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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ, and

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Speaker 1: fuck with you. How are we doing? Bo Man, We're good,

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Speaker 1: We're We're good.

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Speaker 2: I just happened to look up at the MACV show

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Speaker 2: to get Paul Schemes on from the Pittsburgh Pirates and

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Speaker 2: DJ A funny story. I remember watching him play I

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Speaker 2: guess my kid when he was at Air Force.

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Speaker 3: Oh really, this dude was Yeah, he.

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Speaker 2: Was at Air Force, Like I think it's Ray's first

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Speaker 2: year and I'm looking and I'm like, you know, he

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Speaker 2: was a position player and it just went all in

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Speaker 2: as a pitcher at LSU.

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Speaker 3: And the thing, this dude is a sock young winner.

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Speaker 1: And time.

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Speaker 3: It's this crazy time All Star. It's bananas.

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Speaker 2: But I think it also speaks to like the last

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Speaker 2: episode we talked about projection whatever, but like that scouting

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Speaker 2: track and how they.

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Speaker 1: Developed go to the next level.

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Speaker 2: There's some guys in this draft class that I'm fascinated

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Speaker 2: to follow to see what that looks like going for

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Speaker 2: for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was asked the other day about this particular draft

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Speaker 1: and what gets you excited because look, we don't have.

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Speaker 1: There's not as many name brand guys name brand positions.

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Speaker 1: There is some other drafts and maybe the one you

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Speaker 1: know we'll have next year. But what gets you excited?

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Speaker 1: And I said, you know, probably for me, it is

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Speaker 1: Day two. I think there's a lot of good players,

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Speaker 1: a lot of good starters to be found there. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I want to go through some positions today

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Speaker 1: and just get some some Day two targets, guys who

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Speaker 1: I think would be uh, would be good fits there,

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Speaker 1: Guys I really like, And I want to get your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on those guys and and maybe throw me somebody

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Speaker 1: else if I'm missing them. Okay, Buck, you will go

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Speaker 1: through this thing. All right, let's go.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the corner position. We're gonna start on defense.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna start the corner position. I'm gonna give you

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Speaker 1: a two. I'm gonna give you three guys who I

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Speaker 1: think are gonna be outstanding Day two picks. Okay, We've

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Speaker 1: got Chris Johnson from San Diego State, Kiante Scott from Miami,

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Speaker 1: and Dangelo Ponds from Indiana. I think all of three

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Speaker 1: that those three second rounders could end up being better

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Speaker 1: football players than the guys who go ahead of him

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Speaker 1: in the first round.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk first and Chris Johnson. The first thing

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Speaker 2: that stands out in my notes is the talenty technician,

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Speaker 2: zone man, pedal, off ball skills everything.

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Speaker 3: I compare them to you Davis White.

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Speaker 2: Remember when you Davis White was coming out to LSU,

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Speaker 2: just how solid he was, just kind of checked off boxes.

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Speaker 2: He was a late first round pick. But in Johnson,

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Speaker 2: that's what I see. I see someone who just has it.

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Speaker 2: And maybe he's not the front line like CB one,

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Speaker 2: but I just think he's a long time starter that

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Speaker 3: Lot of success in this league.

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Speaker 2: Just a really good football player. So you can't get

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Speaker 2: enough of those guys on your squad. And then and Ponds,

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Speaker 3: And then DJ like we'll.

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Speaker 2: Talk about like what he did at the prod into

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Speaker 2: four threes, the forty two inch vertical all of that,

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Speaker 2: but special team's ability, blocking punts and those things like

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Speaker 1: In the pros. So I'm all in on Ponds and.

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Speaker 3: I'm all in on Chris Johnson being a fantastic player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then to me, Keante Scott, the third one

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Speaker 1: He plays with the energy and the edge that I love.

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Speaker 1: He's someone who, to me, can he could play some nickel.

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Speaker 2: Because when you look at him, particularly at Miami, he's

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Speaker 2: in the slot. He has kind of that star position

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Speaker 3: And we have talked about it for a long time.

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Speaker 2: About the positionless football and how so many people are

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Speaker 2: you to have good tacklers and guys who have a

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Speaker 2: variety of skills. Gantek Scott is the perfect star defended

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Speaker 1: And yeah, no question. A couple of other names I'll

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Speaker 1: Kilgore from South Carolin and the Nickel He is a

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Speaker 1: I think Keith Abney probably goes in the third round. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And we started doing that, and we started getting closer

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Speaker 2: You're going to see more people, more teams that we

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Speaker 2: have projected in mock drafts to take corners early. Maybe

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Speaker 2: bypassed that to take another position, whether that's an edge

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Speaker 2: rusher and those positions and then circle back in the

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Speaker 2: second and third round and get their corner because the

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Speaker 3: On that second round, third round window, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: All right, jump to safeties here. I've got Trading Stokes again.

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Speaker 1: I have him, yeah, out of Arizona. He's you know,

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about AJ Halsey because we haven't talked about

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Speaker 2: at LSU and they just talk about how he is

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Speaker 2: just a terrific football player, not just because of the

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Speaker 3: How he can put the big picture thing together.

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Speaker 2: He's always around it and when you history, he has

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Speaker 2: always done it. I'm looking at just the number of

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Speaker 2: when I look at his build, he reminds me a

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Speaker 2: put him on the field, man, they make plays.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of how Holse reminds me.

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Speaker 2: Of He's gonna be a playmaker. And you're gonna look

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Speaker 2: and just wonder why is he always around the ball,

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Speaker 2: Why is he always making play?

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Speaker 1: He just has no doubt. Some good safeties there to

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Speaker 1: defensive tackles. I'm just kind of working my way down

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Speaker 1: the list here Defensive tackles, Day two. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: give you a couple interesting ones here. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 2: One nickname of the draft big Big Oranges, Big Sitters.

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Speaker 2: When I watched the tape tough, hard working, active hans,

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Speaker 2: is always outstanding. And the one thing that I'll say

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Speaker 2: about this class that really shows up DJ, there's a

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Speaker 2: Now he has to be in the right defense that

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Speaker 2: more than just being a pocket pusher on the inside.

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Speaker 2: Solid player, and I think he's an integral part of

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Speaker 2: a defense. Taking day two, we talk about making the

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Speaker 2: third round that we see that because we see a

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Speaker 3: Of the cod that kind of makes it work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. Again, the sack production is not there,

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Speaker 1: We'll knock out some more positions. All right, buck, let's

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Speaker 1: go to the edge guys here. I'll give you three

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go Joshua Josephs from Tennessee who's got a

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Speaker 2: You talk about scout to him, But what I love

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Speaker 2: about Llewellyn, We've talked about Iowa and defense. Those guys playing,

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Speaker 3: They playing the pro.

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Speaker 1: So he's gonna be able to.

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Speaker 3: Understand and fit and play in his role and thriving

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Speaker 2: Yakins is the one that stands out to me because

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Speaker 2: I am looking at a guy with twenty seven career sacks,

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You watch him and it's just power inside outside outworked

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Speaker 2: important because out for fundamentals over flash, He's not a

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Speaker 2: flashy player, but man weekend week.

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Speaker 1: Out, year and year out.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna give you that consistent production and that is

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Speaker 1: Wrestler buck time me up. I'll take all the wrestlers

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Speaker 3: Loved it and it speaks. It speaks to his game

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Speaker 2: He's not afraid to kind of mix it up a

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Speaker 2: we look. We love multi sport athlete, the trenches that

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Speaker 3: I love that all right.

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Speaker 1: Last position on defense, here's some linebackers. Some day two linebackers.

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Speaker 1: I have I'm going to go more second round guys

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Speaker 1: in this group here, Jake Golda from Cincinnati, Kyle Lewis

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Speaker 1: I think third round he could could man, he could

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Speaker 1: even throw Bryce Betcher from Oregon in there as a

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I like Betcha's background in terms of being a baseball

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Speaker 2: where he goes. To me, Kyle Lewis is the one

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Speaker 2: of the beholder. You have him listed as a linebacker

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Speaker 2: as a safety, but I have down in my notes

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Speaker 1: I want to play him. I gave him high grade,

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Speaker 2: He makes splash plays, he has effort, energy, enthusiasm, He

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Speaker 2: is one hundred percent of kid. He has violence and disruption, toughness, physicality.

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Speaker 2: The thing that really holds him back from being maybe

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Speaker 1: Like the first two hundred and twenty two pounds.

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Speaker 2: Is he heavy enough, dense enough to kind of be

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Speaker 3: That's kind of why I kicked him out.

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Speaker 1: Kicked him out with the thought that he's going to be.

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Speaker 3: Played and deployed like they do. I man, worry like they.

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Speaker 2: Do Kyle Hamilton, like they do all of these hybrid

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Speaker 1: I see him as dead.

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Speaker 2: But he's a really good player. Do a deeper dave

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Speaker 1: Saw him also at the senior Yeah, he reminds me

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Speaker 3: Linebacker quarterback in high school.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, quarterback in high school, I think, but played fast,

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Speaker 1: That's who he reminded me of. You know when I

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Speaker 1: watched him. But with Kyle Lewis, I wrote down hybrid

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Speaker 1: safety linebacker. I think he's gonna be like to me

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Speaker 1: as like a nickel backer. He's going to be hell

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Speaker 1: on wheels. You can walk him out over this, you

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Speaker 1: can walk him out over the slot. Uh, he's the

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Speaker 1: best man cover, you know, linebacker or safety in the draft.

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Speaker 1: Wherever you classify, he's the best of the man coverage

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Speaker 3: So that so that's where I think it is.

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Speaker 2: And that's what's becoming increasingly hard about like putting guys

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Speaker 2: and where to put him. I just know he's a

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Speaker 2: really good football player. I want him on my team,

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Speaker 2: and I want to put him somewhere we can just

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Speaker 2: kind of do what he does. Twenty four tackles, have lost,

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Speaker 2: ten stacks, six interception. I mean, just a history of

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Speaker 2: splash played production. You just got to find a spot

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Speaker 2: for him, whether that's linebacker, whether it's safety, whether that's

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Speaker 2: a combination, whatever that is.

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Speaker 3: Kyle Lewis from pitt is a great player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm a fan of his as well, really

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Speaker 1: good player. Let's flip over to the other side here, quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the Let's go to the wide receiver position.

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Speaker 1: Bucks some day, two guys, I'll throw a couple out

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Speaker 1: Ted Hurst, Chris Bell, and I'm gonna also throw out

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Speaker 1: You know a guy who's been beat up late in

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Speaker 3: How about that? How about that? A few different things.

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Speaker 1: I am.

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Speaker 2: I am upset because my bill has already been out there,

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Speaker 2: so I can't quote unquote claim it.

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Speaker 1: He is terrific.

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Speaker 2: Run after catching those things, big physical man. I used

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Speaker 2: six to one. You just don't see that. So he's

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Speaker 2: a really good player. We'll see what he is like

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Speaker 2: when he comes back from his injury. Ted Hurst notes,

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Speaker 2: immediately I wrote down natural X receiver. I want to

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Speaker 2: put him on the super smooth and fluid and it's man,

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Speaker 2: it's funny going all the way back. This is an

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Speaker 2: old comparison in terms of his smoothness. He reminds me

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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna say this, And I remember the buzz

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Speaker 2: him hot marks because he's natural. He makes great catches,

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Speaker 3: For his size, I thought he was smooth and fluid.

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Speaker 2: He's productive over time, and I know people got spooked

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Speaker 3: Said this time and time again, the best.

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Speaker 2: Guys at wide receiver five ish and don't be wild

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Speaker 2: we're going to look back and be like, man, why

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Speaker 2: do we fade off of him when he was so

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was great the Senior Bowl. I shoot, I

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Speaker 1: How about some tight ends bucks some day two tight ends.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you a few here. I'll just give you

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Speaker 2: A state champion jumper. He is going to jump hot

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Speaker 2: But he's fantastic in terms of as a pass catcher,

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Speaker 3: And he's a very successful starting time end.

437
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a good player. I like to produce tape

438
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,359
Speaker 1: better than Ohio State tape too. I think you go

439
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 1: back there, you see him more run after catch. You

440
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,720
Speaker 1: see a little more dynamic player than what you saw

441
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 1: for the Buck guys. All right, let's go running backs.

442
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 3: Buck.

443
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a great running back class, but

444
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 1: some interesting guys here, at least, you know, I'll throw

445
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,400
Speaker 1: out a couple guys, but Emma Johnson we've talked about

446
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:49,160
Speaker 1: from Nebraska, Mike Washington junior out of Arkansas, and then

447
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,480
Speaker 1: I'll throw one in here. This is probably gonna be

448
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,120
Speaker 1: probably more of a fourth rounder, but could sneak into

449
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 1: the third rounder. I'll give you one here. How about

450
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,159
Speaker 1: Demon Claiborne out of wake Forest. A's kind of an

451
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: undersized player and eighty eight pounds, but big time, big

452
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 1: time juice.

453
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, big time the show today because of the juice.

454
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 1: The thing that stood.

455
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 3: Out to me watching him at wake Forest is just

456
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 3: stop start quickness first.

457
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 2: Not a lot of power in his game, but to me,

458
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 2: he strikes me as a look he is that scat

459
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 2: back that we used to always have in the rotation.

460
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 2: Like you may have two bigger backs at one and two,

461
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,360
Speaker 2: but the third guy was a change of pace back

462
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 2: that you've come in in the passing game. Think Kenny

463
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 2: Kenneth gain will in terms of what he's been able

464
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 2: to do in those things. I don't know if he

465
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 2: has that pop to hold it essen wiggle. He's quickness,

466
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 2: and I think he's one of the best screen runners

467
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 2: that we've seen. His patience executing the screen stands out.

468
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 2: He has a lot of production. I have him right

469
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 2: there at the borderline, DJ have him at the bottom

470
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:49,640
Speaker 2: of day two.

471
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 3: Someone that's gonna have success. One hundred and ninety five

472
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 3: pounds is life.

473
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 2: But look, man, if Kenneth Gamewell can have success and

474
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: other skinning slender types can have success.

475
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely can have this league in the right role.

476
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now another guy like probably is gonna be more Dave.

477
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: It's going to be probably fourth round, even he could

478
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: even go a little later. Just a player. I like

479
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: watching with Noah Whittington from Oregon twenty four years, six

480
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 1: year player, but he runs hard man five eight two

481
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 1: two oh five. He's a fun one, so we'll see

482
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 1: where he ends up going. But overall running back not

483
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: the not the best year for backs, buck No, not

484
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: the best year.

485
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: But I think once again we talked about like rolls

486
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 2: and playing, it's unfortunate that Nicholas Singleton got hurt because

487
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 2: I wonder he's out there for me.

488
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 1: I haven't reduction a bunch of those guys.

489
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, man, like he has big play potential. Just

490
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 2: I'm looking at everything and I'm just wondering why. It's

491
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: funny because coaches no more but Singleton and Kate Tryan Allen,

492
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 2: and in Kate Ron Allen, I compare him to David

493
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 2: Montgomery kind of steady, yet he just an oozer. But

494
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 2: me and Singleton, I see the juice and to me,

495
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 2: I have single man right, And I'm like, why don't

496
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 2: we give the ball to the guy with the juice.

497
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: Let's go down.

498
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 2: That's what I'm Yeah, I think Singleton is one of

499
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: those to keep an eye.

500
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: He's my fifth, So I have it Emmett Johnson, I

501
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 1: have the two Notre Dame kids, then EMITTT Johnson, Mike

502
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: Washington Junior, then Nick Singleton.

503
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 3: That's just what happened.

504
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, my first top five, I had Singleton at the

505
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 2: bottom of the thing. But when Washington ran the comment

506
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: and then the injury to Singleton, I flipped it.

507
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's in my thing. He's one of those guys.

508
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 3: That I would put like a little doggie on the

509
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 3: notebook page to make sure that we don't forget about.

510
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: All Right, we're running out of time here, so just

511
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 1: real quick, I'll give you a three offensive lineman. I'll

512
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: give you two interior guys and then one tackle. So

513
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: the two interior guys I love. On day two, I'm

514
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: going to give you I'm gonna go, uh, let's go

515
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: with Well Rutledge from Georgia Tech, my forty ninth players.

516
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 1: I love him. And then I will give you one

517
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 1: more interior guy. I'll give you Logan Jones, a center

518
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: from Iowa, who I think is going to be a

519
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: plug and play starter. I think he goes in the

520
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: late second to the mid third. Like I'm guessing, he

521
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: probably goes in that range somewhere. So those are two

522
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: interior guys, and I'll give you one tackle for day two.

523
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: I will give you the kid from Northwestern Caleb Tiernan,

524
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: someone who could like good Land in the second good

525
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: Land in the second round. When it's all said, almost

526
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: six foot eight three n twenty three pounds, those are

527
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: three lines.

528
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: It's funny, man, because everybody that you listed, I have

529
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 2: a similar grade on all of them in the same range.

530
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: If we were in the draft room, they will all

531
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: be right there, clumped together. Brother.

532
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 2: The first thing I have bully ball specialists like he

533
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: gets after it monster.

534
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: That's what I said.

535
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 3: In my nose.

536
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: He is nailing those edge blockers when he's coming to

537
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: pool and kick out the quickness. I like clients, really patient,

538
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 2: super good player. Logan Jones forty nine starts. I am

539
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 2: absolutely all about that. The experience matters. Zone blocking special

540
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: that you just see how quick he is in a

541
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 2: short area, very effective getting to the second level. He's

542
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: going to be a starter from the jump and then

543
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: tearing in from Northwestern. I just think the way that

544
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: he runs his feet to finish not powerful, but he's

545
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: just kind of sticky.

546
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 3: And when we think about those zone based teams, he

547
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 3: is a nice fit.

548
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 2: Versus that the only question that I had because I

549
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: love the balance and by the control anchor versus power.

550
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 2: If someone just really attacks him with power, will he

551
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 2: be able to sit down and do it? But DJ,

552
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 2: when I watch him, the way that he sorts out

553
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: the stunts, the games and does all those things, to me,

554
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: he is a guy that starts pretty early in his career.

555
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: He has the goods. Yeah, just play, just plays a

556
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: little high and that's where you get some of the

557
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: some of the issues on the anchor side of things.

558
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: We can slide in the mirror. Is really good second

559
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 1: level like he said, he's got quick feet, plays him

560
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: wear but good player, all right, Buck, If we kind

561
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: of ripped through some uh some day two guys or

562
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: that was fun. I do think that's the that's the

563
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: good stuff in this draft. Yeah, I think that's the

564
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: good stuff from his draft.

565
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna be honest with you, do that's the

566
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 3: good stuff.

567
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: Like when it comes to pot.

568
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: I love being able to scrimmage out.

569
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: Some of those things that we're different because I got

570
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: this old tattered notebook that I keep representing you're on

571
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: scrolling and doing it. But but it is funny how

572
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 2: that works. I don't have the color coded system that.

573
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 3: You have with the muffle pins, but I do like

574
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 3: that for it.

575
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: And sometimes, particularly when we're in the process of doing shows,

576
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: sometimes we don't get to talk about those players enough

577
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 2: because we kind of played the hits and the notable names.

578
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 2: But this draft has a lot of guys that are

579
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 2: worker bees.

580
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: That will find success.

581
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 3: And I've been asked about it.

582
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: I said, look, I think this is a draft full

583
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: of specialists, guys that you have to put in the

584
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: right role, right role. They could be starts in their role.

585
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: They're not the transcendent class. But there's some really good

586
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 2: players that we're.

587
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: Going to talk about for a long.

588
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: Time, no doubt. All right, well that's going to do

589
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: it for us. We appreciate you guys hanging. We'll see

590
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: you next time right here on with the sticks