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Speaker 1: We are waiting on reparations. I'm waiting on this cold
Speaker 1: to be over, because you know, I've been sticking ship
Speaker 1: for like seven days almost. It's been terrible, sounding like
Speaker 1: berry white and ship you feeling better, It's not like
Speaker 1: prip keeper this bitch. Now I'm feeling better. Today is
Speaker 1: the best day I've had yet. I mean, I'm still
Speaker 1: not a dent, but I was like out, I was
Speaker 1: down for the count that was like fully sick, like fever, fatigue,
Speaker 1: sleeping like twelve hours a day. And then I got
Speaker 1: a COVID test zero COVID or supposedly the negative negative result.
Speaker 1: But I have never this profoundly while sick before lost
Speaker 1: my sense of taste and smell. I can't any anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I don't know anything. I've never
Speaker 1: I don't haven't experienced the COVID lost the taste and smell.
Speaker 1: But I've gotten sick to the point where I lost
Speaker 1: like my sense of like taste before. So I've had
Speaker 1: that like vaguely before. And I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: like psychological, where like I know that's like a symptom
Speaker 1: of of it, and so like it's freaking me out,
Speaker 1: and so I'm like perceiving it. I think that could
Speaker 1: be more than it is. But it's like it's it's
Speaker 1: really freaking me out, man, where I like, I'm it's
Speaker 1: like I'm not hungry, but I eat ravenously because I
Speaker 1: like miss tasting stuff so bad. I'm just like so sad,
Speaker 1: like trying a little bit of this, trying a little
Speaker 1: bit of that, trying to live in this on my place.
Speaker 1: Something tastes like anything. I'm gonna knock on wood because
Speaker 1: I am not. Like everybody. Everybody in Savannah is sick
Speaker 1: right now, like literally everybody's got delta. It's just it's
Speaker 1: sucking crazy, like everybody's sick like mad. Businesses are closed
Speaker 1: not because not because of any mandate, but just literally
Speaker 1: because like, oh, no one can come in to work today.
Speaker 1: It's that sort of ship going on. And I'm lucky
Speaker 1: because like I'm feeling tip top, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I haven't been going out for like the last
Speaker 1: three weeks or so. I've just been living in the
Speaker 1: studio and working on the show and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But you know, hopefully, hopefully this this thing can subside.
Speaker 1: Go out and get vaccinated, a job, be safe, fascinated.
Speaker 1: Just go do it, you know, it's so easy. And
Speaker 1: you know here last week we passed a new mass
Speaker 1: mandate for here in Athens. I know Savannah has passed
Speaker 1: one a couple of weeks ago. It hasn't affected. I mean,
Speaker 1: it hasn't really affected. How you know, people have been
Speaker 1: I guess people don't give not for the most part,
Speaker 1: I guess not. I mean that show. By the time
Speaker 1: y'all hear this, I will probably be recovering from the
Speaker 1: show with that Forroman on Wednesday. But that ship, no
Speaker 1: one has said anything to us about anything for that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I know it's a it's
Speaker 1: a pretty big stage. So I'm not really gonna be
Speaker 1: like up on people and ship, and they're not really
Speaker 1: going to be you know what I mean. So there's that,
Speaker 1: But yeah, it hasn't Besides, for people are kind of
Speaker 1: just waiting until they get sick before they think it seriously.
Speaker 1: And that's unfortunately, it's what got us where we are now. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: we also on Tuesday mandated vaccines for all um County employees. Word,
Speaker 1: how how are the how are the Repubs taking that
Speaker 1: up there? Oh my god? Well, the thing is so
Speaker 1: that's at the commission meeting, the Republicans showed out to
Speaker 1: just like spew two hours of hatred about how much
Speaker 1: they hate the homeless, because we had something benefiting the
Speaker 1: homeless on our agenda as well. But we had two
Speaker 1: County employees come up and speak on the mic um
Speaker 1: talking about how they would quit their jobs if we
Speaker 1: passed this vaccine mandate, which isn't even a minute. It's like,
Speaker 1: if you don't get vaccinated, you just have to get
Speaker 1: tested every week. It's not like you lose your job
Speaker 1: if you don't get like, if you're so adamant, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna get the vaccine here, you gotta get a
Speaker 1: test every week. That's it. That's all we were voting on,
Speaker 1: all we approved for. These people came up and said,
Speaker 1: I'm quitting my job if you all approve it tonight.
Speaker 1: And then the fucking Republicans and the audience, all fifty
Speaker 1: of them, were like plaiding and cheering, and it was
Speaker 1: so it was so obnoxious, and I was up there
Speaker 1: sick as hell, having a fucking fever, just like kill
Speaker 1: me please. That I'm wondering, right, is like is there
Speaker 1: opposition now? Just two vaccines in general, or are they
Speaker 1: do they not like the COVID vaccine in particular, because
Speaker 1: it's like, y'all motherfucker's are all vaccinated for something? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean absolutely, if you made in
Speaker 1: the public school system, yeah you have exactly like you
Speaker 1: if you traveled overseas, if you fucking if you're in
Speaker 1: the army. I mean, like you remember a couple of
Speaker 1: months ago when they were complaining because the army was
Speaker 1: making them get COVID vaccines. It's like, yo, there's like
Speaker 1: a hundred other vaccines that you have to have to
Speaker 1: be in the military and ship, so like yeah, what
Speaker 1: so it was it was sorry, And I think that
Speaker 1: is an actually a very interesting question, maybe worth diving
Speaker 1: into more deeply in the future episode, because I do
Speaker 1: think it is raising skepticism about vaccines general. It's like
Speaker 1: it's opening this portal to the dark underworld of like
Speaker 1: anti vaccine like culture. More oddly, people are like starting
Speaker 1: off just oh well, I don't like how it was
Speaker 1: approved so quickly, you know, and then like falling down
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole into like, oh all science general, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that general conspiracy contrarianship, you know what, you know, he
Speaker 1: knew who would be killing it right now. I don't
Speaker 1: even know if he's alive or dead or what. But
Speaker 1: do you know who David Iike is? No, who's that
Speaker 1: he's He's like this British dude who was like sports
Speaker 1: anchor and then one day he just quit his job
Speaker 1: and was like, yeo, I got an epiphany that the
Speaker 1: world was run by lizard people and that all the
Speaker 1: he's the guy who invented the lizard people or like
Speaker 1: popularized the lizard people. Yeah, but I would I'm just
Speaker 1: remember like back in two thousand and twelve, he was
Speaker 1: really big on the internet, and now I'm like, where
Speaker 1: the hell is he with all of those because you
Speaker 1: would imagine he would be killing it right now without
Speaker 1: the queueing. But we digress. Please get vaccinated. Do wear
Speaker 1: a mask? It took me a little It took me
Speaker 1: a little bit to like transition back into like mask
Speaker 1: wearing and Kroger or whatever, but like it so and
Speaker 1: then it took me like two times three times in
Speaker 1: my house to get back used to it. And I
Speaker 1: don't mind. There's really way way worse things than than
Speaker 1: sucking masks. YEA, Let's let's be easy, like so you know,
Speaker 1: people have gone back to not wearing masks if they're
Speaker 1: vaccinated and shipped myself included. And I mean that also
Speaker 1: kept so many people from getting regular sick this whole time.
Speaker 1: I haven't been regular sick this whole time, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know anyone that's had like a
Speaker 1: regular cold because we've been socially sitting a mask. And
Speaker 1: if I do you think that, you think that's kind
Speaker 1: of it. Like it was like, yeah, I was in
Speaker 1: like a meeting with like some activists and a commissioner
Speaker 1: at a bar and we were all just hanging out indoors.
Speaker 1: One of them had a cold, but was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm feeling fine and I wasn't wearing a
Speaker 1: mask and boo. Now I'm saying so like literally like
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, if I had, like I just been
Speaker 1: wearing a mask this whole time and not been laid
Speaker 1: up in bed with whatever the ship is for the
Speaker 1: last seven days, that I would accept that right off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not a big deal. It's doing Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's crazy because like when I think
Speaker 1: about it too, I mean there's been a couple of times,
Speaker 1: you know, like some of our recording schedule might have
Speaker 1: gotten hauled up. Sometimes it's been like, oh man, I
Speaker 1: don't really feel too good and I woke up this day.
Speaker 1: But I have not been full blown, multiple, multiple days
Speaker 1: sick since like twenty nineteen, you know, like it's always
Speaker 1: the implications of it are broader than saving people from COVID. So,
Speaker 1: but we're kind of jumping all over the place today.
Speaker 1: What what are we talking about today? Today? We've been
Speaker 1: talking about about Georgia Savannah blah blah blah. But we're
Speaker 1: gonna take a trip up to Ohio's eleventh congressional districts
Speaker 1: today to unpack the results of the special Mary election
Speaker 1: up there that just took place last Tuesday. Between it
Speaker 1: was like thirteen candidates running, but it was largely between
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders campaign co chair from Turner um ko Yoga
Speaker 1: um County. Uh, let me start trying to look at
Speaker 1: kaya Hoga Kiahoga Kiahoga County council member Sean tal brown
Speaker 1: Um and in the facto fight between the left and
Speaker 1: center of the Democratic Party. So we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: what the election results mean for progressives, and it's well
Speaker 1: discussed the musical landscape of this congressional district, which contains
Speaker 1: Akron and Cleveland. It's got some familiar faces like kid
Speaker 1: Cutty and Busy Bones. Are We're gonna get into some
Speaker 1: of its musical geography as well as its political geography today.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back with that after the jump jump
Speaker 1: all right, So now you might be asking, if you
Speaker 1: don't know already, where did this race take place. Well,
Speaker 1: this is Ohio's eleventh congressional district, and it encompasses portions
Speaker 1: of the Caihouga County and the Summit County in the
Speaker 1: northeast part of Ohio state. This is including the majority
Speaker 1: black precincts in between Cleveland and Akrin. So if you
Speaker 1: jump all the way up to the top of Ohio
Speaker 1: right up there by like Lake Erie, you got like Cleveland,
Speaker 1: and then you've got like a skinny little L shape
Speaker 1: kind of like Tetris block shaped ass congressional district because
Speaker 1: jerry mandering. Um. But yeah, got Acron, got Cleveland in there.
Speaker 1: You know, Lake Erie caught on fire one time because
Speaker 1: of all the ship flown in it. Yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: when recently the Gulf of Mexico will caught five Nina Turner,
Speaker 1: who we will be this discussing away today. Um, we're
Speaker 1: talking about how like the E p A and kind
Speaker 1: of came out of what happened up in like Erie,
Speaker 1: like in response to like water shouldn't catch fire, y'all,
Speaker 1: perhaps we should inter intervene and we could get into
Speaker 1: the whole. Yeah, like you cant do a whole another
Speaker 1: lot layer ship with all of that. But okay, so okay,
Speaker 1: we got Akron, we got Cleveland. But why does this matter?
Speaker 1: Because I don't really give a ship about Ohio and
Speaker 1: no offense Ohio high listeners. Oh this lovely state my
Speaker 1: brother used to live in Cincinnati is great? But why
Speaker 1: since no? But like, why are we even talking about this?
Speaker 1: But this here's the thing. So they're running to replace
Speaker 1: Marcia Fudge, who was appointed to be the head of
Speaker 1: the Housing and Urban Development um depart the department whatever
Speaker 1: you know, for our buddy Biden. And so it left
Speaker 1: open this open seat in a deep democratic district. Maybe
Speaker 1: it became a proxy fight between the left most ring
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party and the quote unquote democratic establishment, which
Speaker 1: is a term we're actually gonna break down a little
Speaker 1: bit later on. Because different people have different ideas of
Speaker 1: what established it means. So you got Nita Turner and
Speaker 1: she was the Cleveland City council member from two thousand
Speaker 1: six to two eight and the Ohio State Senator from
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen. The Turner was a Democratic nominee for
Speaker 1: Ohio Secretary of State in fourteen, and she supported Bernie
Speaker 1: Sanders in his twenty sixteen presidential campaign. Became the president
Speaker 1: of the Sanders affiliate group Our Revolution. In seventeen, she
Speaker 1: served as the national co chair of Bernie Sanders presidential campaign.
Speaker 1: And was it when when the I am somebody or hello, hello,
Speaker 1: somebody that I don't know. I feel like she just
Speaker 1: been saying that, like, just been saying I don't know
Speaker 1: what's what's the Was there a moment where that I
Speaker 1: feel like out of the wound, like somebody like yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like I feel like all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I started here and they're saying I
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, that's gonna stick. That's a good
Speaker 1: one right there. Yeah. Yeah. And so she's known for
Speaker 1: being assassy, unapologetic, like truth teller, unapologetically um critical of
Speaker 1: the democratic establishment, you know, running on a platform and
Speaker 1: medicare for all in this congressional run student debt translation
Speaker 1: to Green New Deal, you know, very much following in
Speaker 1: the footsteps of Bernie Sanders foot regards to policy priorities,
Speaker 1: and as such, it was endorsed by a huge hall
Speaker 1: elected officials and faith leaders from within the debt district.
Speaker 1: As those national names like Danny Glover. Actually saw her
Speaker 1: in Danny Glover. I've told the story on the show before.
Speaker 1: I saw her in Danny Glover in South Carolina during
Speaker 1: Bernie's campaign, in this tiny, little like church in the
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere in South Carolina. Like it was like
Speaker 1: an accidental date. That's I'm not going to pretty much this,
Speaker 1: but I will sure I will briefly summarize that me
Speaker 1: going to see Nina Turner and Danny Glover in this
Speaker 1: tiny church in South Carolina ended a relationship I got. Yeah,
Speaker 1: being this girl broke up over going to see Nina
Speaker 1: Turner and Danny Glover in South Carota. Yeah, I think happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah all the but so Danny Glover, Maryann Williamson, Susan Surrandon,
Speaker 1: Andrew Yang, former Secretary of Labor under what was it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Robert Right not to mention squad squad of Jason's Congress
Speaker 1: folks like AOC Corey Bush and Marquis Jamal Bowman. And
Speaker 1: then you've got all these heavyweight progressive organizations lining up
Speaker 1: behind uh Senator Turner, like Sunrise Movement, our Revolution of course,
Speaker 1: our Black Party, Justice Democrats, unions like Communication Workers of America.
Speaker 1: You got sucking brand new Congress, Working Families Party. It's
Speaker 1: like that scene in the Invengers where they're like coming
Speaker 1: out of the sky. I do've never actually, I don't
Speaker 1: even think I've seen that movie. I've seen that memes
Speaker 1: and that where it's like a symbol like the black
Speaker 1: panthers are he and like you're yeah, so she had
Speaker 1: that sort of like montage in the background, you know
Speaker 1: that she was pulling up on the scene. I've enjoyed
Speaker 1: the political memes of that scene more than I enjoyed
Speaker 1: that movie. I t rup sometimes I've never even seen
Speaker 1: the film. Yeah, no, for real, you're you're you're definitely
Speaker 1: right there. I remember I remember the night when or
Speaker 1: the day when it was declared that Biden like officially
Speaker 1: one somebody made like a dough bass me where it
Speaker 1: was like Biden was iron Man and Bernie was like
Speaker 1: dr It was funny and ship but it was like
Speaker 1: in the moment, like sitting there in private watching it,
Speaker 1: I I welled up a little bit. Definitely, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna but my allergies. I mean, the Senator was clear,
Speaker 1: he's a man of his word. He said it in,
Speaker 1: he said it again. So the Senator is doing what
Speaker 1: he does, and he created a movement. He was a
Speaker 1: spark and the movement is the fight. And so the
Speaker 1: movement doesn't change the The notion that we need medicamp
Speaker 1: rawl does not change the notion that we need to
Speaker 1: legalize cannabis and taking off the schedule one because it
Speaker 1: has ruined so many lives, particularly African American lives with
Speaker 1: the war on drugs and this, and that doesn't change
Speaker 1: the need to have college for all. That doesn't change
Speaker 1: environmental justice. See, none of those core fundamental issues changed
Speaker 1: because it was never about a personality. It was more
Speaker 1: about the mission. And so progressives are still on the mission,
Speaker 1: understanding very clearly that we got two dragons we gotta slay.
Speaker 1: We gotta slay the dragon of neo fascism and slay
Speaker 1: the dragon of neo liberalism, and the progressive movement is
Speaker 1: here for So on the other side of this, you've
Speaker 1: got Chantel Brown and she represents the Caya Houga Counties
Speaker 1: ninth District on the County Council, which includes Bedford, Warrensville Heights,
Speaker 1: Shaker Heights, Orange and parts of Cleveland. And she chairs
Speaker 1: the Cuyahoga County Democratic Party. Now, several notable UH Democrats
Speaker 1: endorsed Brown's candidacy. And this is including the former Secretary
Speaker 1: of State and the two thousand sixteen Democratic presidential nominee
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. That you know, so someone you might have
Speaker 1: heard of her, You know what I'm saying. She made
Speaker 1: a couple of hits back in the day. Um, you've
Speaker 1: got majority with Jim clyburn on their US Representative Joyce
Speaker 1: Betty Beatty Betty, and uh, the Congressional Black Caucus Pack
Speaker 1: and Democratic Majority for Israel they've all supported Brown as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think, I mean, I think it's pretty ully
Speaker 1: interesting that the Congressional Black Caucus Pack would endorse interrace
Speaker 1: where there's two black female candidates. Do you think it's
Speaker 1: something bad on their part? I mean, I think it's
Speaker 1: speaks to the politics of the black the federal Black
Speaker 1: miss leadership class. To my my opinion that like really
Speaker 1: progressive policies that I feel would uplift black people, given
Speaker 1: the disparities in access to healthcare things like medicare for
Speaker 1: all the things that, you know, the ways that the
Speaker 1: student debt crisis exacerbates the racial wealth gap. Student debt
Speaker 1: cancelation was certainly benefit back people. But uh, the people
Speaker 1: that run the ship, you know, the Jim Clyburns and
Speaker 1: the folks who sacrifice so much and have had their
Speaker 1: like next stept on to such a degree over so
Speaker 1: many decades to get where they are. They've hadn't been
Speaker 1: to the knee to capitalism, to just like white supremacy
Speaker 1: for so long in order to make it to where
Speaker 1: they are in Congress, into these position of leadership that
Speaker 1: they expect everyone following after them to be welcomed into
Speaker 1: their fold, to also sort of abandon whatever they need
Speaker 1: to abandon in order to just get the power. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: I mean like that, I just it just makes me sad,
Speaker 1: But I feel like that's what that's kind of means.
Speaker 1: I mean, they have to play devil's advocate. I mean,
Speaker 1: they could just generally just have a you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like a different approach to to how they
Speaker 1: want to go about doing things, and it might not
Speaker 1: necessarily be like on some conscious, deep seated like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're trying to maintain power and we're going to forego
Speaker 1: all of our I know. I yeah, I genuinely think
Speaker 1: they think that they're doing the right thing. I don't.
Speaker 1: And I say this, I hope they don't hear this.
Speaker 1: Here's a hot take. I think just because you know
Speaker 1: you brought it up with the two black women running
Speaker 1: against each other, I think from a strategic standpoint, it
Speaker 1: was probably a good move on the establishments side, because
Speaker 1: I think that if they had ran a white person
Speaker 1: against Nina Turner, I think she might have beat them.
Speaker 1: Like regardless of I don't no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's a little bit no no, no. I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. Yeah. Um, I mean, I
Speaker 1: I do think you would a degree, um man. I mean,
Speaker 1: I want to agree with you that they do think
Speaker 1: that their strategy for wielding power and governance, like they
Speaker 1: genuinely believe it's the right way to do it. But
Speaker 1: they also want to bring people in the phone who
Speaker 1: will been the need to them. But I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of them are you know, I'm I'm like the
Speaker 1: advocate against AGESM on this show. But a lot of
Speaker 1: them are old, you know what I mean, Just keeping
Speaker 1: it real, A lot of these are on and that
Speaker 1: and that's that. I don't even necessarily know if that's
Speaker 1: like indicative of their stances or their beliefs changing. More
Speaker 1: so that it's just our ships different, now, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I don't think Jim Clyburn is walking
Speaker 1: around thinking I'm a moderate, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think Jim Clyburn he's left the ship he does.
Speaker 1: He's left. He's left like he's like nineteen sixties left,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And the new generation just
Speaker 1: might might be a bit of some harder stuff. You
Speaker 1: might you might be using some harder stuff that the
Speaker 1: old folks can't can't keep up with, right right right.
Speaker 1: You fall out as you fall out of touch with
Speaker 1: new ideas as you but I think particularly like proximity
Speaker 1: to power will do that to you, which you get
Speaker 1: in um as a young person with like you know,
Speaker 1: radical ideas or whatever, and then twenty years in the
Speaker 1: system beats the ship out of you such that like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you continue to identify. Is that because that was your
Speaker 1: formative identity, but like you don't actually you know, actually
Speaker 1: rock with actually like because you're like, wow, I got
Speaker 1: told for twenty years to sit down and calm down
Speaker 1: and this is the best way, and I've kind of
Speaker 1: abandoned all those ideas. And I've seen it. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I know, I've seen it happen to people. I
Speaker 1: remember when I first really got into leftist politics or
Speaker 1: started like paying attention to leftist politics. It was like
Speaker 1: coming out of that sort of haze of like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, I get my you know, I know what
Speaker 1: I know because CNN and MSNBC, you know, reported on
Speaker 1: it and ship. So I remember when I first started
Speaker 1: getting into left of stuff and it was like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, you mean Nancy Pelosi is not like you.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, like Nancy Pelosi is not like left
Speaker 1: like she's she's a moderate, really right. And so when
Speaker 1: you get clips of like Nina Turner saying stuff like
Speaker 1: we gotta fight fashion fascism and need liberalism at the
Speaker 1: same time, like you scare people who are like, wait,
Speaker 1: liberalism could be is it it's a bad thing? Well,
Speaker 1: they don't realize it's like this, like farther left things
Speaker 1: that are good for people that that's a messaging thing though,
Speaker 1: And I mean it seems stupid, but it is a
Speaker 1: messaging thing. Like we live. We live in a country
Speaker 1: where people don't read articles. They read headlines, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And so when they're reading quotes and
Speaker 1: ship like that, that's like, oh a Bernie Sanders said, YadA, YadA, YadA, liberals.
Speaker 1: Nita Turner said, YadA, YadA, YadA, liberals. It. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know what that means, and you know what that means.
Speaker 1: And there's like a subsect, there's a subculture of people
Speaker 1: who know what that's in reference to. But there's a
Speaker 1: great majority of people who have grown up their whole
Speaker 1: lives thinking, oh, but liberals are the good guys, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's like if if you
Speaker 1: have that and then you include the lies and the
Speaker 1: media manipulation and ship, and it's like, oh, Bernie Sanders
Speaker 1: is kind of he's kind of like Trump. Look, he
Speaker 1: hates liberals, right, And so I mean, when when we
Speaker 1: get into it a little bit like the reason why
Speaker 1: the race turned out the way it did, I think
Speaker 1: thinking about the political literacy of the average voter. Um
Speaker 1: when we get into like nitpicking terminology in ways of
Speaker 1: talking about what the real fight is like that that
Speaker 1: that that thing that definitely plays a role, um for sure,
Speaker 1: I mean and speaking of uh sort of positions that
Speaker 1: the candidates took, I mean, like I followed both of them,
Speaker 1: you know, try to do my research. And Brown like,
Speaker 1: like for real, like Brown's only policy position appeared to
Speaker 1: be like supporting Joe Biden and of her and all
Speaker 1: of her ads and all of her tweets and all
Speaker 1: of her messaging like send me to Washington to support
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's visions on her website. So for her list
Speaker 1: of priorities, it's got like, you know, bullet bullet points
Speaker 1: and then blurbs underneath. I won't read the blurs, but
Speaker 1: the bullet points of her priorities were end of gun violence,
Speaker 1: bold recovery from COVID, lower healthcare costs and cover everyone
Speaker 1: with high quality care, expand opportunities, and in poverty, and
Speaker 1: then a justice agenda. So pretty much supporting Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like this is this is Joe Biden
Speaker 1: campaign right here. Yeah, I mean, it's like in gun violence,
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Like that doesn't pointed like how
Speaker 1: like what's your specific policy? And great in the half
Speaker 1: like what do you Yeah, it's always like tell us something,
Speaker 1: you know. But then again, I mean we are people
Speaker 1: that are incredibly into politics, and so maybe like that
Speaker 1: level level of like of of media literacy of just
Speaker 1: like digging deeper into what people mean when they say ship.
Speaker 1: It's not something, it's just it's like they might may
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I'm down to in gun violence, like
Speaker 1: a green view that I don't know what that is,
Speaker 1: that's scary, but in in gun violence, I'm down with that.
Speaker 1: I don't care how you do it. But fucking cool, bro, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of a lot of people are
Speaker 1: if it's not Trump, then all right, as long as
Speaker 1: it's not the Trump Trump Trumpy ship, then we're cool,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I unfortunately the Democrats
Speaker 1: are definitely going to use that to drift to the
Speaker 1: sentence further to the center, so so far to the
Speaker 1: center that they might as well be Republicans. That's that's
Speaker 1: definitely where it's gonna go. I think you're gonna have
Speaker 1: a bunch of these uh never Trump or Republicans, if
Speaker 1: they haven't already, they're going to absorb into the party
Speaker 1: and it's gonna, you know, pretty much be a Republican party,
Speaker 1: while the other party will full on be the fourth
Speaker 1: Reich and Goose Stephen. Oh god. So both candidates have
Speaker 1: had their fair share of scandal and unforced error. Um.
Speaker 1: On turner side, as we were kind of getting into
Speaker 1: with critiquing liberalism, her adversaries have made liberal path use
Speaker 1: of a clip from Atlantic article and which Turner compared
Speaker 1: endorse into a biding to eating half a bowl of ships,
Speaker 1: which is comparing to eating, you know, to buddy for
Speaker 1: Trump being a full ball of sh it. Still not
Speaker 1: something that you want to have displayed on a billboard
Speaker 1: all over Cleveland two weeks before your election, which is
Speaker 1: what they did when you're running in a Democratic primary, right,
Speaker 1: and Joe Biden like star So that's you know, It's like,
Speaker 1: the thing is, it's like, I do not agree with
Speaker 1: these criticisms. I understand them, though I would be lying
Speaker 1: if I acted like, good, what what the hell? What
Speaker 1: are people upset of? I get it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And I even I was reading some punditry
Speaker 1: from people you know, on the ground in in Ohio's
Speaker 1: levant who said that many voters agreed with her. They
Speaker 1: did not vote for Joe Biden and their primaries either,
Speaker 1: but they just didn't feel that that sort of language
Speaker 1: was becoming of a congressional candidate. Um So even people
Speaker 1: who were like, actually, yeah, totally, that's what's up, however,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be my congresswoman. Unfortunately, people at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, you know, this politics thing, it's
Speaker 1: like a popularity contest when people are going to vote
Speaker 1: with you know, like people care about the issues that
Speaker 1: they care about. But then after that, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's do I like this person as you know, as
Speaker 1: a person vibe with me? And then on Brown's side,
Speaker 1: the Internet have reported on some ethics concerns about Brown's
Speaker 1: getting back to seventeen, when Brown as a county council
Speaker 1: one and voted to award Cleveland contractor Perk was a
Speaker 1: series of contracts totally seventeen million dollars. Her partner, Mark Perkins,
Speaker 1: has close ties to the company. Perk, and her campaign
Speaker 1: received thirteen dollars in donations from both Perkins family and
Speaker 1: the Sefani family who owns Perk. So the Ohio State
Speaker 1: Auditors Office reviewed the intersects findings and referred them to
Speaker 1: the States State Ethics Commission for investigation. So bitches, bitches,
Speaker 1: fucking maybe trade in contracts for some donations. That's all
Speaker 1: there was. Also, this was in the intercept, but there
Speaker 1: was a newly released campaign finance disclosures that showed that
Speaker 1: Brown and a major Democratic pack supporting her campaign have
Speaker 1: been heavily funded by donors who usually support Republicans. Yeah, which,
Speaker 1: you know, I've heard some centrists um flip this on
Speaker 1: his head and say that, you know, like in primaries,
Speaker 1: like Bernie Sanders was courting, not courting, but like embracing
Speaker 1: the endorsement of people like Joe Rogan, that his crossover
Speaker 1: appeal with working class uh, you know, white people that
Speaker 1: might glean conservative but funk with him because he hates
Speaker 1: the millionaires. Like you know, like, oh, well, y'all, well,
Speaker 1: except Republicans vote when it's for you. But it's not
Speaker 1: cool when it's a centrist that that goes. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's there's there's truth to that. But then also you know,
Speaker 1: there is kind of like a disingenuous nature to it,
Speaker 1: because like Bernie Sanders didn't seek Joe Rogan's endorsement, and
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan didn't endorse Bernie. Let me be the clear,
Speaker 1: let me be seeding clear. Joe Rogan essentially said, a
Speaker 1: I like Bernie Sanders, and Bernie Sanders played the clip
Speaker 1: of Joe Rogan saying that it was you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like this is like we're hunting the na
Speaker 1: uh but I got of that dig or something exactly. Yeah, anyways,
Speaker 1: a good point. So yeah, and I don't and and
Speaker 1: I think a different Courting the voters two different things
Speaker 1: than courting the money people with extreme wealth that they
Speaker 1: can tip the scale in an election. So um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I while I think I thought it was
Speaker 1: an interesting point, I don't think it was a valid floe. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Turner was lead in the race according to
Speaker 1: internal polling, fifty over Brown. It's like, you know, like
Speaker 1: I said, at the top, a leven other candidates in
Speaker 1: the race, none of them broke over like five Turners
Speaker 1: crushing it. And yet two months later, last week August third,
Speaker 1: results came back and Turner lost to Brown too. Okay,
Speaker 1: what happened let's let's let's tell you what would happen. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So Turning supporters blamed dark money in the establishment. I'm
Speaker 1: using air quotes here, coming forward to crush the left
Speaker 1: wing candidate once again. Um you know, are you know? Admittedly? Uh?
Speaker 1: In the last month, centras groups like Third Way in
Speaker 1: Democratic Majority for Israel spent millions on a TV air
Speaker 1: um you know, TV adsum against Turner, mostly focusing on
Speaker 1: their criticism Joe Biden and other Democratic leaders. Pro zero
Speaker 1: groups ultimately spent over two million dollars outside expenditures on
Speaker 1: behalf of Brown's campaign, And so they're like, oh, the
Speaker 1: big money came in and crushed us, which I was
Speaker 1: legitimately worried about in the weeks leading up to it.
Speaker 1: But still, all in all, Nina Turner out raised, out organized,
Speaker 1: and outspent Chantel Brown. The candidates in the special election
Speaker 1: for Ohio's eleventh congressional districts have raised over six million dollars,
Speaker 1: making it currently the most expensive special House election. Brown
Speaker 1: reported over two million in donation. However, Brown came oh
Speaker 1: that's the is that something? Oh yeah, so she in
Speaker 1: addition to getting money from the Pro Israel packs she
Speaker 1: got five hund dollars from Robert Kraft, the owner of
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots in a long time friend of
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, so some some of the Republican money we're
Speaker 1: talking about earlier. And then Nina held a consistent fundraisingly
Speaker 1: the entire time and until the end was over four
Speaker 1: million dollars in the bank. Um. She received about a
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars from political action committees and spent nearly
Speaker 1: one point two million on TV ads between April and July.
Speaker 1: So like she had the most money, she spent the
Speaker 1: most money. Sure packs came in to support Brown at
Speaker 1: the end, shooting on Nina and the last couple of
Speaker 1: weeks with you know, two million dollars in outside money,
Speaker 1: but Nina had more money. I mean so, I mean
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, she just lost. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I was wondering. So that's how I kind of feel
Speaker 1: about this. I was wondering how you kind of feel
Speaker 1: about this. And we were talking about this a second
Speaker 1: um because to me, having worked locally a him millions before,
Speaker 1: I know that it's also all about what you spend
Speaker 1: money on. Because my and my race store is very
Speaker 1: much smaller than this one, UM I was out fundraised.
Speaker 1: UM I spent less money than my opponent, but at
Speaker 1: one because it all matters what you spend your money.
Speaker 1: I don't know what Nina spending her money on. I mean,
Speaker 1: she says here she spent one point two million on
Speaker 1: tv ads. But from my view and the granted is
Speaker 1: just my few from Twitter, but I saw Nina most
Speaker 1: of tweeting about the issue student debt, cancelation, climate change,
Speaker 1: living wages. But I saw Sean Tell posting about events
Speaker 1: in the community that she was at. So like she
Speaker 1: was at canvases, she was at churches, she was at
Speaker 1: sororities and fraternity issues, at cookash is at barbecue, she's
Speaker 1: at fish fries. And so that's the thing. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what values you hold. And literally, I really, I
Speaker 1: truly believe this that in a lot of races, especially
Speaker 1: when UM the district is pretty heavily leaning in one
Speaker 1: partisan direction or another, like it's a highly Democratic district
Speaker 1: or Republican district, it literally doesn't matter what you believe in.
Speaker 1: It just matters that who shows up the most most
Speaker 1: often UM, and that the people who are showing up
Speaker 1: to represent your campaign are of the community. As well,
Speaker 1: because a lot of people you know, flying in akin
Speaker 1: to like the Bernie Sanders like um uh campaign structure
Speaker 1: of like a lot of people taking like Bernie journeys
Speaker 1: to fly here or there because they're so passionate about it,
Speaker 1: they're gonna go knock on doors to their candidate. But
Speaker 1: like it's not the same thing as like people from
Speaker 1: the community out knocking on doors in the community, out
Speaker 1: being with people in the community. Not to say that,
Speaker 1: I mean like I obviously wasn't there. I was in
Speaker 1: and uh enjoying the humidity and all that ship. Um
Speaker 1: you know, the ibcc P reports said that George is
Speaker 1: gonna be one of the best places to be when
Speaker 1: it all goes down with Guard's climate change. By the way, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be fine. The rest of the Southeast were
Speaker 1: actually gonna be very like serendipitous. I guess, I guess
Speaker 1: that's too positive of a thing. But the fact that
Speaker 1: we're doing the eco episode next week after that report
Speaker 1: just came out, that's so more on that. But up
Speaker 1: in Ohio, whatever it's gonna happen to them, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're lake already caught fire at once, so I'm probably
Speaker 1: not that great. Um uh I wasn't there. I can't say.
Speaker 1: I can't say what happened, but um, it all depends
Speaker 1: on what you spend your money on. And I do
Speaker 1: think it's really important ultimately coming back to your critical
Speaker 1: point to sometimes just be like you, we fucking lost
Speaker 1: fare and square man, like like it fucking happens, Like
Speaker 1: I don't think it does us any favors as the
Speaker 1: left to always to to come across out of like
Speaker 1: fucking Maga big lave actually babadass like insurrection, to be like,
Speaker 1: oh it was rigged every time we lose, because sometimes
Speaker 1: we just lose. Man. What we're trying to do is hard, Joe,
Speaker 1: Like you really really hard. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You can admit you can't admit it's really difficult without
Speaker 1: saying it's impossible. Look well, I mean look I like
Speaker 1: it's up and around me, like, oh, it's so unfair,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know. On the Republican end, right, like
Speaker 1: the candidates who were fucking fringe e and weird like
Speaker 1: Trump and like all these new Marjorie Taylor Green's and
Speaker 1: people like that that are coming out there would work
Speaker 1: now since Trump and ship those candidates have always been around.
Speaker 1: Those type of people have always tried to run for
Speaker 1: office and ship like that. They did their ship. The
Speaker 1: Republicans rejected them for decades and decades, like no, we
Speaker 1: can't have these motherfucker's directics, we can't have these representatives.
Speaker 1: And they kept pressing and kept soldier into now they
Speaker 1: run that entire ship. Now I'm not equating the left
Speaker 1: to that, but I'm just saying that same sort of
Speaker 1: strategy is kind of what you just you just gotta
Speaker 1: soldiered on man, Like they're They're not just gonna let
Speaker 1: you take the ship, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: like you're gonna you're gonna lose. You gotta gotta get up,
Speaker 1: lick your wounds, and try again, and they're gonna try
Speaker 1: everything in their power to stop you. But not everything
Speaker 1: is like something city use plot, you know, sometimes it
Speaker 1: comes down to somebody got more votes than the other person.
Speaker 1: Somebody just got more more votes, bro. And so I
Speaker 1: was disappointed to see Bernie Sanders sweet. I've heard a
Speaker 1: lot from the pundit try as to why I need
Speaker 1: to turn her lost to race in Ohio. Well, maybe
Speaker 1: it had something to do with the drug companies, Wall Street,
Speaker 1: in the fossil fuel industry spending millions trying to defeat her.
Speaker 1: Is that the kind of democratic party we want? I
Speaker 1: don't think so, which I was just like Bernie Homie
Speaker 1: bro Dog, just don't because it also I feel like
Speaker 1: it also breeds cynicism where people feel like it's not
Speaker 1: even worth trying because it's so rigged all the time
Speaker 1: that we can't win. We can win, and we just
Speaker 1: need to learn from learn from our failings, learn from
Speaker 1: what's not working, and try harder. You know. That's it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. And then um, I was reading some
Speaker 1: some um punditry from home with homegrown ties to the district,
Speaker 1: and an interesting analysis emerged from some of some of
Speaker 1: these pieces that the reality of the Ohio primaries that
Speaker 1: Nina Turner, with their large coffers or higher name recognition,
Speaker 1: having been a prominent surrogate for Bertie Sanders, her celebrity
Speaker 1: endorsements from Danny Glover, Andrew Yang and the like, was
Speaker 1: the true establishment candidate in this race. There's a view
Speaker 1: that Turner lost because local voters don't live their lives
Speaker 1: on Twitter, they don't read puff pieces in New York times,
Speaker 1: and they don't want fucking Andrew Yang and Marian Williamson
Speaker 1: carpet backing in from California, New York to tell people
Speaker 1: at home in Ohio how to vote. And so this
Speaker 1: idea of there being like a progressive establishment but also
Speaker 1: tries to be play kingmaker and swoop in and overtake
Speaker 1: local politics based on what they wish were national trends
Speaker 1: is equally an issue as um what the establishment stasion
Speaker 1: with the centrist establishment does, um, just for a different
Speaker 1: ideological lean I mean I can definitely, I definitely see that,
Speaker 1: and I mean also too, it's got to be the messaging,
Speaker 1: because it's you know, some of the messaging and you know,
Speaker 1: like we were talking about earlier, some of the messaging
Speaker 1: is not perfect and not necessarily ideal if you're trying
Speaker 1: to run in in democratic politics and ship like that,
Speaker 1: I think there needs to be kind of a rethinking
Speaker 1: of how it's approached, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: like you just said, most people don't live their life
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and I'm not necessarily sure that progressive Twitter
Speaker 1: is like what what should be used as the barometer
Speaker 1: for what people whatsoever? You can kill me. So in
Speaker 1: a reaction piece by Matt Karp and Jackman last week.
Speaker 1: The highlights some instructive and hopeful things about the race,
Speaker 1: namely that it appears need to Turner one working class
Speaker 1: black voters, signaling the left wing candidates the color can
Speaker 1: went over the black working class. It's not like, oh,
Speaker 1: these millennial suburb like city dwelling, gentrifying tech bros want
Speaker 1: like the green New Deal is like nah, someone was
Speaker 1: the messaging. I know you, we were talking a little
Speaker 1: bit about this a messaging work or not. But some
Speaker 1: of that no, non says attitude, These universal solutions, these
Speaker 1: like you know, not just accepting criminalism and going hard
Speaker 1: for what working people need, like does appeal to like
Speaker 1: black working class people. If you look at both Nina's
Speaker 1: race and Corey Bush down in St. Louis, they did
Speaker 1: perform best with um the core constituents of the larger
Speaker 1: quote unquote standards coalition younger voters in large cities. But
Speaker 1: Turner won five of Cleveland's nine black majority wars and
Speaker 1: the ones she lost she lost four of them, but
Speaker 1: only by less than two points, and she won the
Speaker 1: city of Cleveland overall. She won the black majority city
Speaker 1: of Akron Overwall, which is a major game from the
Speaker 1: Sanders Tony twenty campagne, which lost all of these areas
Speaker 1: by fifty points or more. When wealthy communities like pepper
Speaker 1: Pike eight four percent white with a median income of
Speaker 1: a hundred and ninety thousand dollars a year, Brown beat
Speaker 1: Turner by over fifty points. By far, the heaviest blow
Speaker 1: against Turner came in the richer bourbs and just six
Speaker 1: suburban towns pepper Pike, Beechwood, Orange Broadway, Broadview Heights, University Heights,
Speaker 1: and Shaker Heights. Brown netted four thousand, three hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety votes over Turner, more than her total margin of victory.
Speaker 1: And I think in that final sentence comes the true
Speaker 1: problem and the true problem with politics generally in this country.
Speaker 1: Four hundred four thousand, three hundred and nine votes was
Speaker 1: more than the total margin of victory, less than I
Speaker 1: think it was, like, I think something like less than
Speaker 1: of eligible voters voted in the selection. And people talk
Speaker 1: all the time about, Oh, do what the voters want? No,
Speaker 1: what do you want about the voters? We need to
Speaker 1: stop focusing on voters and focus on and start focusing
Speaker 1: on people. So many people did not vote in this
Speaker 1: elect You could probably find internet poll for some stupid
Speaker 1: ship that more people in Cleveland voted for. It's really
Speaker 1: about spanning the electorate. If we want left wing candidates
Speaker 1: to win and be able to win transformative change at
Speaker 1: the federal level, we have to stop worrying about the
Speaker 1: people that already vote and start worrying about like generally
Speaker 1: worried about people. You think that that's the overall lesson
Speaker 1: that we can take away from this. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think in general, like just it's embarrassing as a country
Speaker 1: like like that we consider ourselves all the greatest democracy
Speaker 1: in the world, or at least that's the propaganda you
Speaker 1: here on Fox News and SPC or whatever, when like,
Speaker 1: we have the lowest participations in elections in like the
Speaker 1: developed world, like or even you look at places like
Speaker 1: Brazilian only places like Peru, so many people turn out
Speaker 1: and vote, so people, that's democracy? And so like is
Speaker 1: this even democracy? Do either of these candidates even represent
Speaker 1: what the people of Ohio eleven one if only of
Speaker 1: them turned out to vote? So, I mean, do you?
Speaker 1: But can we lay this all at the feet of
Speaker 1: the system and not the people not bear any any
Speaker 1: I don't even know if blame is the right word.
Speaker 1: But don't people themselves have to have to like be
Speaker 1: engaged in these things and like take more priority and
Speaker 1: how these things affect a love For sure, I can't
Speaker 1: blame people for not giving a ship when nothing has
Speaker 1: ever change fundamentally changed for them, I mean ever through politics.
Speaker 1: Why would they care? Why would they care? And so
Speaker 1: it takes a lot for a candidate to overcome that
Speaker 1: that cultural inertia to when when they come and say
Speaker 1: when they come when someone lightning the turner comes and says, yo,
Speaker 1: like what do we canceled students that made free on
Speaker 1: a higher education free? Like to believe that person when
Speaker 1: they come and tell you it's possible, like it's that
Speaker 1: that's a huge mountain for a candidate. It is. But
Speaker 1: but again, like I'm saying with the people, it's like
Speaker 1: if if to me, it just doesn't it just doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to it doesn't seem to make sense for me
Speaker 1: to be like to realistically be like, oh, well, you
Speaker 1: know what, politicians in the past have said that they
Speaker 1: were going to try to do something and they weren't
Speaker 1: able to do it for whatever reason. So funk this ship.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I mean, I you know, like at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, if people feel that way,
Speaker 1: it's like, I mean, I guess I understand, like logically,
Speaker 1: you know, the one plus one equals to like you know,
Speaker 1: the train of thought that they're using to get to
Speaker 1: that conclusion. But the end of the day, it's like
Speaker 1: that's not that's not a good thing, just because just
Speaker 1: because the system is fact up like waving your hands
Speaker 1: in the air and being like, oh I I give up,
Speaker 1: or oh there's nothing that we can do. I mean again,
Speaker 1: I understand why people feel that way, but like that's
Speaker 1: not a good thing. Like we shouldn't feel that way,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like, and I could definitely
Speaker 1: I could go we could have a whole other episode
Speaker 1: about just like living in the imperial Core and like
Speaker 1: the throne of capitalism, like the the how we're so
Speaker 1: captured by so many forces that disincentivize civic participation, anything
Speaker 1: from just like luxury culture, which for very simple things
Speaker 1: like Netflix and social media, to the grinding culture of
Speaker 1: like how much we work every day and paying your bills.
Speaker 1: Like there's so many reasons why I think people don't
Speaker 1: participates and ultimately I can't I can't blame people I
Speaker 1: feel on the show before. But it's like the thing
Speaker 1: with America as it's like they keep everybody for the
Speaker 1: most part obviously we know, but for the most part,
Speaker 1: they keep everybody just comfortable enough or just within the reach,
Speaker 1: just with enough within the reach of comfort that it
Speaker 1: kind of builds a general malaise to the whole thing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like a general yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got you today. All right, So, um, we are
Speaker 1: going to take a little break, but when we come back,
Speaker 1: we're gonna check out some Cleveland hip hop by waves,
Speaker 1: some legendary heavyweights in the game and some you know,
Speaker 1: some popular people, some not so popular people. But we're
Speaker 1: just gonna check out what Cleveland has had to offer
Speaker 1: over the years and currently. So we'll be back with
Speaker 1: that after the jump. Okay, So we are back, and
Speaker 1: we are going to be delving into some of the
Speaker 1: finest or dopest or just you know, most popular hip
Speaker 1: hop that we could find from artists hill and from
Speaker 1: from the Cleveland area. The finest okay fine, the dopest
Speaker 1: okay fine, the most popular Cleveland has a lot of
Speaker 1: I think we have some Yeah, Cleveland's got some good ship.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people, a lot of cats are
Speaker 1: from Cleveland. Somehows that, you know, people might not be
Speaker 1: familiar with. But for one that I guess the most
Speaker 1: popular rappers out of Cleveland would be pretty much all
Speaker 1: the guys in Bone Bone as as an act. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sitting here trying to think of even another
Speaker 1: musical act that's from Cleveland, and somebody's probably gonna put
Speaker 1: me to shame with that in the comments. But you know,
Speaker 1: Bone has got to be probably like the ambassadors of
Speaker 1: Cleveland at this point, right, But she also got mc brains,
Speaker 1: we got bumps, I n F. You've got Ray Cash,
Speaker 1: Charles Hamilton's the rapper, Kid Cutty King, Chip, Machine Gun Kelly.
Speaker 1: Do we even call Machine Kelly a rapper anymore? I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that legitimately. Paul on this list two, and
Speaker 1: I'm feeling uncomfortable about it. Let's go Roscoe, Polly Rhyme.
Speaker 1: I've never heard of Polly Rhyme before. He must be
Speaker 1: an indie guy. But um, let's let's go with Uh.
Speaker 1: Let's start with something popular first. So first track they're
Speaker 1: gonna check out is by said act Bone. Um, this
Speaker 1: is their track Cleveland Is the City, and this came
Speaker 1: out in two thousand and eight, I believe. Let me
Speaker 1: double check that for y'all. Yeah, this is a two
Speaker 1: thousand eight songs. So let's give a little listen to
Speaker 1: Cleveland as a City by Bone. When I up just
Speaker 1: like my dad, but I was sticking out in Yeah,
Speaker 1: I dig the Cleveland Rocks call out the Cleveland Um.
Speaker 1: You know what it's the song is kind of uh,
Speaker 1: it's pretty much them reminiscing about their younger days, growing
Speaker 1: up in the hood before they got famous, and you know,
Speaker 1: being in Cleveland and all the different I guess you
Speaker 1: could call it the hardships that they lived through, but
Speaker 1: like really it just it's it sounds more like they're
Speaker 1: just kind of like talking some street ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's it's like, I think it's a
Speaker 1: weird choice for such a pleasant you know, like like
Speaker 1: you just described beautiful piano beat and a song about
Speaker 1: like your home city. But the almost the entirety of
Speaker 1: the song, they're talking about how people are going to
Speaker 1: NonStop try to kill you the second that you touched
Speaker 1: touchdown in Cleveland. How like every day, every nick in
Speaker 1: the world is coming to kill you. Specifically. It's like
Speaker 1: I can't picture drinking like sitting on my Grandma's like
Speaker 1: front porn. She's drinking this iced tea, like shelling peace
Speaker 1: with her listen to this beat, but also knowing about
Speaker 1: because she's death of ship. She's not gonna be hearing
Speaker 1: the lyrics and like think it's like it's mandatory to
Speaker 1: leave you niggas bleeding. And I'm like, yeah, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna wait, I'm gonna save that trip till next year.
Speaker 1: Next year, I'm gonna go to Cleveland. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: refund I can excuse me? Can I can? I? But
Speaker 1: it is it is a dope song. I have no
Speaker 1: idea what that is on. I think that was. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if that was on their first one or not.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, that was it was on dog World. Okay, alright,
Speaker 1: yeah World Up. Next, we are going to check out
Speaker 1: someone who's a little bit more unknown to me because
Speaker 1: the other two, the other two cats that we have
Speaker 1: on here pretty pretty popular too. But we've got this guy,
Speaker 1: Little Cray, little little Crazy. So he's an independent rapper
Speaker 1: as far as I know. But let's check out his
Speaker 1: song locked in the Safe a squizzy, none of it
Speaker 1: Basica racing, It's going on a granite. Supposedly, according to
Speaker 1: the source and article back from January of this year,
Speaker 1: this track went viral. Um I'm not sure before. I
Speaker 1: mean it stands on. It sounds like your standard new
Speaker 1: trap fair Um yeah, no, no, no, no, no, Like
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's catchy. I've put it in the
Speaker 1: rotation and just like for the ambiance. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's bounty. It's it's it's bounty. It's fun. It's not
Speaker 1: this is this is just a song. It's not necessarily
Speaker 1: anything that's about Cleveland or anything like that, but just
Speaker 1: as you know as a trap BANGERO with this, I
Speaker 1: think it speaks some to like it's that somewhat of
Speaker 1: the trappy sound of the South, yet it is from
Speaker 1: the Midwest, and so I think it's interesting it speaks
Speaker 1: to like the influence I think of the South across
Speaker 1: like nationwide. Yeah, which I think says a little bit something.
Speaker 1: We can glean a little bit of insight on, uh,
Speaker 1: what's happening in the in the Midwest as well as
Speaker 1: more specifically in the Akron Cleveland area. Have you heard
Speaker 1: some of that crossover. Have you heard that goes from
Speaker 1: New York rap in the last ten years? Yo? Like
Speaker 1: all of them fulf like they're from Mississippi and sound
Speaker 1: like from Mississippi. Like you have done to claim like, oh,
Speaker 1: I do it for my city, Like yo, you all,
Speaker 1: y'all do it for Atlanta. You just don't know that
Speaker 1: you do. I mean, you know, the song a Little
Speaker 1: Craysong is dope. It's just you know, it's like it's
Speaker 1: hard for me to not say. I'm just at the
Speaker 1: point it's like, man, I wish people would just rap
Speaker 1: about different ship. Jesus, just rap about different ship. Just
Speaker 1: rap about different ship. And I had that feeling when
Speaker 1: I was like in my early twenties, like having grown
Speaker 1: up around wrap but never but before I started making music,
Speaker 1: Like when I discovered that you could rap about different ship,
Speaker 1: like you were allowed to like it, blew my never
Speaker 1: clicked in my head. You're allowed to wrap, You're allowed
Speaker 1: to wrap about different exactly. Yeah, I know, I feel
Speaker 1: I feel you so hard to this day, to this day,
Speaker 1: I'm still like Nick's wrap just try, like, just try it.
Speaker 1: It's fun. It's fun to wrap different There is there
Speaker 1: is no new thing that any of y'all are gonna
Speaker 1: say about money, girls, board hood ship. There's like I
Speaker 1: will say, I will say where where like people do succeed.
Speaker 1: It's not that they're saying anything new about money or
Speaker 1: weed or ladies say that the different That's what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: what was it? What was it? I'm all four, Look,
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here talking like when when fucking little
Speaker 1: Yati whoever said she blew my dick like a like
Speaker 1: a child. Right, but look, but look he said something
Speaker 1: the same thing in a new way. I disagree. I
Speaker 1: think it comes and it doesn't come down to what
Speaker 1: the content of what they're saying. But it's the metaphors,
Speaker 1: it's the analogies, the punch lines. That is. That is
Speaker 1: why I continue to stream hip hop. What I'm saying, well,
Speaker 1: I'll see, that's just where we're different because of what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is I'm not talking about say different ship
Speaker 1: as in, don't rap about what you want to wrap
Speaker 1: about or wrap about. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: say different ship as in if okay, let's just say
Speaker 1: if I were going to switch my whole ship up
Speaker 1: and I was gonna be like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start rapping about money and hose and all this
Speaker 1: sort of ship. Do you know how dope that ship
Speaker 1: would sound because I would be thinking of like the
Speaker 1: coolest way possible to express those ideas. Because I've been
Speaker 1: listening to rap for twenty five years, I've heard everybody saying, oh,
Speaker 1: she suck my dick. Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like like, be a bit more clever with the ship,
Speaker 1: you know, flip it up, or say someth funny like
Speaker 1: two chains is good for it. So I'm not talking.
Speaker 1: This is not like me like hate, Like, it's not
Speaker 1: hating on the style or something to chains consistently. It's
Speaker 1: saying shit cleverly and funny, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and being witty with it and ship like that. So
Speaker 1: I'm not hating. I'm just saying, man like, just just
Speaker 1: switch it up, y'all. Switch it up, y'all? Do you?
Speaker 1: But he's just hating a little bit. That's this is
Speaker 1: a little bit hate the sprinkle, right, Let's let's go
Speaker 1: to the next one. This song actually I really hitters.
Speaker 1: Let's go with a kid cutty all right, just kid
Speaker 1: Cutties track. Cleveland is the reason this is a ten song,
Speaker 1: and this one also, I think this was on a
Speaker 1: Kid Cutty mixtape of some sort. But let's check the
Speaker 1: shut out y'all. Really hear it now hit him like
Speaker 1: kind of books, and Cleveland is the reason I'm cool.
Speaker 1: That's it. This whole song. He's just being cool as
Speaker 1: a motherfucker keep two phones. He just like I'm complex,
Speaker 1: like the magazine. I did not like that complex twice thing.
Speaker 1: I know. I was like separately, I'm like, oh, both
Speaker 1: those lines as bad as hell, but then he did
Speaker 1: it twice nidna, But I just yeah, I love the
Speaker 1: song just like Ultra slide, Like the beat is just moonwalking.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And the reason he's cool, Yeah I did it,
Speaker 1: it's I wouldn't you know. It's hard to say. Uh,
Speaker 1: I can't really say it's like about the city of Cleveland,
Speaker 1: but it's more just like a fucking like Cleveland pride
Speaker 1: sort of thing, you know what I mean, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: the Cleveland is the city that we're from, but it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily talking be honest, like like the song is
Speaker 1: just like I'm cool and he's sitting there listening to
Speaker 1: you like, damn, I want to say, that's so cool,
Speaker 1: and he's like on the hook just like, oh, in
Speaker 1: case you were wondering, Cleve and it's the reason of cool.
Speaker 1: And then he got he got that. At the beginning
Speaker 1: of he's like, I'm from Cleveland. Think that y'all can
Speaker 1: hear it? Now? Yeah? I did that. This song is fired.
Speaker 1: This song is fired. The next joint. I'm sorry what
Speaker 1: you're saying. Yes, that's continuous. Okay. So for the last
Speaker 1: song that we have, you know, I mean, I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess homies holding this homies holding it down for
Speaker 1: Cleveland right now, I guess in other genres. So this
Speaker 1: would be Machine Gun Kelly, who has recently kind of
Speaker 1: turned his attention to the world of pop rock. But
Speaker 1: back before he was famous, Gun Kelly was a local
Speaker 1: Cleveland rapper that I do remember. I would see like
Speaker 1: his his freestyles and his uh you know, his vlogs
Speaker 1: and ship like that. Back in the two thousand ten,
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven days before did he came up and
Speaker 1: signed him. But this one, this track is from back then.
Speaker 1: There's a two thousand ten song by Machine Gun Kelly
Speaker 1: back when he was going by Machine Gun Kelly and
Speaker 1: this is called Cleveland simply so let's check this out
Speaker 1: featuring Dubo. I'm going up in the high school. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: this makes me sad. I wish he had stuck with this.
Speaker 1: I know. This is actually another Cleveland Pride song. Shouting
Speaker 1: out of city, shouting out where he video He's got
Speaker 1: lots of sights of the city because I'm still white
Speaker 1: boy from Shaker, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is interestingly, uh, one of the districts that went
Speaker 1: for seance L. Brown. Where was you at because you
Speaker 1: because you shout out South from Nina. No, it's good.
Speaker 1: I mean, my biggest takeaway from it, it's not even
Speaker 1: anything to do with Cleveland or anything like that, But damn,
Speaker 1: where did that Where did that two thousand ten machine gun?
Speaker 1: Kelly go at? You know what I'm saying, Where the
Speaker 1: machine gun? Where did that two ten sounds go? All music?
Speaker 1: We're at the where the bars and like the like
Speaker 1: the We talked about this a little little bit last
Speaker 1: week with Kanye. This was the same era as like graduation.
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, well, the graduation was a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier than this. Perhaps this is like the this
Speaker 1: is the you can hear they were thinking about the
Speaker 1: beautiful Fantasy era. Yeah, so you can hear them thinking
Speaker 1: about how this kind of music sound in the stadium,
Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, and you feel you feel do
Speaker 1: you do you think this? This might be a little controversial,
Speaker 1: but like do you think that? When did he signed him?
Speaker 1: He was like, Yo, man, all that good rapping that
Speaker 1: you're doing, you gotta stop that ship. You gotta knock
Speaker 1: that off right now, all that fast not so you
Speaker 1: need to slow that ship down. We're gonna get you
Speaker 1: this rock gutar. I don't know what happened. I just
Speaker 1: pictured it in my head, like when you like, are
Speaker 1: you like forming a base on a little spinning thing
Speaker 1: with clay and like if you fucking poke it too
Speaker 1: hard and so you gotta be real gentle. We've gotta
Speaker 1: be real gentle with it. And you just get niggas
Speaker 1: coming in like yeah do it to like yes manny
Speaker 1: anything they do, and it's just like stabs the clay
Speaker 1: right in the middle of the whole thing, spins off
Speaker 1: the ship because it come in the studio like yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I just do it, Like what do you think of
Speaker 1: my bars? When I said, like my nick is La
Speaker 1: like yeah, I love it, and then it just sucking
Speaker 1: throws the whole printed. Yes, that that was machine Gun
Speaker 1: Kelly's Cleveland. That was before eminem made him start doing
Speaker 1: rock music. So I think I think we're done with
Speaker 1: this episode. I'm really excited about next week's episode. We're
Speaker 1: going to be talking about eco rap, and you know
Speaker 1: that's obviously going to tie into how our world is
Speaker 1: on a timeline of impending global environmental disaster, but we'll
Speaker 1: get into that another day. I think we gotta end
Speaker 1: this thing, don't we. I think we do. Hey, Joe
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