WEBVTT - Hip-Propaganda 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:04.800 You're listening to Waiting on Reparations production of My Heart Radio. 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.080 Yo yo yo. It's like a jungle. Sometimes. It makes 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:14.640 me wonder if these other rappers really offends. They're trying 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.200 to plunder some clock and the recipe. Watch what the 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:19.680 message be. Pay attention to the crumbs they dropping and 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:22.240 stressing me to a less degree. They got a purpose 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:24.759 to hang me. These motherfucker's rapping as if they're working 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.440 for Langley Propaganda flow even not considered. So it's something 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:30.440 I can't rop with. Is the opposite of dope. But 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:33.440 they dropped some bliminals not within my scope. Your mind 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.640 is just the road like the dropped into commode. But 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.000 I run in garb my tilfoil hat want no positive 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:47.479 game because they've been spoiled. That that's stupid. Hey what up? 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:54.120 My name's Dope Knife and we are waiting on reparations. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:57.800 Please hurry the funk up. How are you doing tonight? 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.800 I'm good. I'm excited. Uh, I mean I've had a 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:05.399 long day. But the House passed the pro act get 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:07.560 that ship. Yeah, I don't know if you hear about that. 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:10.640 So the explain that to us. So yeah, so the 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:14.440 pro act to Protect the Right to Organize Act of 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.440 the pro Act passed today in the House with five 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:22.119 Republicans joining Democrats in favor of it. It provides protections 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:26.320 for workers trying to organize UM and the labor movement. 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.640 You know, anybody from D s A to a bunch 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.080 of the big labor unions across the country have all 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:34.440 been lobbying and trying to hit their constituencies and their 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:38.920 memberships to contact their representatives and to support the pro 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.640 act because it's you know, it would finally level the 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:46.920 playing field that's tilted towards big business UM, making UH 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:53.560 union organizing drives and elections more accessible and power workers 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:58.640 to you know, organize and bargain UM. And so I 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:02.840 mean as as the socialist myself that believes that the 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:08.480 workers uh create all value and that they should, you know, 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:12.360 keep all value that they create. Very excited by this. 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:14.240 I think it's a good step forward. It'd be interesting 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.880 to see what happens with it in the Senate. UM. 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.959 I don't know where our senators, uh Raphael, we're knock 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.880 in John Assa stand on it. I know that uh 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:27.320 Lucy Makebath, she's the congresswoman for the sixth district defeated 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:32.760 Karen Handel in two thousand and eighteen, which is like 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.919 relevant to this current discussion because John Assa failed to 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:39.000 beat Karen Handel and what was at the time the 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:43.680 most expensive congressional race and history UM back in like 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.440 I think it was a special action back to Sun seventeen. Anyway, 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.639 Lucy Madebeth. She was on the fence. D s A 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.079 hit her up and like you know, labor unions were 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.800 all putting pressure on her. She came through and supported 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.880 Woo woo. So we'll see what happens to the Senate now. 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.480 So for those who don't know, is this would you 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.760 describe this as like a bold move that's going through? 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:06.680 Is this something that should have been should have been 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.200 done a long time ago? Well, what's sad about our 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:13.240 current political moment is that bold like bold moves and 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.440 things that should have happened a long time ago, like 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.440 that ven diagram is often a circle, but we think 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:22.160 about things like raising the minimum wage or providing universal 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.400 healthcare UM, and so I'd say it's a bold move 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:31.360 given like my personal low expectations of the Biden administration. UM, 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:33.520 it's I feel like it's a long time coming that 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:39.040 we restore collective bargaining rights to UM workers in places 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:40.920 like Georgia, which is a right to work state, and 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:46.040 across the nation. UM and so yeah, to mix sure both. 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.760 It's exciting. Nonetheless, even if it's like long overdoom, at 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:54.040 least something's getting done. At least something sounds getting done. Yeah, well, 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.320 what's come across my radar? I'm not sure if you 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.600 heard about this, but I was actually really interested in 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:00.720 your thoughts about this. So have you heard about what 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:06.280 went down with the Nevada Democratic Party? Yeah? Yeah, so, okay, 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:10.480 things are happening. There were some votes that took place. 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.400 I think it was over the weekend or both the 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:17.000 last week, but um, I guess five positions of leadership 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:23.480 UM in the Nevada Democratic Party were won by the 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:28.320 members of the d s A, the Democratic Socialists so UM. 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:32.720 As a result of this, the entire staff of the 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:39.040 Nevada Democratic Party quit and they pretty much rated the 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:43.080 accounts of the financial accounts before they left and took 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:47.839 like their severance pay pay, took all the money in 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.840 their bank accounts and like gave it to like the 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:54.200 Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and like pretty much just shifted 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.520 all their funds out of reach of the new leadership. 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.000 This is something that they're gonna be able to recover, 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.400 we're from I think so, I mean, I think that 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:06.279 like if there is well organized, as they seem to be, 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:10.080 having swept the elections, um they have, and like you know, 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:17.160 are capitalizing on the political uh enthusiasm and orientations of 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:21.000 an increasingly left leaning stain you know, as a result 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.599 of those organizing victories you know, into that sixteen around 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:29.040 the Bernie campaign as well and outside of that, um 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.400 I didn't know, I mean, and and in in addition 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:36.919 to just across the state, the popularity that there um 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:41.520 position seems to hold nationally, people like left leaning, like 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.600 you know, Verry left not Verry left leaning. Why should 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:50.640 I say this? Uh, socialist sympathizers and other left folks 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:56.120 UM are super stoked on this. I've known a couple 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.400 of folks that probably never even been in Nevada that 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.600 are chipping into the Nevada Democratic Party now so are like, oh, 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:03.760 hell yeah, I see you. How do I see you 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:05.440 about here? Grinded? So I think they'll be able to 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:09.680 bounce back from this national though, like, how do you 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:11.719 how does it get repeated. I mean it gets it 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:17.440 gets repeated in that um, people get like uh left 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:22.800 orgs wrather established ones or loose affiliations of people who 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:26.680 desire this kind of takeover get involved in Democratic party politics. 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:30.839 I mean like here in Athens, our are the chair 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:35.840 of our local Democratic party is is uh like a 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:41.479 It's like it's a low key socialist like whisperings don't know, 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.880 he doesn't He's like an Elizabeth Warren type. Let's say yeah, um, 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.800 and so like it could be done, and it could 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:53.200 be done in places particularly where um, I feel like, um, 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.440 there's not a lot there's like a strong establishment hold, 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.359 like where the Democratic Party is only weak A bunch 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:07.240 of energetic, well organized and like thoughtful anybody's can come 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.000 in and clean house and just turn it into whatever 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.240 they want if they show up to the meetings and 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:14.240 bring a bunch of their friends that then become voting members, 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.840 Like it can be done. And so yeah, taking over 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:21.080 your taking over your city party, taking over your state party. Um, 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.680 but just like showing up and like getting and bringing 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.880 people at the risk of at the risk of putting 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.960 heads on blast, like or would you even know what 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.960 cities or what states are kind of vulnerable. I mean 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:41.840 I imagine that um um well in terms of place, 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:45.960 well to start off, places that actually have strong democratic 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:50.320 parties with strong left insurgencies, well organized left insurgencies lately, 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.120 Like I could see I could see this having to 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.880 the New York State Democratic Party easily, given given the 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.880 organizing that like Queen's d s A and uh, you 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.920 know the Working Families Party have put in there and 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.800 electing slates of like very progressive legislators to like the 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.080 State Assembly, etcetera. Ye, I bet they duplicate this in 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:15.600 two years. And yeah, like I can you name other 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:20.080 states per se? Uh? I like having followed just like 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:23.200 probably have been aware of like Bernie's success in Nevada 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.800 as someone that was like highly involved in that campaign 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:29.000 and Eates didn't not anything this year, and like watch 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:32.240 the caucuses. Bernie like got an outrighting majority and the 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:35.240 caucuses there last year. He killed that ship last year, 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.040 And so I was like, oh, yeah, duff, you just 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.839 take that same infrastructure, all the people that was out 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.000 knocking on doors and all the people that was involved, 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:45.160 and you just like keep a pushing and then you know, 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:47.880 a year later, you take that ship over or whatever, 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.080 you know, like I mean if the trajectories, if the 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.800 trajectory keeps going the way that it is, yeah, I 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.160 mean that's exactly what we're heading because I mean I 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.400 don't even think we would be here if not for 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.840 Bernie do it hadn't having on the things that he did. 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:07.160 So yeah, yeah, and so like um, I was gonna say, um, 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.199 it's all progress. There's been so much talk on like 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:14.400 like with you know, the defeat of the Bernie campaign 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:18.680 and like watching the rollout of the Biden administration somewhat skeptically, 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.560 people being like third party politics are the way, and like, 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.480 you know, seeing the defeat of people like Charles Booker 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:28.280 and Kentucky or the Democratic establishment back Amy McGrath, a 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:32.360 centrist like pro Trump or pro Trump Democrat, like all 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.200 that kind of ship, you know, seeing the like people 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.720 are like, oh, third party, you gotta do it. But 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:43.800 now to have like like a like like a successful insurgency, 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:47.040 successful insurgency where it's like, no, this party can be 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:53.720 taken over and uh and we can do rad shit. Yeah, 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:58.240 like people hope that it can be done. This is 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:02.120 gonna be one of those funny episodes. I'm not even 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.960 sure if we've done something like this before, not necessarily 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:08.040 in terms of content, but just in terms of structure. 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.760 Our political discussion and our music discussion are going to 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.760 be one today, So we are going to be the 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.920 It's what we're talking about today is so connected to 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.599 the musical aspect of things that this whole thing is 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:24.760 just gonna be one big discussion about both. And what 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:29.240 that is is we're talking about hip hop's use as 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.720 being a tool for propaganda. Yeah, I feel like we 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.680 often discussed hip hop as like the megaphone of the people, 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:41.520 both journalistically sort of uh, you know, telegraphing what's happening 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:44.560 on the ground in various communities, but as a as 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:48.160 a sizeable cultural force over the last forty fifty years, 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.599 Like governments see that government's wanna want a piece of it, 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.559 of its magic to do their bidding. And so we're 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.680 gonna talk a little bit about that today. It doesn't 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:00.960 necessarily just have to be governments either. I mean, at 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:04.080 this at this point in the game, I think it's 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.640 I think it's a totally fair assessment to say that 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:14.439 mainstream American hip hop does serve as propaganda for other things. 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:21.480 Like there's certain certain corporate interests, certain commercial interests, propaganda exactly. Yeah, 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.640 even if it's not sanctioned exactly, it's all just a 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.640 matter of where the arrows pointed in what you're trying 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:31.400 to achieve with it. Um. So we're going to discuss 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.679 that the examples of hip hop being used either a 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:40.160 state sanctioned propaganda or just agenda driven propaganda, which will discuss. 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.480 But first of all, what is propaganda. Let's go ahead 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.840 and find our term. Okay, well, you know how I 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:49.400 like my wiki definition. So for propaganda right now, we 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:55.280 have Propaganda is the is communication that is primarily used 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.520 to influence an audience and further in agenda which may 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:03.160 not be objective and maybe since selectively presenting facts in 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:07.800 order to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.760 loaded language in order to produce an emotional rather than 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:15.000 rational response to the information that is being presented. Propaganda 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:19.000 is often associated with material which is prepared by governments, 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:24.200 but activist groups, companies, religious organizations, the media, and individuals 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:28.960 are also produced propaganda. That is the first paragraph of 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.320 the wiki definition. How do you feel about that definition? 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.839 I feel well, I mean, I'm cool with the definition. 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:38.800 It's interesting to me reflecting upon the connotation of propaganda, 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:42.000 like when you hear the word propaganda, like is it 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:47.200 negative or positive? I think, uh, as a you know, 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:51.480 half Cold War kid and and war on terror kid, 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:55.320 I think that, uh, propaganda has always had a negative 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.880 connotation to me. It wasn't until you want to you 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.480 wanna know some funny ship. The first person him that 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:07.880 I heard actually use propaganda like positively to When I 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.440 heard them say it, I was like, Ah, that's the 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.439 way of looking at it is when we actually interviewed 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:19.320 propaganda like second, second or or third episode, I think, 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:22.000 but I remember it was probably it was off air, 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.679 and he said something about, yeah, you know, I'm just 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.360 you know, I'm out here trying to make this positive 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.600 propaganda or like you know, and I was like, oh, 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.320 that that is true, because like if you're if you're 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:37.160 if you're advocating like a message or an agenda, then 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:41.200 that is your propaganda. And that's not necessarily a negative 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:45.480 thing coming from you. Propaganda as negative because because of it, 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:47.840 you can be emotionally as pocative because of the selected 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.880 presentation of information. But propaganda is also it's like water. 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:54.800 Now we are fish just swimming through it all the time, 0:13:55.600 --> 0:14:00.960 be it you know, watching Jin Saks, press briefings, Achelian Agadenes, 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:04.280 and it's like the way that information is fun to 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:08.160 gain public appeal and trust. Uh, it's it's everywhere, it's 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.320 all that's all the time. No one, no, no one's 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.080 immune to it. So we might as well, like, if 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.280 we want to get shipped done, if we have an agenda, 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.280 if we have an ideology that we think will help 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.800 lots of people, we might as well be producing propaganda. 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:28.720 I think it's I think it's like the manipulative quality 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.680 of it that I guess kind of makes it have 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.640 a negative connotation to it because I mean, if you're 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.840 if if you're out and you're speaking on behalf of 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:43.200 what you believe in and somebody's like a boom, that's propaganda. 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.560 Like you know what I'm saying, It just can't help. 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:49.000 But it just seems it just seems like a pejorative 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:53.120 just you wouldn't much rather just to present all the 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:56.000 facts and have someone come to the same conclusion as 0:14:56.080 --> 0:15:00.440 you about what they mean exactly the yeah city or 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.720 their perception. But I mean that's the nature of hot persuasion, 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.280 you know, to persuade. Your persuasion isn't a logical, like 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:11.760 isn't a holy logical like combat terrain. It it is 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:16.240 emotionally evocative. You do appeal to people's lizard brains through 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.440 the colors who use and the language, you know, being 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.840 colorful as well, or like I just you know, like 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.080 it doesn't have to be all about what the facts 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.760 are as much as like, how do you appeal to folks? 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:29.880 So I mean, I would love to live in the 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:34.400 world in which like facts convinced people of like the 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.840 right things to do on their own alone. And then 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.360 and and and in the world in which everyone played 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.760 by those rules. The fact of the matter is, we 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.320 do not live in a world where everyone playing by 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.560 those rules. Even if we committed to those rules, we 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.960 would get our asses handed to us because everybody else 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.560 has used it. But everybody who's snaky or dirty or 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:55.360 slimier just like spinning whatever they've gotta do to get 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:57.160 and we would get our asks into us. We would 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.400 all be in the gulag. You can't be unarmed, and 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.120 you have to you know, you have to come in 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.240 with your got to come in with your righteous spine. 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.920 So great to a gunfight yeah, get the propaganda going. 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.000 Like I think all the raps I've written for the 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.440 show or just generally lately have been propaganda for various causes. 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:18.880 I would I would prefer to describe them as illustrations 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:23.560 of policy physicians that are appealing aesthetically. That is what's 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.000 propaganda about them, is that it doesn't necessarily just appeal 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:27.920 to you on the level of fact. Also fun to 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:31.720 listen to. You just reminded me of a rap line 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.080 that had a good propaganda line, a Mortal Technique line 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.440 from back in the day. There was a back after 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.840 nine eleven, there was a song that was made right. 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.560 It was a cover of Marvin Gay's What's going On? 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.640 But it had like every pop star in existence at 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.440 the time, like Brady Spears, Sea Aguilary, justin Timber like 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.240 they were all the fucking nigga from Creators and that ship. 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:55.200 It was just it was like a big you know, 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.960 we are the world type of joy, right is the worst? 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:04.879 Like I just that phrase. It was it. It was 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:08.440 little TRL lineup. But I remember years later, a couple 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:10.679 of years later, there was a Mortal Technique line and 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.920 he was like, um, Marvin Gaye told me what's going 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:20.320 on that Nick has made propaganda and your song, Um, yeah, 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:24.120 we are going to get into this whole propaganda thing. 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:36.600 Give you guys some pretty cool stories right after the jump. Alright, 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:40.520 So in Cuba, there is a new rap track boldly 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:44.960 denouncing the communist government, and it's gone viral. It's provoked 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.280 anger in its response from the Cuban government, who fired 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:53.960 back with their own patriotic state sanctioned salsa. Single musical 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:59.680 battle between ideologies like it's like the it's like the 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:04.520 most like ideologically laden raft beef I've ever heard of. Anyway. 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:09.960 The anti government track, penned Pinte de Zona Bueno El 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:15.440 Funky and make Losorbo, dubbed Fatherland and Life are Patriavida, 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:20.879 is a flip on the hallowed patriot slogan fatherland or 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:25.800 death slogan popularized by Fidel Castro during the nineteen Huban Revolution. 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:33.600 Guinea Commas video opens with the image of nineteenth century 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:37.159 Cuban hero Jose Marti, and it burns away to reveal 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:41.800 George Washington, another quote unquote revolutionary, as well as images 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:45.960 of poverty and protesters in the streets of Cuba. It's 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:50.920 over your nineteen fifty nine I'm twenty single chorus implying 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:54.000 the communist regime is held the Cuban people in the past. 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:58.119 No more lies, My people demand freedom, no more doctrines. 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.679 Those are also some lyrics from the track. Further lyrics 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.440 in the song decry food and security on the island 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.880 and some of the sometimes violent government repression of critique. 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.560 Most of the artists on the track, including Um, are 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.440 Cuban exiles. The only two living on the island still 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.399 are El Funky and Michael, who are members of the 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.920 artist collective San Citro. Um, who had one of his 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:25.880 members actually imprisoned by the Cuban government and whose supporters 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.159 a small group of supporters gathered outside of the culture 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:34.879 industry in UH road tests. Uh. I think last year, UM, 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.240 what are your thoughts on this? So, I mean, I 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:41.280 think it's I mean, I'm interested into the degree to 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:45.480 which and perhaps doing a little digging this would become 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:54.040 you know, unearthed, Like this ideology flows from their decision 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:57.520 to leave the country or whether they're living outside or 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:03.520 or being ex pats exiles has has like given rise 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.960 to this like burning hatred of communism. It was like 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:09.240 we left Cuba because of communism, which many people did, 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:13.120 or it's like living outside of Cuba and like being 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:19.360 exposed to more capitalist ideology through the propaganda that circulates 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.720 freely in other Western countries. It is like, you know what, 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:25.159 actually fuck it back home, Like those motherfucker's don't know 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.800 how to live? Yeah, well, I mean um. The article 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:33.000 from the Financial Times which brought this story to our radar, 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.760 it kind of mentions that, you know, there's a generational 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:39.119 shift where there is a you know, a particularly strong 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:45.320 anti government bent to the younger generation of Cubans. Um. 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.680 The article did mention that that anti Cuban government bent 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:52.920 also comes with a pro Trump leaning. So I'd be curious. 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:57.040 I'd be curious as to whether what's the name youth, 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:00.160 I'd be interested in what his his views are are 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:04.960 of you know, the Trump administration or even America, just America, 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:07.880 the American empire in general. Right, because in this song, 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:10.240 they're kind of like wrapping about what they're against. They're 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:16.879 against people waiting in breadlines, they're against government repression and censorship, um, 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:19.200 but not really like articulate a vision of what they're for. 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:23.280 So if it's like, yeah, uh, I don't wanna eth 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:27.560 no state and like kill sex workers in life, you know, 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.560 trans people, like send them to a lecture, shock therapy. 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:33.360 I don't know, I don't know what they're for exactly. 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:35.080 It's like it's hard to if you want to get 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:38.960 on board because it's something revolutionary, but not all revolutions 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.159 are in your favorite type of thing. Right if it 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.640 weren't for the context in which the song would produced, 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.359 like if you just picked it up and dropped it 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:51.439 in the middle of Detroit or something like, the message 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:55.080 still stands that, like, suck the government, suck the way 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.280 your censorship and your repression. We've got people standing in 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.600 breadlines in Texas, you know what I mean, Like, oh, 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:05.000 you know, the poverty and all that stuff. So really 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:08.680 it's like I get like, okay, we're you know, your 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:11.840 in your experiences informed by like the system you've lived under, 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:16.760 and so if you live under a communist regime, like 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:21.560 you become a critical critical communism as much as living 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.800 in a capitalist one. UM. We're like we've see everything 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:26.760 going on and we're critiquing in we're like you know, 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:29.840 hating in our songs, um. But it's all like it's 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:33.639 all anti governments. Like I feel like this the generational 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:36.160 divide that you're talking about. It is like young people 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:39.840 don't are like anti authoritarians exactly exactly, and that's it. 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:41.760 That's like what we all have in common, regardless of 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:45.919 whether we're critiquing you know, communism, capitalism. Now, the song, 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:48.760 which I'm going to call by its English title Father 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:51.040 of Life because I don't want to put your any 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:54.720 Spanish right now. Um, but the the song has received 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:58.800 the predictable backlash from the official Cuban media. They've branded 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:03.919 the rappers US loving traders and mercenaries tools of the Empire, 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:09.160 and they've called the song an attempt at gross political interference. 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:12.360 And the funny part about all this that like that's 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:15.560 what I find hilarious and like, so what's the word 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:18.440 for it? Just like so ham fisted, it's it's pretty 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:23.600 much like a fucking propaganda off, you know, rap battle, well, 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:24.919 I don't even know if you could call it rap 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:29.560 battle or song song versus where the government has launched 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:36.200 their own, like you said, salsa inspired rappi pop jingle 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:43.439 that's entitled you want to Say that pat or Fatherland 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:48.159 or death or Life, which it's play on both of 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:52.080 the titles of like the slogan Fatherland or Death at 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.800 the title of the other song, Fatherland and Life, So 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:59.160 it's like fatherland or death for life. It really feels 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:05.000 like we're gonna call our father later. Yeah, let's check 0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:14.080 out this track. Let's check out this track. The track 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:17.639 featured the upper the Financial Times. The track features five 0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:25.320 officially sanctioned performers led by singer songwriter Raoul Torres, singing 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:28.440 a robust salsa rebuttal to the rappers against the backdrop 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:32.199 of the Cuban flag. You can his lyrics read you 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:35.119 can cash in by licking the arrogance of the empire. 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:39.560 And you can cash in by singing that you're against 0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:43.320 poverty from a satin sofa. I'm not even on a trip. 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:46.960 And this is not because I'm a socialist, um Like 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:51.480 this is purely on like lyrical grounds. I honestly think 0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:54.600 the salsa song is. But those lyrics you can cash 0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:58.800 in by licking the arrogance of the empire. That fucking bangs, 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:01.680 are you kidding? That's can dope, Like I'm not even 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:04.479 this also like that and that's like pretty ill as 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:07.240