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Speaker 1: So a couple of things. I want to start by

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Speaker 1: talking about the pay per view event. Jake Paul, the

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Speaker 1: polarizing semi boxer, certainly working hard at being one, was

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Speaker 1: going to finally fight a real fighter. Tommy Fury now

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Speaker 1: Tyson Fury, is a two time heavyweight champ from Great Britain.

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Speaker 1: Tommy Fury is more a model who can box a little.

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Speaker 1: And so let me give you a story. Years and

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Speaker 1: years and years ago, they opened up a casino in

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Speaker 1: Vegas called the Paris Right and it was a replica

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Speaker 1: of the Eiffel Tower. And so I had a friend

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Speaker 1: who's like, hey, let's let's go to I saw it

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Speaker 1: as we flew in, but he said, let's let's go

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Speaker 1: so you can see this replica of the Eiffel Tower,

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Speaker 1: and they've got a good restaurant inside. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: all right, fine, and we went and I saw it,

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Speaker 1: and I was impressed, you know, by the effort. But

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Speaker 1: once you saw the replica of the Eiffel Tower, there

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Speaker 1: was really no reason to see the replica of the

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Speaker 1: Eiffel Tower for a second time, okay. And that's sort

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Speaker 1: of how I feel with Jake Paul, is that I

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Speaker 1: thought the story was really fun, and as he was

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Speaker 1: knocking out football players and washed up UFC guys or

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Speaker 1: MMA guys, that was fun. I wanted to see him

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Speaker 1: fight a real fighter, and I did, and it wasn't

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Speaker 1: a great real fighter. It was Tommy Fury, who I'd

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Speaker 1: seen two pieces of videotape of him fighting earlier, and

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Speaker 1: he was mostly awful, and he completely controlled the fight.

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Speaker 1: He was more refined, more polished. He actually had a jab.

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Speaker 1: It was highly effective. He was confident. He really controlled

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Speaker 1: the fight. I had two rounds going to Jake Paul,

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Speaker 1: and one of them the final round because he briefly

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Speaker 1: knocked down Tommy Fury for about half a second. Nobody

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Speaker 1: ever really got hurt in the fight. But Tommy Fury's

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Speaker 1: not athletic enough or dynamic enough to be a great fighter.

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Speaker 1: His brother, right, is the two time champ. Tommy He's

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Speaker 1: just a pedestrian athlete, good looking kid, you know, great body,

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Speaker 1: but doesn't have the power or the athleticism to be

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Speaker 1: a great fighter. But he controlled the fight. And you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of really talented people out there and

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Speaker 1: there they have a two handicap. They're not close to

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Speaker 1: playing on the tour. They can go out their buddies

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Speaker 1: shoe one hunder part two hunder part. They're not close

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Speaker 1: to being on the tour. Jake Paul is a big, strong,

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Speaker 1: tough kid, hard worker, made a name for himself. I

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Speaker 1: do think it is interesting when he fights recently retired

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Speaker 1: football players or washed up mixed martial art guys. That's fun.

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Speaker 1: Can he You know, we watched an NFL player for years,

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Speaker 1: A tough guy retires, goes and fights Jake Paul. That's

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Speaker 1: interesting to me. But watching him face boxers, it's like

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Speaker 1: going to the Paris casino. All right. I saw it

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Speaker 1: is kind of fake and I'm done with it. And

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Speaker 1: so totally supported Jake Paul thought he would win the fight,

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Speaker 1: and instead the real boxer who'd fought real fighters, was

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Speaker 1: more refined, really kind of did whatever he wanted to.

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Speaker 1: He landed significantly more punches than Jake Paul did. Jake

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Speaker 1: Paul remember the baseball player Adam Dunn. If Adam Dunn

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Speaker 1: was a boxer, he would be Jake Paul would not

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Speaker 1: hit for average, swing for the fences and occasionally land

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Speaker 1: that sort of Jake Paul combinations were not great. There's

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Speaker 1: no real jab of note. Kind of outclassed, but I

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Speaker 1: love the effort. If he keeps fighting, that's fine, But

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm done buying his fights. Unless he fights

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Speaker 1: a really really popular, all pro level NFO guy that retires,

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Speaker 1: that would be interesting. Maybe. So all of us, through

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Speaker 1: the course of our journeys are experiences. It's going to

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Speaker 1: change our perspectives, right hopefully. You know, you do something

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Speaker 1: out with sea urchin salad with squid in vinegarette, and

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Speaker 1: more consistent restaurant order. She kind of goes with what

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Speaker 1: she knows. She'll like sea bass, you know, whatever it is, Bolonaise.

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Speaker 1: And my point is her mistakes or her missus, her

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Speaker 1: frustration is probably a better word, changed her perspective in habits.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I was the other day. I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: the NFL combine, And I used to try to for

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Speaker 1: years and years. I've been doing this thirty years, try

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Speaker 1: to guess if quarterbacks we're going to make it, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna bust. And over the last two years, I've really

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Speaker 1: changed my perspective on this about trying to predict what

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks are going to work. Last year's class and the

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Speaker 1: class two years ago, I think I nailed completely. I

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Speaker 1: thought Trevor Lawrence, mac Jones, Zach Wilson, Justin Fields pretty

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Speaker 1: much nailed that class. Nobody really knows about Trey Lance yet,

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Speaker 1: we really don't know. My guess is it's not going

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Speaker 1: to work, but nobody knows it's not playing. But I've

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Speaker 1: come to the conclusion after a lot of misses that

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Speaker 1: here's how I look about all these first round quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: in the last ten drafts, we've had thirty first round quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: We've only had eight stars. Eight and in most instances

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Speaker 1: the stars have landed in the right spot with an

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Speaker 1: offensive coach Deshaun Watson, with a Bill O'Brien, Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: It helps with Andy Reid is that most of the time,

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Speaker 1: ninety five of them aren't. Of the last thirty quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and eight stars. And by the way, I'm

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Speaker 1: giving Kyler Murray a star rating. He's close. And so

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Speaker 1: I've just based on so many misses, not any individual

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Speaker 1: miss But I just don't think, with very few exceptions,

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Speaker 1: any of these kids can overcome the Chicago Bears ownership

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Speaker 1: make it work. I don't think he's good enough to

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Speaker 1: It's a defensive culture. It's a hard town to be

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. In the media is tough, the weather's brutal.

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Speaker 1: You're in a division with you know, Aaron Rodgers and

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Speaker 1: some shootouts. Bears, defense sucks offenses are good in the division.

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Speaker 1: So that's how I look at this draft and the one.

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Speaker 1: None of the quarterbacks who will go in the first round.

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Speaker 1: None of them are all star stuff. None of them

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Speaker 1: if they draft a quarterback, that's the quarterback that will win.

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Speaker 1: They have a star coach, a star left tackle, a

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Speaker 1: I think Bryce Young, same situation. Anthony Richardson Florida, same situation.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a quarterback guaranteed to succeed. I

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Speaker 1: That's the spot. Whoever they get has a very high

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Speaker 1: dreams at this point. They probably think Stidham, who in

423
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Speaker 1: the one game I saw him live did look like

424
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Speaker 1: the eighth best quarterback, like he was dealing and they

425
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: came down to earth the next day. But they're they're

426
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Speaker 1: probably thinking Stidham and then go get a young guy

427
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Speaker 1: that you know they have a pretty high pick in

428
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Speaker 1: this draft. Do something them like that, which I don't

429
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: know if that's a sustainable solution if you're Josh and Battle,

430
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: but I think that would be the team building, you know,

431
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: preference from the front office. But then you know, Mark

432
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: Davis was the guy wanted Russell Wilson. Mark Davis wants

433
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: a star. He wants someone to put in that new

434
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: stadium and give them a new identity. And so I

435
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: could see Mark Davis saying, you know what, let's do that.

436
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: And you know, the owner's always got that kind of sway.

437
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's going to cost as much

438
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: as a one And simply because they are under you know,

439
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: because of the contract, if they decide, hey, we're moving on,

440
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna you know, we're parting ways, they have a

441
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: great deal of incentive to get out from under that

442
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: cap hit and Aaron knows that, and so that can

443
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: be used against them, and so, hey, I don't know

444
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: how much it's really going to take to get him

445
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: and be more important this whole Oh well, they're not

446
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: going to send him to a team in the NFC.

447
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I mean, Aaron's got leveraged in

448
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: that he can say, fine, I'm coming back, even though

449
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: we don't want to be with each other. He can

450
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: also say go ahead and cut me because you're you know,

451
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: your cap situation with this you know deal as it

452
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: currently stands is not good. And he can also you know,

453
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: force you know, figure out with the new team. Well,

454
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: they're can we change the contract of a more team friendly.

455
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: So I think Aaron's a part of this. So I

456
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: don't know for sure that he's gonna not go where

457
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: he wants. It's possible that the packers will have their way,

458
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: but it's possible he'll have leverage. And you know, with

459
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: all of that said, the Jets make a lot of

460
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: sense to me, because you know, if you're Joe Douglas

461
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: and Robert Salo at this point, with a with an

462
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: impatient owner, with an owner who essentially made you change

463
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators, and you hire the guy who has the

464
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: relationship with Aaron, you had a credible draft, You've got

465
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: a lot of pieces around you, but you're in a

466
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: very tough division. I think a lot there's a lot

467
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: of reason where you'd say, yeah, let's do anything again

468
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and put him with this team in this town. Well,

469
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: he left the columnist business for a while. He's back

470
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: at the New York Post. Four New York Times bestsellers.

471
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: The last one we spent a great deal of time

472
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Speaker 1: on was The Rise and Reign of Mike Shashevski. You

473
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: can always order that Amazon, all places you can order books.

474
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: We bring them on as often as we can, so

475
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: of the many things to talk about. You know, oftentimes

476
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: New York teams, especially in baseball. Steve Cohen has made

477
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: the Mets a bit of a villain by having a

478
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: payroll that's more than the bottom seven teams in the sport.

479
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: And the Yankees have always had that sort of image.

480
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: Although I owned the Yankees, you know, the Reggie Jackson,

481
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: Billy Martin, Yankees so vulnerable and so likable. Even as

482
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: a Seattle kid, I loved those teams. They always had

483
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: quirky characters and real personality. Despite steer, even the owner

484
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: was crazy. I find the Knicks incredibly likable. Thibodeaux is

485
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: an old school guy. Brunson got sent off by the MAVs.

486
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: They didn't understand how good he was. You know, the

487
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: Lakers ran off Julius Randall because in a world of threes,

488
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: he hits twos. And I gotta tell you, I think

489
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: they're going to knock somebody off. I like their roster.

490
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: I think they're I think they're another star away. But

491
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: ian I think if you sent them up against the

492
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: Philadelphia I don't know if they could keep pace with

493
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Speaker 1: Cleveland's offense. But kind of give me your forecast of

494
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: the Knicks as a playoff team. I agree. I actually

495
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: think the only two teams they cannot beat in these

496
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: start Boston and Milwaukee in a seven game series. I

497
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: actually think they'll push those teams the way they're playing now,

498
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: and they're getting better. They've got one of the better

499
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Speaker 1: coaches in the NBA, and Tims. As you mentioned, Brunson

500
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: is so much better than I thought he was going

501
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: to be. I now believe after watching him. I admit

502
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: it's a bit of a small sample size, but I

503
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: do think you can win a championship with him as

504
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: your second best player. I think he's not you too,

505
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: I do yep, and I don't think you can win.

506
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't think you can have a dynasty with him.

507
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: I certainly think you can pick one or two off.

508
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: And he's only what he's twenty six years old. I

509
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: think he's smart enough to know he's got a really

510
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: good thing in New York. New York City is a

511
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: place that loves point guards for whatever reason, always has

512
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: high school college in pro and yet the Knicks haven't

513
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: had one long term who was really good since Clyde Frasier.

514
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: So it's been a long time, and finally the Knicks

515
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: have a quarterback who can lead them consistently to the

516
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Speaker 1: play us and maybe on some deep runs. I think

517
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Speaker 1: they will be Cleveland in the first round if that's

518
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Speaker 1: the matchup. I wouldn't be surprised at the Knicks hurdle

519
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: of the Cavaliers and get that four seed and home

520
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: court advantage in the first round. I think they can

521
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: certainly win that series. I think there's a shot they

522
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: could upset Philly. I think where it ends is Boston Milwaukee.

523
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: Wherever that series happens in the playoffs. They'll lose that series.

524
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: But that's a really good step from where they were

525
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: last year, when it seemed like Tibbs's program was unraveling

526
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: after a really good year one. So Brunson's injections obviously key.

527
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: There is a sense around all sports there are certain

528
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: franchises where you have to overcome the owner. That's always

529
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: been a feeling with James Dolan. Give me the person

530
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: inside the organization that has orchestrated most of this, not

531
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: a player, but because Dolan has a reputation, fair or not,

532
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: who's behind the scene, who's the puppeteer, who's making these

533
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: moves in the front office, because I've always you always

534
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: hear the same four or five names. You tell me

535
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: the hierarchy. Who's the key, I think you have to

536
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: go to Leon Rose. I mean, people talk about Worldwide

537
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: West being one of the more mysterious figures in all

538
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: of basketball and his connections, but I think and listen,

539
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: Worldwide West and Leon Rose, they've been a bit of

540
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: a partnership over the years. They've made their share of mistakes, certainly,

541
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: without question. You look at forty A, you look at

542
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: Kemba Walker, and Rose actually gave Tims some players he

543
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: didn't want Reddish and they had to send out a

544
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: first round pick to get Reddish and then send out

545
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: another first round pick to get rid of them. So

546
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: they've made their share of mistakes. But Leon Rose is

547
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: the guy who made one of the best acquisitions I've

548
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: seen in New York in any sport in many years.

549
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: And Nat was Brunson. He got that done. He had

550
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Speaker 1: the relationship to get it done through the family, his

551
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: presentation as well. And so now having you said, don't

552
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Speaker 1: name a player, I think it's impossible not to name

553
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: Brunson because I think he's going to draw free agent

554
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 1: significant NBA veterans, either through a trade or free agency,

555
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: who now want to play with a point who looks

556
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: at the big picture. Now, listen, he just had thirty

557
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: points and a half against the Nets, and he finished

558
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: with thirty nine. He was not interested in, Hey, let

559
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: me try to hang fifty fifty five sixty on these guys.

560
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: He only cares about winning. He should have been an

561
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: All Star and he wasn't. And he was genuinely happy

562
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: for Julius Randall after he went through a miserable season

563
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: with the fans and everything else last year, that he

564
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: personally helped resurrect his career and make him an All

565
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: Star again. He didn't just say that. It looked to

566
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: me and a lot of people around the Knicks that

567
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: he really meant it. So his generosity of spirit, the

568
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: way he plays his body language, the way he runs

569
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: a team, I think is going to draw better players

570
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,479
Speaker 1: and put the Knicks finally in position to win a championship. Well,

571
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: it's funny Luca couldn't work with port Zingis. Port Zingis

572
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: has actually been pretty good since leaving him. Brunson's a star.

573
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: He's not winning now with Kyrie is there's a there's

574
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: a James Harden quality to Luca where he's a remarkable

575
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 1: score but a bit ball centric. And so I think

576
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: I think that it was really a catch, and I

577
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: think the Knicks deserve a lot of credit. I think

578
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: they're relatable. Um, I think they I think they really

579
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: you know, Julius Randall's a fascinating player. So I was

580
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: in like in Los Angeles when he was a Laker.

581
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 1: He comes out of Kentucky, and the league was really

582
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: Ian transitioning to a three point league. It was the

583
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: beginning of the Golden State stuff. And I can remember

584
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: having a discussion with somebody inside the Lakers and they're like,

585
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: he's going to make a really good player for somebody.

586
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: We're not sure it's the Lakers. But you know what,

587
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: I'll give Julius Randall credit for he mostly Ian knows

588
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: what he is and what he's not. He has worked

589
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: on his game. I think he's a lot better offensive

590
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: player than the league thought he was going to be.

591
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a great high school player, very good.

592
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: At Uckey. I said if I had never watched Julius Randall,

593
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, his numbers are pretty good. Describe him,

594
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: How would you describe him? He did shoot. I believe

595
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: it was forty one percent from three two years ago.

596
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: Of course, a lot of that was empty Jim's in

597
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: the pandemic, and so some people subtracted from that performance

598
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: from three point range. But I think he's a guy

599
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: who is a load offensively, and you're right, he's got

600
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: a little bit of an old school game. But I

601
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: think he's also given a lot of credit to Brunson

602
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: for bringing him back. Remember last year, he fought with

603
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: the fans, he fought with everybody. He had this great

604
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: first year with Tibbs, and how it really gave New

605
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: Yorkers a gift really during the pandemic, the fact that

606
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: the Knicks were competent again and it just playing some

607
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: winning basketball. Had been so long, I mean really for

608
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: the better part of two decades, and Knicks had been

609
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: a dysfunctional product, and so Randall I thought would never

610
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: ever have to pay for a meal or a drink

611
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: ever again in the Five Boroughs. But then last year,

612
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it all fell apart on him.

613
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: He looked like he was going to get traded. He

614
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: was going to play and complain his way out of

615
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: town and then he came back this year. He worked

616
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: out in the offseason. Brunson really helped bring him back.

617
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: And listen, remember Colin. When the Knicks signed him in

618
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen after missing out on Kevin Durant into some

619
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: degree Kyrie, they had to apologize to their fan base.

620
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: Steve Mills, then the team president apologized for the consolation

621
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: pieces that he signed because they were supposed to get

622
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant and maybe Kyrie Irving and they struck out

623
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: and lost out to the Brooklyn Nets. They get Julius Randall,

624
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: who has done a lot for the organization, will continue

625
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: to do that, and they basically had to apologize for

626
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: signing him. So he's come a long way, and I

627
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 1: think he deserves a lot of credit for the kind

628
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: of bounce back he had off of last year. So

629
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: I've said before or is that, I've always viewed the

630
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: Mars as a reasonably good ownership group, you know, mostly

631
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 1: pretty stoic. They stay out of the headlines. I don't

632
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: think they're as impulsive sometimes as the Johnson family and

633
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: the Jets or Dolan can be. I tend to think

634
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Speaker 1: they're a little methodical, you know, they gave Tom Coughlin.

635
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Speaker 1: There was a couple of years it was pretty lean

636
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: at the end, and then listen, nobody would have guessed

637
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: Coughlin out of Boston College would have been that good.

638
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: They whipped on some guys, and I my takeaway is

639
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: they see in Daniel Jones, even physically esthetically, they see

640
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: Eli and they know how long it took for Ely

641
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: and they see a really good kid from the South,

642
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: hard worker, doesn't make headlines, stays out of trouble, committed

643
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: to the process. And I think they see Brian Dable

644
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: as kind of this Tom Coughlin. It's like we found

645
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: this gem and it's a little rough around the edges,

646
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: but he's our Tom Coughlin. You know, they always say

647
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: about New York it's got its issues, but New Yorkers

648
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: those problems, those are our problems. And it's like Coughlin was,

649
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, Purple is a plumb he's screaming, but he

650
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: adapted and day Ball still feels at times he's as

651
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: emotional as a coordinator. But it works. And so I

652
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: think they are committed to Daniel Jones. I think there's limitations.

653
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: Here's the rub though, running backs getting second contracts. It's

654
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: bad business. If you pay say Quan and Daniel, you're

655
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,959
Speaker 1: gonna have sixty million bucks in the backfield. That's gonna

656
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: hamper free agency, and that defensive line's not cheap. In

657
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: Where do you go? Do you? What would you do?

658
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: What do the fans want? Because I think most New

659
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: Yorkers know you want a playoff game. Two of his

660
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: best games were against the Vikings, a horrific defense. There's

661
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: there's a ceiling here. But I think the Maras are

662
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: in on him. I think they see Eli. I really do.

663
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: That's my perception. Outside. You give me your kind of

664
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: your feeling about how the Maras. What do you do

665
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: with Daniel? What do you do with Saquan? What do

666
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: the fans want? I do think the fans want both

667
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: of them back, and it's kind of funny. Daniel Jones

668
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: he had fifteen touchdown passes this year. He did run

669
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: for seven two and that counts for something. Ran for

670
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: seven hundred yards. His athleticism is the difference maker between Eli.

671
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: Manning was the better player in the better quarterback. Daniel

672
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: is much more athletic than Eli, but he has a

673
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: lot of similarities and the things you talked about. Certainly

674
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: they were both coached by Cutcliffe. I think that to

675
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 1: see Daniel Jones asking for more than what Aaron Judge

676
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: is now making with the Yankees, who would have thought

677
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: that on Labor Day, right, that Daniel Jones, who nearly

678
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 1: was run out of town, was a couple of bad

679
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: games away from being run out of town now asking

680
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: for more than forty million dollars a year, which is

681
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: obviously what Judge got long term. So I think when

682
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: you look at the fifteen touchdown passes this year and right,

683
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: some of his limitations as a pocket passer. Wow. But

684
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: I think they'll they'll pay him thirty eight million dollars

685
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: a year because second tier quarterbacks that's what the market

686
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 1: suggests they should get. I think he'll get thirty seven,

687
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: thirty eight, maybe thirty nine. I don't think he'll get forty,

688
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: and he'll be your quarterback for the next three to

689
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: four years. I think sat Quan's more interesting because he

690
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: is you're talking about running back on a second contract.

691
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: He was number two overall, picked by a different general manager.

692
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: But he is a very good player. I actually think

693
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: Colin he's one of three players on the entire roster.

694
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: You could say could be or will be the best

695
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: in the world at what he does. Andrew Thomas, Dexter Lawrence,

696
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: and sat Quon Barkley. He's much better. Barkley is at

697
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: his position, at his job than Daniel Jones is at

698
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: his but he happens to play the wrong position the way.

699
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: Mara loves both those guys because they represent the organization

700
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: the way he wants it represented. Sa Quon Barkley is

701
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: a perfect He's like Frank Gifford. He's got the Hollywood looks.

702
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: He's a giant. He just the way he carries himself,

703
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: the way he works, and he's a great player, and

704
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: so he's just at the wrong position. I think they

705
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: can I was told by a source that during the

706
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: bye week the Giants offered him three years at twelve

707
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: million a pop. Another source told a colleague of mine,

708
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: Ryan Dunlevy, it was more twelve point five, maybe over four,

709
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: but in that twelve to twelve point five range. To me,

710
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: I'd feel comfortable with paying Saint Quon Barkley thirteen per

711
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,959
Speaker 1: in a multi year deal, and I think they'll come

712
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 1: to an agreement. He doesn't want to be tagged and

713
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: I've talked to a source close to him who said

714
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: he really really doesn't want to be tagged, so they

715
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: can do it and then still work on a long

716
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: term deal. I think both will be back. I don't

717
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: think it'll be a sixty million total, but you're talking

718
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: maybe what thirty eight for Daniel, maybe thirteen for Saquan.

719
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: It's quite an investment in your backfield. But I think

720
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: it's one that John Marrow will make so Colin, I

721
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: this morning, as I was driving around town, was listening

722
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: to your opening segment on The Herd, as I've done

723
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: many times over the course of the last ten years

724
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: or so, and you were talking about Lebron James and

725
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: you had some interesting thoughts about just where where he

726
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: fits into the Lakers long term plans with this latest injury.

727
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: So my question for you is if the Lakers end

728
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: up let's just say they get into the plan and

729
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: then they put up a good fight against Denver, but

730
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: they lose in six games, in large part because Anthony

731
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: Davis and Lebron are a little bit out of rhythm.

732
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: But you have this excuse in the back of your head,

733
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: which is they didn't have this full season with this

734
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: group you might be able to put together a more

735
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: a softer a workload for Lebron in a d next year,

736
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: and maybe it's better. Are you in a position where

737
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: you would continue with the core of these two guys

738
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: moving forward or would you look to move on at

739
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: that point? Yeah, I'd look to move on. I you know,

740
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: Lebron is such a unique player that you can argue

741
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 1: there's only been a handful of players in league history.

742
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson's another one where they've made every single teammate

743
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: in their career either better or in the Chris Bosh

744
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: Kevin Love space for Lebron, I don't know if he

745
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: made them better. He kind of asked them to sacrifice,

746
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: but he won them titles and they would not have

747
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: won titles. So every player he's played with is a

748
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: better version of themselves or they've won titles. That's very rare.

749
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: I would keep Lebron until he doesn't want to play.

750
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: Even an old Lebron will elevate others, teach others, coach others.

751
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: I think he has just such redeemable value on so

752
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: many levels. I don't feel that's the same for Anthony Davis.

753
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis is simply talented, he doesn't have a tremendous

754
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: work ethic. Although I don't think he's a bad teammate.

755
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a guy that's going to spend

756
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: his offseason tutoring. He doesn't necessarily elevate others, although he

757
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 1: does elevate your team. He's a very good defensive player,

758
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: and on his best nights, he's unstoppable. He's really a

759
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: John Calipari won a title with him. John Calipari this

760
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 1: year lost to Saint Peter's. Okay, so he ran through

761
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: the tournament with him, But I would move him. I

762
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: said this before the season, is that certain players, most

763
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: players have limitations. Once that limitation is injuries. There's certainly

764
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: an argument to be made if you look at Lebron

765
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: in a D and I don't have the number with me.

766
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: We talked about it this morning. How many games in

767
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: a row since they arrived together in Los Angeles have

768
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis and Lebron James played consecutively. The number is

769
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: shockingly low, like bizarrely low, and it's getting worse because

770
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: we prosibly getting older. So I would have moved off him.

771
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: You know, he's a commodity. You can move him, cross

772
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: your fingers. He remains healthy, they win a playoff series,

773
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: they get in, He's viable. I mean, Russell Westbrook keeps

774
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: getting teams like you can move Anthony Davis absolutely, but

775
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: I would move off him. I would continue to surround

776
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: Lebron with bigs that run the floor. Jared Vanderbilt's been terrific.

777
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: Shooters always benefit from Lebron. But Kevin Durant coming to

778
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: the West feels like he's changed the West, Like there

779
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,959
Speaker 1: were some obstacles for this Laker team the smart right now.

780
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: I feel the sunsel in the West. I really do. Yeah,

781
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: Phoenix changes the math for everybody at this point. And

782
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: the weird thing is, and this is the unfortunate thing,

783
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: And this is what I was complaining about so much

784
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: early in the season, was that this kind of felt

785
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: like the last great chance to do something in the

786
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: Western Conference if you were team that had that was

787
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: close just because of some things like you know, the

788
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: Luca Kyrie pairing. They're going to be able to address

789
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: their front court issues in the summertime. They're a complete

790
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: disaster in the front court defensively and on the glass.

791
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: You know, Phoenix, same sort of thing. They're going to

792
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: have a lot of opportunity this summer to address some

793
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: of their specific holes, you know, like Golden State and

794
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: the Lakers are kind of in this interesting position where

795
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: they were close enough to make more of an all

796
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: in move. And I feel like, specifically with the Lakers,

797
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: they were even more aggressive at the trade deadline than

798
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: I expected them to be, but they paid the price

799
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: for waiting as long as they did. And you know

800
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: what's funny, Like Shan Sharania reported today that this specific

801
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: foot injury for Lebron was one that he actually experienced

802
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: in January and him and his team had a decision

803
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: to make as to whether or not to shut him

804
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: down or to continue and play on it, and he

805
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: opted to play on it. And this is where if

806
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to make the case for giving it one

807
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: last goal around with these two guys, I would put

808
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: it based on the workload in the potential neck year

809
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: to keep that lower. So I wanted to share a

810
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: couple of pieces of data with you. So first of all,

811
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: these are this is Janis's minutes per game over the

812
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: last two season two seasons thirty two point seven. Steph

813
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: Curry over the last two seasons thirty four point five,

814
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: Nicola Yokich over the last two seasons thirty three point five.

815
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 1: Lebron James over the last two seasons thirty six point

816
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: seven minutes per game, And in addition to that, he's

817
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: had multiple extended stretches over the last two years where

818
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis has been hurt and he's had to carry

819
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: limited rosters by himself to float them in the standings,

820
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: which he did this year. By the way, the only

821
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: reason they still have a chance to make the play

822
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: in is because of the quality of basketball that Lebron

823
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: played over the course of the end of December and January.

824
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: Here in early February, he carried them to this point.

825
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: So I guess the case that I would make is

826
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm a huge believer in the Lebron Anthony Davis ceiling.

827
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: You saw what it looked like again on Sunday when

828
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: the two of those really hit the jets. They can

829
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: win rock fights, and they can win with skill, which

830
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: is such a unique capability of those two. That's why

831
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: they have the high ceiling that they have. So the

832
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: way I'd look at it is if Anthony Davis can

833
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: finish this season healthy and playing at an MVP level,

834
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: which he's got a golden opportunity here over the course

835
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: of the next few weeks without Lebron to demonstrate that.

836
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: If he demonstrates that, I look at it as next year,

837
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: you might be able to limit their minutes, keep them

838
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: both around thirty to thirty two minutes per night, sit

839
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: them out back to backs, and do all the little

840
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: things that keep the workload lower to where you don't

841
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: need them to carry as much as they've done over

842
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 1: the last two years, which I think has directly directly

843
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: led to the injuries that they've been dealing with. So

844
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: I would give it one last chance. If Anthony Davis

845
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: finishes the year healthy. But Anthony Davis could not finish

846
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 1: last year healthy. The year before that, he was awesome

847
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,439
Speaker 1: against the Suns for two games and then he broke

848
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: down again. If he breaks down again, I think then

849
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: it enters a simple like risk reward proposition where it's

850
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: foolish to plan your franchise around a star player in

851
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: his twenties who literally cannot finish the season healthy. When

852
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: we when we presented that idea in our last show,

853
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people kind of framed it as we

854
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: want to trade a D. No. No No, we believe in

855
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: what Ad can do when he's healthy. He demonstrated that

856
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: for us over the course the last few games. It's

857
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: the it's the health, that's all it is. If he

858
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 1: can't finish the season three years in a row in

859
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: his late twenties, what makes you think that's going to

860
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: get better in his thirties. That's just bad management at

861
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: that point. It's bad planning. So I would give I

862
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: would say, regardless of what happens down the stretch here,

863
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: as long as Ads healthy, I give it one more shot.

864
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: But then you know, if they break down again at

865
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: that point, then you have to start looking to move

866
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: in a different direction. You know. I was talking about

867
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: this today, like I really like Miami and close games.

868
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: I think they're I think they lead the NBA in

869
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: thirteen like one bucket wins. I don't love you know,

870
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: Bam and Jimmy, but are very good players, great coach,

871
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: great d fence, great crisis management, excellent situationally. They're kind

872
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: of the opposite of the Sixers that are docs. Not

873
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: great situationally. They're sloppy. Last night they had like twenty turnovers.

874
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: I don't trust Harden late in games, even though he's

875
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: had a good season. There are these cultures of smart people.

876
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: I think Miami is a less talented version of Golden State.

877
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: In a seven game series, they're just gonna win more possessions.

878
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: They're going to be better late in the shot clock,

879
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: Layton quarters, Layton sets. So if Golden State is one

880
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,439
Speaker 1: of those playing teams, that's my pick. I don't buy

881
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: into Denver. You know, Yokis is going to probably win

882
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: a third MVP. It's weird. There are players that I

883
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: can really like in the regular season, but I don't

884
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: trust them in the postseason. And there have been in

885
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: my lifetime watching players that I love as scores, but

886
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: I don't love them as play. Zach Levine's one, and

887
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: he's obviously he's an explosive, dynamic player. I don't think

888
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: he's a winning player. I don't think Westbrook's a winning player.

889
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: I never thought John Wall was a winning player. I

890
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: never thought Carmelo was a winning player. I just think

891
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: they're great players. I don't I don't trust Denver in

892
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: the West, and I don't trust Philly in the East.

893
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: So I think if if Lebron and ad were healthy,

894
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: I would have the two. I know Yokicho win the MVP,

895
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: but I would have two players. I would have the

896
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 1: best defensive player, I would have the best ball handler

897
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: of those three is Lebron. The best physical presence is Lebron.

898
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: The best defensive players Anthony Davis. Yokicho win the MVP.

899
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: So I think playoff basketball is about being great at

900
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: stuff Miami, great situationally, great coaching, great defensive. That stuff wins.

901
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: It's not about depth, it's not about plaques, it's not

902
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: about MVPs. The Lakers, when Adi and Lebron are healthy,

903
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: they have things they're great at. Vanderbilt just made them

904
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: a better, deeper, defensive team. So I would take the Lakers. Yeah.

905
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is Denver. Denver fans in particular

906
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: are particularly sensitive about this, and I think it's the

907
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: classic small market thing. They've been kicking everybody's ass all year.

908
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: I understand why they want a certain amount of respect

909
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. And to be clear,

910
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: I think Nikola Yoki is a good playoff player on

911
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: the offensive end of the floor. He has demonstrated that.

912
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: But you said playoffs are about what you're great at,

913
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: They're also about what you're bad at and specifically with Denver,

914
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: they have a couple of entry points on the defensive

915
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: end of the floor. With Michael Porter Junior, you can

916
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: struggle a little bit defending on the perimeter. Nikola Yoki,

917
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: when he gets out onto the perimeter, can struggle a

918
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: little bit. He's actually struggled a little bit with rim

919
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: protection this year, which has been an issue that has

920
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: risen as of late. So like the way I look

921
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: at it, like I believe Denver can win. They absolutely

922
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: have a chance. But we're sitting here and we're looking

923
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: at the bigger picture, and we're looking at Milwaukee, and

924
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: we're looking at Boston, and we're looking at Golden State.

925
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: We're looking at all these teams that we have as

926
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: other options, and would you pick the team that has

927
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 1: not won an NBA championship and has glaring entry points

928
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: on the defensive end that we've seen time and time

929
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: again in NBA history get exploited. I just don't think

930
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: they're as safe as a bet of a bet compared

931
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: to some of the other teams that we have else

932
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: around the league. I don't think that's an insult to Denver.

933
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: They're a great team. I think they can win it.

934
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: I just think that Phoenix is every bit as capable

935
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: of winning it. I think Golden State is every bit

936
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: as capable of winning it, and I still think the

937
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: Lakers and Clippers have an outside chance. On that note,

938
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the Clippers. So we've had two

939
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: games with Russell Westbrook in a Clippers jersey, and I

940
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: actually think he's been pretty solid so far. Tyler did

941
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: pay that I paid. I played Russ and crunch time

942
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: tax in the King's game when Russ lost mileage Monk

943
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: on the game time shot, and then spent the entire

944
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: overtime period as the King's just double teamed off of

945
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 1: him and just went at Kawai and Paul George everywhere

946
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: on the floor. So there have been some issues, but

947
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: I do think you've seen an obvious basketball fit that

948
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: wasn't there with the Clippers. Specifically, he's pushing the pace,

949
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: which is the thing that that team desperately needed to do.

950
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: And one of the things that's been kind of sneaky

951
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: good is they run a switching defensive scheme as opposed

952
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 1: to the Lakers that ran a lot of drop coverage

953
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: where they were asking Russ to chase guys over the

954
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: top of screens, and so in switching schemes he ends

955
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: up on bigger players a lot. And Russ is actually

956
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: one of the better switching guards that we have in

957
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: the league because he's so competitive, he takes that personally

958
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: when you try to attack him, and he's so big

959
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: and strong, and he's very good technically at fronting the post,

960
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: which is something he does a great job of in

961
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: those switches to prevent that post entry. And so he's

962
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: been a good piece for them on the defensive end.

963
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: And then one of the sneaky subplots here too is

964
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,479
Speaker 1: Kawai and Paul George actually prefer to operate off the ball.

965
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: They are like guys that are like, let me get

966
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: to my spot, let me fight for position, then you

967
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: throw it to me that you go to work. So

968
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,959
Speaker 1: there's been kind of a natural offensive synergy there. The

969
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: lineup date is a little skewed because Russ unfortunately that

970
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: first shift against Denver, the Denver starters just beat the

971
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: heck out of him. For I think they went up

972
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: twenty four to eight, which is kind of skewed the data,

973
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: But I think it's been pretty good so far. So

974
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: my question for you is, what have you thought so

975
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: far about Westbrook in a Clippers jersey? I, well, I'm

976
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: not a fan of Westbrook. I think if you can

977
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: avoid using him in situational basketball late in the quarter,

978
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: like three minutes to go, I don't want him on

979
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: the floor. But he's productive, He pushes the pace. He

980
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: gives you great minutes, he gives you great energy. I mean,

981
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: even with the Lakers, there were moments. Was at that

982
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: Celtics game. There was a big Laker game. I was watching,

983
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: and he had a tip in at the basket and

984
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: he just out of control plies it, and I'm like,

985
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: that's Westbrook in the regular season. Not everybody brings energy.

986
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: Not everybody is equally rested. You saw it last night.

987
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: The Celtics were completely flat against the Knicks. First quarter.

988
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: Tatum's awful, Brown's out, They're done. You know, it felt

989
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: like it felt like a first round of the playoffs

990
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: for New York at Madison Square. They just came out

991
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: on fire. And so I think the Clippers because Kauai,

992
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like when Kauai the offense runs

993
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: around him. I'm a believer's he's way better off ball,

994
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: and so I think I think Westbrook fits better. Lebron

995
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: is so great with the ball. Kawai's better off it,

996
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: Paul's better off it. So I think he's a better fit.

997
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: And again, twenty games left, you can get thirty minutes

998
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: a night from him. Just get him out of spaces. Um,

999
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: you know it's in football. Some guys are great in

1000
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: the red zone. So you know what I mean. There

1001
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: are third down backs, right, they're not powerbacks. It's okay.

1002
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: Most athletes are, even the good ones are situational. There's

1003
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum is usually ohways good. That's very unique. So

1004
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: I think when you keep him out of those spaces,

1005
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of depth. He's fine. But I

1006
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: think with I thought when he came to the Lakers.

1007
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: I remember saying at the time, is I think it

1008
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: can work. He can't play off ball, but Lebron and

1009
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: Nady get hurt. He'll give him thirty four minutes a night.

1010
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: And he had games. He had moments, but because of

1011
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: Lebron's ability to control the tempo and pace, he got

1012
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: in the way. I think there's going to be moments.

1013
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: He's exactly what they need. Give him the ball, let

1014
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: him burn the tempo, get up the floor. I'm a

1015
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: total believer in what you said. I think both Paul

1016
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: and Kauai are terrific in the wing off the ball.

1017
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: Whenever the offense goes through Kawai, it can be effective. Esthetically,

1018
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't look good. It feels like a struggle, like right,

1019
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: like because Kawhi is so great, it can be effective.

1020
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: It never looks good. It always looks stilted. So and

1021
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want a guy that

1022
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: plays only three out of four nights, you know, doesn't

1023
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: play black to backs. I don't want him running my offense, right,

1024
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: I'd rather have him off ball. So I think Westbrook's

1025
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: okay for them. Just keep him out of a game

1026
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: with four and a half minutes left if you're tied

1027
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: and it matters. And that's what Tyler did. They did

1028
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: not play him in crunch time against the Nuggets. Now,

1029
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: that game kind of swung ironically on Paul George, who's

1030
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: been one of their biggest issues in crunch time. He

1031
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: kind of co opted things in ot and made a

1032
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: couple of crucial mistakes early in the period, and then

1033
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: the game was over. Just like that. I agree, though,

1034
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: like Kawhile. Leonard's interesting when you get him to his spots,

1035
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: like it's like, Oh, navigate an off ball screen and

1036
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: get a switch and then dump it to him in

1037
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: the post. Against Jamal Murray, that's as high percentage of

1038
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: possession as you'll find around the league. Like, he's great

1039
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: in those situations. But when you start asking him to

1040
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: initiate offense from the perimeter with a live dribble, that's

1041
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: where things can get a little bit messier. This is

1042
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: my big concern with the Clippers called this is a

1043
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: wild stat for you. Did you know that they've lost

1044
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: thirteen out of fifteen games against the Denver Nuggets dating

1045
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: back to the bubble. That specific matchup is so in

1046
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: their head. They Nuggets in particular, are are very very

1047
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: good at beating their switching scheme by getting the bald

1048
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: of Yokis in their spots, and that it's there's a

1049
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: little bit of a mental advantage. They're kind of like

1050
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: you've seen even with Boston and Golden State, like you've

1051
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: talked about. So that that's kind of where the thing

1052
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: that severely limits the Clippers chances of getting out of

1053
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: the Western Conferences. You'll probably have to go through Denver,

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Speaker 1: and I just don't think they can win. Their best

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Speaker 1: bet is that someone like the Lakers or the Warriors

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Speaker 1: ends up getting that eight seed. It can knock the

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Speaker 1: Nuggets out before they even have to see them, But

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Speaker 1: that specific matchup is an issue for them. They just

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Speaker 1: gotta get They gotta get everything clicking at the same time.

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Speaker 1: Like right now, Kawai's peaking. You know, they're they're integrating

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Speaker 1: Russ and it's going well, but Paul George is having

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Speaker 1: some struggles and Norman Powell starting to struggle a little bit.

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Speaker 1: There's a bunch of like little pieces there that they

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Speaker 1: just can't get aligned. But they're one of those teams,

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Speaker 1: just like the Lakers, where it's like if they're healthy

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Speaker 1: and you catch them in the in the right matchup,

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Speaker 1: they're capable of beating anybody. And that's just the Western

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