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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: You link up with the doctor Wilbur Allen through Coast

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Speaker 2: And it would be it would be wrong for me

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Speaker 2: to ask well to ignore this question, because this was

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Speaker 2: asked of the three panelists who spoke. Two of them were,

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Speaker 2: you know, relatively high ranking Navy officers, and then David

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Speaker 2: Grutch as well, who came out and talked about the

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Speaker 2: non human biologics and some of the other things that

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Speaker 2: he has seen and found very disturbing and felt like

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Speaker 2: the government wasn't being forthcoming enough about what it knows

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Speaker 2: already about UAPs. So I'll ask you the question that

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Speaker 2: was asked of them, Have you ever personally experienced career

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Speaker 2: setbacks or the kind of prejudice personally that we know

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Speaker 2: that has existed for other people who have come forward

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Speaker 2: and had these tried to have a sober conversation about UFOs.

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Speaker 3: I achieved the position of Air Force one Engineer or

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Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush, and you know H. W. Bush,

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Speaker 3: before becoming president, was headed the Central Intelligence Agency. So

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Speaker 3: for me, logically and in those positions that I held

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Speaker 3: for the for the duration of the time that I

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Speaker 3: did engineer Air Force One, I maintained silence. I did

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Speaker 3: not talk about my experiences as the child in which

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Speaker 3: extraterrestrials visited me. Both of my parents were SAC which

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Speaker 3: is Strategic Air Command, which is United States Air Force,

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Speaker 3: and they both dealt with nuclear weapons. And in the

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Speaker 3: cases that I experienced, the same biological entity would appear

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Speaker 3: in my room Star Trek style. It would beam in

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Speaker 3: and just stand there and look at me. And it

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Speaker 3: was absolutely abstract to me, especially as a child who's

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Speaker 3: never experienced extraterrestrials, to see this extraterrestrial entity manifest into

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Speaker 3: my room.

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't necessarily answer the question, so you stayed silent.

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Speaker 2: What happened when you started to speak out? Did you ever.

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Speaker 3: Experience start I didn't start speaking out until well after

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Speaker 3: my tenure on board Air Force One because I didn't

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Speaker 3: want to compromise my position, so I maintained silence. But

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Speaker 3: in speaking out, I never experienced any malice or prejudice

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Speaker 3: associated to the rear data that I presented to the public.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but then you'll have to agree there have been

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Speaker 2: plenty of people who are PhDs who are teaching in

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Speaker 2: mainstream universities who who would have had a different experience.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, But then you have to consider the technology that

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Speaker 3: I created was unlike anything anyone on this planet had utilized,

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Speaker 3: and for the purpose of application, I took existing technology

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Speaker 3: and augmented it for the application of scanning space.

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Speaker 2: David Fraverer, a former Navy commander, spoke in front of

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Speaker 2: Congress this week. He said that he and some other

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Speaker 2: military pilots spotted the famous TikTok sorry TAC.

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Speaker 3: Which is technological organism by the way, right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the very same tik tak he saw that

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Speaker 2: was not a craft, that was an organism.

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Speaker 3: Yes, my data clearly, Kates. I've got three thousand samples

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Speaker 3: of the tic TAC that it is specifically an organism.

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Speaker 3: What's interesting of the three thousand samples, I can only

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Speaker 3: match one, and the one that I matched was a

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Speaker 3: high energy tictack, which I would suggest to the United

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Speaker 3: States military not to engage because it is high energy

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Speaker 3: and it would definitely devastate the planet.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you don't think that there was a non

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Speaker 3: I could not ascertain that. What I could ascertain was

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Speaker 3: the fact that whatever these objects were, they had some

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Speaker 3: form of identity. Each TICTAC was uniform in terms of

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Speaker 3: its shape, but different in overall applications. When you start

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Speaker 3: to do a comparative analysis, it made it impossible for

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Speaker 2: The performance is pretty consistent in these tic TAC videos.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, they have warp capability if they left our fastest jets,

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Speaker 2: And that's what David Fraber was saying, and others were

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Speaker 2: agreeing that it went from mock zero to mock one

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Speaker 2: in like one second blink.

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Speaker 3: If you blinked your eye, you missed it. You didn't

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Speaker 3: see it, right.

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Speaker 2: So, so A, is it possible that this was some

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Speaker 2: purpose of this is if you had to extrapolate the data.

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Speaker 3: I believe that that the anomalies that I document it

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Speaker 3: were organisms, not drones. There were some kind of biological

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Speaker 3: entity in each of the files, which is interesting.

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Speaker 2: But let me challenge you before we go forward. I

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Speaker 2: don't know that we're just I say drone and you say,

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Speaker 2: oh no, that that's biological. I still think that that

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Speaker 2: could just be a whole new category of drone, right

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Speaker 2: that if we can get if if a drone is

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Speaker 2: it doesn't have a mind of its own, that it

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Speaker 2: follows the orders that it is given for surveillance or

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Speaker 2: for some other function, it's still a drone. It may

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Speaker 2: end up being its own category of drone. Uh, But

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Speaker 2: we've already flirted with that on this planet. Right, We've

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Speaker 2: already used dolphins as drones. We've already right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: we've already done a lot of different things as drones.

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Speaker 3: We did we did, in fact, to use dolphins as drones.

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Speaker 3: But what was interesting is these objects, the tic TACs,

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Speaker 3: were initially documented and encountered by the International Space Station

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Speaker 3: in space as they came in from outer space and

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Speaker 3: entered into our atmosphere. We have documentation of that. So

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Speaker 3: what we're talking about of that.

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Speaker 2: What do you think the what do you think the

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Speaker 2: purposes unknown?

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Speaker 3: Because each of the objects was, as I mentioned, was

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Speaker 3: very unique and very specific and whatever the objects were,

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Speaker 3: they were not terrestrial.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait, but not terrestrial. Again comes down to if

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Speaker 2: we had to have a purpose, right, if we had

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Speaker 2: to explain in some sort of broader sense what a

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Speaker 2: purpose is. Are we being surveiled? Is this and do

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Speaker 2: you suspect that this is some sort of you know,

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Speaker 2: an advanced search party that's going out to determine what

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Speaker 2: the defenses are? And how is it possible that these

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Speaker 2: UAPs that have encountered human beings have done so in

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Speaker 2: such a non combative manner where it was just kind

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Speaker 2: kind of almost sort of a fun and games or

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Speaker 3: They were not hostile wherever they are. And what was

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Speaker 3: interesting is it appeared in consistency, meaning I documented as mentioned,

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Speaker 3: three thousand files and then the three thousand files. There

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Speaker 3: is a uniform consistent in terms of trajectories. The objects

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Speaker 2: Okay, now that would be for the tic TAC videos.

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Speaker 2: What's the next step up, what's the next class up

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Speaker 3: Will, the tubular spacecraft.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that you think those would have the non human biologics.

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Speaker 3: In it, The tubular spacecraft and the spacecraft that looked

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Speaker 3: like needles. There were objects that were documented by NASA

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Speaker 3: and the documentation in which NASA room and document it

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Speaker 3: is one hundred percent consistent with the objects of the

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Speaker 2: Okay, and what and he thought of what those what

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Speaker 2: that would be again, just further surveillanceknown.

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Speaker 3: Unknown, whatever they are, they would warp buy at warp velocity,

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Speaker 3: and my cameras were capable of detecting them clearly.

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Speaker 2: Okay, why would there be formations? What would be the

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Speaker 2: purpose based on.

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Speaker 3: Your known unknown? It was rather interesting that I was

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Speaker 3: documenting these objects. How and why I was able to

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Speaker 3: do that was based on the technology that I created.

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Speaker 3: But in terms of their overall mission and what they're

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Speaker 3: doing here, I could not answer that question.

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Speaker 2: Okay, because there's a lot of people who sort of

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Speaker 2: dismiss this still on the basis that and I encountered

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Speaker 2: some of them at deacon Punnet my my Twitter handle,

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Speaker 2: that there are some people that kind of go to

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Speaker 2: the videos and they say, well, you know, obviously they're

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Speaker 2: not advanced technology, or they wouldn't have been discovered, or

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Speaker 2: that they wouldn't have been brought down in a crash

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Speaker 2: landing that that that just would undermine any sort of

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Speaker 2: claim that these were interdimensional or that these were of

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Speaker 2: some sort of extraordinary origin, because how could you travel,

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Speaker 2: you know, millions of miles to come here and land

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Speaker 3: I believe, I believe most of the crafts that crashed

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Speaker 3: were intentionally ditched, and that that technology was specifically ditched

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Speaker 3: to give us the upper edge in technological advances.

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Speaker 2: You think they're playing favorites on Earth.

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Speaker 3: I believe they're playing favorites on Earth.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And you believe that we are the beneficiary of

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Speaker 2: we fabvis here.

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Speaker 3: We are the board. We've back assimilated that technology.

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Speaker 2: Okay, again, we're talking with Wilbur Allen about the UAP

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Speaker 2: congressional testimony. So we had three different people that spoke

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Speaker 2: to Congress, all of whom had some unique knowledge. The

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Speaker 2: the first to say I've never actually seen one, and

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Speaker 2: that's David Grutch. Did you watch the hearings.

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Speaker 3: I did not watch the hearings. I was too busy

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Speaker 3: preparing myself for this show. But what is interesting, though,

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Speaker 3: the military is coming forth with some data. They're withholding

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Speaker 3: a fault majority of the information in which they've gathered

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Speaker 3: their objects. As I mentioned in our atmosphere, that exists

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Speaker 3: in invisibility. So if they're invisible, we can't see them,

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Speaker 3: and they could come at any time in land and

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Speaker 3: they would be directly in front of us, and we

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Speaker 2: Okay, but then how do you know they exist?

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Speaker 3: My data is rather specific it did and document them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we can document what some sort of displacement.

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Speaker 2: We can document. What can your data.

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Speaker 3: Do that the military flear can do. Military Flear minds

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Speaker 3: you is six' ADP. My technology is four K and

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Speaker 3: full color, and it's a completely different application and a

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Speaker 3: scanning space. I took a fourteen inch conventional telescope and

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Speaker 3: converted it into a nine hundred millimeter F two lens

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Speaker 3: it's a lens, it's wide open, and it was able

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Speaker 3: to clearly detect and record these objects as they flew

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Speaker 3: by into a frame of perspective.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you've been serving an advisory capacity. You give

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Speaker 2: lots of good advice, you monitor, you research, but you

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Speaker 2: didn't have a chance to catch the specific congressional testimony

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Speaker 2: this week. Why now do you think?

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Speaker 3: I believe I believe they believe that the human population

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Speaker 3: is ready for it. Look at all the movies that

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Speaker 3: came out, all the aliens and all things that are presented.

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Speaker 3: It was indeed indoctrinating us for things to come.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to say, I mean, if one were

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Speaker 2: to go with that theory, though there's been a there's

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Speaker 2: been a pretty ample supply of films for years. I

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Speaker 2: do think that this betrays the government position that some

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Speaker 2: people presume that says that the reason why they retain

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Speaker 2: handle it. We're going to freak out as a public.

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Speaker 2: I think there's been sort of a collective yawn about it.

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Speaker 2: Don't I don't see anybody building new churches or doing

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Speaker 3: They've been they've been indoctrinated to it. In fact, the

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Speaker 3: sci fi films make it almost impossible to believe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which sci fi film do you think gets it

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Speaker 2: closest the thing?

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Speaker 3: John John Carpenters that really interesting. Yes, that's one one possibility,

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Speaker 3: But I don't watch that many movies that are associated

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Speaker 3: to UFOs, and in fact, there aren't that many movies

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