1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are on Ditty Watch. 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: That's right. The claw is ticking it down on Nancy Grace. 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: being with us. That's right. We are on Ditty Watch. 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Straight out to TISA Tails joining us TISA Tales on 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: YouTube TASA Tails. What do we expect to go down 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: in the courtroom tomorrow? Number one? Will Sean Combs make 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: a star appearance in person or in court or will 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: Shawn Combs aka Ditty be on the big screen again 10 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: in other words, remote video from the jail TISA Tels. 11 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: What are the expected arguments? What are we expecting tomorrow? 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: Well, we are expecting Sean Didty Colms to come into 13 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: the courtroom once again and make a mockery out of 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: the legal system. This man is doing a victory lab. 15 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: I don't know why because at the end of the 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: day didn't get all five charges. Absolutely not. But he 17 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: has two serious charges that are sex crimes and are 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: sex trafficking agenda adjacent. Okay, but again, did he lives 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 2: in delusion land and it seems like that delusion actually 20 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: did work out? 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: Will he be in court tomorrow? What's his other option? 22 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 3: To be in his jail cell with the rats and 23 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 3: roaches awaiting his bell, hearing Sean Diddy Cumbs can't wait 24 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: to put on his Bill Cosby sweater, to stroll in there, 25 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 3: to say love. 26 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 4: To see his family clap like the head coach has 27 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 4: just come to win the championship game. Now, I will 28 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 4: say one thing I do expect also, or at least 29 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 4: I hope. I hope Sean Diddy Coombs supporters act a 30 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 4: full tomorrow. I hope they remind everyone and keep it 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 4: in fresh everybody's mind who this man is, who supporters are, 32 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 4: and what if he is allowed on. 33 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: The street will actually happen. 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: Last time the courtout was in pandemonium and had to 35 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: get locked down. I hope that his supporters come out 36 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: and embarrass him to an important message to the judge 37 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: about what. 38 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: This man is and what he stands for. 39 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 2: But will we be there absolutely at least the rights 40 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: and riches in this cage. You're hoping so they can 41 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: have a day off from his antics. 42 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: Doctor Dwayne Hendricks joining US former Associate Warden, MDC Brooklyn, 43 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: former Senior Warden, the US Departner of Justice, founder of 44 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: a new d Alite foundation, and author of who Are 45 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: You See It? Say It Sees It? Doctor Dwayne Hendrix. 46 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: How does a video court appearance happen? From behind bars? 47 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: What well Shawn comes in the studio? Lighting, makeup, hair? 48 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 5: In the bureau prisons as well as the cress's industry 49 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 5: as a whole, it has become very commonplace for virtual 50 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 5: remote hearings, especially after the onset of the COVID nineteen pandemic. 51 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 5: These hearings are held in the visiting room area of 52 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 5: the institution and inmates are brought down about fifteen to 53 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 5: twenty minutes to the meeting starting, and staff will test 54 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 5: along with the core staff audio and visual to ensure 55 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 5: that the meeting can start on time. These meetings happen. 56 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 5: These virtual meetings happen weekly across the country, and so 57 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 5: there shouldn't be any issues with mister combs upcoming. 58 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: Hearing Joining me now, renowned defense attorney Eric Fatas, what 59 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: will the defense argument be? Okay? 60 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 6: So at sencing Diddy's defense team. 61 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 7: Needs to argue these two important factors. At every criminal sentencing, 62 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 7: a judge is going to look at whether the defendant 63 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 7: has a criminal history. 64 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 6: The judge is also going to look at the seriousness. 65 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 7: Of the charges here did he doesn't have a record, 66 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 7: He doesn't have sort of this long rap sheet that 67 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 7: could be concerning to a judge who's deciding what a 68 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 7: sentence should be. 69 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 6: His defense team needs to hammer on that. 70 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 7: Additionally, looking at the seriousness of the charges, you know, 71 00:03:55,040 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 7: interstate transportations for purposes of prostitution, although problematic. 72 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 6: Is not the crime of the century. 73 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 7: Datty's defense team could style it as, Hey, look, this 74 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 7: is really a misdemeanor state level prostitution conviction, and the 75 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 7: only thing that made of the federal offense is the 76 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 7: interstate transportation. It is not overly egregious, and the judge 77 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 7: should not consider any unproved allegations that the jury rejected. 78 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter, Sidney, isn't 79 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: it true that Shawn Commes has already tampered with witnesses 80 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: from behind bars? 81 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 8: Well, witness tampering is really why Colmes wasn't let. 82 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: Out weeding up to trial in the first place. 83 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 9: Several judges felt like there was no combination of conditions 84 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 9: outside of jail that would prevent Colmes from tampering with witnesses. 85 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: And even behind bars Colmes. 86 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 8: Was caught using other inmates' phone access codes so that 87 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 8: he could contact unauthorized individuals people that were blocked on 88 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 8: his own phone app access codes. And when he wasn't 89 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 8: using another inmate's phone access code. 90 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: He called his son and then had his son loop. 91 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 9: In those unauthorized contacts on a third line. 92 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 6: On top of. 93 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 9: That, prison security unearthed a reminder that Comes wrote to 94 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 9: instruct a family member to find dirt on potential victims. 95 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 6: And it goes even further. 96 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 9: When Dawn Richard filed her lawsuit alleging abuse during her 97 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 9: time on making the band with Danity Kane, he contacted 98 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 9: another member of that girl group fifty eight times in 99 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 9: four days. 100 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: We know from. 101 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 9: Testimony that Comes also tried to contact Mia. He used 102 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 9: a most trusted security guard, de Rock, to try and 103 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 9: bribe her into silence. 104 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 8: And finally we heard several phone calls to ex girlfriend 105 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 8: Jane during testimony and this was right after Cassie's lawsuit. 106 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 8: Prosecutors said that you could hear a pen. 107 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 9: Scratching in the background making notes, and apparently that was 108 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 9: Christina Kora feeding Colmes what to say to Jane in 109 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 9: an attempt to keep her from speaking with the authorities. 110 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: Okay, fattus, what do you have to say to that. 111 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 7: Remember, the judge in the federal criminal case actually declined 112 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 7: to allow a bond for that very reason, because the 113 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 7: judge was concerned that did he might go out and 114 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 7: unduly influence witnesses in the federal criminal case. 115 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 6: However, that case is done. 116 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: There are no more witnesses in that case. 117 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 6: If there's any concern that did he might be tampering with. 118 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 7: Or intimidating witnesses to other cases, the judges in those 119 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 7: other cases have. 120 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 6: To handle that. 121 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: Linna Shaw, founder director of Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to ending 122 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: sex trafficing on girls and women. What's your message to 123 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: the judge, Lynn Nancy? 124 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 10: My message to the judges that he go back and 125 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 10: think about all those victims and their impact statements, and 126 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 10: even think about the victims we did not even hear 127 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 10: from that He do this in the name of all 128 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 10: victims of sex trafficking, sexual abuse, rape. He keeps this 129 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 10: in the back of his mind. He keeps that Cassie 130 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 10: video where she's being dragged down the hallway. 131 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: By her hoodie, by her neck, being kicked. 132 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 10: Even when she's on the floor, not moving. 133 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 6: This is violence. 134 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 10: I don't care how you slice it. 135 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 6: We all know it's violence. 136 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 10: The judge himself when the jury came back and said 137 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 10: no sex trafficking. 138 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: I hope he. 139 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 10: Does relate to everybody out there, not just the victims 140 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 10: of Sean Dirty Ditty Combs, but he did say to 141 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 10: Ditty's lawyers when they were seeking bail, full throatedly violence, 142 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 10: violence being the keyword. So we're going to hope. We're 143 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 10: going to pray that the. 144 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: Judge gives Ditty. 145 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 10: Time time, and you know what, we're going to pray 146 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 10: that he does this in the name of all victims, 147 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 10: of all survivors of sex tal because you know what 148 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 10: they're watching. 149 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: Ross Shooter, what's your message to the judge. 150 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 11: These two lesser crimes are still really major, major crimes, 151 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 11: and he should be made to pay for both of them. 152 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 11: You have witnessed firsthand who this guy is. He has 153 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 11: been in your court room for six seven weeks. We've 154 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 11: heard testimony, violence, threats, alleged kidnappings. No, he isn't changed. 155 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 11: He's empowered. He's feeling more powerful than he's ever felt before. 156 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 11: And that power with Puffy, it doesn't just sit there 157 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 11: under the surface. No, it bubbles up, Nancy, it explodes. 158 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: That is what's your message to the judge. 159 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 7: My message to the judge in the Didty case is 160 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 7: to not be swayed by the tithes of public opinion. 161 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 7: You know, in the beginning of the federal criminal case, 162 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 7: Diddy was vilified. He was he was cast as a 163 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 7: complete monster. At the end of it, when he prevailed 164 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 7: on the most serious charges, folks, some were touting. 165 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 6: Him as a hero and that kind of thing. I 166 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 6: think the judge needs to make sure that the sentence 167 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 6: he is. 168 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 7: Imposing is irrespective of any kind of social pressure or 169 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 7: ideas about who did He is that come from a 170 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 7: source other than inside that courtroom and what that judge witnessed. 171 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 7: I think the judge needs to consider the lack of 172 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 7: criminal history, the seriousness or perhaps non seriousness of the 173 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 7: convictions of which did He was convicted, and also, you 174 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 7: know what message this sentence might send to society, to 175 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 7: alleged victims, to folks who are wrongly accused. 176 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: All of those things are. 177 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 6: Going to be front of mind for that judge. 178 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: Straight back to Tisa Tales joining us Tasa Tales on YouTube. 179 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: Tisa what exactly is going to go down tomorrow in court. 180 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: So for the plan is for the media to get 181 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: up and we are going to assemble again. 182 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: So here's the thing, Shaun Didty Combs. 183 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: This hearing is going to go down now the government 184 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: what it's fine to have his bond hearing on October second. 185 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: Sources are saying that Ditty is desperate. 186 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: To get out of the MBC and go to Club 187 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: Fed or at least a cleaner, better one detention facility. 188 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: Okay, MDC is known. 189 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: For being cold, it's being dank, there's rats, roaches, who 190 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 2: else is going on? Okay, so what do they expect? 191 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: It is going to be a fight. Actually, people say 192 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 2: it might be going on for hours. But the government 193 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: is just going to be sitting there with his hands 194 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: folded because Judge Aaron has already told. 195 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: Everybody what he thinks of Diddy. 196 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 2: Now Didty's team is expected to come out swinging. 197 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: They already think that they conned the jury. 198 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: I think they think that they can actually con judge Aaron. 199 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: But if the past is indicative of there is any 200 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: indication on what we can expect, it's going to be 201 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 2: a tough, upheld battle. And again he was not impressed 202 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: with what Diddy's people did to the courthouse last time. 203 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: Now what will it be? 204 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: It will be on closed circuit stream throughout the courthouse, 205 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 2: of course, They'll be the courtroom and it'll be streamed 206 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 2: to the overflow room. We are expected expecting Mark Agnifilia 207 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: Toll put on his rocky suit, take those gloves and 208 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 2: fight for his client, Satan Incarnate's justice again. 209 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: It's going to be a show, probably a very. 210 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 2: Disgusting, disturbing show. Let's not forget that Mark Agnifilial had 211 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: the nerve to suggest that what he did to Jane 212 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: was provoked or self defense. Let's see if Mark actually 213 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: got a little bit more since since last time he 214 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: made those outlandish claims. 215 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: However, Yeah, I don't. 216 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: Think so, because one thing I can say about the 217 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: Dream Team, they will keep doubling down, and can you 218 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: blame them because if it worked once, I'm sure they 219 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: think it'll work again. 220 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: The did he watch is in town down. What will 221 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: the judge do? Each side arguing its best for its client, 222 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: for the defense, arguing for Shaw Combs, for the state, 223 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: arguing for the people, including the victims in this case? 224 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: But how did we end up here? Shawn Comes will 225 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: spend no time behind bars, and Shawn Combs will spend 226 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: life behind bars. It's all down to twelve gurrrs. We 227 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: are headed into a verdict. Watch here at Crime Stories. 228 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: Now straight to Crime Stories. Investigative reporter Sydney Sumner, Sidney. 229 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: The state is braced closing arguments going throughout the day. 230 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: The state went five hours in closing arguments and they 231 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: were withering the jury, making notes furiously and leaning forward 232 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: in their seats. That's always a good sign. But you 233 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: can't call this in the fifth inning. No, there's a 234 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: long way to go, Sydney Summer Today. Defense closing arguments 235 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: start at the beginning with Seawan Kinmes walking into the 236 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: courtroom altona must stay. What happened? Well, Nancy? 237 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 12: We have heard reports, but did He has been greeting 238 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 12: his lawyers with a yoga studio esque bow. Class's hands together, 239 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 12: gives them a little nod of respect as he greets 240 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 12: them in the morning. Today is all about. 241 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: Pent Just stop right there? What what woll whoa? Whoa woe? 242 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: What a yoga zen thing? What are you talking about? 243 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 12: Well, Nancy, I don't know if you've ever been to 244 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 12: a yoga class. I used to attend pretty often. 245 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: But you just at the end of class, at. 246 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 12: The beginning of class, you put your hands together and 247 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 12: you do a short little bow to everyone else in 248 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 12: the classroom to show your respect for every one. And 249 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 12: that's exactly what Colins has been doing to all eight 250 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 12: of his lawyers in the courtroom every morning when he 251 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 12: comes to see them. 252 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: Sidney, you cannot live in New York City, in Manhattan 253 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: and not be subjected to a yoga class, particularly a 254 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: hot yoga class the worst. But what you're saying is 255 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: like a zen Nama stay, oh okay, you know what, 256 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: straight out to Lynnshaw joining me, executive director, founder of 257 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: Lynn's Lawyers, dedicated to ending exploitation trafficking of women and girls. 258 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: You know, Nama, stay my rear end. He can nom 259 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: stay his way all the way to the MDC. He 260 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: was an all Noma stay in the middle of all 261 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: these freak coughs. You know how big of a stack 262 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: they had to do an eight hundred number for all 263 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: the women calling in claiming that they were victims of 264 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: Sean Comb's freak offs, King Knights, Hotel Knights, what ever, 265 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: whatever ephem is, and he wants to use these women 266 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: claiming they were drugged in their drinks, that they woke 267 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: up covered in baby oil with their vagina's herding, and 268 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: he's all no mistake, my rear end. 269 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 10: What a slap in the face to all victims of 270 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 10: any kind of sexual exploitation abuse. 271 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: I mean, this is horrific. 272 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 10: And you know what, I'm putting my money on the 273 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 10: jury that everybody can see right through this, this act 274 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 10: of contrition, because this is horrific that he's allowed to 275 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 10: walk into court an easy He's being all cute and calm, 276 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 10: and you know what, yesterday I was saying, I don't 277 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 10: want to call him the nicknames. I've called him dirty 278 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 10: Diddy and things like that, But today I want to 279 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 10: go back to that because I am sick and tired 280 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 10: of this. Who is protecting, who is talking to, who 281 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 10: is giving advice counsel to these hundreds as far as 282 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 10: we know right, you know, victims of his, probably thousands 283 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 10: over the years. So I'm just hoping that this playbook 284 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 10: of his, this dirty Diddy playbook, everybody's onto him, everybody's 285 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 10: sick of him, and you know what, we have to 286 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 10: turn that focus and hope and hope and hope that victims, survivors, 287 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 10: anybody watching this this he's turning it into a laugh 288 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 10: you know, a laugh stockfest here, you know, some kind 289 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 10: of festival. 290 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: This is a court of law. He's supposed to. 291 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 10: Be up for his life right and the family and 292 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 10: him and the lawyer singing. It's too much, Nancy, It's 293 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 10: just too much. 294 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: I know. Did you hear that yesterday? Doctor Bethany Marshall, 295 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: you were with us last night when we learned that Agnifolo, 296 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: the defense attorney went on the mic and started singing 297 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: her name was Lola. He started singing copa, cabana and 298 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: a sex trafficking trial. And it just threw me over 299 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: the edge because I have dealt with rape victims. You know, 300 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: look around, look around. I'm looking around the studio. At 301 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: least one in four women had been sex assault victims. 302 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: Think about that, Think about it. You'd never suspect have 303 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: been sex assault victims. And he's singing copa into the microphone. 304 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: And now Seawn comes comes in and does a nama stay. Really, 305 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: he can chill out behind bars for the rest of 306 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: his life, for all I care y, Well, he is 307 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: not just what is this? 308 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 13: Well, it's one more male and females do it to 309 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 13: minimizing the severity of sex trafficking. Nancy, I don't think 310 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 13: our nation or world really understands what sex trafficking is. 311 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: This whole question that. 312 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 13: Maybe the women consented that means they were in a 313 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,239 Speaker 13: relationship and not that they were coerced. 314 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: Is so false when you think of the whole. 315 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 13: Psychology of sex trafficking. 316 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace save me Sumner. After all, 317 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: the Anoma stay went down in the courtroom. 318 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 12: What happened, Well, Mark Agnipolo came up to the stand 319 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 12: to start giving his closing arguments, and I'm curious to 320 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 12: see how short they're going to be. Are they going 321 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 12: to be just like the case in chief, only a 322 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 12: few minutes, wrapping this up nice and quickly for the defense. 323 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 12: But his very first words was, you've heard two different trials. 324 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 12: You've heard the evidence trial and you've heard the prosecutor's trial. 325 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 12: The words coming out of their mouths, and those words 326 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 12: are extremely exaggerated. This is just a swinger's lifestyle. That's 327 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 12: what the evidence told you, But prosecutors are telling you 328 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 12: this was a crime. 329 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. The minimization of what happened that 330 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: the women are hysterical. Why so always women are hysterical 331 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: and they're exaggerating. And the female prosecutor that gave the 332 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: closing arguments, which were brilliant, by the way, Christie Slavic exaggeration. 333 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: You know, Eric Fattus, there are women on that jury, right. 334 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: Eric Fattus, veteral on trial lawyer joining us out of Colorado. 335 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: He is the founding partner of Varner Fattest, elite legal 336 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: and former felony prosecutor. That would be the last thing 337 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: that I wanted to do if if I were Lord, 338 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: help me. A defense attorney is claiming that all the 339 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: women are hysterical and exaggerating. You know, there's some women 340 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: sitting on that jury going say what. 341 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 14: Yeah, Nancy, there are sensitive issues in this case, clearly, 342 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 14: and as a defense attorney, you've got to make sure 343 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 14: you're not offending the sensibilities of the jurors. You can 344 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 14: be passionate, you can be a zealous advocate, but you've 345 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 14: got to be careful about, you know, playing into some 346 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 14: trope that women who have been victimized and who are 347 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 14: survivors were just you know, making it up or making 348 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 14: a big deal out of nothing. Or something like that. 349 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 14: And so I think he's got to really be careful 350 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 14: because he loves the risk of rubbing them the wrong way, 351 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 14: and then you know that impression is left with them. 352 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 14: Back of the deliberation room. 353 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: Straight back out to Sydney Sumner Crime Stories investigative reporter. 354 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: I understand that Sean Comes had his son Christian Comes 355 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: along with what his god uncle Kanye very busy last night. 356 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 12: Yes, they have released an EP today and one of 357 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 12: the songs on that EP is called Ditty Free, and 358 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 12: the lyrics say that we aren't going to sleep until 359 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 12: we see Ditty Free, and the lyrics actually mention you, Nancy. 360 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 12: They don't understand, but they stand me. Tell him gives 361 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 12: me grace, even Nancy. So this isn't the first song 362 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 12: that he's released speaking about his dad's legal troubles, and honestly, 363 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 12: I don't think they're doing any positive things for him. 364 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 12: This Bible might come in handy, this rifle might come 365 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 12: in handy. I don't think threatening gun violence is really 366 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 12: doing much to persuade anyone that your dad is innocent 367 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 12: of these crimes. 368 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: Okay, you know that your ors get to go home 369 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: every night, they are not sequestered and they can be 370 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: exposed to this rap song created by God Help Him, 371 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: Christian Combs and Kanye. Why you would want your child 372 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: around Kanye? 373 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 11: I do not know. 374 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: But that's a whole other can of worms. Let's take 375 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: a look at the lyrics. Ain't going to sleep till 376 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: we see Diddi Free, Ain't gonna sleep till we see 377 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: Diddy free. When gets suss they try to play the victim, 378 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: playing the victim, that's an attack on the victims outspoken. 379 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: I ain't keeping in uh blah blah blah blah. Now 380 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: you know I noticed part of it refers to a 381 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: Plan B with which is an abortion drug which came 382 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: up during this trial. It says they ain't got to lose. 383 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: What are they talking about? The victims or the jurors? 384 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: I ain't one of them. And then it goes on 385 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: to talk about astro what astro glide? And it says, like, damn, 386 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: why am I in the tabloids? You know what, that's 387 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: a really good question. Why comes as children have been 388 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: dragged into this? They are being used as a pr 389 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: tool And now you want to tell me this happened 390 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: without Sean comes knowing that it would drop just before 391 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: the defense closing arguments. Further, looking at the lyrics that 392 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: dropped last night, the Bible might come in handy like 393 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: what it's a prop in. Of course Christ gets dragged 394 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: in it's one night. I want Jesus Christ to answer. 395 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: Then they want to stop me the kid. They want 396 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: to stop the kid like a plan be Okay, we 397 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: heard the testimony, and we know about whether the jury 398 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: understands it fully that one woman was forced into an abortion. 399 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: They don't understand me. Tell them give me grace even Nancy, 400 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: and it refers to bad boy throughout. That would be 401 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: bad Boy records. Okay, let's hear it. They don't understand 402 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: what they stand and tell them give me grace even this. Okay. 403 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: You know some people ask, are you angry? No, I'm not. 404 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: I'm full of remorse for what Seaan Colmes is doing 405 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: to his children. I'm Eric fattis joining me veteran try 406 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: a lawyer. Have you ever prosecuted a case where the children, 407 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: unless they were the victims, thought their parents did it? 408 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: Because I don't think I've ever had a case where 409 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: the children thought their dad was guilty. Even adult children, 410 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: they never believe the parent did it. 411 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 14: I can't think of one. 412 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 6: Really. 413 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 14: The family often rallies around the defendant in these cases, 414 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 14: you know, provides support. They want to believe, they want 415 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 14: to believe their family member is not guilty of these 416 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 14: heinous allegations. And that's understandable. But oftentimes, like you mentioned, 417 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 14: the family can be brought in sort of as ponds, 418 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 14: sometimes in the trial itself, sometimes outside the trial, especially 419 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,239 Speaker 14: in these highly publicized cases. And I think a lot 420 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 14: of folks think that that maybe what was going on 421 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 14: with Diddy and his children. 422 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: Let's take one more listen to Didty Free? This is 423 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: released by possibly the only person in the world that 424 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 1: think Shawn Combs is innocent, and that would be his 425 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: son standing by him, God bless him, Christian King Combs, 426 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: and of course the illustrious Kanye. 427 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: They don't understand, but they stand and tell them give 428 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: me grace, even. 429 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: Shawn Cobs's devoutas mobbing the courthouse the day they thought 430 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: he would walk free. Take a look that's from Arman 431 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: Wiggins on Instagram. Does any of this effect the judge? 432 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: The judge is supposed to be separate and apart from 433 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: the outside world, but does the judge listen to any 434 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: of this joining us RightNow, Psycho Alys out of la 435 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, do you believe the judge is truly 436 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: immune to what the mob mentality is demanding outside the courthouse, Nancy. 437 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 13: This judge will not be immune to the mob mentality 438 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 13: outside the courthouse. Judges care I'm married to a judge. 439 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 13: They do form their own conclusions. They do try to 440 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 13: uphold the law, and they do respect the verdict that 441 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 13: the jury comes back with. But they have their own 442 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 13: mind and their own way of thinking, and they are 443 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 13: very seasoned at what they do. So this is something 444 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 13: that's going to follow this judge the rest of his life. 445 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 13: He's going to think about it, he's going to worry 446 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 13: about it. In your Nancy, I think too, there are 447 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 13: many people who are frightened right now of consequences from 448 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 13: P Diddy Combs. And I don't know if you know this, 449 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 13: but a lot of judges want security after court cases 450 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 13: like this because. 451 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: They do feel threatened. 452 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 13: So I think that's going to be weighing heavily on 453 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 13: this judge's mind. 454 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: Speaking of mob mentality, tastes of Tales, could you describe 455 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: what the so called mob did to you? Following a verdict. 456 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 2: So yes, as everybody knows, I was accosted outside the courthouse, 457 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 2: and that was putting it lightly. 458 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 4: Scum did he supporting scum literally rolling around like the. 459 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 2: Mob from Beauty and the Beasts looking for me so 460 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: they could, according. 461 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: To what they were telling their followers, lay their hands 462 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: and feet on me. 463 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 2: What happened to Cassie was going to be nothing compared 464 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 2: to what they planned to. 465 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: Do to me, which is what they told me. 466 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: Okay, that was incredibly it was eye opening. Okay, now 467 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 2: at the time, thank goodness, I did have security, but 468 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: it was incredibly eye opening. 469 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: Okay. 470 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 2: A lot of Diddy's victims are saying they're worried. 471 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: About what happens that did. He is vengeful, he is prabmatic. 472 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 2: But more importantly, I saw the base of the fear, 473 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 2: the fact that he has a very loyal following of idiots. 474 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: He did not have to give them. 475 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: A penny, He doesn't even have to thank them, He doesn't. 476 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: Even have to know who they are. He is happy 477 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: they are happy. 478 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: To do his bidding, or what he showed everybody what 479 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: his bidding is. I fear for the victims, I fear 480 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 2: for anybody that actually speaks out. Okay, Diddy and the 481 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: people around him, and my opinion, are not safe. And 482 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: that jury, like I've always said, sent a signal that 483 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: domestic violence isn't real violence. It's okay if you have 484 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 2: to use your hands and feet to put a woman 485 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 2: in their place. And that's scary to actually think that 486 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: you have a band of misfit, bumb losers who are 487 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 2: willing to do your bidding. At the end of the 488 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 2: day and interesting in love, I expect this to be 489 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 2: a new day. 490 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: Because it has come out that a lot of people 491 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: that were even trying to accost me attack me actually 492 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: have their own domestic violence cases coming up. Again, you 493 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: cannot make this up, but this is. 494 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 2: The type of support that Sean Diddy Coalms brings out 495 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: for himself. 496 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 15: There's no drug possession charges, there's no like assault, there's 497 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 15: not really charges that you can say, well, you know, 498 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 15: I don't want to send him to prison for fifteen years, 499 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 15: but I don't like him and he's a bad person, 500 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 15: so let's convict him of this and he'll get a 501 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 15: couple of years, which is very often what juries do. 502 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: True. He may be no legal scholar that's from our 503 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: prophit on TikTok. But that's the point. This case is 504 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: not being determined or judged by legal scholars, is being 505 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: judged by twelve jurors joining me. In addition to TISA 506 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: tales outside the courthouse, an all star panel, let's go straight 507 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: out to Eric Fattus joining US veteran troal lawyer and 508 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: founding partner Varner Fattest elite legal. Eric. While we may 509 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: think the state has proven its case, it's really up 510 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: to the And I mean the Vegas odds are fifty 511 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: to fifty right now, and I think that may reflect 512 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: what's going on. So just because the climate inside the 513 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: courthouse is conviction oriented, Remember you're surrounded by bailiffs. Everybody 514 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: in the courthouse, many of them were for the state, 515 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that's the slant the jury's taking. Fattest. 516 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 14: In fact, getting these takes you from the street and 517 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 14: from folks on YouTube. That could be a better glimpse 518 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 14: into how these laid jurors are actually seeing this case. Look, 519 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 14: this is an uphill battle. It's not a slam dunk 520 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 14: by any means. We're talking about allegations over the course 521 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 14: of decades. There are all these moving parts, thirty four 522 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 14: different witnesses, conflicting evidence, credibility issues. When you put all 523 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 14: of that together, it's difficult to meet that burden of 524 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 14: proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the highest burden 525 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 14: in the justice system. 526 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, we know Shawn Combs has 527 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: been sweating bullets in the courtroom all day, continuously looking 528 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: over at the jury, darting his gaze over at them 529 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: throughout the judge's instructions. Joining me Danny Pinter, Senior VP 530 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: and Director of the Law Center at the National Center 531 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: on Sexual Exploitation. Danny, when you hear phrase, is like, oh, 532 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: she was gangster, straight up. She could take on two 533 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: three men at a time. She was a quote loose woman. 534 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: She got paid. Another moment, Agniffolo said he only hit 535 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: her twice, referring to I believe that was Jane. He 536 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: only hit her twice. That's the defense. Yeah. 537 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 9: I found it honestly disgusting, and I hope the jury 538 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 9: does too. 539 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: I think it was weak and unpersuasive, and the defense 540 00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: went too far. 541 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 9: The jury has to to contend with the facts, which 542 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 9: I think, you know, as a legal expert, I think 543 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 9: they do the prosecution. 544 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: Met their burden. But what story is the jury going 545 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: to believe? And does it defensually think the jury is 546 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: going to believe the story that Cassie Ventura had all 547 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: the power and it Diddy is the victim. 548 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 6: I don't think anyone's buying. 549 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: Rob Shooter joining me host to a naughty but nice 550 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: podcast and you can find him at a substack. Rob 551 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: the daughters who have had to leave court several times 552 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: in tears during the testimony, that's a whole other can 553 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: of Worm's why he had his daughters and children in 554 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: there listening to the worst of the worst from the state. 555 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: They all dressed in black today, and I remember prosecuting. 556 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: I never wore like red, yellow, vibrant orange because the 557 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: cases I prosecuted were all violent felonies, and it just 558 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: seemed wrong. It just seemed inappropriate. And so it's a 559 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: very solemn note. And you know, oh that did he 560 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: orchestrated right down to what they were wearing. 561 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 11: Yeah, I think you're right, Nancy. What I will say though, 562 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 11: here is that there's a little bit of performance going 563 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 11: on to with the kids. I don't want to go 564 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 11: after someone's kids for their parents' crimes. But it has 565 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 11: been on Dieted that post kids have had a really 566 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 11: amazing life because of their dad and because of what 567 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 11: their dad do and does and who their dad is. 568 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 11: These are not the von Trapp family. They have seen 569 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 11: a lot. These kids have been around his parties. They've 570 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 11: been around and. 571 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: The von Trapp family. Did you just you're you're talking 572 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: about what the seven children oft? Excuse me? And sound 573 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: of music that would put on those frocks and seeing 574 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: and the family music. First of all, yeah, no, the 575 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: von Traps, they ain't. That's true. Go ahead. 576 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 11: They aimed that this is a family that has been 577 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 11: around money, power, a celebrities, sex, violence, They've heard their 578 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 11: dads songs, they've wrapped along to other rap artists. These 579 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 11: are very aggressive lifestyles and they were born into this lifestyle, 580 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 11: so they're really used to seeing, hearing, and maybe even 581 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 11: participating in some very very very what we would consider 582 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 11: strange scene strange environments. So I wouldn't feel too bad 583 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 11: for the kids here. I think that they're part of 584 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 11: the Combes family. It's a deal that maybe they didn't 585 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 11: want to make, they had no choice in it, but 586 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 11: they've been born into this lifestyle and they have benefited 587 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,240 Speaker 11: from their dad's success for his money. 588 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: For you know, I'm very surprised you brought up the 589 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: von Trapp family. Weren't they raised by a nun sister 590 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: Maria remember her, a Julie Andrews. Okay, these children have 591 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: not been raised by a nun. Okay, But following up 592 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: on what you said to me, doctor Benthony Marshall, that 593 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: makes me feel for these children even more so because 594 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: they never had what I had. Of course, I grew 595 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: up on a red dirt road, drinking water from well 596 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: my grandfather dug in the backyard. Okay, but you know 597 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: what I did have. I had a mother that took 598 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: care of me and a father. Both of them worked 599 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: all day into the night, came home, had supper with us, 600 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,439 Speaker 1: and they were there for me. I mean, it ain't 601 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: easy for my dad to work on the railroad and 602 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: my mom to work at a factory, right, but they did. 603 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: But we had love. These children never had that constant 604 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: in their life. Now they're sitting in their dad's felony trial. 605 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: A lot of people have asked me, Wow, how do 606 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: you feel about Christian cons putting you on a disc track. 607 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: I didn't see it that way at all. I didn't 608 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: see it as a disc at all. I saw it 609 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,959 Speaker 1: as an adult son trying to take up for his father. 610 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: And I actually feel bad that they're in that position. 611 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: I need to Nancy. 612 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 13: They've been raised in a culture of sex, abuse of violence, 613 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 13: a culture of narcissism, guns, multiple mothers, half siblings. You know, 614 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 13: it's just a very confusing environment. And you know this 615 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 13: is going to be a therapeutic experience for them sitting 616 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 13: in court because they have to take in all kinds 617 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 13: of information about it. 618 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: You lost your mind? Have you lost your mind? You're 619 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 1: calling your father accused of sex trafficking therapeutic? Okay, yes, 620 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: I have call't Beverly Hills, and I was raised on 621 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: a dirt road. But I nothing therapeutic about hearing the 622 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,720 Speaker 1: try about your father that he's extra. 623 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 16: So I do, Nancy, because they have to be in reality. 624 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 16: They've been lived and they've been raised in an upside 625 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 16: down world. Listen to what Agniffholos said today. Okay, so 626 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 16: when he says that Cassie Ventura was just trying to 627 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 16: please her man, you know, just because your man wants 628 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 16: and you don't. But you're going to it to make 629 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 16: him happy. He's basically saying women need to take it up. 630 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: Okay. 631 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 16: As an analyst, I hear all the metaphors. I help 632 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 16: those kids sitting in court carrying all this degradation of 633 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 16: women have a good therapist to talk to so they 634 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 16: can make. 635 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 6: Sense of it. 636 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 16: And all of us putting women down because Cassie van 637 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 16: Sura got twenty million dollars. You know, with Michael Jackson, 638 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 16: when he paid his first victim thirty million dollars, we 639 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 16: didn't say that nine. 640 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: Year old was a gold digger. 641 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,280 Speaker 16: We said Michael Jackson must have done something really, really 642 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 16: bad if he paid out thirty million dollars. And all 643 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 16: this money I think is because it's because p did. 644 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 16: He really needs to cover his tracks. 645 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 1: The did he watch is counting down. We waked as 646 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: justice unfolds. But now we remember an American hero Trooper 647 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 1: Michael Stewart, Pennsylvania State PD, just twenty six, killed in 648 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: the line of duty after four years with Ellie, leaving 649 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: behind grieving parents Michael and Lynn. American hero trooper Michael 650 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 1: Stewart Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.