1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: You're listening to Waiting on Reparations production of My Heart Radio. 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: Yo yo yo. It's like a jungle. Sometimes. It makes 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: me wonder if these other rappers really offends. They're trying 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: to plunder some clock and the recipe. Watch what the 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: message be. Pay attention to the crumbs they dropping and 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: stressing me to a less degree. They got a purpose 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: to hang me. These motherfucker's rapping as if they're working 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: for Langley Propaganda flow even not considered. So it's something 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: I can't rop with. Is the opposite of dope. But 10 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: they dropped some bliminals not within my scope. Your mind 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: is just the road like the dropped into commode. But 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: I run in garb my tilfoil hat want no positive 13 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: game because they've been spoiled. That that's stupid. Hey what up? 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: My name's Dope Knife and we are waiting on reparations. 15 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: Please hurry the funk up. How are you doing tonight? 16 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm excited. Uh, I mean I've had a 17 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: long day. But the House passed the pro act get 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: that ship. Yeah, I don't know if you hear about that. 19 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: So the explain that to us. So yeah, so the 20 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: pro act to Protect the Right to Organize Act of 21 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: the pro Act passed today in the House with five 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: Republicans joining Democrats in favor of it. It provides protections 23 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: for workers trying to organize UM and the labor movement. 24 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: You know, anybody from D s A to a bunch 25 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: of the big labor unions across the country have all 26 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: been lobbying and trying to hit their constituencies and their 27 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: memberships to contact their representatives and to support the pro 28 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: act because it's you know, it would finally level the 29 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: playing field that's tilted towards big business UM, making UH 30 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: union organizing drives and elections more accessible and power workers 31 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: to you know, organize and bargain UM. And so I 32 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: mean as as the socialist myself that believes that the 33 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: workers uh create all value and that they should, you know, 34 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: keep all value that they create. Very excited by this. 35 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: I think it's a good step forward. It'd be interesting 36 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: to see what happens with it in the Senate. UM. 37 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 1: I don't know where our senators, uh Raphael, we're knock 38 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: in John Assa stand on it. I know that uh 39 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: Lucy Makebath, she's the congresswoman for the sixth district defeated 40 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: Karen Handel in two thousand and eighteen, which is like 41 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: relevant to this current discussion because John Assa failed to 42 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: beat Karen Handel and what was at the time the 43 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: most expensive congressional race and history UM back in like 44 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: I think it was a special action back to Sun seventeen. Anyway, 45 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: Lucy Madebeth. She was on the fence. D s A 46 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: hit her up and like you know, labor unions were 47 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: all putting pressure on her. She came through and supported 48 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: Woo woo. So we'll see what happens to the Senate now. 49 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: So for those who don't know, is this would you 50 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: describe this as like a bold move that's going through? 51 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: Is this something that should have been should have been 52 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: done a long time ago? Well, what's sad about our 53 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: current political moment is that bold like bold moves and 54 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: things that should have happened a long time ago, like 55 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: that ven diagram is often a circle, but we think 56 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: about things like raising the minimum wage or providing universal 57 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: healthcare UM, and so I'd say it's a bold move 58 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: given like my personal low expectations of the Biden administration. UM, 59 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: it's I feel like it's a long time coming that 60 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: we restore collective bargaining rights to UM workers in places 61 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: like Georgia, which is a right to work state, and 62 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: across the nation. UM and so yeah, to mix sure both. 63 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: It's exciting. Nonetheless, even if it's like long overdoom, at 64 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: least something's getting done. At least something sounds getting done. Yeah, well, 65 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: what's come across my radar? I'm not sure if you 66 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: heard about this, but I was actually really interested in 67 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: your thoughts about this. So have you heard about what 68 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: went down with the Nevada Democratic Party? Yeah? Yeah, so, okay, 69 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: things are happening. There were some votes that took place. 70 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: I think it was over the weekend or both the 71 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: last week, but um, I guess five positions of leadership 72 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: UM in the Nevada Democratic Party were won by the 73 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: members of the d s A, the Democratic Socialists so UM. 74 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: As a result of this, the entire staff of the 75 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: Nevada Democratic Party quit and they pretty much rated the 76 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: accounts of the financial accounts before they left and took 77 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: like their severance pay pay, took all the money in 78 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: their bank accounts and like gave it to like the 79 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and like pretty much just shifted 80 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: all their funds out of reach of the new leadership. 81 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: This is something that they're gonna be able to recover, 82 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: we're from I think so, I mean, I think that 83 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: like if there is well organized, as they seem to be, 84 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: having swept the elections, um they have, and like you know, 85 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: are capitalizing on the political uh enthusiasm and orientations of 86 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: an increasingly left leaning stain you know, as a result 87 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: of those organizing victories you know, into that sixteen around 88 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: the Bernie campaign as well and outside of that, um 89 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: I didn't know, I mean, and and in in addition 90 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: to just across the state, the popularity that there um 91 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: position seems to hold nationally, people like left leaning, like 92 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: you know, Verry left not Verry left leaning. Why should 93 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: I say this? Uh, socialist sympathizers and other left folks 94 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: UM are super stoked on this. I've known a couple 95 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: of folks that probably never even been in Nevada that 96 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: are chipping into the Nevada Democratic Party now so are like, oh, 97 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: hell yeah, I see you. How do I see you 98 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: about here? Grinded? So I think they'll be able to 99 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: bounce back from this national though, like, how do you 100 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: how does it get repeated. I mean it gets it 101 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: gets repeated in that um, people get like uh left 102 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: orgs wrather established ones or loose affiliations of people who 103 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: desire this kind of takeover get involved in Democratic party politics. 104 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: I mean like here in Athens, our are the chair 105 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: of our local Democratic party is is uh like a 106 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: It's like it's a low key socialist like whisperings don't know, 107 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: he doesn't He's like an Elizabeth Warren type. Let's say yeah, um, 108 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: and so like it could be done, and it could 109 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: be done in places particularly where um, I feel like, um, 110 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: there's not a lot there's like a strong establishment hold, 111 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: like where the Democratic Party is only weak A bunch 112 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: of energetic, well organized and like thoughtful anybody's can come 113 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: in and clean house and just turn it into whatever 114 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: they want if they show up to the meetings and 115 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: bring a bunch of their friends that then become voting members, 116 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: Like it can be done. And so yeah, taking over 117 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: your taking over your city party, taking over your state party. Um, 118 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: but just like showing up and like getting and bringing 119 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: people at the risk of at the risk of putting 120 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: heads on blast, like or would you even know what 121 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: cities or what states are kind of vulnerable. I mean 122 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: I imagine that um um well in terms of place, 123 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: well to start off, places that actually have strong democratic 124 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: parties with strong left insurgencies, well organized left insurgencies lately, 125 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: Like I could see I could see this having to 126 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: the New York State Democratic Party easily, given given the 127 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: organizing that like Queen's d s A and uh, you 128 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: know the Working Families Party have put in there and 129 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: electing slates of like very progressive legislators to like the 130 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: State Assembly, etcetera. Ye, I bet they duplicate this in 131 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: two years. And yeah, like I can you name other 132 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: states per se? Uh? I like having followed just like 133 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: probably have been aware of like Bernie's success in Nevada 134 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: as someone that was like highly involved in that campaign 135 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: and Eates didn't not anything this year, and like watch 136 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: the caucuses. Bernie like got an outrighting majority and the 137 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: caucuses there last year. He killed that ship last year, 138 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: And so I was like, oh, yeah, duff, you just 139 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: take that same infrastructure, all the people that was out 140 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: knocking on doors and all the people that was involved, 141 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: and you just like keep a pushing and then you know, 142 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: a year later, you take that ship over or whatever, 143 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, like I mean if the trajectories, if the 144 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: trajectory keeps going the way that it is, yeah, I 145 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: mean that's exactly what we're heading because I mean I 146 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: don't even think we would be here if not for 147 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: Bernie do it hadn't having on the things that he did. 148 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and so like um, I was gonna say, um, 149 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: it's all progress. There's been so much talk on like 150 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: like with you know, the defeat of the Bernie campaign 151 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: and like watching the rollout of the Biden administration somewhat skeptically, 152 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: people being like third party politics are the way, and like, 153 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: you know, seeing the defeat of people like Charles Booker 154 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: and Kentucky or the Democratic establishment back Amy McGrath, a 155 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: centrist like pro Trump or pro Trump Democrat, like all 156 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: that kind of ship, you know, seeing the like people 157 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: are like, oh, third party, you gotta do it. But 158 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: now to have like like a like like a successful insurgency, 159 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: successful insurgency where it's like, no, this party can be 160 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: taken over and uh and we can do rad shit. Yeah, 161 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: like people hope that it can be done. This is 162 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: gonna be one of those funny episodes. I'm not even 163 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: sure if we've done something like this before, not necessarily 164 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: in terms of content, but just in terms of structure. 165 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: Our political discussion and our music discussion are going to 166 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: be one today, So we are going to be the 167 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: It's what we're talking about today is so connected to 168 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,599 Speaker 1: the musical aspect of things that this whole thing is 169 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: just gonna be one big discussion about both. And what 170 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: that is is we're talking about hip hop's use as 171 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: being a tool for propaganda. Yeah, I feel like we 172 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: often discussed hip hop as like the megaphone of the people, 173 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: both journalistically sort of uh, you know, telegraphing what's happening 174 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: on the ground in various communities, but as a as 175 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: a sizeable cultural force over the last forty fifty years, 176 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,599 Speaker 1: Like governments see that government's wanna want a piece of it, 177 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: of its magic to do their bidding. And so we're 178 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about that today. It doesn't 179 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: necessarily just have to be governments either. I mean, at 180 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: this at this point in the game, I think it's 181 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: I think it's a totally fair assessment to say that 182 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: mainstream American hip hop does serve as propaganda for other things. 183 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: Like there's certain certain corporate interests, certain commercial interests, propaganda exactly. Yeah, 184 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: even if it's not sanctioned exactly, it's all just a 185 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: matter of where the arrows pointed in what you're trying 186 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: to achieve with it. Um. So we're going to discuss 187 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: that the examples of hip hop being used either a 188 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: state sanctioned propaganda or just agenda driven propaganda, which will discuss. 189 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: But first of all, what is propaganda. Let's go ahead 190 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: and find our term. Okay, well, you know how I 191 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: like my wiki definition. So for propaganda right now, we 192 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: have Propaganda is the is communication that is primarily used 193 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: to influence an audience and further in agenda which may 194 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: not be objective and maybe since selectively presenting facts in 195 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: order to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using 196 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: loaded language in order to produce an emotional rather than 197 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: rational response to the information that is being presented. Propaganda 198 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: is often associated with material which is prepared by governments, 199 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: but activist groups, companies, religious organizations, the media, and individuals 200 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: are also produced propaganda. That is the first paragraph of 201 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: the wiki definition. How do you feel about that definition? 202 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: I feel well, I mean, I'm cool with the definition. 203 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: It's interesting to me reflecting upon the connotation of propaganda, 204 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: like when you hear the word propaganda, like is it 205 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: negative or positive? I think, uh, as a you know, 206 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: half Cold War kid and and war on terror kid, 207 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: I think that, uh, propaganda has always had a negative 208 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: connotation to me. It wasn't until you want to you 209 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: wanna know some funny ship. The first person him that 210 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: I heard actually use propaganda like positively to When I 211 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: heard them say it, I was like, Ah, that's the 212 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 1: way of looking at it is when we actually interviewed 213 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: propaganda like second, second or or third episode, I think, 214 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: but I remember it was probably it was off air, 215 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: and he said something about, yeah, you know, I'm just 216 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: you know, I'm out here trying to make this positive 217 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: propaganda or like you know, and I was like, oh, 218 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: that that is true, because like if you're if you're 219 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: if you're advocating like a message or an agenda, then 220 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: that is your propaganda. And that's not necessarily a negative 221 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: thing coming from you. Propaganda as negative because because of it, 222 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: you can be emotionally as pocative because of the selected 223 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: presentation of information. But propaganda is also it's like water. 224 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: Now we are fish just swimming through it all the time, 225 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: be it you know, watching Jin Saks, press briefings, Achelian Agadenes, 226 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: and it's like the way that information is fun to 227 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: gain public appeal and trust. Uh, it's it's everywhere, it's 228 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: all that's all the time. No one, no, no one's 229 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: immune to it. So we might as well, like, if 230 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: we want to get shipped done, if we have an agenda, 231 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: if we have an ideology that we think will help 232 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: lots of people, we might as well be producing propaganda. 233 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's like the manipulative quality 234 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: of it that I guess kind of makes it have 235 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: a negative connotation to it because I mean, if you're 236 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: if if you're out and you're speaking on behalf of 237 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: what you believe in and somebody's like a boom, that's propaganda. 238 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, It just can't help. 239 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: But it just seems it just seems like a pejorative 240 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: just you wouldn't much rather just to present all the 241 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: facts and have someone come to the same conclusion as 242 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: you about what they mean exactly the yeah city or 243 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: their perception. But I mean that's the nature of hot persuasion, 244 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: you know, to persuade. Your persuasion isn't a logical, like 245 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: isn't a holy logical like combat terrain. It it is 246 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: emotionally evocative. You do appeal to people's lizard brains through 247 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: the colors who use and the language, you know, being 248 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: colorful as well, or like I just you know, like 249 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be all about what the facts 250 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: are as much as like, how do you appeal to folks? 251 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: So I mean, I would love to live in the 252 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: world in which like facts convinced people of like the 253 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: right things to do on their own alone. And then 254 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: and and and in the world in which everyone played 255 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: by those rules. The fact of the matter is, we 256 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: do not live in a world where everyone playing by 257 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: those rules. Even if we committed to those rules, we 258 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: would get our asses handed to us because everybody else 259 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: has used it. But everybody who's snaky or dirty or 260 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: slimier just like spinning whatever they've gotta do to get 261 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: and we would get our asks into us. We would 262 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: all be in the gulag. You can't be unarmed, and 263 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: you have to you know, you have to come in 264 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: with your got to come in with your righteous spine. 265 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: So great to a gunfight yeah, get the propaganda going. 266 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: Like I think all the raps I've written for the 267 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: show or just generally lately have been propaganda for various causes. 268 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: I would I would prefer to describe them as illustrations 269 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: of policy physicians that are appealing aesthetically. That is what's 270 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: propaganda about them, is that it doesn't necessarily just appeal 271 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: to you on the level of fact. Also fun to 272 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: listen to. You just reminded me of a rap line 273 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: that had a good propaganda line, a Mortal Technique line 274 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: from back in the day. There was a back after 275 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: nine eleven, there was a song that was made right. 276 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: It was a cover of Marvin Gay's What's going On? 277 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: But it had like every pop star in existence at 278 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: the time, like Brady Spears, Sea Aguilary, justin Timber like 279 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: they were all the fucking nigga from Creators and that ship. 280 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: It was just it was like a big you know, 281 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: we are the world type of joy, right is the worst? 282 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: Like I just that phrase. It was it. It was 283 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: little TRL lineup. But I remember years later, a couple 284 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: of years later, there was a Mortal Technique line and 285 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: he was like, um, Marvin Gaye told me what's going 286 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: on that Nick has made propaganda and your song, Um, yeah, 287 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: we are going to get into this whole propaganda thing. 288 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: Give you guys some pretty cool stories right after the jump. Alright, 289 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: So in Cuba, there is a new rap track boldly 290 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: denouncing the communist government, and it's gone viral. It's provoked 291 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: anger in its response from the Cuban government, who fired 292 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: back with their own patriotic state sanctioned salsa. Single musical 293 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: battle between ideologies like it's like the it's like the 294 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: most like ideologically laden raft beef I've ever heard of. Anyway. 295 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: The anti government track, penned Pinte de Zona Bueno El 296 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: Funky and make Losorbo, dubbed Fatherland and Life are Patriavida, 297 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: is a flip on the hallowed patriot slogan fatherland or 298 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: death slogan popularized by Fidel Castro during the nineteen Huban Revolution. 299 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: Guinea Commas video opens with the image of nineteenth century 300 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: Cuban hero Jose Marti, and it burns away to reveal 301 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: George Washington, another quote unquote revolutionary, as well as images 302 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: of poverty and protesters in the streets of Cuba. It's 303 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: over your nineteen fifty nine I'm twenty single chorus implying 304 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: the communist regime is held the Cuban people in the past. 305 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: No more lies, My people demand freedom, no more doctrines. 306 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: Those are also some lyrics from the track. Further lyrics 307 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: in the song decry food and security on the island 308 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: and some of the sometimes violent government repression of critique. 309 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: Most of the artists on the track, including Um, are 310 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: Cuban exiles. The only two living on the island still 311 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: are El Funky and Michael, who are members of the 312 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: artist collective San Citro. Um, who had one of his 313 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: members actually imprisoned by the Cuban government and whose supporters 314 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: a small group of supporters gathered outside of the culture 315 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: industry in UH road tests. Uh. I think last year, UM, 316 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on this? So, I mean, I 317 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: think it's I mean, I'm interested into the degree to 318 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: which and perhaps doing a little digging this would become 319 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, unearthed, Like this ideology flows from their decision 320 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: to leave the country or whether they're living outside or 321 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: or being ex pats exiles has has like given rise 322 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: to this like burning hatred of communism. It was like 323 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: we left Cuba because of communism, which many people did, 324 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: or it's like living outside of Cuba and like being 325 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 1: exposed to more capitalist ideology through the propaganda that circulates 326 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: freely in other Western countries. It is like, you know what, 327 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: actually fuck it back home, Like those motherfucker's don't know 328 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: how to live? Yeah, well, I mean um. The article 329 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: from the Financial Times which brought this story to our radar, 330 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: it kind of mentions that, you know, there's a generational 331 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: shift where there is a you know, a particularly strong 332 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: anti government bent to the younger generation of Cubans. Um. 333 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: The article did mention that that anti Cuban government bent 334 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: also comes with a pro Trump leaning. So I'd be curious. 335 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: I'd be curious as to whether what's the name youth, 336 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: I'd be interested in what his his views are are 337 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: of you know, the Trump administration or even America, just America, 338 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: the American empire in general. Right, because in this song, 339 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: they're kind of like wrapping about what they're against. They're 340 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: against people waiting in breadlines, they're against government repression and censorship, um, 341 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: but not really like articulate a vision of what they're for. 342 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: So if it's like, yeah, uh, I don't wanna eth 343 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: no state and like kill sex workers in life, you know, 344 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: trans people, like send them to a lecture, shock therapy. 345 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what they're for exactly. 346 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: It's like it's hard to if you want to get 347 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: on board because it's something revolutionary, but not all revolutions 348 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: are in your favorite type of thing. Right if it 349 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: weren't for the context in which the song would produced, 350 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: like if you just picked it up and dropped it 351 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: in the middle of Detroit or something like, the message 352 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: still stands that, like, suck the government, suck the way 353 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: your censorship and your repression. We've got people standing in 354 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: breadlines in Texas, you know what I mean, Like, oh, 355 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, the poverty and all that stuff. So really 356 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: it's like I get like, okay, we're you know, your 357 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: in your experiences informed by like the system you've lived under, 358 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: and so if you live under a communist regime, like 359 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: you become a critical critical communism as much as living 360 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: in a capitalist one. UM. We're like we've see everything 361 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: going on and we're critiquing in we're like you know, 362 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: hating in our songs, um. But it's all like it's 363 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: all anti governments. Like I feel like this the generational 364 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: divide that you're talking about. It is like young people 365 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: don't are like anti authoritarians exactly exactly, and that's it. 366 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: That's like what we all have in common, regardless of 367 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: whether we're critiquing you know, communism, capitalism. Now, the song, 368 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: which I'm going to call by its English title Father 369 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: of Life because I don't want to put your any 370 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: Spanish right now. Um, but the the song has received 371 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: the predictable backlash from the official Cuban media. They've branded 372 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: the rappers US loving traders and mercenaries tools of the Empire, 373 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: and they've called the song an attempt at gross political interference. 374 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: And the funny part about all this that like that's 375 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: what I find hilarious and like, so what's the word 376 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: for it? Just like so ham fisted, it's it's pretty 377 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: much like a fucking propaganda off, you know, rap battle, well, 378 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: I don't even know if you could call it rap 379 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: battle or song song versus where the government has launched 380 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: their own, like you said, salsa inspired rappi pop jingle 381 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: that's entitled you want to Say that pat or Fatherland 382 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: or death or Life, which it's play on both of 383 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: the titles of like the slogan Fatherland or Death at 384 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: the title of the other song, Fatherland and Life, So 385 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: it's like fatherland or death for life. It really feels 386 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: like we're gonna call our father later. Yeah, let's check 387 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: out this track. Let's check out this track. The track 388 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: featured the upper the Financial Times. The track features five 389 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: officially sanctioned performers led by singer songwriter Raoul Torres, singing 390 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: a robust salsa rebuttal to the rappers against the backdrop 391 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: of the Cuban flag. You can his lyrics read you 392 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: can cash in by licking the arrogance of the empire. 393 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: And you can cash in by singing that you're against 394 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: poverty from a satin sofa. I'm not even on a trip. 395 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: And this is not because I'm a socialist, um Like 396 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: this is purely on like lyrical grounds. I honestly think 397 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: the salsa song is. But those lyrics you can cash 398 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: in by licking the arrogance of the empire. That fucking bangs, 399 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: are you kidding? That's can dope, Like I'm not even 400 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,479 Speaker 1: this also like that and that's like pretty ill as 401 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: opposed to like, ohn't know the lyrics of the other 402 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 1: song like a little week and like generic to everything. 403 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: Everything has to be taken in context, right, because it's 404 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: like if you don't if you just look at the 405 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: video to the Rebuttal on its own, but you know 406 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: the story, it really does seem like, you know what 407 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: I mean, they're like in front of the Cuban flag 408 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: and it's not as well produced. Their video has like 409 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: an obviously lower budget than the Rappers video, so it 410 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: just comes across looking and then everybody in the ship 411 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: is like older. It just comes across looking like some 412 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: hookey after school special stuff, especially when you know it's 413 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: in Rebuttal to the rap song where everybody's got the 414 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: shirt off look at all cool. You know, I'm saying 415 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: it like looks like an actual like rap video and 416 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: compared to comparison to this one. So I just seem 417 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: to me is that in both videos, the Cuban flag 418 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: is featured prominently in Patoo Patoo Vita, like one guy's 419 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: got it like draped over his shoulders and so like 420 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: it's interesting to me that there's this patriotism brought, this 421 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: patriot patriotic current running it underneath both of them. The 422 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: Patria Vita video is like I want freedom for by 423 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: people like I love the people of my country. I 424 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: got my flag like I want freedom for Cuba, um. 425 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: Whereas like I feel like another like anti authoritarian like 426 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: movement context. You wouldn't see somebody in like ah, like 427 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: you down with the government. I guess actually that's wrong. 428 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: I would love about that. You wouldn't see somebody like 429 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,479 Speaker 1: down with the government and like waving in American flag 430 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: in the States. But then I'd forgot about Danny way six. Yeah, 431 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I'd say all of that Antifa. You know, 432 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: you wouldn't see like Antifa out with like American fat 433 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: like yo the government like you would like. It didn't 434 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: occur to me at first, and like, I don't know 435 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: why it was patriot to them. I don't know if 436 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: refreshing is the word, but there's something to be said about, 437 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: you know, a sort of anti government sentiment that still 438 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: is nationalistic at the same time, you know what I mean. 439 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: Almost it's kind of like we love the place where 440 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: we're from, but we hate the people in charge. I 441 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: feel like people, Yeah, I don't know. Most of the 442 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: anti authoritarian people I can think of in my life 443 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: were like in my Twitter sphere are like no, man, 444 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: like we need to start over and like from scratch, 445 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: like America, we need to get rid of America kind 446 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: of people, which is just just like, well, you know, there's 447 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: the question of whether or not this is resonating. These 448 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: two songs are resonating so far. The anti government track 449 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: has three times the YouTube views as it's a government 450 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: sanctioned rebuttal Um in interviews that the Financial Time Financial 451 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: Times conducted with everyday Cubans, you know, the SENTI seems 452 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: to be the people are aware of the issue, and 453 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: they're aware of the government response. But you know, everyone's 454 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: worried about putting food on the table and you know, 455 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 1: avoiding Corona, and it's not necessarily something that people are 456 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: talking about in the food cues. Yeah, people aren't worried 457 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: about the ship. They're like, oh, there's like this rappive 458 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: happening between my government some rappers. I would also say 459 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: that the anti government track having three times as many 460 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: views on YouTube might also speak to anti communist sentiment 461 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: of general Cubans living outside of the US, which you know, 462 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: people living in Florida, other expats, people within the communist 463 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: views around the world be like oh hell yeah, that's 464 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: dope versus like, you know, this is one explanation. Yeah, 465 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: people are worried about this. I I don't blame them. 466 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: I would let me laughing my ass office when she 467 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: was going down to the United States. Do you mean 468 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: to tell me, well, we'll see. That's the thing. It's like, 469 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: what's just like when we were talking about Pablo a 470 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, It's like you can't even really 471 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: imagine this sort of ship happening in the US. I mean, 472 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: when when we're talking about American rat and in that context, 473 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: it's like motherfucker's are getting arrested for other stuff. You know, 474 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: like like rappers in the US aren't getting arrested because 475 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: they said something that made the government mad. I'm not 476 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: saying that it couldn't happen. I'm just saying, you know, 477 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: rappers with the big enough platform aren't doing that. So 478 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: and they haven't really done that for like thirty years. 479 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: So it's like even imagining the situate, the scenario playing 480 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: out in the US is is difficult to the closest 481 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: thing I can imagine is the like rock the Vote, 482 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: which isn't official. Yeah, but you know, it's kind of 483 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: like corny and like people are like, do you want 484 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: to know what an example of it would be. It 485 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: would be if one of these maga's, what are these 486 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: like maga insurrectionists? If they were a rapper, you know 487 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, like if there was a Q 488 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: and on rapper talking about like, hey, you gotta storm 489 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: the capitol, you gotta kidnap the governor, Like yeah, that 490 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: would get the FBI at your door. That that would 491 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: that would probably bring the government down on you, at 492 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: least the Biden administration. It's only a matter of time 493 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: to the comfort no name that set god ship all 494 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: episode on her political evolution and she's working on and 495 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: the fact that she's definitely gonna get black back, but 496 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: the government at some point, well, let's please knock on 497 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: wood and yeah, please let her drop that album first. 498 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: At least, god damn, she's got to be five. So 499 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna teleport across the sea and we're 500 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: gonna go to the People's Republic of China. Talk about 501 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: the hip hop group c D Rev in their two 502 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: thousand sixteen track This is China. Now, let's take a 503 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: listen to this, because I really do believe that this 504 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: is incredible and none of goods he made this song. 505 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: According to them, this is too correct some misconceptions about 506 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: contemporary China. So his his point that he was making 507 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: about the pollution as he was saying, yeah, we have pollution, 508 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: but so did l A. I mean, you know, as 509 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: far as as far as um maliciousness goes, it's not 510 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: very malicious or anything like that, but it's just it's 511 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: like walking that fine line where it definitely does seem 512 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: like it's state run. There was a article in the 513 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: Communications and Critical Cultural Studies shan Zu, and the point 514 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: was made that while CD revs hip hop may not 515 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: look like conventional propaganda, it functions as ideo attainment, which 516 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: fuses state interests in citizens nationalism. And I think that's 517 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: that's kind of the fine line that they draw, because 518 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: I mean, if you told me that that had the 519 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: backing of like the Chinese government, I would believe it. 520 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: But if you told me that that was just some kids, 521 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, some contemporary kids in China just making you know, 522 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: pro China hip hop, it could kind of sound like 523 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: that too. It hasn't very yeah, exactly, it has a 524 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: repping where they're from sort of vibe to it that 525 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: you know can and and because they wrap in English too, 526 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,479 Speaker 1: I guess that's another aspect of it, that there might 527 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: be a little bit of trans a little bit of 528 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: meaning that that's being distorted in translation because because they're 529 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,719 Speaker 1: wrapping in English, it really makes the propaganda end of 530 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: it shine because it's not really rhyming that much. You know, 531 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: it's just like question like who's it for exactly? It's 532 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: not in their native tongue. It's like if you're you're 533 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: producing in English so that English speakers will hear it, 534 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: You're what, like why are you like? That awareness of 535 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: audience makes you feel like it's propaganda in that they're 536 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: trying to convince you of something about that we're a 537 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: country as opposed to like just reporting on it to 538 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: other people who have that same like cultural like foundation 539 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: of like shared a shared language. Well, how do you feel? Um? 540 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: You know? A few months ago, when the protests in 541 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: Hong Kong were really revving up, they dropped the track 542 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: that was essentially a diss song to the protesters, like 543 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: why are you protesting? Get off the streets, like the 544 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: Chinese government wants to help you, you're ruining everything like, 545 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: those are the sentiments that were expressed in that song democracy, 546 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: Why yea are we somewhere so hard to seek again? 547 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: It's like if you didn't think that they were of 548 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: government funded propaganda group in that Hong Kong one definitely 549 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: kind of makes it feel like they might be hip hopping. 550 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: The powerful cultural tool that it can be. It's capabilities 551 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: UM have been used for propaganda across respection possible. In Europe, 552 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: counter terrorists, experts and authorities have been monitoring what they 553 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 1: called jihad rap for Salon. American and European terrorism experts 554 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: have been increasingly and concerned over anti American hip hop UM, 555 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: accending the radicalizing influence of the genre, noting that Al Shabab, 556 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: a Somali based Islamist group, uses jihad wrap and its 557 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: recruitment videos. Avand scholar disca stern and foretant affairs first 558 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: and second generation Muslim children I interviewed for study of 559 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 1: the sources of radicalization and the Netherlands seemed to think 560 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: that talking about g hop was cool in the same 561 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: way that listening to gangster wrap and is cool in 562 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: some use circles. Others have advocated mobilizing certain substyles of 563 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: hip hop against this jihad cool and you're a hip 564 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: hop is used, is being used to enlist is hip 565 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: hop is being enlisted in a broad ideological offensive to 566 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: counter domestic extremism. On the one side, you have these 567 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: counter cold the way that hip hop is, you know, 568 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 1: it's like foundationally countercultural. Like it's cool because it's gritty 569 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: and it's from the streets. Some people you know that 570 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: I guess have created a matter where stre you know, 571 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: no matter where your streets are. Yeah, and so it's like, yo, 572 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: I you know, gihad is cool because it's it's it's 573 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: anti establishment, it's anti it's uh, it's like this a 574 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: way to organize ourselves outside of the main stream and 575 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: pushed back against it, which is just like kind of 576 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 1: horrifying to me, but like it makes sense in a way, 577 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: like oh of course, like yeah, I see how that's 578 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: that slope would be slippery, and I do. I do 579 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: like that gangster rap comparison too, because it's like something 580 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: can start from one place, you know what I'm saying, 581 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: but in the wrong hands it can be used to 582 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: cause harm, you know what I'm saying, Like like all 583 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 1: the way around. Um, like the Cuban government. The Western 584 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:32,240 Speaker 1: Powers have pondered countering this with moderate Muslim hip hop voices. However, 585 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: they've been much more hesitant to just outright do so 586 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: like the Cuban government has, and it's mainly because they 587 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: don't necessarily know who they should really be fucking without. 588 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: In the music video, are these guys cool? No? I 589 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: don't like that. There's an example of them getting burned. 590 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: So in the Netherlands, there's a Dutch Moroccan rapper by 591 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: the name of Salah a Dean and he dropped a 592 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: song and video called Van or This Country of Uh. 593 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: In the song he criticizes the government, which in the 594 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: Netherlands is becoming increasingly more conservative. He criticizes the red 595 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: light district with lines like this land that sells women 596 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: from behind window panes um And in the video he's 597 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: got like some terrorist imagery. There's like a scene of 598 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 1: a grandfather of who's got a suicide vest on. He's 599 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 1: being detained by the police. And even uh A Dean 600 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: himself appears at the beginning of the video where he's 601 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: clean shaven and he's in a house and he you know, 602 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: he's in like a regular domesticated house and he's rapping, 603 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,720 Speaker 1: and as the video goes on, his face becomes more scruffy, 604 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: until by the time you get to the end of 605 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: the song, he's got a full beard. He's wearing a 606 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: Guantanamo jumpsuit and he's about to get water boarded and 607 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So yeah, I mean, and in my opinion, 608 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: it's done artfully. But this is the only song in 609 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 1: video that I've seen of the guy before I go 610 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,919 Speaker 1: ahead and co signed from from my opinion and also 611 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: not understanding the words, but it seems like, you know, 612 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: it's an artful take on controversial subject matter. But in 613 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 1: any event, the video was paid for by a grant 614 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: from the Dutch Ministry of Culture that a dean had 615 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,720 Speaker 1: received for the video's production. So this caused the ship storm. 616 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: You know, we're voting it's um let's listen to that 617 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: song real from the Best Muslim hatless slum out Father. Still, 618 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: you know it's like this. I can see what they 619 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: I see what they mean because you know, we experienced 620 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: this on our end too. It's like hip hop makes 621 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,240 Speaker 1: ship cool. I'm sorry, it just does. It makes stuff cool. 622 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: It there's a there's a sleekness and there's a mystique 623 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: to it that it provides to whatever you're talking about. 624 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: Like I'm old enough to remember when you know, people 625 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: weren't really fucking with pimps like that, you know what 626 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying, And like pimps became cool at some point 627 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: because rappers started talking about them favorably and ship like that. 628 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: Now I'm not I'm not, you know, saying that a 629 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 1: dean is necessarily promoting terrorism or anything through this song, 630 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:35,240 Speaker 1: but there is a there's a chic to it, you know. Yeah, 631 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: it raises the conversation again of like like documentation versus promotion, 632 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: like to like the the accusal hip hop oftentimes faces 633 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 1: of like promoting violence, promoting drug dealing, promoting these things. 634 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: When it's like or are people just describing it like 635 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: they're just like they're just telling you what's happening, rather 636 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: than like, oh I think it's cool. I mean, sometimes 637 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: yeah it is, Oh yeah, I think that's cool. But 638 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: I'm notimes just like yo, shot a guy what and 639 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 1: they're like just you know, documenting their experiences. I think it, um, 640 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: it's like a case by case basis. With me, I 641 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: don't think that it can be like broadly painted that way. 642 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: I think that, Um, you know, it's like when you 643 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: when you see it, you when you hear it, you 644 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: know it. You know what I'm saying, Like if when 645 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: you hear somebody who's documenting things that they've seen and 646 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 1: they're presenting, even if it has a little bit of 647 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: that glamorizing you know, vibe to it, there's a way 648 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: to go about something like you're documenting it. Then there's 649 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,359 Speaker 1: a way to go about it like you know, you're 650 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: just promoting some ship. I don't necessarily think that any 651 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: depiction of something is the equivalent of a of advocacy, 652 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: you know, like just he could just be documenting present 653 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: presenting like a like a uh, it's like a a 654 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 1: portrait of radicalization. Well, the people in the Netherlands should 655 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: chill and we're talking about this dude, because Aden has 656 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 1: nothing on the next guy who we're going to talk about. 657 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: So there is a Well was an extremely popular German 658 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,839 Speaker 1: rapper by the name of Deso dog Um. He had 659 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: a hit song called and I'm going to butcher this 660 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: German Welcome in in minor world or welcome to my world. 661 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: Let's check that out real quick now, he um he 662 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: he was extremely popular for a long time after he 663 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: converted to Islam and started being a lot more open 664 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 1: with it in his music and his image. Things just 665 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 1: kind of started spiraling from there. In eleven, he was 666 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: alleged to have inspired a twenty one year old uh 667 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: Kosovar to fire at a busload of American serviceman in Frankfurt, 668 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 1: and he would eventually just leave Europe altogether and actually 669 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 1: go to Syria to fight with ISIS. And now he's 670 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: actually like a wanted propaganda minister, like official propaganda minister 671 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 1: for ISIS. But yeah, his stuff, if you look at 672 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: some of his things, which you know, it's it's hard 673 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: to find them on YouTube for obvious reasons, but it's 674 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: like it's it's the difference between that and a Dean 675 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: is completely stark. You know what I'm saying. It makes 676 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 1: it makes the video and the song that we just 677 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,359 Speaker 1: heard seem like a Martin Scorsese piece of art as 678 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,760 Speaker 1: opposed to like something that just looks like a terrorist 679 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: video with a beat. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, 680 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: Like like this this guy like hardcore. I don't even 681 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,839 Speaker 1: know if you could call that self radicalization, but it's 682 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,839 Speaker 1: almost like he had a self fulfilling prophecy. The more 683 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,240 Speaker 1: radicalized that he got to the point where it's like, oh, 684 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: I guess there's nothing to do now but go join 685 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 1: islis So I mean like what what do what? Do you? What? 686 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: Do you? What? Do you think that was the cause 687 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: of that? Do you think that he was do you 688 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: think he radicalized himself? Or do you think opening his 689 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: his music and his his id to that sort of 690 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 1: philosophy kind of influenced where his dijectory went. I mean, 691 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,959 Speaker 1: I think I think radicalization comes into directions. It comes 692 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 1: from the the ambient, like, uh, social problems that we experienced, 693 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 1: like telling us that something is not right about the 694 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,879 Speaker 1: way things are, and then the media we could consume, uh, 695 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: then providing an answer to those questions right, and so 696 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 1: Like I can't speak to the German context of like 697 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 1: what particular things he may have been experiencing in his 698 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: life that drove him in this direction, but I mean 699 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: I imagine something environmental was like hey, yo, fuck this, 700 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: and not only funck this, but like how do I 701 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,479 Speaker 1: fuck this? Ah? Yes? Isis this is the way? Uh? 702 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: And so like the internet then providing this uh, this 703 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: wormhole which we all get stucked down to various directions 704 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: thanks YouTube. We would consider this to be right wing 705 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 1: radicalization though correct, Like if you go from being a 706 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:16,240 Speaker 1: German gangster rapper to being like a full fledged member 707 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 1: of ISIS. Yeah, Like that's that is the equivalent of 708 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,800 Speaker 1: in two years of seeing storm the Capital wrap nigga. Yeah, 709 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:33,280 Speaker 1: we storm in the Capitol, we hit in cops with flags, Yeah, wyoming. 710 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: Wh Let's bring it back to Cuba. Okay, let's let's 711 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 1: let's circle. Let's bring it back full circle. Let's come 712 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: back to Cuba. Yeah. So we started off talking about 713 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: you know, anti government versus pro government propaganda being produced, 714 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: but I think that we need to understand a bit 715 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,880 Speaker 1: about the context of how hip hop has been used 716 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: in Cuba, like in recent years as well as just 717 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: like historically, to kind of cast some light on some 718 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:13,919 Speaker 1: implications of this anti government song. So it came out 719 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,760 Speaker 1: where what you're where is the link to this article? 720 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,240 Speaker 1: Um So. In two thousand and thirteen, two thousand fourteen, 721 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: it emerged that, uh, the US was attempting to unseek 722 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,400 Speaker 1: Cuba's communist government through infiltration of the Cuban rap scene. 723 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,800 Speaker 1: The American Development Aid Organization us AID I've been secularly 724 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 1: trying to infiltrate Cuba's underground hip hop movement. According to 725 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,920 Speaker 1: records obtained about the Associate Press and the idea was 726 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: to use Cuba's rappers to break the information blockade and 727 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 1: build a network of young people seeking social change to 728 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,840 Speaker 1: spark a youth movement against the the government of President 729 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 1: Royal Castra. Now to understand this, we got to talk 730 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 1: a little bit about the Cuban ap group Lost Lost, 731 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: as they are anti government underground rap group. Let's check 732 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,839 Speaker 1: out the song of their's with Richard's translates to wrap 733 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 1: his Wars instrumental. Is that's a jay Z instrumental that 734 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,440 Speaker 1: they did that over that? That is the jay Z 735 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:32,920 Speaker 1: song Moment of Clarity produced by Eminem. I believe. Yeah, 736 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,800 Speaker 1: they're adored by the people over there for with lyrics 737 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,360 Speaker 1: that are like, um, I'm tired of following their plans. 738 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 1: Socialism or death is not a slogan. They also wrapped 739 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,839 Speaker 1: people marching blind. You have no credibility. Go tell the 740 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:53,239 Speaker 1: captain the ship's sinking rapidly. Um, they're there, Like I said, 741 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 1: their beloved for their outspokenness. Um, they've been banned from 742 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 1: performing in Havana because you know they're they're because their 743 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 1: anti government raps. So that's putting them in context, so 744 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,319 Speaker 1: Daryn Kavanaugh of the blog wars Boring. He explains, the 745 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,680 Speaker 1: Cuban government initially treated hip hop and rap much the 746 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: same way dealt with other important music. The Ministry of 747 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,960 Speaker 1: Culture didn't ban it, but didn't support it either. That 748 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: changed in two thousand and two when the ministry created 749 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 1: the Cuban Rap Agency. The agencies reported hip hop on 750 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 1: the island and promoted Cuba's hip hop stars abroad. The 751 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,239 Speaker 1: government endorsed the Jammer provided that performers um towed the 752 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: Communist Party's line cop Caster government banned outspoken critics, such 753 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 1: as the rap group Los Orleanos from performing publicly in Havannah. 754 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: On the other hand, um that since the ship forth 755 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,759 Speaker 1: the group to join hip hop the Cuban hip hop 756 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 1: underground despite the group's popularity, U s aid gave the 757 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 1: Creative Associates International, which was a development company based in Washington, 758 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 1: d C. Gave them a con track to coordinate a 759 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 1: multimillion dollar plan in Cuba that involved promoting hip hop 760 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 1: performers and throwing festivals and things like that. And admittedly 761 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 1: it was soft, you know, soft financial support and in 762 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:18,279 Speaker 1: terms of lost how do you say that again, in 763 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,400 Speaker 1: the case of loss Altianos, uh, this aid was provided 764 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,920 Speaker 1: without their explicit knowledge. But you know, if you're if 765 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: you're getting money from U. S. A. D. And they're 766 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 1: helping you out and sending you abroad to go to 767 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,480 Speaker 1: leadership UH seminars and stuff like that, I guess you 768 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,920 Speaker 1: can kind of put two and two together if you're them. 769 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 1: But that's a negative though picture that the years twenty 770 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 1: Associated Press dropped a bombshell that little Yadi is a 771 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,239 Speaker 1: part of co Intel Pro two. I'm not I'm not 772 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 1: just spread capitalist propaga and I'm not smiling because that's 773 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,320 Speaker 1: not out of the realm of possibility. If we met 774 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,360 Speaker 1: a part in other countries. God knows what's happening in ours. 775 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,960 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a good chance that fucking like Anderson 776 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,960 Speaker 1: Cooper is, there's a good chance that news anchors, in 777 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:27,160 Speaker 1: in in social media influencers are all fucking fans. So yeah, 778 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,560 Speaker 1: I would not doubt it that if it came out 779 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,200 Speaker 1: that some some of these rat cats out there working 780 00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,360 Speaker 1: with them people, I don't know that I would necessarily 781 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 1: be surprised, y'all motherfucker's might be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised. 782 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,320 Speaker 1: The most unrealistic thing about the scenario is described. It 783 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:55,799 Speaker 1: is the part where we find out it's going on. Yeah, well, 784 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,719 Speaker 1: I mean if if there was okay, so if if 785 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,160 Speaker 1: we were if we had that in our myths right like, like, okay, 786 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,480 Speaker 1: let's let's do a little irresponsible speculation right now. If 787 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,880 Speaker 1: we had that in our myths, Let's say we had 788 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,480 Speaker 1: the we we did the mission impossible breaking into Langley, 789 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,440 Speaker 1: and we got out only half the information. The information confirmed, Yes, 790 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 1: made there are cabal of mainstream rappers that are working 791 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:27,400 Speaker 1: with the FEDS that our secret propaganda you know, minister 792 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,799 Speaker 1: like secret propagandasts for the United States federal government. Who 793 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,279 Speaker 1: would it be? We? We? I mean you came out 794 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,600 Speaker 1: with little YADDI. First, I was gonna go, I don't, 795 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to him today, I was gonna say Pump, 796 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,400 Speaker 1: so like they're kind of in the same vein, So 797 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,399 Speaker 1: I'd say pump. If if it came out that Pump 798 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 1: was a fed those recruited when he was sixteen, Jez's 799 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,360 Speaker 1: held up as like, oh, black capitalism at its pinnacle, 800 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:02,520 Speaker 1: like why we gotta hustle and drive and like yeah yeah, 801 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,440 Speaker 1: like oh, how do you get billion dollars Nigga Rick 802 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:14,960 Speaker 1: Cross that federal grant money? Um? Yeah, you know, I 803 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,280 Speaker 1: don't want to speculate about this anymore. I'm hearing beeps 804 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 1: of my ship. Well, um yeah, So that's that's what 805 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,360 Speaker 1: we've got today. You guys go check out some of 806 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,760 Speaker 1: those songs and videos because some of them are actually 807 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: quite quite stirring and interesting to listen to. And I 808 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,719 Speaker 1: would always like to promote international rap, even if some 809 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,000 Speaker 1: of it I don't believe, you know, necessarily line up 810 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,319 Speaker 1: with politically. It is cool if you're a hip hop 811 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,960 Speaker 1: fan too, soap that in into just to see what's 812 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,000 Speaker 1: going on in different scenes across the world, because this 813 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,480 Speaker 1: hip hop thing of ours can be used for a lot. 814 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,360 Speaker 1: Some of it's a lot of it's good, but some 815 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,279 Speaker 1: of it can be bad, and some of it so 816 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 1: not even necessarily for of the people, you know, So 817 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,080 Speaker 1: it's you gotta keep your eyes open and your ears 818 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,920 Speaker 1: open for that. But all right, I'm like, Frank, huh, 819 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm dope knife And we're not getting off that easy. 820 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:26,160 Speaker 1: Because Joel dropped a motherfucking beat waiting a reparations. Yeo, Yo. 821 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,319 Speaker 1: You ever notice how everybody rap about the same ship 822 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,920 Speaker 1: thirty years and I'm still waiting for the name switch 823 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 1: all around the world, same song and the same griff. 824 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,920 Speaker 1: Ain't no one in power was thinking ya ship is dangerous. 825 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,560 Speaker 1: Matter of fact, probably ghost road is. You're so focused, 826 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,000 Speaker 1: whole motive backing like you're working for the old potus, 827 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,080 Speaker 1: making my soul focused. You're gonna learn like I'm old, oldest, 828 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,960 Speaker 1: cuss your grass out, make it full throated. I'm old logan. 829 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,040 Speaker 1: I ain't dying to lee and they're trying to bring 830 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,239 Speaker 1: wash you with lying and pretend. So I try to 831 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,759 Speaker 1: recommend dope ship. You can try it with your friend. 832 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm grown. I ain't trying to set a trend. Dope 833 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:07,920 Speaker 1: dope y dope knife, I'm legal, Franca. We are waiting 834 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 1: on reparations. See you next week. See y'all waiting on 835 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,200 Speaker 1: reparations as a production of I Heart Radio. Listen to 836 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,000 Speaker 1: Waiting on Reparations on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 837 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,520 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.