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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods, presented by first Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the.

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Speaker 2: Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on the show, I'm

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Speaker 2: joined by my longtime collaborators and co hosts of the

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Speaker 2: Wired Hunt podcast at one time or another, Dan Johnson

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Speaker 2: and Tony Peterson, and we are breaking down their twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five rut hunts, having a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: therapy session here, having some good laughs, sharing some stories,

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Speaker 2: and discussing the lessons they've learned from these past couple

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Speaker 2: weeks of epic rut hunts. All right here with me

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Speaker 2: now on the line are two questionably chosen friends of mine,

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Speaker 2: to people who I frequently thought over the years, you know,

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Speaker 2: why have I chosen to spend time around these people?

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Speaker 2: They say that you are the average of the five

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Speaker 2: people you spend the most time with. And while I

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Speaker 2: don't get to spend as much physical time like in

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Speaker 2: real life with these guys as I wish, I have

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Speaker 2: spent a whole lot of hours digitally with them and

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Speaker 2: so I do wonder if I'm becoming more like them

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Speaker 2: by virtue of that, and that raises a lot of

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Speaker 2: red flags. But I digress. The point that I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to make here is that we've all just come off

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Speaker 2: of our big old rucations, and both Tony and Dan,

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Speaker 2: both you guys had some success, I think, some struggles

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Speaker 2: along the way. So I wanted to debrief, see how

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Speaker 2: you're feeling, see how it went, see if you learned anything,

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Speaker 2: or if you're still as blockheaded as you were when

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Speaker 2: this whole month started. So tell me this on a

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Speaker 2: one to ten scale, Dan, how are you feeling post

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Speaker 2: rut cation right now? Ten being you feel amazing? One

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Speaker 2: feeling like it kicked your ass.

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Speaker 3: Mentally, I was telling Tony before we started recording. Mentally,

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Speaker 3: I'm back in I'm back in Dad' zone, husband zone. Mentally,

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Speaker 3: I'm okay. Mentally I'm stable. Take that how you want

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Speaker 3: to take it. Physically, I'm a broken man, like dude,

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Speaker 3: I'm not joking. This year I had to use a

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Speaker 3: crutch to get to a tree stand and lay down

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Speaker 3: my crutch and then basically on my right knee every

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Speaker 3: time I had to do a step. I had to

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Speaker 3: do a pull up to get on to the next step.

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Speaker 3: And if you guys know anything about the old school

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Speaker 3: lone Wolf's stands that have the alternating sticks, that's how

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Speaker 3: all my setups are. And so I struggled getting into

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Speaker 3: stands for like three three days and it sucked, man,

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Speaker 3: it sucked, but I toughed it out.

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Speaker 4: A crutch, a crutch, a straight up crutch. Day one.

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Speaker 3: The first day was a trekking pole that didn't work

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Speaker 3: because I was like having to put two I couldn't

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Speaker 3: put any pressure on my right knee.

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Speaker 4: What did you do to your knee?

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Speaker 3: Well, other than just years of abuse them all?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: So you know on some of these split trees that

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Speaker 3: maybe about four foot up they split, and so I

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Speaker 3: went two sticks on the left side and then two

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Speaker 3: the left side, so I was like wedged right in there.

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Speaker 3: It makes for like a really good tree stand placement

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Speaker 3: and going up no problem, but coming down I have

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Speaker 3: And then when I went to pivot back to straighten

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Speaker 3: but my knee did. And it's just it's like bone

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Speaker 3: on bone in there anyway. And I just ordered another

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Speaker 3: I just scheduled another knee injection for next month. So

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Speaker 3: so aside from that, I mean, it just took me

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Speaker 4: That's about it.

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Speaker 2: But I've got a lot of questions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, was good, man, I mean, well, I say good

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Speaker 3: because I shot a deer. But the first week in

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Speaker 3: November suck, man, it was slow. This whole nonsense that

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Speaker 3: you you do about sitting all day, that's all. That's

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Speaker 3: all lie, That's that's industry bullshit, right, Nobody like I don't.

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Speaker 3: I'm never gonna sit all day.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 3: I hunted all day, but I never sat all day.

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Speaker 3: And but then second week, dude, one of the best

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Speaker 3: days of hunting I've had in several years took place

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Speaker 3: on November tenth, and great day, a lot of movement,

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Speaker 3: great coming off that cold front. And aside from that,

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Speaker 3: just really like that's a long way of saying I

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Speaker 3: had fun. It was a great it was a great time,

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Speaker 3: good rut. First week was slow, second week was better.

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Speaker 2: So I want to follow up on some of that stuff,

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Speaker 2: but I first want to get to Tony. Tony, what

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Speaker 2: was your just you know, one to ten scale of

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Speaker 2: how you're feeling post your couple of rut trips.

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Speaker 5: This is going to sound crazy, but I feel like

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Speaker 5: I'm out of ten.

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Speaker 2: Whoa.

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Speaker 5: I accomplished everything that I set out too for this

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Speaker 5: rut in a way that I didn't think was possible.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: So I'm not we'll get into this. I'm sure.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying I didn't get my ass absolutely kicked

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Speaker 5: at certain points. But I had big goals in Nebraska,

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Speaker 5: and I had big goals in Wisconsin, and I knocked

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Speaker 5: him all off the list, and I feel good about it.

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Speaker 2: Man, He's so good, isn't he?

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Speaker 4: Dan?

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Speaker 3: He just do just geez from way downtown. Tony just

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Speaker 3: man crushing his goals in life. Congratulations. I wish I

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Speaker 3: was more like you, buddy.

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Speaker 4: Well, you probably just never get there, Bud. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Bravo, Tony, Bravo. We've got a lot to learn from

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Speaker 2: Tony here. But let's let's start low.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about you, guys, but I just showed

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Speaker 3: up and shot too great, dear, and I mean ship,

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Speaker 3: I have the best rude ever.

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Speaker 4: You guys didn't.

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Speaker 3: That's funny.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's start in the pits and work our way

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Speaker 2: up to Tony's perfection. So so Dan, uh, give me,

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Speaker 2: give me some more details. He just told us how

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Speaker 2: you destroyed your knee. Uh, walk me through it. It

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Speaker 2: seemed like like following you from Afar, watching you know,

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Speaker 2: I had a friend. I had a friend texted me

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Speaker 2: and they said, man Dan's Instagram meltdown last night was

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Speaker 2: must see TV. Oh yeah, although I do feel bad

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Speaker 2: for him, that was.

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Speaker 3: That was just one hunt though. That was just one

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Speaker 3: was just like, I mean, we've all had it, those

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Speaker 4: The deer were there. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's like, and this farm that I was hunting, I'm

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Speaker 3: And then as I'm coming out of the timber. All

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Speaker 3: this zigging and zagging and things like that. But that's

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Speaker 3: not saying that I didn't have opportunity. I definitely had opportunity.

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Speaker 3: But meltdown came on the best day that I talked

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Speaker 4: I sat this one tree.

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Speaker 3: So we had this conversation a long time ago about

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Speaker 3: being too mobile. Yeah, and like in the past, I

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Speaker 3: and I wanted to see just see if that changed things, right,

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Speaker 3: my goal during the rut was this. It was one goal.

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Speaker 3: I want to have a couple dos then shooting range

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Speaker 3: be coming to investigate. And so sure enough, on the

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Speaker 4: And then out of the back of the sticket, I.

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Speaker 3: See a little movement and there's this ten pointer shows up,

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Speaker 3: I ranged the gap, but comes through he just stops

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Speaker 3: perfectly and I'm already at full draw. I arranged that

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Speaker 3: just like, you gotta be kidding me, Like I felt

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Speaker 3: him and he wants those dose here. He comes back again,

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Speaker 3: same trail, draw back, same gap right before this little

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Speaker 3: dead center this time, maybe even a hair low over

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Speaker 3: his back again, And I'm like, what like I And

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Speaker 3: that's where the melk dot came from. I said some

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Speaker 3: bad words on internet. But so here's the deal. Instead

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Speaker 2: Before you explain that, Okay, I want to understand now,

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Speaker 2: for people who saw your Instagram meltown, they they they

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Speaker 2: got this. But for those who didn't see it, ye,

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Speaker 2: walk me through your mental state and like your state

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Speaker 2: of confusion or just like you your self analysis after

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Speaker 2: all that happened, Like you were talking through the how

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Speaker 2: could this happen? How did I do this? What's wrong

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Speaker 2: with me? What happened?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Talk me through what that was?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So the first shot.

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Speaker 3: The first shot goes off, and I'm a foot over

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Speaker 3: the back and I'm just like, Dan Johnson doesn't miss

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Speaker 3: like that, right, He's he's on that Tony Peterson level.

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Speaker 3: He just doesn't Yeah, he doesn't make he doesn't make

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Speaker 3: those kind of mistakes.

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Speaker 4: Dude, I miss like that a lot and so and

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Speaker 4: so I just was like, what the hell.

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Speaker 3: But I didn't have enough time to like break it

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Speaker 3: It was like forty five seconds goes by, he pops off,

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Speaker 3: Well? So I go back to the truck right and

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Speaker 4: Naturally?

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Speaker 3: Nope, naturally both times because he was getting ready to

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Speaker 2: So if we were to ignore the shot mistake there, yep,

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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, absolutely, especially with a lock tight access route.

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Speaker 3: I mean this thing on a west wind, this stand

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Speaker 3: And and I've had encounters in that stand before, so

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Speaker 4: The buck. The spike buck left.

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Speaker 3: That farm is loaded with deer. And so I see

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Speaker 4: Jaw dropped and the blood started boiling.

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Speaker 3: Man. And I was just like, let's do it and

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Speaker 2: So did you have did you have any like did

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Speaker 2: You were like, I usually would have passed this buck.

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Speaker 2: I passed bucks like this earlier. I shouldn't shoot it,

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Speaker 2: but then you like, ask, screw it, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: Well, the expectation, I mean, I've talked to both of

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Speaker 3: I'm a I'm a bow hunter. I'm not a land manager.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go out for my number one, number

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Speaker 3: but it was just an opportunity that I was like,

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Speaker 4: He was good enough.

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Speaker 3: And when you say it like that, it's almost like, ooh,

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Speaker 4: He was good enough. But for me, I was just like, dude,

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Speaker 3: Going in my freezer and his euro amounts going on

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Speaker 3: life is outside of this tree stand, and I wanted

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Speaker 3: not have shot. But people change, goals change, life changes,

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Speaker 3: and this is a result of that life that makes.

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Speaker 2: Love that it does. I love it. I think like

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Speaker 2: that's such a great for people who have listened to

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Speaker 2: when you were you know, passing Giant Bucks and talking

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00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 2: about how you had to shoot a one seventy or whatever,

439
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: chasing shipwreck and all these other deer, and then to

440
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,239
Speaker 2: have this trajectory that you've been on. You've had all

441
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 2: sorts of great success, but then you've also had all

442
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: these other things in your life that you're realizing matters

443
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 2: so much too. I think it's just a really great

444
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,959
Speaker 2: example of you know, it being okay to change and

445
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: to go through these different things, and that you had

446
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 2: an awesome hunt and it was your awesome hunt, and

447
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 2: that's all it matters. It doesn't matter what I think,

448
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what some jerk on the internet thinks. So

449
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: you set a really good example, I think, for people

450
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: to hunt their own hunts, to enjoy whatever it is

451
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 2: they want to enjoy.

452
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

453
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 2: I just I really like that.

454
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 4: It was.

455
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 3: It was fun, man, And I think I don't know

456
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 3: about you, Tony, but at our age we start thinking

457
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: about at this halfway point, we start thinking about things

458
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 3: a little bit differently, and I just can't, like, I

459
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 3: don't know, I've had this crazy mindset change just about

460
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 3: about everything in my life and how I've approached it

461
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: yesterday and previously and today and tomorrow and moving forward.

462
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 3: It's just this, it's just a complete different mindset on life.

463
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 3: When I call it a mid life crisis, I guess

464
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 3: I don't.

465
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: Know, you know. And when it comes right down to it,

466
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,479
Speaker 2: this whole deer thing, it it's so stupid. It get

467
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: matters so little in the big scheme of things, whether

468
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 2: or not you shoot a big buck, right, And that's

469
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: what I've just like started realizing over the last half decade,

470
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: or whether is that it's just we put way too

471
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: much pressure on ourselves or whatever to do this thing

472
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 2: that ultimately doesn't really matter. If you're not enjoying it,

473
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: if you're not doing it for the reasons that really

474
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: truly satisfy you and your family, then what in the

475
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: hell are we doing?

476
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 4: So?

477
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool story, cool to see all that come together.

478
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you filled the tag and had a

479
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: great hunt.

480
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's cool that.

481
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 3: When you don't go into that you had you went

482
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 3: through this a couple of years ago where you felt

483
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 3: like you had to go shoot a big buck because

484
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: you were Mark Kenyon of Wired to hunt and I

485
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 3: in order for me to validate who I am and

486
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: what I talk about.

487
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 4: Inches of antler matter.

488
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 3: Dude, I shed that shit and it feels so good

489
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: sitting in a tree stand knowing that if dude, there

490
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 3: was a spike that came by and I almost wanted

491
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 3: to just shoot him and just be like got him,

492
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: you know, like love Ye had a great time, did it?

493
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 4: Yeah?

494
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 3: And you know it's like you when you think about this.

495
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 3: I'm sure both of you guys get a lot of messages.

496
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 3: And I'll end on this. How many people every single

497
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 3: year go out and attempt to bow hunt white tails,

498
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 3: and of those people, there are a lot that are unsuccessful.

499
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: And to be able to be successful on a white

500
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 3: tail with a bow is is something you should anybody

501
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 3: should be proud of, no matter what the inches or

502
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 3: sex of that animal is. That's a win, dude, that's

503
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: a win.

504
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's also say though, on like the alternative side,

505
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 2: when you look at how many people kill big Bucks

506
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: quote unquote big Bucks. There's a whole ton of people

507
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: that kill big Bucks now too, right with a bow

508
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: And what I'm also realized is that's not that special either.

509
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 2: By that, I mean like it doesn't really matter, Like, yeah,

510
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 2: any time Dick or Harry can kill a big giant

511
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: buck doesn't make you special, doesn't make you an elite

512
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: deer hunter, doesn't make you someone who you know, Yeah,

513
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. So it's like both sides. It's like, man,

514
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter that much either way, whether you

515
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: can shoot a big giant buck or you choose to

516
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: shoot small bucks. It's about your own hunt. I mean,

517
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: it's something like we said, like a decade ago hunt,

518
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: your own hunt. And I feel like I'm better understanding

519
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: that every single year. And there's few people that understand

520
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: this better than the spike killer himself. Tony Peterson.

521
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's a great sentiment, Mark to give Dan

522
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 5: a bunch of love for shooting a buck that he's

523
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 5: a little bit self conscious about it, and then immediately

524
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 5: try to give me.

525
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 4: Ship for shooting spikes. Uh huh. Anyway, I thought you'd

526
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 4: appreciate that. You have the nicest prick.

527
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 3: I know.

528
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: He deserves it, Dan, you know that you know that.

529
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 3: Wow.

530
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 2: To tell us about Nebraska, Tony, you said, have went

531
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: so well, You are so good. You not only killed

532
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: a big giant buck yourself, but you guided two other

533
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: people to big giant Bucks. As I understand it too,

534
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: tell us, tell us all about it.

535
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 5: So Nebraska was NonStop stress for me since Steve called

536
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 5: me last December. But I felt pretty qualified to set

537
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 5: this hunt up because it's a low deer density deal.

538
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 5: I mean, that place just doesn't have very many of

539
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 5: a year. Like I kind of got to know all

540
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 5: of them, but I had We had three guys. So

541
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 5: we have Steve, who's not, you know, big into white

542
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 5: tail bowl hunting. We have Pottery Pat his neighbor who's

543
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 5: an awesome dude who's never really bow hunted white tails

544
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 5: this way right their Western dudes whatever, and then myself

545
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 5: And so we have three hunters, three camera guys. Who

546
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 5: the most experienced in a tree stand out of those

547
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 5: three camera guys I think was Max Barta, which is

548
00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 5: pretty light I mean anyway, So it was there's going

549
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 5: to be a challenge, and I knew we had big Bucks,

550
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 5: but I also knew it was going to be like

551
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 5: You're gonna sit all day and maybe not see one

552
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 5: kind of deal and until one shows up.

553
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: Is this the is this property that you guys are hunting.

554
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: It's similar to some of the other Nebraska stuff that

555
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: we've hunted that's like pretty wide open and then cover

556
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: all by the river. Is it that kind of place?

557
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 5: So yes, but this whole place is a working cattle ranch,

558
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 5: so there's no like you walked through it, you're like,

559
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 5: there's not hardly any cover, I mean on the entire thing.

560
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 5: So the sand hills type sand hills type stuff for

561
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 5: further east, it's it's east, but it's like sand hill,

562
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 5: Like one half of this entire ranch is a moonscape

563
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 5: that sand hills. There was no deer on there, there

564
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 5: was a river bottom in there. There's some cat till slews.

565
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 5: It's an interesting property. It was a cool property, but

566
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 5: it's really light on good habitat.

567
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 4: If there weren't.

568
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 5: Cattle in there and they left it about three years,

569
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 5: it would be unreal, like literally unreal. Anyway, went down

570
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 5: there a couple times the summer hun cameras, went back,

571
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 5: hung stands, put up blinds, and then Steve for like

572
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 5: a month and a half before this haunt is like,

573
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,239
Speaker 5: send me pictures of coyotes, fox, bobcats because I'm going

574
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 5: to trap. And at first I thought he was messing

575
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 5: with me, and I was like I'm not sending you.

576
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 5: Just on the off chance that he's not joking, I'm like,

577
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 5: I'm not sending you any pictures of coyotes or anything.

578
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, way, don't trap this, Like, don't freaking

579
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 5: do it. So as we get closer, he's like, send

580
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 5: me pictures of coyotes, and I'm like, no, I'm not

581
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 5: gonna do it because I had I had all the

582
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 5: I had all the cameras, so I have the Moultary

583
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 5: app So we get there, drive down there Monday night, right,

584
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 5: those guys have like a fifteen hour drive from Bozeman,

585
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 5: however long it is.

586
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 4: Pull a camp or big production deal whatever.

587
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 5: The night before, you know, we're looking at wind and

588
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 5: it's like I learned my lesson in the last couple

589
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 5: years on the RUT. I'm like, I'm setting up for

590
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 5: south winds and I'm setting up for north winds because

591
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 5: we've been getting a lot of south the last couple

592
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 5: of years, and I'm like, I'm not gonna get burned

593
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 5: this way, right, So we have a limited number of

594
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 5: setups for each wind, and you know, you look at

595
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 5: the forecast and you're like, okay, we got a north

596
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 5: in the morning. And a south in the afternoon, north

597
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 5: in the morning, south in the afternoon, or vice versa.

598
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 5: So I'm like, we got to be we have very

599
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 5: few spots where you're gonna sit all daycause you're gonna

600
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 5: have to shift anyway. So we're going through the plan

601
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 5: and I'm like, okay, I have two really good river

602
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 5: bottom stands with killer pinch points by them, but they're

603
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 5: not that easy to get to if you've never been there,

604
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 5: Like you got to cross this big river. And so

605
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm going to go into the farthest river

606
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 5: crossing stand. I'm gonna map, you know, put my tracker on,

607
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 5: map my route so you guys don't get dunked in

608
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 5: the night, you know, or when you're walking in there

609
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 5: in the morning.

610
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 4: Whatever.

611
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 5: And then I'm like, okay, Pat, I'm gonna send you

612
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 5: to this ground blind I have on this pinch point

613
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 5: on the other side of the ranch that just turned on.

614
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 4: There's been tons of deer going by there.

615
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 5: And then I had a spot for Steve, and Steve's like,

616
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go set a trap line in the morning

617
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 5: on November fourth, of course, so I'm like okay, So

618
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 5: I go out it takes me way longer to get in.

619
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 4: I gave it a lot of time.

620
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 5: A couple fall starts in the river where it got

621
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 5: too deep, and you know, you're filming stuff in the

622
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 5: dark and whatever. So it's like getting to that point

623
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 5: where I'm like, we got to we got to get

624
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 5: in there, right. We get to the stand. Camera guy

625
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 5: goes up. He's never been in a tree stand before.

626
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 5: He's kind of banging, clanging around tree arms, the whole thing,

627
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 5: and it's like starting to look light. And I looked

628
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 5: at my phone and I'm like, by the time I

629
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 5: get into that stand, it'll be shooting light. But I'm like,

630
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know what to do, like whatever.

631
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 5: So he gets up, kind of gets settled in. I

632
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 5: send the camera up. I climb up, pull my bow up,

633
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 5: hang my pack up, hang my bow up. And I

634
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 5: hear something and I look and there's a deer like

635
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 5: forty yards away, and I tell I tell Drew, I'm like, hey, buddy,

636
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 5: you gotta get your shit together because we have something

637
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 5: here right now. And he like clangs his carabineer on

638
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 5: a safety harness on the on the stand, and so

639
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 5: I reach up and I moved his lifeline up so

640
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 5: he wouldn't keep banging on the stand, and he's like

641
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 5: doing three sixties up there right, and I bring my

642
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 5: binos up and I see this great big time and

643
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 5: I go, dude, you got to get your shit together

644
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 5: because this buck's coming now.

645
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 4: And he's right there, and so I have.

646
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 5: A beautiful little lane right in front of me where

647
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 5: I mean, the reason I set up for it is

648
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 5: like a twenty yard shot. They go through this pinch

649
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 5: point where this low land meets the river, so there's

650
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 5: like one little high spine they cross, otherwise they're waiting

651
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 5: a swamp.

652
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 4: It's like it's money right.

653
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 5: Well, that deer starts walking up and I'm like, man,

654
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 5: I should shoot him in my first big window because

655
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 5: it's low enough light where I'm like, if he gets

656
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 5: into these other smaller ones, I'm like, I might clip

657
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 5: something that I can't see or whatever, you know.

658
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 4: And so he walks in and I don't stop him

659
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 4: or anything. I shoot here it hit and.

660
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 5: He runs about twenty yards and stops, but he stops

661
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 5: like not very far away, and I'm just like, you

662
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 5: can you'll see it on the film. I'm kind of like, uh,

663
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 5: just reach and grab another arrow. Like I didn't. I

664
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 5: thought he would be gone, you know, So it like

665
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 5: took me a second to catch up to the moment.

666
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 5: I'm like, I better get another one in him because

667
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 5: I know I hit him pretty good. So I grab

668
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 5: an arrow, put the you know, put my pint on him.

669
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 5: Shoot arrow, cracks into him. He runs twenty yards to

670
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 5: my left and stops. So then I'm like, okay, grab

671
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 5: another arrow. And I had to lean out because I

672
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 5: could only see like two thirds of his body, so

673
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 5: I had to lean out to get you know, get

674
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 5: a little closer to the shoulder.

675
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 4: I lean out and shoot My arrow.

676
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 5: Goes right underneath him, and so I range him and

677
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, he's farther than I thought. I was

678
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 5: just guessing twenty because I was in total panic mode.

679
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 5: So I dial in, lean out, shoot the fourth arrow,

680
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 5: and that ro oh my gosh. So I shot him

681
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 5: three times and I missed on the third shots. I

682
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 5: shot four. That arrow looks like it's good. Every one

683
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 5: of them had looked like it was good.

684
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 4: Hits.

685
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 5: He runs off, and I was just like it was

686
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 5: like the whole thing happened within like four or five

687
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 5: minutes after I climbed into stand and so we have

688
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 5: this whole week, we have like a full week to hunt,

689
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 5: and I'm like, I just killed a deer. And then

690
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 5: so the second guessing started to come in. I was like,

691
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 5: you know, what if he's not that big? Like my

692
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 5: initial impression was he was big. But then I'm like,

693
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 5: what if I shot like a scrapper the right of way?

694
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 5: And then I'm like what if I don't get him?

695
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 5: And I shot four times at him like kind of.

696
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 4: You know how it is.

697
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 5: You're like, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get down

698
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 5: yet because I don't want to blow this spot out.

699
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 5: I don't you know know. So we're trying to look

700
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 5: at the footage and it's like I can't tell on

701
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 5: the little screen and I'm like, you know, we have

702
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 5: another little buck come through, and then we have some

703
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 5: doze and I'm like, let's just ride this out, give

704
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 5: it a couple hours, get down and you know, go

705
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 5: find the first arrow.

706
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 4: It's broke off and covered in blood. Well it's a

707
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 4: good sign.

708
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 5: Find where he stopped and I shot him the second time,

709
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 5: found another arrow covered in blood. So after the second arrow,

710
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 5: walk over to where the third and the four shot happens.

711
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 5: Find my third arrow that I miss clean with and

712
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 5: I just like, look down the blood trail, or look

713
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 5: down where this deer traveled, and I'm like, I can

714
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 5: see blood like sprayed all over.

715
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 4: I can see part of a lung.

716
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 5: I'm like, Okay, this dude's you know, this dude's in trouble,

717
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 5: right walk down little ways. I mean we're only I

718
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 5: don't know, sixty seventy yards from the stand and he's

719
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 5: laying there on the river bank. Awesome buck, like the

720
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 5: same buck that literally, this never happens to me, you know,

721
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 5: because I don't get to run trail cameras and kind

722
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 5: of do a lot of setup work like this hunt specifically,

723
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 5: you know. And that buck that I killed super unique.

724
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 5: I actually watched that buck. It was the first deer

725
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 5: that I ever saw on this ranch. I watched him

726
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 5: stand up out of his bed on July fourth weekend

727
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 5: when I was in hanging camera us and I was like,

728
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 5: that is a giant deer.

729
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 4: Walked back in.

730
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 5: There, hung a camera, got a picture of him. He

731
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 5: was the first year I got a picture of And

732
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 5: so that buck had been he'd been like consistent then inconsistent,

733
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 5: then consistent, and then inconsistent where he was there and

734
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 5: then he disappeared for like three weeks. But leading up

735
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 5: to the hunt, that was the buck we talked about, Right,

736
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 5: he's just bigger than everybody else, and he seems pretty

737
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 5: pretty much like a resident. So Pat and Steve are like,

738
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 5: we're going to hold out for that you know, split

739
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 5: browtime buck. And I was like, literally driving down there,

740
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 5: I'm like, guys, I haven't had a picture of that

741
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 5: year in three weeks. And he was there, I mean

742
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 5: obviously showed up like four or five minutes into my

743
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 5: sit killed him the biggest deer there.

744
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 4: And it was great because I.

745
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 5: Mean, not only you know, like you know how it is,

746
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 5: getting one on film right away is like a it's

747
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 5: like a blessing, right, But also then those guys were like,

748
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 5: now they're not holding out for that deer because I'm like,

749
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 5: you're not going to get that many chances here, you know,

750
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 5: it's like a low density thing. So that was like

751
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 5: a like the pressure was kind of off, but you know,

752
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 5: I still had to get Pat and Steve on deer.

753
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 5: And so Pat, you know, he sits all day the

754
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 5: first day, never sees a deer in this blind that

755
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 5: had just turned on like there was the trail cameras

756
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 5: showed a lot of activity, but I think they must

757
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 5: have known they were in there or something. Anyway, you know, whatever,

758
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 5: he blanks all day, Steve traps, goes out, sits a

759
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 5: little bit. The next day, I put Steve in a

760
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 5: natural blind on this place that just had like a

761
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 5: I found a scrape in there in August, a bunch

762
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 5: of old sign And then I put Pat in this

763
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 5: crossing where they kind of just go through this swampy part.

764
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 5: Steve has a pretty good one walk up on him,

765
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 5: gets busted. He's pissed about that, but that deer runs

766
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 5: off and goes down the next pinch point, which is

767
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 5: where Pat is. Pat smokes him. So we have a

768
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 5: seventy five yard blood trail there. And then we're two

769
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 5: days in. We've got two dead bucks. And Pat's buck

770
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 5: was great, like a great deer. So then I'm just like,

771
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 5: and now it's just Steve, right, we have Steve left

772
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 5: to fill his tag. But Steve's been trapping, and every

773
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 5: day he's leaving his stand or is blind to go

774
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 5: run that trap line. And you know, you know how

775
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 5: it is like, you know me right, Like I'm pretty

776
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 5: keyed up a lot of times. I'm like, let's get

777
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 5: out there, get this done, like next, next, next, And

778
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 5: Steve's like gonna tell you all about the trap line

779
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 5: and the badgery caught, and you're like, dude, it's freaking

780
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 5: November fifth, November sixth, whatever. But anyway, so Steve. I

781
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 5: put Steve in a couple spots, you know, for the

782
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 5: wind whatever. On day three does not go well, He's

783
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 5: he's getting Steve feisty, right, I'm like, just gotta we

784
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 5: gotta get you down the river. It'll happen. Day four,

785
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 5: I put him in this stand. They just had this

786
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 5: really cool pinch point on it. You know, it's a

787
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 5: river place, so you have good wind blowing out over

788
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 5: the river the whole thing. And like an hour into

789
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 5: the hunt, just like just like it's supposed to write

790
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 5: through that pinch point, here comes a nice buck fifteen yards.

791
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 4: Steve smokes it.

792
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,959
Speaker 5: I'm like, four days in, we have three good dead

793
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 5: bucks and we've hardly seen a deer, you know.

794
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 4: What i mean.

795
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 5: It wasn't like the kind of hunt where you're like, oh,

796
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 5: they're chasing here, they're chasing there or whatever, Like it's

797
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 5: literally like you're not gonna see one, and then when

798
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 5: you see one, it's probably gonna be a good one

799
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 5: and it's gonna come through.

800
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 4: And so it was. It was a very successful hunt.

801
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 4: Let me put it that way.

802
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: I got a question for you real quick. How does

803
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: Steve handle you putting him places by that? I mean,

804
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: does he just say, hey, Tony, worship hunt? Or is

805
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: he going to argue with you about it? Because I

806
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, Steve likes to have opinions on things.

807
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: Has he given you opinions? It's been a while since

808
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: I've white tail hunted with him, so I'm just curious

809
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: how does he take your suggestions these days?

810
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 5: Steve is a He's an interesting guy to guys. He's

811
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 5: actually very willing to sort of accept like hey, I'd

812
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 5: go here or i'd sit here, or don't do this

813
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 5: or don't do that. He's always looking for something else,

814
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 5: like should it be rattling?

815
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 4: Should it be?

816
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 3: Like?

817
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 5: He's always looking for something because he's got that Western

818
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 5: impatience kind of where he's like, I gotta make something happen.

819
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 4: And he's really good until.

820
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 5: It's not going well, and then he starts to question

821
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 5: you and start to needle you a little bit, like

822
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 5: do the Steve thing like the sunshine, and then that's blind.

823
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 5: It's terrible, Like I don't like, what do you want

824
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 5: me to do, buddy? Like I have to set it

825
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,959
Speaker 5: up for certain wins. I have to do certain things.

826
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 5: So on the third day he got a little spicy,

827
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 5: but I ended up just telling him, hey, go trap

828
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 5: some skunks, and I left him alone for a while.

829
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm not going to.

830
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 5: Talk to you. And then the next day he killed

831
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 5: his buck. So it's an interesting dynamic guiding Steve.

832
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 4: Most it's mostly.

833
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 5: Good, but you can feel where it's about to break bad,

834
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 5: and you're like, I got to head that off because

835
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 5: that could get ugly.

836
00:42:52,719 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, I got a question.

837
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 3: Is this like an official trip that's going that has

838
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: been recorded and like Buck walks out, cameraman's not ready

839
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: tough shit for Tony type of type of hunt.

840
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was.

841
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 5: We filmed it for a meat Eater episode, and it

842
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 5: was a big ask because you know, three hunters, bow hunters,

843
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 5: three camera guys, and you know, we had three guys

844
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 5: who have pretty limited experience in tree stands. And because

845
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 5: of the you know, you guys have been to the

846
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 5: sand Hills and you've kind of been to this area.

847
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 5: It's like you don't have a lot of trees to

848
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 5: work with. You sure don't have a lot of trees

849
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 5: where you can put two people in them. So it's

850
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 5: a lot of ground blind stuff. And it was just

851
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 5: like a tough hunt, but yeah, it was. It was

852
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 5: the kind of deal where, you know, if that buck

853
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 5: that I killed had you know, come in five minutes earlier,

854
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 5: we'd have to let him go, you know, or if

855
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 5: he would have been if just like if the camera

856
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 5: guy hadn't been ready, which is probably a more likely

857
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 5: thing to happen, where it's just.

858
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 4: Like you're getting there and he's just setting up.

859
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 5: Then you you know, you gotta let that deer go

860
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 5: and that happens, you know, I mean, Mark, you know

861
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 5: this when you when you film, like filming costs you deer.

862
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 5: It just does just like a different kind of stress, right,

863
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 5: Like we put pressure on ourselves to kill big Bucks

864
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 5: and like kind of represent the brand and all that stuff.

865
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 4: But like that kind of hunt where you have a

866
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 4: meat eater.

867
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 5: Episode sort of hinging on your calls and you're setup

868
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 5: and like do this, don't do this. It is a

869
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 5: weird It is a hard to describe, and I don't

870
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 5: want to bitch about it because I don't want people

871
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 5: to be like, oh my god, you think your job's

872
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 5: hard or whatever, like I don't.

873
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 4: I don't want that.

874
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 5: It's just a different level of stress guiding Steve Vanella

875
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 5: to a deer and setting up a whole meat eater

876
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 5: shoot like that.

877
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 2: I think it's the exact complete opposite of the freeing

878
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: sensation that Dan described earlier when he said that he

879
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: didn't care about any other people and all that stuff

880
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: and he could just hunt free. You were experiencing is

881
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: the exact opposite emotional state. So give us the give

882
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 2: us the quick rundown of Wisconsin. You're back on your own.

883
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: You're not filming. This is just a Tony for Tony hunt.

884
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: And that was tough until it wasn't.

885
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I mean that That's part of the reason

886
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 5: that I went right from Nebraska to Wisconsin, no cameraman,

887
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 5: no kids, just like I'm like, I'm gonna go hunt

888
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 5: for five days, do dark to dark, sits hunt whatever,

889
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 5: we'll walk by. And it was very tough until it wasn't.

890
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 5: I mean, I blanked for almost four full days, which is.

891
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 4: I shouldn't say it's like uncommon over there.

892
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 5: I mean a lot of times if I go sit

893
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 5: over there, I won't see a deer all day, or

894
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 5: I might string together a couple of them.

895
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 4: So but during the rut, you.

896
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: Know, I was.

897
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 5: I got over there on like November eleventh or tenth

898
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 5: or whatever. You would think just by sheer chance a

899
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 5: four ky or somebody would come swinging through at some point.

900
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 4: They just didn't.

901
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 5: But I started thinking about it, and this won't be

902
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 5: that quick of a rundown, So sorry, Mark, but I

903
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 5: got to it's there's a lot of lessons in this hunt.

904
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 5: I started thinking about it, and I had dropped off

905
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 5: a couple cameras right when I got there, and i'd

906
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 5: found this scrape earlier when I was hunting with one

907
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 5: of my daughters, and it was in a place where

908
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 5: I was like, this just this is like a curiosity

909
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 5: to me. You know, you kind of go over and

910
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 5: you hunt a place, you bend do a lot, and

911
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 5: you're like, I'm hunting off memories and usually they use

912
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 5: the swamp this way and whatever else. So I hung

913
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 5: this camera and I'm like, man, it's pretty active. And

914
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 5: not only that, I had another camera not too far

915
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 5: away on this crossing between these two you know, lowland

916
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 5: spots in the swamp, but a weight away from the

917
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 5: main swamp, and I kept getting coyotes, like coyotes in

918
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 5: the day, multiple coyote pictures when you kind of just

919
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 5: don't expect it. And in fact, the night before I

920
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 5: saw a coyote come out there at four o'clock and

921
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 5: I was like, why why are the deer here in

922
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 5: this spot where historically I just wouldn't even con and

923
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 5: why are there Like why is there so much coyote

924
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 5: activity out here? So I started thinking about it, and

925
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 5: there were two things that came to mind. Uh, we

926
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 5: we have a farmer up there around us who's taken

927
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 5: out so much woods and planted crops in places that

928
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 5: they're just like historically wasn't. And one of those places

929
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 5: was a standing cornfield still and it was like I

930
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 5: measured it on a X, it was it was eight

931
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 5: hundred yards from where I was hunting. So I'm like,

932
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 5: they got across the highway, they got to go between

933
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,479
Speaker 5: some houses, Like is that the thing?

934
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 3: Like?

935
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 5: Is that keeping them there? But the other thing was

936
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 5: I took my daughter down there in October, and uh,

937
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 5: we heard a pack of wolves light up in the swamp.

938
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 5: And we have we have wolves right like, you'll get

939
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 5: pictures of them sometimes we'll see them grouse hunting or

940
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 5: you know, fine tracks in the winter or whatever. But

941
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 5: it's not like you're never like we have a constant

942
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 5: presence of wolves right here, you know, like there's like

943
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 5: it's like a different thing. But hearing a whole pack

944
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 5: light up in the swamp when we were blanking again

945
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 5: for like four days, I was like, okay, So I

946
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 5: started to put this together. I'm like, maybe those wolves

947
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 5: push those deer out and those coyotes out, and they're

948
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 5: all kind of hanging closer to civilization, closer to houses,

949
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 5: closer to the highway. And so I just on a whim,

950
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 5: took a stand into a place where I was like,

951
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 5: I had such low confidence. I didn't even bring my pack,

952
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 5: I didn't have my camera gear. I didn't even have

953
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 5: a deer call with me. But I put the decoy

954
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 5: out because it should be visible set up, and I'm

955
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 5: sitting there and you know, keep in mind, I am

956
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 5: almost four full all day sits deep on this hunt,

957
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 5: and I haven't laid eyes on a deer yet. And

958
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 5: I hear something and I look to my right in

959
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 5: this kind of swampy patch of you know, brush and whatever,

960
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 5: like really good kind of betting looking stuff, but it's everywhere,

961
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 5: and I see this buck running and he's like a

962
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 5: one forty which over there is like a giant deer

963
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 5: right like you just I was like, oh my god,

964
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 5: holy shit, like and the wind was blowing like thirty

965
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 5: miles an hour, so it was like I did everything

966
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 5: I could to get that buck's attention. He was chasing

967
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 5: a dough I'm I was screaming. I was like me, me,

968
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 5: like look over here at this decoy, you know, and

969
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 5: he was mouth open chasing all day. Like you could

970
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 5: tell he was not gonna look like. There was nothing

971
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 5: I was gonna do that was gonna get that buck

972
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 5: to look over at me. Doe runs through the tree line,

973
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 5: crosses the highway and I can hear cars coming and

974
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm gonna hear this bucket hit. And he

975
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 5: kind of weaves his way around and then makes it

976
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 5: through the tree line. Gone out of my life, you know.

977
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 5: They crossed that highway you're like, they're not coming back, right.

978
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 5: But I was like, I can't believe that I had

979
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 5: that encounter. And almost instantly I looked up and on

980
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 5: my side of this like waterway, here's a buck standing

981
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 5: there and he's like a ninety inch two year old,

982
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 5: which I will shoot all day over there, and I'm like,

983
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 5: this dude's here with me, and he's gonna look over

984
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 5: see this decoy. It's gonna be over because he was

985
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 5: like two hundred yards away, this freaking deer. I would

986
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 5: call to him and he would look over like eighty

987
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 5: five percent of the field and he wouldn't turn his

988
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 5: head to the left and look at my decoy. So

989
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 5: he would stand there and I'd go me, and he

990
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 5: would look pick his hat up and look over the

991
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 5: whole field except that part. I'm like, just look over here, asshole,

992
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,959
Speaker 5: Like right here, there's a dough. And finally he walked

993
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 5: straight away from me and disappeared. And I'm like, I

994
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 5: cannot believe I couldn't get that dear to see this

995
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 5: decoy because I'm just like, if he sees it, he's

996
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 5: coming right.

997
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 4: So he disappears.

998
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh my god, Like I had two cool encounters,

999
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 5: they're gone whatever, sitting there. Like two minutes later, I

1000
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 5: look up that buck walks back out and I'm like,

1001
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 5: I'm giving him everything. I'm like me, and he won't look,

1002
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 5: and he's like looking across the field, and so I

1003
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 5: glassed him. And then I just turned to my left

1004
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 5: and here's this buck standing like one hundred and twenty

1005
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 5: five yards away another like a good one, and I'm like,

1006
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 5: holy shit, there must be like a hot that must

1007
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 5: be like the hot dough. Right, So I switch my

1008
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 5: attention to that buck because he's in play. If he

1009
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 5: just takes a right, he's he's going to see that decoy.

1010
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,479
Speaker 5: So I snort whe he's at him. He looks over,

1011
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 5: looks back at that other buck. Snortweez again, and it's

1012
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 5: like this thing where he's like, do I go fight

1013
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 5: that guy? Do I go over there? And you can

1014
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 5: see in his head like he knows where he wants

1015
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 5: to go. He wants to go cross that highway, and dude,

1016
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 5: I threw every call I could at him, and he

1017
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 5: started to walk out, and I looked and that smaller

1018
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 5: buck walked up to him and they squared up, and

1019
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 5: he did the whole sideways kind of side eye crab

1020
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 5: walk thing, you know, like they were gonna fight. That

1021
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 5: littler buck takes off and I'm like, okay, start grunning,

1022
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 5: I start bleeding, and that buck takes an interest, but

1023
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 5: he's like I'm gonna just cross this field and not

1024
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 5: coming over there.

1025
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 4: So he walks way out.

1026
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 5: I'm like, he's out of my life, but I have

1027
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 5: nothing to lose, right, so I keep calling. He finally

1028
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 5: stops and he just turns like ninety degrees to the

1029
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 5: right and starts walking, and so like I'm like, now

1030
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 5: he's in the right direction, but he's still going to

1031
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 5: pass by one hundred yards.

1032
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 4: Away, and so I just I keep hitting him.

1033
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 5: I've never in my life called to a deer that much,

1034
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 5: cause he was like you could just see He's like

1035
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 5: I don't want to.

1036
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 4: I don't want to. I don't care what you say.

1037
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 5: And I'm like get over here, like get your ass

1038
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 5: over here, buddy, And he finally got straight in front

1039
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 5: of my decoy, but like one hundred yards out, and

1040
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 5: he took another ninety degree turn and started walking in.

1041
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 5: I'm like, I called this buck in like a square,

1042
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 5: like it was crazy, and he walks up and I'm like,

1043
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 5: oh my god, like I thought he was. I thought

1044
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 5: he was like one hundred and ten inches. I didn't

1045
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 5: know he was like a one thirty Like I didn't

1046
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 5: he was. He was way big for over there, and

1047
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 5: I kind of stopped paying attention to what he was.

1048
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 5: That dude comes in and I'm like, should I shoot

1049
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 5: him at forty cause he's like kind of squared up,

1050
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 5: But I'm like, I don't like taking forty yard shots

1051
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 5: at white tails anymore. I'm like, I want twenty yards,

1052
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 5: so I'm like, I'm not gonna do it super windy,

1053
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 5: blown around on that tree, and he just does it

1054
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 5: perfect where he squares up again and swings all the

1055
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 5: way around like they're supposed to, and you could tell

1056
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 5: he's like, I don't know if I'm gonna fight or

1057
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 5: this is a doe, Like I don't know what's going on.

1058
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 5: But he walked into twenty yards and I just I

1059
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 5: shot him really well, ran fifty yards and tipped over

1060
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 5: and it was one of the cool like literally one

1061
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 5: of the coolest encounters I've ever had. And I've been

1062
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 5: hunting that area since two thousand and eight and I

1063
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 5: have never gotten a shot at a pope and young buck,

1064
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 5: and I've spent more time there than anywhere. It's like

1065
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 5: it was like the most like vindicating, like satisfying kill

1066
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 5: that I've had in a long time.

1067
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 2: That's nuts loves. So, uh, where does that rank, like

1068
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: with all of the bucks that you've killed. I mean,

1069
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 2: it's not the biggest buck you've ever killed, but is

1070
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 2: that maybe one of your most hard earned or appreciated

1071
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: of all time?

1072
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 4: That deer is one of my favorites for sure, I have.

1073
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 5: I don't other than maybe some of the first bigger

1074
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 5: bucks I killed when I was younger, I don't know

1075
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 5: if I've ever earned one more like I literally when

1076
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 5: I tell people, you know, like a couple of years ago,

1077
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 5: it took me twenty one days over there to see

1078
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 5: a dough like I almost never see deer there, and

1079
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 5: so to kill a buck like that that way after

1080
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 5: so long, was it was like I rediscovered you know,

1081
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 5: like there's just certain things that happen in your life

1082
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 5: where you're like, I want to kill a buck here

1083
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 5: at the you know, the the family land, or I

1084
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 5: want to kill one at like you you know, you

1085
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 5: travel somewhere and you're like that that thing gets its

1086
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 5: hooks in you and you're like, I got to get

1087
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 5: one here, and for whatever reason, it's like your nemesis spot.

1088
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 5: This place had had my number, yeah for so long,

1089
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 5: So yeah it was I ranked that one way up there, buddy.

1090
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 2: Well, I think like the story of our three different

1091
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: rutcations are really interesting illustrations of maybe like the whole

1092
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: theme of this conversation, which has been like this idea

1093
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 2: of like success is going to be different for everyone

1094
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 2: and maybe different different parts of their life or in

1095
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: different weeks of their life, even right. I mean, like

1096
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: your hunt there in uh, Wisconsin wasn't because it was

1097
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 2: like so hard earned, like years and years and years

1098
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 2: and years and years and you finally kill a good buck.

1099
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: Dan's was hard earned but also fun because it was

1100
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: kind of like this this culmination of like just hunting

1101
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 2: for the fun of it and shooting a deer that

1102
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 2: made him happy in the moment and not worrying about

1103
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: all this other stuff. My rut cation was really really

1104
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: satisfying because I went into it kind of similar to

1105
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 2: Dan and that I was like, you know what, the

1106
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: most important thing for me on this trip is actually

1107
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 2: like the friends I'm with and like just having fun

1108
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 2: and doing stupid stuff and hunting things that I wouldn't

1109
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 2: hunt in the past because I thought I had to

1110
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: be tough, macho guy. And instead this time I just

1111
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 2: did the fun thing to enjoy the full experience with

1112
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: the guys and had so much fun. And whether the

1113
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: buck I killed was one twenty or one sixty, I

1114
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 2: would have been just as happy because of the laughs

1115
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: along the way and like getting to share it with

1116
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 2: my buddies. And all of us had these different things happen,

1117
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 2: but we all left our rut trips very satisfied, very happy,

1118
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 2: having great hunts, even though they were completely different. And

1119
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: I think that's a pretty cool thing, Tony. I'm going

1120
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 2: to give each of you guys like a set of

1121
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: like rapid fire questions here to wrap this up. Just

1122
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 2: kind of want to tie a bow on some things,

1123
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,439
Speaker 2: so so kind of quick succinct. First thing that comes

1124
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 2: to mind here, but what is the biggest learn sorry,

1125
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 2: the biggest lesson you learn, the greatest lesson you learn

1126
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 2: from this year's rut so far? Like one quick thing.

1127
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 4: Ah too, It's a lesson we all learn over and over.

1128
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 5: But to not hunt off of memories, to just take

1129
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 5: what they give you and work with that instead of

1130
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 5: being like, I'm going to force this old program.

1131
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: What is one thing you wished you did differently, If

1132
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 2: there's anything you could have changed about the last two weeks,

1133
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: what would that have been?

1134
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 5: You know, it just ties into my last answer, right, Like,

1135
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 5: I just wish I would have adapted earlier instead of

1136
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 5: just like trying to make something work that wasn't working.

1137
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 5: Like I just I thought I could out I thought

1138
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 5: I could wait them out right and just be super patient.

1139
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 4: And it's like it's a low deer density thing. You

1140
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 4: got to go find them.

1141
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 5: And so I wish I had just like accepted my

1142
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 5: fate earlier and went looking.

1143
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, but thinkingnes see did finally pivot? Uh, And then

1144
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 2: what is one thing you're really glad you did do?

1145
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 4: Man? I know so full. Here's a disclaimer.

1146
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 5: We own Dave Smith Decoy's right, Like I get it.

1147
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 3: Uh.

1148
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 5: Using that dough decoy and plugging a Doe decoy into

1149
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 5: my strategy has changed everything for me. Like two years

1150
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 5: ago we started using it. My daughter killed one, I

1151
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 5: killed one, brought it home and started working. I think

1152
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 5: I think we've killed five bucks off of it in

1153
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 5: the last couple of seasons and it and it really

1154
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 5: has opened my eyes to different types of setups where

1155
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 5: I can sort of play it a little more safer

1156
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 5: and try to get them to work in exactly how

1157
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 5: I want them to. And it's like the with the

1158
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 5: right buck and that decoy, it is like hunting on

1159
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 5: a cheat code. Man, it is just different and it's

1160
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 5: and it's fun. So I'm like, I think, I think

1161
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 5: that's the thing I've been most excited about, Like leaning

1162
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 5: into is like how do you how do you plug

1163
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 5: this decoy into these different situations because man, the right

1164
00:57:58,480 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 5: buck lays eyes on it and it is.

1165
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta try it. I tried a dough decoy

1166
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: for the first time a couple of weeks ago in Iowa.

1167
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 2: I didn't have a DSD with me though at DSD dough,

1168
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 2: so I just used kind of a you know, cheap

1169
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: plastic one that was okay, but I could see the

1170
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: utility and so I want to try that someday. Okay, Dan,

1171
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 2: the greatest lesson you learned on this raccasion?

1172
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 3: Who this was a year of just doing it. I

1173
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 3: don't know if there's a lesson. There's not really a

1174
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 3: lesson there I mean I could, I could say don't

1175
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: ever give up, because then I went back out and

1176
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 3: I shot a deer the next night. But I've done

1177
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 3: that before. I'm just like, the lesson is is that

1178
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 3: this season comes by, comes so quick and it's over

1179
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 3: so quick, and it's just like now I've tagged, you know,

1180
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 3: I did my mule, my annual mule deer hunt archery season.

1181
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 3: My tag is punched, and it's over, right, like my

1182
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 3: I checked the box, I punched the tag. Yeah, I

1183
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 3: could go out and maybe try to shoot another dough.

1184
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 3: I'll probably go out for a firearm season. But as

1185
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 3: far as bow hunting for bucks in Iowa, dude, it's

1186
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 3: over for me. And it's just the lesson there is

1187
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 3: to just stop for just a moment and just be

1188
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 3: thankful that you're in a tree stand because someday you're

1189
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 3: not going to be. I don't know, you know that.

1190
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: Was It's funny you mentioned that because I remember being

1191
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 2: in the tree one day in Iowa and thinking to myself,

1192
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 2: you just need to stop a second and stop obsessing

1193
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,919
Speaker 2: over like constantly scanning, constantly searching, constantly thinking about what's

1194
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 2: the wind, where should I go next? What should I do, next,

1195
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: where's the deer looking this way? That way? This way?

1196
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 4: That way?

1197
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 2: Is like just stop and close your eyes and like

1198
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 2: take a deep breath and listen, like listen to the leaves,

1199
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 2: listen to the wind. Just take a second and look

1200
00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 2: at it all and just look at the scenery, like

1201
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 2: I don't think about the deer, just like take in

1202
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: the moment. And I tried to do that a few times,

1203
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: just like reminding myself to just soak in the setting

1204
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 2: and the place and that that day rather than thinking

1205
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 2: all the time about you know, the actual hunting side.

1206
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 2: And that was really nice to do.

1207
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 4: There was a couple moments like you're your search for

1208
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 4: these they're the.

1209
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 3: Moment of clarity where I wasn't on my phone, it

1210
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 3: was tucked in a pocket, and I wasn't thinking about anything.

1211
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 3: I was just there. Yeah, And those are the moments

1212
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 3: that like for five minutes, there was no stress, My

1213
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 3: blood pressure was low, Like it was just an amazing

1214
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 3: it was just amazing to be out in doing what

1215
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:46,959
Speaker 3: we were doing.

1216
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 2: That's the good stuff right there. Yeah, all right, one

1217
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 2: thing you wish you did different, one thing you're glad

1218
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 2: you did.

1219
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 3: Okay, the one big, big This is big because I

1220
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 3: think it's going to alter my trajectory on how I

1221
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 3: hunt my Iowa farms moving forward. And I probably, like

1222
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 3: I say this, it's gonna be hard to do. I

1223
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 3: say it now, but I truly don't think I'm even

1224
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 3: gonna start hunting until November fifth or sixth next year.

1225
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 3: Well as far as as far as rut is concerned,

1226
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 3: I have had two. I've spent too much time sitting

1227
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 3: in these pre rut type conditions where you're just hoping

1228
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 3: a big dog steps up into some kind of staging

1229
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 3: area or thicket when the dough groups are not ready yet,

1230
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 3: and so I feel like I would rather put more

1231
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 3: time into this. I don't know when this is going

1232
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 3: to launch, but we're recording this on November seventeenth. I

1233
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 3: would rather go from November seventh November seventeenth than from

1234
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 3: November first to the eighth or something like that, right,

1235
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 3: I would go the second and third week. And I

1236
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 3: think I'm gonna I'm gonna try to force myself like

1237
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 3: I even left a note in my phone on November

1238
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 3: one next year that says, don't start hunting yet, and

1239
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 3: maybe I got a year on camera and some things

1240
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 3: like that. But I just feel like I spent way

1241
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 3: too much time hunting iffy type conditions when if I

1242
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 3: would have waited an extra week, it would have just

1243
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 3: been prime time.

1244
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 2: Very interesting. That's a that's a hot take, Dan, Yep,

1245
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 2: that's a hot take. One thing that you're glad that

1246
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 2: you did do.

1247
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 4: I'm glad I kind of stayed put. Man. I had

1248
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 4: a lot of encounters on.

1249
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 3: The fourth, fifth, sixth time hunting a tree stand, and

1250
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 3: I feel like the thing that I'm glad I did

1251
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 3: is I'm glad I kind of slowed down and just

1252
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 3: sat good, good, good good my best tree stands. And

1253
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 3: I just cycled through really four tree stands the entire one, two, three, four. Yep,

1254
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 3: I only sat in four different tree stands this entire year,

1255
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 3: and so well four on one property. And I'm glad

1256
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 3: I toughed it out and I just rotated through the best,

1257
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 3: the best possible stand locations.

1258
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 2: I feel like that's something that I'm I've been dabbling

1259
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 2: more and more with.

1260
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 4: You know.

1261
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of us start and want

1262
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 2: to hunt like the same spots a lot, and we

1263
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 2: do that too much and screw it up, and then

1264
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: we're all of a sudden we realize like, oh, yeah,

1265
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 2: being mobile is great. You should bunce around all the time.

1266
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 2: And new spot, new spot first it's the best sit

1267
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 2: and then you go too far that way sometimes yep.

1268
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 2: And I kind of feel like I'm kind of finding

1269
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 2: that middle ground where there's there's utility to both, but

1270
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 2: balancing it. Knowing when to move and when to stay

1271
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 2: is maybe more of an art than a science.

1272
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,919
Speaker 4: And yep, starting to figure that out.

1273
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 2: So very good, guys. I feel like we all had

1274
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 2: a heck of a start in November. Great first half

1275
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 2: of the month. I appreciate you guys sharing it with me,

1276
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 2: talking about it, breaking it down. Uh, that's all I got, gentlemen,

1277
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 2: So best luck the rest of the season. Congrats you

1278
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 2: two fellas, and congrats Tony. Really big big round of

1279
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 2: applause here for Tony though, because he really did knock

1280
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 2: it out of the park ten out of ten, achieved

1281
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: all of his goals. Piss shit smells like roses.

1282
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 3: So when are we going to get the book how

1283
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 3: to Hunt White Tails in the Rut coming out?

1284
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1285
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 5: What, don't don't ask me to rate it, Mark if

1286
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 5: you don't want the honest answer. If you want next

1287
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 5: time be like on a scale of two to four,

1288
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 5: tell me how.

1289
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 2: And on that note, everyone, thanks for being here, Thanks

1290
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 2: for tuning in. Until next time, stay wired to hunt

1291
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 3: Y