1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. Ladies and gentlemen, 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Scheme Quest Love 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: your host. 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: Yo, we got teams Supreme with us. 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 3: Uh. 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: Start with Sugar Steve. Hello, Steve, what's up? Man? Everything's good? 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 4: You know, working half as hard as I normally do, 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 4: but still getting. 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: You're not working half as hard? 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: Man? You got you gotta you gotta really like monumental jazz. 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 4: Sorry, no, I meant getting paid half as much as 12 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 4: I know. 13 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: There you go, Oh my fault. Okay, that's real. I 14 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: can't help you there. 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: I'm paid. 16 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 5: Bill. 17 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: What's up, bro? You know? 18 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:50,319 Speaker 1: Man? 19 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 6: Halfway through the summer, living life, driving around children's driving 20 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 6: around children. That's what I do. I'm like a bus 21 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 6: service from my kids. That's my life. Getting ready for 22 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 6: the Street, that's right. 23 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: New season? 24 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: What season the Sesame Street? Are you guys about to 25 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: get into? 26 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 6: We're wrapping fifty four maybe and starting fifty five. I 27 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 6: think that's right. Yeah, okay, so September. There you go. 28 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: I'm Paybill was explaining to us that Sesame Street is 29 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: exempt from the current writers strike and acting strike yep 30 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: as well, so. 31 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 2: I get paid the same amount of money. 32 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: Steve sadly sorry. 33 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I saw some up it's crossing the picket 34 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 4: line the other day that show. 35 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: There you go all right and uh fon Tikeolo what's up? Bro? 36 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 3: I was bro good Man were getting ready? We just 37 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: announced today Made and Durham Little Brother Block Quarty. 38 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: Uh So it's like, y'all, y'all little picnic joined, Like 39 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: what is it? 40 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 3: It is one day and one day only and it's 41 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 3: for a limited amount of time for hours and then 42 00:01:54,280 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 3: we're going to fuck home. So one day go to 43 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 3: the fuck always always. 44 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 4: He must have the nicest house, Little Brother. 45 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: Little Brother, big crid, cool kids on, Tall, Black Guy, 46 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 3: DJ's hour Glass and Wildly Sparks spinning and Sam Jay hosting. 47 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 3: So October seventh, Downtown Durham, A Little Brother n C 48 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 3: hit us up October seventh, October seventh, Yeah, damn okay. 49 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: Is this for the twentieth anniversary of the listening? Yeah? 50 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, twin anniversary with twin averses just a little Brother period, 51 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? We wanted to do it, 52 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 3: do something in our hometown. 53 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: Are y'all doing like the entire album start to finish? 54 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 3: I would never do that shit when people come to 55 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 3: see his little brother, Like, I don't like them whole 56 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 3: We're gonna do the whole album all that. Like people 57 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 3: came here to the jams. So if it's twenty years 58 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 3: we celebrating the whole catalog. 59 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: I get it. Okay, that's what's up. So people, it's 60 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: of course we all know it's hip hop's fiftieth anniversary. 61 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: Pretty much, we are going in heavy on the conversations 62 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: with you know, our legends, our participants are our delegates, 63 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: our ambassadors of the culture. 64 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 2: And what can I say, our. 65 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: Next guest is a legend, a legend of the mix. 66 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: You know. I kind of credit our guests for really 67 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: elevating the role of the DJ. It was it was 68 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: through him that, you know, I first heard the seeds 69 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: of ideas. 70 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: I didn't know we could do. 71 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: I didn't know that you could take an a cappella 72 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: from one record and mix it with another record. And 73 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: you know, just the amount of road trips that I've 74 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: done in my life, even pre roots with his mixtapes 75 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: as the soundtrack, you know, it's just it's it's it's 76 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: to me some of some of the best moments of 77 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: my life hanging with my friends high school and early 78 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: early college years for me, our guest raps. He produces 79 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: definitely a very recognizable voice and screen and his DJ 80 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: echo voice game is unmatched. He's been in the culture, 81 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: uh three decades plus and counting, you know, Grammy Award 82 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: winning albums and and you know ship he's he has 83 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: one aclade that you and I don't have unpaid bill. This, 84 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: this gentleman is on a Pulitzer Prize winning record. You know. 85 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: Of course, younger fans might know of him as the 86 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: narrative voice of Kenney's Damn Album, you know, right exactly. 87 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: But you know, our guess is has just been ubiquitous 88 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: with probably the best things about the culture, like one 89 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: of the best party DJs ever. What can I say, 90 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome Kick Capri to Quest Love Supreme in. 91 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: Nice Get Better. 92 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 5: I did all that. 93 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 2: You know, it's time for that, man, It's time for that. 94 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 2: How are you today? 95 00:04:58,640 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 7: Man? 96 00:04:59,200 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 5: What you call? 97 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: Where you speaking to us? From where you right now? 98 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 5: In my studio? 99 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: Okay, you're still in New York. I assume New Jersey. 100 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: I consider Jersey New York. 101 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 8: Everybody's on top of each other in New York I 102 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 8: had to get away to come over to Jersey. When 103 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 8: I want to go to New York and go over 104 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 8: come back to Jersey. 105 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: Let me ask you, because you know, a lot of 106 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: the soldiers or the participants of the part of hip 107 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: hop culture that I grew up on and I'm a 108 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: part of, and that you're part of as well, a 109 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: lot of them probably in the mid to late nineties, 110 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: decided to migrate down south. You know, a lot of 111 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: our New York legends like went to Maryland and then 112 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: to North Carolina and Atlanta and whatnot. For you, though, 113 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: like what has kept you in the city of New York, 114 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: Like INJYZ, don't live in New York no more Like 115 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: it's almost like I'm pressed to find any hip hop 116 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: legend that's not still living in New York. 117 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 8: Yeah. It's my feel, man, it's the feel. It's what 118 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 8: I grew up on. I've been around the world. I've 119 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 8: been many places. There's places that I will go and move, 120 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 8: but I know I will move there for a short 121 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 8: period of time. But it's just something about being around 122 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 8: New York. I'm not even in I'm New Jersey. I'm 123 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 8: right over the bridge, but I can get to New 124 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 8: York when already you know. But it's just the feel 125 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 8: of New York of everything I come from, the Bronx. 126 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 8: I was born in Brooklyn, I was raising the Bronx 127 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 8: home and hip hop. I was raised five minutes away 128 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 8: from her or kingsbas Terrace to see the Avenue is 129 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 8: five minutes away. So it's just that feel of it. 130 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 8: But then also my daughters is there, you know, my 131 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 8: engineers there on my role. Man, everything I need is 132 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 8: right here. I'm looking for a house right now in 133 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 8: this area, a new house and in this area right 134 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,679 Speaker 8: now to move into. But I couldsider moving in Atlanta 135 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 8: before in Houston, and the price of living is way different, 136 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 8: it's way better. But I just feel like I need 137 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 8: to be here. I need to If I move somewhere else, 138 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 8: I'm gonna look something. So that's what it pretty much 139 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 8: is for me. Okay, homeless home, I get it. 140 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: I want to talk about your beginnings of the culture, 141 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: like for you, well, okay, you're a DJ. First of all, 142 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: what like what environment did you grow up in as 143 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: far as like your your love of music? Did you 144 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: grow up in in a sort of an open format 145 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: household where music was prevalent or. 146 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 5: My dad was a soul singer. 147 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: He sung. 148 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 5: He was the first soul singer to sing with the 149 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:29,119 Speaker 5: Lebron Brothers. 150 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 8: Le Bron Brothers is a Latin band, that's a well 151 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 8: Latin band that's tours the world right now. They made 152 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 8: an album in nineteen sixty They made two albums. They 153 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 8: made one to sixty eight and one sixty nine. He 154 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 8: was the first soul singer with a Latin band. And 155 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 8: then he left and started doing northern soul himself and 156 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 8: he became really good. He had a record called Baby 157 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 8: Hard Times and seventy three. They did good for him. 158 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 8: So he was always, you know, doing this thing. My 159 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 8: grandfather his what was his Dave Love He had called 160 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 8: Baby Hard Times. And his father, my grandfather, he was 161 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 8: a trumpet player, which I have as trumpety in nineteen forty. 162 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 5: He used to sit in with Miles Davis, count Basie. 163 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 8: The alone is he's sitting with all these guys and 164 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 8: all these sessions and play with them. So the music 165 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 8: always been in my family had always been around. At 166 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 8: four years old, I. 167 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 5: Started playing drums about that, started playing drugs at four 168 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 5: years old and at the time we had a record 169 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 5: player that you had to stand over and look over 170 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 5: and there's the big TV on the record player. You 171 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 5: had to look over into the turntable. I used to 172 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 5: play the turntay. 173 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 8: I didn't know what I was doing, you know, DJing or nothing, 174 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 8: but I was playing these James Brown records and you know, 175 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 8: these records with breaks in it, and it just it 176 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 8: was just attractive to me as a little kid. So 177 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 8: at eight years old, when hip hop came alive, that's 178 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 8: when I started DJing and from there on I never stopped. 179 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 8: And you know, it all came from me growing up 180 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 8: knowing all the music, all the funk music and the 181 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 8: soul music for my father and my grandfather. 182 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: It's rare for us to have someone that was actually 183 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: raised in the epicenter of the culture. Could you typically 184 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: just walk me through walk me through a day in 185 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: which you are experiencing what we know is hip hop culture. 186 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: What days do these block parties happen, Like, what's what's 187 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: typical for Like what their DJing? What did the speakers 188 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: look like? What or does the equipment look like? Just 189 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: walk me through your observation of like a typical Bronx 190 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: hip hop experience back in the. 191 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 8: Days before there was hip hop records, it was just 192 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 8: the break beats. 193 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 5: It was just the MC's rhyming over the break beats. 194 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 8: DJ's arguing over which records they could cut, like Freedom 195 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 8: and Apache and I can't Stop and records like that, 196 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 8: arguing argument like it would be it wo'd be crazy 197 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 8: because it would be seven to eight DJs in one MC, right, 198 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 8: and because the DJ was so much more. 199 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 5: It was so much more. 200 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 8: To remember, the MC didn't come and be so prevalent 201 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 8: until records came out. But when you had the Furious Five, 202 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 8: you had Fantastic, you had Cold Crush. It was always 203 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 8: the DJ first Charlie chasing the Cold Crush, Grand Master 204 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 8: Flash and the Furious five, you know, Grand Wizard theory 205 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 8: on the Fantastic. So it was always about the DJ 206 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 8: more so they would argue about who would cut each 207 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 8: records they were cut because with so many DJs on 208 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 8: this party. So that's what it was that it was 209 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 8: going to the record stop, trying to find the records 210 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 8: and standing in the in the block parties in DJ 211 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 8: and in the rain while it's raining and the crowd 212 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 8: still coming and they stand out. 213 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 5: There and party with you. 214 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 8: You ain't making no money, you're blowing your equipment up, 215 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 8: all that, but it was so much of we wanted 216 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 8: to have so much fun and want people to see 217 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 8: what we're doing. 218 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 5: Now, we didn't mind it. We just had. 219 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 8: We just went out there and did our thing, and 220 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 8: it didn't matter what block it was at. We were 221 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 8: set up on a pole, plug up to a pole, 222 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 8: and that was the beginning of it, and we would 223 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 8: just keep going from there. And this went on for 224 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 8: a lot of years before records even came about, and 225 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 8: even after the records came about, it still went on. 226 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 5: But before records came about, it was more contained, you know. 227 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 8: And keep in mind, this is the time when they're 228 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 8: telling us that's just noise y'all doing. It ain't gonna 229 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 8: last long. The ain't gonna be here long. What are 230 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 8: y'all doing? Fifty years later on over here talking with quest. 231 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: Love, Thank you all right? 232 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: So technical questions I always wanted to know or get 233 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: answers to, so you know, everyone knows, or at least 234 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: for those who don't know. The legend, of course, of 235 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: the first hip hop party. August eleventh, nineteen seventy three, 236 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: cool Urk throws a party for his baby sister Cindy, 237 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: and he gets this epiphany. 238 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: That he's just going to. 239 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: Instead of making you wait for the highlight, which, of course, like, 240 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: if you're playing a six seven minute jam, there's always 241 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: like a sixteen bar part of the song. That's the breakdown, 242 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: that's the best part of the song. It's just the drums, 243 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: and everyone goes crazy for those sixteen bars and then 244 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: it's over. And of course cool Work's idea was like, 245 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: let me just play all the drum breaks at once, 246 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: you know, play give It Up for Turn and Loose 247 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: by James Brown, and then play some by the you know, 248 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: incredible bongo band. Just play the breaks. So I'm under 249 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: the impression that these parties last for what five hours 250 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: at least. 251 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 8: The first time I heard hip hop, I'm on my block. 252 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 8: This kid named this guy named Joe's. He has some 253 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 8: dice in his hand. 254 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 5: He's going, yes, ches, Shaw took the beach, y'all, and 255 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 5: he's throwing the. 256 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 9: Dice and I'm standing there looking at him. I said, 257 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 9: what do you mean, yes, yes, seaw, what is he saying. 258 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 9: He's kept saying it, yes, Yes, Shaw took the beach, y'all. 259 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 9: I'm like, you know, what's he saying? So that Friday 260 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 9: I went to Marble Little Projects. 261 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 8: They used to have the parties in the community center 262 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 8: and you get to pay for a dollar to company 263 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 8: to go see Rock one Incorporated, the DJ b Wald, 264 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 8: Kenny keV Rockwell all them. They were right there and 265 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 8: I seen DJ b Ward playing and I've seen the 266 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 8: EMBc on the mic with the echo yes ches shawl 267 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 8: y'all to the beat, y'all y'all. I said, oh shit, 268 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 8: So I'm standing there watching and then I ran home. 269 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 5: I said, your mom, I want to be a DJ. 270 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 5: She said, what's that? She brought me a mixer that 271 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 5: had no headphone home. It was a Gemini mixer. 272 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 8: It was a phone on one phono two orcs and 273 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 8: might no headphone, no plug to plugging in, and I 274 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 8: had to guess all the spots on the record. That's 275 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 8: how I got better than everybody else in the neighborhood. 276 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 8: I had headphones to work with, right, I had no 277 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 8: headphones away and I'm eight years old standing on top 278 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 8: of the milk create these older dudes looking at me 279 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 8: like this little kid's bugget no headphones, busting their ass. 280 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 5: And the girl named all the carter that was all 281 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 5: that was an circle. The younger, she was thirteen years 282 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 5: old at the time. She said, Ki Ki Creese, I 283 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 5: liked a good name for a DJ. At the time. 284 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 5: My name was DJ doctor Spank. It was a terrible name, 285 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 5: but she said, kick cries for DJ while we're going 286 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 5: in the classroom. I ended up trying to name. 287 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 8: Six months later, she was shot and killed by a 288 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,359 Speaker 8: straight brother by accident. 289 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: So I had to keep it. 290 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 5: The name. 291 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 8: Yeah, her name was all Va Cartera and I end 292 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 8: up keeping the name. Took me to the top, but 293 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 8: I was there from the beginning, watching all this and 294 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 8: being a part of it and seeing what it is. 295 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 8: That's why I appreciate my career so much, because it 296 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,599 Speaker 8: wasn't something that was just giving to me. It was 297 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 8: something I went through, all of the phases of getting 298 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 8: doors closed and everything that had to do with just 299 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 8: having just learning the business and being a part of 300 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 8: it and learning to appreciate what you. 301 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 5: Have when you and knowing when you didn't have it, 302 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. 303 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 8: And I was dere for that, So I appreciated in 304 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 8: a big way. 305 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: When you're spending these records and of course, like you 306 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: know if you study the b boy Bible of course, now, 307 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: like people know like the foundational breaks of the culture, 308 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: you know, like you're, let's dance by Pleasure or get 309 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: up and dance by uh, you know, Freedom, or those 310 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: particular records which weren't necessarily hits. You know, these weren't 311 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: songs that were played on radio. So what I want 312 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: to know is, all right, so take take a break, 313 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: like catch a Groove by Juice, a song that was 314 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: not a radio song. It was not a hit, but 315 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: yet was a staple for hip hop parties. How do 316 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: you like what is? What is what would be a 317 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: DJ's version of like cash Box Billboard Magazine to know, 318 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: Oh man, I got to get Planetary Citizen because that 319 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: is a drum break in it, Like and how how 320 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: do you find these breaks? 321 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: Like back in. 322 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: Between, you know, seventy seven to even eighty four, before 323 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: like the Ultimate Beats and Breaks compilations were made which 324 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: put all those breaks on one record. I mean, how 325 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: typical was it for you to go to a local 326 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: mom and pop record store to see, you know, a 327 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: bunch of James Brown give it up, a turner loose 328 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: or funky drummers, just like in the bin. 329 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 5: You had to go to certain stores and what would 330 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 5: happened is a lot of stories started bootlegging records when 331 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 5: hip hop started, like blow your Head. Blow your Head 332 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 5: was never a forty five or never a twelve weeks 333 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 5: they made a white label or blow your Head, So 334 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 5: that was became so big. 335 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: James, Yeah, Yeah. 336 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 8: All the apaches that came out was all bootleg a 337 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 8: patches there were. It was different different labels that put 338 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 8: it out, like different I guess independent labels or. 339 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 2: Whatever labels, and was Paul Winley labels. 340 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 5: Paul Whinley was official. Paul Whilly was the one that 341 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 5: put out the super disco breaks. 342 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 8: He would get claimers for all these break beats and 343 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 8: put him on these albums and put these albums up. 344 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 8: But Paul Whinley was the first one, was the one 345 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 8: that put Cheapa Chieba out with George. 346 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: Benson, right yo. 347 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 8: So he did that before the super disco based so 348 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 8: he was in in that realm and he did it. 349 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 8: He kind of did it the right way. But a 350 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 8: lot of times, like the records was in Downstairs Records 351 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 8: on forty thirsty, they would take these forty fives and 352 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 8: make these forty fives of these downstairs records, and these 353 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 8: forty fives would become justice s portant. It's finding the 354 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 8: original record because there was a limited amount of Like 355 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 8: my man Louis Lui, he still have those downstairs records. 356 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 8: Those downstairs records were like Planetarian Citizen and records like that. 357 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 8: These was were recorded planet Taver Receiver was never forty five. 358 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 8: So to have that it is like a gym, you 359 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 8: know what I'm saying. Lewis Forrest, No, my mother May 360 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 8: and Louis Lou, Louis Lou down downtown, Louis Lou Downtown. 361 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 8: We grew up together. He was in eighty two, eighty three. 362 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 8: This dude would have he was they used to call 363 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 8: little Bam Body. He had so much stuff way back then. 364 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 8: And he's still collecting like he's still doing it. So 365 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 8: you know, we was way ahead of the game. But 366 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 8: a lot of stuff, like I said, a lot of 367 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 8: stuff got bootlegged on forty five, and that's how we 368 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 8: got it because a lot of times we didn't know 369 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 8: the names and stuff, we didn't know what it was. 370 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 8: And even more now that I got older, I didn't 371 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 8: realize how much stuff was in the world. I got 372 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 8: so much from work, Brazil and just so many different 373 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 8: places around the world. But when we were coming up 374 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 8: with the essential break beats, we didn't think that far. 375 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. We would we were we 376 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 5: were going about what Bam was playing, but Charlie Chase 377 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 5: was playing, what Flashing was playing. 378 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 8: We would That's how we knew what to play. And 379 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 8: how we found out the names is because they were 380 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 8: bootleged the records, you know what I'm saying. So that's 381 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 8: how we would go. We go to the record shop 382 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 8: a whole boot leg section, which is brad we needed, 383 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 8: we had it. I can't stop white label like it was. 384 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 8: That's how we got our beatle. 385 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,959 Speaker 1: Oh okay, that explains it because uh, I was going 386 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: to say, maybe five months ago, Coolhirk had auctioned off 387 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: a good portion of of of his gyms and whatnot, 388 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: some artworks, flyers, memorabilia, and some of his records. So 389 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: I copped like four or five of those records and 390 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: I was like, wait, wait a minute, these are just 391 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: white labels. 392 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 2: These aren't the original ones. 393 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: But always wanted to know like how prevalent and how 394 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: and how much of an abundance was like and impeach 395 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: the president back in seventy nine, eighty one, eighty two. 396 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 8: You know what, if peace got more rare road to 397 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 8: get in the later years, earlier years it was a 398 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 8: little easier to get, but it still wasn't It still 399 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 8: wasn't something that anybody could just get, you know what 400 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 8: I'm saying, Like you had to really know that beat, 401 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 8: like like Louis. Louis was the first one I heard 402 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 8: play that, and you know, he was just so in 403 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 8: depth with what was going on, you know what I'm saying. 404 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 8: But the regular person that just wanted great beats, they 405 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 8: didn't know Impeach, they didn't know, they knew, they knew 406 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 8: the regular things that they heard in the tapes. 407 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 5: And then later on in Peach became more prevalent. 408 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: What year would you say was like the the the 409 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: highlight of or the pinnacle of Downtown records, Like for 410 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: you if you're an upstart DJ Post say, if you're 411 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: like Pioneer one point five, this is what I took 412 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: from L Pioneer one point five, like Post Flash, Post 413 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: Theodore and post Bam and hurt Is Downtown records, like 414 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: your your mecca is that the only place, like where 415 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: would you shop for the records in New York City. 416 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 8: Oh downtown, All and All record on ford them Roll 417 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 8: Music World on thirty fourth Street. But what was interesting 418 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 8: is that they used to be a Crazy Eddie on 419 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 8: Fordham Roll in the Box. When I was in Crazy 420 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 8: Eddy this day right Hip the South, I was in 421 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 8: Crazy and Cowboy and Mister Ness Scorpio. They walked in 422 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 8: Crazy Eddie. They had on boots and. 423 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 5: Leather and feathers and all that, but they would right 424 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 5: stars to be was like, look at these dudes, Like 425 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 5: right okay. So they came in seeing them, they left 426 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 5: and this dude walks in with a box. Now what 427 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 5: they used to do with Crazy Eddy. 428 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 8: They would take the new record that's out and put 429 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 8: it on top of the counter and play the album 430 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 8: out in the store. 431 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 5: This dude comes in with a box. They pulled the. 432 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 8: Record out and it was Captain Sky Super Sperm. He 433 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 8: puts it on top of the counter, he plays the album. 434 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 8: The super Sperm part comes in. 435 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 5: I hear it. 436 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 8: Run to the front, do what the hell is that? 437 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 8: Give me two of those. I bought two of those, 438 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 8: and I brought two seas for cookies. I think I'm 439 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 8: the very first dude with super Sperm man because I 440 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 8: was dead the day came in and it wasn't out 441 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 8: before that, so I think I'm the very first dude 442 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 8: with supersper But then they did uh and then they 443 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 8: remade the album and put Doctor Rock on the album. 444 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, right right, so but the. 445 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 8: Original Super Sperm album didn't have Doctor Rock on it. 446 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 8: And I was dead that day and Crazy Eddy the 447 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 8: day it came in, so I was there in the 448 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,239 Speaker 8: I was trying to get everything at this time, but 449 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 8: there wasn't a lot of places. I didn't know a 450 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 8: lot of names and stuff, so I would just get 451 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 8: it as I go. But Crazy Eddy. 452 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 5: Started started bootlegging some records and they started putting stuff in. 453 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 7: Yeah. 454 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 5: Put And then of course the street right directed across 455 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 5: the street from Crazy Edi was R and R Records, 456 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 5: and they had all the breaks there. They had a 457 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 5: lot of stuff there, so people would go over there 458 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 5: and buy their stuff, but it was it wasn't a 459 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 5: lot of places. Yea Burnside Avenue in the Bronx Dad 460 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 5: hast over there that we used to always go to, 461 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 5: and they's had a lot of bootleg twelve inches and 462 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 5: stuff like that, and that's how we got it? 463 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: Okay? So, and and forgive me for asking a lot 464 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: of pedestrian DJ questions, but I feel like, you know, 465 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: a bird in the hand is two in the bush, 466 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: and like you know you're you're the closest to this era, 467 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: so I can get all my questions out. Okay. So 468 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: how old were you when you first started DJing? Like 469 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: your first block party? Your your first party? I okay? 470 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: So equipment wise, how are you transporting this? Like? How 471 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 1: far from your house is the destination for which you're 472 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: going to DJ the gig? And how do you get 473 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: it there? Like, I know, if you're a nine year old, 474 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: you're not carrying one turntable at a time, one mixer 475 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: at the time, the table, So. 476 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 2: Like, how do you organize? 477 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 8: My building was here? The total park was right up 478 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 8: the street, set up right in front of the tot 479 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 8: of park. And then of course the street was my 480 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 8: school director of cross the street from my house, Like 481 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 8: look out my window looking in the schoolyard, John Peter 482 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 8: TikTok won forty three. We used to do parties up 483 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 8: in there in there. Everybody just come grab the equipment, 484 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 8: bring it up, bring it down the street and That's 485 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 8: how we did it. Plug it up to the pole 486 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 8: and we was out there all day and then we 487 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 8: would go to other blocks. 488 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 2: Two questions. 489 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: One, how loud is the system and wasn't loud enough 490 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: to rock a party area? 491 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 8: My block, first of all, was the main block everybody 492 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 8: would come to because it was the fly dudes on 493 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 8: the block. We just we just had a way of 494 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 8: carrying ourselves from our block so all the different areas 495 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 8: would come. So whenever we was out there with the system, 496 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 8: that shit was super loud, and people would just know 497 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 8: from Fordham, from Marble Hill, from ford Independence, from Heath Avenue, 498 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 8: from Bailey Avenue University, they would just hear the music. 499 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 5: They would just know. It didn't the word of mouth. 500 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 8: Forget around two, you know kid is rocking out there, 501 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 8: they doing a block party whatever. 502 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 5: Next you know the whole block is swamp Okay, it 503 00:23:58,720 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 5: used to be crazy. 504 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: So my second question is how are you protected? Like, 505 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: you know, as a nine year old you're with turntables 506 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: and a mixer and your records and whatnot. Is there 507 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: any situation of like, first of all, are other boroughs 508 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: allowed to come to your borough to represent, like as 509 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: a Bronx child, Are you allowed to go to Brooklyn 510 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: to spend that block party? Or like, are you staying 511 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: just where you know? 512 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 5: No, I will go with I. 513 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 8: Was invited everywhere because I got at a young age 514 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 8: early on my name travel real quick, so I would 515 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 8: go anywhere the problem was. 516 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 5: But you could go anywhere. But if you wasn't good, 517 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 5: you get your gass beat. So it's like if you 518 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 5: cover the balls, you go to Brooklyn and you was 519 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 5: not good, you may have a problem if you don't 520 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 5: they love. So it was that type of. 521 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 2: Thing has there? 522 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: So I wanted to know has there been situations of 523 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: like yo're we're taking his turntables or never, we're still 524 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: not for you. But do you know stories of like ah, man, 525 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:08,719 Speaker 1: he got his mixture? 526 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I've been to block parties where dudes got 527 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 5: guns put DJ's gotta put guns put out on. 528 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: How are you protected from that action? And how often 529 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: would that happen? 530 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 8: It never happened to me because I was rolling. I had, 531 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 8: you know, my dudes just wanna make sure I was 532 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 8: all right. But I think I'm gonna tell you this 533 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 8: question even to now all the you know all to 534 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 8: try two on the shows a year even that it's 535 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 8: the I don't carry that all that people. 536 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 5: Wanted to do things to me, and you know it 537 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 5: was never like that. 538 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 8: I never I never went another but people's neighborhood and 539 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 8: active funny or you know, treated people funny. You know, 540 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 8: I just never did that. So I never had that problem. 541 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 8: But what you're doing here, we're gonna rob you or. 542 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 5: Any of that. 543 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 8: I never had that energy, but I always had people 544 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 8: around me to make sure that I was straight. You 545 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 8: know what I'm saying that I never went places that 546 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 8: I didn't. I wasn't straight. I mean I've been in 547 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 8: some dangers of the places, but right I was always good. 548 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 8: But my energy make people feel a certain way. So 549 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 8: I don't really get David the most gangs to his dudes. 550 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: You know the reason why I asked you this question 551 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: because I actually asked Dre this question. Uh you know 552 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: pre mwa where you know, so if you remember the 553 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: scene in Straight out of Compton where he is about 554 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: to play marve Lett's uh please wait mister Postman and 555 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: he mixes it with Planet Rock, and Dre explains to me, like, yo, 556 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: that was like such a risk for me to do 557 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: because he was like unlike those other parties. You know, 558 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: like at any other party, they might give you one 559 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: chance to spin a dud that they don't feel and 560 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: you might have twenty seconds to fix it. But you know, 561 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: Dre was explaining to me that he was spinning out 562 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: a spot that was absolutely relentless and not forgiving at all, 563 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: for like the wrong record. So for him to take 564 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: such a risk, like he knew in order for him 565 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: to make a mark, he had to take a risk. 566 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: And it's like, all right, I'm gonna. 567 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: Make them think I'm gonna play some old motown shit, 568 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: then they ain't gonna get upset. 569 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 2: Then when I plant rock, they're gonna be like, oh shit. 570 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: So he was like purposely saying that he had to 571 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: lower expectations but just fast enough to elevate them. So 572 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: like what space does that leave you as a creative? 573 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: You know, because you know I told you, as I 574 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: explained at the top of the show, that you were 575 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: big on like these these classic mixes of like mixing 576 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: R and B with hip hop and this acapella with 577 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: that song, and you know, things that at least for 578 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, maybe it was typical in New York, but 579 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: I wasn't getting that in Philly, So like you were 580 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: the first tape DJ that I was getting in the 581 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: late eighties early nineties, like when I was in high 582 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: school what not? 583 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 2: So how would you find a space? 584 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: Like when did you start figuring out like ways to 585 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: make your trademark noon? 586 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 8: Well, first, let me say this. I'm a fan. I'm 587 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 8: a fan of great things. I'm a fan of good music. 588 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 8: I'm a fan of good groups and just music, just 589 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 8: everything about it. 590 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 5: I'm a fan. 591 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 8: When I go to my shows and do my shows, 592 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 8: I look at myself as a person in the crowd 593 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 8: watching myself, And how would I want to feel if 594 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 8: I was that person watching me? What would make a 595 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 8: promoter want to bring me back? What would make these 596 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 8: people want to pay to come to see me again? 597 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 8: I think like them? So with that, I like things 598 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 8: that are good. I don't put a date on things. 599 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 8: If it's good, it's good, and when it's good, it's 600 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 8: times to me. And I could take something that will 601 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 8: be unusual, nobody ever heard before, never heard it, don't 602 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 8: know nothing about it, and make it sound like it's familiar. 603 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 5: It's just the way, it's just the way it comes. 604 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 5: Of course, keep in mind question Love we DJ's anybody 605 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 5: can play these records. 606 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 8: Anybody can play these records. It's how you play it. 607 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 8: It's the impact you give. I'm always an impact due 608 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 8: to the element of surprise. 609 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 5: What's gonna make it go to the next level. What's 610 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 5: gonna make these people feel better than they did before 611 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 5: they seen me? Well, you know what I'm saying. 612 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 8: How can I make them feel like they're never gonna 613 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 8: ever go to another event that's gonna be better than this. 614 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 5: They're never gonna feel that feeling. That's my focus. So 615 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 5: with that, I'll try certain things. 616 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 8: Even if you know I was the one that started 617 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 8: playing records and taking it off in the fourth ball 618 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 8: and the reason why I was doing it is because 619 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 8: I had that comedy Jane Teller was a show and 620 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 8: I was doing the concerts and I only had a 621 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 8: fift team in the set, so I had to play 622 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 8: records quick. 623 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 5: And I'm watching these people go into a frenzy every 624 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 5: time I play this record quick, I throw one on 625 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 5: and if you pick and if you don't throw the 626 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 5: right one on after each other, you'll piss somebody off. 627 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 5: So it has to be the right one that's gonna 628 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 5: make them forget that one, and they like that, they 629 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 5: want to hear it. You're cutting off. 630 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 8: So I'm watching these big crowds losing their minded us 631 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,959 Speaker 8: to this. So I applied it to the parties and 632 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 8: then I've seen it work in the parties, and you 633 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 8: know DJ's followed that. 634 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 5: But you don't need a whole lot. Sometimes you play 635 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 5: a record too long against boring. Sometimes the hook is 636 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 5: just the best part. Sometime this the count off is 637 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 5: the best part. Sometime the intro is the best part, 638 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 5: and the leading to something else. But that's building a continuity. 639 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 5: That's building. 640 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 8: That's that's painting a picture for people and kind of 641 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 8: giving them a story from beginning the middle of it. 642 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 8: And you kind of tell the story. And I've had 643 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 8: somebody tell me that. He was like, yo, i've seen you. 644 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 8: I've been the six of your shows. It's like you're 645 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 8: trying to talk to us. It's like you're trying to 646 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 8: tell us the stormy And that's exactly what I'm doing. 647 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 8: So if you play I can play Sad for the 648 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 8: Son Christy Jones, Sad for the Sun, Boo boo boo, 649 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 8: right in the middle of the party. The way I 650 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 8: play it make the crowd go crazy. But if I 651 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 8: play it in a different way, they look at me like, 652 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 8: what the hell's he doing? 653 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: Right? 654 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 8: So it's all the way, it's all in the presentation, 655 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 8: it's all high you deliver it. 656 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 5: And I've been very lucky with that. 657 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: What year did you really start DJing? Like what's your 658 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: actual like first year. 659 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 7: Nineteen seventy six, Okay, in that period in which you're 660 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 7: collecting records and doing this, what was the holy grail 661 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 7: of breaks or records that wasn't available or as prevalent 662 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 7: as it is now for you back then? 663 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,479 Speaker 1: Like what was like, oh my god, I found it, 664 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: like even though I never used it, Like finding funky 665 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: drummer on forty five meant something to me. But I 666 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: found funky drummer on forty five, Like yeah, what like 667 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: ten twelve years ago, you know, like, oh, I never 668 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: knew they made this on forty five and then I 669 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: found a bunch of them. But for you, like what 670 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: was that record? Like, oh my god, Like I can't 671 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: wait to what was the hardest record to a choir 672 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: back then in your formative years rocking in the pocket? Yo? 673 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 6: What is it? 674 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: Okay? Can you explain to me, like as as a 675 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: break Officionado and I get it like I've I've heard 676 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: many of those mixtapes, cats rhyme over whatever. I mean. 677 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: Right now as I speak to you, I'm on a 678 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: break uh Rehearson with ll even l goes on. They're like, yo, 679 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: we gotta do something. The Rocket in the pocket. We 680 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: gotta do something rocket and like, what is it? 681 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 2: It's rocking in the pocket. 682 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: And Saronne Sarne got yeah, Sarne is a French drummer. 683 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: Rocket in Pocket is kind of like a break of his. 684 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is a live album or not. 685 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: There's a crowd in it. 686 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 5: Yes, it's a live record, and we had to put 687 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 5: it on forty five. 688 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: Forty five. I was about to say it was very slow. Yep, 689 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: what is it about that record? So when that album 690 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: first came out back then like all of you all, 691 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: we're going to eight chip like I gotta get rocking 692 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: in the pocket. 693 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 5: I got damn mind. Whenever I remember, it was a pool, 694 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 5: a pool woom, there was a pool wom one. 695 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 8: He fathol in the Bronx and Louis came to the 696 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 8: pool room and they did his party in there. 697 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 5: Louis was DJ and he played Rock in the Pocket. 698 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 8: Man, it was like the whole room just stopped, like 699 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,719 Speaker 8: everybody was like, what the fuck's that? And he played it. 700 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 8: He played every time he cut it. People you just 701 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 8: seen it was just crazy. And then from that day on, 702 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 8: that's the next time I heard it was with Cold Quest. 703 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 8: But from that day on, Rock in the Pocket was 704 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 8: like one of the top joints. And you couldn't find 705 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 8: it nowhere because there was two rocking in the pockets. 706 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 8: There was the one, there was the studio Rock in 707 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 8: the Pocket right, and then it was the lid one. 708 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 8: The live one is the one, so it was hard 709 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 8: to hit that lid one, so they bootlegged it. 710 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: Ah, I gotta when when you spin it on forty five, 711 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: it sounds it sounds kind of a little early because 712 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: you know, the the guitar is kind of on top 713 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: of the snare, so it does it it sounds like 714 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: some futuristic ship, which it just sounds like an industrial 715 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: break beat. So okay, Rocket and Pocket, that makes sense? 716 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 2: Yep? 717 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: Was King Tim the third? In your opinion? Was that 718 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: a pioneering moment for you guys or was it just 719 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: sort of like shrug? 720 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 2: Okay? 721 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: King Tim the third, No big deal, And what was 722 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: your reaction to rappers delight like hearing what you're you're 723 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 1: involved with on a local kind of a local basis. 724 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: Now being on a record, what was your reaction to it? 725 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 5: Well, let me say this. First of all, Bill Curtis 726 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 5: from the Fat Bat Ben is my uncle. Oh wow, 727 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,760 Speaker 5: oh word, Yeah, he's mouchel. I just so, I interviewed 728 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 5: him recently on ig. 729 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 8: He gave me some du He gave me some two 730 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 8: inches of some of their old stuff from the seventy stuff. 731 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 8: I ain't going through it yet. I just I just 732 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 8: did a record form that you were real good in London. 733 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 8: You have his masters over here. 734 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: And Wiki wacky Yeah, I got. 735 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 5: That's what I wanted to use. I wanted to do 736 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 5: Wicki waki yoga. That's crazy, you said, yo, what yo yo, 737 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 5: that's crazy. I did. I did it. I did the beat. 738 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 5: I just didn't like the vib yet. But the beat 739 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,439 Speaker 5: is done. But that's crazy, he said. 740 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 1: We just got back from London with the Chili Peppers 741 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: and I did a DJ gig. I didn't realize that 742 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: Wiki Wacky is a religion, and it wasn't until Giles 743 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: Peterson reminded me that even on the song Maureen by Shade, 744 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: she mentions like a good time in her life was 745 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: her and her girlfriends dancing to Wiki Wacky in the nightclub. 746 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: And I didn't realize that. When I put that song on, 747 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: it was like I put on smells like teen spirit 748 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: back in the day, Yo, Bill. 749 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 8: My uncle man Very chiny I produced the records for 750 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 8: them recently called Bang Bang Bang. That's doing real good 751 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 8: in you for them, it's doing real good as a 752 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 8: matter of fact. And he's ninety years old. Man, he's 753 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 8: still going, still going, still touring, still. 754 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 5: Traveling, still in the studio, comes over here to my 755 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 5: crib everything, So he's really moving. But to ask you 756 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 5: a question, let's go back. 757 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 8: Because people think hip hop started with rappers, Delight, what 758 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 8: records started with rappers alike? All right, King Tim The 759 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 8: third was the Personality Job was the first rap record 760 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 8: in our way of doing rap, in our way of 761 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 8: doing hip hop. But rap started way in the forties. 762 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 8: The first rappers was the Jewbileese, a group called the 763 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 8: Jewbilees for for a singer gospel kind of singers, but 764 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 8: they rhyme just like a rapper. If you go and 765 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 8: you listen to the listen to go pull up their 766 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 8: video on YouTube. They rhyme exactly with the bars, with 767 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 8: the flow, with everything. It's it's amazing. And this is 768 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 8: in the forties. The first time a rap record was 769 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 8: made was here Come to Judge from Pigmy Market, pig 770 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 8: Me Mom Mark Him Comedian. He had his record Here 771 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 8: Come to Judge, had the crazy heartbeat to it. But 772 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 8: James Brown was the one that gave the format of 773 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 8: where hip hop was going to be. 774 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 5: Pigmy Martin was pig Me Mark Hen was the first one. 775 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 8: To rhyme as a rapper, as in a rap in 776 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 8: a wrap way on that type of music. So it 777 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,240 Speaker 8: was already here, what we're doing is just a remix 778 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 8: now in our way. Yes, Hurts came in seventy three 779 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 8: and into this room when he's playing these these soul records, 780 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 8: you know, and that was the beginning. But I remember 781 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 8: being that young watching everybody break dancing and seventy three, 782 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 8: seventy two, seventy three, seventy four, I remember watching people 783 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 8: break dancing and just begun the James Brown pat hands 784 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 8: and fast legged potential records like that. This was back 785 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 8: then I and you know, I was a young kid 786 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,479 Speaker 8: watching this. So eventually it grew into when seventy seven 787 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 8: came around and DJ started, all that was tied together. 788 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 8: But it was started way before we even was even born. 789 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 2: Mh. 790 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,240 Speaker 5: You know, it's just that, you know, black people. 791 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 8: It created so many things that got overlooked, you know, 792 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 8: so many things that was pushed it aside, and this 793 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 8: was one of them. 794 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 1: You know. 795 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 8: It just it just took many more years for us 796 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 8: to really catch on to make it prevident, but it 797 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 8: was going rap was going on since back then. 798 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 1: What do you consider because you know, I, in my eyes, 799 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: I consider you like the first generation of superstar DJs, 800 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: where you know, just way past the pioneering stage of 801 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: like where Flashing Bada took it, like you as a product, 802 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: but for you, like coming out the starting gate. I 803 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: knew of you, and I knew of ron G like, 804 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: but for you, who were the the main the forefathers 805 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: of the superstar DJ errors where you're making mixtapes, where 806 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: you're tearing up black colleges, where you're starting to get 807 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: mainstream love on like television shows like who Who do 808 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,760 Speaker 1: you consider who's the peer group of the superstar DJ 809 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: Era for you. 810 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 8: I got to put Red Alert up there. I got 811 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 8: to put fan Master Flaship there, I got to put 812 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 8: Charlie Chase up there. And the reason why I say 813 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 8: these names because it hurt, of course, because they were 814 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,359 Speaker 8: the ones that was there first. 815 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 5: They were the ones that you know, I always say this, 816 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 5: like I work with everybody. 817 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,720 Speaker 8: Everybody. You see my bet performance I put. I curated 818 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 8: a whole BT show. My whole thing was to make 819 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 8: to get a course that the young and the old 820 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,240 Speaker 8: party together and enjoy theirself. 821 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:43,959 Speaker 5: And I think I hit that mark. 822 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 8: But you know, my heros is always the dudes that 823 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,760 Speaker 8: came before me, the dudes that didn't make the money 824 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,760 Speaker 8: I made or got the fame that I might have gotten, 825 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 8: order the accolades I've got, but they built it from 826 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 8: the ground up. You know a lot of times some 827 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 8: of our elder statesmen, they get stuck in their school 828 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 8: way of thinking and they don't want to change, you 829 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, And change is going to happen. 830 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 8: I remember had a talk with her one time and 831 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 8: I told herk I said, it hurt, you know that 832 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 8: it wasn't going to just stay in the Bronx. It 833 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 8: was gonna go a worldwide you know, because what happened 834 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 8: was a lot of times we got selfish. We was 835 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 8: in the Bronx, we made it, We wanted to stay there, 836 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 8: like this was something that the world was going to 837 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 8: take over, you know what I'm saying. So a lot 838 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,760 Speaker 8: of times the world could be harsh to the ones 839 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 8: that helped build it, and it makes those people that 840 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,879 Speaker 8: help build it feel a certain way. So now when 841 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 8: they say something, it looks like they're being old. It 842 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 8: looks like they mad at somebody, it looks like. 843 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 5: They bitter, you know. 844 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 8: But what it is is that they feel like they 845 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 8: didn't get fulfilled in the way that they think they should, 846 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 8: you know. And that's why Hip hop fifty is great 847 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 8: because now it's no it's a balance. It's everybody's being seen, 848 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 8: everybody's making money, everybody is being appreciated, and the young 849 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 8: dudes are seeing how important these older dudes were are 850 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 8: and what they've done in the path that they put 851 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 8: forty younger dudes. But the older dudes got to understand 852 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 8: that the younger dudes is going to change and do 853 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 8: what they want and what's relevant to them and what 854 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 8: they like you don't have to like it, but you cannot. 855 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 5: Days are going to change. 856 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 4: Hi, folks, this is Shugar Steve and right here is 857 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 4: where we're going to pause this interview. Check back next week. 858 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 4: We're looking your podcast feed for part two. In that conversation, 859 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 4: Kid Capri speaks about his transition to album making and production, 860 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 4: how Bismarck he helped him get a deal, and what 861 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 4: motivates him today. Thank you for celebrating fifty years of 862 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 4: hip hop with Questlove Supreme. If you haven't already, please 863 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 4: check out our interviews this month celebrating hip hop innovators. 864 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,760 Speaker 4: In addition to Kid Capri, we have conversations with Styles 865 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 4: P and slum Village. 866 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: What's Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. For more 867 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 868 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,760 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.