Speaker 1: For me, it's I'm a really good about charger For
Speaker 1: some reason. Again, I think it's anxiety of like mostly
Speaker 1: like my kids iPads, like rinning out of juice on
Speaker 1: the plane.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I do not want to deal with that.
Speaker 1: No, so I bring I'm always have chargers, and I
Speaker 1: always have portable chargers too, like at least one or two.
Speaker 3: More more, more Better, corner, a little more better, more
Speaker 3: you start.
Speaker 4: Welcome to More Better, a podcast where we stop pretending
Speaker 4: to have it all together.
Speaker 1: And embrace the journey of becoming a little more better
Speaker 1: every day, or at least trying to.
Speaker 2: That's most of Room Marrow, and that's Stephanie Beatrice. Hey girl,
Speaker 2: what's going on? Hey girl? How you do it?
Speaker 4: Heye girl, I'm fucking freezing. The weather change amazing, Oh
Speaker 4: my god, I mean listen, Am I excited to get
Speaker 4: my little layered out that's going Yes? Am I cuzying
Speaker 4: in my apartment or my apartment, my office. Yes, I'm
Speaker 4: fucking cool. I've busted out my old school Patagonia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sweat a weather. It's sweat a weather.
Speaker 1: It's sweat a weather, and I am so excited about it.
Speaker 1: I am done with the heat.
Speaker 2: No more. Well, it is going to be eighty degrees
Speaker 2: later today, I know.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be No, We're probably gonna have like two
Speaker 1: more fucking hot heat waves before the cool finally settle.
Speaker 4: What sorry that I just yawned. I need to drink
Speaker 4: more coffee.
Speaker 2: What have you done lately? That's more better?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: What have I done lately? That is more better?
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been really stressed out the last
Speaker 1: few weeks. Oh, and you know sometimes when you get
Speaker 1: into these cycles of feeling overwhelmed and stressed out, but
Speaker 1: you just kind of keep moving. So I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be more better at like clocking. Oh, I feel overwhelmed
Speaker 1: right now. I feel really stressed out. What can I
Speaker 1: do about it in this moment instead of just like
Speaker 1: trucking through, like just trying to be more conscious, whether
Speaker 1: it's like I literally go to the bathroom and like
Speaker 1: take five deep breaths, like the kind where you like
Speaker 1: inhale for four, hold it for four, exhale for four.
Speaker 1: Sometimes even just acknowledging it and just being like what
Speaker 1: is it about?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: Oh? Look at me, I'm stressed, Yeah, look at me.
Speaker 2: I feel really stressed out.
Speaker 1: About Is it actually about anything or is it just
Speaker 1: I don't know, a reaction to my kid playing the
Speaker 1: trumpet too loud? You know, your kid lay their trumpet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and So started a band this year his school. It's
Speaker 1: a great music program, and he wanted to do the drums,
Speaker 1: but too many kids pick the drums. So we convinced
Speaker 1: the music teacher emailed all the parents, was like, hey,
Speaker 1: if you can get them excited about it the instrument.
Speaker 1: I think he just didn't want like really upset kids
Speaker 1: who couldn't play the drums. So, uh, David has a cousin, actually,
Speaker 1: Quiso Fumero, who played with like Tito Puente, and he's
Speaker 1: a trumpet player, professional trumpet player, and so we showed
Speaker 1: him some videos of Quiso, and uh got him excited
Speaker 1: about trumpet.
Speaker 2: And I regret my decision.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Your own doing, dude, that's me.
Speaker 1: It's my own doing. I think I thought that maybe
Speaker 1: he would still get the drums, but oh, he's excited
Speaker 1: about excited about that trumpet.
Speaker 2: Yep. So but you know what, he's not bad, he's not.
Speaker 1: I mean, he just started and like he's he's playing,
Speaker 1: he's actually playing some notes. It's when he just blows
Speaker 1: on it super hard and lowed to be funny that
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry to this man. Sorry to this man that
Speaker 4: you have a funny kid. What have you been doing lately?
Speaker 2: That's more better.
Speaker 4: I removed myself from the situation this morning when Roz
Speaker 4: threw something at me and then kicked me. I oh,
Speaker 4: I will say, I removed myself.
Speaker 2: She ran into her room crying.
Speaker 4: I was like, Rosaline, you know you're not allowed to
Speaker 4: do that, to throw that at me, or actually I
Speaker 4: was like ros Like I looked at her like whoa bitch?
Speaker 2: Whoa fuck?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then she ran out of the room into
Speaker 4: her bed and like put the covers over her head
Speaker 4: and I was like I sat down and I like
Speaker 4: gently touched her. I was like, hey, yeah, we don't care.
Speaker 4: We don't throw things in our house. Yeah, And I
Speaker 4: was going to continue my gentle parenting. And then she
Speaker 4: fucking nailed me in the leg with her foot and
Speaker 4: I was like Rosaline, you know, like I said her
Speaker 4: full name, and I was like, we do not and
Speaker 4: like I raised my voice like to not like I tell,
Speaker 4: but like I was scary.
Speaker 2: I was like low and scary.
Speaker 4: You know, you rose a das her I did, and
Speaker 4: it scared out of her and she cried for like,
Speaker 4: I mean I left the room. I was like, I
Speaker 4: laid it down. I left the room, yep. And uh
Speaker 4: then I steamed my shirt in anger, and I steamed
Speaker 4: another shirt. I have a steamer, guys. And then I
Speaker 4: came back like about ten minutes later, and I was
Speaker 4: really glad I left the room. But I was also
Speaker 4: glad I wasn't. My mom used to do this thing,
Speaker 4: and it's you know, we all deal with like all
Speaker 4: of our familial trauma in different ways, but like my
Speaker 4: mom used to do this thing where she would she
Speaker 4: would like close up like remove her love from the room,
Speaker 4: you know, remove herself and also remove her like and
Speaker 4: so you'd be like, I'm sorry, I upset you, and
Speaker 4: she'd be like cold dead to the world, like just
Speaker 4: like a fucking garage door had come down. And there
Speaker 4: was a moment where I felt like fucking fucked our kid.
Speaker 2: But I didn't, yeah, remain in there.
Speaker 4: I like went back in there and I was like, hey,
Speaker 4: I'm ready to talk whenever you're ready, and like, honestly,
Speaker 4: I didn't even say anything at first I just like
Speaker 4: rubbed her back a little bit, and then she like
Speaker 4: crawled into my lap and then we talked about it.
Speaker 2: That was okay, okay, It's great.
Speaker 4: Myself though, when I like when my voice like went like, here's.
Speaker 2: My not going to get into like parenting things.
Speaker 1: But my main beef with like and I think general
Speaker 1: parentsing's great and I do it somewhat with my kids,
Speaker 1: But the thing that my main beef with it is
Speaker 1: I think it often makes parents feel like they failed
Speaker 1: if they raise their voice or yell or lose control
Speaker 1: or have feelings right, and at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: that is unsustainable, that is impossible. We are also human beings.
Speaker 1: Our kids are going to be fucking dicks, especially because
Speaker 1: us we're raising them in this better, more empathetic, more
Speaker 1: connected way. They feel safer, they feel sometimes like they
Speaker 1: can do some ship and sometimes we're gonna lose it.
Speaker 1: But we are human beings and it's important for them
Speaker 1: to also see that their actions or choices have consequences
Speaker 1: in like how it makes a person fucking feel sometimes
Speaker 1: your actions have consequences, and like your actions consequences if
Speaker 1: you choose to throw your little toy at me, and
Speaker 1: then kick me in the leg, like I might get
Speaker 1: really fucking upset because I'm a person and anybody something
Speaker 1: that me.
Speaker 2: Back the fuck up.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna warn yes, like yes, bro, I'm laying it
Speaker 4: down right now, like this is I'm drawing a line
Speaker 4: in the sand, like you can't fool Like.
Speaker 2: No, you can't like that, you cannot because that's.
Speaker 4: Also the other thing is like again not not getting
Speaker 4: too deep into the parenting world because heaven forbid, but
Speaker 4: have verbid we do not like there are I mean
Speaker 4: part of me teaching her like you can't throw a
Speaker 4: shit at I mean, you can't kick kick me. Is
Speaker 4: like you can't go out there in the real world
Speaker 4: and be acting a fool because some other fool punch
Speaker 4: you in the face. Like some other fools, the other
Speaker 4: fool out in the world is not going to be
Speaker 4: like oh I need you to not understand, like they
Speaker 4: might hit you back, like you know, so I just
Speaker 4: think that it's you know, I used to feel so
Speaker 4: guilty when I would lose it. And you know, a therapist,
Speaker 4: a child therapist that I very much respect, once told
Speaker 4: me it was like you get to be a human being,
Speaker 4: Like it's okay for your kids to see you're not perfect,
Speaker 4: Like it's not very Actually.
Speaker 1: It's necessary actually, like yes, as long as you're like
Speaker 1: reconnecting and repairing after the thing that has happened, Like
Speaker 1: that's actually the most important moment.
Speaker 2: That's what.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. Like though, that's the part that
Speaker 4: my mom would like.
Speaker 2: Right right.
Speaker 1: I think most of our parents, Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: our parents knew, oh you know, to to do that
Speaker 1: like connect and repair. Yeah, And then we're all adults
Speaker 1: being like having a fucking hard time apologizing for shit
Speaker 1: and like you know, or like having I don't I'm
Speaker 1: messed up and I don't know how to talk about
Speaker 1: it now, Like how do I fix this with my friend?
Speaker 2: You know? So I think that's like the biggest thing
Speaker 2: that we're giving our kids. But like, yeah, man, I
Speaker 2: freaking are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: I got two wild ass boys. I lose my shit
Speaker 1: all the time. They fucking know how to get me
Speaker 1: to the brink. Yeah, And I try not to give.
Speaker 2: I try.
Speaker 1: I have days where I'm really good because I'm also like,
Speaker 1: don't take the bait. Don't take the bait like they're
Speaker 1: trying to do it like they're trying to get a
Speaker 1: reaction out of me.
Speaker 4: But sometimes it's also like you have to put your
Speaker 4: foot down and be like, oh, you can't stand up,
Speaker 4: Like that's not.
Speaker 2: A way, absolutely not. You know what you're doing. I'm
Speaker 2: not an idiot. I know what you're doing. You have
Speaker 2: to stop. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, you're a great mom. Thanks. Thanks.
Speaker 4: I do feel like I am the greatest mom, the
Speaker 4: number one you are.
Speaker 1: You're a great mom. We are all doing great.
Speaker 2: We are more better.
Speaker 4: What are we talking about to today, Melissa. It's totally unrelated.
Speaker 4: It's totally unrelated.
Speaker 1: Uh, we're talking about packing, getting more better at packing.
Speaker 1: And I'm excited because I feel like you are so
Speaker 1: good at packing.
Speaker 2: And I have a lot of thought better.
Speaker 1: But I know and I'm That's why I'm excited. Please
Speaker 1: please tell how you became such a good packer, because
Speaker 1: you really are such a good packer.
Speaker 2: When you went to Europe? Was that the past summer.
Speaker 1: Last year to Italy? Maybe it was last year, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was Italy trip. I remember texting or calling with
Speaker 1: you while you were packing, and you were showing you
Speaker 1: pictures of what you were packing, and it was so
Speaker 1: thoughtfully laid out. I was like, God, damn it, I
Speaker 1: need to learn how to do that.
Speaker 4: I mean, so to start, I would say, like I
Speaker 4: don't consider myself like a good packer.
Speaker 2: I will say that I enjoy the process of.
Speaker 4: Like I don't enjoy the leaving it to last minute
Speaker 4: and being like fuck, because like it's actually quite a
Speaker 4: big job to condense your wardrobe down to like don't
Speaker 4: underestimate it, right, Like it is quite a big deal
Speaker 4: to condense your wardrobe down to like a trip of
Speaker 4: like yeah.
Speaker 2: What you need, what you'll use, and.
Speaker 4: We can discuss, you know, the benefits. And like I
Speaker 4: hate checking bags. Sometimes I have to do it, but
Speaker 4: I really loathe doing it because it just makes me
Speaker 4: like nervous. It's like all fee into my anxious energy
Speaker 4: of I don't want to I don't want to lose
Speaker 4: the stuff that I am traveling with, especially if it's
Speaker 4: like for press or something like that, where like I
Speaker 4: have to show up and look, you know, represent like I.
Speaker 1: Represent the show you that because like especially for work
Speaker 1: stuff or like whenever you have to bring like a
Speaker 1: lot of makeup or hair products, like like how you
Speaker 1: have to check a bag, Well you.
Speaker 4: Do, and you don't like I always want so okay,
Speaker 4: so okay, I think for work stuff. Okay, this is
Speaker 4: such a big thought. But okay, let me give you
Speaker 4: this this example of like I used to be an overpacker.
Speaker 4: I would be like I need this, and I need
Speaker 4: this and I need this, and I would just like
Speaker 4: start throwing stuff in the suitcase and and like making
Speaker 4: up outfits in my mind and being like, oh, that'll
Speaker 4: look good, that'll look good, right, and then you're traveling
Speaker 4: with this ginormous suitcase. The first time I realized that
Speaker 4: this was a huge mistake was a trip that I
Speaker 4: took to Paris and luckily there was an elevator, but
Speaker 4: like getting the giant suitcase like out of the out
Speaker 4: of the airport into the train. I think I took
Speaker 4: the train to the airbnb that I was staying at,
Speaker 4: getting it up into the airbnb, getting it down. Then
Speaker 4: I took one of those like uh train, those fast
Speaker 4: trains to London or maybe it was vice versa nightmare
Speaker 4: nightmare struggling with this giant bag, like lifting it up
Speaker 4: onto the nightmare, total nightmare.
Speaker 2: I was like, something has to something has to change, right, So.
Speaker 4: To me, the perfect trip packing is a small carry
Speaker 4: on suitcase and a small not too heavy personal item, right,
Speaker 4: and I usually go for like a tote. I know
Speaker 4: people like backpacks, but like you, I can never. I
Speaker 4: can never ruin the line of my jacket or coat.
Speaker 4: Absolutely not, absolutely not. I like having everything. So like,
Speaker 4: let's say I'm going on a work trip, right, like,
Speaker 4: and I know I have to do press. I pack
Speaker 4: the press outfit in the carry on because that way
Speaker 4: I know I have it. Because that's the most stressful
Speaker 4: situation that I'm going to be in, and I know
Speaker 4: that I have it on me. I take all the
Speaker 4: jewelry and put it in my personal item. I've got
Speaker 4: everything with me. I'm not checking a bag and then
Speaker 4: going and then arriving in New York and being like fuck,
Speaker 4: I have to like shop for an outfit tonight because
Speaker 4: my bag didn't show up.
Speaker 2: That's a night, oh god night, man's yeah.
Speaker 4: A hell escape, right, But what I do know is
Speaker 4: that I'm probably gonna get hair and makeup done, so
Speaker 4: like I don't need to bring any of that stuff.
Speaker 4: Like how much makeup do I wear on a regular
Speaker 4: basis not very much, So like I pair that way
Speaker 4: way down. I caan't all my stuff into travel containers.
Speaker 4: Like or if I'm lucky enough to stay at a
Speaker 4: nice hotel, I don't even bring like shampoo and conditioner
Speaker 4: because I know that they'll have it at the hotel.
Speaker 4: There's like these little things that I have picked up.
Speaker 4: I have a tiny straightener. It's like this big instead
Speaker 4: of like a giant string. I definitely wear my biggest
Speaker 4: pair of shoes. So like that trip that we took
Speaker 4: to Austin that time, I wore my cowboy boots on
Speaker 4: the plane because I knew I was gonna want to
Speaker 4: wear them while I was there, so I wore them
Speaker 4: on the plane so that I didn't have all that
Speaker 4: space taken up in my bag. Also, the plane outfit
Speaker 4: is a whole nother thing, right, So we talk about
Speaker 4: outfits in the moment.
Speaker 2: But I feel like I use packing cubes.
Speaker 4: I do, but I don't swear by them. I think
Speaker 4: they're useful, But to me, I don't feel like you
Speaker 4: have to buy things to be a good packer. Like
Speaker 4: the internet will tell you like you need these ten
Speaker 4: things or whatever. There was an article in here like
Speaker 4: that's like travel and Leisure. I'm a professional packer. These
Speaker 4: are twelve genius hats for making your carry on bag lighter.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, if you have extra money to spend,
Speaker 4: you could do that, but like sometimes people don't write,
Speaker 4: Like I buy a set of packing cubes and like
Speaker 4: sometimes I use them, but I don't always use all
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got the kind that have like the second zipper,
Speaker 1: so it can like compress.
Speaker 2: But do you compress your shit? Yeah? No, I don't
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 4: Why, Like I've tried, but it's like, well, that's the
Speaker 4: whole point of the packing cube is like you put
Speaker 4: stuff in it and then it's tidy, So like why
Speaker 4: would I like then try to compress it down and like.
Speaker 2: Because then it gives you like a little more space.
Speaker 4: Not really though, like it's incremental like increment, Like what
Speaker 4: are you going to fit in like that space?
Speaker 2: Like a pair of socks and underwear?
Speaker 1: I mean no, I feel like I fit like like
Speaker 1: a jacket, like a like a couple of jackets over
Speaker 1: my packing cubes because they were like pressed down and
Speaker 1: like it gave me space on top to like lay
Speaker 1: a few more things.
Speaker 2: Why are you traveling with so many jackets? Where are
Speaker 2: you going? Listen? I have anxiety? Okay, this is the problem.
Speaker 2: Here's the problem.
Speaker 1: Your anxiety is the problem. My anxiety is the problem.
Speaker 1: I think I've become slightly and well here's what I'm
Speaker 1: inconsistent with my overpacking or underpacking. I do both, Like
Speaker 1: my anxiety causes me to do both. Like I will
Speaker 1: overpack for a trip and then be like, great, there
Speaker 1: was literally six shirts that I didn't was that I
Speaker 1: did not need to bring. And then the next trip
Speaker 1: I'll underpack and be like, I'm fucking cold. Why didn't
Speaker 1: I break?
Speaker 2: Why didn't I bring? Or like a jacket? Like what's
Speaker 2: wrong with me?
Speaker 4: More? Better?
Speaker 3: More better?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Tell me your approach to outfits when you pack?
Speaker 2: What first of all? Start with? Like what you're gonna
Speaker 2: do while you're there?
Speaker 4: I always write down a list, and now I do
Speaker 4: it in my notes app, but like I write down
Speaker 4: a list of like okay, so like literally I'm going
Speaker 4: to use this trip that is coming up to give
Speaker 4: you an example of this greatest Paris. We're going to
Speaker 4: Paris for Lady Gaga because I'm insane and I love
Speaker 4: her so much. Oh my god, Now everyone's going to
Speaker 4: know where I'm am. But it's okay, Am I gonna
Speaker 4: tell you where I'm staying. So we depart the evening.
Speaker 4: We're flying overnight because Paris is a look flight away
Speaker 4: from La First we're taking a day trip out to
Speaker 4: Cole Maar and I believe Strausburg. Then Saturday we have
Speaker 4: free and then Monday we return. So like what am
Speaker 4: I doing on each of those days? And like what
Speaker 4: I wrote down is like I want to go to
Speaker 4: the Christmas market at the Tuileries Garden and have a
Speaker 4: drink at a cocktail bar. Then the next day I
Speaker 4: want to go and think I said, I want to
Speaker 4: go do like some shopping and wandering, and then we
Speaker 4: have the Gaga show that night. So like, already I'm
Speaker 4: like narrowing down what I'm doing each day, right, So
Speaker 4: then then once you start narrowing down where you're going
Speaker 4: to be, it's like, well, then what shoes.
Speaker 2: Are appropriate for these things? Yeah?
Speaker 4: What outfits are appropriate for these things? Like, well, I
Speaker 4: want to dress up for Gaga?
Speaker 2: Cool?
Speaker 4: So you want to dress up for Gaga. You don't
Speaker 4: want to wear your white sneakers for Gaga, right, your
Speaker 4: little white brook sneakers. You don't want to wear your
Speaker 4: book sneakers for Gaga?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: So then you don't need to bring the brook sneakers. Actually, oh,
Speaker 4: but what if I want to work out? Oh, you've
Speaker 4: never worked out barefoot, You've never done yoga, you've never
Speaker 4: done like pilates in your room. Like what's your problem?
Speaker 4: Like why you need to bring the fair sneakers? Well,
Speaker 4: what if it rains? Like what if you're walking around
Speaker 4: the city, then wear your solomons, Like your solomons are waterproof,
Speaker 4: but your solomons aren't cute with every outfit? Too bad
Speaker 4: about it? Like, what do you want to do? You
Speaker 4: want to bring a pair of boots? Okay, then bring
Speaker 4: a pair of boots. But like, if you're gonna bring
Speaker 4: a pair of boots, you have to.
Speaker 2: Wear those boots on the plane.
Speaker 4: You also have to wear those boots to Gaga, and
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to wear those.
Speaker 2: Boots to cole Maar. So, like, which pair of boots
Speaker 2: are you bringing?
Speaker 4: Are they waterproof? Like really waterproof? Or would you rather
Speaker 4: just bring your solomons and like build outfits around yourself
Speaker 4: so you kind of start with the shoes. I try
Speaker 4: to start with the shoes because they take up so
Speaker 4: much space. And then also if you're traveling somewhere cold.
Speaker 4: I want to also start with the jacket because like,
Speaker 4: and now here's here's where it's going to get tricky
Speaker 4: for Paris, because what I want to do is bring
Speaker 4: my leather cool black trench coat that's like vintage that
Speaker 4: I bought the last time I'm there.
Speaker 2: I was there. Oh, but I can't pack that trench coat.
Speaker 4: So I could pack it in a checked bag, but
Speaker 4: then I'm risking losing it. Yeah, I could wear it
Speaker 4: on the plane, or I could pack it in my
Speaker 4: carry on. If I pack it in my carry on,
Speaker 4: it's going to be too crowded in there. So I
Speaker 4: could wear it on a plane. No, that's stupid, right,
Speaker 4: You never want to pack a jacket.
Speaker 2: In your like a big jacket.
Speaker 4: That's a terrible idea, right, So then I have to
Speaker 4: wear it on the plane or pack it in the
Speaker 4: checked pluggage. But if I wear it on the plane,
Speaker 4: that means that that's probably my only jacket that I'm bringing,
Speaker 4: unless I pack one in the unless I check one
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 2: So it's like then it gets tricky.
Speaker 4: It's like, because you want to wear your heaviest jacket
Speaker 4: onto the plane if you want to.
Speaker 2: Like and you want a layer for the plane.
Speaker 4: Also, like you want to wear like cute totally, I
Speaker 4: never wear I'm not a fan of I get.
Speaker 2: Hot and cold on every plane.
Speaker 4: Also, like, if you're gonna wear sweatpants on the plane,
Speaker 4: like cool, but they need to be sweatpants either that
Speaker 4: you're going to sleep in for the rest of your
Speaker 4: trip or that you are comfortable wearing out, Like you
Speaker 4: need to style those sweatpants to the nines because why
Speaker 4: are you wearing pants?
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, wait, here's my here's my problem. Though.
Speaker 1: If I'm wearing sweats on the plane and it's a
Speaker 1: long ass plane flight like that, I feel like, are
Speaker 1: you getting them laundered like when you arrive you.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that's great, that's gross.
Speaker 1: Like anything you wear on a plane, I feel like
Speaker 1: not wearing again and thus it gets warm.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'll wear like jeans again unless it's
Speaker 2: like jeans.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I war my jeans a million times, right, So
Speaker 4: like to me, I don't yeah.
Speaker 2: To me, I'll like either wear.
Speaker 4: I'll either wear like black sweats that are like a
Speaker 4: little bit chicer, that have like an interesting shape or something.
Speaker 2: I'll wear those on the plane.
Speaker 4: Because I can wear those like I can like make
Speaker 4: them look like an outfit. Or I'll wear hard pants,
Speaker 4: hard pants, jeans, pants, whatever that I can wear again
Speaker 4: on the trip. Yeah, or for a long haul flight,
Speaker 4: I'll wear hard pants, and then I'll just bring like
Speaker 4: a tiny pair of leggings in my carry on so
Speaker 4: I can just whip them out and change. Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: my favorite thing to do because like then you're super comfy.
Speaker 4: You sleep in your leggings and then you can change
Speaker 4: back into the hardpants when you arrive. If you have to,
Speaker 4: like check in your hotel and then go somewhere, that's
Speaker 4: a smart Yeah. I love to bring, but they have
Speaker 4: to be thin leggings. You don't want a pair of
Speaker 4: sweatpants in your.
Speaker 2: Carry on, right like that?
Speaker 4: Or no, no, yeah, something you can roll up real tiny, yeah,
Speaker 4: tiny tiny. I feel also that I one of the
Speaker 4: things that I really enjoy, and this might be part
Speaker 4: of why you don't always feel like you've succeeded when
Speaker 4: you pack, is that you have to try on outfits.
Speaker 2: You have to.
Speaker 4: You have to give yourself a little time to try
Speaker 4: on outfits because the outfits in your head sometimes are
Speaker 4: not they not hitting.
Speaker 2: They're not hitting you know what you're so right.
Speaker 1: I did that for when we went to New York
Speaker 1: and we went for a long weekend, and you're right,
Speaker 1: And I actually didn't even realize, but I kind of
Speaker 1: did what you were just describing because I knew we
Speaker 1: were going to be walking all day. We're doing statch
Speaker 1: of Liberty this day, We're going up to Harlem this day,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I knew it was going to be hot,
Speaker 1: and I did. And my friend came over and I
Speaker 1: did try on outfits and she helped me put together.
Speaker 2: And I think I packed one.
Speaker 1: Extra outfit that I didn't end up wearing, but it
Speaker 1: was like in case we go back to the hotel
Speaker 1: and shower and then like go to dinner, so I
Speaker 1: had a spare outfit in there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I wore all my outfits and they all.
Speaker 1: Like worked like little skirts with sneakers, and it looked
Speaker 1: cute and it was way less. It was the first
Speaker 1: time I did that for a trip because it was
Speaker 1: a short trip and we were going to do all
Speaker 1: carry ons. We're going to do a carry on for
Speaker 1: the kids, carry on for me, carry on for David,
Speaker 1: and because usually we do like the one big checked
Speaker 1: bag for everybody, like when we go to Florida in
Speaker 1: the summer to see family and stuff. It's just easier
Speaker 1: to have just like one big bag with us. Although
Speaker 1: actually no, I take that back. This past summer we
Speaker 1: did the three carry ons again because the boys need
Speaker 1: a lot less stuff now because they're bigger, they don't
Speaker 1: need as many extra outfits or like, you know, they're
Speaker 1: not like throwing up at random or pooping their pants
Speaker 1: or spilling shit on themselves as much. I still will
Speaker 1: like throw an extra T shirt in a in like
Speaker 1: a like a tope bat or like or one of
Speaker 1: their backpacks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just in case, Like, especially for the little one.
Speaker 1: You know, God forbid, he spills water on his shirt
Speaker 1: and you're in a fucking you know, saga of your trip.
Speaker 1: It's wet shirt. It's wet, it'll dry, but it's so wet,
Speaker 1: like and then you just you know, the path of
Speaker 1: least resistance is to change their shirts so that everyone
Speaker 1: on a plane hear them. Yeah, have a meltdown about being.
Speaker 2: Wet the one time. So I have this rule.
Speaker 4: When ros was little, I was like, we always need
Speaker 4: to pack her an extra outfit in her when she
Speaker 4: was a baby in her Oh, that's.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, before the age of four, you have to
Speaker 1: have an extra outfit, at least one or two.
Speaker 4: But also you need an extra outfit for the parent
Speaker 4: for yourself. Yeah, because and like that is that super
Speaker 4: thin leggings and an extra sweatshirt or an extra T
Speaker 4: shirt or a long sleeve shirt something. And Brad resisted
Speaker 4: it so much because he was like, I'm mister lightpacker.
Speaker 2: This motherfucker we went to we were.
Speaker 4: In London, we went to sketch and it was like,
Speaker 4: you know, I think this goes along with packing, because
Speaker 4: it's like when you have a baby, you're packing for
Speaker 4: the day, You're like leaving your house and you've got
Speaker 4: the diaper bag.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: She had a blowout in the middle of this beautiful
Speaker 4: tea room. He took her to the bathroom. She he
Speaker 4: he was like, he was freaking out, and I had shoved,
Speaker 4: against his wishes, shoved an extra outfit in there, and
Speaker 4: thank god I did. And then another time on a flight,
Speaker 4: it was because he got shit on him. He got
Speaker 4: baby shit on him. Well not that time, but she
Speaker 4: peed all over him in the middle of a flight. Uh,
Speaker 4: And he didn't have an extra outfit, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's a shame.
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, I didn't mean if one. I wasn't
Speaker 2: like trying to.
Speaker 4: Be snuff smug about it, but.
Speaker 2: But like how could you not?
Speaker 4: You were like it was I was also like, it's
Speaker 4: just like just throw another T shirt in there, like
Speaker 4: just throw another pair of pants in their bud like
Speaker 4: you gotta yep please.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, yeah, you never know. Kids are a different story.
Speaker 2: Though it's a different Kids are a different story.
Speaker 4: If you're traveling by yourself, you have a lot more freedom,
Speaker 4: right like if you're traveling for this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Little like I think trying on stuff is so helpful.
Speaker 4: Having a color palette is really helpful too, Like oh
Speaker 4: so that everything well, like so you can mix and
Speaker 4: match a little bit, like yeah, do you do like
Speaker 4: more tops and like a few bottoms or yeah, I
Speaker 4: try to keep it to Like I mean, I think
Speaker 4: that the time because I feel like I remember that
Speaker 4: from your Italy trip you were like I've got these
Speaker 4: great shorts and then you go great with this topic
Speaker 4: and this topic and I'm bringing this skirt and like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was like, ooh, she's so smart.
Speaker 4: I brought too many dresses in Italy because I had
Speaker 4: this like fantasy of being like, I'm in Italy and
Speaker 4: I'm wearing these beautiful dresses. I could have brought one dress, okay,
Speaker 4: because there were a couple of days where it was
Speaker 4: colder than I thought it was gonna be. Checking the
Speaker 4: weather obviously, is always your best friend.
Speaker 2: More better?
Speaker 1: Is there anything that you always forget or like things
Speaker 1: that you stupid charger.
Speaker 2: I'd like have the charger down, pat the freaking toilet trees.
Speaker 2: I do in the morning before I leave.
Speaker 4: I make a little list, but I have to put
Speaker 4: a post it on my fucking bag that says get
Speaker 4: your charger, because there have been so many times when
Speaker 4: I land and I'm like or I'm in the plane
Speaker 4: and I'm I'm in the airport and I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 4: my batteries on X amount or whatever, and I'm looking
Speaker 4: around in my bag and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, I fucking forgot to pack my charger for me.
Speaker 1: It's I'm really good about charger.
Speaker 2: For some reason.
Speaker 1: Again, I think it's anxiety of like mostly like my
Speaker 1: kids iPads like riding out of juice on the plane.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I do not want to deal with that.
Speaker 2: Uh So, I bring.
Speaker 1: I'm always have chargers, and I always have portable chargers too,
Speaker 1: like at least one or two.
Speaker 2: And but for me, it's toothbrush. I can't tell you
Speaker 2: how many.
Speaker 1: Times I have forgotten my toothbrush, my children's toothbrushes, and.
Speaker 2: The kids.
Speaker 1: One really sucks because when you get a toothbrush from
Speaker 1: the front desk, even at Disney, because I forgot them
Speaker 1: at No.
Speaker 2: They're booty. They're always booty. They're booty.
Speaker 1: But they're also giving you like minty toothpaste that my
Speaker 1: kids are not really like, They're still like there, their
Speaker 1: toothpaste is a little bit minty, but it's mostly like fruity,
Speaker 1: Like it's fruity flavors, like it's those like kid flavors
Speaker 1: and so mint toothpaste to them, they're like a so spicy.
Speaker 2: Like every time I'm like, god, I put the tidiest bit. Okay,
Speaker 2: So this is it's so strong. This is the post
Speaker 2: it is very helpful. The post it on the bag
Speaker 2: is very helpful. That's a great idea.
Speaker 4: It's really it's every time, like I'm going to bed
Speaker 4: the night before, I'm like, what are the last couple
Speaker 4: of things that I need to remember like my past.
Speaker 1: Yes, I try to make a morning of list of
Speaker 1: like all the last minute things that we have to
Speaker 1: grab in the morning. Yeah, that David and I can
Speaker 1: both look at. That's always like toothbrushes, chargers like yeah,
Speaker 1: your glasses like whatever.
Speaker 4: Also like there, So I have a basket underneath my vanity,
Speaker 4: like in the bathroom, and the basket is just full
Speaker 4: of and it's pretty organized, although I probably need to
Speaker 4: go through it. It's full of like travel sizes of
Speaker 4: everything you could ever want. There's travel size dental floss.
Speaker 4: There's travel sized toothpaste, there's travel size there's a travel
Speaker 4: sized first aid kit.
Speaker 2: There's like everything, lotions, potions, boop it up up.
Speaker 4: It's all in there. And so like before I go
Speaker 4: on a trip, when I'm packing my toilet tries, a
Speaker 4: lot of times I'll just swap out something because it's
Speaker 4: usually only like what I'm leaving for five days, maybe
Speaker 4: maybe seven. Yeah, the skin stuff is the stuff that
Speaker 4: I find the most important. But like toothpaste, Like, I've
Speaker 4: got a ton of little travel toothpastes that I could
Speaker 4: use me too. Yeah, totally, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Skincare can be tricky depending on the length of the trip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and hair care ada I'm going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I struggle more the skincare I kind of I'll do.
Speaker 1: I'll bring like a simpler version of whatever I do.
Speaker 1: And I'll usually bring, uh at least what because I
Speaker 1: have really dry skin. And so if I'm going anywhere
Speaker 1: cold or like if I or if maybe it's going
Speaker 1: to be hot but the air conditioning might be intense,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely bringing like a heavier moisturizer just.
Speaker 2: In case, and a lighter one.
Speaker 1: But then I may be like bringing one I'm not bringing,
Speaker 1: like too serrup. I'm bringing, you know, the one I
Speaker 1: like the most, like an SPI of course.
Speaker 2: And pimple patches.
Speaker 4: Always, always I always throw a thing of pimple patches
Speaker 4: in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they take up no room.
Speaker 1: But hair care is hard because as great as like,
Speaker 1: I love the travel section of Alta Beauty, like every
Speaker 1: Alta Beauty has a great small travel size of like
Speaker 1: so many products. But yeah, but hair is tough because
Speaker 1: if I'm going somewhere where I'm gonna like wear my
Speaker 1: hair wavy, I guess I could do like those little bottles.
Speaker 1: That's usually what I end up doing, like putting my
Speaker 1: favorite products in like a little travel bottle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for Christmas, i'mone to ask for a set of
Speaker 4: those Cadence Have you seen those?
Speaker 2: No, they're little capsules.
Speaker 4: They're I think it's the company is called Cadence, and
Speaker 4: they're spillproof.
Speaker 2: They're little.
Speaker 4: They're almost like little jars and you can fill them
Speaker 4: up with any kind of product and that way you're
Speaker 4: not like sometimes with those shitty travel bottles there's like
Speaker 4: wasted product at the bottom because you can't get it out.
Speaker 1: Yes, you can't get So these are like jars. So
Speaker 1: a lot of them are too big.
Speaker 2: Most of them are at big. They're too big. I
Speaker 2: need half the size of this.
Speaker 1: It's just for some frickin' hair lotion that I'm to use,
Speaker 1: like a tiny bit about you know.
Speaker 4: So the Cadence ones are stackable, they're magnetic. And this
Speaker 4: is not an AD, not an AD, but if anyone
Speaker 4: but if they want to, if they want to send
Speaker 4: us free ship, they want to send to Will.
Speaker 2: But they look cool as hell and you.
Speaker 4: Can just like pump your normal stuff in there and
Speaker 4: the label what I do because like that toilet tries
Speaker 4: take up a lot of space. And also if you're
Speaker 4: carrying on. You can only do three point four ounces
Speaker 4: per right, thing right, and so like, yeah, you should.
Speaker 4: You should just decant your you have to decant everything.
Speaker 4: I'm such a big believer. It's like you have to
Speaker 4: do it. You just bite the bullet into it or
Speaker 4: buy the travel sizes because like otherwise you're taking a
Speaker 4: valuable space or checking a bag based on like hair care.
Speaker 2: Come on, like, you don't need to do that. You
Speaker 2: know I have done that. I have done that. You
Speaker 2: don't need to do that. Girl, you don't need to
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 3: Ever.
Speaker 2: Again, I don't need to do that. Time is past.
Speaker 2: Do you unpack when you get there? Or do you
Speaker 2: live out of your seat?
Speaker 3: Us?
Speaker 2: Like, how do you you? You unpacked? I do too.
Speaker 1: I let yes, I used to do out of my
Speaker 1: suitcase and we kind of do that, like, you know,
Speaker 1: when we travel to Florida, we're staying with our parents
Speaker 1: and there's maybe like one or two empty drawers for
Speaker 1: us and like a few hangers. I try to do
Speaker 1: my best because it is so much easier to like
Speaker 1: close up the suitcase.
Speaker 2: But that's the only place that we like live out
Speaker 2: of our suitcase a little bit. It's not my preference.
Speaker 1: But if I'm in a hotel, the first thing I do,
Speaker 1: or at Airbnb or anything like that, first thing I
Speaker 1: do is completely unpacked. Put a drawer for the kids,
Speaker 1: put a drawer for me, you know, hang whatever me too,
Speaker 1: And I don't know it just I mean, repacking sucks
Speaker 1: a little bit, but we have this, like you know,
Speaker 1: what we do for repacking.
Speaker 2: At the end of a trip.
Speaker 1: We'll make like all our dirty like when we went
Speaker 1: to New York and we're staying in this hotel room
Speaker 1: that was not a bad size actually for New York.
Speaker 1: We will usually at the end use one of our
Speaker 1: carry ons for all the dirty clothes. Smart so like
Speaker 1: all the dirty clothes whatever just literally gets thrown in
Speaker 1: in a pile. It's not even fall, you know, and
Speaker 1: whatever shoes maybe shit we bought. It's like one junk
Speaker 1: suitcase basically nice.
Speaker 2: And then we'll use.
Speaker 1: The other suitcase to put whatever clean clothes or whatever
Speaker 1: things we bought, you know, like more neatly and uh.
Speaker 2: And that's just some kind of work.
Speaker 1: So then when we get home, it's nice because you
Speaker 1: just take that one carry on, you just take it
Speaker 1: over your washing machine and throw everything in and like
Speaker 1: you know, do your laundry.
Speaker 2: As soon as you have them. I did something similar
Speaker 2: and it came up with that. I like that.
Speaker 4: I like usually it'll be either one of the extra
Speaker 4: like one of the packing cubes, or sometimes certain suitcases
Speaker 4: will have like a little laundry bag in there, or
Speaker 4: if you're staying at a hotel, they'll provide like, oh,
Speaker 4: like if you want to get your laundry done at
Speaker 4: the hotel, they'll provide like, yeah, we'll use those bags.
Speaker 4: Ye'll use that and put all my dirty laundry in there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because like I don't want that stuff stinking up everything else.
Speaker 4: I will say, Yeah. One of my tricks for travel
Speaker 4: is like taking stuff. If I'm gonna wash it, it
Speaker 4: needs to be like a quick dry kind of thing
Speaker 4: like that I can just hang and it's gonna be
Speaker 4: dry like probably the next day. Like so a lot
Speaker 4: of like T shirts or tank tops that I take
Speaker 4: for like layering stuff, I can just wash them in
Speaker 4: the sink and then'net's amazing on.
Speaker 1: Like you know, wait, yeah, aren't there like these really
Speaker 1: cool little like uh, are they like the laundry sheets or.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's tiny little soap things that are like paper
Speaker 4: there's little packets, little packet bags that you can buy.
Speaker 4: I did have one of those explode ones, so I
Speaker 4: would say, if you're gonna use a liquid one, put
Speaker 4: them in a ziploc bag before you put them in
Speaker 4: your suitcase, because one of mine exploded in my toiletry
Speaker 4: case and I was like, what the fuck is this
Speaker 4: and then I realized it was my laundry detertion. But
Speaker 4: I've done that multiple times, and it's great because like
Speaker 4: you just washed like a couple pairs of underwear and
Speaker 4: like a couple tank tops or a T shirt in
Speaker 4: the sink, and then you hang it to dry and boom,
Speaker 4: you have a clean outfit.
Speaker 2: Again, it's great.
Speaker 1: Or like workout clothes, like I don't want to bring
Speaker 1: four different sports bras and like four leggings fucking smart,
Speaker 1: because workout clothes are always the bait of my existence.
Speaker 1: If I am going somewhere and I know there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a good gym or whatever, and I want to
Speaker 1: like work out.
Speaker 2: But then you're like annoyed that these.
Speaker 1: Like workout clothes are taking up so much space in
Speaker 1: my fucking bag.
Speaker 2: So my trick for that is two pairs of leggings.
Speaker 2: Two sports bras.
Speaker 4: If I'm gonna wear a shirt over it, it needs
Speaker 4: to be a shirt that can double with something else.
Speaker 4: Like normally I would never do that, but I'm on
Speaker 4: a trip, so it's like a special rule. Like I
Speaker 4: can wear this T shirt down to the gym and
Speaker 4: like maybe take it off before I get too sweaty. Okay,
Speaker 4: socks need to be I have to be able to
Speaker 4: wear them somewhere else like these. This pair of socks
Speaker 4: cannot just be like a workout sock, Like it has
Speaker 4: to be a workout sock and I can also wear
Speaker 4: to like some other thing. Everything has to do double duty,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And the same with the sneakers, Like if you are
Speaker 1: going to be like in a hotel gym.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I'm working out of my Solomon.
Speaker 1: Barefoot, but sometimes I don't want to always be barefoot.
Speaker 4: And I'm going to work out of my solemn. I
Speaker 4: worked out on my Solomon's, I worked out in my Converse. Okay,
Speaker 4: I would never work out in a regular like a
Speaker 4: hotel gin barefoot, but I would. I have asked, like, oh,
Speaker 4: can I have a matt and some dumbbells in my room?
Speaker 4: And like more often than that, they'll bring them to
Speaker 4: you like, oh, sometimes they won't.
Speaker 2: Like and I've never even thought to do that.
Speaker 4: I definitely stayed places where they're like, oh no, we
Speaker 4: can't do that, which sucks, but like it doesn't hurt
Speaker 4: to ask, you know, it just doesn't hurt. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I've also stayed in places where I have asked them
Speaker 4: to like empty out the minifridge because I'm like, that's
Speaker 4: it's too tempting for me, can you please empty it out?
Speaker 2: And sometimes they will.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I've done that, especially with kids, I've asked them
Speaker 1: to like empty out the mini fridge so that I
Speaker 1: can just like stuff that my kids actually will eat
Speaker 1: or I will eat like in.
Speaker 2: There and not twelve dollars M and ms. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: My kids don't need to like be looking at candy
Speaker 1: like every day like this.
Speaker 2: Now we're will in there. We're gonna put some apples
Speaker 2: in there. Happens the apples and cheez.
Speaker 4: I will say the best, the best piece of packing
Speaker 4: advice I've ever gotten is that for a trip overseas
Speaker 4: or like a trip that you're taking where you know
Speaker 4: you're probably gonna do some souvenir shopping or you want
Speaker 4: to want to bring stuff back, like we're going to this,
Speaker 4: We're going to Sicaga, right, But I also I'm so
Speaker 4: excited to see these Christmas markets in Europe and like Paris.
Speaker 4: I'm just so looking forward to it. And I know
Speaker 4: I'm gonna want to bring like some artists and stuff
Speaker 4: back for friends and family. And so what I am
Speaker 4: going to do is I'm going to check a bag,
Speaker 4: but it's mostly gonna be empty, like it might have
Speaker 4: maybe if I bring a second jacket, it might have
Speaker 4: a second jack get in there and like, okay, you
Speaker 4: know some stuff that I'm not going to miss right
Speaker 4: away if the bag gets lost.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I also do put tracking devices in my bags now,
Speaker 4: like I put Apple.
Speaker 2: The little I can't remember they're called.
Speaker 1: Keeps saying yeah the air tags weak air tag, that
Speaker 1: we're going to do that, and we haven't done.
Speaker 2: It yet, but yes, it's awesome, it's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Also pro tip, if you have a toddler or small child,
Speaker 4: you could stick an air tag on their little outfit
Speaker 4: when you take them to Disneyland and they're never gonna past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's real.
Speaker 1: Or they have those little like cute watches that they
Speaker 1: for kids that held a little air tag.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I put them in my bag, my chuck bag.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I usually use my kids carry on is usually
Speaker 1: has extra space.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And if we're going somewhere where I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: buy stuff, I try to make their bag like even
Speaker 1: lighter yeacause kids I find like they will I could
Speaker 1: read like I could do a lot less bottoms for them,
Speaker 1: especially if we're going if we're going in to anywhere
Speaker 1: hot where they're probably going to be in a bathing
Speaker 1: suit all the time.
Speaker 2: I'm packing like two or three shorts for that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1: The thing that they are going to consistently mess up
Speaker 1: is their shirt. That's the thing that they're going to
Speaker 1: spill shit on. That's the shit that Unfortunately, if you're
Speaker 1: going somewhere for a week, you need to pack them
Speaker 1: like ten shirts. Like it's just inevitable. They will spill
Speaker 1: some fucking shit on their shirts.
Speaker 2: But you don't do when you're when you're in Florida,
Speaker 2: you can do laundry though, like right, like can't you
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah for Florida, I don't do that.
Speaker 1: Yeahh in Florida where we have laundry, No, I pack
Speaker 1: them maybe, like so I don't have to do laundry
Speaker 1: like every three or four day, I'll pack it right
Speaker 1: for four or five shirts for them and maybe like
Speaker 1: two shorts because they are in their pajamas or their
Speaker 1: bathing suits.
Speaker 2: Ninety percent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Zo's at the age where he'll like do
Speaker 1: an outfit change, which I'm like, bro, we're traveling, like,
Speaker 1: you can't be doing an outfit change every day, Sonny,
Speaker 1: you have run out of clean like yeah, like he'll
Speaker 1: hearing over learn how to do laundry.
Speaker 2: That's ty, Yeah, that's you're right.
Speaker 4: Actually, that's totally okay. If you want to do do
Speaker 4: your outpha change, you can do that. If now you
Speaker 4: have you have to do laundry, yeah, to do that
Speaker 4: outfit so you're.
Speaker 2: Right, or you could keep that outfit on.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see the look on the oella's
Speaker 1: faces when I send my nine year old boy to
Speaker 1: do his own laundry.
Speaker 2: That would be really fun. Oh my god, are ridiculous?
Speaker 4: Really quick before we go, there is like this packing
Speaker 4: method that I think like TikTok and Reddit introduced or
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know who came up with it,
Speaker 4: but it's like the five three two one method, and
Speaker 4: I think it's interesting. Okay, Essentially you pack five bottoms,
Speaker 4: four tops, three pairs of shoes, two dresses, jumpsuits or layers,
Speaker 4: and one accessory. I don't know, I think this is
Speaker 4: a good jumping off point, and like, if you really
Speaker 4: struggle with like putting together outfits, maybe this is for you.
Speaker 4: I do think the power of accessories can change an outfit,
Speaker 4: like immediately, Like I could wear you know, I could
Speaker 4: wear my cool I have these black sweatpants that are
Speaker 4: like they have this like cool weird bottom that's like
Speaker 4: a bunky shape. So like I could wear those to
Speaker 4: a nice dinner if I layer them with like a
Speaker 4: black tank top, a black blazer, high heels, black white heels,
Speaker 4: and then like a cool gold necklace of big earrings,
Speaker 4: like perfect for dinner. And then if I just switch
Speaker 4: the shoes to the solomons, put on some socks and
Speaker 4: maybe layer you know, I've got this like big black
Speaker 4: scarf that I use for travel, or like a little
Speaker 4: bandana or something totally different outfit hat totally different outfit,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like, yeah, like it's very
Speaker 4: easy to do make different outfits if you pack accessories.
Speaker 4: So like I I'm like, I wear a hat on
Speaker 4: the plane so that I can have a hat when
Speaker 4: I'm traveling. I have like a like I said, I
Speaker 4: think like it's a J Crew. I think my bound
Speaker 4: sale right now. J Crew and Gap do really nice
Speaker 4: like big they we used to call them paj minas,
Speaker 4: but they're basically big like scarf cape that you can
Speaker 4: use as a blanket on the plane, but then you
Speaker 4: can also use a scarf when you get to your location.
Speaker 2: M god, so many hot tips.
Speaker 1: Also, because you kept saying Solomon's I wanted to look
Speaker 1: up Solomons the bus.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Are you talking about the slip ons
Speaker 2: and clogs? No, I'm talking about s A L O
Speaker 2: M O N.
Speaker 4: And I'm talking about like the hiking shoes, like the
Speaker 4: tennis shoes, the hiking shoes. So I'll send you a link.
Speaker 4: I'll send you a link because there's a ton of
Speaker 4: great ones right now. They just did a collab with like, Okay, they're.
Speaker 1: Kind of like booty kind of sneakers. Yeah, some of
Speaker 1: them are high tops and then some of them are icy.
Speaker 4: I would never the high tops are not for me.
Speaker 4: The high tops are for serious hikers. For me, it's
Speaker 4: like the fashion y like sneaker shoe. If you're interested,
Speaker 4: don't know a chunky sneaker. Yeah, it's like a chunky,
Speaker 4: cool sneaker, but it's not like, yeah, goofy looking like
Speaker 4: it doesn't well, some of them are kind of goofy,
Speaker 4: but some of them are very cool and like they
Speaker 4: just kind of make your outfit look like you're not trying,
Speaker 4: but they're comfy walk in.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, more better, Okay. What was your big takeaway today? Oh?
Speaker 1: My god, so many hot tips about wear your biggest
Speaker 1: shoes on the plane. Paj the recent pashmino one that
Speaker 1: doubles as a scarf was great. Yeah, you have to
Speaker 1: put on your outfits before you pack.
Speaker 2: You have to give yourself time.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna redo all of my little travel containers for
Speaker 1: my skincare and hair care.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you had so many good hot tips. This
Speaker 1: was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I definitely feel more better about packing. What are your takeaways?
Speaker 2: I need to get cracking.
Speaker 4: I'm packing for a trip that I'm taking to New
Speaker 4: York in two days. I'm going to New York in
Speaker 4: like two days, and I need to pack because I
Speaker 4: have multiple events that I have to go to, but
Speaker 4: also I'm spending time with a friend, so there's a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff and I don't want to check a bag.
Speaker 4: And then I also need to start thinking about Paris,
Speaker 4: which is like in a month, but I'd rather get
Speaker 4: it in my head now what I'm gonna want to
Speaker 4: take and not so that I can make sure everything's
Speaker 4: like ready to go so I'm not stressed out two
Speaker 4: days before I'm.
Speaker 2: Like losing my mind.
Speaker 4: Because that's another thing. This, let me tell you, this
Speaker 4: is a lot of trial and error. Like I have
Speaker 4: had times where I wait until the last second and
Speaker 4: I'm like crying in my closet because I'm having to
Speaker 4: try everything on and I'm so stressed out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is like Ali. I love to pack
Speaker 1: like two days before a trip, two or three days
Speaker 1: before a trip. I like that day before to be
Speaker 1: just left for like random things that I remember that
Speaker 1: I maybe want to take. Sometimes I can be dangerous though,
Speaker 1: because sometimes I can overpack on the day before because
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of to.
Speaker 2: You, I'm like, oh but what about this? What about this?
Speaker 2: What about that? Huh? But yeah, I like to do
Speaker 2: it a couple days before. I feel a little more
Speaker 2: better about packing? Do you.
Speaker 1: I feel a lot more better about packing, but I
Speaker 1: don't have to do it today like you do.
Speaker 2: So that's real. That's real, that's real. Okay, all right,
Speaker 2: this was a fun one. Yeah, this was fun. I
Speaker 2: hope that we were helpful in some way. Okay, see
Speaker 2: you next time. All right, Bye, bye guys, Bye, More
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