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Speaker 1: Trust me? Do you trust me? Right ever lead you

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Speaker 1: a story?

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Speaker 2: Trust?

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Speaker 1: This is the truth, the only truth.

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Speaker 3: If anybody ever tells you to just trust them, don't

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Speaker 3: welcome to trust me. The podcast about called Extreme Belief

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Speaker 3: in Manipulation from two scissor wielders who've actually experienced it.

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Speaker 1: I am lol Oblanc and I'm Megan Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: And today we are back part two with Martina Castro,

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Speaker 3: creator of incredible podcast two Faced John of God, which

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Speaker 3: is a new exactly right podcast series about John of God,

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Speaker 3: the Brazilian I'm using quotation marks healer and I'm using

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Speaker 3: quotation marks psychic surgeon. So last week we talked about

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Speaker 3: John of God so called healings and doctor spirits that

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Speaker 3: attracted celebrities and visitors from all over the world, including Oprah.

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Speaker 3: And this week Martina is going to walk us through

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Speaker 3: some of the darker allegations that began to come out

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Speaker 3: about him.

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Speaker 4: She'll tell us about how the sexual abuse survivors began

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Speaker 4: to come forward with their stories, the deep political influenced

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Speaker 4: John of God had and the town that allowed him

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Speaker 4: to get away with it and plain sight for literally decades,

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Speaker 4: the mysterious disappearances in the town and the psychology of

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Speaker 4: what it takes to not only seek out self proclaimed

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Speaker 4: healers like John of God, but also to finally accept

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Speaker 4: that maybe he's not who you thought he was.

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Speaker 3: Much more to get into and content warning, we will

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Speaker 3: be touching on sexual abuse, and I think that we

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Speaker 3: want to mention another instance.

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Speaker 2: Of pure, pure darkness. Pure dark you're looking.

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Speaker 1: For, yes, pure darkness.

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Speaker 4: This isn't the cultiest thing, per se, but we're definitely

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Speaker 4: working on an Epstein episode digging into that.

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Speaker 1: We are aware of how horrific it all is.

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Speaker 4: I myself got into an algorithm loophole where it was

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Speaker 4: just I would be opening my Instagram like expecting to

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Speaker 4: see something my friends smiling, and instead it would just

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Speaker 4: be the most horrific stuff. And I did start to

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Speaker 4: get some like mental health pages being like, hey, you

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Speaker 4: need to stop scrolling on this stuff. The human brain

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Speaker 4: needs guardrails, Like people, even professionally trained, can't handle this

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Speaker 4: much information and pictures and whatever and.

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Speaker 1: So much horrific graphic. Yeah, yeah stuff.

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Speaker 4: I actually had to take all the apps off my phone.

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Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever been as bad of a

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Speaker 4: headspace as I was looking at some of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: So that's saying a lot sus Christ that is actually

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Speaker 3: No, it's I mean, it's horrible and it's happening to

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Speaker 3: be really mindful about how we engage with social media

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Speaker 3: in times like this. And then like my algorithm is

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Speaker 3: like slightly, I'm seeing a lot of epscene stuff. I'm

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Speaker 3: also seeing a lot of ice brutality, and like it's

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Speaker 3: so hard not to get sucked into the darkness and

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Speaker 3: think that there is no hope because so many horrible

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Speaker 3: things are happening, but we did it's important to check

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Speaker 3: out and take mental health breaks and.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, I mean it's just coming from

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Speaker 3: Well, my cultiest thing, unfortunately, is also so dark that

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to talk about it for that long. Okay,

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Speaker 3: My cultiest thing is about one of these you know,

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Speaker 3: we've talked a little bit about some of these online

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Speaker 3: groups that are coercing children and teenagers into harming themselves

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Speaker 3: or you know, sending images, and you know, like these horrible,

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Speaker 3: and like the origin of how this kid became this

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Speaker 3: He his name is Bradley Cadenhead, and he founded a

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Speaker 3: group online called A seven six', four which is. Name

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Speaker 3: we've touched on that lightly, before but, yeah never those

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Speaker 3: deeply do we talk about seven six four. SPECIFICALLY i

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Speaker 3: can't remember the names of the different. Groups So, CADENHEAD

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Speaker 3: i just was like learning about his, backstory and it's

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Speaker 3: unclear how it, happened but for whatever, reason he began

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Speaker 3: feeling more powerful by controlling people online and getting us

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Speaker 3: shocking and brutal and cruel as. Possible so like you,

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Speaker 3: know feel free to look it up yourself if you

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Speaker 3: want to see some of the. Specifics it's like really,

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Speaker 4: Cool, well one OF i think my main goals in

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Speaker 4: younger generations behind me are, Like, megan this is so,

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Speaker 4: Real like it affects people that we, Know like this is.

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Speaker 4: Big So i'm, like, OKAY i believe, you And i'm seeing.

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Speaker 2: It in the news more and more and.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah he was having kids like Carve iHeart cp

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Speaker 3: seven six four into their bodies and shit like, That

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Speaker 3: like it's it's really. Horrible and it is crazy, too

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Speaker 3: because usually when you hear someone say stuff like, this

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Speaker 3: Sensationalized And i'm sure that that's part of it, too

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Speaker 3: reporting real journalism on multiple communities like these that's like,

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Speaker 3: this that keep branching off and creating other like, subgroups

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Speaker 3: and so, anyway it's just, like, obviously you, know it's

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Speaker 3: learning about like this guy and this leader who started

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Speaker 3: this group is a dark. JOURNEY i was not planning

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Speaker 3: on going on, today but that is WHERE i, Went.

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Speaker 1: Oh what's your cultist, Thing?

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Speaker 4: Megan oh, God, Okay so a friend of mine Has

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Speaker 4: julia shout. Out julia has been sounding the alarm on

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Speaker 4: a church and Reading california Called bethel THAT i have

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Speaker 4: seen in the news a couple of, times AND i

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Speaker 4: lot of press for being, fraudulent. Horrible it like owns

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Speaker 4: i'm Watching When Girls TikTok right, now AND i would

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Speaker 4: one of the. Ministers his name Is Sean. BELLS i

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Speaker 4: what one of our former guests who was seeing a psychic,

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Speaker 4: which you, know reminded me of our episode With Noah

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Speaker 4: wells where she was on a community with a psychic

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Speaker 4: who was doing something. Similar and there's this woman on

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Speaker 2: Like you are You are you having A jubilee? Soon

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Speaker 4: SO i would love to do an episode With, jubilee

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Speaker 4: know there's just so many but there are many tactics

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Speaker 4: know not say you're dating a girl Named. Jubilee it's,

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Speaker 4: I will just, say like like The Wayne dyre thing

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Speaker 2: Appropriately, YES i MEAN i can't say THAT i heard

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Speaker 1: Shit and there's a whole we should.

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Speaker 3: Do a whole investigative episode on, it because it's actually

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Speaker 3: out a, loan like WHATEVER i have to. Do and, like,

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Speaker 3: FORTUNATELY i like the MAN i spoke to gave enough

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Speaker 3: red flags THAT i was, like oh, fuck this is

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Speaker 3: completely just a. Scam and there's so many PEOPLE i

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Speaker 3: see In facebook groups who are falling prey to stuff like,

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Speaker 3: will do. Anything did you join system Sell facebook? GROUPS i, don't,

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Speaker 3: because they pretend that it's an actual study, research and it's.

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Speaker 1: Not it's not, legitimate it's not.

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Speaker 2: Real i'm so glad you brought that up BECAUSE i

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Speaker 2: think it's important to draw parallels for, people because you,

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Speaker 2: KNOW i don't have a, religion so it's harder for

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Speaker 2: me to put myself In unapolo's. Shoes but you say this,

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Speaker 2: story And i'm, like one million. Percent if someone talked

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Speaker 2: about something, Sciency i'd be, like oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes,

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Speaker 2: yes sign me. Up where DO i? Pay like that sounds?

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Speaker 2: Right and of, course you, Know i'm. Grateful my mom

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Speaker 2: Anything she's, LIKE i don't, know let me, See LIKE

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Speaker 2: ends up being so compelling for her to.

436
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 3: Continue, right our Framework i'm similar to, You like if

437
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 3: our Framework chris, science but if someone else's entire life's

438
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 3: framework is spirituality and healing like, that of course why

439
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 3: would you not do?

440
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 1: That of course you're gonna do.

441
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 2: That, yeah this person's in everything like fed into, it

442
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,679
Speaker 2: like the, room the office where this abuse would. Happen

443
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 2: it's like he's got pictures of himself with presidents and

444
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 2: ministers and like like it's just it's all like kind

445
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 2: of giving you this vibe of, like, well how COULD

446
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 2: i be the only person that's also, important the only

447
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 2: one that doesn't believe in him or doesn't trust. Him

448
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 2: look at all these people who trust, him important people

449
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: like he's, important he's a, healer he's. Beloved maybe he's.

450
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 2: Right maybe he does have to do this to. Me

451
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: maybe this is my penance for SOMETHING i did in

452
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 2: a past, life and it's just What i'm going to

453
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 2: have to. Do until you know That lie just didn't

454
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 2: have any more, Legs and she woke up and was, like,

455
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: damn it had the same moment that you. Did i've been.

456
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 3: Scammed oh it's so heartbreaking hearing.

457
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 5: It really?

458
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: Is it really. IS i feel like it's going to

459
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 2: be a bummer for people that want to go listen to,

460
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 2: this but it's really compelling to hear her. Speak it

461
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 2: was very important to me for her to get to

462
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 2: speak from her place of truth and. Comfort SO i

463
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: do want to say there was no one on this

464
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: podcast who was forced to say anything that felt re.

465
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: Traumatizing that was not the. POINT i was, very very

466
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 2: respectful of. That BUT i said to her as, Like,

467
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 2: okay everything that happens after, this you get to decide

468
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 2: what you want to. Say you can say, nothing BUT

469
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: i do want to give you a space to say

470
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: what you want to. Say and she was so quick

471
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 2: to be, like what that man did to me is.

472
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 2: Over it's in my. Past he can do no more

473
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 2: harm to. Me AND i know WHEN i use my,

474
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: VOICE i am more, Powerful SO i have no problem

475
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: telling you what. Happened AND i was just, like, oh, yes,

476
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: yes you are. Amazing how incredible to see a person

477
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 2: really take their place of power in a moment of such,

478
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: vulnerability totally and SO i went through a really emotional

479
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 2: roller coaster reporting, this BUT i landed on what an

480
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: honor to get to witness and you, know kind of

481
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: let this woman have her peace and say what happened

482
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 2: to her and tell her story and live it out

483
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: to a kind of incredible. End it's really incredible where

484
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 2: it goes after, that you. Know so, anyway, listen you

485
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: guys should listen to. ME i, mean you have.

486
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 4: Several first hand accounts in this podcasts that are all equally.

487
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 4: Compelling it's just you, know their, voices their. Stories it's

488
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 4: it's a wonderful.

489
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: Listen there was ONE i can't.

490
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 4: BELIEVE i can't remember if it Was, maria but somebody, said,

491
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 4: like you guys were talking about their trauma and the equipment,

492
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 4: broke and.

493
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: She was, like of, course.

494
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 4: Yeah hearing her interview and she was just like kind of, like,

495
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 4: Yeah John god did, it like it like his energy did.

496
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: It and it's like that always.

497
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 4: Happens it's always happened to, him and still kind of

498
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 4: believing in him even as you have to speak out about.

499
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 4: Him it just really shows the strength that it, takes

500
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 4: because that's.

501
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: Scary it is.

502
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 4: Scary i'm not, sure it continues to be, yes, yes

503
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 4: and you like you kind of feel like these people

504
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 4: have the power to kind of Like i'm going to

505
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 4: take out kind of like shut, Up, megan you kind of.

506
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: You got. This you got, This. Megan you feel.

507
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 4: Like these people will have the ability to almost curse.

508
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: You, yes that came up many. Times if he can

509
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: heal you.

510
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 3: From one thousand miles, away, right oh my, god, yes

511
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 3: and he also hurt, you, right that's.

512
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: Terrified, OH i mean, yeah he claimed a very expansive. Power.

513
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah the fact that people can be aware of the

514
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 3: harm that he's committing but it doesn't necessarily like. Burst

515
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 3: the belief in him as a healer and as a

516
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 3: powerful person is really really interesting to. Me there's a

517
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 3: man on the podcast who talks about how he knew

518
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 3: what was going, on and ultimately he was, like, well

519
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,479
Speaker 3: there's so much good there, was so these healings are.

520
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: Happening well because he's two.

521
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 4: People, yeah, yeah, yeah he can be a bad, guy

522
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 4: true channel the good.

523
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: Guy, right that was said to. Me that was actually

524
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: said to. Me some people were, like he gave into

525
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: his carnal. Desires, yeah but then he used his power

526
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: for bat he let himself be corrupted by his literal

527
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: like THEY i think they used the term kernel desires or.

528
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: Weaknesses, wait what's, like, ew he's.

529
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 3: The medium and then he's the entity. Entity so, right

530
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: so it's like the, medium, yes but the.

531
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: Entity we need the.

532
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: Entity we need the, entity and his gift is too.

533
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 4: Important, yeah so like that one's, bad but like we

534
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 4: need the.

535
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: Entity, yeah so just and the work we're doing here

536
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: with the spirits is so important we can't disturb, that you.

537
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 2: Know that was that was a really interesting moment because

538
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: to live in that. Place oh my, Gosh LIKE i

539
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 2: was like in shock when when he said, that because

540
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: he admitted to knowing and oh yeah we. Knew yeah.

541
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: Yeah but we see that all the time and in

542
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 3: groups like, THIS i, mean and in, politics and like you,

543
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 3: know like it's if we believe in something strongly, enough

544
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: the things they are going to be red flags that

545
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 3: we just excuse and we sweep under the rug because we're, like,

546
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 3: well it's worth, it it's worth.

547
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: It it's worth. It it's worth it for the, power

548
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: it's worth it for the bigger.

549
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: Goal yeah, YEAH i MEAN i take so many life

550
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: lessons from. THIS i Think i'm the kind of person

551
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 2: WHO i just really believe that people are. GOOD i

552
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: want to be one of. THOSE i, MEAN i JUST

553
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: i THINK i was just built that, way AND i

554
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 2: really connect with the goodness and, people And i'm prone

555
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: to kind of explain away a red flag like one

556
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: same maybe even. Two but then you're, like how long

557
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: does it take right for you to? Switch that was

558
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: the most compelling thing about this for. ME i was,

559
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 2: like how long do you let it go until you

560
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: go a? Wait? Stop this isn't WHAT i thought it.

561
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: Was this is all of, Us this is all, people

562
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: but mainly. WOMEN i, mean we are so conditioned to

563
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: think of the other person's comfort so that red flags

564
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: don't literally make us get up out of our. Seat

565
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: we're like just sitting and thinking about it still because.

566
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 4: It's dangerous and get out of your, seat or get

567
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 4: up and get out of the town and.

568
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: Or yell or and they stop. EXACTLY i, mean you

569
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: have to, decide AM i going to listen to that

570
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: little red? Flag because it's not like you don't feel.

571
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: It you're, like that's that was? Weird but what was?

572
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: That but it's a part of.

573
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: It it's.

574
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 4: You it's your demon like testing you where's your faith?

575
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 3: Right and when you feel a red flag but no

576
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: one else around you is indicating that they. Do and

577
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: they are people who are maybe seem to have more

578
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: authority in society than you, do and like it seems

579
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: smart and great and like it's all working for, Them

580
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 3: like that red flag is going to get.

581
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: Really, quiet, yeah really.

582
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 7: Green it's gonna get kind of like, yellow, yellow yellow

583
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 7: yellow before, green.

584
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: It's going to be, yellow and you're gonna be.

585
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 4: Confused and when you're, confused you can't make good.

586
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: Decisions you're too.

587
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: Confused and you're, confused you're too.

588
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 4: Confused like cognitive dissonance is like a like a stun guart,

589
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 4: start a stun dart stun Dark Scars, guard you're just

590
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 4: a LITTLE i.

591
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: Wish it was A scars.

592
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 6: Guard are we able to talk a little bit about the?

593
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: Cases they love? To i'd love BECAUSE i think that's

594
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: the most interesting part because none of the Other there's

595
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: been a lot of work on this. Case obviously it's

596
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: it was a very big, deal especially In, brazil but

597
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: not very much about what happened, after and it so much,

598
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: Happened so the real heroes are the women who spoke

599
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: out but they were facing a lot of challenges to

600
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: get people to believe, them and they were very. Alone

601
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: they thought they were the only, one and so there

602
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: were a Few one person actually went all the way

603
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: and lost in. Court so it was just a very

604
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: challenging legal, case you, know until it so happened that

605
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: a foreigner came out with an, accusation and it was

606
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: the timing or it was you, know who. Knows there

607
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: was like a lot of things we do try to

608
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: do a good job, of like tracking what was happening.

609
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: Chronologically is it's just over the course of such a

610
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: huge amount of, time there was something coming to a,

611
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: HEAD i, think and then it was the me too

612
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: movement happening, worldwide and somehow this this accusation that came

613
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: out online did gain, traction and female journalists separately had

614
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: two separate organizations picked it up and were, like, wait

615
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: what is This and it didn't take that much like

616
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: digging to start finding more and more testimonies of the.

617
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 3: Abuse which spanned. Decades, decades that's how long people were keeping.

618
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 3: Quiet and one of the stories in the podcast is

619
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 3: about something he does in front of. Everyone, yeah in

620
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 3: lots of, line like hundreds of people can see.

621
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: It many, people many people reported that that he would

622
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: have them fondle him in front of other.

623
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: People and that continues for, decades.

624
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: Decades remember everyone's, closed has their eyes. Closed there's eyes,

625
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,239
Speaker 2: police you, know they're, like, oh close your eyes. Remember so,

626
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: gosh it's really hard not to get emotional talking about

627
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: it actually now because it's, like you don't want to

628
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: believe this as. POSSIBLE i lived in this story for

629
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: quite some. Time but what's incredible is that there was

630
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: this push from these journalists to get this story, out,

631
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: yes and it. Didn't they did not wait for law.

632
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: Enforcement they did not wait for like the valid you.

633
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: Know they were, like, no, no, No if this goes

634
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: as deep as it, goes it means people know at

635
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: all levels of, government, right you got to push this out,

636
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: now and they. Did that is a culminating moment in

637
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: the series when we talk about how these journalists pulled that,

638
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: off and that that kind of opens The pandora's. Bock

639
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: there's no going back because it's just the. Scale it

640
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: just even the people who were defending him really couldn't.

641
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: Anymore and so then it's like will he be put?

642
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: Away will justice be? Served like that's the big overarching

643
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: question over the last two, episodes which we explore from

644
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: the legal perspective and also from the perspective of the,

645
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: survivors like do they believe that now they feel like

646
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: some piece over? This even the JOURNALISTS i talk to

647
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: them about. It SO i kind of geeked out about

648
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: the legal side of, Things LIKE i really hope our

649
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: audience sticks with, us BECAUSE i just think the legal

650
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: aspect is so when you think about, justice, obviously but

651
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: like how we can prevent this from. Happening, FRANKLY i,

652
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: mean if we're trying to do, anything it's LIKE i

653
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: don't need to have some, morbid you, know walk down

654
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: these people's horrible. EXPERIENCES i want to hear about how

655
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: this managed to happen and how are we going to

656
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: keep it from happening, again, Right like that's my goal

657
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 2: as a, person AND i hope that that kind of

658
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 2: comes across to the audience that like we're exploring this

659
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: concept of a two faced person pulling it off and

660
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: what it took to take the mask, off, Right and

661
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: so the legal aspect was just super important in my,

662
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: Mind and how can you build a case when you

663
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: have zero? Evidence hard. Evidence you will only have their, testimony, right.

664
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 4: And their testimony sounds a little bit, wonky right because they're,

665
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 4: like no that was.

666
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: The, no, no, no that was.

667
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 4: Yeah but they pull off some tricks that you guys

668
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 4: got to go listen to this podcast to find.

669
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: Out BECAUSE i was, like, well that's, smart.

670
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 2: That's, good. RIGHT i, mean this man what a. Hero

671
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: there's so many, heroes but this particular prosecutor who led

672
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: the case Against john Of god built a really incredible

673
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 2: argument to put him away and to find the sort

674
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: of his way Through brazilian law to really bring the

675
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: maximum maximum force that they could in a very difficult.

676
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: SITUATION i, mean sexual abuse cases are notoriously hard to.

677
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: Prosecute you don't have witnesses, mostly and you don't have

678
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 2: hard evidence. MOSTLY i mean these cases happened decades, Ago

679
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: like how can you there's statutal limitations or some cases

680
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: you can't even. Include BUT i do spend a, whole

681
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: LIKE i think two episodes an episode and a half

682
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: just going through how he may ticulously managed to deal

683
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: with these challenges and build a very strong case against.

684
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: Him how often or how many people did you talk

685
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 3: to or learn about who stopped believing him entirely after

686
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: their experiences with.

687
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: Him at least one there's one voice you're going to

688
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 2: hear who who really really abandoned all all belief and

689
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: communities and of, Belief like she's just, LIKE i don't

690
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: even want religion. Anymore and, YEAH i would say, well

691
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: and also the tour. GUIDE i, MEAN i don't want

692
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: to speak for, him But i'm pretty Sure michael would

693
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: say he doesn't think that he was. Real. Yeah michael's like,

694
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: No michael's, like, guy, yeah who is this? Guy? Yeah,

695
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: YEAH i Know michael saw him for what he. Was,

696
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 2: Yeah i'm pretty sure and does not believe that he

697
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 2: is the real.

698
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 3: DEAL i, MEAN i do feel like generally when we're,

699
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: TALKING i, MEAN i guess we have a bias on

700
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 3: the podcast because we're talking to people who left their groups,

701
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: entirely but accusations like that come, out or once people

702
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 3: realize that they were sexual assaulted and other people were sexual,

703
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 3: ASSAULTED i feel like usually they exit completely the belief.

704
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: System like that seems to be what we see. More

705
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: would you agree with? That with that particular, leader it

706
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: just seems like he really had such a such a

707
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: firm grasp on everyone's belief in his.

708
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 4: Power, well he'd like hijacked all of their faith in,

709
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 4: general like faith in any form was now. His and

710
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 4: if you didn't believe in, him then you have basically

711
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 4: no faith left. Anymore so there goes one aspect of your. Psyche,

712
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 4: bye flush it down the. Toilet who cares about? That,

713
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 4: YEAH i, know very hard to ask that of, People

714
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 4: and so.

715
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: It's a good.

716
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: QUESTION i don't. KNOW i WISH i knew whether people

717
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 2: continued to believe in. HIM i think they believed something

718
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: was going. ON i don't know that they care that

719
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: much once he was revealed to be a. MONSTER i,

720
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: mean use they use the word. Monster it's, like whether

721
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: you have power or, not you should be put. Away

722
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: you need to pay for your, crimes you. Know BUT

723
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 2: i would say. PROBABLY i, mean if put my hands

724
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 2: to the, FIRE i was, like, oh. OKAY i think

725
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: most people don't believe in him. Anymore he has lost

726
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: his credibility at a national, level international, Level like he's

727
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: not being invited to a mega center. Anymore let me

728
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 2: tell you that that place is. Around, still no celebrity

729
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 2: best days. Anymore, no, no, no, no, no.

730
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: Are there any like spiritual leaders on that. Level yet

731
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 3: who we like who have had no, SCANDAL.

732
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: I feel like we need to just. STOP i hope

733
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: people on, PEDESTALS i.

734
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: Know well that was one. THING i think that was

735
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: a big LESSON i, took AND i kind of say

736
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: it in the. PODCAST i was, like let's really examine

737
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: the people we give power in our society and when we,

738
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 2: do hold them to a higher standard of, Conduct, like

739
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: let's be really careful when we start calling people a

740
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: guru or a spiritual, Leader LIKE i don't, know you,

741
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: KNOW i have the luxury of saying that BECAUSE i

742
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: haven't been raised in a system where there was one.

743
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: Leader but, MAN i get nervous when you tell, me, oh,

744
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 2: this oh are our, leader you, Know i'm, like, oh

745
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: are you sure he's just a? Human?

746
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: Yeah we need lots of, leaders, right.

747
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: Lots of leaders and remember there flawed.

748
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: Right, yeah and them having special, power whether it's just

749
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 3: because they're really good at reading people and they're really

750
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 3: warm and have an energy or have you, know a mystical,

751
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: power like under any, circumstances that would never mean that

752
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: they're not capable of committing, harm, Right and exactly that's the,

753
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 3: thing like, power no, Power like we don't. Need we

754
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 3: should not have blinders on about people we hold up like.

755
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: This one THING i thought was really interesting was, that you,

756
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 3: know he got.

757
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: Sick at one, point oh, yeah and.

758
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: Was asked if he was going to see a spiritual

759
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: healer himself or heal.

760
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: Himself can can you tell us what? Happened?

761
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah he ACTUALLY i think he stomach cancer or he

762
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: got a pretty bad, disease like told he was going

763
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: to have very very little time to live like that

764
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 2: bat and he went to a really fancy hospital in

765
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: saw follow and got.

766
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 1: To a spiritual hospital my friend.

767
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: Knew and he was asked by a reporter why he

768
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: wouldn't just heal. Himself and he's, like, oh but would

769
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: you tell a barber to cut his own? Hair like,

770
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: NO i GOT i have to go see the people

771
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: who would heal. ME i mean it doesn't make. Sense

772
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: like his answer like was like, silly like, yeah maybe

773
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: he would cut his own.

774
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: Hair maybe he's a really good.

775
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: BARBER i don't, know like heal, yourself, Buddy LIKE i

776
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: don't know your.

777
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: Medium, literally, yes barbers cut their own. HAIR i think they.

778
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 5: Do, Ye so, Anyway i'm not a, barber BUT i

779
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 5: would hazard to guess they might cut their own hair and,

780
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 5: so and he would say that we're not setting out

781
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 5: to keel your cancer like it may get, healed but

782
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 5: we're working on your.

783
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: Spirit so keep seeing your, doctor keep taking your. Medications

784
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: that's the official. Line of, course we came across some

785
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 2: evidence that he he didn't say that every, time, right.

786
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: Which resulted in death.

787
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 4: Tragedy, yes, yes uh, so but nice to have and

788
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 4: smart to have, that uh that outline in the public,

789
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 4: facing you, know Domain, yeah it makes.

790
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: Sense you. Know i'm, like, YEAH i would tell you

791
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: to say that too IF i were your. Advisor.

792
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: Hypocrisy this, is in, conclusion, hypocrisy.

793
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 4: Hypocrisy fascinating story and so glad somebody got as deep

794
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 4: into it as you.

795
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 3: Did oh.

796
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 2: Thanks.

797
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 4: Yeah i've been on the fringes of this clearly for

798
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 4: a long long, time AND i saw rumblings about, it

799
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 4: BUT i never knew the.

800
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: SCALE i never knew exactly what. Happened AND i.

801
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: Mean, well you, KNOW i really want to shout out

802
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: the journalists who did incredibly deep work to get some

803
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: of these details out. There they broke, stories you, know

804
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: and these were the journalists that you will hear from

805
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 2: in the Series Christina phoebe And coming To ape and The.

806
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 2: Anthropologist we spoke With Christina roscha, LIKE i, mean they

807
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: did years of work to put this, together but like

808
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: their work really didn't come out In, english and so

809
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: when we came across the, story we're, like whoa this

810
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 2: the world needs to hear. This and they were under.

811
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: Threat their lives were, threatened they got death, Threats they

812
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 2: suffered a condition that you, know thankfully us being outside Of,

813
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: brazil hopefully don't have to deal, with you. Know so,

814
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: ANYWAY i just want to say that it takes a

815
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: village AND i am really proud and honored to be

816
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: the one to help help this get out to a wider.

817
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: Audience is the Community does it still? Exist, yeah in

818
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: a way it. Is it's not the, same it's not the,

819
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: same and we do talk about it a little. Bit,

820
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: surprisingly it kind of found its new it. Evolved BUT i.

821
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 3: WISH i could like go to sleep and wake up

822
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 3: in a thousand years and see which spiritual communities became

823
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: like the.

824
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 4: Because you know you're going to be so mad about it,

825
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 4: Too oh for, sure you, know like you're just like

826
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 4: that stupid one.

827
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: That took over the entire. World that's the biggest. Religion,

828
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: YEAH i.

829
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 2: DO i wish that now.

830
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: Too Twin flames is the world's. Religion, now what have

831
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: you learned through this?

832
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: Process?

833
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: What what are your major takeaways from speaking to these

834
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 3: people and learning these?

835
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: Stories never trust?

836
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: Anyone, yeah, OH i MEAN i learned that with your.

837
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: PODCAST i GUESS i learned that there are people going

838
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: through really intense. Things life has so much to throw at,

839
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: us and whatever you can do to make yourself strong and,

840
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 2: resilient it can be really damaging to be vulnerable and

841
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: come across the wrong person or the wrong, faith or

842
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: the wrong. Whatever that word stuck with me a. Lot

843
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: vulnerability and we're all just by virtue of being, alive we're.

844
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: Vulnerable and so how can LIKE i JUST i think a.

845
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: LOT i haven't found the, answer BUT i do think

846
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: a lot about how CAN i make myself strong in?

847
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 2: Myself how CAN i teach my daughter to be confident

848
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: in herself and her? Gut you, Know i've heard you

849
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: guys talk about this with other, survivors and just, like

850
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: how can we cultivate a sense of what that gut?

851
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 2: Is because sometimes you're, like, no, no my gut tells

852
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: me this is, right but like it's not quite your

853
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,959
Speaker 2: gut something. Else so just like arming ourselves a little

854
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 2: bit to withstand what. Life life is going to throw,

855
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: it literally all of. Us we're all going to come

856
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 2: across difficult times and just be strong enough to weather

857
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: that without letting someone some bad word here insert explosive

858
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 2: take advantage of me or my loved. Ones that's WHAT

859
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: i want to do from now on utely die And

860
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: i'm just being aware of.

861
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 4: It like When i'm super, sad someone's going to try

862
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 4: to take advantage of.

863
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 3: That, yeah you feel like a fourth of our cultiest things,

864
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 3: Are Like i'm really vulnerable to colts, today you.

865
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 4: Know so, yeah when when life comes at you and

866
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 4: there's the, diagnosis there's the, divorce there's the, whatever.

867
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: Like, heartbreak the, Depression, yeah whatever it, is it's it's gonna.

868
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: Come so it's like to pretending that we're going to

869
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 2: be impervious to it or somehow hoping that it. Won't that's,

870
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 2: silly that's. Unrealistic so how can we prepare for those

871
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: moments and weather them with some certainty of who we

872
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: are and what is more most dear to?

873
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 4: Us you?

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00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: KNOW i haven't even put words to that before until this. Moment,

875
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: so but that's that's what comes to my mind when

876
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: you said. THAT i love.

877
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 3: That, yeah and even just the awareness THAT i am

878
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 3: susceptible to. This and Because i'm susceptible to, This i'm

879
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 3: going to pay more attention THAN i would have IF

880
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: i hadn't acknowledged. THAT i feel like that alone just

881
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 3: does so much of the.

882
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: Work, Yeah and that's the preventative. Part the other, part

883
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: which really these women taught, me is to not be

884
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: afraid to, speak because many people just stayed quiet with

885
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 2: their own, pain with their own, suffering with what they

886
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: saw other people, suffer and to just once you use your,

887
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: voice that that can become, addictive like bravery becoming. Addictive

888
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 2: that idea of like they even, say you, know find

889
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 2: the people that are going to support, you but use your,

890
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: voice say what, happened speak, it go get, help get

891
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: someone to support, you and help you process that when things.

892
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: Happen i'm not really good at talking about. It LIKE

893
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 2: i think it's really hard for us to like face

894
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: our own, hardship but learning that the healthiest thing we

895
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: can do and the fastest way to get over. It

896
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: is to actually say it out.

897
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 4: Loud two friends that we already, know or a trauma

898
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 4: informed licensed.

899
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: Therapist that's a great friend to.

900
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 4: Have but, no yeah, exactly but you, know like speaking

901
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 4: about it when you're, vulnerable just making sure that nobody

902
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 4: is like a bad.

903
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: Person oh, yeah, yes.

904
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: Yes that's a whole nother that's the whole other can of.

905
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: Worms yeah, yeah but those are the Exact yeah what

906
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: AM i talking?

907
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 3: About you're talking about how when you're in a vulnerable

908
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 3: place and you're telling people your, story that can also

909
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: be a vulnerable.

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00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: Thing oh, Good thank you so much for something so.

911
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 2: Welcome thank you for asking me to go there in

912
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 2: my own heart of this. Series SO i just feel so.

913
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 2: MUCH i, LIKE i have a lot of feelings about,

914
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: it but it's such as it, Gets it gets takes

915
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: you on a. Journey BUT i. Haven't i'm still processing.

916
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 2: It SO i literally brust it in front of. You

917
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: so thank you for asking me all these questions and

918
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: caring and sharing it with your, audience BECAUSE i really

919
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 2: feel like the more people who can hear about this

920
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: and understand that this IS i, MEAN i don't want

921
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 2: to say, normal BUT i want to say it. Happens

922
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 2: let's be, aware let's open our. EYES i, mean that's

923
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: really what we're trying to do as journalists and. Storytellers

924
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: it's just, like not forget that these things are, happening

925
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: and that there's incredibly brave people who are trying to

926
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 2: keep it from. Happening.

927
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: Again all, right big thanks To martinez for coming.

928
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 3: On we love, her and y'all go listen to the

929
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 3: podcast because there are so much that we weren't able

930
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 3: to get into here for spoiler, reasons and it is

931
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 3: a really incredible.

932
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 4: LISTEN i, mean it's beyond what you could ever. Imagine

933
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 4: go give it a, listen. Please, yes we already asked

934
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 4: IF i joined this call last. Week of course the

935
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 4: answer is. Yes but to just, SUMMARIZE i was thinking

936
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 4: maybe we could go back to what we were talking

937
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 4: about earlier of just how susceptible we all are to

938
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 4: anything nefarious right, now just because the news has broken us,

939
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 4: down no matter what side are, on so completely just everything's,

940
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 4: scary everything's. Dark so, yeah just not joining anything maybe

941
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 4: right now that has a ton of promises that can't

942
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 4: really be, proven or giving anybody a lot of MONEY

943
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 4: i wouldn't do, right, Now.

944
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 3: Yeah if someone's offering some real simple answers right, now

945
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: maybe take a beat before you act or, join because,

946
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: yeah LIKE i, know for, me we talk about it

947
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 3: all the. Time but as true as ever, now certainty

948
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 3: is something that feels really comforting AND i really desire

949
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 3: it and we want that would feel so it's safer

950
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 3: to have.

951
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: That but, God i'd do, ANYTHING i.

952
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 3: Know but so it's a good time to lean on,

953
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 3: community but lean on you, know, yeah multiple communities and

954
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: not just.

955
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 2: One. Maybe.

956
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 4: Yeah the WAY i the WAY i got out of

957
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 4: it this weekend WAS i just called five different friends and,

958
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 4: like friendship communities that aren't taking your, money, yeah, exactly

959
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 4: and that you trust are in my personal, opinion the

960
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 4: only way to get out of these. Holes and if you're,

961
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 4: like BUT i don't have any, friends THEN i always

962
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 4: SAY i didn't have any friends for a very long.

963
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 4: Time join a, class join something you're interested, in totally

964
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 4: get out into community that isn't culty that you're learning,

965
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 4: something and if it does get, culty then. Leave because

966
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 4: the first CLASS i joined was a. Cult we did

967
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 4: an episode about.

968
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: It oh you, know.

969
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 3: It's just, yeah there are people out there who share

970
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 3: your interests and who you, know like connection can. Happen

971
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 3: we've talked also about how hard it is to make

972
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 3: friends as, adults but it's, possible it is.

973
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: Diuicable and it's very.

974
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 4: Needed so, yeah, yeah And i'm sure if you're LIKE

975
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 4: i have, CHILDREN i can't join a, class THEN i don't,

976
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 4: KNOW i know that's probably very unrelatable something in that fan.

977
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: Though all, right other, parents we got.

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00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 4: Options, okay thank you for listening to another episode of Trust.

979
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 4: Me we appreciate you so. Much please come again next.

980
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 4: Week rate us five, stars and as, always remember to

981
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 4: follow your, gut watch out for red, flags.

982
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 3: And never ever trust. Me this has been an exactly

983
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 3: right production hosted by Me Lola blanc.

984
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 4: And Me Megan. Elizabeth our senior producer Is Gee. Holley

985
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 4: this episode was mixed By John. Bradley our associate producer

986
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 4: Is Christina, chamberlain and our guest booker Is Patrick.

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00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 3: Kuttner our theme song was composed By holly Amber.

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00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 4: Church Trust me as executive produced By Karen Kilgareth Georgia

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00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 4: hartstark And Danielle.

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