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Speaker 1: M Hey everybody, I'm Robert Evans and this is once

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Speaker 1: again Behind the Bastards. Each week I read you a

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Speaker 1: story about a terrible, terrible person, uh, and then I

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Speaker 1: discuss it with my guest. And this week that guest

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Speaker 1: is Danny Fernandez of Nerdificent on the House Stuff Works Network.

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Speaker 1: She's also a comedian and general funny person. Hey Danny, Yes,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. Thanks for coming on. So

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Speaker 1: hear about awful people. Well, this week our awful person

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Speaker 1: is Griselda Blanco. Does that name ring an els to

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Speaker 1: you barely with like cocaine? Right? Oh? Yeah, okay? She

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Speaker 1: is the Godmother of Cocaine is one of her nicknames.

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Speaker 1: She called herself the baddest bitch to ever take a

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Speaker 1: breath of life. Oh yeah, well, I mean I think

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Speaker 1: that's reserved for Beyonce, but sure. Well that's what we'll see.

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Speaker 1: By the end of this podcast. We're gonna know if

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Speaker 1: if she's the baddest bitch or the saddest bitch, because

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Speaker 1: one of those two is the is probably the truth. Um.

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Speaker 1: because she is uh she's a tough cookie. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: we're just going to get into it then. Um. Griselda

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Speaker 1: was born in February nine in Cartagena, Columbia. Oh wait,

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Speaker 1: the day after Valentine's that's right. Uh. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: the forties Columbia was was not a densely populated place.

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Speaker 1: When she was three, her mother moved her to Metain,

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Speaker 1: even biblical laws. I mean it would like those would

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Speaker 1: pretty biblical. Yeah. Yeah, so her dad didn't didn't stick around.

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Speaker 1: Not much information about him, but I'm sorry. There's no laws.

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Speaker 1: not a familiar situation from anyone in the modern world. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So Griselda's mother was a hardcore alcoholic uh and very abusive.

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Speaker 1: Griselda was beaten regularly. The violence at home was broken

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Speaker 1: up with a nice helping of violence absolutely everywhere else.

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Speaker 1: Because when Griselda was five, there was this guy, George Gitan.

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Speaker 1: He was a beloved liberal presidential candidate from Bogata, Ah.

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Speaker 1: He was murdered. Uh. This sparked a ten year civil

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Speaker 1: war known as law Viollencia, or the violence. At least

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Speaker 1: conflict revolved around local police and politicians urging conservative peasant

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Speaker 1: Va Allencia was especially pronounced in areas like Medine, So

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Speaker 1: from age five on, Griselda saw dead bodies on a

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Speaker 1: It was like a local pastime for kids in Medine,

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Speaker 1: when Griselda was eleven, she and some other young people

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Speaker 1: They're all boys, Dixon, Hubert, and Oswaldo. Uh. And then

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Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy one, Blanco and Alberto became the first

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Speaker 1: so they're fucking banking it. Um. Griselda grew Americanized and

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Speaker 1: develop a love for mafia and gangster movies, particularly The Godfathers. Yeah, yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: Griselda was the first female drug lord in the cocaine game.

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Speaker 1: She was also an innovator. She realized that female mules

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Speaker 1: lingerie just for smuggling cocaine. Of lingerie. Yeah, God, I

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Speaker 1: kind of want to be friends with her. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: I guess she and other people like have their hair

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Speaker 1: educate people about this specifically. Yeah, no, no, no, thank

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Speaker 1: you for this. You're welcome. Now I'm thinking about what

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Speaker 1: part of me to ensure your beard really Yeah, thank you,

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Speaker 1: you're welcome. You should. I don't know if you've checked out.

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Speaker 1: I always tell my guy friends to go check out.

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Speaker 1: Like when you're on Instagram, you if you post a

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Speaker 1: hashtag beard love or how. I mean, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: to curry favor with it. No, but I mean you

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Speaker 1: that's something to keep in the back pocket. Four and

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Speaker 1: business hasn't had a huge impact on the city itself.

420
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 1: UH and the cartels are rapidly moving away from marijuana

421
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 1: because pots bulky and it's hard to hide. It smells.

422
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 1: Cops were actively looking for it, and they weren't looking

423
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 1: for cocaine at this point. UH. And cocaine at this

424
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 1: point in time was worth about thirty five thousand dollars

425
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 1: a pound in like nineteen seventies dollars, So that's the

426
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 1: equivalent of like two or three years income for a

427
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: middle class person if you can smuggle one pound of

428
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: cocaine across the border. UM. In the late seventies, coke

429
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 1: was still a rare and exotic drug that only the

430
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 1: really rich people could do. A single gram would be

431
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 1: sixty to one hundred bucks. Or report from the National

432
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: Institute on Drug Abuse in nineteen seventy seven estimated that

433
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: less than one percent of adults in the country had

434
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 1: even tried it. Like twenty years later, it would be

435
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 1: more like fift of adults had tried it. So cocaine

436
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: explodes in this period of time, from like the late

437
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: seventies up through the eighties, and Grisello Blanco is most

438
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 1: of the reason why, because she starts moving cocaine in

439
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: by the thousands and thousands of pounds. Within a few

440
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: months of coming to Miami, her income had tripled. Other

441
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: drug kingpins followed the Queen pen and soon Miami was

442
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: awashing to see a blow. Cocaine money actually built the

443
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 1: city of Miami that we know today. Huge numbers of

444
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 1: bars and nightclubs were built to act as front for

445
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 1: cartel operations. Giant buildings sold with condos and penthouses shot

446
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: up because there's all these people with drug money now

447
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 1: that are just like wanting to buy nice places on

448
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: the beach banks who were willing to look at scance

449
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 1: a little blow got rich beyond their wildest dreams and

450
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: also bought giant skyscrapers to house there. Now I feel

451
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 1: we could help our economy. We're just getting super into coke.

452
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: Well we're doing this now with pot in the north West.

453
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: So there's all these little towns in Oregon that we're

454
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: like just to stop on the road five years ago

455
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: that are now filled with money and rich people and buildings.

456
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: Because like the fucking pot industry. Then, yeah, I don't

457
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: feel like we're doing that here. Like I don't think

458
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: people are making a ton off of pot here in California,

459
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: well know, because California, you can get what eight hundred

460
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: bucks for a pound of weed here, like whereas you know,

461
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: in the parts of the country where it's still illicit,

462
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: it still goes for a couple of grand so they

463
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: still have to hide it kind of out there. Most

464
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 1: of the growers you're going to meet some some of

465
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 1: them are fully legit and they just sell within the

466
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: state or within like the legal states. But a lot

467
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 1: of them will sell a little bit legally to sort

468
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: of cover their operations, and then we'll sell a lot

469
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,479
Speaker 1: more in parts of the country where like it's you know,

470
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: that's that's where pot comes from, is the Northwest. Yeah.

471
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: The only thing that would terrify me about this is

472
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: I've seen good fellas, so I'm like scary. I would

473
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 1: be scared to get into this world. Oh it is

474
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 1: a scary world, like you're gonna die. Yeah. And and

475
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: the pot industry right now has some some ugliness to it,

476
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: But the cocaine era, in my it was unbelievably you

477
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: know what, at least pot chills you out. Yeah, so

478
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: your competitors you're all chill, and you might end up

479
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: like meeting up to fight and then you smoke together. Yeah.

480
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: You know whereas coke people are so angry, been around cokeheads,

481
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,239
Speaker 1: and once they start doing more coke, it's not going

482
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: to calm them down. Yeah. So this leads to a

483
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 1: period of time called the Cocaine Wars, which were largely

484
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: focused in South Florida. Griselda was probably the most successful

485
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: uh coke baron of the early cocaine wars. She developed

486
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: a reputation for being willing to kill basically anyone for

487
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 1: basically no reason. At one point, she cornered an arms

488
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: dealer with a machette and was about to cut him

489
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: to pieces. The man begged her not to and begged

490
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: her to instead get a gun from his car and

491
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: just shoot him. So she she shot him, and she

492
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: told everybody like she would tell the story to people,

493
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: that she showed mercy to this guy by shooting him

494
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: rather than cutting him up. So she got another nickname

495
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 1: out of that, La Kampaseva, the compassionate one. So now

496
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: she's up to three nicknames, all pretty good. Um. So,

497
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: at one point Griselda stole two million dollars from a

498
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: business associate and had that associate tortured and killed and

499
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: wrapped in plastic and toss into a canal. She was

500
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: probably responsible for more than two murders in Dade County,

501
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: Florida alone. UM. In nineteen seventy nine, two of Griselda's

502
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: men drove a white Happy Time party supply van up

503
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: to the dad Land Mall, got out and started firing

504
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: machine guns into a liquor store. They killed two men

505
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: who arrivals of Griselda's, and they wounded a clerk. The

506
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: shootout became known as the dad Land Mall massacre because

507
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: the bar for being dubbed a massacre was set a

508
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: lot lower back in the seventies, like two people, doesn't

509
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 1: even get on the news. And but they were using

510
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: machine guns, and they wound up just like driving around

511
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: the parking lot of the mall in their white van

512
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: firing machine guns randomly in the buildings for a while.

513
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: And then they left the van uh and the police

514
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: who searched it found that it had been bulletproofed. It

515
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: was filled with machine guns and ammo. They described it

516
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: as a war wagon. It was basically like a tank

517
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: in the body of a box truck. So this was

518
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: kind of like the moment in the Cocaine Wars where

519
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: the police were like, oh my god, this is like

520
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: so like cops at this point, they're all just carrying

521
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: a little six shooters. They don't have machine guns, they

522
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: don't have body armor, there's not much in the way

523
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: of swat teams. And they realized that like the gangsters

524
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: in Miami are tooling around and armored cars with with

525
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: machine guns. And so this is like the moment that

526
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: catalyzes that the coke wars have gotten really fucking serious. Um.

527
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: And it's also a moment that catalyzed another great cocaine

528
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: innovation for Grissel de Blanco. She was frustrated by the

529
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: loss of her fourteen thousand dollar, which was a lot

530
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: of money back then. War wagon. Wait, why did they

531
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: leave it? It's not known, but they do. I think

532
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: it's probably because the traffic was bad, so they realized

533
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: they be able to get away faster on foot. And

534
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks later she lost two of her

535
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: assassins because the cops caught them after killing a guy

536
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 1: because they were stuck in traffic in their car. So

537
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: she decides cars are bullshit and starts having all of

538
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: her hitman drive motorcycles and in vince the motorcycle drive

539
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: by assassination, which would come to be one of the

540
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: truly great innovations that cocaine wars, because you could just

541
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: zoom up, shoot someone to death, and then roll out

542
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: or wherever. Pablo Escobar used a shipload of motorcycle assassins

543
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: like in his Rise to Power. So this was like

544
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: a major uh innovation in killing people in the coke industry.

545
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: And it gives a bad name to motorcyclists. Man, I've

546
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: met some of the nicest leather daddy's out there. If

547
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: you get into the cocaine business, I mean, assuming they're

548
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: in the cocaine business. I assume every motorcyclist, No, I

549
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 1: assume they're all on their way to like volunteer somewhere,

550
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: because that's all of the stories I see on my feed.

551
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: You know, It'll be like tadded motorcycle guy like helps

552
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: elderly woman across the street. So that's my how I

553
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,479
Speaker 1: view them. I mean, theoretically, if writing a motorcycle allows

554
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: you to more efficiently assassinate people and escape traffic, it

555
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: also allows you to more efficiently volunteer your time at

556
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: soup kitchen. Yeah see, yeah, it would checks out. And

557
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: they're saving the environment by they Yeah, they are. That's

558
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: why they get to use like the carpool lane less emissions.

559
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: So you could say she developed a green way to

560
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: assassinate people. Yeah yeah, and that yeah yeah, yeah, she's

561
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: an environmental also, she is, you know, taking more people

562
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: off the planet. And these are usually very rich people,

563
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: probably consuming a lot too. Yeah. They're also bad, well

564
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: some of them, some of them. I think some of

565
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: them heard competitors that are also murdering people. Yeah yeah,

566
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: I mean that's the nice thing about the cocaine Wars

567
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: is that you don't have to feel super bad. It's

568
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: kind of interesting. They're killing each other. Yeah. So Miami

569
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: became the most violent city in the United States pretty

570
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: rapidly after Grizelda moved there. In nineteen seventy nine. It

571
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: had three hundred forty nine murders in nineteen eighty there

572
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: were five hundred and seventy three murders in nineteen eighty

573
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: one that were six hundred murders. So many people were

574
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: dying that the coroner's office ran out of space to

575
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: put the corpses. The medical investigator had the least refrigerated

576
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: truck from a burger King for eight hundred dollars a month,

577
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: so they have enough space for all the bodies. That's

578
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: super dark. Yeah, that's super dark's dying, but having a

579
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: stay in a burger king. Yeah, not even McDonald's because

580
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: back then McDonald's was huge. Like staying in the second

581
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: rate refrigerator. God, yeah, that's that's a bummer. And it's

582
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: also just like if you get up in the morning

583
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: and reason and out, in and out. Yes, definitely not Arby's.

584
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry Arby's people. Maybe you know what a dairy

585
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: queen would be chill, Yeah, Like I mean I think

586
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,239
Speaker 1: about like getting up in the morning, like that's one

587
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: of the signs to move out of a place. As

588
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: you get up and you read that, like we don't

589
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: have room for all the dead people, Like, all right,

590
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: I'm leaving. Uh So. The head of Miami's Police Benevolent

591
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: Association warned that the criminal justice system could no longer

592
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: protect people and urged citizens to arm themselves, which again

593
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: not a great sign. Uh So, while all this is happening,

594
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: Griselda is making billions and billions of dollars, but she's

595
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: also grown more and more paranoid, partly because she's smoking

596
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: even more bazooka now and partly because tons of people

597
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: want her dead because she's that would be hard. Yeah yeah,

598
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: um So she's both paranoid and actually being hunted by people.

599
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: She mostly sticks to her homes, which now included in

600
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: a Miami mansion as well as the Biscayne Bay penthouse.

601
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: The mansion had a bronze bust of her face at

602
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: the entryway. Up and coming drug lords who visited the

603
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: Godmother took to rubbing the bust for good luck. One

604
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: of these enterprising youngsters was apparently a man named Pablo Escobar.

605
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: Again just one of that back in her life, back

606
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: in her life. Well, he's learning, you know. Yeah, Pablo

607
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: is always good at learning from teachers. That's what everyone

608
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: knows him for. Wow. Well, you know, do you think

609
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: that she could have gotten out of the business at

610
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: this point if she wanted to. I feel like it's

611
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 1: something Once you're in it, you're in it for life. Definitely,

612
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: once you've got a couple hundred murders that you've ordered,

613
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: there's probably no going back. You're right, because it's one

614
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: of those things. She could have gone back to Columbia

615
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: and been safer from the ops. But then, like there's

616
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: got to be a shipload of people who win are

617
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: dead in Columbia. She so, she it's not worth it.

618
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: I mean, being having millions of dollars in multiple homes

619
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: but never knowing at what point you're going to die? Yeah,

620
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I guess we're all going to die.

621
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: But like, even if she moved to a different country

622
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: that she's never been to before, I still feel like

623
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: I'd be looking over my shoulder the rest of my life. Well,

624
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: that's the downside of like drug money that you have

625
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: to kill people for, is that you never like, you're

626
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: never safe um So, grisse Old was on top at

627
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: this point, but she's basically hiding in her massive houses

628
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: doing shiploads of cocaine. She turned to increasingly uh wild

629
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: parties in order to kind of take her mind off

630
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: the threat of impending death or legal Actually, she's in

631
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: her forties. She's like, she's like. During this time, she

632
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: was known to force both men and women to have

633
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: sex with her at gunpoint. She's also accused of having

634
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: frequent bisexual orgies at her mansions. Um again, it's hard

635
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: to tell. This is what the cops say that she

636
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: was doing. Um So, it's hard to tell if they're

637
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: just trying to slander her or if she is just

638
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: Has she spoken about her sexual life before, not about

639
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: this stuff, okay, but she talked about running topless when

640
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: she was fourteen. Yeah, she talked about that. She told

641
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: that to one of her lovers. But you probably wouldn't

642
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: talk about your frequent bisexual orgies. I mean, if I

643
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: had million, I already do that now, But if I had,

644
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: But I'm not kidding. If he and I talk about

645
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: sexual stuff on our podcast all the time, but we're

646
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: also were exactly so I hear both millennials so, um,

647
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: I hear frequent bisexual orgies now and there's nothing bad

648
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: about it. But in THEE they clearly meant it as

649
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: a slur when the cops Yeah yeah, um, now everyone's

650
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: gonna think I have orgies. I haven't. It's on my

651
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: to do list, and I want to make it clear

652
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: that behind the bastards of the show has nothing wrong

653
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: with frequent bisexual orgies. I get what you're saying. Like,

654
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: at the time, the cops were trying to slander her.

655
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: Maybe she did this, maybe, and so they use that

656
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: as opposed to like murdering a hundred people, So instead

657
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: they use like, oh, but also, she's bisexual, has sex parties.

658
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: This is America. Were always more scared of sex than violent. Yeah,

659
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: well we're great at violence, we're not good at you know,

660
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: being healthy sexually. Yeah, it's like she's murdered people. But

661
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: also she's not a lady. Yeah yeah, but also she's

662
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: not Christian. Okay, so she's a billionaire. Now she's indulging

663
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: in rich people passions, buying, like buying lots of dumb

664
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: expensive stuff. Griselda Blanco purchased a gold plated Mactin machine

665
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: pistol with in late Emeralds. She owned a set of

666
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: Eva Paron's pearls and a t set that had once

667
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: been property of the Queen of England. Um. So she's

668
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: like buying crazy rich person stuff and having parties, which

669
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: is what you do if you're a billionaire and wanted

670
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: by a bunch of criminals. Yeah. Um. Her third husband,

671
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: Dario Sepulvida, started spending one and more time in Colombia

672
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: in the early eighties. Griselda eventually learned that he was

673
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: cheating on her, and she did the thing. Yeah, exactly exactly.

674
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: Your wife's name is the Bacu widow. Don't funk with her.

675
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 1: Oh man, what if they're like terrified, So they're like

676
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: confiding in the arms of another because they're so scared

677
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: that they like have an emotional partner, you know, like

678
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: emotional cheating. And then she kills them. And then she yeah, well, yeah,

679
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 1: you've you've kind of anticipated what's about to happen. Uh.

680
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: She hires a bunch of assassins to dress his police officers,

681
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,959
Speaker 1: pull over Dario's car and machine gun him to death.

682
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: In Metaine. Her son, five year old Michael Corleone, was

683
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: in the backseat of the car at the time. Um.

684
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: Having people killed next to their kids was kind of

685
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: a pattern for Griselda. In two, she tried to kill

686
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: a rival coke dealer, Jesus Castro, for making fun of

687
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: her son's but I think her assassins had missed Castro

688
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: but hit and killed his two year old son, who

689
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: was also in the car. In eighty three, she had

690
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: a married couple murdered while their children were in the

691
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: adjacent room. Um, and she actually wanted the kids killed,

692
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: I think, but her assassins were like, we're not going

693
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: to go that far. Um. Yeah, So she's she's fully

694
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: off the fucking chain at this point. By night eighty four,

695
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: she'd made a lot of enemies and had a bounty

696
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: more than four million dollars on her head from everyone,

697
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: like multiple different people. So all of the Godfather's got

698
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: together and put a bounty on several of them. Did

699
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: she had allies to No, no, no, no, okay, no

700
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: that she she like she has piste off everybody. They

701
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: did one of those roundtable things where it was like

702
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: all the heads of the families got together, this lady

703
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: is crazy and we need to kill her. Um. She

704
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: claimed that she loved being at war, but repeated at

705
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: hymns in her life finally convinced her to flee Miami

706
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: for Irvine, California, the real place to die. Yeah, that's

707
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: that's the motto of her right. It's a good place

708
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: to die, a good place to be forgotten. Oh wow,

709
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: So it was an Irvine in The police finally caught

710
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: up with her. They knocked on the door of the

711
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: home she shared with her mother and young son, Michael Corleone,

712
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: and arrested the god Mother. It's that name. That's why

713
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: gave it away. It's very clear she's Yeah. So they

714
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: find her lying in bed with her bible. The officer

715
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: who arrested her, a guy named Palumbo, kissed her on

716
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: the cheek as a handcuffed her because he promised to

717
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: do that for some reason. I don't know. Cops are weird. Um.

718
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: So yeah. So now the Godmother, after almost twenty years

719
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: in the coke business and billions of dollars, has been

720
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: caught by the police. Her past is cut up with

721
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: her and she's about to go to prison. And we're

722
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: going to get into what happens in prison after the

723
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: break and we're back. Uh, we're talking about Roseldo Blanco.

724
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: She has been arrested in nineteen five. The police had

725
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: a very strong case against her. Um, they were able

726
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: to get her long bisexual. Yeah, yeah, exactly. They locked

727
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: her up for being bisexual. Um. But yeah, they were

728
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: able to get her in prison for like a decade

729
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: or so, But they didn't have quite enough to put

730
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: her away for life, because you know, she was smart,

731
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: she keeps her Yeah, yeah. Um. Their hope was that

732
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: while she was locked up, they'd be able to dig

733
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: up enough dirt to convict her of murder. Griselda wound

734
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: up taking like a special plea deal to get her

735
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: sentence locked in at twenty years, which was a pretty

736
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: good deal considering the two fifty murders the state blamed

737
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: on her. Um. But she's behind bars for a while now. Um.

738
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: Her arrest and the subsequent revelations about her life of

739
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: crime were big news. She became known as the Queen

740
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: of Cocaine and the subject of many lurid daytime TV

741
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: news profiles and one man, a street level coke dealer

742
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: from Oakland named Charles Cosby, saw one of these daytime

743
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: TV things and became obsessed with the Queen of cocaine.

744
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: He happened to have a connection to her in prison,

745
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: and so he wrote her a note quote, godmother, I

746
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: think you're the greatest queen to ever sit on the throne.

747
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: I've admired you ever since I first heard of you.

748
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, and I salute you for being a

749
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: real woman. Unquote. I'm not gonna lie. That sounds like

750
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: some of the d M that I get. I'm not kidding.

751
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: I will show you after this. It'll be like some

752
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: guy called me my beautiful sweat Queen. I think he

753
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: meant to say sweet yeah, and so I like screenshot it.

754
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: I cut out his name whatever. He didn't deserve that

755
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: because he was a rando and I get a lot

756
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: of random creepy dudes. But it was like, my beautiful

757
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,479
Speaker 1: sweat Queen. And then I just asked everybody to start

758
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: calling me that, my beautiful queen. Your gorgeous eye like,

759
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: oh man, I feel like sweat Queen is a solid

760
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: like young shirt. I sweat. You're right, you're right. Yeah,

761
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: I can't be the queen again then that that's reserved

762
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: for Beyonce. But I can be a sweat queen for sure.

763
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: Sweat Queen Uh. So, yeah, that's the letter he writes her.

764
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: He also tells her he wants to meet her in person.

765
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: Three days later, Cosby gets a phone call. Uh. Griselda

766
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: asked if she could talk to him, and you know

767
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: when he answered, she asked why he was interested in her.

768
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: Cosby responded that he wanted to quote rub elbows with

769
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: a legend. The wart up talking for an hour. The

770
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: pair struck up a friendship and then a romance. Soon

771
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: they were talking every day. Griselda told Cosby her whole

772
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: life story, or at least the parts of it she

773
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: wanted to tell and wasn't afraid to reveal over a

774
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: jail house phone line. The version of her story we

775
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: hear from him is a lot more sympathetic. For example,

776
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: the guy that she had shot in front of her son,

777
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: she as it was because he kidnapped her kid um.

778
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: And the other is that she just thought he was

779
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: cheating and murdered a third husband. Um. But anyway, Cosby,

780
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: if you watch the documentary Cocaine Cowboys Too, which is

781
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: on Netflix, yeah, there's there's two coke and they're not.

782
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: It's weird because like the information and the docs is good.

783
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: They have a lot of really good interviews with people

784
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: who were like smugglers at the time. But it's like

785
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: they're hideous, is the only way to describe it. Like

786
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: the the editing and the art is just just the worst.

787
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll watch it, Maybe I'll audio, Yeah you could.

788
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: It's like cooking in the other room and can hear it.

789
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: It's the perfect documentary to cook while it's on somewhere

790
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: else and you're not looking at the screen. That's what

791
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 1: I do most of the time when I'm watching something.

792
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I answer my emails and just casually have

793
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: this season on in the background. Yeah, Like the second

794
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: one deals more with Griselda's life, and it it animates

795
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: stuff like that time that her mom attacked her and

796
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: she ran topless through the night. But it does it

797
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: in like the grossest way possible, where it's almost like

798
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: this is like fucking poor, Like what were you thinking

799
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: and putting this together? Um? Was it made by this guy?

800
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: He's their main source, and so the documentary is not

801
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: very credible towards him like it does it doesn't question

802
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: him on anything. And I think we'll talk about Cosby

803
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: once you hear a little bit more about him. But

804
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: he's an interesting character. Um, and clearly he has his

805
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: own angles and everything that he's saying. So again, like

806
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: we never know anything about this woman. Um, we just

807
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: have a bunch of different stories. Did she even exist?

808
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: She definitely exists, do I mean? Do we have rebirth certificate?

809
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: We have her audio that we're going to play, Okay, Um,

810
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: so yeah. After a few days of phone calls, Uh,

811
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: Cosby visits Griselda in prison. He immediately noticed that while

812
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: every other prisoner wore a standard issue prison jumpsuit, Griselda

813
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: had on a silk jack. Yes, white silk pan, red

814
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: pumps and a ton of makeup. Before you even said,

815
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's going to say silk and it was

816
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: the first thing that came out of your mouth. Yes,

817
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: oh I respect it. Maybe, Oh yeah. They start making

818
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: out immediately in the visitors room, just going, don't even

819
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: count on each other, and then they like fuck in

820
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: this like little private ish area. She apparently bribed the

821
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: guards fifteen hundred dollars every time he visited she she's

822
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: a billionaire. I mean, I know, but you think that

823
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: they would like take her assets or something? Why? Because

824
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 1: they're illegal? I mean I assume she's got her money

825
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: in foreign banks and stuff like, if you're that level

826
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: of drug impresario, you don't lose your money just because

827
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: you go behind bars. Um. So she promised that she

828
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: would make Cosby rich, and she cut him in on

829
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: some of her business dealings. Um. She was continuing to

830
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: manage her cocaine empire from behind bars. Her network had

831
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: shrunk since she got arrested, but she was still netting

832
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: like fifty million a year in profits. Um. Forty five

833
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: days after he met her, Cosby claims he was a

834
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: millionaire too. He went from slinging ounces to selling hundreds

835
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: of pounds of blow. Cosby visited Griselda in prison every week. So, uh,

836
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: prison was not the same thing for Griselda that it

837
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: was or anybody else in prison. Her status is a

838
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: billionaire and her just rock her rhythma meant that life

839
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: didn't change all that much once she was inside. She

840
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: bribed guards to bring her money, cocaine, Colombian sausages, and perfume.

841
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: Um for a time. Allways, well, Griselda fell madly in

842
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: love with Charles Cosby, and the two carried out a

843
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: surprisingly intimate relationship, considering she was incarcerated the whole time.

844
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: There's a couple of pictures of them at the jail definitely. Look,

845
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: Oh is that them like outside? Yeah, it's like out

846
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: in the yard or something. Yeah, dang, look at home.

847
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: My gosh, she's she's dressed right, yeah, look at her

848
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: pose in like little princess. Yeah. So we'll have those

849
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 1: pictures up on our website behind the Bastards dot com,

850
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: so you can see Charles Cosby and the cocaine godmother

851
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: um just sort of having a nice, nice little picnic

852
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: at prison. Um. In r three older sons were released

853
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 1: from prison, her enemies almost immediately set to murdering them. Yeah,

854
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: well that's kind of what happens. Oswaldo was killed in

855
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: Metaine at a cell laboration for his release at Hilton.

856
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: He was a machine gun to death. Cosby, who informed Griselda,

857
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: says she screamed for like minutes when she heard that

858
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: her son was dead. She wrote a note that was

859
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: read at her son's Colombian funeral to the cowards who

860
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: killed my son, the ground will shake beneath your feet.

861
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: This deed will be punished. And a few days later

862
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: the killers were caught and tortured for like a week

863
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: before being executed. Um, Griselda was still formidable even though

864
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: she was behind bars. She was strong, but she was

865
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: not stronger than Charles Cosby's desire to have sex more

866
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: than once a week. Started cheating on her with some lady.

867
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: Did he not read or did he not know? He

868
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: was obsessed with her? This? Yeah, I feel like I mean,

869
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: he probably thought he could get away with it because

870
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: she was in prison, but clearly she had people spying

871
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 1: on him from prison because one day, as he's heading home,

872
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: he gets a warning from Griselda, which is two guys

873
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: driving up and firing machine guns into his car. His

874
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: car is shot twelve times and he takes a bullet

875
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: in the arm. I don't think that was a warning.

876
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: I think they were trying to murder him. That's a

877
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: warning for her. I think they were trying to murder

878
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: I feel like, if there's only twelve holes in his car,

879
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: that was like her putting like she had kid gloves

880
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: on still, because she she calls him as soon as

881
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: he gets home. So he's like staggers home in a

882
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: shot up car, bleeding from the arm and gets a

883
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: phone call and she tells him to meet her at

884
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: the prison the next day, which he does because yeah,

885
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: what else do you do? When he arrives, she just

886
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: starts strangling him in the visiting room and all the

887
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: guards are watching and just don't do anything like. She

888
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,959
Speaker 1: just throttles him for like a couple of minutes until

889
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: he manages to get away, and he shouts at her

890
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: and tells her that if she ever tries it again,

891
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: he'll beat the ship out of her. She just stares

892
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: at him and says, Charles, You're no more a threat

893
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: to me than a fly is on my shirt. And again,

894
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: this is Cosby's recollection of what happened. Um, it's kind

895
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: of incredible He's alive at all. Given Griselda's history and

896
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 1: murdered husband's, she must really care about him. I think

897
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 1: she did, because she told him she loved him a bunch.

898
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: And in his recollection of events, he claims that he

899
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: was able to get her to see re reason by

900
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 1: basically saying like, look, I love you, I'm in love

901
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: with you, but you're stuck in prison and I'm a

902
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: man like once a week isn't enough for me, and

903
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: she like agreed that made sense and forgave him. Um,

904
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: which is, you know, pretty progressive. It's kind of like

905
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: prison polyamory almost. Um So, Griselda seemed to be pretty

906
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: happy with her love life, but things were not going

907
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: nearly so well on the legal end of things. The

908
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: authorities had continued to pursue her. Since she'd made her

909
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: plea deal. She wasn't as blamed on creating the crime

910
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: wave that turned Miami into a battleground. The show Miami

911
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: Vices based on the drug war she had united. Uh so, yeah,

912
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: the cops kept after her. In a n she was

913
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 1: indicted for three murders. Now, murder indictments weren't a new

914
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: thing for Griselda, but these ones were scary because her

915
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: former hit man, a guy named Rivy, had turned state's

916
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: witness against her. Cosby says Griselda had a mental breakdown

917
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: when Rivy flipped. Among other things, Rivy testified that Griselda

918
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: had paid him fifty thou dollars to assassinate a man

919
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: while her three year old son, Michael Corleone, was in

920
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: the room. She said, Rivy has enough dirt on me

921
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: to put me on death row ten times. She who

922
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: was facing the death penalty in that fact, terrifighter. Cosby

923
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: didn't understand her panic. He was like, you're a billionaire,

924
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: We've got to spend twenty or thirty million fighting this thing.

925
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: Let's just let's just do that. Um. But she told

926
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: him she had a way out of the situation. UM. Again.

927
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: He kept suggesting we should hire a lawyer. But Griselda

928
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: had a better idea than hiring a lawyer. She was

929
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: going to kidnap the president's son. Um. So she told

930
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: him she needed a favor. The president of the United States,

931
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: well a president of the United States. Um. She told

932
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: him she needed a favor, reached into her brazier and

933
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: handed him a piece of paper that had JFK five

934
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: m n why written on it. She told her to

935
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: get him to give it to an associate of hers.

936
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: Cosby asked what the paper mint, and Griselda said, we're

937
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: going to move against Kennedy, who you know, the president's son.

938
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: We're going to kidnap JFK in New York and we're

939
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: gonna give five million dollars to the kidnappers. So she's

940
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: decided to kidnap JFK Jr. The son of the murdered president,

941
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 1: who at this point is kind of like a playboy

942
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: socialite living in New York City. By throwing him into

943
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: a van in and then ransom him for her freedom.

944
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: He'd be released once her plane touchdown in Columbia. Cosby

945
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: flew to New York with four Columbians and a hundred

946
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Ironically landed in JFK Airport. They bought a

947
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: van in nice clothing and started stalking JFK Jr. That's hilarious.

948
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: She could have just used millions of dollars to bribe

949
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: all the like jury and just Hi, what's his name?

950
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 1: The crazy haired guy who got lawyers? Yeah, what's his name?

951
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: Off o j Off, Like that guy was still alive

952
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: back then, he could have done it. But no, she

953
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: decides to kidnap the president's son. Um. So apparently the

954
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: three kidnappers got close enough to do the deed at

955
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: one point that a random police car happened to pass

956
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: by and they lost their nerve. What happens next is

957
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: a little bit unclear. He's also like one of the

958
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: most watched people as opposed to like kidnapping somebody else.

959
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: You're kidnapping somebody that has like constant security. Well, he

960
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: apparently didn't have bodyguards at this point, so he okay, yeah,

961
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: how old was he he was? I think he was

962
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: linking his thirties rely, Uh he was. I mean he

963
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: didn't live that much longer after this is it the

964
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: plain thing? But yeah, So Charles Cosby claims that he

965
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: realized kidnapping the present son was a bad idea, uh,

966
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: and but that he was willing to do it for her,

967
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: and then the plan got spoiled because of a phone

968
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: conversation that they had. Uh this conversation actually, which is

969
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 1: where you'll get to hear Griselda Blanco talking to Charles

970
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: Cosby about the JFK kidnapping How are you man? I'm

971
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: doing true good man? Couse, Michael dor I got come

972
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: to give you a microL trup so so, so I

973
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: h a JFK plan come together after. I'm glad to

974
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: bear that, you know. But but you you'd be sure

975
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: to be careful though, you know, I mean, just always

976
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: know what you're doing at the time. You know. I

977
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: love you. I didn't do today tomorrow. I love you

978
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: so I love you always. Okay, okay, okay, okay, baby, okay,

979
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: But so that sounds to me like he's trying to

980
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: set her up to admit something about just like the

981
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: way his voice sounds on that. Um So, there's a

982
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: couple different versions of the timeline. Cosby claims that he uh,

983
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: he flew back to California and had this phone call

984
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: with her, and then the police were at his door

985
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: because they realized something was going on with JFK. He

986
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: gets a poenut and he was forced to testify. Um.

987
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: The more likely thing is that Cosby flew straight to

988
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: Miami and got in connection with the police who were

989
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: investigating Griselda and set this all up so that he

990
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: could turn her in to try to get free from

991
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: a shipload of crimes that he committed. Um and I

992
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: think that's what happened. Um So, prosecutors at this point

993
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: are pretty sure that got Griselda dead to rights, both

994
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: Cosby and her former hit man. We're willing to roll

995
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: on her for a litany of her if it crimes.

996
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: But then during the deposition, uh, Cosby got up to

997
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: go to the restroom. While he was walking back to

998
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: the room, he claims he was approached by one of

999
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: the secretaries from the Major Crimes Division of the Dade

1000
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: County Prosecutor's office, and I'm going to play a selection

1001
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: from the documentary where he explains how this interaction went down.

1002
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: As I'm leaving a bathroom, almost bumped head on into

1003
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: a secretary. She was, you know, a nice looking lady.

1004
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: She smiled and I smiled. She reached out her hand

1005
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: and pressed a piece of paper in my hand, so

1006
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: open my hand. I folded the paper. It basically said, Charles,

1007
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: I think you're cute and I would like to meet

1008
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: up with you later at your hotel. So I spawned,

1009
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, I went my you know the number, you

1010
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: know where I'm staying at. She walked off, her little

1011
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: slim ass, switching down the hallway in her skirt. So

1012
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: I laughed at myself and I went back to the

1013
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: Prosecutor's office. So uh. He claims. She visited him at

1014
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: his hotel later that night and they had sex. She

1015
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: swarmed a secrecy, But six months later it turned out

1016
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: that the secretary had also started a sex relationship with Rivy,

1017
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: the cartel hitman, who was the other major witness against Griselda.

1018
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: Here's how a book and this is again this is

1019
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: very weird and complicated, but basically both of the state's

1020
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: major witnesses have now engaged in a sexual relationship with

1021
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: the same person. Yeah, well, and Rivy is engaged in

1022
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: it with two secretaries phone sex. Here's how the book

1023
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: Queen Pens describes what Rivy did with the two major

1024
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: crime secretaries. Fancying himself an artist, he sent the secretary's

1025
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: pencil sketches of flowers and cute hand drawn Garfield the

1026
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: cat sketches as opposed to actual flowers. Okay, well, I

1027
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: mean he's in he's in prison. Oh yeah, he could

1028
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: still get him ordered, but continue, Yeah, and Garfield the

1029
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: cat sketches. That's the most romantic, mean is it? Yeah?

1030
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: What's more romantic than gars? Like a depressed you know,

1031
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: um snarky like yeah, yeah, okay, but you're criticizing this guy.

1032
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: But clearly it worked. He would aso give the secretaries

1033
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: money to buy gifts for themselves. In return, they made

1034
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 1: arrangements for his wife to visit him in jail while

1035
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 1: here she got pregnant. The secretaries were apparently in love

1036
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: with Rivy. One of them described the cold blooded killer

1037
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: as a sweetheart. It's another quote from Queenpen's Another secretary

1038
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: set up like a Thanksgiving dinner to be delivered to

1039
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: his jail cell. Um. Eventually they started having phone conversations

1040
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: that were straight up pornographic. Uh, and two secretaries were

1041
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: eventually suspended for having phone sex with Rivy. Then the

1042
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: prosecutors found out that Cosby had also had sex with

1043
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: one of these secretaries, and so that basically meant that

1044
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: neither of these guys could deliver their testimonies from the state. Um,

1045
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: they've been compromised and they were no longer credible. So

1046
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: suddenly a slam dunk case against Griselda goes away completely

1047
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 1: because both of the major witnesses had sex. We can't

1048
00:52:55,440 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: help prosec secretaries. Neither could those secretaries. Yeah, it's it's funny.

1049
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: In the documentary about this, the police are still furious

1050
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: all these years later that like this happened and it

1051
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: just blew this case out of the water. There is

1052
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: a widespread belief that Rivy and Cosby did this deliberately

1053
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: to discredit the case and also avoid having to snitch

1054
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: on Griselda. So this was like a plan that they

1055
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: carried out to both It wasn't you think that you

1056
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: think they're just suck Yeah, No, it wasn't. They were

1057
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: thinking with not with their head head, and and Cosby

1058
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: doesn't strike me as a guy who's smart enough to

1059
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: plan something right, Well, my beautiful queen. Um, Yeah, so

1060
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: Griselda Blanco was released from prison in two thousand four. Um.

1061
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: She was flown to Columbia and pretty much everyone expected

1062
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: she'd be murdered in a matter of days. Two of

1063
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: her sons had already been killed after being sent back there,

1064
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: so this was a safe bet. But Griselda lived another

1065
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: eight years in a fancy neighborhood and medine walking out

1066
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: in the open without bodyguards. And then on September four,

1067
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: two thou twelve, Griselda Blanco, the Black Widow, the cocaine godmother,

1068
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: walked to a butcher's shop her home and purchased a

1069
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pounds of meat. As she was walking away,

1070
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: a man on a motorcycle drove up to the now

1071
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: sixty nine year old and shot her twice at very

1072
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: close range. She bled to death on the street next

1073
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: to an impossible quantity of meat and apparently a bible. Wow,

1074
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: so symbolic to God? What a hundred and fifty pounds

1075
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: of meat? Yeah? What is that? One pound for each person?

1076
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: She's murdered. Every Bible was there. This was like if

1077
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: it was written as like a screenplay or something, you know,

1078
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: the like imagery and stuff they want you to pick

1079
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: up on. Um okay one again with the motorcyclist murders. Yeah,

1080
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: she's killed the way she with her own innovation, you know.

1081
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: And she's there with meat, which is something that she has,

1082
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: you know, cost the lives of others that they were

1083
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: nothing but just you know, dead, lifeless meat to her,

1084
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: so that you're you're interpreting it the deep way. To me,

1085
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: I'm just imagining the sixty nine year old lady with

1086
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: a sack of meat the size of a man, just

1087
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: struggling down the street in the middle tip of the

1088
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: day and Metaine. But maybe she knew she was going

1089
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: to go out that way. She's like, I might as well. Yeah,

1090
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: my cross is a man worth of um so uh yeah,

1091
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 1: it's probably worth including a little you know, that doesn't

1092
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: really even make sense because she should have servants with

1093
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: the amount of money she has. You know, she was

1094
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: with like I think one of her nieces or something

1095
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: like that, but it's still was her niece watching her

1096
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: carry the one pounds by herself there's no details on that,

1097
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: but I hope that. I hope that was like it

1098
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: wasn't even broken up. It was like she was carrying

1099
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: the full load. Um, I just can't imagine her having

1100
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: all that money and like like even my my family

1101
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: and like Brazilia like servants, So I imagine that she

1102
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 1: would have a full class of you know, but it's

1103
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: kind of a thing, and I think this happens sometimes

1104
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: to people who like grow up super poor and then

1105
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: get rich, where like you kind of want to do

1106
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: some things yourself. And maybe she had a bronze thing

1107
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: of her own face. I don't, but that's just that's

1108
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: just bragging. Yeah, I don't. I don't know if I

1109
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: agree with that, but well, and I don't know. It

1110
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: may it may have been like the stories just say

1111
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: she bought a hundred fifty pounds of meat, so maybe

1112
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 1: it was going to be sent to her house or something.

1113
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: Maybe she didn't even have it with her. Yeah, I'm

1114
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: just choosing to Why would they include that in the story?

1115
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I had to once I read

1116
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: it was a hundred and fifty pounds. No, no, I'm saying,

1117
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: why would they include that in there? If she wasn't

1118
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: if she didn't die with it. It was like she

1119
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: made some layaway order to be delivered at a different date. Well.

1120
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's what she did. I just

1121
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: know that her last act in life was buying a

1122
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pounds of me and carrying it with her.

1123
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: And I choose to believe she was carrying it over

1124
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: her shoulder with a giant sack. Yeah, and her bible

1125
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: in another hand. Yeah. The niece or whoever who was

1126
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: with her says that she had a Bible in her

1127
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: hand that she clutched to her chest as she bled

1128
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: to death. But again, that may just be something one

1129
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: of her family members threw in for some extra color.

1130
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: And she had her full rosary with her and she

1131
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: was on the tenth one when she passed. Got it. Yeah, Um,

1132
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: it's probably worth including a little PostScript about her kids.

1133
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: As I said, two of them died in the Cocaine Wars.

1134
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: Michael corleone the youngest state in the United States. After

1135
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: his mother was released from prison, he never returned to

1136
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: Columbia because two of his brothers had died doing exactly

1137
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: that thing. So from age twelve on he was raised

1138
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: by a series of legal guardians that he picked himself.

1139
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: He would just find people that his mom had worked

1140
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: with and say, I'm going to live in your house

1141
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna pay you rent, and you're going to

1142
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: be my guardian. Um Cosby claims that he took care

1143
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: of Michael Corleone while Griselda was in prisoning. Michael for

1144
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: his part, says Cosby as a liar, and the whole

1145
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: JFK scheme was also a lie that he made up

1146
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: so that he couldn't sell Griselda out to the police

1147
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: and avoid murder charges for ship he'd done. Um the

1148
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: police aren't saying either way, so we'll never know. But

1149
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: Cosby's a freeman today as far as I know. UH.

1150
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: An FBI report released after Kennedy's death does show that

1151
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: agents couldn't prove that there had ever been a threat

1152
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: against him, but that doesn't mean one way or the

1153
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: other that it wasn't real. Michael and his mother kept

1154
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: in touch after her release, although he never saw her

1155
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: again because yeah, you know, Columbia was a death trap

1156
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: for him. On May twelve, two thousand twelve, a couple

1157
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: of months before his mom was killed, he was charged

1158
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: with trying to buy five kilos of cocaine from an

1159
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: undercover cop with ten thousand dollars cash, a motorcycle, and

1160
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: a diamond studded necklace with the phrase kill all Rats

1161
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: written into it. Uh. He seems to have gotten out

1162
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: of any serious trouble though, because he's a freeman today

1163
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: and active on Facebook. He's out of the cocaine game.

1164
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: But today he sells a different drug. Can you guess

1165
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: what kind of businesses in now? I'm just kidding. Now

1166
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: he sells vape products under the Pure Blanco label. UM,

1167
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: and his vaporizer products are like packaged in like a

1168
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: little box that looks like a kilo bag of cocaine.

1169
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: Kind of. I thought you're going to say that he's

1170
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: like and now you can catch him on Tinder, which

1171
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: people have. I'm sure you can. Um. Yeah, So I'm

1172
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: I'd like to close this episode by reading his latest

1173
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: post from April to everyone that has been asking, yes,

1174
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: this is our official product and we have invaded the market.

1175
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: We have all certifications and thorough testing of our product,

1176
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: like Griselda used to test that Pure Blanco. Nothing but

1177
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: the finest on this side. You want to buy some

1178
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: d m s you want to distribute for us d

1179
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: M S. Salute our business partners at wakend Vape. We

1180
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: about to blow this up. Uh. Pure Blanco is also

1181
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: a lifestyle clothing brand. You can visit their website pure

1182
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: blanco dot com right now in order Griselda Blanco themed

1183
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: hoodies and T shirts. I mean, I hope they're paying

1184
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: you for this ad because maybe they'll hit you up

1185
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: and send you some stuff. I will take anything Pure

1186
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: Blanco wants to send my way. Um. I feel like

1187
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: like it's one of those things I kind of want

1188
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: to make fun of Michael Corleone, but he's had like

1189
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: his dad and a bunch of people murdered in front

1190
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: of him, Like, and his name is Michael Corleon. This

1191
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: seems like the best case scenario for that he sells

1192
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: vaping products and hoodies. UM. So that's like, that's like

1193
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: naming like being a sailor or something, naming your son

1194
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: Jack Sparrow or just going through the rest of his

1195
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: life as Jack Sparrow. It's so weird to me that

1196
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: someone like her would be like everything like her whole life,

1197
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: Like every year something happened to her that was crazier

1198
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: than anything that went down in the Godfather, and like

1199
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: she still was drawn enough to that movie to name

1200
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: her kid and after that that's weird, it's funny. Yeah,

1201
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: I guess aspirational, you're Seldo Blanco. I still need the

1202
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: brawl with the cocaine in it. That's god, I'd be

1203
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: wild at parties. So do you think the two different

1204
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: versions of her that are in my head right now?

1205
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: Or either she's like a stone cold, sociopathic badass, which

1206
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:54,919
Speaker 1: is what I thought when I first started reading about

1207
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: the ship she did. But like the more I got

1208
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: into her story and like hearing her actual voice, I

1209
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: feel like she was just a person who got into

1210
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: a really ugly line of business and like was smart

1211
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: but always just sort of acting out of fear to

1212
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: not get killed herself. I don't know if she was

1213
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: like um without emotions. She kind of reminds me of

1214
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: like a Walter White esque person where it was like

1215
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: she kind of fell into this and then um has

1216
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: definitely murdered people, but but also kind of like probably

1217
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: still has feelings for you know, the family members and

1218
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: loved ones and things like that, where she's not just

1219
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: completely cold blooded. Yeah, it's not like a dial tone inside,

1220
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: but she's just able to like switch into murder mode

1221
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: when she gets real, yeah, when she feels threatened. Maybe

1222
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: it was something that she felt like she had to do. Yeah,

1223
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: because that call between her and Cosby, like she sounds

1224
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: almost like genuinely like desperate in her in her I

1225
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: don't know how I would be as a woman back

1226
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: in that day, because I can't imagine someone telling me no,

1227
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that she heard that constantly. So you know,

1228
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: maybe she felt like she had to be this badass

1229
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: in order to be successful, and she was. She was

1230
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: like one of the most successful women, even though she

1231
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: murdered a bunch of people. Yeah, and for someone who

1232
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: was born dirt poor and had to like had to

1233
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: work as a prostitute on the streets in order to

1234
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: make ends meet, to go in like the space of

1235
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: five or six years from that to a billionaire. Yeah,

1236
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: Like she like clearly if she had grown up at

1237
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: another time and had access to like more opportunities, she

1238
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: could have been running Microsoft or whatever right now. Like

1239
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: she's got that that combination of business smarts and ruthlessness

1240
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: that you need to succeed in capitalism. There was no

1241
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: legal avenue for yeah. I always think it's fascinating to

1242
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: to look at because there's so many murder shows. I

1243
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: feel like like true crime that that look in a

1244
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: true crime. But as far as the psychology of like

1245
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: would we do that if we had a billion dollars,

1246
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: like just get people we didn't like murdered? You know.

1247
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: I this sounds really dark, but I do think it's

1248
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: like whenever they do those college studies and they like

1249
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: give these college students like literally ten hours of power,

1250
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: and they all want to kill each other. So it's

1251
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: like just looking at human nature instead of looking at

1252
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: us like she's a horrible, ruthless person, which she was ruthless,

1253
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: but like also looking at what is what would the

1254
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: average human being do if they had a billion dollars

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Speaker 1: And we're also smoking pounds of uncut cocaine. Yes exactly,

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Speaker 1: so you're like highly stressed outrage Um. Yeah, yeah, So

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Speaker 1: Griselda Blanco, I want to go back before we close

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Speaker 1: out to the quote that I opened this with where

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Speaker 1: she called herself the baddest bitch to ever take a

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Speaker 1: breath of life. How do you feel about that? On

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Speaker 1: the other end of this look, I told you who

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Speaker 1: that is so you're still Beyonce probably could get people

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Speaker 1: murdered if she wanted to. But she has and I

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Speaker 1: don't think that I'm aware of. Um, she has that

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Speaker 1: type of money, So yeah, I I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: think that if she was the baddest bitch, maybe she

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have been caught. Yeah. So, but I mean they

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Speaker 1: all get I'll say this. I feel like if she had,

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Speaker 1: if she was a young woman today, she could put

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Speaker 1: on a kick ass Coachella. Yeah, yeah that's true. Yeah, Um,

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Speaker 1: but I I think she's yeah, a bad bitch. But

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Speaker 1: her wanting to kill little kids kind of also yeah

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Speaker 1: turned off? Yeah yeah, that is a that is does decline.

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Speaker 1: See what you do, um is you kill the parents

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Speaker 1: and you take the kid under your wing, like if

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Speaker 1: she's watched any you know, nineties movie ever. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: then those kids kill you, like always have. We got

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Speaker 1: like Kylo Reren and stuff out here. So yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I hear you. You're damned if you do, damned if

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Speaker 1: you don't. So you might as well have the kid's

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Speaker 1: machine gun. Okay, but I may have been doing this

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Speaker 1: podcast too long, alright, this has been behind the bastards.

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Speaker 1: I've been Robert Evans, and my guest for today has

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Speaker 1: been Danny Fernandez. Danny, you want to tell the people

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Speaker 1: where they can find you on the inner Net. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of a lot of the topics that we cover. Awesome, uh.

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