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Speaker 1: Middlcoff at the volume coming up. I'm going to have

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Speaker 1: John and I are going to talk every Sunday night

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Speaker 1: during the season. So John just has a wealth of information.

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Speaker 1: The former scout. He's a buddy, he's a friend, He's

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Speaker 1: really good at stuff. You know. I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: if you go look at the quarterback position in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: it almost feels corporate. Even Tom Brady's personality was suppressed

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Speaker 1: to me. If I said to you big personality at quarterback,

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Speaker 1: That personality is wonderful, but what you're basically doing. The

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Speaker 1: more power you have in life, the more you will

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Speaker 1: more vital information. I told somebody once when I was

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Speaker 1: tough questions, to be a cooler, to be a blanket,

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Speaker 1: the whole joke of the sketch was Joe Montana was great,

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Speaker 1: And the schedule's tough enough and the O line is

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Speaker 1: concerning enough that the Jets could get pushed around in

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Speaker 1: This is why for years and years I've said I

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Speaker 2: I mean, Rogers is older, but Russell in his prime.

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Speaker 1: where Russell's optimism could be very beneficial. I think at

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's on scholarship for a while. He's the boss. Aaron.

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Speaker 1: and Barkley an experienced playoff quarterback, progressive, smart offensive coach.

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Speaker 1: They're in a winnable division. I mean, it's certainly not

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Speaker 1: the AFC West, it's not the AFC East. I look

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Speaker 1: say about Daniel Jones and Alex Smith had this, he

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Speaker 1: doesn't lose you games. He had five picks last year.

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Speaker 1: You know, Daniel is one of those guys that, in fact,

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Speaker 1: He said his issue he doesn't let it rip enough. Well,

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Speaker 1: the upside to that is Alex and Daniel Jones didn't

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Speaker 1: They know, but they're not. They're both big Jalones bigger,

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Speaker 1: Golden said he just overthinks the room. He said, he'll

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Speaker 1: he goes home film Guy do, Guy Bright, I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I think the Giants are better than people think. In fact,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't it be. I mean, if we were guessing a headline,

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Speaker 1: would you be shocked if this was the headline? Giants

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Speaker 2: Well and tell me this. If I tell you the

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Speaker 2: final four in the NFC is the forty nine Ers,

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Speaker 2: the Giants, the Eagles and the Cowboys. Who's not signing

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Speaker 2: up for that? Right at the markets? The history. The

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Speaker 2: other thing I give Brian Daball a lot of credit

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Speaker 2: on is like to be a good like, you can

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Speaker 2: only do so much as the head coach. You need

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Speaker 2: good assistance and you need good coordinators. He hired Mike Kafka,

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Speaker 2: Kansas City. So you bring him over to him as

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Speaker 2: they got away from that for a long time. And

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Speaker 2: they say what you want about the Cowboys, they just

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Speaker 2: And sometimes you gotta get a little lucky anytime you

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Speaker 2: hire a first time head coach McVeigh, Kyle, whatever, right,

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Speaker 2: you need luck on your side. But then if you

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Speaker 2: hire the right guy, your franchise will be okay. It's

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Speaker 2: why so many of these teams just suck in perpetuity.

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Speaker 2: They just constantly hire these guys that should not be

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Speaker 2: head coaches. It's not that complicated of a sport if

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Speaker 2: you can just get the right head coach.

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Speaker 1: Former scout John Middlecoff at the Volume three and Out

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