WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Kid Capri Part 1 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:09.960 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. Ladies and gentlemen, 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:14.760 Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Scheme Quest Love 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:15.160 your host. 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:18.520 Yo, we got teams Supreme with us. 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:19.080 Uh. 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:25.680 Start with Sugar Steve. Hello, Steve, what's up? Man? Everything's good? 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:28.040 You know, working half as hard as I normally do, 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:30.040 but still getting. 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:30.840 You're not working half as hard? 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:36.160 Man? You got you gotta you gotta really like monumental jazz. 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.040 Sorry, no, I meant getting paid half as much as 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:39.240 I know. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:44.640 There you go, Oh my fault. Okay, that's real. I 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:45.560 can't help you there. 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:48.400 I'm paid. 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:48.600 Bill. 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:50.040 What's up, bro? You know? 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:50.319 Man? 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:54.680 Halfway through the summer, living life, driving around children's driving 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:56.680 around children. That's what I do. I'm like a bus 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.320 service from my kids. That's my life. Getting ready for 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:00.680 the Street, that's right. 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:01.240 New season? 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.080 What season the Sesame Street? Are you guys about to 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:04.720 get into? 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.760 We're wrapping fifty four maybe and starting fifty five. I 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:11.200 think that's right. Yeah, okay, so September. There you go. 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.679 I'm Paybill was explaining to us that Sesame Street is 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:21.640 exempt from the current writers strike and acting strike yep 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:22.959 as well, so. 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:24.120 I get paid the same amount of money. 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:25.880 Steve sadly sorry. 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:27.839 Well, yeah, I saw some up it's crossing the picket 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:30.280 line the other day that show. 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:36.039 There you go all right and uh fon Tikeolo what's up? Bro? 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:40.240 I was bro good Man were getting ready? We just 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.160 announced today Made and Durham Little Brother Block Quarty. 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:47.319 Uh So it's like, y'all, y'all little picnic joined, Like 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:48.520 what is it? 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.000 It is one day and one day only and it's 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:54.240 for a limited amount of time for hours and then 0:01:54.280 --> 0:02:00.240 we're going to fuck home. So one day go to 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.240 the fuck always always. 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.720 He must have the nicest house, Little Brother. 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.560 Little Brother, big crid, cool kids on, Tall, Black Guy, 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:14.280 DJ's hour Glass and Wildly Sparks spinning and Sam Jay hosting. 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.079 So October seventh, Downtown Durham, A Little Brother n C 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.760 hit us up October seventh, October seventh, Yeah, damn okay. 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:26.799 Is this for the twentieth anniversary of the listening? Yeah? 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.880 Yeah, twin anniversary with twin averses just a little Brother period, 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:31.240 you know what I mean? We wanted to do it, 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:32.519 do something in our hometown. 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.160 Are y'all doing like the entire album start to finish? 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.519 I would never do that shit when people come to 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:40.519 see his little brother, Like, I don't like them whole 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.480 We're gonna do the whole album all that. Like people 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.080 came here to the jams. So if it's twenty years 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:47.880 we celebrating the whole catalog. 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:51.919 I get it. Okay, that's what's up. So people, it's 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:55.639 of course we all know it's hip hop's fiftieth anniversary. 0:02:56.160 --> 0:03:01.040 Pretty much, we are going in heavy on the conversations 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:05.480 with you know, our legends, our participants are our delegates, 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.040 our ambassadors of the culture. 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:10.400 And what can I say, our. 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:15.800 Next guest is a legend, a legend of the mix. 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:19.000 You know. I kind of credit our guests for really 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:22.320 elevating the role of the DJ. It was it was 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:24.959 through him that, you know, I first heard the seeds 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:26.440 of ideas. 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:27.440 I didn't know we could do. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.120 I didn't know that you could take an a cappella 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:34.680 from one record and mix it with another record. And 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.920 you know, just the amount of road trips that I've 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:41.160 done in my life, even pre roots with his mixtapes 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:45.600 as the soundtrack, you know, it's just it's it's it's 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:47.960 to me some of some of the best moments of 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.680 my life hanging with my friends high school and early 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.880 early college years for me, our guest raps. He produces 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:01.360 definitely a very recognizable voice and screen and his DJ 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:06.160 echo voice game is unmatched. He's been in the culture, 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:11.440 uh three decades plus and counting, you know, Grammy Award 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.800 winning albums and and you know ship he's he has 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.760 one aclade that you and I don't have unpaid bill. This, 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:21.640 this gentleman is on a Pulitzer Prize winning record. You know. 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:24.520 Of course, younger fans might know of him as the 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:32.400 narrative voice of Kenney's Damn Album, you know, right exactly. 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:36.640 But you know, our guess is has just been ubiquitous 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.000 with probably the best things about the culture, like one 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.039 of the best party DJs ever. What can I say, 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:47.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome Kick Capri to Quest Love Supreme in. 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:50.000 Nice Get Better. 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.200 I did all that. 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.480 You know, it's time for that, man, It's time for that. 0:04:57.960 --> 0:04:58.599 How are you today? 0:04:58.640 --> 0:04:58.760 Man? 0:04:59.200 --> 0:04:59.680 What you call? 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.000 Where you speaking to us? From where you right now? 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:02.680 In my studio? 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:07.040 Okay, you're still in New York. I assume New Jersey. 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:09.360 I consider Jersey New York. 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:11.440 Everybody's on top of each other in New York I 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.080 had to get away to come over to Jersey. When 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:14.240 I want to go to New York and go over 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:15.880 come back to Jersey. 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:19.760 Let me ask you, because you know, a lot of 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:26.040 the soldiers or the participants of the part of hip 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.400 hop culture that I grew up on and I'm a 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.680 part of, and that you're part of as well, a 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:35.640 lot of them probably in the mid to late nineties, 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:39.520 decided to migrate down south. You know, a lot of 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.920 our New York legends like went to Maryland and then 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:47.039 to North Carolina and Atlanta and whatnot. For you, though, 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.599 like what has kept you in the city of New York, 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.080 Like INJYZ, don't live in New York no more Like 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.760 it's almost like I'm pressed to find any hip hop 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:57.880 legend that's not still living in New York. 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:03.240 Yeah. It's my feel, man, it's the feel. It's what 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:05.960 I grew up on. I've been around the world. I've 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.159 been many places. There's places that I will go and move, 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.000 but I know I will move there for a short 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.520 period of time. But it's just something about being around 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.480 New York. I'm not even in I'm New Jersey. I'm 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.640 right over the bridge, but I can get to New 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.240 York when already you know. But it's just the feel 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:26.680 of New York of everything I come from, the Bronx. 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:28.640 I was born in Brooklyn, I was raising the Bronx 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:30.920 home and hip hop. I was raised five minutes away 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:34.080 from her or kingsbas Terrace to see the Avenue is 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:37.240 five minutes away. So it's just that feel of it. 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.039 But then also my daughters is there, you know, my 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.719 engineers there on my role. Man, everything I need is 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.520 right here. I'm looking for a house right now in 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.600 this area, a new house and in this area right 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.679 now to move into. But I couldsider moving in Atlanta 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.919 before in Houston, and the price of living is way different, 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.600 it's way better. But I just feel like I need 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.280 to be here. I need to If I move somewhere else, 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.160 I'm gonna look something. So that's what it pretty much 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.240 is for me. Okay, homeless home, I get it. 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:07.480 I want to talk about your beginnings of the culture, 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.600 like for you, well, okay, you're a DJ. First of all, 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.320 what like what environment did you grow up in as 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.400 far as like your your love of music? Did you 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.920 grow up in in a sort of an open format 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.400 household where music was prevalent or. 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:24.840 My dad was a soul singer. 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:26.480 He sung. 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:28.360 He was the first soul singer to sing with the 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:29.119 Lebron Brothers. 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.320 Le Bron Brothers is a Latin band, that's a well 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.720 Latin band that's tours the world right now. They made 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:36.840 an album in nineteen sixty They made two albums. They 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:38.640 made one to sixty eight and one sixty nine. He 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.120 was the first soul singer with a Latin band. And 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.320 then he left and started doing northern soul himself and 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.280 he became really good. He had a record called Baby 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.240 Hard Times and seventy three. They did good for him. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.200 So he was always, you know, doing this thing. My 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:53.640 grandfather his what was his Dave Love He had called 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:58.000 Baby Hard Times. And his father, my grandfather, he was 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.120 a trumpet player, which I have as trumpety in nineteen forty. 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.800 He used to sit in with Miles Davis, count Basie. 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.120 The alone is he's sitting with all these guys and 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:09.520 all these sessions and play with them. So the music 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.960 always been in my family had always been around. At 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:12.680 four years old, I. 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.920 Started playing drums about that, started playing drugs at four 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.000 years old and at the time we had a record 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:19.840 player that you had to stand over and look over 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.120 and there's the big TV on the record player. You 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:23.800 had to look over into the turntable. I used to 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:24.360 play the turntay. 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.320 I didn't know what I was doing, you know, DJing or nothing, 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.520 but I was playing these James Brown records and you know, 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.400 these records with breaks in it, and it just it 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:34.440 was just attractive to me as a little kid. So 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.800 at eight years old, when hip hop came alive, that's 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:41.040 when I started DJing and from there on I never stopped. 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.200 And you know, it all came from me growing up 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:45.200 knowing all the music, all the funk music and the 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:46.920 soul music for my father and my grandfather. 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.640 It's rare for us to have someone that was actually 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:54.319 raised in the epicenter of the culture. Could you typically 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:58.839 just walk me through walk me through a day in 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:03.640 which you are experiencing what we know is hip hop culture. 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:08.040 What days do these block parties happen, Like, what's what's 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.200 typical for Like what their DJing? What did the speakers 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.160 look like? What or does the equipment look like? Just 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.679 walk me through your observation of like a typical Bronx 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:19.679 hip hop experience back in the. 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:22.440 Days before there was hip hop records, it was just 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:23.320 the break beats. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.200 It was just the MC's rhyming over the break beats. 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:31.040 DJ's arguing over which records they could cut, like Freedom 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.720 and Apache and I can't Stop and records like that, 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.720 arguing argument like it would be it wo'd be crazy 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:41.120 because it would be seven to eight DJs in one MC, right, 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.080 and because the DJ was so much more. 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:45.120 It was so much more. 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.240 To remember, the MC didn't come and be so prevalent 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.160 until records came out. But when you had the Furious Five, 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.280 you had Fantastic, you had Cold Crush. It was always 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.120 the DJ first Charlie chasing the Cold Crush, Grand Master 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.960 Flash and the Furious five, you know, Grand Wizard theory 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.560 on the Fantastic. So it was always about the DJ 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:06.360 more so they would argue about who would cut each 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.000 records they were cut because with so many DJs on 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.800 this party. So that's what it was that it was 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.320 going to the record stop, trying to find the records 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.920 and standing in the in the block parties in DJ 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:20.240 and in the rain while it's raining and the crowd 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:21.760 still coming and they stand out. 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:22.880 There and party with you. 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.000 You ain't making no money, you're blowing your equipment up, 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.400 all that, but it was so much of we wanted 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.240 to have so much fun and want people to see 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:31.760 what we're doing. 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:33.240 Now, we didn't mind it. We just had. 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:34.800 We just went out there and did our thing, and 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:36.480 it didn't matter what block it was at. We were 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:38.600 set up on a pole, plug up to a pole, 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:40.480 and that was the beginning of it, and we would 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:42.520 just keep going from there. And this went on for 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:46.600 a lot of years before records even came about, and 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:48.320 even after the records came about, it still went on. 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.560 But before records came about, it was more contained, you know. 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.960 And keep in mind, this is the time when they're 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.840 telling us that's just noise y'all doing. It ain't gonna 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:58.440 last long. The ain't gonna be here long. What are 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.719 y'all doing? Fifty years later on over here talking with quest. 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.880 Love, Thank you all right? 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.080 So technical questions I always wanted to know or get 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:11.440 answers to, so you know, everyone knows, or at least 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.000 for those who don't know. The legend, of course, of 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:18.600 the first hip hop party. August eleventh, nineteen seventy three, 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.360 cool Urk throws a party for his baby sister Cindy, 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.200 and he gets this epiphany. 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:27.360 That he's just going to. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.600 Instead of making you wait for the highlight, which, of course, like, 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.600 if you're playing a six seven minute jam, there's always 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.719 like a sixteen bar part of the song. That's the breakdown, 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.640 that's the best part of the song. It's just the drums, 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.840 and everyone goes crazy for those sixteen bars and then 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.959 it's over. And of course cool Work's idea was like, 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.040 let me just play all the drum breaks at once, 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:54.400 you know, play give It Up for Turn and Loose 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.760 by James Brown, and then play some by the you know, 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:01.680 incredible bongo band. Just play the breaks. So I'm under 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:06.160 the impression that these parties last for what five hours 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:06.840 at least. 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.000 The first time I heard hip hop, I'm on my block. 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:11.920 This kid named this guy named Joe's. He has some 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:12.600 dice in his hand. 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:16.000 He's going, yes, ches, Shaw took the beach, y'all, and 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:16.600 he's throwing the. 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.000 Dice and I'm standing there looking at him. I said, 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:20.840 what do you mean, yes, yes, seaw, what is he saying. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.920 He's kept saying it, yes, Yes, Shaw took the beach, y'all. 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:25.920 I'm like, you know, what's he saying? So that Friday 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.360 I went to Marble Little Projects. 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.040 They used to have the parties in the community center 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:31.360 and you get to pay for a dollar to company 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.640 to go see Rock one Incorporated, the DJ b Wald, 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.720 Kenny keV Rockwell all them. They were right there and 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.280 I seen DJ b Ward playing and I've seen the 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:41.800 EMBc on the mic with the echo yes ches shawl 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:45.559 y'all to the beat, y'all y'all. I said, oh shit, 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.400 So I'm standing there watching and then I ran home. 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:51.839 I said, your mom, I want to be a DJ. 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:55.000 She said, what's that? She brought me a mixer that 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.559 had no headphone home. It was a Gemini mixer. 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.880 It was a phone on one phono two orcs and 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.720 might no headphone, no plug to plugging in, and I 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.640 had to guess all the spots on the record. That's 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:06.719 how I got better than everybody else in the neighborhood. 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.600 I had headphones to work with, right, I had no 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:11.880 headphones away and I'm eight years old standing on top 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.080 of the milk create these older dudes looking at me 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.080 like this little kid's bugget no headphones, busting their ass. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:19.920 And the girl named all the carter that was all 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.319 that was an circle. The younger, she was thirteen years 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:25.640 old at the time. She said, Ki Ki Creese, I 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:27.199 liked a good name for a DJ. At the time. 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.760 My name was DJ doctor Spank. It was a terrible name, 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.400 but she said, kick cries for DJ while we're going 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.920 in the classroom. I ended up trying to name. 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:37.800 Six months later, she was shot and killed by a 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:39.359 straight brother by accident. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:40.240 So I had to keep it. 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:40.640 The name. 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.240 Yeah, her name was all Va Cartera and I end 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.520 up keeping the name. Took me to the top, but 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.199 I was there from the beginning, watching all this and 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:50.480 being a part of it and seeing what it is. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.760 That's why I appreciate my career so much, because it 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.599 wasn't something that was just giving to me. It was 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.760 something I went through, all of the phases of getting 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.720 doors closed and everything that had to do with just 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.360 having just learning the business and being a part of 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:05.920 it and learning to appreciate what you. 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.320 Have when you and knowing when you didn't have it, 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:08.920 you know what I'm saying. 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.560 And I was dere for that, So I appreciated in 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:15.640 a big way. 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:20.760 When you're spending these records and of course, like you 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:24.240 know if you study the b boy Bible of course, now, 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:28.440 like people know like the foundational breaks of the culture, 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:33.160 you know, like you're, let's dance by Pleasure or get 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:37.800 up and dance by uh, you know, Freedom, or those 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:43.880 particular records which weren't necessarily hits. You know, these weren't 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:47.080 songs that were played on radio. So what I want 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:50.120 to know is, all right, so take take a break, 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:55.240 like catch a Groove by Juice, a song that was 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.120 not a radio song. It was not a hit, but 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:02.600 yet was a staple for hip hop parties. How do 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:07.480 you like what is? What is what would be a 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:12.280 DJ's version of like cash Box Billboard Magazine to know, 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.400 Oh man, I got to get Planetary Citizen because that 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.360 is a drum break in it, Like and how how 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:19.480 do you find these breaks? 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:20.560 Like back in. 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:26.080 Between, you know, seventy seven to even eighty four, before 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.280 like the Ultimate Beats and Breaks compilations were made which 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.160 put all those breaks on one record. I mean, how 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.080 typical was it for you to go to a local 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:39.200 mom and pop record store to see, you know, a 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.440 bunch of James Brown give it up, a turner loose 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.120 or funky drummers, just like in the bin. 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.680 You had to go to certain stores and what would 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:52.480 happened is a lot of stories started bootlegging records when 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.560 hip hop started, like blow your Head. Blow your Head 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.040 was never a forty five or never a twelve weeks 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.400 they made a white label or blow your Head, So 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.120 that was became so big. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.520 James, Yeah, Yeah. 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.200 All the apaches that came out was all bootleg a 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.840 patches there were. It was different different labels that put 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.520 it out, like different I guess independent labels or. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:18.400 Whatever labels, and was Paul Winley labels. 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:20.960 Paul Whinley was official. Paul Whilly was the one that 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.640 put out the super disco breaks. 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.280 He would get claimers for all these break beats and 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.160 put him on these albums and put these albums up. 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:29.960 But Paul Whinley was the first one, was the one 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:31.800 that put Cheapa Chieba out with George. 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:33.240 Benson, right yo. 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:35.720 So he did that before the super disco based so 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.080 he was in in that realm and he did it. 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.360 He kind of did it the right way. But a 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.040 lot of times, like the records was in Downstairs Records 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.040 on forty thirsty, they would take these forty fives and 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.440 make these forty fives of these downstairs records, and these 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.240 forty fives would become justice s portant. It's finding the 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:56.120 original record because there was a limited amount of Like 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.320 my man Louis Lui, he still have those downstairs records. 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.720 Those downstairs records were like Planetarian Citizen and records like that. 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.760 These was were recorded planet Taver Receiver was never forty five. 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.639 So to have that it is like a gym, you 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:13.000 know what I'm saying. Lewis Forrest, No, my mother May 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:16.320 and Louis Lou, Louis Lou down downtown, Louis Lou Downtown. 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.040 We grew up together. He was in eighty two, eighty three. 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.280 This dude would have he was they used to call 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.560 little Bam Body. He had so much stuff way back then. 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.119 And he's still collecting like he's still doing it. So 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.240 you know, we was way ahead of the game. But 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:31.800 a lot of stuff, like I said, a lot of 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:34.280 stuff got bootlegged on forty five, and that's how we 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.320 got it because a lot of times we didn't know 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:37.960 the names and stuff, we didn't know what it was. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.040 And even more now that I got older, I didn't 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.359 realize how much stuff was in the world. I got 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:48.200 so much from work, Brazil and just so many different 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.359 places around the world. But when we were coming up 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.920 with the essential break beats, we didn't think that far. 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:54.760 You know what I'm saying. We would we were we 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.640 were going about what Bam was playing, but Charlie Chase 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.920 was playing, what Flashing was playing. 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.560 We would That's how we knew what to play. And 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:04.399 how we found out the names is because they were 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.719 bootleged the records, you know what I'm saying. So that's 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:08.120 how we would go. We go to the record shop 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.240 a whole boot leg section, which is brad we needed, 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:13.080 we had it. I can't stop white label like it was. 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:14.359 That's how we got our beatle. 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:17.959 Oh okay, that explains it because uh, I was going 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:26.840 to say, maybe five months ago, Coolhirk had auctioned off 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.520 a good portion of of of his gyms and whatnot, 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:36.399 some artworks, flyers, memorabilia, and some of his records. So 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:40.879 I copped like four or five of those records and 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:42.639 I was like, wait, wait a minute, these are just 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:43.920 white labels. 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:45.080 These aren't the original ones. 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.960 But always wanted to know like how prevalent and how 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:53.000 and how much of an abundance was like and impeach 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:57.679 the president back in seventy nine, eighty one, eighty two. 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:00.720 You know what, if peace got more rare road to 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.480 get in the later years, earlier years it was a 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:07.960 little easier to get, but it still wasn't It still 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.399 wasn't something that anybody could just get, you know what 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.480 I'm saying, Like you had to really know that beat, 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.399