1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always 3 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. As we begin today's episode, 4 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: which is a very special episode, by the way, one 5 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: I'm quite excited about. Why don't why don't all our 6 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: fellow ridiculous historians just take a gander at our feet? 7 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: What are you wearing? Uh? You know, are you? Are 8 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: you going more barefoot on natural in these our days 9 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: of pandemic? Maybe you got some house sandals. Maybe you 10 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: have some l A lights or other kind of uh, 11 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: they might be called gimmicky shoes. We'll we'll update you 12 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: on what our super producer Casey Pegram and our producer 13 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: Max Williams are wearing at some point in the future. 14 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: But today's episode is about shoes, maybe not the way 15 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: you think. And in today's episode, I am joined, I'm ben. 16 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm joined by a very special guest. You've heard him 17 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: on the show before, you've heard us talk about him 18 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: on the show before. Fellow Ridiculous Historians, please join me 19 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: and welcoming the one the Only Mr Matt Frederick. Oh wow, 20 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: you messed up. You messed up, And let me back 21 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: in Oh, and the crowd goes wild. Not since that 22 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: terribly recorded hotel episode, have you seen or heard of 23 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: me on this show? Well? That was you were in 24 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: character for much of that episode as well, weren't you. Yeah? 25 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: I just remember I was trying to engineer it and 26 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: figure out how to get my voice on it, and 27 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: it was in a hotel. That's right, we had We 28 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: have been through. Uh, We've been through some weird trenches 29 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 1: in this In these careers of ours, Matt, We've recorded 30 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: in hotels, We've been stuck in airports and cars together. 31 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: There are some pretty neat stories that we can maybe 32 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: share along the way. My first question for you, Matt, 33 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: dear dear friend, kind of shoes are you wearing? Bro? Oh, 34 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: let me check the old feet here. I've got on 35 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: some Columbia like water resistant hiking shoes right now, hiking 36 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: shoes on. Okay, I like it. Uh, Folks, you may 37 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: not know this, but Matt and I are are somewhat 38 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: similar in that we both were both weirdly prepared for things. 39 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: So are you weirdly prepared to take a hike? Under 40 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: my desk where I'm recording right now, there's a go bag. 41 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: So there's one in my car, and there's one immediately 42 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: here where I can reach down and grab it. Have 43 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: got I'm hiking books already. We're ready to go, throw 44 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: the kid on my shoulder, get out of here, just 45 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: in case the zoom meeting goes wrong. Go yeah, and 46 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: they can go very wrong, as we have all learned, 47 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: but nothing yet. So well, we'll see. It's funny. We're 48 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: we're sitting here chatting about something going wrong and an 49 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: ambulance literally went by or a police officer. I'm not 50 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,839 Speaker 1: sure which siren that was, but it immediately went off 51 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: on in Ben's zoom. Yes, that's true. I am. I 52 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: live in a somewhat infamous part of town here in Atlanta, 53 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: as do you, Matt. Actually, now I think about it, 54 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: and you know, as a recordings sometimes this will be 55 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: the street I live on as a main artery for 56 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: the city, so we'll hear what I sometimes call non 57 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: consensual ubers that are that are taking people to and fro. 58 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: But today's episode is something that Matt, I had specifically 59 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: asked you to hang out with and talk about with 60 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: me here because there's a little bit of background. Um 61 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: to say it in a sentence today we're talking about 62 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: this weird tendency for people to where very very pointy shoes. 63 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: Like not, when we say pointy, we're not talking about 64 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: high heels that come to a point, or maybe pointy 65 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: dress shoes. We're talking about something that you have actually 66 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: seen in the modern day matt in your neck of 67 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: the Atlanta woods, right, Yes, it's it's very true. We 68 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: are talking about shoes that you may imagine only seeing 69 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: in ancient medieval paintings, maybe seeing gosh, where else would 70 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: you see something like this, Maybe if you've been to 71 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: a museum at some point and you've seen armor that 72 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: soldiers would wear, very specific soldiers from specific places. But yes, 73 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: in my neck of the woods there exists these types 74 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: of extremely pointy shoes. I cannot stress how extreme the 75 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: point is. I live on Beufford Highway in Atlanta, which 76 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: is an extremely ethnically diverse area, and there is a 77 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: place close to where I live where there are a 78 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: lot of dance clubs and music clubs that primarily are 79 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: for Spanish speaking clientele and audience, and lots of music 80 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: that comes directly out of Mexico and around these clubs. 81 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: Let's say at a q T that is somewhat close 82 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: to one of these clubs. If you're there at a 83 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: certain time on the weekend, on a certain night, you 84 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: will see shoes that defy both gravity and generally practical. 85 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: Yes that it just doesn't make any sense until you 86 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: begin to look into it, And that's what this whole 87 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: episode is all about. Right, That's that's a great way 88 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: to kick us off, because the story of weirdly elongated 89 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: point to shoe is much much older than some of 90 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: us might think today. We're talking about something that if 91 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: your fancy is known as crack Ow or Poulaye, these 92 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: are a kind of shoe with these dr Seussi and 93 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: like pointy tips, and they take their name and what 94 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: most people believe is their origin from the actual Crackow, 95 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: the capital of Poland. And like Matt said, if you've 96 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: ever been reading through an historical book about medieval Europe, 97 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: or you've looked closely at medieval art, then you've probably 98 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: seen these shoes before. You might not know that they 99 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: have a story, but visually they're they're pretty hard to miss. 100 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: They look bizarre, they look impractical, they look weird, and 101 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,679 Speaker 1: they were They were super duper popular, not just in Poland, 102 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: but in England, all kinds of other parts of Europe. 103 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: Can we can we talk a little bit about what 104 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: the crack ow just in general looked like. Oh yeah, 105 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: imagine a shoe that is largely leather. It doesn't have 106 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: the soul the way you'd imagine maybe your shoes do 107 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: right now, doesn't have the kind of support that your 108 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: shoes have. It's almost like a a leather wrap that's 109 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: very hardy. Now imagine that at the end of that 110 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: leather wrap that's around your foot, right by your toes, 111 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: it extends out anywhere from six to fifteen inches, maybe 112 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: even twenty inches twenty four inches if you're real nasty, 113 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: uh and Weirdly, this is one of those fashion trends 114 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: that has occurred throughout history, because there there are moments 115 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: in trends where and I hate to separate it this way, 116 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: but it is very much separated this way in books 117 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: and in the research that we've got about this topic, 118 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: separating men's fashion and women's fashion. This is one of 119 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: those cases where it was mostly men, young men who 120 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: were wearing these shoes. Yea, and in the europe in case, 121 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: they were often a little more wealthy. They were the 122 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: leisure class, because, as you can imagine just hearing that 123 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: description these shoes, you couldn't get a lot of work 124 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: done do it wearing these? You know. Uh people the 125 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: people wore these were often considered gentlemen. They would stuff 126 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: those pointy toes with hay or whale bone support. It 127 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: was very important to them that they had perky points 128 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: on their shoes. Nobody wanted floppity points, which I'm sure 129 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: is the technical terms. Well, imagine the imagine the exactly 130 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: imagine the materials you're you're talking about mostly leather and 131 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: maybe a couple of other materials in there, So that 132 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: would be crazy floppy if it was just some leather 133 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: at the end. So yeah, the whale bone and also, 134 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: well that's pretty that's like, that's not the thing the 135 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: average peasant would have. Yes, they wouldn't. It wouldn't be 136 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: like your rid old is whalebone. Gee, But who would 137 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: have whalebone? The tailors who are making corsets right around 138 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: that time and other pieces of clothing material that used 139 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: whalebone quite often and was sold to people who are 140 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: wealthy enough to buy the majority of their clothes. So, 141 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: of course, the more conservative aspects of society, the rulers 142 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: of society at the time, they hated this stuff. Of course, 143 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: it had a silly name given by its opponents, these 144 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: crack ow We're called devil's fingers, which is maybe I'm 145 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: thinking of ladies fingers, but today that sounds like it 146 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: would be the name of a snack made by hostess 147 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: or something. You know what I mean, Devil's fingers, But that, 148 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: you know, anything that's out of the ordinary, you can 149 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: imagine a large religious institution such as the Church of 150 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: England would take issue with it, because if it's different 151 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: and strange, it probably has something the fare us going 152 00:09:53,320 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: on in your mind, as the Church of England. So 153 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: let's say you're back in this time. He got your 154 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: first pair of pikes, as they might have also been called, 155 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: and you're thinking, who do I need to thank for 156 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: these amazing shoes? I am officially ankled down like one 157 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: of the coolest people on the planet. Who should I 158 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: send the thank you card? Too? Well, that would be 159 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: count Folk of Andrew. At least that's what a lot 160 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 1: of historians say that he is the source of this 161 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: in Europe, and the story about why he's the source 162 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: of this in Europe is speculative, but sad. The idea 163 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: is that he started poo lanes as a trend because 164 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: he had some sort of foot deformity. Yeah, and that's 165 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: kind of the right. That's like maybe the origins of it. 166 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: But we can't tell for sure, because we do know 167 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: that pointed toad shoes were a thing well before this. 168 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: It was it was something that was happening prior to 169 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: count Folk. Count FULK. I really like count FULK. It 170 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: sounds like a villain. Just the name Folk sounds sort 171 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: of like if he were in the Marvel universe, he 172 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: would be a villain. Yes, yes, yes, but so so 173 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: before we count FULK. In the in what would be 174 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: considered the Middle East or the Near Middle East, there 175 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: has been a tradition of somewhat pointed shoes since good 176 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: Lord with three thousand b C. Three excuse me, excuse me, 177 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: not BC anymore? What is it? D c E. There 178 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: we go before a common era, the Istanbul not Constantinople, 179 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: kind of kind of situation going on BC and b C. Yeah, 180 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: you're right. It was around for millennia literally, and Folk, 181 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: it was also sometimes known as Folk of Jerusalem, went 182 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: on a crusade in eleven twenty and he stayed in 183 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: the Middle East until his death twenty three years later 184 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: in three So this leads historians to conjecture it's possible 185 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: that crusaders in the twelfth century were influenced by the 186 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: trends they saw in the Middle East, and then when 187 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: they came back to the West, they carried some of 188 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: these fashions with them, which is pretty common during those 189 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: sorts of regional conflicts. Oh yeah, what do you bring back? 190 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: Spices for sure, because if you control the spice, you 191 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: know how it goes. Then, um, fabrics of any kind. 192 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: We know the history of silk and how it ended 193 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: up going across the world, and really other types of 194 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: clothing that were just would be considered highly unique, somewhat 195 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: bizarre to the rest of society in a different part 196 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: of the world. Yeah, and this happens during, of course, 197 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: the many branches of international trade over history to games 198 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: like what we would recognize his chess today, migrate along 199 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: trade patterns. I love that you point out spices and 200 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: food that kind of stuff, especially I would say spices 201 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: or more commodity at this point than they are considered 202 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: a food stuff, right, Like this is a species that 203 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: used peppercorns for currency once upon a time. It's true 204 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: we dig spices. I mean you think about the first 205 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: time something like Gara Massala made its way across. I 206 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,599 Speaker 1: remember the first time it made its way across to 207 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: my palate. I haven't been the same since. Yes, it's 208 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: a very specific change. We had a meeting about it 209 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: at work. Uh so, yeah, I I know exactly what 210 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: you mean there. And this is something that people still 211 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: experience today. It's a very common part of human psychology. 212 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: You want to be unique, you want to make a statement, 213 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: and you also want to be up on the newest 214 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: cool thing, whether it's the modern era or the Middle Ages. 215 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: Everybody kind of wants to keep up with the Joneses 216 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: and stay in front of the other, whomever the not 217 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: Joneses are or the count folks in his in his crew. Yeah, 218 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: and so there's an issue here of exaggeration that occurs 219 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: because even the longest pointy toad shoes in the Middle 220 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: East had nothing on what was happening in Europe once 221 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: they found out about this pattern. Because the Middle Eastern 222 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: shoes didn't have points that were more than half of 223 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: the length of the foot they were, they were usually 224 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: they were just like a modest point about two inches 225 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: beyond the longest toe. That's it. That's it. So they 226 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: look they look cool, they look distinctive, but you can 227 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: also do stuff in them. Yeah, for sure, for sure. 228 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: And and it's it's something we should point out that 229 00:14:54,640 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: the style of shoe was pretty dang popular until century. 230 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: And it's not like it just showed up, made a 231 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: huge splash everybody wore and then it went away. It's 232 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: just one of those trends that it became popular and 233 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: it continued on and around that time, kind of early 234 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: on in the trend in the Western world with these 235 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: pointed shoes. It wasn't like they were going ham in 236 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: the West either about this. They weren't trying to go 237 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: two feet out from the foot like some of the 238 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: craziness we mentioned at the top of this episode. They were. 239 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: There was a pretty standard thing. It was just okay, 240 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: well there's a pointed shoe and it looks pretty good. 241 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: But it never really went away. It just kind of 242 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: stuck around for a while until the fourteenth century. Okay, 243 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: the fourteenth century. They are these Western merchants who were 244 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: trading in the Baltic region. They travel to areas of 245 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: the Baltics where these shoes are quite popular, and they say, oh, 246 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: we've discovered these, and so they call it the Poland 247 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: fashion or poo lane to style, and they take it 248 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: back to Western Europe. According to the Museum of London, 249 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: the term Polane evolves from French term that just means 250 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: from Poland. So they were basically calling them Poland shoes 251 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: or later Krackow shoes. That's right. And as it became 252 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: more and more popular. How this as the trend grew, 253 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: so did there we go, Yes, there's a toe based 254 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: arms race here to be the coolest kid. You could 255 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: literally say that with the foolish lengths for fashion, the Polanes, 256 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: we think, oh and shout out to our research associate Gabe. 257 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: That's that's that's one of the things he really wanted 258 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: to hit. So they have a Gabe. If Gabe ever 259 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: puts in a pun or writes writes a cool turner phrase, 260 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: we're very quick to platform and we were at no 261 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: pun left behind show. You know, sometimes that doesn't always 262 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: work out, but it's about the principle. So so the 263 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: ones we think of today when we think of point 264 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: issues in in historical documents and in illustrations from the time. 265 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: They probably did come about in forty or roundabouts in 266 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: Poland and crack out. And then Polish nobles came to 267 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: visit the Polish wife of the British King Richard the second. 268 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: And when these nobles came, of course they showed out. 269 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: They're wearing their best, their coolest gear, right, you know, 270 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: the good cloak, the clean breaches, and of course they're 271 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: going to rock the crackhouse. What are you talking about? Yeah, dude, 272 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: they show up in court and you know how English 273 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: court went at that time, you know, like and we're 274 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: not talking about a court like with a judge. They're 275 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: just in these massive rooms where everyone is just displaying 276 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: and hanging out. And one they're just having so much 277 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: merriment because they don't have to do anything. All of 278 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: their servants are doing everything for them. They just get 279 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: to have a good old time. And you, oh, there 280 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: were some English dudes over they're going good. God, do 281 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: you see the points on those shoes? The audacity audacity 282 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: do not have a power for us? What what what? 283 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: What would be? What's the reason for this? But certainly 284 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: they're doing something with those points, right, I know, it's not, 285 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: but they have flexed too hard. You're right, You're right. 286 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: We must make we must make our own and much 287 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: more pointy. Yeah, indeed, and that is a that is 288 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: a you know, obviously a historical, accurate, historical reenactment. We 289 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: translated that from the dialect of the time. It's true. 290 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: And the thing is, they would have known a little 291 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: bit about slightly pointy shoes, just that ridiculously pointy shoes, 292 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: because they've they had that. Um, do you remember I 293 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: Like Big Butts by Serve Mix a Lot. No, I 294 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: can't remember that song at all. It's just my mantra 295 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: for every day, right, because you're never constantly singing that 296 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: whenever we're not on air. Yeah, the I've picked her. 297 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: Maybe those two, those two folks in court are like 298 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: the two women at the beginning of I Like Big Butts. 299 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Becky, look at her, Oh my god, Becky, 300 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: look at his shoes. They're so pointing and they are big. 301 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: So you know, I guess it really does mesh up. 302 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: Do you think he's one of those Polish nobles boyfriends. 303 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the whole thing. No, No, we're not 304 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: gonna get to the verse but uh, but maybe right, 305 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: write the lyrics if you'd like, we'd love to hear 306 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: from you. You can post them at Ridiculous Historians on Facebook. So, yeah, 307 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: this is something they've never seen it taken to this level. 308 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: And so for over a century, actually a ton of 309 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: mainly as you said earlier, Matt, a ton of male 310 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: nobles were wearing these in Europe, and it became such 311 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: a craze that every person who could afford shoes wore 312 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: some form of polis. Though in general we're talking about 313 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: the big tippers. They really are the realm of nobility 314 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: because those folks can just walk around. I'll say it. 315 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: I'll say it clown shoes there when they get to 316 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: that point, and not a comment on any current trends, 317 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: but when they get to that point in medieval Europe, 318 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: they are like clown shoes. They're hard to walk it. 319 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: It almost seems as though they are purposely designed to 320 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: have comedic effect. There's the perfect time to talk about 321 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: the walking styles of people's before the advent of shoes, 322 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,959 Speaker 1: modern shoes, with the types of heels that we have, 323 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: even even with the you know, the most lowly of 324 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: the shoe. Right now that you can find anywhere to 325 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: the fanciest of shoe. There is a style that we 326 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: really have, and it affects the way humans walk because 327 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: these shoes make us walk on the heel of our 328 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: foot a lot of times. But if you're wearing the 329 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: types of shoes that a lot of the folks will 330 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,479 Speaker 1: be wearing back then you're going to be walking on 331 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: the ball of your foot right up there by your toes. 332 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: So it's a very different walking style. And you can 333 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: see some videos online, by the way, like Historical Body 334 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: Mechanics by Roland. I don't know how to say it correctly, 335 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: but cha, I think brilliant stuff really shows you the 336 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: difference in the way people walked back then as opposed 337 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: to the way they walk now. And these giant pointed 338 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: shoes really would have had an effect on your ability 339 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: to walk around. Yeah, you're a slowly right. It's strange 340 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: because there are so many things in the history of 341 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: fashion that seemed purposely designed two exhibit the fact, or 342 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: to draw attention to the fact that the person rocking 343 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: these fashions does not have to work the same way 344 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: that other people do, you know what I mean. And 345 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: some of those traditions can be quite horrific, like the 346 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: practice of foot binding right in China. So this this 347 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: isn't to that level. But it's clearly it's just silly. 348 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: It's clear like your fleet. You clearly want people to 349 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: know that you are, you know, like you're down with 350 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: polish shoes. And you also don't have to have a 351 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: job almost but well, yeah, it's pretty much that you don't. 352 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: You at least don't have to walk in in any distance. 353 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: You can go from one side of the room to 354 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: the other. And if you shuffle a little bit, if 355 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: you you don't have to move your feet a little differently, 356 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: that's fine. But you're not going down to the market ever. 357 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: In those carriage, right right right, it better be a 358 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: good carriage, and in the driver of the carriage must 359 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: also have plains, but they can't be as big as mine, 360 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: says the noble. And that's actually that's the next thing 361 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: that's really weird about this. So we know that fashion 362 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: trends often not always, They evolve the number of different 363 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: ways through societies. But fashion trends can often or trends 364 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: of any sort can often start in the upper echelons 365 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: of society and then they filter down and as they 366 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: filter down increasingly toward whatever the you would think of 367 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: as the commoner. At that point in that society, they 368 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: become less important and less prestigious to the people who 369 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: are there in the first place. This happens today with 370 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: all sorts of things. We do have one important difference 371 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: though here in the modern day in the US, as 372 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: no one is going to make a law that's like 373 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: if if for some reason, silly hats very particularly, what 374 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: are those hats that like go on the back of 375 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: your head. Kids wear them and they have a little 376 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: propeller you know I'm talking about. I have no idea 377 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: what those are called? Um de bops spinning hats, Yeah, 378 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: deally bops. Okay, so what so like let's say, uh, 379 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: let's say the current president and La Musk and like 380 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: Dame Judy Dench Angela Merkel, they all just start wearing 381 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: those deily bops and no one says anything. It's just 382 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: super cool. Is it called a propeller hat or know 383 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: what it's called? I honestly have no idea spinner hat, 384 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: spinner hat. So so just for this example, which I 385 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: think I might have paid us into a quarter here, okay, 386 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: we'll try to sew it up. So imagine that happened 387 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: in one and then other people for some reason also 388 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: thought it was cool and they were like, I want 389 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: to be like the Titans of industry. Queen Elizabeth's got 390 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: one too, why not? And they're like, I want to 391 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: wear one in these Well, then now you totally could. 392 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: There would probably still be that same pattern where it's 393 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: where in the the well to do like these hats, 394 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: less and less is more and more people rock them, 395 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: and the spinners get larger and larger and larger and longer, 396 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: and soon we don't need cars or helicopters. Thousands die. 397 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: But but the difference here is that at this time 398 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: in Europe, the authorities were capable of making things called 399 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: some story laws, which meant that if they didn't like 400 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: other people rocking their style, they could make laws that 401 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: told certain classes of society, based upon where they were 402 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: in a larger hierarchy, what they were allowed to wear 403 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: or do or say often as well or eat. That's 404 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: a good one based right, yeah, yeah, exactly, So we 405 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: have the breakdown, right, Yes, if you're a commoner, you 406 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: must you can wear a pool, but it must be short, 407 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: very short. I think you go up to how off 408 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: of a foot for a commoner? Now that's all you get, 409 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: that's correct. Now, if you've leveled up and you are 410 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: a bourgeoisie, you may have a round of foot, let's 411 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: say one foot. Now if you are a night oh goodness, 412 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: well you may have one and a half feet. Now 413 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: that's great. One and a half feet for a night, 414 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: really functional, really great for the battlefield, really good for 415 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: just everything. Jousting, sword battles, even archery. Has really helped 416 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: out with the old poutine, poutine and then let's do 417 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: it the hats. The shoes were also often stuffed with 418 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: with kurds and grady and can you imagine the smell? 419 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: Not only is it old leather, but all that stuff 420 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: in it. Have you ever you've ever smelled poutine and thought, 421 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: I wish this smelled a little bit more like feet, 422 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: like unwashed feet. You know, I really have just add 423 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: some blue cheese in there, like you know, get a 424 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: little off the road and do that. But we're not 425 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: done here. So nights are great. Nights are awesome. But 426 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: what if you're a noble, Oh my god, you may 427 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: have all the way up to two feet. But if 428 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: you're here hanging out with the royalty, and maybe you're 429 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: a prince two and a half for you, pal, guess 430 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: what you win? You win the crack owl game. You've 431 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: got two and a half feet of extra leather just 432 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: flopping around unless you get that great whalebone in. In 433 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: this case, you're noble, so you've definitely got the bones 434 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: two and a half feet straight up. Points son, that's 435 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: how they talk. No, you're right like that at that point. 436 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: Just physically structurally, those whalebone inserts might not be the 437 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: best choice. So some of these princes these top of 438 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: the top of the shoe game, they had to use 439 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: these gold or silver chains attached from the tip of 440 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: the shoe to their knees in order to walk. This 441 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: looks even more clownish, but it's the origin of this 442 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: French expression. And my French is terrible. I'll have to 443 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: ask Casey later. But it means they're very to live 444 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: on a large foot. So it's literally it's very on 445 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: the nose, are very on the toe. It is referring 446 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: to that, and and people knew it was extravagant, and 447 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: they knew it wasn't practical, and that was part of 448 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: the peel you would. You would also want to this 449 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: is so weird. So we okay, we know about novelty 450 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: footwear in the modern day. Like I had Rebot pumps, 451 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: I had l a lights when I was a kid. 452 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: I like that. They did this too, but these were 453 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: grown ups. They had like a little bell on the 454 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: on the shoes sometimes when they were you know, at 455 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: a party, at a soiree, or they would even make 456 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: an ornament in the shape of a bird beak and 457 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: the's a dangle from the tip of the shoe. So 458 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: everywhere they were walking, they were not only flopping he 459 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: flopping around, but it was also like a coming throughs. Yeah, sorry, sorry, 460 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: that's perfect. I really really wish we had our friend 461 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickling on the show right now because he has 462 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: so much experience just in the Middle Ages. Uh man, 463 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: He's just been around everywhere he goes. He goes out 464 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: in the middle of Georgia and just time travels at 465 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: least once a year. Careful, careful, men. It's it's like 466 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: beetlejuice rules, you know. Yeah, we just have to be careful, 467 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: that's all I'm saying. It's he's always listening. Is the issue. 468 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how. I'm just saying I think he's 469 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: played a character before where he had one of those 470 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: one of one of those pointy shoes and then he 471 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: had the thing tied around his knee. I'm pretty sure 472 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: I've seen him in that get up. Yeah, you know, 473 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: he kills it at Renaissance, at the annual Renaissance Fair 474 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 1: Renaissance Festival. Oh yeah, the that's the rural time travel 475 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: thing I was talking about. Cool. I'm glad they're the 476 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: same thing. I thought I was picking up what you 477 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: were putting down, but I didn't want to presume. Oh 478 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: no worries. So don't say Jonathan Strickland again. You're saying, yeah, seriously, 479 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: that it happened. This is something that happens on this show. 480 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: I should have mentioned this earlier. Sometimes we get so 481 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: into an idea, a strange story that we're exploring that 482 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: we end up making a two part episode. And that's 483 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: what you and I have just done. Man, this is 484 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: this all this right now is just part one. Whoa, whoa, whoa. 485 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: So somehow we have warped into the first episode of two. 486 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: I really thought this was all one big thing. Like I. 487 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: If you would have you know, if you were to 488 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: just say this to me in the middle of nowhere, 489 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: like it's happening right now, I'll be so confused. So yeah, 490 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: that's the that's that's the that's on me. You know, honestly, 491 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: I can't put on Casey or Max or Andrew. That 492 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: one's on me. But I can't wait for us to 493 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: continue on part two. Are you gonna stay for part two? 494 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: I guess? I mean if if you'll have me, Are 495 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: you kidding? Please? If we didn't have you on part two, 496 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: then it would be like a crack owl without without 497 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: the toe. What's the point? Oh wow, that did not last. 498 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: That did not last. I think it would be like 499 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: it would be like the crack owl without the whale bone. 500 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: It would just be real floppy. Yeah, that is Thank 501 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: you for saving everyone from a floppity part two. We're 502 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: gonna call it a day here, folks. Thanks as always 503 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: to our super producers Casey Pegram, our guest producers Andrew Howard, 504 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: Max Williams, and Alex Williams, who composed this banging track. Matt, 505 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: thank you so very much for joining us today. Sir. 506 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: The last word goes to you. It could be any 507 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: word you watch and then after that word, if the 508 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: spirit so moves you maybe could tell the rest of 509 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,719 Speaker 1: our fellow ridiculous historians where they can find more of 510 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: your work. Last word, Jonathan, don't don't, don't do do 511 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: do do it seriously don't? Okay, alright, fine, fine, fine, um. 512 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: How about strange arrivals. That's it. That's really it. That's 513 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: all we got. And campell and ephemeral sees it two 514 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: and stuff they don't want you to know. If you're 515 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: not listening to stuff they don't want you to know, 516 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: get ready for something awesome that's about to happen on 517 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: that feed. So make sure you're over there. That's right, Yes, yes, 518 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: So Matt and I started stuff they don't want you 519 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: to know years and years ago, and we've done some 520 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: very weird things over our time on that show. We 521 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: have something extra special for you. This is Oh, it's 522 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: a weird way. Okay, we can't tell. We can't divulge 523 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: much for about that, other than we hope you tune 524 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: in for part two of kraw I don't know why 525 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: I've been saying it in an increasingly stentious accent off air. 526 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: Uh for pointy shoes. Yep, pointy shoes. Too extra point 527 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. Oh yeah. Just join us. 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