y'all in terms of skill level. And so obviously

1723
01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 1: you're good hunters, right, And but just because someone is

1724
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 1: a good hunter doesn't mean that they're necessarily proficient with

1725
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 1: their firearms. And you all would know this from firsthand,

1726
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 1: for from meeting some people that you might have hunted

1727
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 1: with who may not have the let's say, best marksmanship.

1728
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 1: Does that make sense yea, just like the whole Yeah,

1729
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 1: hunters in general and in general this is not to everyone. Um,

1730
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 1: they like the point guns at each other, right, So

1731
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 1: their concept of safety it is very very different. In

1732
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 1: competition shooting safety is at the forefront of our minds

1733
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 1: at all times, and we have so many different rules

1734
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,520
Speaker 1: to make sure we're being as safe as possible. Where

1735
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 1: in the hunting world there's just very different perspective when

1736
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 1: it comes to again safety and gun manipulation and efficiency

1737
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 1: of movement, all these things. So I don't know what

1738
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 1: to expect with y'all, unless I want to back Taylor up,

1739
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 1: because right now you're at home and you're like, that's bullshit,

1740
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:39,679
Speaker 1: you know, I don't see that kind of stuff going down.

1741
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 1: It's like I can tell you as a guide weekly.

1742
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:46,559
Speaker 1: If not daily, someone would be giving you the old

1743
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,719
Speaker 1: um tunnel vision as we called it, and it would

1744
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 1: get to the point where you'd be like, dude, one

1745
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 1: more time and I'm done. You can got someone else

1746
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 1: can hunt with you. You can hunt by yourself, but like,

1747
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to look down your rifle barrel again,

1748
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 1: do you unders damny? So yeah, you're you're spot on.

1749
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot, there's plenty of that that goes down.

1750
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 1: It is. Yeah, we kept laughing about they make you

1751
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 1: go wait the truck if you make a mistake, oh,

1752
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:14,919
Speaker 1: if you get d qte yeah. But but what's funny

1753
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 1: there is there is an inside joke with you know,

1754
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 1: especially action shooters, that if you get d cute, you

1755
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 1: have to go to d Q and eat your ice

1756
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 1: cream so you don't have to bring it back for

1757
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:32,720
Speaker 1: everybody else. That's what you're the one who got d Q.

1758
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:35,920
Speaker 1: You have to eat your ice cream ice cream for

1759
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 1: everybody else. No, that's not how Yeah, so because the

1760
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:41,679
Speaker 1: ice cream is not it's like a bitter sweet, right.

1761
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 1: And what's funny is that if we're stage planning, they'll

1762
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 1: they'll be a moment where it's like I'm not going

1763
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:50,599
Speaker 1: to eat my ice cream. On this stage, it's just

1764
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:53,240
Speaker 1: like we instantly know what the other person is talking about.

1765
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:54,599
Speaker 1: You don't want to go to dairy queen, you don't

1766
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 1: want to get d cute. Well, yeah, no, I mean

1767
01:35:57,200 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 1: even the difference I got called I got, I would

1768
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 1: of d Q just holstering my pistol at the very

1769
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 1: end of my round. I think I had done everything

1770
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:13,360
Speaker 1: right round and when she asked me, um, when you're done,

1771
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 1: they Taylor asked you. She was acting as the range officer,

1772
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 1: and she asked you to clear the gun and show

1773
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:23,680
Speaker 1: that your hammers down, So you open the action and

1774
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 1: then you close the action, and then you'll pull the

1775
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 1: trigger to show that it's completely empty, right, and then

1776
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 1: you holster. He right. Well, just the way that my

1777
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 1: hips were facing, the angle that I was angled off

1778
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 1: of that degree line that you can't pass, and then

1779
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 1: I went to holster and just that action was enough

1780
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:44,680
Speaker 1: to basically get my gun pointed back behind me holstering it,

1781
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 1: you know, and I was pointing it down at the ground,

1782
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 1: but just that was enough to get it pointed. YEA.

1783
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 1: I wish I would have happened on the second round,

1784
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 1: because that would have meant I won. Oh I guess

1785
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 1: if I d Q then yeah, if they would have

1786
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 1: called a d Q, I would have been like the victor.

1787
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 1: You would be the victor. Yeah, that's a terrible way

1788
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:08,719
Speaker 1: to win though, but you would have counted. It would

1789
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:11,000
Speaker 1: have counted because I meant that the other person. Um,

1790
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 1: I feel like like you could almost the first time

1791
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 1: you do it, Like the second time, you're gonna cut

1792
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 1: your time in half. I feel like the third time

1793
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna cut it by a third. Then it's

1794
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 1: probably then yeah, it's gonna start plateauing. So with you guys,

1795
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:31,120
Speaker 1: who is amazing watching you again? You know, we went

1796
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 1: from the very beginning of the day working on pistol,

1797
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:36,759
Speaker 1: and so I typically like to start with pistol because

1798
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:39,639
Speaker 1: that gives you a really good calibration of how someone's

1799
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:41,760
Speaker 1: overall firearm skills are, because that tends to be one

1800
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,719
Speaker 1: of the hardest platforms to learn because there's so much

1801
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 1: more like with the grip in the stance and how

1802
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 1: you're looking down the site a rifle. I'm not saying

1803
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 1: that there was a difficulty to it, but you pretty

1804
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 1: much you hold it up and you look down the

1805
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 1: scope and you pull the trigger and you're going to

1806
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 1: go with the pistol. There's there's so much going into it.

1807
01:37:57,320 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 1: So uh so you got named teacup because you were

1808
01:38:01,479 --> 01:38:05,760
Speaker 1: doing that. The teacup and saucer h grip right, which

1809
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 1: is sort of like old school FBI movie Charlie's Angels

1810
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:11,600
Speaker 1: type stuff, which is not something you don't think that

1811
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:13,640
Speaker 1: there's I wanted we ran out of time because I

1812
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:15,640
Speaker 1: wanted to explore this. I do think that there's like

1813
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 1: some revolver there's like some holdover from when people shot

1814
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 1: revolvers that your hand position, like the hand position you

1815
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 1: people are using is an appropriate to a revolver. So

1816
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:31,760
Speaker 1: maybe some people that's the case. I think most of

1817
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:35,400
Speaker 1: it they're they're watching TV and they're seeing cop grips,

1818
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 1: they're seeing Charlie's Angels, are seeing all these movies, like

1819
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 1: cop movies like Stevens all these guys where they're just like,

1820
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:43,439
Speaker 1: you know, grabbing it for the bottom and it's like,

1821
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,719
Speaker 1: what are you doing? This makes no sense? Should explain.

1822
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 1: So the teacup is like, if you're holding that pistol

1823
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:53,559
Speaker 1: in one hand, if you're a right hander then your

1824
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 1: left hand. Yeah, it's like a little little teacup or

1825
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 1: a saucer underneath it from the from the bottom, you

1826
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 1: sort of supporting it from the bottom, where in reality

1827
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 1: you almost make like a like two fists together with

1828
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:08,479
Speaker 1: the golf gripping a golf cloth. There you go. I

1829
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:12,679
Speaker 1: heard that analgy earlier today. So, uh, seeing you guys

1830
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 1: go from from that all the way to actually transitioning

1831
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:19,920
Speaker 1: between targets targets, so shooting one target and shooting the

1832
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,639
Speaker 1: other one while on the move, while you know, walking

1833
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 1: with with the handgun doing the same thing with the rifle,

1834
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 1: so up close. Shooting up close with a rifle is

1835
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 1: very different from precision shooting with a rifle. Um and

1836
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 1: with the cadence because as hunters, y'all are making you know,

1837
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:40,360
Speaker 1: one super meaningful shot from a distance, where with this,

1838
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:42,719
Speaker 1: I mean we're doing at least two at a time

1839
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 1: and you're you're just getting getting after it. You know, Uh,

1840
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:48,799
Speaker 1: things things get little spicy, and so when you're running

1841
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:52,360
Speaker 1: with that gun, it changes things for sure. It really

1842
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 1: took me a while to be like, you don't have

1843
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:59,479
Speaker 1: to aim as much as you're trying to know. It's

1844
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 1: like it's the like brown is down all the all

1845
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 1: the targets happened to be brown that we shot today.

1846
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:08,280
Speaker 1: That we're paper. But that's a famous deer hunting line. Yeah,

1847
01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 1: I know that one. As soon as you're on paper,

1848
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:13,680
Speaker 1: you can just squeeze twice. And like you said, there

1849
01:40:13,680 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 1: are different rings. But we weren't playing by those rules today.

1850
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:19,000
Speaker 1: You just said, hey, we just want two hits on paper.

1851
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:22,760
Speaker 1: So I didn't really tell myself that's that's why I

1852
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 1: was going to come out with my own tournament and

1853
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:29,720
Speaker 1: shrink those targets way down so we could do that.

1854
01:40:30,360 --> 01:40:32,920
Speaker 1: So today we shot what was called time plus, which

1855
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:34,680
Speaker 1: is how much time did it take for you to

1856
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:39,639
Speaker 1: run to the stage plus penalties. Right, so time plus scoring. Um,

1857
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 1: if we did something along the lines of USPS a

1858
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:46,000
Speaker 1: multa gun um like comstock, then there would be a

1859
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 1: points system depending upon the accuracy. Right, So so we

1860
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:55,759
Speaker 1: we could we could dig into this crazy stuff um comstock. Uh,

1861
01:40:55,920 --> 01:41:01,400
Speaker 1: scoring with three guns is not normal, but it certainly happens,

1862
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 1: right and it is perhaps so I could specialize into that. Right,

1863
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:07,599
Speaker 1: So if that meant a lot to me, I would

1864
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,519
Speaker 1: recommend for you to start shooting usps A matches because

1865
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:15,719
Speaker 1: that really will emphasize more more, more accuracy. Yeah for sure. Um,

1866
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:17,640
Speaker 1: but again, you know, it was so cool watching you

1867
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 1: guys uh progress. And then when we ended on the

1868
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:23,680
Speaker 1: shotgun would showing the quad load because I'm like, I

1869
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 1: save that kind of for last, because you know how

1870
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 1: to shoot a shotgun right for the most part. If

1871
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:29,960
Speaker 1: if you've shot a shotgun before, you could go into

1872
01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:32,040
Speaker 1: a three gun competition and kind of figure your way out.

1873
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 1: It's just the reloading part. And then again startling around

1874
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 1: to those quad loads you with your eyes light up

1875
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 1: like saucers is so cool. There's another cool modification to

1876
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:45,160
Speaker 1: that shotgun is that the gosh I don't know what

1877
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:47,320
Speaker 1: you call that little part, but basically just when you're

1878
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:49,320
Speaker 1: looking down into the tube and you can just see

1879
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 1: the brass end if you have a shell loaded in there,

1880
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Speaker 1: right and if the guns upside down, the lip that

1881
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:59,200
Speaker 1: normally would just be perfectly around it is sort of

1882
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 1: shaved and ramped so that as you're sliding those two

1883
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:06,360
Speaker 1: in there, your thumb doesn't catch and you don't have

1884
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:08,160
Speaker 1: to push it quite as far in there for it

1885
01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 1: to catch. That's a nice modification. Yes, So he's talking

1886
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:15,719
Speaker 1: about is the receiver. The actual receiver at the bottom

1887
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:17,439
Speaker 1: of the shotgun, where the lifter is, where the shells

1888
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:20,960
Speaker 1: going is opened up. So we called those milled receivers.

1889
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,759
Speaker 1: So some people go into the CNC machine, they'll actually

1890
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:26,479
Speaker 1: mill those outlets, have a program for it. And what

1891
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:28,560
Speaker 1: I did with my first shotgun is I took a

1892
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 1: dreambal tool and I went to town and you'll find

1893
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 1: that motion. Oh hell yeah. Most competitive shooters, we are.

1894
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I've ran into other people across

1895
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 1: country who they teach classes, but they're not in the

1896
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:43,040
Speaker 1: competitive world, and so I'm shielded. I started. You just

1897
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:45,519
Speaker 1: heard my story. I started competitive shooting six months after

1898
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:47,799
Speaker 1: the first time I bought a gun. So I've almost

1899
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:51,800
Speaker 1: exclusively lived in the competitive shooting world. I'm not exposed

1900
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:55,479
Speaker 1: to the recreational shooter, uh per se, and so I'm

1901
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:59,760
Speaker 1: not made privy to those weird um ideas that they have.

1902
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:02,599
Speaker 1: And one of those ideas is that you can't modify

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01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:05,439
Speaker 1: your firearm and have it still be safe. We're in

1904
01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:08,840
Speaker 1: competitive shooting. We will take a Drumbell tool to our

1905
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 1: gun at blink of an eye. I mean we we

1906
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:14,760
Speaker 1: will get right in there and open everything up and

1907
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 1: make it way better. Oh yeah, without having that like

1908
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:21,880
Speaker 1: well it's grandpa's old. Well we're not gonna do that

1909
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:24,280
Speaker 1: to Grandpa's because Grandpa's got is not sophisticated enough for

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Speaker 1: our purposes. We totally the total length that we actually ran, yes,

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Speaker 1: which I'll I will say that I don't think I

1912
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:36,320
Speaker 1: ever actually hit run For me personally, I might have

1913
01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:39,679
Speaker 1: gotten to like a you have a very long day shuffle,

1914
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:44,800
Speaker 1: so you you would do like this this long saunter over. Yeah,

1915
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:46,519
Speaker 1: I feel like it would almost slow me down if

1916
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 1: I got up to top speed. It would take me

1917
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 1: so much again come to a stop or slow down

1918
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 1: or whatever. But again, we can spend so much time

1919
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:03,479
Speaker 1: on this. Um. Yeah, so there a question is is

1920
01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 1: about this? Is like we only roughly we went fifty yards,

1921
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 1: are still right from where we started to where we

1922
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:11,479
Speaker 1: stopped shooting the pistol. There were other targets that were farther.

1923
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 1: We shot with the rifle right at the hundred. But like,

1924
01:44:15,200 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 1: how much is actual you looked at when I see you,

1925
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:20,479
Speaker 1: I think that person is an athlete? How much is

1926
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:24,400
Speaker 1: athleticism really play in this? Good question? Yeah, No, that's

1927
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:27,479
Speaker 1: an excellent question. So I will tell you right now

1928
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:31,080
Speaker 1: that it makes a big difference. But you don't have

1929
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 1: to be incredibly athletic in order to be successful in

1930
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:37,960
Speaker 1: action shooting, right. And so to give you an example,

1931
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 1: there's this guy back home. His name is Don Celeski.

1932
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 1: Actually he I don't know if he's familiar with y'all,

1933
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:45,760
Speaker 1: but he's got an Africa whole bunch to hunt and

1934
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:48,400
Speaker 1: stuff like. He's such a cool guy anyway. So he's

1935
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:51,599
Speaker 1: this old geezer. He wears two knee braces, right, and

1936
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 1: he like has this hunch, but he is like the

1937
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 1: most accurate person ever. He takes his sweet time, but

1938
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:02,200
Speaker 1: he's just accurate and he places very well. And there

1939
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:04,439
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who don't necessarily have

1940
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 1: the economy of movement, but there when they do pull

1941
01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:10,439
Speaker 1: that trigger, they mean every time, they're very efficient and

1942
01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 1: so they do well. Right, But when you get up

1943
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:17,160
Speaker 1: to that upper you know, level, that upper of shooters,

1944
01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:22,080
Speaker 1: the athleticism does make a difference because, um, the when

1945
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:26,000
Speaker 1: you are being very very conscious of how you're moving

1946
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:28,960
Speaker 1: your body, that's efficiency, and that when we start breaking

1947
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:32,240
Speaker 1: down the tents of a second, the difference of Um,

1948
01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:34,719
Speaker 1: like what you said, when you're sauntering over, you concern

1949
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 1: about stopping in time, so we do like a stutter step, right,

1950
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 1: So the difference between having a efficient stutter step into

1951
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:46,000
Speaker 1: a stop and already having your gun up on a

1952
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 1: target versus running somewhere, stopping and then drawing could be

1953
01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:50,880
Speaker 1: two tents of a second, and that could be the

1954
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:54,520
Speaker 1: difference between winning or losing a match. So it's like choreography.

1955
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 1: It is choreography, So you don't necessarily have to be

1956
01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:59,720
Speaker 1: athletic per se, but you have to really understand how

1957
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 1: to move a body in efficient way. I can see

1958
01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:05,280
Speaker 1: at a point like competitively, Um, you could be like

1959
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:07,920
Speaker 1: a great shooter and have great hand eye coordination, but

1960
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 1: in the end of like you would save seconds off

1961
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:13,320
Speaker 1: your time if you were super agile. And again it

1962
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:17,240
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily like you're proving everything like your equipment. You're

1963
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:20,160
Speaker 1: trying to make your equipment maximized. You're trying to make

1964
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:23,200
Speaker 1: your your procedures and methods maximized. Like you're probably gonna

1965
01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 1: wind up maximizing the physical component. Like you want to

1966
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:29,519
Speaker 1: make everything better, right, Like how are you using your

1967
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:32,160
Speaker 1: body and space? Are you being specific with your movements

1968
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:36,519
Speaker 1: or just yeah, you're all over the place and it's yeah,

1969
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:41,640
Speaker 1: undermining efficiency. I guess absolutely absolutely what observations questions you

1970
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:45,720
Speaker 1: got grind, I guess, uh where where you feel like

1971
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 1: the application is to hunting and you know the speed

1972
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:54,680
Speaker 1: or I was talking to Garrett earlier and he was

1973
01:46:54,720 --> 01:47:00,680
Speaker 1: saying one thing about practicing three gun is like target acquisition.

1974
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 1: So something right like if something an animal is is

1975
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:10,880
Speaker 1: moving you're looking carefully, is moving between trees disappears, you know,

1976
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:14,840
Speaker 1: there's some kind of speed, the accuracy, like you're just

1977
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:19,080
Speaker 1: trying to dial that in. I've seen more game get

1978
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:21,960
Speaker 1: the slip on someone because they didn't get on it

1979
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 1: and shoot when they should have. Then then they missed

1980
01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:29,800
Speaker 1: like like right right right there, and the like I

1981
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:34,400
Speaker 1: can't find it. I'm like getting on. I think getting on.

1982
01:47:34,479 --> 01:47:36,360
Speaker 1: I think the shotgun stuff is really good for like

1983
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:39,439
Speaker 1: just being fast, especially picture and like hunting cotton tails

1984
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 1: or you know, quail whatever, like wing shooting. I think

1985
01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 1: that just that ability to like see something and shoot,

1986
01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:49,080
Speaker 1: see something shoot, I think, um, that's probably I guess

1987
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:51,040
Speaker 1: the most obvious ones. And then also just a thing

1988
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:58,160
Speaker 1: of like learning that mindset of being methodical, being finicky

1989
01:47:58,200 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 1: about your gear, knowing that like this goes there, that

1990
01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:04,680
Speaker 1: goes there. I do this, This is my routine, This

1991
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:08,840
Speaker 1: is my method, you know, I shoot this way right,

1992
01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:14,880
Speaker 1: and um like getting in that mind frame of procedure. Uh,

1993
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:19,040
Speaker 1: it's helpful, But I don't know that it would. I

1994
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 1: think that there'd be like more like if you wanted

1995
01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:26,760
Speaker 1: to just train to uh just trained to be a

1996
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:29,639
Speaker 1: wing shooter or just trained to be a good big

1997
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:33,799
Speaker 1: game hunter, I think you would find ways to train

1998
01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:37,800
Speaker 1: obviously much more specifically. It wouldn't be as much fun,

1999
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:41,760
Speaker 1: but you can train much more specifically. I think that's

2000
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 1: a great point is working on those those transitions and

2001
01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:47,600
Speaker 1: understanding your scope, going from that dialed in you know,

2002
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:49,519
Speaker 1: three power at hud yards all the way down to

2003
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, one point five to one. And yeah, I

2004
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 1: think that there's a lot more applicable with hunting shooting.

2005
01:48:56,320 --> 01:49:00,120
Speaker 1: I believe overall competitive shooting makes you very proficient with

2006
01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 1: your platforms, right, and it's just general firearm handling. You

2007
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:09,200
Speaker 1: guys fiddle around with your stuff, you know that, oh

2008
01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:13,280
Speaker 1: how this work well? And that's the thing. When I

2009
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:16,120
Speaker 1: first walked into a gun shop when I was you know,

2010
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:19,120
Speaker 1: newer to it. You know, I remember sitting there so nervous,

2011
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:21,599
Speaker 1: like I couldn't remember how to pull back the slide

2012
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:25,640
Speaker 1: and have it stay open, and you know, all those controls.

2013
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:29,000
Speaker 1: Just it made me anxious. And now it's like if

2014
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 1: I walk into a gun shop, normally, if they see

2015
01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:33,880
Speaker 1: me handle a gun, they just stepped back and they're like, really,

2016
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:39,559
Speaker 1: you do things clearly, you know what you're doing, but

2017
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:44,000
Speaker 1: you know so again, when you take it upon yourself

2018
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:47,120
Speaker 1: to be a better marksman, whether if it's through competitute,

2019
01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:51,240
Speaker 1: Tissian shooting or another avenue, than overall your understanding of

2020
01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:55,479
Speaker 1: firearms is going to expand exponentially. And the difference between

2021
01:49:55,479 --> 01:49:57,639
Speaker 1: competition just going to the range of practice is that

2022
01:49:57,720 --> 01:50:00,120
Speaker 1: you now have you have all of these rules, as

2023
01:50:00,160 --> 01:50:02,920
Speaker 1: you have people who are pushing you, You have ways

2024
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:06,200
Speaker 1: to gauge your improvement, and you have something to hold

2025
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:09,000
Speaker 1: you accountable. It's a very social support, right, and so

2026
01:50:09,160 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 1: every you know, weekend or once a month, or however

2027
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:13,599
Speaker 1: much you want to compete, you have your buddies there

2028
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:16,760
Speaker 1: at the range, and the commodity is incredible, and so

2029
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:19,760
Speaker 1: you you build this this conjured spiritment. They hold you accountable,

2030
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:21,400
Speaker 1: Like if you don't choke for a match or two,

2031
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:23,800
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, where the heck were you? Um and

2032
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:28,120
Speaker 1: so again that dairy queen. If you're not safe, they're

2033
01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:30,240
Speaker 1: not gonna if you're not safe, yeah, they're not gonna

2034
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:32,280
Speaker 1: ascend to dairy queen if you just don't show up, Like, hey,

2035
01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, I think you deserve it. You hold accountable.

2036
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:37,640
Speaker 1: I meant like, there's like a very I would like

2037
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:42,439
Speaker 1: to point out that there is a um extremely strong

2038
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:46,439
Speaker 1: emphasis on safe handling. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean you know,

2039
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:48,960
Speaker 1: and y'all probably saw it today. I would get asked

2040
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:51,040
Speaker 1: a question, but then out of the periphle of my eye,

2041
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:53,680
Speaker 1: if I saw something I didn't like, I'm like, I

2042
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:55,400
Speaker 1: literally hold up my hand be like, hey, what are

2043
01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:57,840
Speaker 1: you doing over there? You know? Are you breaking the

2044
01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:00,000
Speaker 1: one A d are you? You know? Loading that guy?

2045
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:01,880
Speaker 1: And when I didn't tell you loaded or you know whatever?

2046
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:05,720
Speaker 1: Uh so we are above. There's a lot going on.

2047
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 1: You gotta pay You gotta be like spatially aware what's happening.

2048
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 1: You have to be very aware. Tell tell people how

2049
01:51:11,120 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 1: to tell people how to find if they want to

2050
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:14,920
Speaker 1: come check out because Instagram is cool, because you can

2051
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:16,600
Speaker 1: see what you kind of get like a sense you

2052
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 1: put videos up and ship like that. Yeah. So I

2053
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 1: put videos up on and I'm probably more strong on

2054
01:51:21,160 --> 01:51:23,759
Speaker 1: Instagram than anything. People keep telling me to do YouTube.

2055
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 1: So I don't know any girl. H three gun girl

2056
01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:30,640
Speaker 1: is Instagram. Um, and you're writing your videos are on

2057
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:33,519
Speaker 1: guns dot com they are? Yeah, So I do so

2058
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:35,640
Speaker 1: all my travels because we're talking earlier about how I

2059
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:37,479
Speaker 1: live in a camp for travel across country. I post

2060
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:39,240
Speaker 1: all those to my stories so you can see my

2061
01:51:39,240 --> 01:51:43,280
Speaker 1: awesome photography from you know where I'm at. All my stories, um,

2062
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:45,960
Speaker 1: and then all the videos that I do on fire

2063
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:48,559
Speaker 1: and reviews, educational videos, those are with guns dot Com.

2064
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:51,559
Speaker 1: So they have a YouTube channel, which is like probably

2065
01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:54,879
Speaker 1: the most popular platform, and then they have a website

2066
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 1: as well. Um. But that's that's most the work that

2067
01:51:57,320 --> 01:51:58,920
Speaker 1: I do for them. So that's that's how you can

2068
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:00,800
Speaker 1: find me. And then where if people want to go

2069
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:03,400
Speaker 1: and they want to go, uh spectate at a three

2070
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:06,559
Speaker 1: gun tournament, what's sort of like the what's like the

2071
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:09,759
Speaker 1: hot website for seeing what's going on in that world? Ah? Yes, okay,

2072
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:11,960
Speaker 1: so this is the moment I have been waiting for

2073
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:15,040
Speaker 1: this entire podcast. If you want to get into competitions shooting,

2074
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:19,400
Speaker 1: um look at So first of all, go to practice score.

2075
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 1: So that is like think of the word practice and

2076
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:27,439
Speaker 1: then the words score, so it's actually practice score, sear

2077
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:31,479
Speaker 1: not practice practice score. Yeah, practice score. So go to

2078
01:52:31,479 --> 01:52:34,759
Speaker 1: practice score, pull up your town and you could type

2079
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:37,519
Speaker 1: in us P s A three gun whatever. You could

2080
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:39,360
Speaker 1: just plug in your town or your state, like I

2081
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:41,479
Speaker 1: already pulled him up in Montana. There's a club in

2082
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:44,439
Speaker 1: Big Sky UM that does usps A competition, so I

2083
01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:46,879
Speaker 1: might try to hop into one of those UM anyways,

2084
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:48,320
Speaker 1: So you could go there and figure out where your

2085
01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:51,880
Speaker 1: local competition is from there, then you could get the

2086
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:54,920
Speaker 1: contact information for the match director and ask him like hey,

2087
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:58,240
Speaker 1: I'm a new shooter, I need gear or I need advice,

2088
01:52:58,439 --> 01:53:02,400
Speaker 1: and I would guarantee that they're going to be helpful

2089
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:05,400
Speaker 1: to you and getting into competition shooting. And then on

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Speaker 1: Facebook you could just research local groups and they're yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: so Instagram at n H three like numeral three gun girl.

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Speaker 1: That's it. And then practical score. If you want to

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Speaker 1: get into competitions and guns dot com, great you are

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Speaker 1: l just lay it right out yeah, it's very it's

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Speaker 1: very guns Stockholm. That's why I love it. The problem though,

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Speaker 1: is because it says dot com. When you start to

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Speaker 1: type it into social media, they automatically want to like

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Speaker 1: link to. And it's like when I'm texting someone about

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Speaker 1: guns dot com and automatically is trying to give me

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Speaker 1: the website. I'm like, no, I'm just trying to say it.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to share it, but I digress. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Taylor Thorne. Thanks for it was a great day.

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Speaker 1: It was like a genuine range day, awesome day. It

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Speaker 1: was a range day and it was a fun range day.

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Speaker 1: It was awesome, all right. Thanks a lot. Thank you.